Teaching Kids to Identify Truth in a Culture of Deception | Elizabeth Urbanowicz - Ideas Have Consequences

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Elizabeth Urbanowicz (00:03):
and so, as we look at the whole of
scripture, there's so much thatscripture teaches about what it
means to be human, and it makessense of so many of these big
cultural issues that we'rewrestling with.
So I just want to really helpparents and grandparents and
church leaders and churchmembers and christian educators
just catch a bigger vision thatit's not just about teaching our

(00:27):
kids to behave right andteaching them Bible stories.
It's about teaching them toview all of life through the
lens of scripture, becausescripture speaks to all of life.

Luke Allen (00:47):
Hi friends, welcome to.
Ideas have Consequences.
The podcast of the DiscipleNations Alliance.
Here on this show we examinehow our mission as Christians is
to not only spread the gospelaround the world to all the
nations, but our mission alsoincludes to be the hands and
feet of God, to transform thenations to increasingly reflect
the truth, goodness and beautyof God's kingdom.

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Tragically, the church haslargely neglected this second
part of her mission and todaymost Christians have little
influence on their surroundingcultures.
Join us on this podcast as werediscover what it means for
each of us to disciple thenations and to create
Christ-honoring cultures thatreflect the character of the
living God Nations and to createChrist-honoring cultures that

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reflect the character of theliving God.

Scott Allen (01:32):
Well, welcome again everyone to another episode of
Ideas have Consequences.
This is the podcast of theDisciple Nations Alliance.
I'm Scott Allen, I'm thepresident here at the DNA and
joined by my two friends andteam members, luke Allen and Tim
Williams, from North Carolinaand Tim Williams from North
Carolina, and thrilled today tohave a very special guest with
us.

Elizabeth Urbanowicz.
Did I say that correctly?
Elizabeth, you did.
I'm really impressed.
That's not a name that rollsoff the tongue very easily.

That's a great name , urbanowicz.
I like that.
Yeah, elizabeth is one of thefounders of a wonderful ministry
called Foundation Worldview andwe're going to learn more about
that.
It's specifically focusing onbiblical worldview teaching and
training as it relates tochildren and their education,

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and she's got a lot to say.
She's got resources availableand we are excited to hear about
it.
Elizabeth, I want to just giveour listeners a little bit of a
background.
I'm going to read some thingsoff of the website there at the
foundationworldviewcom websitethat explain a little bit about
who you are and feel free tojust fill in some of the gaps or

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give us a little bit more onthis as well.
But it starts by saying hereElizabeth is a follower of Jesus
and she's passionate aboutequipping children or kids to
understand the truth of aChristian worldview.
She holds a bachelor's degreefrom Jordan College in
elementary education and Spanishand a master's degree from

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Northern Illinois University inliteracy education, as well as a
master's degree from NorthernIllinois University in Literacy
Education, as well as a master'sdegree in Christian apologetics
from a small little Christiancollege that some of you might
have heard of, biola Universityin Southern California.
She began her professionalcareer as an elementary school
teacher in a Christian school.
Several years into her teaching, elizabeth realized that,

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despite being raised inChristian homes and attending
Christian schools and beingactive in church, many of her
students thought more like theculture than like Christ, and
she began searching forcurricular materials that would
equip her students to thinkcritically, helping them to
understand Christianity as aworldview that lines up with
reality.

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And that led her into theministry that she is now
involved in with FoundationWorldview, which Elizabeth why,
don't you tell it?
let's just begin and I know,luke, you're going to lead off
with some questions here butjust tell us a little bit about,
besides yourself, about theministry.
What is it?
What kind of resources do youhave?

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And maybe a little bit moreabout that motivation.
I'm really intrigued by whatyou put here in your bio.

Luke Allen (04:14):
Yeah, and not to cut you off, Elizabeth, but you
were the founder of FoundationWorldview, is that correct?

That is correct.

Luke Allen (04:20):
Yeah, just to clarify that.
Yeah, okay, that's great.

Yeah, yeah .
So, as you read in my bio, Istarted out as a teacher in a
Christian school and now I runFoundation Worldview.
And our goal at FoundationWorldview is to provide
Christian parents, ministryleaders and Christian educators
with easy to implement resourcesto equip children under the age
of 12 to think critically andbiblically and to ultimately

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understand that the age of 12 tothink critically and biblically
and to ultimately understandthat the biblical worldview
lines up with reality in the waythat no other worldview does.
And we know that doing this cansometimes feel overwhelming or
complicated.
So our goal is to comealongside busy Christian adults
and, you know, just link armswith them and provide resources

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to do this.
And this really started in myclassroom.
I never set out to think, oh,I'm going to start a ministry, I
just loved my students and Isaw this gap in their
understanding and being able totranslate what they were
learning in Bible class or inSunday school or scripture
memory, and actually use that toevaluate just the countless

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ideas that were coming their wayevery day.
Because when you actually lookat the research, because of the
prevalence of technology, whichis not always a bad thing, we
are using technology right now.
You know, praise God to be ableto record from all different
parts of the country, butbecause of the prevalence of
technology, in one year of achild's life they're going to

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receive more competing ideas, orthey're going to be faced with
more competing ideas than mosthumans throughout history have
been faced with in their entirelives.
And so, while god is immutable,he never changes and his word
never changes, and it iscompletely true.
The way in which we need totrain children to carefully

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evaluate the ideas that cometheir way looks different today
than it did 20, 30, 40, 50 yearsago.
So I just set off on a journeyto try to train the students
that God had placed in my careto think critically and
biblically through every ideathey encountered, and all the
materials that I could find werecreated for high school or
college students or adults.
And I was so grateful thatthese resources existed because,

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you know, we do want our highschool and college students and
adults to be able to thinkcritically and biblically.
But I thought, wow, you know ifI'm seeing this issue with the
eight and nine year olds thatGod has placed in my classroom
and we wait until they're 15, 16, 17, 18 plus to train them in
this way.
We have lost so much ground andso when, I couldn't find any
resources like this forelementary students.

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What I did is I was like okay, Ibetter start reading some books
.
So I started reading books,started attending different
seminars and workshops and justcreated a class after school for
third through sixth graderswhere we looked at big questions
that every worldview has toanswer.
We looked at how doeschristianity answer them, how do
other competing worldviewsanswer them, what actually lines
up with what we find in theworld around us.

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And this part I can't takecredit for.
Like my students, they justtook that information and ran
with it like moms were callingme.
They were like okay, so my sonwants to pause family movie
night and evaluate thecharacter's worldview?
like I don't know how to do this, can you help me?
And then teachers from thefourth, fifth and sixth grade
were coming down and were likehow are you getting these kids

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in your after-school worldviewclass to think this deeply about
mathematics and literature andscience and history?
And I'm kind of like I don'tknow.
It's just like I just you know,giving few ideas, helping them
think, and they're applying itall over.
And so when people saw this injust really incredible
transformation in the kids thatwere in that class, I started
getting contact, like phonecontacts, from all over the
country saying we've heardwhat's going on, how can we get

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our hands on your materials?
And I was like I am a thirdgrade teacher, I am not a
Christian publishing house, likeI don't have anything for you.
You know, go out, read somebooks, I'm sure you'll be fine.
And everyone was just like nah,tell us when you have this
published.
And so that kept happening forseveral years.
And so it was.
At that point it became clearokay, this is a need.
You know that people all acrossthe country, and now even all
across the world, are feeling.

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So that's when I went back toBiola for that master's degree
in Christian apologetics andstarted Foundation Worldview so
that I could work full time.
And now you know a team of usare working full time on
providing these resources forparents and grandparents, and
church leaders and Christianeducators.

Wow, just on those resources, elizabeth, that's
wonderful.
I love that you put your fingeron a need, a gap, which was,
you know there's plenty ofcurriculum and even
organizations focused ontraining and biblical worldview,
biblical worldview thinking.
But there was a gap in yourexperience with younger people
and I'm so glad that you reallysaw that and stepped into that.

(09:01):
So you developed kind ofcurricular resources that are
available on the website.
But is it you mentioned it's akind of a after-school type of
thing, kind of a supplementalkind of a thing or how would you
describe that supplemental towhat kids are, or is it a full
curriculum that, like, a schoolcould use as part of their

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materials for study?

That's a good question.
So when I first startedteaching the comparative
worldview curriculum that I haddesigned, I taught it in an
after-school class, where now,at Foundation Worldview, we have
six curriculums out that are incomparative worldview studies,
biblical worldview studies,biblical literacy and then
biblical sexuality, and so thesematerials, they are

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supplemental in that we don'tcreate math curriculum, we don't
create history curriculum, wedon't create language arts
curriculum, but we createcurriculum that either families
or churches or schools canimplement once a week.
So you just set aside a halfhour to an hour once a week and
go through one of our lessons,and the lessons are all video
based, so all of the teaching isdone for you.

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There's just a few things youhave to print out that accompany
the video lessons, and so thegoal is really to make it as
easy and as streamlined aspossible.
And also, we know that a lot ofadults who are taking their kids
through these materials.
They have a passion for thisand they understand the
importance for this, but theymight never have been trained
this way themselves, and so ourgoal in having all video-based

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lessons is that, if the adultswho is going through this course
with the child has never beentrained in this way, that
they're getting the educationright alongside them.
Because I know for myself as ateacher, when there were areas
in education that I had notreceived proper education in, it
was so scary for me to teachthose subjects and I always save
them for the end of the day andkind of hoped maybe we'd run

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out of time for them, because Iknew like, for example, spelling
.
I'm a terrible speller.
I grew up in the whole languageera, which is kind of the
philosophy of like kids don'tneed phonics, you know.
Like kids don't need to learnhow to actually read, just like
put them in a text richenvironment and they'll figure
it out.
Well, some kids figured it out.
I didn't, and so I neveractually learned how to spell,
and so when I had to teach ourschool spelling curriculum, I

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was scared to death, and itwasn't until somebody came
alongside me when I reached outand I was like, hey, I don't
know how to do this, can youactually come in my classroom
and teach this for a few monthsso I can watch you?
And it wasn't until somebody didthat that I was like, oh, okay,
I get it, I understand it.
Now I can teach it.
And that's the goal with theselessons is we want parents and
church leaders and Christianeducators, even if they've never

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been trained in these differentsubject matters, to be able to
say, okay, I can watch thisright alongside these kids God
has placed in my care, and thenI'm going to be equipped to
continue guiding them in thatway.
So, yeah, so we have curriculumat Foundation Worldview that's
for kids ages four and up, eightand up, and then 10 and up, and
it's especially for familiesthat might have, you know, like

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a four-year-old, a six-year-old,a seven-year-old.
It can be flexible and can beused over multiple years so that
parents can work with their thechildren that are in their home
.

Luke Allen (12:06):
That's great.
Yeah, and guys, we'll include alot of links and information
about Foundation Worldview inthe episode page so you can
check that out in the show notes.
Elizabeth, I heard a statrecently that really motivated
me.
I kind of knew it, but itdefinitely motivated me to get

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on the ball because, uh, I havetwo young kids, one's two, one's
five months and the stat issomething like 80 to 90%, the
vast majority of someone'sworldview is formed by the age
of 10.
Is that correct?

Well, I haven't seen that particular
stat but I have, you know, like,heard, like Barna, research and
other things, yeah, that talkabout how, even before kids
reach the teenage years, thattheir worldview is really
solidified.
And so I don't doubt, you know,that that is accurate, because
even when you think about howmany things, like you said, you
have a five-month-old Luke andlike even when you think about

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how many things yourfive-year-old has already
learned or sorry, five-month-old, I said that wrong
five-month-old.
Even when you think about howmany things your five-month-old
has already learned.
You know, even just the firstday in the hospital, like when
he or she would cry, theylearned that somebody is going
to come and somebody is going tomake sure I'm warm, somebody's
going to make sure I'm fed,somebody's going to make sure

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that I'm changed when I cry.
So all of these things that aredeveloping even in the first
few months of life, that arestill, you know, even
solidifying worldview categoriesat that young of an age.
And so, yes, I don't doubt thatthe majority of the worldview
is solidified before the teenyears are reached, which is why
it is so important to beintentional with what we are

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doing with the children in ourcare, because a lot of times
it's very interesting.
A lot of times people will cometo our ministry when they have
teenagers and none of us on ourstaff are experts in teens.
Like we might be able to offer anugget of wisdom here and there
, but we're like.
We're sorry, but the good newsis there's many other
organizations that do this forteens, so we point them in the

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general direction, but a lot oftimes Christian adults don't
look for any resources inworldview formation or biblical
literacy or critical thinkinguntil they're already seeing the
fruit of what has beenhappening over the past decade
or so.
You know they see their childstart to question the faith, or
they see really negativeattitudes, or they see their

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child drawn towards a certaintype of sin, or they see their
child buying into the lies ofthe culture, and then they try
to do something.
Now God has done strangerthings than work in the heart of
a rebellious teenager, you know.
So it's never too late, it'snever without hope.
But what we're trying to helppeople understand at Foundation
Worldview is that rotten fruitthat's growing in the teen years

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Its root is in the earlychildhood and elementary years,
and so we are wise to be veryintentional in what we're doing
in worldview formation as earlyas we can.

Luke Allen (15:08):
Yeah, absolutely.
Unfortunately, though, here'sanother stat, so this one did
come out of Barna.
This was, I don't know when thestat came out, you might have
seen it, though.
It says while 95% of surveyedchildren's ministry leaders say
the home should be the primarysource of discipleship, only 51%

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of parents believe that it istheir role, again, to be the
primary source of discipleship.
That was shocking to me.
On one hand, I think manyparents might not know what
discipleship means and thatmight be the confusion there,
but also 51% of parents don'tthink it's their primary
responsibility over the churchto be the discipler of their

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children.
You know, if you don't see thatas a parent, then you know how
are you gonna, in those earlyyears especially?

really, you know, take that, take that
opportunity you have in front ofyou to point your kids in ages
one through five even towards abiblical worldview and towards
answering those important lifequestions through a biblical
lens out of the house, or likeI'm a grandparent or I've never

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had children, don'tunderestimate the value that you
can play in encouraging parentsto be the primary disciple
makers of their children,because now I'm not in every
kid's, you know, like I'm invery few kids ministries because
I just attend one church.
But I would venture to guessthat a lot of those kids
ministry leaders, even thoughthey say they believe that

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discipleship is the parent'sprimary job, probably most of
where their efforts are goinginto is planning weekly
programming.
Think how that number of 51%might change if those kids
ministry leaders stop focusingso much on programming and
started focusing on comingalongside parents and supporting

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them and even awakening them tothe fact that they are the
primary disciple makers.
I mean, even before we went, wewent live with us.
You know, scott, you weresharing with me a little bit
more about, you know the, theDNA philosophy and like where it
came from.
And you were sharing how, whenyou were in relief efforts, you
saw that you can't just bringfunds into an underdeveloped

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nation, that you actually haveto start with the worldview,
because if that worldviewfoundation isn't there, those
funds aren't going to leadultimately to human flourishing.
And it's similar with kidsministry.
If kids ministry is focusedjust on the programming on
Sunday and Wednesdays, then it'sreally not going to do what it
was designed to do, because it'sthe parents that really need to

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take on that job.
So for anybody who's listeningand is thinking well, I don't
have kids in my home right nowyou still have a vital role to
play in helping the parents inyour local church disciple their
children.
Well, by coming alongside ofthem, you know helping them
understand that they are theprimary disciple makers.
Loving their kids, you knowplaying the role that God has

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called you to play in your localchurch.
That is so foundational.

Yeah, I just want to underscore the importance of
what you're saying, elizabeth,and appreciate that.
You know, I've been attendingevangelical churches since I
became a Christian in my highschool years so many years now,
and I've never.
You know great churches, butI've never seen a program like
that.
You know, I've never seen thatvision of a church to say how do

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we equip?
And to me that's what thechurch is.
That's a role of the pastors.
Really it's an equipping role.
It's equipping the saints to dothe work of ministry.
And there's no more importantministry than the ministry of
parents in the home, especiallywhen their kids are young and
kind of in these early formationyears.
But the idea seems to be justsend your kids here to Sunday

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school, get them into Sundayschool.
If you're a parent you canvolunteer for Sunday school, all
good, but you know it's kind oflike we'll take care of it,
we'll disciple your kids, and Ithink that's exactly the wrong
message to be sending.
As important as that is thatyou know, as you're saying, you
are the primary discipler ofyour children and we will equip

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you.
I know you probably don't evenknow how to begin to do that,
but you know that's our job youknow as pastors at a church here
is to equip you to do that, andwhat a great resource for them
to use.
You know your resources because, like you say, it's video-based
and they can just learn asthey're going how to disciple

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kids.
And let me follow that up with aquestion too, because I think
when we talk about disciplingchildren or anybody, what's the
difference between what a lot ofevangelicals have in their
minds when we talk aboutdiscipleship and specifically
biblical worldview discipleship,Because I think those are
different things.
What do you have to say aboutthat, elizabeth?

Yes, I think a lot of times—now I'm not
in everybody's minds, I'm onlyin mine, but, from my
observations.
Yeah, from my observations, Ithink a lot of times when people
think about discipleship,they're strictly focused on
behavior.
You know how is this childbehaving at home and how are
they behaving in public.
Now, please don't get me wrong.

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Scripture is clear that God hascalled parents to train their
children to live rightly so.
Behavior, you know like workingon our children's behavior is
an important part ofdiscipleship.
However, when we're thinkingabout their worldview, we don't
want them to just behave right.
We want them to think, to loveand to live rightly so.

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It's more than just having kidsmemorize verses that are going
to change their behavior.
Is that important to havebiblical discipline?
Absolutely so.
Please don't hear me sayingthat I'm negating that, because
that is important, but in orderto develop a biblical worldview,
we actually need to teach ourkids how to think biblically.
So, rather than just teachingthem different Bible stories, we
need to actually equip them tounderstand how does the Bible

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speak to important questions,for example, nowadays you know
we're recording this podcast in2025.
There is so much confusion inthe United States and in other
westernized nations over genderand sexuality, where really
gender and sexuality boils downto a question of identity, of

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what does it mean to be human?
Identity of what does it meanto be human?
Because if we are theaccidental result of blind,
unguided evolution, then we haveno purpose.
We have no goal except for thatwhich we make for ourselves.
And so if I feel like you knowwhat, even though I'm
biologically female, I actuallyfeel like I am male inside.

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I get to change that identitybecause I have no fixed identity
.
I have no fixed purpose.
Where we want to help our kidsunderstand, how does the
biblical worldview, how does allof scripture speak to what it
means to be human?
And there's so many facets ofthis.
So this is like not a questionthat you answer in one day with
your child.
This is something you know.

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You spend days, weeks, maybeeven months studying.
But look at, what does scriptureteach about what it means to be
human?
I mean, even if you just openup the first three chapters of
Genesis and spent a week there,there's so much that's revealed.
You know, genesis 1, 26 through27 reveals that we are created
in God's image, that we arecreated as distinctly male or

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distinctly female in God's image.
Genesis 1.28 talks about ourpurpose, that we are to
represent God on this earththrough being fruitful and
multiplying, filling the earthand subduing it, that we
actually have a role, that weare God's stewards of this earth
.
Then you read Genesis, chapter2, you see the institution of
marriage and how God institutedmarriage as a lifelong covenant

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between one man and one woman,that God didn't give this
covenant to any other species onthe planet, that it is only
humans that have the privilegeof entering into this covenant
that God designed between oneman and one woman.
Then you look at Genesis threeand you figure out this is why
the world is the way it is thatAdam and Eve, our first parents.

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They rebelled against God andwhen they did, everything broke
that immediately.
Their communion with oneanother was broken, their
communion with God was broken.
Even their communion withthemselves having an accurate
understanding of who they wereand what they had done was
broken.
And so, as we look at the wholeof scripture, there's so much

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that scripture teaches aboutwhat it means to be human and it
makes sense of so many of thesebig cultural issues that we're
wrestling with.
So I just want to really helpparents and grandparents and
church leaders and churchmembers and Christian educators
just catch a bigger vision thatit's not just about teaching our

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kids to behave right andteaching them Bible stories.
It's about teaching them toview all of life through the
lens of scripture, becausescripture speaks to all of life.

Yeah, to me what you just said right there really
puts the point on it.
You know, this is thedistinction to me between what
many understand as discipleshipand worldview.
Discipleship because I thinkthat we are shaped in the West
to have kind of a bifurcatedworldview.
We at DNA call it a sacred,secular worldview and issues of

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faith and Christianity, church.
Discipleship, all of it is kindof put into a particular
category.
You know we call it the highercategory, the more spiritual
category but then it's separatedfrom a whole lot of life.
You know things like marriageand family and vocations and sex
and that's all kind ofpolitical, cultural stuff and

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the culture around us teaches usthat.
You know, you should keep yourfaith separate from those kind
of things.
And very often we go along withthat and we say you know, the
Church is good for spiritualthings, for salvation, eternal
life, you know, ethical livingor whatever it is, but it
doesn't speak to, certainlydoesn't speak to things like

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even how we shape education,much less mathematics or science
or you know, those are kind ofin another.
You know component in ourthinking.
We separate, you know thesethings, biblical worldview.
Discipleship, in my mind, isbreaking that down and saying no
, that's a false separation.
We live in one world.
There's one God who is the Lordover all of it, and the Bible

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teaches us not just how to livespiritually or how to be saved.
It teaches us how to live inthe whole of our lives, in the
whole of the world that God made.
So there's not an area that itdoesn't speak to.
The principles of the Bible,the definitions of the Scripture
, should inform everything.
If you don't, you know that'squite a different vision of

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biblical thinking.
Training, discipleship right,those are kind of different.
So I really applaud you forthat, for pushing on this, the
need for biblical worldview, atype of discipleship.

Luke Allen (26:29):
Yeah, I agree with that.
My mind when you're saying thatDad just goes again to Romans
12, 2.
We say it all the time here onthe podcast but it's if you
don't do this, parents, theworld's going to do it for you.
The kids aren't going to sit inthis neutral, happy, la-la land
of just uninformity.
You, the kids, aren't going tosit in this neutral, happy, la
la land of just uninformity.

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They're going to be conformed,uh, into the world's worldview
on important questions of whatit means to be human and what is
education and what is sexuality.
Uh, again, romans 12 2 do not beconformed, you could say any
longer, to the patterns of thisworld, but be transformed by the
renewing of your mind.
So the understanding there isthat kids, if you don't, you
know, if they're not purposelybeing transformed to the

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renewing of their mind, they'regoing to be conformed to this
world.
You know they don't start outas a blank slate, even like some
of the early enlightenmentthinkers so wrongly asserted,
but they are.
We're born into sin and we justcontinuously slide that
direction unless we're beingtransformed by the renewing of
our minds.
So it's not this, it's not thisneutral place that the kids are
going to sit in.

(27:32):
Um.
Elizabeth, when you startedthis discussion, you were saying
how, right now, for thesegenerations gen z, gen alpha,
probably millennials as wellthey are they are just bombarded
by the age of information onsocial media, online, by false
ideas, by the ideas that aretrying to conform them into the
patterns of this world.

(27:52):
How specifically do you goabout addressing that and how
much of an issue is this?
You know, if you could justkind of open people's eyes to
this, yeah, how are you seeingthis?

Yes.
So I usually like to give ananalogy in thinking about how
can we train our kids, because alot of times people think okay,
I need to find all of the liesthat culture is preaching and I
need to explain how they'refalse.
Now, there are much worsethings that we could be doing
than doing that.
There is some value to that.
However, I like to give theanalogy of learning how to read.
When each of us were learninghow to read, which I mentioned

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before in this podcast, I didn'tlearn at school.
Fortunately, my mom was ateacher, so she taught me at
home.

Luke Allen (28:35):
So I did eventually learn to read.
I can read.

But when we were taught how to read our
teachers or our parents you knowwhoever was teaching us how to
read they could have given us alist of words and had us
memorize all of those words.
You know, we could havememorized the shapes of the
words, the sounds that they made, and then memorize that list of
words, and then we could havelearned to read that way.
However, if we learned to readthat way, we would have been

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forever dependent on someoneelse to teach us new words.
We would never would have beenable to decode a new word or
look up a new word in thedictionary, because we just
would have had the set ofmemorized words, where, instead,
what our teachers or ourparents did is they taught us
the shapes and sounds associatedwith 26 individual letters and

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once we knew those shapes andthose sounds, they taught us how
to put those letters and thosesounds associated together, and
then we were able to read wordsand eventually, because we had
that toolbox of 26 letters andthe associated sounds, we can
now decode any word that we comeacross.
Are there still going to beones that are difficult for us

(29:42):
to read?
Yeah, there's still going to besome difficulty, but we're
equipped to read any word thatwe encounter, and it should be
similar with our children that,rather than saying like, okay,
these are the ideas right now,these are the ones I need to
prepare them for, instead ofdoing that, we need to give them
some thinking tools that theycan take with them into any and

(30:03):
every situation, and if we dothat, they're going to be
prepared for who knows what iscoming down the pipeline.
You know, I just was talking alittle bit before about the
gender and sexuality revolution.
You know, if we were recordingthis podcast 10 years ago, we
would not be thinking abouttransgenderism at all.
Like was that happening?

(30:23):
Yes, but that wouldn't havebeen on the forefront of our
minds.
We would have instead beenthinking about homosexual
marriage because 2015 was theObergefell decision, and fast,
you know, like rewind back to2005.
If we were recording this 20years ago I mean that would have
been amazing, because there wasvery few podcasts 20 years ago.
But if we were recording this 20years ago, you know, there
would have been different thingsthat we would, you know, view

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as culturally important.
So if we can give our kids somebasic tools that can prepare
them for any situation they'reencountering.
And now one tool that I thinkis so important that I'm always
encouraging parents and churchleaders and Christian educators
to teach kids is the differencebetween claims that are
objective, the truth of which isoutside the control of

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someone's inner emotionalthoughts, feelings, world, and
then subjective claims that arecompletely dependent on the
person's inner emotional world.
For little kids, rather thansaying you know objective and
subjective, just call it truthand feelings.
Because if we can equip ourchildren to understand the
difference between truths thatare objective and feelings that

(31:30):
are subjective, they're going tobe prepared to think, to ask
good questions and to analyze ina whole bunch of different
situations, because now ourworld gets this all mixed up and
just claims and assumes manytimes that our inner subjective,
emotional world is the mostreliable guide to reality.

So if we can teach even little kids, Let me just
pause you right there, because Ijust saw this video last week
and it was kind of amazing.
It was actually a video thatwas developed for children,
elementary school children andit's being used in the state of
Massachusetts, likely in manyother states I'm almost certain

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here in Oregon as well, and it'steaching children about sex.
It's teaching gender ideology,but when you watch it it's a
cartoon, this little cartoon,and it shows this little boy or
girl interacting with a doctorwho's giving birth to a baby and
the doctor's proclaiming thatit's a boy or girl by looking at
its body parts and they'resaying now wait a second, we

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can't.
You know, that may be atemporary placeholder, but what
really defines who we aresexually is our feelings.
And it went on and talked abouthow our feelings are what
determine the reality of oursexuality, and it was to me it
was like very powerful, becauseyou can get lost sometimes in
all the academic discussionsabout this.
But this was just because it wasmade for kids.

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It was very clear.
I thought this was just aperfect little distillation of a
lie that, anyways, that ourkids are being exposed to all
the time.
You know that this is ourfeelings.
Our feelings are whatdetermines what is real,
including our own, you know, sex, gender, whatever it is, yeah,

(33:23):
hey guys, thanks so much forjoining us today.

Luke Allen (33:25):
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again, it's linked in the shownotes below.

And that's why that's one of the
foundational tools to have inour kids tool belt because
actually several years ago a momwrote, wrote into foundation
worldview and she had taken herdaughter, who I think at the
time was maybe like six yearsold.
She had taken her daughterthrough our biblical worldview
curriculum and the first fivelessons in that curriculum are
all on the difference betweentruths and feelings.
And so this was a mom of apublic schooled student and she

(35:44):
picked her daughter up fromschool one day when her daughter
was in second grade and herdaughter got in the car and was
like, mommy, today was such aweird day.
And her mom was like what doyou mean?
It was a weird day.
She was like well, my teacherwas absent and we had a
substitute and he is a man, buthe was wearing a dress and we
were supposed to call him mrsso-and-so, you know.
And the mom said you know, she'sinternally freaking out.
She has not had anyconversations about gender or

(36:06):
gender identity with you knowher seven-year-old daughter.
But instead of freaking outexternally, she stayed calm and
she said well, sweetie, what didyou think about that?
And her daughter surprised herand said mommy, it was so sad.
And she said what do you mean?
It was so sad and she's likewell, the truth is that God
designed him as a boy.
But instead of believing thetruth, he was believing his

(36:29):
feelings instead.
And the mom said she just kindof like put her head down on the
steering wheel and criedbecause she was so relieved that
because she had given herdaughter just this simple
paradigm that truths aredifferent than feelings.
Her daughter was able to enterinto this very unfortunate
circumstance, you know for aseven-year-old to be in, but her
daughter was able to thinkthrough it critically and

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biblically because she had oneof those tools in her belt that
she could implement in differentsituations.
So that's why I say it's soimportant to think through okay,
what are the basic skills thatthese children need that they
can take into any and everycircumstance?

Luke Allen (37:04):
If you could just walk us through practically how
those lessons go the truthversus feelings what does?
That look like, just to give usa little anecdote.

Yeah, so in our curriculum, our biblical
worldview curriculum, it's forchildren ages four through seven
.
It can go up to eight as well,but it's mainly for children
ages four through seven.
And so we have one big truththat we cover in every lesson
and we practice saying it and weplay games with it.
And so the first lesson istruth is what is real, you know.
So we memorize that truth iswhat is real, and then we play a

(37:35):
game where, um, I'm the onethat teaches those lessons.
And so I'll say okay, I'm goingto tell you some sentences.
Some of them are going to betrue sentences.
They're going to tell youwhat's real, and if it's a true
sentence, I want you to holdyour arms up like it's an X and
say true.
Then I'm going to tell you somesentences that are not true.
They're not real, they're goingto be silly.
And if you hear a sentence thatis not true, I want you to

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cross your arms like an X andsay not true.
And so then we'll just play,you know, with a few rounds of
that and with simple things like, if you're trying to do this on
your own, just think of anobject that you can talk through
and say some sentences about itthat are true and some that
aren't.
Like think of puppies.
You can say puppies are babydogs, that is true.
And then a not true sentencethat would be fun for little

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ones is like puppies run on theceiling.
Oh my goodness, that's so silly, that is not true.
And just keep playing that game.
True, not true, true, not true.
So that's what we do in thecurriculum and it just creates
these boxes in their minds.
First, true and not true,because if you try to do too
much at once, especially withlittle ones, they don't remember
anything.
So just start off really simple.
That's the first lesson.

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We play a bunch of games withthat.
Then, in the second lesson, thebig truth that we cover is
feelings are different thantruths, and so we say that again
.
You know, feelings aredifferent than truth.
And then we play a game wherethey have to say if something is
a truth, if it's not true or ifit's a feeling, and so if it's

(39:01):
a feeling, they hug themselves.
And so what we do with that iswe'll do something similar.
You know, like puppies are babydogs, that's true.
Puppies run on the ceiling thatis not true.
Puppies are fun, that's afeeling.
A lot of people feel likepuppies are fun, but other
people, when puppies are chewingon their sofa, do not feel like
puppies are fun.

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So we'll just play a bunch ofgames with that to just have
these now mental categories oftrue, not true and feelings, and
then in the next lesson we'llcover that feelings can trick us
, and so we'll talk about howour feelings are big and our

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feelings are strong, and a lotof times our feelings feel like
they are really true andsometimes our feelings do point
us to truth.
You know, like if a child, ifhis sister, takes the car that
he is playing with while he'splaying with it and grabs it,
that's unjust, you know.
So his feelings of anger arepointing him towards the truth.
But then when those feelings ofanger lead him to think I need
to whack my sister upside thehead, those feelings have then

(40:02):
just tricked him.
Those feelings have then justtricked him.
So we just play games you knowtalking about does this person
feel, do this person's feelingspoint them towards the truth or
did they point them away fromthe truth, just so that they
have these categories?
Then we'll cover in the nextlesson that God is the source of
truth, because that's whatscripture reveals to us that all

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truth stems from God, that heis the source of truth.
So basically, what we do inthat lesson is we're just
helping kids understand whatsource means.
So we give them lots ofexamples and we're like what is
the source of the eggs that weeat?
Chickens.
Chickens are the source of eggs.
What is the source of most ofthe milk we drink, which
nowadays there's so manydifferent types of milk.
This isn't quite as relevant,but we'll say cows.

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Cows are the source of most ofthe milk that we drink.
You know, like what is thesource of wood?
Trees, trees are the source ofwood.
Who is the source of truth?
God is the source of truth.
That truth comes from him.
So we try to be reallypractical in what we're doing.
We're giving bite-sized truthsin, you know, like little doses
that are easy enough for four,five, six and seven-year-olds to

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grasp.
We're playing games, gettingtheir bodies involved, because
that's another part of evenhaving a biblical worldview is
understanding.
How has God designed this childthat he's placed in my care?
Is my instruction of this childaligning with God's design or
just aligning with somephilosophy of someone that
doesn't even understand God'sdesign for children.
So that's just a little snippetof what we do.

Luke Allen (41:28):
Yeah, I love it.
That, uh, it sounds so simple,but I I mean that if people
would just do that simple gametruth, feelings or a lie when
they're scrolling through TikTOK, or when they throw on, you
know, uh, fox news or NBCtonight, you know, play that
little game, it'd be, reallyhelpful.
That's how you think criticallyabout these things, tim.

(41:48):
I'm going to tag you, sorry,sorry.
We've been kind of blocking youout of the conversation so far.

Tim Williams (41:54):
Yeah, no, not at all, I've been enjoying
everything I've been hearing.
I'm a dad of four daughters,ages five to almost 16, and, can
, you know, definitely have somebig thoughts as you're talking.
You know I was talking to ayoung person recently and you

(42:19):
know they're beginning kind ofdating relationships and they've
got a lot of rules in theirtool belt.
I don't do this.
And I just spent some timetalking with them and was like,
okay, why, why don't you do that?
Because you know, whensomeone's not watching, what is
the principle, what is the value, what is the foundation, the

(42:42):
foundation why does that ruleexist?
I don't know.
And so that was fun.
You know, nobody ever walked methrough anything like that, and
so it's new to me to try andwalk young people through that
and to walk myself through that.

(43:03):
But it's exciting because, youknow, ultimately it's not the
behavior, it's not the rule thatfollows us, but we do need
these.
We need these mental boxes thathelp us to really have a firm
foundation so that we can applythose tools in in the situations
that we find ourselves.

(43:24):
That might be different thanwhat I grew up in, what my
parents grew up in.

So, yeah, I love that.
I want to probe a little bit,elizabeth, with you on an
observation that I've made.
You talked about how, if we'renot intentional, especially when
children are young, at helpingthem to think, feel, act, you
know, on the basis of truth,biblical truth.

(43:50):
You know we're going to beshaped by this culture that's
around us right now and theculture, you know again,
particularly in places likewhere I live here, is really
post-Christian in a lot of ways.
I mean what is out there interms of just the general
culture that's around us.
And yet what I observe is a lotof Christians are, you know,

(44:17):
they're not aware, maybe, ofjust how deeply that culture is
shaping their children and theykind of almost, you know, I'll
see things like here, you knowyou're bored, I'll just give you
the iPad, you just kind ofscroll or, you know, watch
whatever is on TV or the movies,without any kind of thought
about the way that the kids arebeing shaped.
Their ideas are being shaped bywhat they're watching, what

(44:39):
they're listening to, whatthey're seeing in the culture
around us, just the power ofculture.
I'm always amazed that peopleare seemingly ignorant of just
how powerful, like I think atthe beginning, you know when I
was reading your bio in fact,you talked about how your
experience in schools and thesewere Christian schools, kids

(45:00):
that had gone to church and hadgone to Sunday school and were
in Christian schools I mean,that's a lot of input, christian
input, but they were stilldeeply shaped by the culture
around them and there just seemsto be such ignorance about that
.
Do you agree?
And why is that?
Why are we still not aware thatthis is happening?
I'll let you answer.

(45:22):
But I was talking to someChristian friends recently.
We've got college-age kids andthey were going to send the kids
off to this school.
I went to a very liberal artscollege here in Oregon that at
the time this was in the 80s,and I learned a heavy dose of
Marxism back then.
I mean, what they're teachingnow, I'm sure, is just way off
the rails and they.

(45:43):
But they were just going tosend their kids to these schools
without a second thought aboutthat, like, oh, that's just, you
know, you go to that school andyou get a degree and you know,
and I'm like how is it thatwe're missing?
You know this thing.
You know, of course, the, the,our kids are going to be
believing and shaped by all ofthese really false ideas, but it
seems like there's an ignoranceabout that.

(46:03):
What are your thoughts orobservations on that?

Well, I probably don't understand it in
totality, but I think one of themain errors is parents not
taking the time to step back andto think through what is the
goal of my parenting.
Similarly, you know before wewere talking about kids'
ministry and how kids ministry,the model that we have, really
isn't.
It's not very effective andit's also I would argue that

(46:33):
it's not even biblical.
But a lot of times we just buyinto this in the church because
we're just like well, this ishow it's been.
You know, like this is whatkids ministry was like when I
was growing up.
Every church I've been to hasbeen like this and we never take
time to step back and look atlike okay, what does god have to
say?
You know, does this, does thisalign?
Is this where our goal shouldbe?
and I think it's similar inparenting that a lot of times
parents just think, like, okay,it's this stage, this is what I

(46:55):
should be focused on, wherethere are so many good things in
our culture, like I mean, wejust live in an amazing time
with so many opportunities forchildren, but a lot of times
we're just on this giant hamsterwheel to nowhere and if we
don't have the right goal we'renot going to arrive at the right
goal post.
You know we're going to arriveoff the mark.
So if parents think, you know,yeah, I want my kids to be

(47:18):
Christians, I want them, youknow, to understand a biblical
worldview, but the goal is toget into a top school, then
that's the goal they're going tobe shooting for.
Or if it's to have their kidsget top grades or to be the top
athlete, now none of thesethings in and of themselves are
wrong, but if that's theultimate goal that we're
shooting for, like, we are goingto fail miserably in discipling

(47:41):
our kids.
Well, so I think part of it isactually just taking a step back
and asking those around us, youknow, asking ourselves if we're
parenting, what is our goal?
I just recently had thisconversation with a friend that
I was with.
I went to a homeschoolconvention with two friends
because they were thinking ofhomeschooling their kids.

(48:02):
And so I was like, hey, I knowhomeschool curriculum, I'd be
happy to go with you, you know,ask the reps some questions.
And as we were driving there,you know, one of the moms was
just talking about how stressedshe was because she wants her
kids to eat like nutritiouslywell and this and that.
And then she mentioned somelike really big behavior issues
she was having with her childand I was like, can I ask you a
hard question?
I was like what is yourultimate goal?

(48:23):
in parenting and she was likethat's a good question.
I, I'm actually not sure.
And I was like well, the waythat you've been talking over
the past half hour makes it seemlike your ultimate goal is that
your children will grow up andhave a healthy diet.
Like having kids who have ahealthy diet and understand how
to eat nutritiously, is that agood thing?
Yeah, but you know what?

(48:44):
We're all dying and we are allgoing to die, and so, no matter
what our diet is like,ultimately that can't be the
ultimate thing.
And so we just, you know, talkthrough like what should the
ultimate goal in parenting be?
Biblically?
And I think that's one of thereasons why parents are so blind
to these things and aren'taware that like, oh, my kid is

(49:05):
going off to a secularuniversity.
You know, maybe I should bereally intentional about getting
them involved in a Christianministry that isn't just going
to have worship services but isactually going to teach them.
How do I think biblicallythrough my physics class, you
know, how do I think biblicallythrough my engineering major or
my English lit major?
Because we don't have the rightgoal.

(49:26):
I also think so.
I think that's like reallyfoundational.
And then I also think that wealso sometimes have the wrong
fears.
We fear the wrong thing, and soI think, like in that situation
that you're talking about with,you know, parents sending their
kids off to a secularuniversity.
Probably the fear that isdriving them is a fear that
their kid won't get a goodeducation, that they won't get a

(49:47):
good job, you know, and they'llbe living in the basement with
them, you know, and playingvideo games when they're 35.
Now, that is a healthy fear,but that's not what ultimately,
should drive us.
You know, any fear that drivesus should be the fear that you
know we actually haven'tdiscipled our kids well.
And similarly, with parents ofyounger kids that put them, you
know, just on screens, I thinkthey have the wrong fear.

(50:07):
They have the fear that if theylet their kid go out and play
in the front yard, their childis going to be abducted.
Well, you know what?
This is not 1982 anymore.
There are very few peopledriving around in vans with
candy trying to get kids whenyou know, like the people that
are dangerous are is online.
But those same parents that arescared of letting their kids

(50:28):
play out in the front yard arenot scared of giving them a
tablet, which is where theactual predators are hanging out
.
And so I think we need to havethe right fears and just think.
And so I think we need to havethe right fears and just think
OK, we should be fearing theLord and seeking how has he
called us to raise thesechildren?

That's so good, that's excellent.
You know your focus on kind ofultimate goals or big goals that
kind of get us moving in theright direction, get us focused
on the right thing.
We talk a lot about that in theDNA as it relates to the role
of the local church in society,because we say very often the

(51:07):
goal is, it's a good goal, it'soften to get people saved and
get them into church, and that'show we measure success right,
how many churches, how manypeople have been saved.
But is that really what ourgoal is?
Is or is our goal to disciplenations?
Is it to see, um, the nationaround us, the community, be

(51:28):
blessed and be flourishing andthat we have a role to play in
that as christians?
Um, beyond, just, you know,being saved ourselves as
individuals or coming into achurch on a Sunday, if the goal
isn't right right from the verybeginning, you're going to be
going off on a wrong trajectory.
So I really love that and Ithink you're right.

(51:49):
I think we are not thinkingwhat is our goal as parents here
?
with the kids.
What does success look like 20years from now?

Luke Allen (52:02):
Do we have a?

clear picture of what that looks like in the life
of my child.
You know, not that again, youcan't, you know there's no
formula that's going toguarantee success, but you've
got to have that picture, youknow, out there in front of you,
I think, the right pictureexactly.

Luke Allen (52:14):
Yeah, while we're wrapping up here, I just got a
couple quick questions.
Obviously there's plenty ofparents who just maybe have been
misguided or haven't reallystarted this process yet and
their kids are getting up therein the school years and whatnot,
and the parents want a coursecorrect and jump on this and

(52:36):
start teaching their kidsbiblical worldview.
They start locking in what thatwhy is and getting their fears
lined up properly.
What other ways can parents ofcourse correct?
Say they have a 12-year-old,15-year-old?
That's question one.
Question two is how can theypray for their kids during this
time of you know, maybe they'vealready started to really grasp

(52:59):
hold of the worldviews aroundthem that are, that are secular,
and then the parents reallywant to start leading them back
towards the biblical worldview.
How can the parents pray forthem along that journey as well?

Yeah, good questions, I think for the
first one, you know.
And what can parents do?
The first thing I wouldencourage, you know, especially
with anybody who's wanting tocourse correct and your child is
over the age of 12.
Those teen years, like I saidearlier, God has done many
stranger things than work in theheart of a hard-hearted
teenager.
So please don't feel like it'shopeless.

(53:29):
I would think the first thing is, if the Lord has convicted you
of this, that you haven't beenactively discipling your child,
you haven't been equipping themto think biblically, first thing
I would recommend that you dois just repent before the Lord,
you know.
Just say I'm sorry, lord, youknow I have not been raising my
children in the way that you'vecalled me, to Thank him for that

(53:51):
conviction, that realization.
And then I would recommend thatyou actually go to your child
and you repent before them aswell, that, rather than just
trying to change thingsautomatically, you let them know
, hey, I have done some thingsin the way that I've been
raising you, that God hasconvicted me.
Just don't align with what he'srevealed in his word and that

(54:11):
has ultimately been to yourdetriment, and I am so sorry.
Will you forgive me for this.
Will you be patient with me asI try to correct?
And now that's not.
You know, some kids will just belike whatever, I don't really
care, you know, and they mightrespond like that.
But even if they do, you'llknow before the Lord that you've
done what is right.

(54:32):
And for many children that'sgoing to speak volumes.
Even if it doesn't in themoment, that's going to speak
volumes to them.
You know, even decades down theway, when they're like, wow,
you know, my parent, you know intheir 30s, 40s, 50s, you know,
was willing to come before meand tell me that what they did
was wrong and ask for myforgiveness.
Like, wow, who does that?
You know?
So that's going to speakpowerfully to that.

(54:53):
And then I would just encourageyou to implement small changes,
just small changes.
You know, don't be like, okay,we're changing everything.
Like, you know, like, no morepublic school, you're going to
be homeschooled from tomorrow.

Luke Allen (55:04):
And we're only using Christian curriculum.

You know, I mean, if the Lord convicts you
that you should.
You know, homeschool, by allmeans homeschool.
But you know, don't try to likeflip a switch, you know, and
pull your kids out of all sportsand change everything.
Just start with small things.
I would encourage you to justteach your kids that definition.
That truth is what is real.
And then when you're watching ashow or a family movie together
, be like hey, what that personjust said, was that true or is
that not true, or is it justtheir personal feeling?
So just start doing that.

(55:30):
You know, as you're watchingmedia together.
You know, don't sit down andpreach at them.
You know, like hardly anybodylearns when we're lectured at.
So you know, just ask goodquestions as you're engaging in
media together.
Also, if we want our kids tohave a biblical worldview, they
need to actually know what thebible says, and so they need to
be equipped to soundly read,interpret and apply scripture on

(55:52):
their own.
So you know, being trained.
You know to read scripture welldoes take a long time, but an
easy way to start is just atfamily dinner.
You know, to read scripturewell does take a long time, but
an easy way to start is just atfamily dinner, you know, or
sometime when it's naturalduring the day.
Just start reading a chapter ofscripture together and asking
the question what truths aboutGod are revealed in this passage
?
What truths about humans arerevealed in this passage?

(56:13):
What truths about God's planfor the world are revealed in
this passage?
You know, just ask those threequestions.
And especially if you have ateen that's a little bit more
standoffish to this, let themhave some buy-in, you know.
Let them choose the book of theBible that you're going to
study together.
If they're not comfortablereading it together, say that's
fine.
You know, like we're all justgoing to make sure that we have
read, you know, matthew chaptertwo by tomorrow at dinner and

(56:36):
we're going to talk about it.
So just little steps, you know.
Start with that foundation oftruth, start with equipping them
to soundly read, interpret andapply scripture.
So that would be myrecommendation there.
And then for how you can bepraying for them.
I a lot of times, in situationswhere I'm feeling overwhelmed,
I just ask the Lord, even justplease show me how to pray in

(56:58):
this situation that I find it soencouraging in Romans 8 when it
talks about the Holy Spirit isinterceding for us with groans
that are too deep for words.
Just to know that, like God, Idon't know what to pray for in
this situation, but your HolySpirit does, and he is praying
for me right now, and I'm sograteful for that.
So I would just pray for wisdom, even in what to pray for your

(57:19):
child.
But a few things that I thinkare really helpful to pray for
children.
The first is that God wouldjust graciously convict them
that they would feel the weightof their sin, that they would
taste and see that the Lord isgood, that they'd be reconciled
in their relationship to God.
You know, just basic salvation,because really in order to have

(57:40):
a biblical worldview you needto be indwelt by the Holy Spirit
.
Now, indwelling of the HolySpirit does not automatically
equal you have a biblicalworldview but it is a first step
to that um, and I would bepraying also that God you know,
like these things, that I'mworking towards, you know when,
whether it's like discerningtruths from feelings, or you
know knowing how to soundly read, interpret and apply your word
or anything else you're coveringwith them.

(58:01):
Just pray that the Lord wouldbring about situations in their
life where they would see theimportance of that, because
that's something that we cannotdo as humans, but God can
orchestrate that.
God can and he will.
You know, as we're praying forthose things, that they'll be
able to see the folly aroundthem as they learn these things.

(58:22):
So those would be myrecommendations for parents, and
I think they're good forgrandparents to pray or aunts
and uncles or even if you'rejust a member of a local church
and you see the children thatGod has placed in that church.
These are great things to bepraying for them as well.

Super powerful, yeah, thanks.
And very practical too.
Um, I just really want to thankyou, elizabeth, for for your
very practical and biblical andheartfelt uh, sensitive,
heartfelt wisdom that you'resharing here on this podcast.
So, um, luke and tim, weprobably should wrap up any
final questions, or um, and I dowant to encourage all of our

(58:58):
listeners to go tofoundationworldvieworg Dot com
Dot com yeah,foundationworldviewcom.
Check it out Really wonderfulwebsite, easy to navigate, clear
, clearly laid out.
So good job on that as well,and take advantage of these
resources.
Again, this is for parents,grandparents, great-grandparents

(59:18):
you can all take advantage ofthese resources.
Again, this is for parents,grandparents, great-grandparents
you can all take advantage ofthese resources.
So, thank you for blessing uswith what you put out there,
elizabeth.
This is fantastic.

My pleasure If anybody listening is
interested in implementing anyof our curriculums if you use
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So we'd love to gift you with that.
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podcast.
Thank you, luke Tim.
Any final thoughts or questions?

Tim Williams (59:51):
Elizabeth, you talked about the conversation
that you had where you wereengaging with a woman, about
what was the ultimate goal ofparenting you know, wasn't
healthy eating.
In your own words, in asentence or so you know what's
the ultimate goal of parenting.

Elizabeth Urbanowicz (01:00:08):
I think the ultimate goal of parenting
is that our children would knowJesus, that they would love
Jesus, that they would see theworld through the lens that
Jesus provides for us inscripture, and that they would
spend their days seeking andserving him.
Now, I know that that's a loftygoal and you know, as Scott

(01:00:32):
said before, there is noguaranteed formula for raising
kids who know love and trustJesus.
You know, if there were, I'd bea millionaire, but there is no
such goal.
However, if we shoot for thatgoal, we are going to be aiming
in the right direction and weare going to be faithful to

(01:00:53):
God's call on our lives.
That faithfulness is what Godhas called us to, so that's what
I'd encourage all the parentswith Excellent Well.

Scott Allen (01:01:05):
Elizabeth, thank you so much and we're grateful
for you taking time to be withus and share your journey and
your wisdom and your resourcesand your ministry with us today
and our listeners.
So thank you so much and again.
Foundationworldviewcom is thewebsite and encourage all of you
to check it out.
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