2SE17: Should Marihuana be legal?

We are joined by former Republican legislator, Don Murphy, AKA "The Pot Lobbyist".
We discuss the pros cons and everything in between regarding marihuana legislation, why it should pass and why he believes President Trump with sign it into law.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Welcome to igh is going to road. Today's Friday, March
the seventh, and it's usually law enforcement Friday. We usually
have our pals, you know, Jeff Queen or Robert Arsay
or Victor Avila, you know, talking about law enforcement or
cartels or ice or what be it. But we're moving
that to next week because we have a very special guest.

(00:47):
I've been talking about it for a little while and
we finally got them booked to pot labus. Don Murphy
there is Hey Don, how are you welcome to the
show man? Thanks for coming on and hopefully you'll be
going rogue Man.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Well, yeah, in fact, I would suggest not to sort
of cut you off, but this is a very law enforcement,
uh specific issue, So I'm not sure you're kicking anything
the next week. I think we're on message here.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Well let's let's let's let's start right there. Why why
is that because we know marijuana is a drug, we
know it's illegal for a well in a lot of places,
right it's on on on the the A schedule. Why
is this a law enforcement issue?

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Well, because I would suggest that if a law is
worth having, it's worth enforcing. It's not worth enforcing, it's
not worth having. And that's that's the gist of what
I tell elected officials. Either enforce marijuana law or get
it off the books. That's what I'm hoping President Trump
will will do. And quite honestly, if anybody understands, you know,

(01:51):
law enforcement going rogue on him, law fair, he does,
and he understands. Why is it Jimmy Jones gets arrest
did for weed? A bag of weed? And you've got
people in Florida who are growing literally a ton a
week and putting it out on the street. And those
are you know, good business people. Somehow they pay taxes

(02:11):
and all of that, and they're celebrated. If you're going
to arrest Jimmy Jones for pot, you got arrest everybody
up the line as far as I'm concerned.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Hey, Don, that's a great that's a great point. That's
a super super great point. Why does somebody on the
street get arrested with a dimebag while others are growing
talent tons? Right, There's something fucked up about that. And
by the way, I know we haven't you know, talked
offline or you know, know each other from before. I
know we share a lot of the same friends, but

(02:39):
hopefully you saw the tagline as truth bombs, f bombs,
no bullshit, So let's fucking go, right, So please don't
hold back. Bring it. People want to hear the truth
and they don't like a lot of sugarcoating on the show, right,
So you know why, why does that happen? So it's
a money thing, right, It's a money thing. It's not
a law thing. It's if you have cash, then you
can do whatever the fuck you want. If you don't

(03:01):
have money, then we're gonna throw you in jail. Is
that what it is? You know?

Speaker 2 (03:05):
There there is a ton of truth to that. I
don't I don't sort of subscribe to that being the
reason marijuana is still illegal. I think marijuana is still
illegal out of ignorance and apathy.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
And empathy and apathy. Why because right.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Now, and I've been doing this for a long time,
and I'll tell you my history if you want to hear.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, please walk us through, walk us through your biocause
I didn't even introduce you. I was so excited. I
just went into the issue. So I apologize. Walk us through, please.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, we just jumped right in it. But most people
right now live in a state where marijuana, either medically
or recreationally, if you want to use that term. However,
adult use is legal, So they don't understand or even
maybe even care what is going on in Washington, why
Washington needs to move. But money is a big deal,

(03:56):
for sure. But let me give you the nickel tour
on my history. I spent eight years in the Mariyland Legislature.
I ran for office after my wife was held up
in an arm robbery. I ran against the House majority
leader in nineteen ninety four in a district that had
never elected a Republican. I had no business running for office. Surprise, surprise,

(04:17):
I win. I get elected to a four year term,
and I'm basically voting to lock up everybody. But after
I got re elected in ninety eight, I was introduced
to a guy's name is Darryl Putman. He was a
lieutenant colonel in the army. Here's his picture. Everything I've
done in the last twenty five years is because of him.
He asked me, he said, he said, do you think

(04:40):
I'm a criminal because I used marijuana with my doctor's
approval to stimulate my appetite. My dad had just died
a couple of years earlier. I didn't know anything about
marijuana as medicine. I just didn't. Now for those at
a certain age, you wouldn't understand, well, why didn't you
just google it? Because in nineteen ninety four, nineteen ninety
we didn't have any that right, I didn't know what

(05:02):
other states were doing with California was doing. It never
occurred to me. Would I have gotten for him? Absolutely absolutely,
And I defy anybody to say otherwise. Right that they would.
They would do whatever is necessary for their loved ones,
and those folks should not be facing criminal penalties. It's
just that simple. So he says to me, you think

(05:23):
I'm a criminal? And I said no. I had to
think about it just a second. I'm like no, because
I thought this was a trick question in a kind
of buton, And I said, no, I don't believe you're
a criminal. And he said, well, the law says I'm
a criminal, and you're a lawmaker. So unless you do
something to change the law or attempt to change the law,

(05:45):
you think I'm a criminal. In those words, when I
tell people how important it is for them to tell
their stories to elected officials, they don't believe it because
they'd say, money talks, and they any care about money. No, No,
elected officials do not. Elected officials need to be educated.
And if elected officials do the wrong thing because they're ignorant,

(06:05):
it's our fault. It's our sixty seventy eighty percent of
the population agrees with us on this, and yet somehow
elected officials or don't understand. They don't understand because they
don't have a reason to understand. They haven't been encouraged
to understand. All they know is what they saw in
the wire unless we do something to change that. So anyway,

(06:28):
that's kind of my story in a nutshell. I didn't
run for reelection. The Marijuana Policy Project had come in
to testify all my bill, which ultimately became law after
I left office, and they said, would you go around
and talk to Republicans in these red states or these
states where Republicans control one chamber or the other. And

(06:50):
I said sure, And so they basically paid my expenses
to fly to a dozen or so states and talk
to Republicans and I've kind of been doing it ever since.
So it's just one of those things that like once
I got into I couldn't get out of. I was
you know, to use your term, I was the pot guy.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah right, that's what I was about to say. And
lo and behold, you became the pot lobbyist, right right.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
It's like it's like Bob Denver who played Gilligan. He
couldn't get another party.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
That's right, that's right, that's right. That's hilarious. And you know,
I'm also from Maryland, the People's Republic of Maryland. It is,
you know, I moved, you know, I grew up there
and moved out of Florida. You know, back in two
thousand and four or a year before I got married.
I was going to stay down here for five years,
ended up being twenty. Really got plugged into Florida politics

(07:37):
really heavy, and went back in twenty fourteen and joined
Diane at the MDGOB as Hispanic Leadership councilor chair, and
you know, helped the whole Hogan thing, and then joined
the Trump campaign as a media surrogate for fifteen sixteen
and and then became a surrogate for the administration in
the RNC for Spanish language media for the four years.
But I'm going to tell you it was the biggest

(07:59):
disappoint in my life moving back home it's not the
same place where I grew up. Everybody is fucking insane.
Their moon bats. I think they need a psychiatrist and
and probably a lot of benzos. I don't know what's
happened to those people, but it's not it's not a

(08:20):
place I can call home anymore. And and you know,
I I came back home. You know, that's why I
have those two flags behind me, the US flag in
the floor, in the Florida flag. As you know, I
saw a family I saw have some friends in in
in Maryland, but most of my friends growing up, you know,
got got got got injected with the Trump arrangement syndrome,

(08:43):
you know, with with that virus. And it's amazing how
people you know will turn on you because of Trump.
It's it's it's it's crazy what's happened to people.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
I am a unique situation here that I was a
three times Trump RNC convention delegate. They're not a lot
of people. I think they're about ten in the state
of Maryland. And I'll guess if you extrapolate, probably less
than five hundred across the country who were Trump convention
delegates in sixteen, twenty and four.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
And all that yeah, man, that's that's something else. So there's.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Oh, by the way, by the way, let me just
point out for people who think, well, Trump's not good
on this issue, I don't understand in what world anybody
thinks that somebody like me, the pot lobbyist, could be
a Trump convention delegate three times, being vetted three times
for this, all the things I've done and said about
cannabis policy, and yet he's okay with me representing him

(09:49):
at the convention.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
That's a great point. By the way, that's.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
One of those things like, well, I think he's better
than you think. And I'm exhibit a why I would
not be at the convention. No if I was, you know,
had a position that was so contrary to his. And
I'll tell you the dirty little secret is in this
last election, Trump was the cannabis candidate. He was the
pro He he endorsed and voted for and supported Measure

(10:16):
UH three in Florida, which is legalization. That is something that.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yeah, you know, that's a great point because we saw
that he supported that here in Florida, yet Desantas opposed it,
and you know, and and the Santas won that that
that battle, right and here did he did he? I
mean three yeah, yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
A majority of Floridians opposed him on that issue.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
And yeah, I mean, look, you had to get sixty percent.
It was tough, you know, yes, got fifty five point
nine fifty six percent. He was short by a little bit.
It was close, man. But look, the reality is that
they that that Ron DeSantis in that side, you know,
really really had a great campaign. They they they brought

(11:09):
it back to one point that really resonated with everybody,
and he said, you know that the issue here is
not legalization. The issue is that only one company controls
it and they wrote the bill and that's not fair.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Trust me that.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
I was like, oh shit, really, okay, you know what,
let him pass it again. Bro let him pass it again,
you know, let them let them come up with another bill.
But no way, I.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Did not pull I didn't pull my punches with with
the company that ran it.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Look.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
I appreciate that they spent a lot of money to
do something no one else would do, but it was
a my way or the highway attitude. And people saw
that and they felt that, you know, and and they
voted accordingly. And it's it's too bad because it it
gives the opposition a chance to claim some hollow victory
even when a majority proved in a majority supported our

(12:02):
position on this. Now, look, I just want to give
DeSantis a little credit in in d C. When he
was in on Capitol Hill, he was very good on
air issue, very good. He voted for all of the
federalism perspective on this right, the state's rights, letting the states.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
Use this idea.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
He was. I rated him, I'd given him an a
rating he gets.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
You know, I love line, but I don't want it. Yeah,
he's a great governor. He's not a great job here.
You know. It's it's fascinating because you know he's you know,
he's beat Trump's margins both times, you know, and by
a lot, you know, in his his and his victories.
Right well, in the first one, not really, but in
the in the second one, I mean he won by

(12:51):
was it like almost eighteen percent and Trump won by
like eleven or twelve. You know, I got it.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
I got to sort of jump in here. Those were
two different elections, right one is a statewide wins a
federal and and so that the turnout model is different.
So you can say that you can boast that if
you're him, But really, did it really work out that way?

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Well? You know what it it kind of did. And
I'm a Trump guy, dude, I'm a Trump guy before
DeSantis any day of the week. Uh and and twice
on Sunday. But you know that that was a whole
argument is hey, you know what we want. We won
Florida by a bigger margin. We did this. Yeah, but
it was you know, it's a midterm election, right, the
turnout is an issue, and you know, and and and
I get that, but on Amendment three, it was it

(13:35):
was it was a push of wheels, is who's gonna win? Right?
Is it gonna be the Santas or Trump? And you know, look,
if you if you look at majority, Trump won fifty
six percent, right, but you know he didn't get to sixty, right,
So they they kind of they kind of took that
as a consolation prize and said, hey, you know, Trump
kicked our ass in the fucking primary. Uh, but we
won on Amendment three. Right. Uh So it's kind of funny.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Where it mattered. In New Hampshire, Trump won like when
they were both running against each other from one and
let's be honest, DeSantis kind of looks bad, you know,
and I know since you're down there. DeSantis was nowhere
until Trump put his thumb on the scale in that
primary for Desantas.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
And then we've talked about that race. You know, he
was down and.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
It's like, yeah, it was bad form, dude.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
He was down almost twenty points, I think I remember,
and you know, Trump endorsement, and all of a sudden
he was up by like sixteen points in a week
and it was done and it was over.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
I met DeSantis a number of times in New Hampshire.
I mean, I met him plenty of times on Capitol Hill,
but I go up to New Hampshire every four years.
I'd encourage your viewers around the country, not the ones
in Florida because the weather's too race down there in January,
but to go up in New Hampshire that week after
the Iowa caucuses and you get to go meet all

(14:57):
the candidates. It's a real good time.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
That's awesome, man. So there's a lot of and let's
talk this true, right, there's a lot of buzz or
rumors or whispering or miss or disinformation or maybe very
accurate information, you know, on the pros and cons I'd
like for you to walk us through them, but I'm

(15:22):
going to start with this. You know, there are a
lot of doctors out there that say that the brain
is not fully developed until you're twenty six years old,
and the marijuana damages the development of the brain. That's
a very key one. You know that that a lot
of people, a lot of parents. That resonates with a
lot of parents. How true is that is not true?

(15:44):
And if it is true, then shouldn't we make an
illegal till twenty six? You know, then you get into
the whole freedom right of liberty, and so walk us
through some of those pros and cons what people are
saying on both sides. This is an honest conversation. This
is not stage thing. We're not endorsing or anything, even
though I think everybody at one point in their life

(16:05):
is probably fucking tried marijuana, right, I mean realistically, so
you know it's here nor there. Talk to us stages.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Okay. So I'm not a doctor or a scientist or
any of that, so I can't speak directly to that
question or that comment. But what I can say is
this the only thing more damaging to the brain than
marijuana than than legal marijuana is illegal marijuana, right, The
marijuana that you would buy on the street corner in

(16:38):
a baggie, untested from some guy you don't know is likely,
or more likely, We'll more likely to include all kinds
of things that that the legal market will not.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Right.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
I say to my kids, I don't think using marijuana
is a good idea. Yeah, but getting caught is worse. Right,
that's the worst part about That's.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Interesting that you say that. That's interesting that you say
that you don't think it's a good idea to use marijuana.
You're the ball obvious, you know, talk to us about that.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Why I had Look, I probably shouldn't say this to
the world, but I had an a rating with the
n R on gun issues.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
But my my my little collection here, you know, this
is ah my bullpup. This is my favorite that goes
in the truck of my car every day. You know,
you know it's uh, it's it's one of my favorite toys. Look,
I I you know, I hear you. I love.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
It's not it's not worth the paperwork and the legal
hurdles I have to jump through.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Jesus Christ, let me.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Let me let me point something out if I can
if I consume cannabis, and let's just assume for a
minute I do. I'm not a huge, huge consumer, but
I won't tell you I've never done it. Of course,
if I consumer and I got that pile of hardware there,
I'm subject to federal arrest. Yeah, much like Hunter Biden.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Like the funny part is, and I have been arguing
this point for ten years. I go to the NRA,
I say, wait a second, all of your members who
consume cannabis, who have a medical.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Card in age can't have a gunner.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yep, they're violating federal law.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yep. Yeah, so I got my concealed carry went before
the Santa is legalized, though you know, no need for it.
Last year, I think. And one of the things is
do you use marijuana or do you use any ills
of drug? And I, you know, I don't you know
I have I as a kid in high school or
college years. Yeah, absolutely, I think everybody did at one
point you know here or there. But you know, I don't.

(18:54):
You know, I'm not in favor of weed, you know,
as a as a recreational thing. I think it's it
dumbs people down and makes them slow whatever. But I
understand one thing, and I'm going to go back to
your lawn law enforcement situation, and what you just mentioned
about the safety of a product is there's so much
shit out there, including you know, with any drug. You
see the fentanyl all over the place, people buying benzos,

(19:16):
buying cocaine, buying stuff, and it's laced with fentanyl, and
it's killing hundreds of thousands of Americans every year. Marijuana,
if we can control it, and it's let's say, it's
pretty harmless. It's a pretty harmless drug except for what
it does to your brain, your apathy to use a
word that you used, why not? Why not? Why not

(19:38):
make sure that people that are going to consume it.
You know, we are in the land of the Free
and the home of the brave. Right, Let them right,
Let them have the freedom to do whatever the fuck
they want behind the closed doors and the privacy of
their own home. Right. The same thing with like gay
marriage and things like that. I don't give a shit,
you know, do whatever you want, right, but at least
let's make sure that they have something that is not

(19:58):
going to kill them. Right. And I agree with you that,
you know, because I think there's standards and how you
grow it right right?

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Opponents often say to me O on Capitol Hill, this
ain't your grandfather's pot, And I'm like, all the more
reason you shouldn't buy it in a baggy, Senator like,
it should come, you know, from from people that you
can trust. Because the government oversees seed to sale, they
know what it is. They can replicate it on a
regular basis, Especially if you're a patient. You want to

(20:27):
get the same strain and the same potency time and
time again. You don't want to you know, it's not
some grab bag where you just get Oh, this is
literally a grab bag of pot. Did you get from
some guy?

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yeah, it's not. And one of the arguments that I've
heard from law enforcement is you know, well you know
and then and then there's two sides of the coin
on this is you know, well, if you legalize pot, yeah,
you know you're supposed to be buying it at these
dispensaries or these places or you know, but how do
we really know we pull somebody over, how do we

(21:03):
know that that pot is legal? Or you know, it
didn't promote more illegal business. The other side is, well,
if we legalize it, then there's going to be no
illegal market. You know, that's that's a tough one, right,
what is your position?

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Let me just let me just point this out. The
problem with that theory. And I have often said, you know,
if you want to put a dent in the illicit market,
then you legalize, you deschedule, you whatever, and you let
industry come in and scale and grow this and sell it.
But there is a price differential that people will absorb,

(21:41):
and they'll come a point where they're like, no, that's
as much as we're willing to do. The illicit market
doesn't pay minimal wages, doesn't pay healthcare, doesn't pay taxes,
doesn't pay fees. And this idea, here's the problem. The
progressive side of this. You often are yes on legalism.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
They want the hippie crowd, the hippie crowd.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
They want these licenses to go to their preferred constituency
that is not free market cannabis. Free market canabis would
ultimately create a price that would you know, would suppress
a price because people could scale, businesses could scale and
could compete with the illicit market. But not when you're

(22:23):
trying to lump you know, twenty percent, thirty percent taxes
on top, so that you can give that money out
to your disadvantaged communities.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
No.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Look, here's an example, and I love her to death.
The governor of Arkansas just signed legislation to fund and
this will get me in trouble with a big bunch
of progressives. Not that they're listening to your show.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Oh they listen, man, they listen, And I tell them,
love me or hate me, keep coming back, baby. It's
all about ratings. So yeah, they're listening.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Somebody in Arkansas they are funding school on with Pottawa.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Are you serious.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
I'm absolutely serious. I don't make anything the world. My
world is too real and rich and unbelievable to make
stuff up. So yes they are. And my argument is,
and this is a medical state, right, This is not recreation.
This is a medical Arkansas, and that patients should not
be funding school lunches for kids in Arkansas. If we believe,

(23:29):
as a society or Arkansas does, the kids should have
free and reduced lunch and kids shouldn't go hungry. I do,
but we should all pay for that. Patients should not.
This burden should not be on the backs of patients.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Well insurance companies. Do insurance companies cover medical marijuana? Now wow,
So that's another problem. Right, that's a big problem because
I would imagine it's got to be expensive. But let
me bring, let me, let me mention something done, go ahead. Good.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Honestly, I don't want insurance companies to be lumped in
with all this at this time, because if they were,
they would just be one more industry entity that would
be working against us. I just want people not to
get arrested and to get a consistent supply of medicine

(24:19):
at a fair price. Honestly, they shouldn't have to pay cash.
That's why I want safe banking. Right. They should be
able to go in with a debit card, at credit
card something and buy their medicine.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
That way.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
They shouldn't be treated as criminals.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
That's what we do right now. The President has said
he believes medical marijuana is amazing, his work amazing. Right,
we should not treat patients differently depending on what state
they live in. They should be able to go into.
And I know this will make dispensary owner heads explode,

(24:53):
but I believe one day marijuana will be ultimately treated
as medicine. In this idea that we will have medical
disp ensuries scattered around the States, will not will no
longer work.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Hey, don hold that thought. We got to go to
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Speaker 1 (26:22):
All right, So we're back. Where are we back? With Don?

Speaker 2 (26:26):
There?

Speaker 1 (26:26):
He is? So I wanted to bring something up. You
brought something that was very interesting. First of all, that
the insurance companies don't cover it. I think they should realistically,
if it's medical, it's medical, right, people should cover that
kind of like you know, they didn't cover via acuracy
alice before. Now they do, you know, test hospital replacement
theories and and and all kinds of other things. But

(26:46):
here in Florida, Here in Florida, your Don's mic is off,
by the way. Okay, he's back on. So what I
wanted to bring up is this, Here in Florida, we
use a lotto, right, and the funds in the lottery,
you know, get used for schools, education, et cetera, et cetera.
You know, there is a ton of money. I'm sure

(27:07):
that they can be raised through marijuana to fund all
kinds of programs in states. So that would be something
I think that that is a major positive, right or no,
you don't like it, Okay.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Let me. I never talk about tax revenue in the
same way everyone else does. I think the benefit to
legalizing marijuana is not because look, if you just use
it as a cash cow, you will kill the golden goose.
Right to mix my farm animal war here. You will
kill the golden goose, and the illicit market will step

(27:41):
back in. That's what I think. So No, but where
you benefit financially as a jurisdiction is the money that
you don't spend arresting, prosecuting, and incarcerating people for a plant.
And then those same people who have an arrest record
spend any time in jail or any time in the

(28:04):
criminal justice system. They lose their ability to have jobs
that are commensurate with their skill set, so they make
less money and they pay less taxes. It's it's just
wrong on every level, right, This is that's an interesting Idically,
I think these jurisdictions, and the federal government too, is
complicit in this whole thing. Right they collect billions of

(28:28):
dollars in tax revenue from cannabis sales, yet they deem
it illegal, which is it. It's inconsistent at best, hypocritical
at worse that the federal government continues to do this.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
So you've been working on this for years. Now. How
do you see decades?

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Actually, yeah, yeah, how.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Do you see this happening now? I mean we have
the House, we have the Senate, we have the White House.
Do you think there's enough political capital now to get
this three?

Speaker 2 (29:00):
I do. I think I think we are in a
very We're in the perfect storm here. We have a
president who doesn't just give lip service to this. He's
actually done more by his own vote in Florida to
say I don't just believe in this, I actually voted

(29:21):
for it. And now we just need him to do
the same thing at the federal level. I don't have
to sell a president on why this is the right
thing to do. And I was quoted in an article
the other day. I said, progressives will still hate you.
They may hate you less, but they'll still hate you.
It won't, Matt, But it is the right thing to do.
And when you look at all these inconsistencies in state

(29:42):
and federal law, and you know why we don't enforce
federal law, you know why don't we do it? If
you don't believe, you think I'm wrong, then go arrest
these people who run these big multi state operations because
they are putting out tons of pot on the street
every week. Uh, stop messing around with Jimmy Jones on

(30:03):
street corner and go go after the big guys. That
would stop this whole thing in a second. But how
would he believes?

Speaker 1 (30:10):
Yeah, and that's all right, guy, And you know what
you just you said something that is so true and
so fact. It's a fact, right, a hard, hard public fact.
And people still don't don't don't believe is Oh, Trump
is never going to sign a bill legalizing marijuana. I
was like, what the fuck are you talking about? He
fucking put his whole weight behind Amendment three in Florida,

(30:33):
publicly endorsing Amendment three, the legalization of fucking recreational use?
What what what part of these against it? Did you
did you miss? You know? And I agree with you,
don I think this is this is the right time.
I think if if we can get it past the
House in the Senate, the President will sign that bill.
The issue is this, and this is why I think

(30:55):
it'll fail, is because the Democrats are going to tie
it in with so much pork and crap that they're
not going to send a saying alone fucking bill to
the president. That's the problem.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
You're right. I agree with that that they have been.
They have been a big problem. They won't even Yeah,
they would not even advance.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
It's funny.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
The House sent a very pork laden bill to the
Democrat controlled Senate. They didn't even hearing on it. So
don't tell me Democrats are our friends when it comes
to all this. They did not even hold a hearing
on on what does refer to as the More Act,
which is in the weeds, not going to happen. But
Republicans need to put cannabis legalization, descheduling, whatever, the Prepare Act,

(31:41):
the States Act in maybe the Farm Bill, some omnibus bill,
some big beautiful bill, which honestly I don't subscribe to
big beautiful bills because they're full of crap.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yeah right, it's.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Got to have a little peace and next thing, you know,
you've got trillion dollar deficits. So uh, I think the
president can get this done. I know he needs Congress,
but let's be honest, there aren't too many Republicans in
Congress that are going to stand up to the President
on this issue. They may not like it, but it
is not a hillworth dying on. I talk to these

(32:16):
members every day they may not be good, but they're
not gonna They're not gonna blow themselves up. Let me
tell you something. I had a conversation just yesterday with
a senator. I said, what do you think of Mark
Vogue getting released from from from Russia? He said, I
think it's great? And I said, really, like, why is
that great? But if Mark vogel Vogo had gotten caught

(32:39):
here was in the same kind of prison, you wouldn't
think it was great. If you was like, like, you know,
like you're you're being inconsistent here. We you know, we
as a country should not fall all over ourselves for
people who are arrested in other countries when we're doing
the same thing here.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Mister Burdus, right, just say you a bill that I want.
I want the pot lobbyist to walk us through because
this is an important bill, the banking bill, you know,
on marijuana. Talk to us about that. I know they
tried to pass it in the pass and it didn't
get the boats. Walk us through that while he pulls
it up and puts out.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Nope, nope, nope, no. I don't think anybody cares about
the details of the banking bill, other than if it
were to pass, there would be the opportunity for people
to go in and use credit cards. And not only that,
but forget the patients for a minute. There are five
hundred thousand people in this industry. Many of them are

(33:40):
low wage, sort of entry level. You know. They work
to counter They do the clippings, they do all the terms,
the deal of a planning, all that stuff. Those people
can't buy homes because their income doesn't qualify for a mortgage.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
What.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah, yeah, it's wrong. It's wrong. It's okay to collect
a billion dollars of taxes, much of it in cash.
The federal government does, but they don't allow those folks
to have access to banking and to mortgages, etc. There
are dispensaries that get held up on a fairly regular

(34:18):
basis because these businesses, these front line dispensaries have to
work mostly in cash. And by the way, if you
wanted to distinguish the good guys from the bad guys,
you asked me that question about how do I know?
You know? Is this real pod? Is this not legal pod? Whatever?

Speaker 1 (34:34):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (34:34):
If cash is involved, you know, then you could distinguish
if you had safe banking and you said it's exclusively electronic,
it's exclusively plastic. Then we could see where the money
was going and coming from. Then you would know whether
it was legitimate or not. But if it's all cash,

(34:55):
you know, you got one hundred grand in the trunk
and you go, oh, this is legal, and they're like, well,
why do you even have this if you had safe banking?
But you don't now don't when you said we didn't,
we lost a voter. We didn't have the votes. That's
not accurate. We had the votes, we just couldn't get
Chuck Schumer, the Democrat majority leader.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Yeah, the penguin, Yeah, yeah, he would not he.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Would not bring it for a vote. That bill.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
I thought. I thought they included it in with some
pork didn't they include it with some other pork ridden
bill at one point failed a vote.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Right, they were trying to like load it up with
some other things. Here's the thing, safe banking. And the
Republicans are now having these hearings on the d banking
of legal businesses firearms, oil gas. The Democrats, through their
Project Choke Point, this was an Obama directive, said banks,

(35:54):
could you know, maybe not bank some of these these
industries we don't like but you know you can't. You
can't have it both ways. You can't be de banking
cannabis UH, which is legal in all these states. You
can't make a cogent argument for why it should be
de banked. You just can't. This should be state banking,

(36:18):
should be included in a crypto bill, in a Project
choke Point bill. That safe banking bill was more about
Project choke Point, in my opinion, and firearm rights than
it is just banking a pot money.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
That's interesting, that's heart to blank.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
We had, we had plenty of support. We I would
I guess we would have seventy votes on safe banking
in the Senate, and we just didn't get a vote.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
That's insane, bro, that's fucked up. That's fucked up. That's
what it is. Look, I'm with you. If if you
know there's plenty of places where you can buy medical
marijuana just about everywhere in the entire country, why not
just legalize it, bro? You know, it's it's it's it's
pretty ridiculous. And especially this whole banking thing where you

(37:07):
got to come up with cash, so you got to
go to an ATM, you got to show up, you
got to pay cash. I mean, dude, I haven't had
cash in my pocket probably in a decade. Everything I do,
I swipe. You know. It was bizarre the other day
because I had some I had some like I had
some cash, and I was like, jeez, you know, and
I want to buy cigarettes, and they gave me change,

(37:30):
and I was like, holy shit, what do I do
with this? It was like coins. I haven't seen coins
in over a decade, you know, and I was like,
fuck it. I throw it into the little tip jar,
you know. But using currency in the year and it's
dirty too, It's like dirty, I sucked, you, you know,
especially after like during COVID, nobody would use cash. And
I think at this point, you know, really, you know,

(37:51):
do we really need cash? You know, I don't know, man,
but but I think the Safe Banking Bill I agree
with you, and I think, you know, there should be Look,
if you're not going to make it any legal and
they're gonna be producing it, I want to just make
it legal, control it, TAXI ship out of it, you know,
and and use that money for for good for good stuff.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah, don't tax the shit out of it.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Well, you have to, you know, you have to. You know,
if it's if dude, we tax this ship out of
alcohol and cigarettes. Right, So, if it's medical, don't tax
a ship out of it. If it's recreational, TAXI ship
out of it, absolutely, you know, and use that money
for good ship. Right.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
It's if it's medicine, it shouldn't be taxed. I agree,
And that's my other big argument in argument. Look, I
know I know elected officials how they think, and I
was one, so I know, right, Oh, we're going to
bring in all this money. Yeah, but if you're gonna
bring in all this money then spend it on crap
that you wouldn't vote for anyway? Like, what's the point?
That is not a winning argument for Republicans, right, it's

(38:47):
just not so.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
So where do you see the votes if this be so? Again,
they're not going to pass safe banking and legalization of marijuana,
sand the loan bills. They're gonna they're gonna throw them
in with a big hopefully they can push it with
with Trump's Saxville because that'll get passed and and that
would be gold, right, that would be gold because you
get it past, you know, everybody's gonna vote for that,
and you know, seek it in there but if they

(39:12):
throw it in on a bill that you know is
destined to die, that would be very disappointing, wouldn't it.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Yeah, I don't think that. I don't think that's gonna happen.
I don't.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
I mean documents, What does he think? What Wor's leader
doing on this? Because I know where where McConnell was right,
But what we're doing on this.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Well, well it almost doesn't matter because Trump is such
a huge figure in this debate that even the people
who are no just aren't that rabbit of no. You know.
I look, I don't I don't like to kiss and tell.
I don't like to, you know, talk about conversations I
have with members. But I've had some conversations with members

(39:54):
who are in really crazy states like Oklahoma, and they
don't like what's going going on in Oklahoma, and I
keep making the case to them that they are they
would make excellent, honest brokers in this conversation that the
reason that Oklahoma is the wild wild West is because
elected officials didn't do their jobs. They turned a blind eye.

(40:18):
You had a couple of crazy people with wild ideas
draw up an amendment. It passed with a huge margin
and one of them said to me, like, do you
realize that they what they voted for? And I'm like, yeah,
it's so bad that it proves that they would have
rather had something that they cared so much for legalizing

(40:38):
for medical purposes, they were willing to take all the
other crap that went with it. You guys could have
could have done your jobs and fixed it, So come
to the table with your plans. Republicans have the opportunity
not to steal this issue from Democrats, but to pick
up their fumble. Democrats had the chance to do this
and they didn't. And they can point fingers all day long,

(41:01):
but they didn't even try. They didn't bring the bills
to a vote on the floor and have them fail.
They just kept them in the drawer and then try
to blame Republicans. I love that.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
I love the fumble analogy. I think it's a great one.
And you know, there's and there's something true about what
you said. You know, I read your article. I read
the article where you were quoted where you said, you know, okay,
well progressors are not going to hate you any less,
but you know it's the right thing to do. I
don't necessarily agree with that, I think there are a

(41:34):
lot of progressives that are very much for legalization of
marijuana that you know, also share some other things that
would vote for a President Trump or may be more
open to Republican policies if they get a win because

(41:56):
this is very near and dear to their hearts, especially
on the medicinal side for cancer patients, or they have
a family member or or things like that that you know,
they would take that as a very solid gesture. And
and you know, but yeah, I think the moon bats,
the hippies, the crazies, they're not gonna move. Don't hate
them even more, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
I would say, and you and I hang around maybe
with a different group of progressives, but I'm up here
in Washington.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
I don't hang out with any of them. I don't
hang out with any of them, Buddy. They don't like me.
They'll never know. That's why I do.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
So you don't even know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
There you go, there you go.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
The progressives I'm in company with, in the company of
won't stand up and applaud a kid with brain cans.
That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
It's disgusting. I mean, going back to the state of
the Union to see that this way was was was
heinous at best, it was evil at its core. When
they can't sit there and have any empathy for a
kid with you know, nominal brain cancer, with a girl
that that that suffered brain damage because of a transgender
men smashing a ball to a head, you know, Joscelyn

(43:08):
being murdered by an illegal gang member. Uh, and they
and they can't have any empathy for their families or
for their people. Really shows you at the core what
the Democratic Party is today and who they become. It's
not it's not Bobby Kennedy's party anymore. And that's why
he's on our side. And I think, you know, I
wanted to. I wanted the kind of tea into that.
So thank you for that lead. And you know, I

(43:30):
think Bobby Kennedy is a help in this isn't here.
Where is he on the whole marijuana situation.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Well, he is very good on this. I mean he
has said multiple times now, you know, prior to his
coming on board with the Trump administration, that he was
very much for legalization, ending you know, prohibition, that sort
of thing. During his confirmation hearing, he sort of walked
that back and said, you know, he'd followed the science.
I'd be happy to follow the science. We don't really

(44:00):
get any real good science because it's federally illegal. It's
a Schedule one drug, which, by the way, is why
insurance companies cannot pay for this, because you can't even
get a prescription. You get a recommend date. I don't
know if you have a card. I don't have a card,
but you cannot prescribe as Schedule one drug. If it
moves to a Schedule three, then insurance companies may be

(44:24):
able to get involved in this, but until then, it's
not deemed medicine by the federal government.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Doesn't pass this start, does it pass this year.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
I believe that Schedule three is basically in the bag.
When when Biden started the process.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
Mister producer, we gotta buy marijuana sock immediately after the show.
It's coming from the pop from the potlabbyist himself.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Now, I think I think that they've already had that,
that's already been sort of figured into the mix of
stuff of SoC prises. And I don't talk about that.
And just for the record, I am not invested in
the cannabis sector at all, in any form of vaut.
I don't work for the body that you know is
in the industry. I don't represent the industry. I care

(45:14):
most about patients. This one who, by the way, I
didn't I didn't mention, but he actually passed away before
he could testify on the bill that bears his name.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (45:25):
Yeah, he literally this is Darryl Putman used his last
breath to lobby for marijuana legalization for medical purposes.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
He felt that strongly about it, and I will forever
be in his debt. And there are thousands, hundreds of
thousands of people and a ton of people in the
state of Maryland, but elsewhere because I went around and
told his story that have benefited from from what he did.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Story is value. You need to tell it to people
who can actually do something and not just you know,
scream about it into the Twitter sphere.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Yep, we're gonna be right back. We got to go
to pay the bills and we'll come back with Don Murphy.
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Back to pot. You're on a roll.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
If you have Mike, if you have that pillow topper,
maybe you don't need marijuana for Hey.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
That that that's my excuse. I don't need weed to sleep.
I have a I have a mattress topper, so I
sleep like like a king man, like like if I
was high every night. You know, but if this is
in a pass right and I and I true believe
this is the moment. Do you think there's the leadership

(48:06):
in the House and the Senate are getting included in
in in the big bill. You think is going to
be included both the banking and the legalization.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
I do. I think the president. Look, I have a
lot of people screaming at me on Twitter who were
like Trump promised this and you know he hasn't done anything.
Like I'm like, are you serious? You gave Biden in
company a four year pass and then you wonder why
in forty days Trump hasn't done you know something on

(48:35):
your issue marijuana, like it or not? And maybe this
is a good thing. It's not a top ten issue,
it's not a one hundred day we got to do issue.
Why because in most states where the we're federal we're
state enforcement is at the state level, they've stopped arresting
people for marijuana. Now that's not the case at the

(48:57):
federal level, but the whole system is going because of
the federal prohibition and when that is ultimately lifted. And
I'll even argue there are some people in this business
who don't want me or us appear to succeed because
they like it the way it is. They are insulated
from the big boys, big alcohol, big tobacco, coming in

(49:21):
and taking over, which would be easy to do. I
do believe that if and when that happens, that will
benefit patients. Patients will get better quality at a lower price,
more convenient than they do now. I don't Amazon, I
don't know. I could no more wrap my head around

(49:42):
the fact that there are cannabis chambers of commerce. When
I was doing this twenty five years ago, when I
met Darryl Putman in nineteen ninety nine, people would say
to me, yeah, Murphy, but where are they going to
get it? And my answer was same place they get
it now, they just won't be arrested for it.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
So let me let me ask you something. Did you
say that there's a fear that Philip Morris, R. J. Reynolds,
et cetera. Would get into the pop business?

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Sure? Sure, in fact, that's what That's what our opposition
claims they are. They are running against big, big cannabis,
big pot much the way that DeSantis did.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Right.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Desantas ran against the idea that there would be a monopoly.
There really wasn't going to be a monopoly. Were there
going to be big boys and small boys? Was there
going to be a McDonald's and then a Wendy's. Yeah,
you can go to Wendy's if you want. Are there
more McDonald's than Wendy's.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (50:40):
But so what? But that was his argument, and apparently
it worked enough.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
That's very interesting. Well, you know, look, I think, Look,
I'm I'm in business. I've I've launched companies, you know,
et cetera. I understand. You know how hard it is
to raise capital. It takes money, need to make money,
and you know, if there's an opportunity in the market,
capital will find its way to be part of that,

(51:08):
and I don't think there's anything wrong with it, because
what you don't want to do is do a half
assed business and and take shortcuts, right, and especially when
there's quality controls that are very important. Especially you know,
if you're going to be consuming it for medicinal or
even recreational, what you don't want to do is be
ingesting something that could kill you. Right, So, how is
that a bad thing? Why is that bad that big

(51:31):
capital would want to get involved and big companies will
want to get involved. I don't see how that's a
bad thing. I think you know, they have a proven model.
They know how to run a business. They pay their
employees very well, they know how to make payroll, how
to pay benefits, you know everything. Why would that be bad?
I think you got to look at it from a
job creation standpoint that that's fantastic news, right, that's a

(51:52):
huge positive.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
It would only be bad if big business got in.
It would only be bad if you were a medium
sized business and you were subject to getting squashed by
the big boy. By the way, they're five hundred thousand,
and I know I mentioned this earlier, five hundred thousand
people who were involved in this industry their jobs. Their
employment statistics are not included in the monthly jobs stats.

(52:19):
Five hundred people who are not in the mix because
their jobs are illegal. And the strange part is there's more.
There's like if you used marijuana. I remember when Biden
came into office. The hypocrisy of this is Biden comes
into office and he fired a handful of staffers, white
house staffers who had had previous marijuana use, like not convictions,

(52:45):
but they had previously used marijuana, like seriously, And I mean,
I love what Elon Musk is doing, but he literally
blew smoke and our faces, our collective faces online and
here he is doing what he's doing. It's just really look,
I'd love for the Joe Rogan's of the world, the

(53:05):
Elon Musk of the world, to just have a little
sit down with the president and say, you know, this
is wrong, It's time to do something.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
I think. I think that's happened, by the way, don
I think that's happened, And that's why I'm with you.
I think the legalization is here isn't happened. That's why
I wanted to get you on the show, you know,
before it happened, so I could claim that I had
UH influenced this UH decision and claim a win for
going rogue, but not realistically kidding aside. I think you're right.

(53:32):
I think the votes are there. I think the President
will sign that bill. He's obviously shown tremendous public support
for it here in Florida by pushing him. MM three,
Why wouldn't you do it at the national level? I don't.
I don't understand, you know.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Think about this. He we didn't talk about hemp at all,
but this intoxicating hemp that is out there that is
now legal because of.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
That, that's gas station stuff, right, well, but.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
He right, he signed Trump signed the farm in twenty eighteen.
Unbeknownst to anybody that you know, they've taken hemp and
they've turned it into not just rope, but rope, you know,
like things that are intoxicating and they are purchased legally
in gas stations. And we don't know what this stuff
is and it's kind of a mess. Now. I'm not

(54:20):
dumping on the hemp industry at all. I love them,
but I do keep my distance because before hemp was legal,
the Republicans were afraid that I was going to try
to load the hemp bill up that was sort of
moving or the farm bill up with cannabis we'll call it,
you know, sort of distinguished between non intoxicating hemp and

(54:44):
cannabis THC cannabis. And I said, I will stay out
of this. I will encourage all my advocate friends to
stay out of this. Hemp should be legal and it
shouldn't be illegal because oh, we're afraid cannabis is going
to be sort of brought into this. And this was
gonna wait, this was a way to legalize marijuana. Didn't

(55:04):
want to do that. It's the same plan. We ought
to be able to figure this out.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
I think Trump. I think Trump is the guy who
can get that done.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Yeah. And you know what, look I mean realistically, you know,
we're both long term Republicans. We've been, you know, with
the party for a long time. Trump is not a
traditional Republican. He's not maybe even Republican. He's a pragmatic
business guy with a lot of common sense. And this
is a common sense issue, and I think that I
think that's why it's going to pass. You know.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
I like to say he's a populist, and there are
there are very few issues left eighty twenty issues that
haven't been fixed or won't be fixed by the president
with an executive order. You know, guys in girls' sports.
All these like simple things that he's doing with the
stroke of a pen. Some of this can be resolved

(55:56):
with his Attorney General getting involved in measure his schedule three,
putting his stumb on the scale with Tim Scott, the
Republican chair of the Banking Committee. Dave Joyce is the
is the sponsor of the Safe Banking Act. On the
House side, Brian Mass and Dave Joyce are the co

(56:16):
chairs of the Cannabis Caucus. Brian Mass, you may know
right down there in South Florida a good friend of
the president. You obviously can speak for the president, or
used to speak for the president. You will probably see
him before I do. Feel free to mention this when
you can.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Absolutely we got I know you gotta go. You got
about thirty seconds. What are your last words?

Speaker 2 (56:37):
My last words are if you are watching this and
you're a conservative and you're represented in Congress by conservatives,
you need to get on the phone and say what
the hell, like, why is this? Why is this the case?
Why are you you know, where are you on this.
I'm happy to help, you know, people sort of figure
out who's good and who's bad. I don't like to

(56:57):
just blurt it out, but look, I love these guys.
I could love them more. They just need to do
the right thing and be consistent.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Fantastic, Don Murphy, the pot Lobbyist. Thank you very much, Don,
it was very, very educational. We needed to have this conversation.
Hopefully you'll come back either after this passes or before,
but you're welcome on the show anytime you want it.
It was a fantastic conversation I appreciated.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Hey, look it's freezing up here. Next time I come
on the show, I'm coming down to stud.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Sounds good man. I have said that I'm not going
back to the People's Republic until probably mid or late April.
You guys had a horrible, horrible winner. Man. I'm glad
I missed it, and I'm glad that I did not
even venture up on January twentieth, because I knew it
was just gonna get shut down, and I'm glad I didn't.
You know, so awesome man, follow Don Murphy. There's this

(57:50):
twitter his X and I'm pretty sure you know you're
gonna hear about a lot of people. So it is
what it is, right, terrific, Thank you, take care of awesome.
All right, guys, hopefully you enjoyed the show. Don Murphy.
We didn't go into his background a lot. He gave
us the like you said, the Nickel tour, but long

(58:12):
term Republican, two time elected official, excuse me, Trump delegate
at the RNC. Overall good guy and he's you know,
obviously pushing for this. You've heard his arguments pros and cons,
and sounds like there's a lot more pros than cons.
It's probably about the right time to do this. We'll
be back next week. Excuse me, I gotta quit smoking. Right,

(58:37):
We'll be back next week. We've got a full lineup.
We're gonna be back with law enforcement Fridays. We're having
some special guests. We're trying to get a doctor, a
famous doctor in the prologist PhD who's done a lot
of research on vaccines, and hopefully we can get our
book next week. Love to have that conversation. There's especially

(58:59):
with this whole measle out brick, you know, euphoria that
that that the left leaning media is pushing out there
to try and promote more more vaccines, and you know,
and and and and and the crazies with the whole
covid covid covid and vaccines for this, and vaccines for that,
and guard and silk for babies, and who the hell
knows what else. So we're gonna have an expert to
talk about that white why it's good or why it's bad.

(59:21):
You know, we'll uh we'll hear her out, but I'm
looking forward to having her on the show and and
many many other friends and uh and you know, we're
gonna be uh reporting again from the border from you know,
uh from Ice, and uh find out what the cartels
are up to, because I know they're up to a
lot of bad ship, so we're following them. We'll see
you next week. Have a great weekend. Cheers, H