September 11, 2025 • 30 mins
In this episode, we talk with Lindsey Smith about her role as Idaho's newly-elected representative on the National Education Association Board of Directors. She's a 16-year veteran educator who teaches gifted education and leadership at Sacagawea Middle School in Lewiston. Lindsey took her seat as NEA Director on September 1. We talk about her new role and the importance of being active in the union's work.
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Mike Journee (00:00):
Journee, welcome to the IAEA reporter podcast, a
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regular discussion about thenews and events important to
Idaho Education Associationmembers and those who value
public education. IAEA membersare public school educators from
all over the state and membersof the largest union in Idaho.
They're Idaho's most importanteducation experts, and they use
their influence to fight for afree, quality and equitable
public education for everystudent in the state. I'm Mike
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Journee, communications directorat DIA and I'll be your host for
this episode today. Our guest isLindsay Smith, IAEA, newly
elected NEA director. Lindsay isa 16 year veteran educator who
teaches gifted education andleadership at Sacagawea Middle
School in Lewiston. He's a veryactive union member and leader
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in Lewiston EducationAssociation, as well as taking
on regional, statewide andnational responsibilities, he
was elected to her new positionas Idaho's representative on the
National Education Association'sBoard of Directors earlier this
year, and took her seatofficially on September 1. In
this role, she also served as amember of iea's Board of
Directors and sits on itsexecutive committee. The IEA
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reporter podcast caught up withLindsay after a recent school
day to discuss her vision forher new role and her perspective
on the union's importance.
Lindsay Smith, thank you so muchfor joining us on the IAEA
reporter podcast. It's reallygreat to have you here. I've
been thinking about this, havingthis conversation with you for a
bit, so it's really great tohave you here.
Lindsey Smith (01:40):
Welcome. Thank you, Mike. I'm happy to be here.
Mike Journee (01:44):
So Lindsay, as we heard in your introduction,
you've been a very active memberof the IEA for quite a while
now. What What made you want tobe Idaho's representative on the
NEA board of directors?
Lindsey Smith (01:56):
That is a great question. Honestly, the union
has played such a significantrole in my journey as an
educator, honestly, hasconsistently been a source of
strength and solidarity for me,especially when it comes to
navigating all of the joys andchallenges of being an educator
in Idaho, I deeply value theexperiences I've had as part of
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my local and as a leader in theIEA, and I've been very involved
with national work over the pastdecade. So I think it's through
those experiences I reallyrealized that the role of Nea
director was something I trulywanted to pursue, and I've
gained so much perspective andhave built connections with
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educators all around thecountry, and put me in a unique
position to dive right into thiswork head first and continue to
advocate for what matters themost, which is a great public
school for every student inIdaho.
Mike Journee (02:55):
It's a shift for you. You've been you've been
doing some national work, butyou've been really involved in
your local tell us about yourrole a little bit. What are your
responsibilities when you sit onthe NEA board of directors?
Lindsey Smith (03:06):
So the role of Nea director is really all about
connection and advocacy, ourcritical liaison between their
state affiliate and the NationalEducation Association. So at its
core about making sure educatorsfrom Idaho have a strong voice
at the national level, so wehelp shape and monitor policies
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that impact public educationacross the country. We stay in
the know with what's happeningin local schools. Get a lot of
feedback from members and bringthat insight into NEA strategic
planning process, but we alsowork closely with Congress. So
directors meet with lawmakers.
We advocate for all kinds ofthings like better working
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conditions, fair pay. We speakup and out against vouchers. So
I mean, it's really acollaborative role, working side
by side with state leadership toadvance our mission and
legislative priorities.
Mike Journee (04:10):
You're going to be doing a lot more at the national
level, national policies, andyou're going to be stepping into
that role at perhaps one of themost challenging times for
public education since publiceducation has been around in our
country. How are you going toapproach that dynamic that we're
seeing, not only in Washington,but right here in Boise, at the
at the Statehouse in Boise withour Idaho legislature? How are
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you going to approach that thethe anti public education focus
that so many policy makers have,both in Washington and at the
state
Lindsey Smith (04:45):
level, and that really is daunting. And you are
absolutely correct, this is,without a doubt, a challenging
time for public education acrossthe entire nation. So in fact,
our NEA pride. President, BeckyPringle, she just commended our
group of incoming directors forchoosing this path and walking
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directly toward the fire when itmakes total sense to run in the
other direction. But I findcomfort in knowing that I'm not
alone. Our work is fundamentalto the nation, and I fully
accept the profound trust that'sbeen placed in me so we could
spend the entire day kind ofromanticizing and giving power
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to the problem, but I want tokeep choosing to speak the
language of possibility, so weare not here to fight back, but
to fight forward together forour students, it's really a yes
and situation. So yes, theconditions are rough, and we
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will advocate to fulfill thepromise of public education. And
if I can find the courage tostand in my power during the
tough times, then I will beworthy of my students.
Mike Journee (06:06):
Wow. Well said, Thank you for that. Thanks. Are
there any specific things thatyou hope to accomplish for Idaho
and for IEA members in this newrole?
Lindsey Smith (06:18):
You know, I really just want to stay
grounded and keep my head up. Somy ultimate goal is to stay
connected to what impacts ourIdaho educators and students. My
plan is to actively seek storiesand input from educators around
the state. I want to lift up oureducator voices and remind all
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of our members of the importanceof political action, and I
really think that if I do thosethings, my next steps will
identify themselves. Fantastic.
Mike Journee (06:51):
Well, let's zero in a little bit closer to home.
Lindsay, it's a new school year,and until this year, you've
taught English language arts andsocial studies at Sacagawea
Middle School in Lewiston, butyou got new role this year,
along with your new role withthe with the IEA in the union,
you got a new role at yourschool. Tell us a little about
that teens and how the newschool year is going so far.
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Yeah, you
Lindsey Smith (07:14):
know it it feels good to be back in the classroom
with students. They have a lotof energy at the middle level,
and they're so curious, and itreminds me every single day why
I chose this work and why Icontinue to advocate for public
schools. So a lot of peopledon't know this about me, but I
started my career in giftededucation all those years ago,
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and I have been teaching sixthgrade for several years now, so
a dear friend and colleague ofmine came to me and she told me
that she'd be retiring at theend of last year, and I knew it
was time to step back into thisrole. So I'm actually teaching
gifted education and leadershipclasses for all three grade
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levels at the middle school andmiddle schoolers, they really do
have so much potential to be aforce of good in this world, and
I love that I get to help leadthem in that direction.
Leadership has always been a bigpart of my journey as an
educator, so this new rolereally aligned with my passion.
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I'm excited to go to work everyday. My goal is to help students
discover their own leadershippotential and give them the
tools to advocate forthemselves, all about, you know,
helping them find their voiceand the ability to use it with
confidence.
Mike Journee (08:40):
Awesome, fantastic. Congratulations on
your new role and and good luckwith everything. It's, it's, it
sounds like it's right in yourwheelhouse.
Lindsey Smith (08:47):
So thanks, Mike.
Mike Journee (08:50):
How long have you been an educator? Lindsay,
Lindsey Smith (08:52):
this is my 16th year as a public school
educator,
Mike Journee (08:57):
and was all that in time in Lewiston. Where were
you before?
Lindsey Smith (09:00):
Yep, I came back to Idaho to go to Lewis Clark
State College and follow in mymy dad's footsteps. He's an
educator as well. So it wasreally nice to come back and I
was hired here in Lewiston, andI've spent my entire career
here.
Mike Journee (09:16):
It's fantastic.
When did you join the union? I
Lindsey Smith (09:20):
actually became a union member before I even
stepped into the classroom as ateacher. So it was crazy. Yeah,
it was my very first contractedday with the Liston School
District, and I vividly rememberwalking up to the building for
our back to school assembly. Iwas nervous, and I noticed that
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Lea tables were set up outside.
Everyone was excited, highenergy. People were smiling,
handing out resources, and Iremember being really curious,
and a good friend of mine toldme just to trust her to go fill
out the paperwork and that she'danswer all of my questions after
the assembly. And honestly,that's all it took. I've never
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looked back, and it was 100% thebest professional decision I've
ever made.
Mike Journee (10:09):
Wow, that's great.
That's fantastic. And so evenlonger than your tenure as an
educator, that's fantastic.
You've been an active member inthe LEA for a long time. With
that shift in theresponsibilities that you're
having within the union, are yougoing to try to stay involved
with your local
Lindsey Smith (10:25):
list? Oh, absolutely. So being a building
representative in my local isone of the most challenging and
fulfilling responsibilities thatI have as part of our union. So
no matter where this work takesme, as long as I'm working in a
school building, I will continueto be a source of information
for our members and advocate forour educators and students. It's
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just a big part of who I am
Mike Journee (10:52):
that's fantastic.
You're still also, you're stillalso serving as president of IAS
region two, which is generallythe Luke the Moscow area, the
state in the surrounding area.
Are you going to be staying inthat role going forward?
Lindsey Smith (11:05):
You know, I do plan to stay, for the time
being, as region two president,and that was a hard choice. I
talked to a lot of people. I'mclose with a lot of leaders in
the Union, and we're reallystarting to build momentum in
region two, and with me in thisrole, and I've immensely enjoyed
working with local presidentsand members in our region, and
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we have a few criticallegislative races coming up in
the next year, and I'm honoredto help guide these incredible
leaders as they navigate thesechallenging times. I mean, I get
to do this work.
Mike Journee (11:41):
Well, we're lucky to have you. You're gonna have a
lot of you play. You're right.
There's, there's lot, lots ofwork coming up. We're gonna talk
about many matters here in justa little bit, but there's a lot
going on so, so legend, you're,you're elected in this role in
May, and you took your seat onthe board, the NEA board on
September 1. But I know fromsocial media feeds that you you
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haven't been taking it easy.
You've been out and about doinga lot of union work. Can you
give us a rundown on what you'vebeen up to this
Lindsey Smith (12:12):
summer? Yes, so I've been a little bit
everywhere this summer, that'sfor sure. I started summer with
onboarding activities in Boise,and I just want to say that I
have felt so supported as theincoming NEA director Idaho
really is a special affiliate.
I've talked to a lot of otherincoming directors, and not all
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states have prepared theirincoming directors with the care
and detail that our IEA leadershave over the past few months,
and I am so grateful for that.
My next adventure was in BatonRouge, so Peggy and I traveled
down to help Louisiana educatorsbuild capacity and protect their
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union membership.
Mike Journee (12:58):
And then that's Peggy gorge, the outgoing NEA
director,
Lindsey Smith (13:01):
yep, yep. I've spent a lot of time with Peggy
this summer, and she'd been agreat source of information for
me. I traveled to Portlandshortly after that for
representative assembly, and Iwas an elected Idaho delegate,
so I got to engage in all ofthose responsibilities, but I
also was able to shadow Peggyand learn more about what
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Director work looks like inaction. I got to go to the new
NEA director luncheon with NEAleadership and experience my
first NEA board meeting asdirector elect. And I just have
to tell you, it was so inspiringto see the board in action, and
it makes me really excited tojoin this group of advocates.
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For sure, I flew to Baltimore asan alumni, veteran facilitator
for NEA leaders for just school,and I spent a week there working
with members from across thenation as they prepared to go
back to their own communitiesand advance educational equity.
And then I flew back to Idaho afew days after, a few days
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before summer institute, and Igot to attend one day of our IEA
leaders for just school Summit,and spend some time at the
social with some of my favoriteeducators from Idaho. And then I
boarded a plane that nextmorning at 5am and flew to
Washington, DC for missionorientation. And that's kind of
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where NEA prepares incomingdirectors for our new roles. And
then I flew directly fromWashington, DC back to Boise to
attend the IEA board meeting asNEA director elect. And that was
invaluable, because I got tocontinue to learn from Peggy and
IEA leadership as I take on thisnew role. Wow, it was a busy
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time.
Mike Journee (14:57):
That's a packed summer. That's a packed summer
you've been. All over the place.
I knew. I didn't know all ofthose things. I knew some of
those things from following youon social media, but that's,
that's wonderful. And thank youso much for all that you've
you're doing for IEA members.
That's wonderful.
Lindsey Smith (15:11):
Of course, it was, it was wild, but it was
worth it, for sure.
Mike Journee (15:15):
So you're going to be heading back to DC. I know in
October there's going to be anNDA board meeting, but there's
also, it's also going tocoincide with super week, I
believe, right, it will tell usa little bit about Super week,
and what you're going to bedoing there. You mentioned, you
mentioned, going to be speakingwith Congress and our
congressional delegation. Tellus a little bit about about how
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super week works.
Lindsey Smith (15:38):
Well, it's a little different for incoming
directors, we get to go out aday early and just be really
prepared another onboardingexperience for us to make sure
we're comfortable. But yeah, weget to we get briefed on our
legislative priorities and talkabout the things that are most
important for public schools,and then we go in and we talk to
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Congress and their staff aboutwhat we need in our states, what
we're hearing around the state,and what's important to
educators and students backhome. It's going
Mike Journee (16:10):
to be another busy time for you. I know that that
was important work that alwaysgets done with our congressional
delegation, and couldn't be moreimportant than than it is right
now. So good luck with all that.
Thank you. So let's talk alittle bit about May matters. I
mentioned it earlier, butthrough our for our listeners
that may matters of ieasorganizing campaign to activate
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members and vote and and worktowards returning a pro public
education majority to the statehouse this this spring, during
the May primary elections, andwe'll talk a little bit more
about that in here in a minute.
But, but I know you've beentalking a lot with members about
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May matters. What are youhearing from them about about
May matters, and how are youapproaching
Lindsey Smith (16:58):
that? I am so grateful for the opportunity to
talk about the May Matterscampaign today. So as many know,
I was the co author of newbusiness item number one at this
year's delegate assembly, andthis effort is central to my
values as an educator. I'd beentraveling around this past month
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to meet with educators fromdifferent regions and to talk
about the importance of showingup in voting in May primaries,
and we really have uniquesituations and opportunities in
each region and legislativedistrict this May May matters is
really about making educatorsvoices heard. It's not about
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political identity, which isdeeply personal, but about
policy outcomes. So publicschool funding decisions are
shaped in the May primary, andwe need educators around the
state to understand that and torealize the importance and value
of showing up in May and votingfor the folks who are going to
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do right by education, and ourcurrent reality in Idaho
politics just is not working.
Public schools are absolutelyunder attack, and we have the
power to show up in numbers andsay, enough is enough.
Mike Journee (18:16):
That's right. And I think you touched on the
really important part of this,and that's there's only so much
that you can do with thelegislature, but it's determined
to dismantle public educationand our May Matters campaign is
all about returning a pro publiceducation majority to the State
House. Anyone who wants to knowmore about May matters can go to
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our website. I do ea.org,backslash may dash matters, or
you can use the top navigationour website to find our landing
page. There's going to be a lotmore communications going out to
members here in coming monthsabout this. Lindsay, we're going
to be talking a lot about this,but you said a lot, right there.
Is there anything else you'dlike to say to members about the
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importance of this campaign,
Lindsey Smith (19:01):
I just want to reiterate that. I mean, the
future of public educationdepends on us registering to
vote and showing up at thepolls, and we know we still have
educators who need to registerand do just that. So I want
members to understand thepotential we have to make
positive change. And there's somany ways to be involved in this
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work, so whether you're ready toknock on doors or help find
candidates to run for office ormake phone calls, or if you just
want to be informed, there's aplace for you in this movement,
and we need your voice to helpshape the future of education
for our students.
Mike Journee (19:40):
That's right, and we know that that that better
than eight out of 10 legislativeseats in the legislature are
decided during the May primaryelection. We know that, and we
we also know that,unfortunately, educators aren't
filling up to vote for the propublic education candidates in
those elections. So that's whatthis is about. We're getting out
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we're going to organize membersand try to get them to the polls
so that we can make a differenceat the Idaho State House.
Absolutely. So Lindsay, you'vebeen an active part of iea's
Government Relations Committeeand the political action
committee for education throughthe years. You participated in
IA lobby day a number of times.
That's the day that almost 200Idaho educators from the IEA
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descend on the State House totalk directly to lawmakers.
You've talked very eloquentlyabout the importance of made
matters and being involved. Whyis it so important to be active
around education policy, and whydo you think other members
should get involved in that
Lindsey Smith (20:40):
way? This work is so important for me, being
present in the State House andbuilding real relationships with
lawmakers is invaluable. Itmakes the whole difference and
allows elected officials tofully understand how to
represent the communities thatthey serve. Leaders bring
something really important tothe table, because we see
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firsthand what's happening everyday in our classrooms and
schools, and oftentimes ourlawmakers just don't have, you
know, that insight andunderstanding of what it really
looks like, so we can tell thatreal story and just help it's so
valuable. I mean, our teachersare so valuable, and our
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communities love our schools andour educators, and we need to
tell that story so publicschools are not failing, and we
need to make sure that that'sheard far and wide. The
narrative starts at home withour policy makers, and when we
talk to them, directly, withthem, like human beings, it
helps make sure policies don'tcome from guesswork or
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assumptions, but actuallyreflect what students and
educators need, and that kind ofopen conversation is key to
building strong public schools.
Mike Journee (21:55):
That's right. One of the things that that our star
lobbyists, Chris Perry and MattCompton say a lot down about
about they're very goodlobbyists. They'll tell you, and
I agree with them, but they'llthey but they also say that the
best lobbyists, the best, thebest, most effective folks that
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can go down to the state houseand talk are educators and
lawmakers by and large. Reallyappreciate them being there.
Really appreciate you guyscoming down and talking and
understanding and and engagingwith them. So so it's always,
it's always an important day forpublic education at the State
House, during IEA lobby day thatwill be as as always. It is on
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the Martin Luther King holidaythat gives educators the day,
which typically gives educatorsa day off, and gives them the
chance to come down to the StateHouse. So it's an important day,
and we're, we're looking forwardto IA Lobby Day this year and
having everyone back in the backin the
Lindsey Smith (22:53):
building. Yeah. I mean, it really is an incredible
event. And you touched onsomething super important that I
wish more educators knew peopleare afraid to go down because
they don't, you know, know whatit's going to be like, or
they're nervous aboutconversations. But these
lawmakers are just people, andthey really are grateful.
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They're oftentimes kind ofshocked or surprised by some of
the stories or things that wetell them in, you know,
sometimes negative ways andpositive ways, but they need to
see. You know, what we need,what our educators and schools
need so that we can besuccessful.
Mike Journee (23:28):
That's absolutely right. And it's not up to prefer
everybody. It's just completelyunderstandable folks who
wouldn't want to do somethinglike that, but at the very
least, Lindsay, we neededucators to be engaged to
understand what's going on withtheir elections, and to engage
in those elections at the locallevel, at the state level, at
the national level. So that'sthese are all important things,
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and that's what that's what madematters is really about. It's
getting educators out andgetting them to the polls and
and organizing around that. Andif you've really got an interest
you want to come to the to thelegislature, talk to your local
union president about aboutcoming to lobby
Lindsey Smith (24:06):
day. We can't just attend Lobby Day or meet
once with our legislators ifyou're more comfortable back
home. It's a great opportunityto build trust and communicate
when we're in our community. Wecan invite representatives into
our classrooms, to school andcommunity events and just keep
the lines of communication openall year, simply because public
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education and communities dependon this kind of relationship
with folks in the state house.
Mike Journee (24:34):
So legend, you mentioned that you've been doing
some work at the national levelwith the NEA, and I know, I know
quite a bit of that work waswith the Center for Education
Policy and Practice. Tell us alittle bit about that center.
What you've been doing with themthrough the years?
Lindsey Smith (24:47):
Yeah, of course.
So for the past decade, I'vebeen working directly with ed
policy and practice, with manyNEA directors from around the
states, and I really startedthis work unpacking the Every
Student. Succeeds Act. Sofederal law actually states that
educators should be involved,but we have to take our seats at
the table where decisions arebeing made. So I've done work
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around essa but also have spentsignificant time looking at the
intersectionality of racial andsocial justice and education
policy. So I've worked witheducators across the country,
guiding them as they changepolicy and practice for their
students and communities. Andthrough this work, I've gained a
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profound understanding of how tobring things back from NEA and
implement initiatives back homein Idaho, and I'm a founding
member of our IEA early careereducator committee, because of
this work and our thrivingleaders for just Schools
program.
Mike Journee (25:49):
That's right, I was going to ask you about
leaders for just schools next.
You mentioned that earlier. Tellus what that's all about.
Lindsey Smith (25:58):
Okay, so the leaders for just schools,
program is truly transformative,and I've seen firsthand how this
program has brought positivechange to classrooms and schools
across the nation, and I knewthat we had to find a way to
bring this back to our state,and we're so fortunate to have
the funding and support to makeit happen through iea's Three
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year leaders for just Schoolsprogram, we're building a
statewide network of educatorswho are prepared to advance
equitable outcomes for ourstudents. We convene during
summer institute to learntogether, and we continue the
conversation virtuallythroughout the year to work
toward individual goals andplans to strengthen our school
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communities, and we alsoreconvene in the spring each
year to meet directly withlegislators at the state house
to advocate for educationalequity. So just it really
doesn't get much better thanthat.
Mike Journee (26:56):
Equity is such an important part of public
education. It's the heart ofpublic education, it's what we
always talk about. Public schooleducation should be equitable
across the state. Shouldn'tmatter if you live in Boise, it
shouldn't matter if you live insalmon, it shouldn't matter if
you live in Nez Perce. Andunfortunately, our policies
don't allow for that, especiallyhere in Idaho. And so I
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appreciate your leadership onthat and and the work that
you're doing there.
Lindsey Smith (27:21):
Yeah, Mike, I really appreciate you saying
that our participants in theprogram really are changing
schools and communities and thelives of people in those places.
So just a couple of things tohighlight that have been going
really well. We've been lookingat inequities in resource and
facility funding, particularlyin our rural communities, and
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just creating programs andevents that promote
inclusiveness and belonging inour schools, and working every
day to insist that our studentshave the resources that they
need to live in theirbrilliance.
Mike Journee (27:58):
I love that phrase, live in their
brilliance, wonderful. SoLindsey, I'm going to wrap up
with one more question. You'vegot some pretty big shoes to
fill as any director followingPeggy. Hoy, we mentioned Peggy
earlier, and you said you spentsome time with Peggy. What kind
of advice has Peggy given you asyou've taken over the role,
Lindsey Smith (28:17):
Peggy had been an incredible source of strength
and guidance for me over thesepast few months, she's told me
that my voice, my values and myvision are exactly what the NEA
Board needs right now, and sheencouraged me to speak boldly
and ask the tough questions. Shealso encouraged me to never
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underestimate the power ofshowing up and being the person
that others look to for courage,and I know Peggy has certainly
been one of those people for me,and I know she'll always be here
as a sounding board for me, butthe best advice she's given me
is to trust my leadership, toalways lift up the stories and
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voices of our Idaho educators,and to make this journey, my own
Mike Journee (29:04):
wonderful advice from a fantastic member and a
great leader in our union. Socongratulations on that, and
thanks to Peggy for all thelong, hard work that she's done
in this role over the pastseveral years. So it's
wonderful. Well, Lindsay, thankyou for your time today. It's
been wonderful chatting with youabout your new role as as NEA
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director for Idaho. I want towish you all the best and good
luck in this new role. It's animportant role, an important
time for public education. Ithink you're a wonderful person
to step into it, and I lookforward to watching the work
that you're going to do over thenext several years.
Lindsey Smith (29:44):
Thank you, Mike, this has been great.
Mike Journee (29:55):
Thank you for listening to this episode of the
IA reporter podcast, and thanksto Lindsay Smith. For taking
time out of her busy schedule totalk with us. Please watch for
updates about new podcastepisodes on IEA social media
channels, or sign up to receiveIEA reporter email updates on
our website@idahoea.org, I'mMike Journee, and as always, I
hope you'll join me in thankingIdaho's public school educators
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for everything they do for ourstate's students, families and
public schools. You.
Journee, welcome to the IAEA reporter podcast, a
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regular discussion about thenews and events important to
Idaho Education Associationmembers and those who value
public education. IAEA membersare public school educators from
all over the state and membersof the largest union in Idaho.
They're Idaho's most importanteducation experts, and they use
their influence to fight for afree, quality and equitable
public education for everystudent in the state. I'm Mike
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Journee, communications directorat DIA and I'll be your host for
this episode today. Our guest isLindsay Smith, IAEA, newly
elected NEA director. Lindsay isa 16 year veteran educator who
teaches gifted education andleadership at Sacagawea Middle
School in Lewiston. He's a veryactive union member and leader
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in Lewiston EducationAssociation, as well as taking
on regional, statewide andnational responsibilities, he
was elected to her new positionas Idaho's representative on the
National Education Association'sBoard of Directors earlier this
year, and took her seatofficially on September 1. In
this role, she also served as amember of iea's Board of
Directors and sits on itsexecutive committee. The IEA
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reporter podcast caught up withLindsay after a recent school
day to discuss her vision forher new role and her perspective
on the union's importance.
Lindsay Smith, thank you so muchfor joining us on the IAEA
reporter podcast. It's reallygreat to have you here. I've
been thinking about this, havingthis conversation with you for a
bit, so it's really great tohave you here.
Lindsey Smith (01:40):
Welcome. Thank you, Mike. I'm happy to be here.
Mike Journee (01:44):
So Lindsay, as we heard in your introduction,
you've been a very active memberof the IEA for quite a while
now. What What made you want tobe Idaho's representative on the
NEA board of directors?
Lindsey Smith (01:56):
That is a great question. Honestly, the union
has played such a significantrole in my journey as an
educator, honestly, hasconsistently been a source of
strength and solidarity for me,especially when it comes to
navigating all of the joys andchallenges of being an educator
in Idaho, I deeply value theexperiences I've had as part of
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my local and as a leader in theIEA, and I've been very involved
with national work over the pastdecade. So I think it's through
those experiences I reallyrealized that the role of Nea
director was something I trulywanted to pursue, and I've
gained so much perspective andhave built connections with
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educators all around thecountry, and put me in a unique
position to dive right into thiswork head first and continue to
advocate for what matters themost, which is a great public
school for every student inIdaho.
Mike Journee (02:55):
It's a shift for you. You've been you've been
doing some national work, butyou've been really involved in
your local tell us about yourrole a little bit. What are your
responsibilities when you sit onthe NEA board of directors?
Lindsey Smith (03:06):
So the role of Nea director is really all about
connection and advocacy, ourcritical liaison between their
state affiliate and the NationalEducation Association. So at its
core about making sure educatorsfrom Idaho have a strong voice
at the national level, so wehelp shape and monitor policies
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that impact public educationacross the country. We stay in
the know with what's happeningin local schools. Get a lot of
feedback from members and bringthat insight into NEA strategic
planning process, but we alsowork closely with Congress. So
directors meet with lawmakers.
We advocate for all kinds ofthings like better working
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conditions, fair pay. We speakup and out against vouchers. So
I mean, it's really acollaborative role, working side
by side with state leadership toadvance our mission and
legislative priorities.
Mike Journee (04:10):
You're going to be doing a lot more at the national
level, national policies, andyou're going to be stepping into
that role at perhaps one of themost challenging times for
public education since publiceducation has been around in our
country. How are you going toapproach that dynamic that we're
seeing, not only in Washington,but right here in Boise, at the
at the Statehouse in Boise withour Idaho legislature? How are
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you going to approach that thethe anti public education focus
that so many policy makers have,both in Washington and at the
state
Lindsey Smith (04:45):
level, and that really is daunting. And you are
absolutely correct, this is,without a doubt, a challenging
time for public education acrossthe entire nation. So in fact,
our NEA pride. President, BeckyPringle, she just commended our
group of incoming directors forchoosing this path and walking
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directly toward the fire when itmakes total sense to run in the
other direction. But I findcomfort in knowing that I'm not
alone. Our work is fundamentalto the nation, and I fully
accept the profound trust that'sbeen placed in me so we could
spend the entire day kind ofromanticizing and giving power
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to the problem, but I want tokeep choosing to speak the
language of possibility, so weare not here to fight back, but
to fight forward together forour students, it's really a yes
and situation. So yes, theconditions are rough, and we
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will advocate to fulfill thepromise of public education. And
if I can find the courage tostand in my power during the
tough times, then I will beworthy of my students.
Mike Journee (06:06):
Wow. Well said, Thank you for that. Thanks. Are
there any specific things thatyou hope to accomplish for Idaho
and for IEA members in this newrole?
Lindsey Smith (06:18):
You know, I really just want to stay
grounded and keep my head up. Somy ultimate goal is to stay
connected to what impacts ourIdaho educators and students. My
plan is to actively seek storiesand input from educators around
the state. I want to lift up oureducator voices and remind all
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of our members of the importanceof political action, and I
really think that if I do thosethings, my next steps will
identify themselves. Fantastic.
Mike Journee (06:51):
Well, let's zero in a little bit closer to home.
Lindsay, it's a new school year,and until this year, you've
taught English language arts andsocial studies at Sacagawea
Middle School in Lewiston, butyou got new role this year,
along with your new role withthe with the IEA in the union,
you got a new role at yourschool. Tell us a little about
that teens and how the newschool year is going so far.
(07:13):
Yeah, you
Lindsey Smith (07:14):
know it it feels good to be back in the classroom
with students. They have a lotof energy at the middle level,
and they're so curious, and itreminds me every single day why
I chose this work and why Icontinue to advocate for public
schools. So a lot of peopledon't know this about me, but I
started my career in giftededucation all those years ago,
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and I have been teaching sixthgrade for several years now, so
a dear friend and colleague ofmine came to me and she told me
that she'd be retiring at theend of last year, and I knew it
was time to step back into thisrole. So I'm actually teaching
gifted education and leadershipclasses for all three grade
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levels at the middle school andmiddle schoolers, they really do
have so much potential to be aforce of good in this world, and
I love that I get to help leadthem in that direction.
Leadership has always been a bigpart of my journey as an
educator, so this new rolereally aligned with my passion.
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I'm excited to go to work everyday. My goal is to help students
discover their own leadershippotential and give them the
tools to advocate forthemselves, all about, you know,
helping them find their voiceand the ability to use it with
confidence.
Mike Journee (08:40):
Awesome, fantastic. Congratulations on
your new role and and good luckwith everything. It's, it's, it
sounds like it's right in yourwheelhouse.
Lindsey Smith (08:47):
So thanks, Mike.
Mike Journee (08:50):
How long have you been an educator? Lindsay,
Lindsey Smith (08:52):
this is my 16th year as a public school
educator,
Mike Journee (08:57):
and was all that in time in Lewiston. Where were
you before?
Lindsey Smith (09:00):
Yep, I came back to Idaho to go to Lewis Clark
State College and follow in mymy dad's footsteps. He's an
educator as well. So it wasreally nice to come back and I
was hired here in Lewiston, andI've spent my entire career
here.
Mike Journee (09:16):
It's fantastic.
When did you join the union? I
Lindsey Smith (09:20):
actually became a union member before I even
stepped into the classroom as ateacher. So it was crazy. Yeah,
it was my very first contractedday with the Liston School
District, and I vividly rememberwalking up to the building for
our back to school assembly. Iwas nervous, and I noticed that
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Lea tables were set up outside.
Everyone was excited, highenergy. People were smiling,
handing out resources, and Iremember being really curious,
and a good friend of mine toldme just to trust her to go fill
out the paperwork and that she'danswer all of my questions after
the assembly. And honestly,that's all it took. I've never
(10:01):
looked back, and it was 100% thebest professional decision I've
ever made.
Mike Journee (10:09):
Wow, that's great.
That's fantastic. And so evenlonger than your tenure as an
educator, that's fantastic.
You've been an active member inthe LEA for a long time. With
that shift in theresponsibilities that you're
having within the union, are yougoing to try to stay involved
with your local
Lindsey Smith (10:25):
list? Oh, absolutely. So being a building
representative in my local isone of the most challenging and
fulfilling responsibilities thatI have as part of our union. So
no matter where this work takesme, as long as I'm working in a
school building, I will continueto be a source of information
for our members and advocate forour educators and students. It's
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just a big part of who I am
Mike Journee (10:52):
that's fantastic.
You're still also, you're stillalso serving as president of IAS
region two, which is generallythe Luke the Moscow area, the
state in the surrounding area.
Are you going to be staying inthat role going forward?
Lindsey Smith (11:05):
You know, I do plan to stay, for the time
being, as region two president,and that was a hard choice. I
talked to a lot of people. I'mclose with a lot of leaders in
the Union, and we're reallystarting to build momentum in
region two, and with me in thisrole, and I've immensely enjoyed
working with local presidentsand members in our region, and
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we have a few criticallegislative races coming up in
the next year, and I'm honoredto help guide these incredible
leaders as they navigate thesechallenging times. I mean, I get
to do this work.
Mike Journee (11:41):
Well, we're lucky to have you. You're gonna have a
lot of you play. You're right.
There's, there's lot, lots ofwork coming up. We're gonna talk
about many matters here in justa little bit, but there's a lot
going on so, so legend, you're,you're elected in this role in
May, and you took your seat onthe board, the NEA board on
September 1. But I know fromsocial media feeds that you you
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haven't been taking it easy.
You've been out and about doinga lot of union work. Can you
give us a rundown on what you'vebeen up to this
Lindsey Smith (12:12):
summer? Yes, so I've been a little bit
everywhere this summer, that'sfor sure. I started summer with
onboarding activities in Boise,and I just want to say that I
have felt so supported as theincoming NEA director Idaho
really is a special affiliate.
I've talked to a lot of otherincoming directors, and not all
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states have prepared theirincoming directors with the care
and detail that our IEA leadershave over the past few months,
and I am so grateful for that.
My next adventure was in BatonRouge, so Peggy and I traveled
down to help Louisiana educatorsbuild capacity and protect their
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union membership.
Mike Journee (12:58):
And then that's Peggy gorge, the outgoing NEA
director,
Lindsey Smith (13:01):
yep, yep. I've spent a lot of time with Peggy
this summer, and she'd been agreat source of information for
me. I traveled to Portlandshortly after that for
representative assembly, and Iwas an elected Idaho delegate,
so I got to engage in all ofthose responsibilities, but I
also was able to shadow Peggyand learn more about what
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Director work looks like inaction. I got to go to the new
NEA director luncheon with NEAleadership and experience my
first NEA board meeting asdirector elect. And I just have
to tell you, it was so inspiringto see the board in action, and
it makes me really excited tojoin this group of advocates.
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For sure, I flew to Baltimore asan alumni, veteran facilitator
for NEA leaders for just school,and I spent a week there working
with members from across thenation as they prepared to go
back to their own communitiesand advance educational equity.
And then I flew back to Idaho afew days after, a few days
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before summer institute, and Igot to attend one day of our IEA
leaders for just school Summit,and spend some time at the
social with some of my favoriteeducators from Idaho. And then I
boarded a plane that nextmorning at 5am and flew to
Washington, DC for missionorientation. And that's kind of
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where NEA prepares incomingdirectors for our new roles. And
then I flew directly fromWashington, DC back to Boise to
attend the IEA board meeting asNEA director elect. And that was
invaluable, because I got tocontinue to learn from Peggy and
IEA leadership as I take on thisnew role. Wow, it was a busy
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time.
Mike Journee (14:57):
That's a packed summer. That's a packed summer
you've been. All over the place.
I knew. I didn't know all ofthose things. I knew some of
those things from following youon social media, but that's,
that's wonderful. And thank youso much for all that you've
you're doing for IEA members.
That's wonderful.
Lindsey Smith (15:11):
Of course, it was, it was wild, but it was
worth it, for sure.
Mike Journee (15:15):
So you're going to be heading back to DC. I know in
October there's going to be anNDA board meeting, but there's
also, it's also going tocoincide with super week, I
believe, right, it will tell usa little bit about Super week,
and what you're going to bedoing there. You mentioned, you
mentioned, going to be speakingwith Congress and our
congressional delegation. Tellus a little bit about about how
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super week works.
Lindsey Smith (15:38):
Well, it's a little different for incoming
directors, we get to go out aday early and just be really
prepared another onboardingexperience for us to make sure
we're comfortable. But yeah, weget to we get briefed on our
legislative priorities and talkabout the things that are most
important for public schools,and then we go in and we talk to
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Congress and their staff aboutwhat we need in our states, what
we're hearing around the state,and what's important to
educators and students backhome. It's going
Mike Journee (16:10):
to be another busy time for you. I know that that
was important work that alwaysgets done with our congressional
delegation, and couldn't be moreimportant than than it is right
now. So good luck with all that.
Thank you. So let's talk alittle bit about May matters. I
mentioned it earlier, butthrough our for our listeners
that may matters of ieasorganizing campaign to activate
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members and vote and and worktowards returning a pro public
education majority to the statehouse this this spring, during
the May primary elections, andwe'll talk a little bit more
about that in here in a minute.
But, but I know you've beentalking a lot with members about
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May matters. What are youhearing from them about about
May matters, and how are youapproaching
Lindsey Smith (16:58):
that? I am so grateful for the opportunity to
talk about the May Matterscampaign today. So as many know,
I was the co author of newbusiness item number one at this
year's delegate assembly, andthis effort is central to my
values as an educator. I'd beentraveling around this past month
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to meet with educators fromdifferent regions and to talk
about the importance of showingup in voting in May primaries,
and we really have uniquesituations and opportunities in
each region and legislativedistrict this May May matters is
really about making educatorsvoices heard. It's not about
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political identity, which isdeeply personal, but about
policy outcomes. So publicschool funding decisions are
shaped in the May primary, andwe need educators around the
state to understand that and torealize the importance and value
of showing up in May and votingfor the folks who are going to
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do right by education, and ourcurrent reality in Idaho
politics just is not working.
Public schools are absolutelyunder attack, and we have the
power to show up in numbers andsay, enough is enough.
Mike Journee (18:16):
That's right. And I think you touched on the
really important part of this,and that's there's only so much
that you can do with thelegislature, but it's determined
to dismantle public educationand our May Matters campaign is
all about returning a pro publiceducation majority to the State
House. Anyone who wants to knowmore about May matters can go to
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our website. I do ea.org,backslash may dash matters, or
you can use the top navigationour website to find our landing
page. There's going to be a lotmore communications going out to
members here in coming monthsabout this. Lindsay, we're going
to be talking a lot about this,but you said a lot, right there.
Is there anything else you'dlike to say to members about the
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importance of this campaign,
Lindsey Smith (19:01):
I just want to reiterate that. I mean, the
future of public educationdepends on us registering to
vote and showing up at thepolls, and we know we still have
educators who need to registerand do just that. So I want
members to understand thepotential we have to make
positive change. And there's somany ways to be involved in this
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work, so whether you're ready toknock on doors or help find
candidates to run for office ormake phone calls, or if you just
want to be informed, there's aplace for you in this movement,
and we need your voice to helpshape the future of education
for our students.
Mike Journee (19:40):
That's right, and we know that that that better
than eight out of 10 legislativeseats in the legislature are
decided during the May primaryelection. We know that, and we
we also know that,unfortunately, educators aren't
filling up to vote for the propublic education candidates in
those elections. So that's whatthis is about. We're getting out
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we're going to organize membersand try to get them to the polls
so that we can make a differenceat the Idaho State House.
Absolutely. So Lindsay, you'vebeen an active part of iea's
Government Relations Committeeand the political action
committee for education throughthe years. You participated in
IA lobby day a number of times.
That's the day that almost 200Idaho educators from the IEA
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descend on the State House totalk directly to lawmakers.
You've talked very eloquentlyabout the importance of made
matters and being involved. Whyis it so important to be active
around education policy, and whydo you think other members
should get involved in that
Lindsey Smith (20:40):
way? This work is so important for me, being
present in the State House andbuilding real relationships with
lawmakers is invaluable. Itmakes the whole difference and
allows elected officials tofully understand how to
represent the communities thatthey serve. Leaders bring
something really important tothe table, because we see
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firsthand what's happening everyday in our classrooms and
schools, and oftentimes ourlawmakers just don't have, you
know, that insight andunderstanding of what it really
looks like, so we can tell thatreal story and just help it's so
valuable. I mean, our teachersare so valuable, and our
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communities love our schools andour educators, and we need to
tell that story so publicschools are not failing, and we
need to make sure that that'sheard far and wide. The
narrative starts at home withour policy makers, and when we
talk to them, directly, withthem, like human beings, it
helps make sure policies don'tcome from guesswork or
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assumptions, but actuallyreflect what students and
educators need, and that kind ofopen conversation is key to
building strong public schools.
Mike Journee (21:55):
That's right. One of the things that that our star
lobbyists, Chris Perry and MattCompton say a lot down about
about they're very goodlobbyists. They'll tell you, and
I agree with them, but they'llthey but they also say that the
best lobbyists, the best, thebest, most effective folks that
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can go down to the state houseand talk are educators and
lawmakers by and large. Reallyappreciate them being there.
Really appreciate you guyscoming down and talking and
understanding and and engagingwith them. So so it's always,
it's always an important day forpublic education at the State
House, during IEA lobby day thatwill be as as always. It is on
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the Martin Luther King holidaythat gives educators the day,
which typically gives educatorsa day off, and gives them the
chance to come down to the StateHouse. So it's an important day,
and we're, we're looking forwardto IA Lobby Day this year and
having everyone back in the backin the
Lindsey Smith (22:53):
building. Yeah. I mean, it really is an incredible
event. And you touched onsomething super important that I
wish more educators knew peopleare afraid to go down because
they don't, you know, know whatit's going to be like, or
they're nervous aboutconversations. But these
lawmakers are just people, andthey really are grateful.
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They're oftentimes kind ofshocked or surprised by some of
the stories or things that wetell them in, you know,
sometimes negative ways andpositive ways, but they need to
see. You know, what we need,what our educators and schools
need so that we can besuccessful.
Mike Journee (23:28):
That's absolutely right. And it's not up to prefer
everybody. It's just completelyunderstandable folks who
wouldn't want to do somethinglike that, but at the very
least, Lindsay, we neededucators to be engaged to
understand what's going on withtheir elections, and to engage
in those elections at the locallevel, at the state level, at
the national level. So that'sthese are all important things,
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and that's what that's what madematters is really about. It's
getting educators out andgetting them to the polls and
and organizing around that. Andif you've really got an interest
you want to come to the to thelegislature, talk to your local
union president about aboutcoming to lobby
Lindsey Smith (24:06):
day. We can't just attend Lobby Day or meet
once with our legislators ifyou're more comfortable back
home. It's a great opportunityto build trust and communicate
when we're in our community. Wecan invite representatives into
our classrooms, to school andcommunity events and just keep
the lines of communication openall year, simply because public
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education and communities dependon this kind of relationship
with folks in the state house.
Mike Journee (24:34):
So legend, you mentioned that you've been doing
some work at the national levelwith the NEA, and I know, I know
quite a bit of that work waswith the Center for Education
Policy and Practice. Tell us alittle bit about that center.
What you've been doing with themthrough the years?
Lindsey Smith (24:47):
Yeah, of course.
So for the past decade, I'vebeen working directly with ed
policy and practice, with manyNEA directors from around the
states, and I really startedthis work unpacking the Every
Student. Succeeds Act. Sofederal law actually states that
educators should be involved,but we have to take our seats at
the table where decisions arebeing made. So I've done work
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around essa but also have spentsignificant time looking at the
intersectionality of racial andsocial justice and education
policy. So I've worked witheducators across the country,
guiding them as they changepolicy and practice for their
students and communities. Andthrough this work, I've gained a
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profound understanding of how tobring things back from NEA and
implement initiatives back homein Idaho, and I'm a founding
member of our IEA early careereducator committee, because of
this work and our thrivingleaders for just Schools
program.
Mike Journee (25:49):
That's right, I was going to ask you about
leaders for just schools next.
You mentioned that earlier. Tellus what that's all about.
Lindsey Smith (25:58):
Okay, so the leaders for just schools,
program is truly transformative,and I've seen firsthand how this
program has brought positivechange to classrooms and schools
across the nation, and I knewthat we had to find a way to
bring this back to our state,and we're so fortunate to have
the funding and support to makeit happen through iea's Three
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year leaders for just Schoolsprogram, we're building a
statewide network of educatorswho are prepared to advance
equitable outcomes for ourstudents. We convene during
summer institute to learntogether, and we continue the
conversation virtuallythroughout the year to work
toward individual goals andplans to strengthen our school
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communities, and we alsoreconvene in the spring each
year to meet directly withlegislators at the state house
to advocate for educationalequity. So just it really
doesn't get much better thanthat.
Mike Journee (26:56):
Equity is such an important part of public
education. It's the heart ofpublic education, it's what we
always talk about. Public schooleducation should be equitable
across the state. Shouldn'tmatter if you live in Boise, it
shouldn't matter if you live insalmon, it shouldn't matter if
you live in Nez Perce. Andunfortunately, our policies
don't allow for that, especiallyhere in Idaho. And so I
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appreciate your leadership onthat and and the work that
you're doing there.
Lindsey Smith (27:21):
Yeah, Mike, I really appreciate you saying
that our participants in theprogram really are changing
schools and communities and thelives of people in those places.
So just a couple of things tohighlight that have been going
really well. We've been lookingat inequities in resource and
facility funding, particularlyin our rural communities, and
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just creating programs andevents that promote
inclusiveness and belonging inour schools, and working every
day to insist that our studentshave the resources that they
need to live in theirbrilliance.
Mike Journee (27:58):
I love that phrase, live in their
brilliance, wonderful. SoLindsey, I'm going to wrap up
with one more question. You'vegot some pretty big shoes to
fill as any director followingPeggy. Hoy, we mentioned Peggy
earlier, and you said you spentsome time with Peggy. What kind
of advice has Peggy given you asyou've taken over the role,
Lindsey Smith (28:17):
Peggy had been an incredible source of strength
and guidance for me over thesepast few months, she's told me
that my voice, my values and myvision are exactly what the NEA
Board needs right now, and sheencouraged me to speak boldly
and ask the tough questions. Shealso encouraged me to never
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underestimate the power ofshowing up and being the person
that others look to for courage,and I know Peggy has certainly
been one of those people for me,and I know she'll always be here
as a sounding board for me, butthe best advice she's given me
is to trust my leadership, toalways lift up the stories and
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voices of our Idaho educators,and to make this journey, my own
Mike Journee (29:04):
wonderful advice from a fantastic member and a
great leader in our union. Socongratulations on that, and
thanks to Peggy for all thelong, hard work that she's done
in this role over the pastseveral years. So it's
wonderful. Well, Lindsay, thankyou for your time today. It's
been wonderful chatting with youabout your new role as as NEA
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director for Idaho. I want towish you all the best and good
luck in this new role. It's animportant role, an important
time for public education. Ithink you're a wonderful person
to step into it, and I lookforward to watching the work
that you're going to do over thenext several years.
Lindsey Smith (29:44):
Thank you, Mike, this has been great.
Mike Journee (29:55):
Thank you for listening to this episode of the
IA reporter podcast, and thanksto Lindsay Smith. For taking
time out of her busy schedule totalk with us. Please watch for
updates about new podcastepisodes on IEA social media
channels, or sign up to receiveIEA reporter email updates on
our website@idahoea.org, I'mMike Journee, and as always, I
hope you'll join me in thankingIdaho's public school educators
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for everything they do for ourstate's students, families and
public schools. You.
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
Cardiac Cowboys
The heart was always off-limits to surgeons. Cutting into it spelled instant death for the patient. That is, until a ragtag group of doctors scattered across the Midwest and Texas decided to throw out the rule book. Working in makeshift laboratories and home garages, using medical devices made from scavenged machine parts and beer tubes, these men and women invented the field of open heart surgery. Odds are, someone you know is alive because of them. So why has history left them behind? Presented by Chris Pine, CARDIAC COWBOYS tells the gripping true story behind the birth of heart surgery, and the young, Greatest Generation doctors who made it happen. For years, they competed and feuded, racing to be the first, the best, and the most prolific. Some appeared on the cover of Time Magazine, operated on kings and advised presidents. Others ended up disgraced, penniless, and convicted of felonies. Together, they ignited a revolution in medicine, and changed the world.