February 26, 2025 • 49 mins
ICE Special Agent Victor Avila joins us to discuss the real threat the cartels pose to our homeland. How he and his fellow Special Agent Jaime Zapata were ambushed by the Zetas which cost Special Agent Zapata his life and injured Avila with 3 gunshot wounds.
We go into detail about the dangers of the cartels, both outside and inside the US.
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We go into detail about the dangers of the cartels, both outside and inside the US.
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Welcome to do gg Going Road. Today's Wednesday, February the
twenty sixth, and uh, we're just gonna come right out
of the case quickly. Our guest is unlimited time, Uh,
former special Agent Victor Avila. Victor, it's always a pleasure
to talk to you. You are man, You're a hero,
You're a patriot, You're a legend, uh, and definitely an authority.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
When when when this issue is front and center and
it's so important and something that you know, you've been
talking about for a while. I've been talking about for
a for a long time as well. It seems like
it was going on deaf ears for a long time.
And you know, it feels amazing to have President Trump
back in the White House, to have Tom Homan in
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a position that he's in, and hopefully now that we're
gonna start listening to folks like you. I do have
some concerns and I'm gonna voice them really quick and
then I'm gonna let you kind of do your thing.
But one of the concerns I have is that there
seems to be this extreme overconfidence that if we want
to go take out the cartels will go across from
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and come and wipe them out like cockroaches.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I think that is that that is.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I don't want to be in say come across the
wrong way, but it's almost an infantile comment to not
say ignorance, right, I believe we know who these people are.
They're not you know, combezinitos. They hire fucking mercenaries, a
lot of people. And just so you know the rules,
(01:58):
it's truth bomb.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Z f no bullshit. So let's fucking go.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
That's right, that's right, you're spot on, and I agree
with you there. You can't underestimate the cartels. And obviously
where they have been designated as foreign test organizations, which
it's a game changer for the United States.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
That's good. So I've been talking about this for many
many years.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
A lot of my colleagues and I have been pushing
for this, and it's officially done through the State Department,
and it happened last week where Secretary of Rubio actually
put them in the books under the State Department. So
they're classified just like isis just like the Taliban. But yes,
it just just doesn't mean that, oh, we're going to
go in there and wipe them. We can, but you
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cannot underestimate the cartels because of the sophistication networks that
they have. Yes, they're headquartered in Mexico, but they are
heavily present in the United States and according to the DA,
sixty five countries around the world.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
And this is think about that.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
You think about the intelligence level that they have, the
networking and cartel members. Uh what's a cartel member? What
does it look like? Where are they? Well, they look
like you and me and their teachers, lawyers, bankers, police
officers unfortunately in some cases, and a lot of gang
members and a lot of different types of people from
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A through Z.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
There's a list that you mentioned then that how I'm
a thirteen obviously, but there's the cartels right.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Golf for right.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
I love that list. I love that list.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Whoever was you know, advising on the list, I agree
with it one hundred percent of Amana, which is great.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
It's be on there.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Obviously, go set us who killed my partner and shot
me there there there as well, and so, uh, this
is a great list.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
But so there's several things happening.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
One with the designation one, you have to attack the
cartels where it hurts the most, and that's financially, and
see what this does is strip some of their assets
or properties or the moneyes that they have everywhere, especially
in the US, hurt them there financially. Then what I
think is happening, and I think they're laying the platform
and the foundation is the military potential, military intervention. Now
(04:10):
it doesn't mean going into Mexico. It means a lot
of things. But look, we already have special forces going
over there to train their special forces. We have the
drones flying over Mexico gathering intel. We have our military
flying over Mexican airspace granted by permission by the Mexicans
to patrol, especially over the Arizona Son Area desert. So
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there's a lot of things happening here. Why is all
this thing happening because we have to prepare ourselves, because,
like you said, the cartel's not gonna throw their hands
up in the air and said, Okay, we're done, it's over.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
We give up. Right, That's not gonna happen, Bro.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
It's not gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
It's expect violence, expect a response. And the fence and
still is piling up in Mexico. They need to bring it.
Human bodies are still going to get smuggled. So that's
another thing that you're going to have to see, is
the smuggling.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Now.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
One thing that I saw in the last.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Week, which is kind of crazy for me, cartel members
getting taken down and arrested in Mexico. Seizures, big seizures
of drugs in Mexico and of weapons.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
And I know why.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
It's because President Trump gave them thirty days. Remember he says,
if not, I'm going to take away the tariffs. So
Mexico right now is like trying to write a list,
you know, like the same thing that Elon Moss and
Must said.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Give me five things you did last week. Well, Mexico's yeah,
they're writing in their list right yea, I took down
this load. We did da da da.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Well, I think they're doing that to prove to President
Trump whatever they can to avoid the terror of the
twenty five percent, the terror, because that's it's a lot
of people think, ah, it's just a terriff.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Listen, it's it's so impactful for Mexico.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Eighty four percent of the things and goods that come
from Mexico comes to the United States, and so it
would really hurt them. That's The problem is they don't
have a problem with that. The problem I have is
with the car Tembile members in our country.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
What are the guys doing? What are you guys do?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, I was about to bring that up. I was
about to bring that up with you. You know.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Is obviously you have a personal story that I would
love to get into in a minute or maybe after
this dialogue. But people are like, well, what if the
car tells, you know, attack our troops or ice agents
on the border, or there's rumors about them using drones
to attack us.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Oh, we'll go ahead there and wipe them out.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
It's not gonna be that easy. But they're cart members here.
That's what people don't understand. They think that these people
are in Mexico and Colombia and.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Brew and Bolivia wherever, and they.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Come to Los Autism, Venezuela, you know, and they just
ship it like you know, they send it via DHL
and somebody you know at Miami International Airport or O'Hare
or JFK, you know, picks it up, clears customs and
you know, puts it on street corners.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
It doesn't work that way, and people don't understand that.
And I don't know if you can explain for the
vast majority, because you understand, I mean a lot of
people don't know, right, and they just you know, I
don't know. Maybe they just don't have the curiosity. You
don't understand. But how does that process work. There's a
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logistical process, right, and there are people along the way
that all work for the cartels. And there are a
lot of these people here which are a threat and
danger right now this minute to second to us citizens.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Spot on, you're spot on.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
It is a network of a lot of different types
of people, not just like you said, not just the couriers,
not just the mules that pick up I'm talking about
networks because part of the whole network and the business
of the cartels is the money. You have to do
something with the money, and so you have people financing them.
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The money laundering aspect of this is out of control.
You name the business, and the cartels have had their
hand in it. Their money is incorporated in the world
banking system. This is how significant this is. So when
you have all these illicit funds traveling through as many
channels as you can, we have a problem. I call
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them reps. They have reps in the US permanently. They
live here, and their sole purpose to be in the
US is to do many many things, not just scout,
not just deliver drugs, but conduct businesses where they're listed.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Well, these are business people, right, not just not just
not just soldiers.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Good example, I'll give you one example. There is a
business open. It was in Fort Worth, Texas, and I
talked to the owner. This is the owner of the business.
She was opening a restaurant in a little strip mall
in Fort Worth. And she does her thing, the legal
paperworking on to open a restaurant, and she finally gets
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to open and and then one day, two guys mysteriously
in the car drive up and park in front, and
they walk in and they start basically interrogating her, and
she's like.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Who the hell are you guys?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
And they were cartel members, and they wanted to know
because this is this is what I'm telling you, this example,
it's a real it's a.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Real story, by the way.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Well, they wanted to know who she was, what she wanted,
what her intentions, who she was connected with, and and
all that. And and at this point she wasn't extorted,
which is good, but they were checking to see who's
coming into their territory because they control that, even even
the shopping center. So in Texas, so this happens, This happened,
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This happens in Mexico all the time.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
In Mexico. You know the people in Mexico, you.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Go are they're they're tired of being extorted. They're sick
and tired of paying the cartel the quota every two
weeks every month just because they have a business. They're
stick and tired of that and being terrorized and everything else. Right, yeah, yeah,
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So it's and uh and so uh this happens in
the US more than people know. And uh, the audacity,
the way these guys kind of carry themselves around the
whole entire United States. This is the This is the
part where I don't know how these guys are gonna retaliate.
They're not gonna like the fact that the pressure is
coming on from the federal government. A lot of these
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guys are US citizens, a lot of them are illegal too,
and so we have to weep these guys out, identify
them and get them out of here. But is it
gonna take an act? Uh, this is the part that
I'm not sure what's gonna happen. Is the cartel gonna
do something that's gonna trigger the United States an incredible
response or you know, to me, they've already triggered US
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with thousands and thousands of deaths.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
With Phentomo pills. I think that's enough.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
But are they gonna like you said, are they gonna
kill I want to kill a boor with toy agent
or a police officer, a civilian and sparked this incredible
response by the United States where we're not gonna We're
not gonna care. Donald Trump's not gonna care. And what
and then and then you will see a military action
that has never been seen before.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah, it would be decimating.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
But but and I say the butt because there would
be a lot of violence and casualties here in the streets.
I've seen it, You've seen it. We've seen it in Mexico.
We've seen it in Columbia. We've seen it in the
streets in Peru Qut, your own bas car bombs, dry bys.
I mean, it is bloodshed, it's nasty, it's extremely violent,
and the American people are not used to that, right,
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They're not.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
You might see it on TV and you think, oh
it all happens over there. Remember it used to happen
in Middle East. Yeah, it was six thousand miles away. Well,
you know what, look at it. I know you want
to talk about this eventure was just killed on the
other side of the border.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
With an ied right there, but ad him. By the way.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
It was two people that died. A third person is
in the Hut hospital, but an ID. That's right, that's right,
because their terrors is they have car bombs, IEDs, shoulder
propelled grenade launchers, belfit machine guns, military great weapons.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Yes, armored vehicles.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Now, I know when people say you want to compare
the cartel to US military, Well, of course they're not
going to be a match to our full blown military.
But it doesn't mean that they can't take down a helicopter.
It doesn't mean that they could take down an.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Airplane or kill somebody. They obviously have their capabilities.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah, I mean, look, they have unlimited money, so they
can buy the best weapons.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Out in the black market, right. I mean, that's a fact.
It's a known fact, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
You know, we've talked offline many times, you know, and
I've known plenty of and I know plenty of folks.
You know, in the DA that have done you know,
Latin America, Mexico or whatever.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
And they used to tell me, you know, we know
exactly who they are.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, you know, if we want to go meet with them,
we just call their admin insteat up an appointment.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
You know.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
It's He's like, the issue is arresting them, you know,
because you don't have evidence of proof or whatever, and
you know whatever, it's.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
More complicated than that. But but.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
They're surrounded by people that are very well trained, very
well equipped. They have the highest technology there. It's not
going to be an easy thing. And if you hit one,
everybody that's on this side of the border is going
to get activated and you're gonna start seeing car bombs, explosions,
everything all over the streets of the United States. I
don't think, do you. I don't think. I don't think
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the US citizen is prepared for that kind of bloodbath.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
I mean, you know, you remember in Colombia.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I mean, imagine you're going to the bank or going
to our shoppings, are in a car bomb explodes and
you know, fifteen people get shred of the pieces. That
would be absolute chaos here. And it happens three times
a day. Every day for you know, a year and
a half. It would I think the economy, everything would
collapse because this country is not used to that.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
And I think the US is where and especially our
military intelligence has to gather this before any type of action,
because the one that has the intel is the one
that has the advantage. And I think that's what we're
grabbing now. The cartel has always had the intel before us.
There are always a couple of steps ahead of law enforcement.
That's why they smuggled everything into the country. Now we
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get we gain traction on that. Now we can have
a response to try to avoid exactly what you're saying
and contain that violence down by the border or in
Mexico and not let us fill Here's another thing that
I heard of one of my friends say yesterday actually
in an interview, and I was I was quite surprised,
and I'm going to share it with you to see
what you think, because at first I was like, no,
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this is I didn't believe it, and I started thinking
about it. But he said that he believed is that
the cartel members, if there was a retaliation by the
United States or an attack by the United States inside Mexico,
that the cartels would actually not fight back, and and
and hear me out, because the cartels are not loyal
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to anybody. They're loyal to themselves, and they would actually
not want to protect another cartel wherever they want to.
They always want to kill each other anyway, even within
the cartel, they're always fighting for positions and all that.
And I started thinking, hmm, you know what, these guys
are cowards when they're by themselves.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
That that's true.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I I you know, when they're together in a group,
they're they're in bolden. But I've dealt with a lot
of them individually, and you'd be like, yeah, they're killers,
but their killers were the group, you know. And so
interesting that he my friend said that, and he's one
that's been involved a lot in the in this this
whole world as well.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
And I thought, well, this is interesting. If they would
kind of say.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
No, no, I'm not going to fight for them, and and
I want to get killed by the United States government.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Well, you know, go back to Escouadum, right, Gotti maying,
they're like, go ahead, Jason down, kill them, right, He's
not our problem, right right? Why wouldn't it happen in Mexico.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
They'll start giving each other up, right, that's the guy.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, they'll just cut deals.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
They're business people, right, They're going to cut a deal,
you know, and they'll say, hey, you know, I'll help
you get some of these guys that you leave me alone,
give me a ten, ten year, fifteen year grace period,
eggs of the business or or something, right, something that
I've heard a lot, and you brought it up on
the laundering thing, and I think it's very critical and
I was reading a lot of it last night to prepare.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
For this call.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
The amount of laundering that has been going on in
real estate in this country has been astronomical and credited
to a lot of the pricing hikes and all that
they're saying, forget Blackstone, forget these things. It's a cartel
money that's really driving real estate investments, and a lot
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of it is being washed, especially with the Texas.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
You know, what do you know about that? I know
you've been Oh my.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
God, I was briefed on a big, big case by
one of the chiefs.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
He's no longer there. As a matter of fact, they
forced him out.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
I think he was in I'm not sure if it
was Kentucky up there somewhere.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
The connection of the money laundry with exactly with the mortgages,
and they were setting the standard.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
They are setting the standard for the market. Yeah, that's
how big it is.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
And so the prices that they would sell the house,
they would pay an astromanical amount because they have the
money on a property that you would think, no, as
a regular person, I'm gonna go buy this, just say
one hundred thousand dollars property.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Well they'll get it for three hundred thousand.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
And you're like, well, I'm out, I can't do that,
and they start setting you do that over and over
and over.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
All of a sudden, all the houses are three hundred thousand.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
So that is as a big, big case linked to
Arizona as well.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Potential maybe elected officials.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
I mean, this is big because think about the amount
we're talking about, billions of dollars and drugs come north,
money goes south, but then the money comes back north.
And that's a lot of times that people don't understand
the money is now coming back north because.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
It has to be implemented com.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Or now they do they have a lot of cash, yes,
but it's in the banking system. They have to put
it in the banks, they have to put it in mortgage. Companies,
use car lots, you name the business, restaurants. So I say,
if you would take the illicit funds one day, magically
take the money, all the bad money from the cartels
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out of the banks, you would see banks and Opasso, McCallen,
La Jelo collapse overnight.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
I was reading about McCallen especially, and then I was
also listening to you know, going back a little bit
in history about the Mob's involvement with the cartels and
how they're laundered money for the cartels, the Genavieese family,
the Gambino, the Colombo family, especially in boxing, and how
they bought boxers and controlled outcomes of fights, and they
talked about you know, big fights.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
You know they can control.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Vito alto Fermo, you know his fight against Hagler, and
you know Duran, Davey Moore and et cetera.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Real clue.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I mean, the cartels reach and that's what people don't get.
And that's why I wanted you on the show because
this is a no bullshit show in its long form,
and it's very important to really just deep dive and
explain the details because people don't understand. They see narcos
and they think, you know, these people in these outskirts
in these hills and they just have parties with cocaine
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and women and hookers and you know, and they don't understand.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Dude, this is a business, a very sophisticated business.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
With very deep financial ties and professionals, accountants, you know,
risk analysis, analysts, I mean everything, right, you know, you know.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
What I call them.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
And then when I do these talks in front of
law enforcement, I tell me just first of all, I
take away the bias of what you think a cartel
member looks like. They're not all wearing a caboin hat
with the pointy boots. That's what you're thinking. I know,
that's what you're thinking.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
No, they look like you and me, like all of us.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
It's a sixty year old woman, it's a seventeen year
old high school kid. It's everything in between. And every
profession they've had them. We've arrested people that worked at
the courthouses giving them information, at lawyer's offices, I mean,
anywhere you can think of where they're gathering intel. Now,
that's one thing I talked to him about and I
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tell the police groups the body that you find that
either is a poisoning of a death of fentanyl, and
I tell them, and you have it in front of you,
there is a connection of how that body ended up
in front of you. And there's a lot of crime
in the United States that's associated to the cartel that
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is not officially.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
It's not tagged US cards.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
We had we had a car jacking, or there was
a murder in Chicago. I'm not saying all of them,
but a lot of those crimes are linked to Sinaloa Galisco.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
And they're linked to them because what is it.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
It's their drugs, it's their supplies, their humans that they're
giving and and the money. And so part of the
times that they treat it as an isolated incident and
it's not.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
It's right, and it's and it just tag does that right,
it's not tagged as a cartel crime.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
And uh.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
And so if you really would look at it, the
same thing with illegal.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Immigration crime, they don't want to say it was an
illegal alien committed because of politics.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
What a reason.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
But when it comes to the cartel, there's a lot
of crime in the United States linked to the murders, rapes,
violent crimes that hits that are ordered by the cartel
from wherever there are, from inside prisons, from inside prisons
in the United States. So absolutely you're spot on with
that analysis and the the bias of what these guys
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are involved in. I tell I tell the groups. I
want you to think of them as Amazon. What do
you think when you think of Amazon, Well, you think
of a multi billion dollar industry, distribution centers around the world,
very well organized, right, Well.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
That's the cartel. That's the cartel. They have billions of dollars.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
They're well organized, they have distribution centers all over the world.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
And the only difference with them is that.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Their their practice is murder, extortion, kidnapping and all that.
That's how they function and that's how they, you know,
keep their employees in order.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
It's a different type of discipline.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
But yeah, nobody gets written up, right, nobody gets written
up and sent home no pay.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Well, there is an HR, but the HR happens to
be a cicadio.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
So let's talk about a familia. You had a personal
encounter with them, David once you roll that tape.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Let's hear it. Go ahead, shot, We're not.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Shot on the highway.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
On the high.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
February twenty eleven, Victor Avila calling the US Embassy for
help after he and his partner had been attacked on
Highway fifty seven, a road in Mexico. They had been
warned about. Avi La had met his partner high mess
up Auta the day before their assignment had taken them
on Highway fifty seven. Avi Law was hired as an
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ICE Special Agent US diplomat in Mexico City, working out
of the US Embassy.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
My main concentration in Mexico was human trafficking. I was
helping dismantle organizations that traffic women and children from Mexico into.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
All right, Victor, why don't you tell us a story
versus a reporter That was Uh, that was horrible. It
made the hair stand on my head, my arms, and
the rest of my body. You've told me that story personally,
it is uh, it is horrendous. And I know we've
talked about another story about as well. My god, you know,
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everybody should pray for your partner for a special agent
Sapata and his family walk us through. Uh, if you can,
I can imagine. The memories have got to be fucking horrifying.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
They are.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
And this this this month was the fourteenth year anniversary,
and I can't believe how quickly time flies. But uh yeah,
I always I will always talk about it. I will
always mention it, and I'll talk about the memory of
Agents Sapata because he paid the ultimate sacrifice in defending
our homeland with his life and the line of duty.
I'm here by the grace of God because I got
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shot three times. I'm telling you there's a reason why
I'm here, maybe just to do this to bring the
awareness to the people and my experience.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
But it was a horrible, horrible day.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
We were ambushed by two SUVs full of Seta cartel members.
Now we didn't know the Rezeta at the time, and.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
So so explain to people that what is a zetta.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
A Seta is a cartel well in the the other
side of Texas, southern portion of Texas.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
UH.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
They control that area, the SETAs UH faction. After all this,
the faction into a group now called CDNE, which is
really on the other side of Larello and Larelo, Texas.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
That's their that's their main territory, the.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
SETAs or a cartel that they actually UH came out
of the golf cartel. They were enforcers, a lot of
them military trained and trained by UH. Started the training
started in Guatemala. Actually people think in Mexico, but actually
starting Guatemala. Us UH special forces trained some of them
and they became the most part of the most violent
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cartel out there. These are the guys that at one
point you started using the violence as intimidation tactics against
other cartels and terrorizing the people.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
And they're in there and they were fully trained too, right,
which which made.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Military weapons tactics, all of that very very disciplined individuals
and violence, violent meeting these other guys that started chopping
off heads, dismemboring bodies, pulling your heart out of your
chest while you're still alive, burning you while you're alive,
skinning people. Horrible, horrible. I've seen too many videos and
I don't want to see them anymore. But these are
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the types that that's why these guys on that day
on February fifteenth of twenty eleven, they knew that we
were Americans.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
They testified about it in court.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
And I'm going to give you an update that I
just got this morning that nobody knows and I'm going
to share it with you. And they opened fire, and
they opened fire, and they killed my partner and shot
me three times. And during custody they were actually got
in to the US. It's a big mess. It was
eight of them. One of seven, one was pronounced or
considered dead. And these seven two went to prison for life.
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They never spoke, they never cooperated. The other five got
these tremendous deals thirty five, thirty four, twenty eight, and
the list goes down of years that they got in
prison for killing a US federal agent. Just this morning,
I get a call from the US attorney and think
about this. Fourteen years later. She tells me that the
main guy, they call him stakas, the main guy of
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the hit group of the sicadios of the cartels, filed emotion.
And I'm not making this up. I wish I was
filed emotion to the court to be considered for a
compassionate release.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Oh my god, can you fucking believe that? I'm sorry
for the language.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Ah, dude, Hey, this is the show man that farms
are part of it? Are you fucking kidding me.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
It man.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
I just got the call about an hour before I
come on, and I had to hold my breath.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
My daughter was sitting next to me and she's just
had like calm down that.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
And I let the attorneys talk and they're telling me
Victor were fighting it, and they said, Okay, we know
how you feel, but go ahead tell us and I
tell him listen. First of all, the audacity that this
poker has to even file this motion. Some household jail
lawyer probably he told him about this, but nevertheless, this
is you have to take it serious.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
You have to go through the motions.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Now.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
He's saying that he's no longer a cartel member, he's rehabilitated,
and you should be released on compassionately for killing the
US federal agent and wounding another. Here's this is what
I told him. I said, obviously you know how I feel,
but remember this and an emotion. I want you to
include that this is a terrorist now, and if the
court would consider any kind of release, there would be
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considering releasing a terrorist because these guys are evil doers.
They're they're evil there, I don't know other words.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
And they are terrorists, right, I mean, and the terrorists.
You didn't call them cartels, drug traffickers. But but but
at the end, in the essence, they're terrorists because they
they live on terror, they.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Live with terror, and they create terror. Right.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
List, when I do these plantations, I put the terrorist list,
I use it example, and then a cartel and all
of the things that they're involved in. And the majority
of the times everybody picks the cartel as a terrorist.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
I don't tell him which was which.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
By the way, Yeah, and because there everything you talked about,
the bombs, extortions, uh, the everything, the violence.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
As a matter of fact, they've killed more Americans than any.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Other uh terrorist organization in.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
The world, hands down.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
They have.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
They're linked with China, They're linked with Venezuela, They're linked
with Cuba, They're linked with Hezbola Iran. I'm telling you
this is the bigger picture about what we're talking. When
we talk about security, you gotta start focusing on the
big picture of I remember.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
I remember back in back in the day when Chavis
was so alive and he opened his uh you know,
his general console, and Damascusia was giving you know, visas
to to Venezuela, to Caracas, uh to Hamas and Hezbela
and you know Iranian National Army, and they were going
into the as well, getting venezuela and identities, going through
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Latin America and doing deals with the cartels.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Right, there's a financing everybody, just like you and I
know it.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
All these terrort groups know, hey, that's where the money is,
that's going there and get financed by these guys, so
they'll help them with the human smuggling, trafficking and drugs,
whatever it is that they need to do to get
financed and assistance through Mexico by the way, to get
into the US.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
I always said it many times.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
All these groups and all the illegal aliens, they know
that being in Mexico was as good as being in
the US because Mexico allowed all this to happen. That's
why there has to be a lot of accountability on
Mexico and we have to hold them accountable because they've
allowed a lot of this to happen through the country.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Because so it's perfect, perfect segue into my next question,
because you just you just took.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Us there by default.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
So it's been said, not publicly maybe, but we've always
talked about it, you know, for years that there's always
been somebody that's been linked to the cartels in every
cabinet in the Mexican government for at least twenty five
thirty years.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
We know that to be a fact.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
There's been people that have been arrested here and then
released and sent back because.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Who knows why, right, how do you stop that?
Speaker 1 (31:22):
I mean, I think that's going to be the biggest
challenge that this administration is going to have. You already
see Mexican's president trying to push legislation in response to
that list that Trump put out. It's not a political
it's not a political solution, Victor, It's just.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Not It's very difficult. It's a very difficult issue because
that corruption is a cancer in Mexico, and there's been
an evolution. It used to be where a politician had
the ultimate power and use the cartels for bribery reasons,
for whatever reasons, but now the tables have turned. It's
it's it's the cartel has been running a parallel government
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for all of Amilo's term. Amelo is probably the most
corrupt believe it, but listen to what I'm about to say.
It's probably the most corrupt narco terrorist ever in the
history of Mexico.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
And how would you compare them the Javes, Well, the
president of the poor people?
Speaker 4 (32:18):
Yeah, that fuck her.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
How would you compare Amlo to Javes? Parallel, worse or less?
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Same? Communist socialist communists?
Speaker 2 (32:28):
No, but his ties with the cartels we we know.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Oh yeah, oh easy, the same. Clather Shinbaum is a
is a futball communist. He is actually in a very
difficult position right now because another party is you know,
they hate Donald Trump, and Clana Sheinbaum is a president,
is between Donald Trump and her party, and she doesn't
know what to do. She's trying to appease the party
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and doesn't want to get hurt by Donald Trump with
the terrorists and all this other stuff.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
And that's what's going on right now.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
And she's making some now you'll see her the public statements,
I'm not going to allow the United States to come
here and violate our sovereignty. But I've heard that all
many times. But underneath, covertly, she's allowing a lot of
things for the US to do. Here's the problem is
that the cartels control all this, the Cantel, the attorneys
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in Mexico, the cartel members, they control the money, they
control the ASCDOR, they control the decisions, the policy.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
This is the big difference there.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
You're talking about organized crime controlling the system there. So
here's the difficulty. How do you separate it? Well, you
can't separate. And I want people to understand. There are
good people in Mexico. There are people that are not
corrupt and are trying to do the best, but the
majority are tainted.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
And people say, how do you say that.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Well, two of the people that I work with when
I was in Mexico, who was the head of the
Federal Police, is in custody in New York for being
us in a law cartel member. The number two, guy
Luis Palo Mades Solomino, responded to our shooting in San
Luis Potosi. He landed in the black Hawk helicopter there
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that we paid for, by the way, and he is
in custody in the in Mexico for torture and and
other you know, drug trafficking and corruption charges. Yes, there
were members of the cabinet, There are members of the
old Nation.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
This is how high level the corruption goes.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
And we were forced to work with these people because
they were putting these posts and so we knew that
we had to navigate every single day about the information,
how we shared it, we didn't share it vettic groups
and oh it gets complicated. So you're right on and
how it's very difficult to separate. So at one point
you say, well, we don't separate it.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
The United States.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
We have to treat them all as a corrupt, uh
you know, entity, and then we start taking them down.
And that's probably the only way that we could actually
have a solution for.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Both countries, because when you start.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Cleaning up, it's going to benefit everyone a lot of
people people, not just the United States and Mexico, but
a lot of other people that have been look at
the line trade, the avocado growers, the mangol crow growers,
the petroleros, the steel trade. We're telling the cartel has
a hand in a lot of these businesses, and they're
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sick and tired of being controlled by these people because
they have control of the of the mountains of the
where they're growing their weed, where they're growing all this stuff,
and the one hundred super labs around Mexico that are
making the methamphetamine and fentanyl. Now, those I think if
you see any activity from the United States. That's probably
the first thing that you're going to see position attacks
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on taking out the labs at least to take out
the supply.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
You know.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
No, we did that. We did that a lot in Peru.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Right, We would go there and blow up all the
fucking labs and they would just pop up another one
the next day.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
So, you know, it was it was a crazy, crazy situation.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
I remember when and I don't know if you remember this,
but when Mexico and the US, I mean Colombia and
the US did blank Columbia, yeah, right, and uh and
then all of a sudden Peru became the number one
ex worder cocaine.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
You know, and everyone was like, hey, you know, uh,
the benefits of free trade agreements. Uh, you know, and
because you know, when you.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Cut out the Colombians, all of a sudden, the Mexicans
went to Peru and started getting it, and they cut
that margin out, gave them a lot more money and
resources to go spend in Mexico and really belching.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Well that's happening now.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Yeah, and it's happening now in Mexico, you know, where
to Central America to.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
All the way down there.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yes, yes, absolutely, especially China, China, when they got all
this pressure about the fencannel and the precursors and chemicals
they bring in.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
There's so much pressure.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
They still do it with Mexico, but they started kind of,
you know, kind of bringing it down.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
Not so they said, Okay, we're.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Gonna bring it into what the mela to bring it
into you know, the Central America, and then bring it
in that way so it wouldn't be that obvious. So yes,
that's what they do. They'll adjust. This is why you
have to when you eliminate the cartels. It's not just
from the top down like we've done a lot of
many years. It's from the bottom up because you know
what the designation what it does is if you're a
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gang member in the United States that say a drug
pusher and you're pushing drugs for the Sinaloa cartel, that's
not a terrorist. You're a terrorist now because you're.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Financing a terrorist organization.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
You can't be working with isis So what do we
do if you we find you working with ices and
emailing them, well, we go pick you up right, same
thing here, there's no difference. All these people in the
US working with the cartels are now going to be
subject to go get picked up, take it to a
military place where it isn't.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
The same due process.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
When you're dealing with terrorism, We're going to go interrogate
you and then maybe take you to get more word.
I understand we're we're making a lot of space for
these people to see what the hell are you? And
maybe you're just a corner drug pusher, but you're you're
interacting with a cartel, I mean with a terrorist group.
So I think that you start dismantling them at that
level as well, so that people will say, oh.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
I'm not going to work with them.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
I'm gonna have to go get a job at a
car wash or do something. But I think my days
on the street pushing, pushing crap is are done.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
So here's two questions.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
One, we know that the Administration, Home and others have
talked about a number which is about six hundred and
eighty thousand criminally legals, which include cartels and gangs, et cetera.
If we're arresting about one thousand eclip per day, right,
it's gonna take us over two years to get rid
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of this element. We can't go raid and take out
the cartels in their homeland until we get these people here,
because once we do that, they get activated, they attack us.
So that that's gonna be a fucking problem. The other
issue is, and there's a little bit more complex, or
maybe it's easy. You know, everything is about fentanyl. Now
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nobody's talking about cocaine, and nobody's been talking about cocaine
for a long time. And you look at the cocaine numbers,
they have not gone down, they've gone up. What's why
is nobody talking about cocaine?
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Is that is that by design? Or what?
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Love?
Speaker 3 (39:28):
I love your engagement because I've said in some interviews,
and don't forget about the cocaine because you're absolutely right
that cocaine numbers have have spiked through the roof. And
guess what now it's also laced with entanyl. A lot
of cocaine is laced marijuana, heroin is laced with entanol.
This is a problem that fentyl made its way to
all these drugs that back then, like if you were
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just a regular casual cocaine user, you didn't have to
worry about much. Well, now you have to worry that
maybe the batch that you have has pentanlon.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
You're gonna die if you.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Take a shot, so a hit. So yes, that's a
big problem. All the other drugs heroin, by the way,
is still very much available, meth, meth and feta meane.
I always say every time I go to these police
groups all around the country, you know what, Yes, we
know about fentannel people dying, but the problem that they
have on the street is with meth. Why because a
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meth user usually doesn't die, They continue to use and
use and use.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
And what do they need? They need money?
Speaker 3 (40:28):
So what happens, crime goes up, property crimes, a lot
of issues with math users, and that is the number
one problem that unanimously around the country, the police and
sheriff's departments.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
Tell me that they have a meth problem in their communities.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
So yes, we have to start taking down the meth
as well, not just the fentanyl. But to your first
question about about the cartels, Yes, and the people that
we're deporting, Yeah, I about seven hundred thousand of them.
And remember on top of that, there's a couple of
million guidaways, so we got a lot of people that
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we could concentrate on.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Here.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
There's a lot of differences. You know that it's slowed
down here in the last week or so. But let
me tell you why. First of all, it's the government
and it's adjusting itself right. People are coming into new positions,
people are being moved down to positions, and that's going
to get worked out pretty quickly.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
Okay, they're going to have the people in place.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Good.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
But then you have the sanctuary cities.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
People blocking you, mayors groups in LA putting out posters
of the ice officers and their addresses and phone numbers.
I mean shit like that. That's the problem. There's another
problem that a lot of people are not talking about.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
And I remember this.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
It's the process to remove a person from this country
is not the same process under the Obama days.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
It was simpler back.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Then, plus nobody really cared, and Obama, you know, deported
millions of people. The problem now is that when you
take custody of that body, Oh my goodness, if I
if I understand a little bit, and I'm still confused.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
Let me tell you. I talk to my friends, and
it's a.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
It's a bureaucratic crap process of paperwork. Of it depends. Uh,
let's say it's a criminal legal alien. Even if you're
convicted of a crime. All right, good, we're gonna process you.
We got you, We're gonna remove you. Oh, it's not
just taking them back, it's are you going to see
a judge or not? Because not some go through judges,
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some do not. Some can be voluntary return. There's expert
that removes, there's different ways of removals that are not deportations.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
Here's another thing.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
There needs all this extra paperwork and policies that's been
implemented since the Obama days to Biden to make it
more difficult for the federal government to remove a person.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
Believe it or not, this is this is the problem.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
So that's why you need bedspace to hold the body,
because we need to go through all this stupid paperwork
to get them processed out. Where did you come in from? What,
what time? What what what era? Did you come in
under the BIDO? Did you come in through a program?
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (43:01):
My god, all this crap that matters. I'm thinking, Hey,
even when I was working, that didn't exist.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
No, it didn't. These are new policies, so that's gonna
be cleaned out.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
I think it's gonna take a little bit to eliminate
and make it a.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
One pager, you know, said Luis, you're out.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
You were convicted of this crime or not, or just
charge with you and you're out, and get them out
and put them on planes and go. That's gonna end
up becoming a mainstream process and you're going to see it. Plus,
I like the fact that we have the I've never
seen this in my career. Got vea FBI US. Everybody
is on board now that I had heard some reports
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that there's some like FBI agents and other people like, hey,
we don't do Title eight, which is immigration.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
We're not immigration. That's not we don't. Sometimes these might
be leftist, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
They get caught up with the narrative from the left,
and that is pulling at your heartstrings. You're not a
compassionate person. You're not a humanitarian racist trying to get
a person out of country. And listen, you have to
understand that the law is a law and it has
nothing to do with what I look like. And what
it has to do is the oath that you took
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to be a federal agent and a federal investigator to
a crime as a crime. And you've got to remove people,
especially the ones that have come in here and committed.
Speaker 4 (44:20):
Horrible crimes and victims. I talked to those victims.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
Many of victims that were killed by illegal aliens, their
their their son or daughter, or have died at the
at a poisonous counterfeit pill.
Speaker 4 (44:33):
Many of them have done.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
Hundreds of them I've met with and when you hear
their stories, that's that's the compassion that I have, is
they're the real victims. They did get separated from their
families indefinitely, so we're at different times.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Yeah, it's horrible.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
You know, Uh, somebody that I did that I know
from you know, growing up as a kid, his brother,
his younger brother died from a pentoyl overdose. I know
somebody else whose niece died, you know. I mean, dude,
it's fucked up. I mean she was doing hair and
she was addicted and I guess he got lasli fetnol
and fucking died as well. So the situation is horrible.
Just real quick, I know we have about a minute
(45:11):
and a half with you. One question, what is your
everyday Carrie?
Speaker 4 (45:16):
Ah my P three twenty sig Oh nice? Now I
was a block guy.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Here's my sigging a Yes.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
Sir, I was a block nineteen. I still have a
glock nineteen. I'm surgical with that. Like a movie with
Denzel Washington. I'm surgical with that, bitch. My glock nineteen is.
But when I had to say, for many years now,
I love my sig man, I got my red dot
on it. Yes, my P three twenty. That's my every
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day carry.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
That's fantastic. And one minute left, real quick, and we'll
leave it there for the next time you come back.
Because there's so much to talk about. Man, we need
to do this on a regular basis. I really believe
that this conversation needs to be front center all the
time as much as possible. How bad is the organ
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harvesting or trafficking within this human trafficking stuff that is
happening within the cartels. It's never talked about, and I
know it's horrendous. People disappear, they're never found again, and
they are being taken out and harvested.
Speaker 4 (46:20):
Right, yes, And I'll leave you. I'll leave you with this.
It exists.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
The people that even oh, that doesn't happen, that's in
the movie. Listen, I just got chills. I wish I
wish it didn't. And there's some atrocity that I saw
that I'll never share with anybody. I share my wife
because I'll take those to my grape because that's how bad.
Speaker 4 (46:40):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
Things that in my mind that I see that I've
seen one human being doing to another, especially the child.
Speaker 4 (46:46):
It is it's evil.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
And and one of those is the organ in Harvestine.
And yes, it's an underground, very vague culture, dark.
Speaker 4 (46:56):
System that exists at the moneyout it.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
But I love to come back and we'll talk more,
because you know what it's involving here, almost on a
daily basis.
Speaker 4 (47:04):
This is changing, man.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
I do an interview in the morning, and then it
changes in the afternoon, and the interview I do in
the afternoon, it's well, wait a minute, I said, never
mind what I said in the morning, because it's really
it's that fluid right now. But I'd love to come
back with you.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
And let's do it, man, Let's do it. Let's talk
offline and let's let something up. But let's let's make
your regular here. This this thing needs to be talked
about every week, daily, all the time. I mean, the
American people do not know what can possibly fucking hit
us if this shit goes fucking south. Victor aby La
(47:38):
you're the fucking man. You're the boss, dude. Thank you
so much for coming on, and we'll see you again,
hopefully very soon.
Speaker 4 (47:44):
Appreciate your brother. I'll see you next day.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Take care, bro.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Ali Guys, it doesn't get any more clear than this.
I hope you paid attention. I hope you paid attention.
I've been talking about this crap for over a decade,
for a long long time.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
People do not take this serious.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
They see narcos, they see you know, Tony Montana scarface.
You know, they don't really understand how this works, how complicated,
how how sophisticated a network. It is professionals, not just thugs, coppos,
you know, cicarios and people like that.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
But this thing is huge, Like you said.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Think about it as Amazon, right, It's got every single layer,
from the truck driver, from the delivery guy, you know.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
From accounting and legal in HR. And he goes, yeah,
HR is a ccario.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
You know, you don't get written up, You just get
taken out back and shot or beheaded. But yeah, it
is a very complicated situation. Heads up, pay attention, you know,
and now you know, if you're part of this crap,
you better get the fuck out because now you're considered
a terrorist.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
We'll see you tomorrow. There's a lot more shit coming.
Take care.
Welcome to do gg Going Road. Today's Wednesday, February the
twenty sixth, and uh, we're just gonna come right out
of the case quickly. Our guest is unlimited time, Uh,
former special Agent Victor Avila. Victor, it's always a pleasure
to talk to you. You are man, You're a hero,
You're a patriot, You're a legend, uh, and definitely an authority.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
When when when this issue is front and center and
it's so important and something that you know, you've been
talking about for a while. I've been talking about for
a for a long time as well. It seems like
it was going on deaf ears for a long time.
And you know, it feels amazing to have President Trump
back in the White House, to have Tom Homan in
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a position that he's in, and hopefully now that we're
gonna start listening to folks like you. I do have
some concerns and I'm gonna voice them really quick and
then I'm gonna let you kind of do your thing.
But one of the concerns I have is that there
seems to be this extreme overconfidence that if we want
to go take out the cartels will go across from
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and come and wipe them out like cockroaches.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I think that is that that is.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I don't want to be in say come across the
wrong way, but it's almost an infantile comment to not
say ignorance, right, I believe we know who these people are.
They're not you know, combezinitos. They hire fucking mercenaries, a
lot of people. And just so you know the rules,
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it's truth bomb.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Z f no bullshit. So let's fucking go.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
That's right, that's right, you're spot on, and I agree
with you there. You can't underestimate the cartels. And obviously
where they have been designated as foreign test organizations, which
it's a game changer for the United States.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
That's good. So I've been talking about this for many
many years.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
A lot of my colleagues and I have been pushing
for this, and it's officially done through the State Department,
and it happened last week where Secretary of Rubio actually
put them in the books under the State Department. So
they're classified just like isis just like the Taliban. But yes,
it just just doesn't mean that, oh, we're going to
go in there and wipe them. We can, but you
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cannot underestimate the cartels because of the sophistication networks that
they have. Yes, they're headquartered in Mexico, but they are
heavily present in the United States and according to the DA,
sixty five countries around the world.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
And this is think about that.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
You think about the intelligence level that they have, the
networking and cartel members. Uh what's a cartel member? What
does it look like? Where are they? Well, they look
like you and me and their teachers, lawyers, bankers, police
officers unfortunately in some cases, and a lot of gang
members and a lot of different types of people from
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A through Z.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
There's a list that you mentioned then that how I'm
a thirteen obviously, but there's the cartels right.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Golf for right.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
I love that list. I love that list.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Whoever was you know, advising on the list, I agree
with it one hundred percent of Amana, which is great.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
It's be on there.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Obviously, go set us who killed my partner and shot
me there there there as well, and so, uh, this
is a great list.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
But so there's several things happening.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
One with the designation one, you have to attack the
cartels where it hurts the most, and that's financially, and
see what this does is strip some of their assets
or properties or the moneyes that they have everywhere, especially
in the US, hurt them there financially. Then what I
think is happening, and I think they're laying the platform
and the foundation is the military potential, military intervention. Now
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it doesn't mean going into Mexico. It means a lot
of things. But look, we already have special forces going
over there to train their special forces. We have the
drones flying over Mexico gathering intel. We have our military
flying over Mexican airspace granted by permission by the Mexicans
to patrol, especially over the Arizona Son Area desert. So
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there's a lot of things happening here. Why is all
this thing happening because we have to prepare ourselves, because,
like you said, the cartel's not gonna throw their hands
up in the air and said, Okay, we're done, it's over.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
We give up. Right, That's not gonna happen, Bro.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
It's not gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
It's expect violence, expect a response. And the fence and
still is piling up in Mexico. They need to bring it.
Human bodies are still going to get smuggled. So that's
another thing that you're going to have to see, is
the smuggling.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Now.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
One thing that I saw in the last.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Week, which is kind of crazy for me, cartel members
getting taken down and arrested in Mexico. Seizures, big seizures
of drugs in Mexico and of weapons.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
And I know why.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
It's because President Trump gave them thirty days. Remember he says,
if not, I'm going to take away the tariffs. So
Mexico right now is like trying to write a list,
you know, like the same thing that Elon Moss and
Must said.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Give me five things you did last week. Well, Mexico's yeah,
they're writing in their list right yea, I took down
this load. We did da da da.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Well, I think they're doing that to prove to President
Trump whatever they can to avoid the terror of the
twenty five percent, the terror, because that's it's a lot
of people think, ah, it's just a terriff.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Listen, it's it's so impactful for Mexico.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Eighty four percent of the things and goods that come
from Mexico comes to the United States, and so it
would really hurt them. That's The problem is they don't
have a problem with that. The problem I have is
with the car Tembile members in our country.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
What are the guys doing? What are you guys do?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, I was about to bring that up. I was
about to bring that up with you. You know.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Is obviously you have a personal story that I would
love to get into in a minute or maybe after
this dialogue. But people are like, well, what if the
car tells, you know, attack our troops or ice agents
on the border, or there's rumors about them using drones
to attack us.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Oh, we'll go ahead there and wipe them out.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
It's not gonna be that easy. But they're cart members here.
That's what people don't understand. They think that these people
are in Mexico and Colombia and.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Brew and Bolivia wherever, and they.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Come to Los Autism, Venezuela, you know, and they just
ship it like you know, they send it via DHL
and somebody you know at Miami International Airport or O'Hare
or JFK, you know, picks it up, clears customs and
you know, puts it on street corners.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
It doesn't work that way, and people don't understand that.
And I don't know if you can explain for the
vast majority, because you understand, I mean a lot of
people don't know, right, and they just you know, I
don't know. Maybe they just don't have the curiosity. You
don't understand. But how does that process work. There's a
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logistical process, right, and there are people along the way
that all work for the cartels. And there are a
lot of these people here which are a threat and
danger right now this minute to second to us citizens.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Spot on, you're spot on.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
It is a network of a lot of different types
of people, not just like you said, not just the couriers,
not just the mules that pick up I'm talking about
networks because part of the whole network and the business
of the cartels is the money. You have to do
something with the money, and so you have people financing them.
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The money laundering aspect of this is out of control.
You name the business, and the cartels have had their
hand in it. Their money is incorporated in the world
banking system. This is how significant this is. So when
you have all these illicit funds traveling through as many
channels as you can, we have a problem. I call
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them reps. They have reps in the US permanently. They
live here, and their sole purpose to be in the
US is to do many many things, not just scout,
not just deliver drugs, but conduct businesses where they're listed.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Well, these are business people, right, not just not just
not just soldiers.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Good example, I'll give you one example. There is a
business open. It was in Fort Worth, Texas, and I
talked to the owner. This is the owner of the business.
She was opening a restaurant in a little strip mall
in Fort Worth. And she does her thing, the legal
paperworking on to open a restaurant, and she finally gets
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to open and and then one day, two guys mysteriously
in the car drive up and park in front, and
they walk in and they start basically interrogating her, and
she's like.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Who the hell are you guys?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
And they were cartel members, and they wanted to know
because this is this is what I'm telling you, this example,
it's a real it's a.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Real story, by the way.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Well, they wanted to know who she was, what she wanted,
what her intentions, who she was connected with, and and
all that. And and at this point she wasn't extorted,
which is good, but they were checking to see who's
coming into their territory because they control that, even even
the shopping center. So in Texas, so this happens, This happened,
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This happens in Mexico all the time.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
In Mexico. You know the people in Mexico, you.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Go are they're they're tired of being extorted. They're sick
and tired of paying the cartel the quota every two
weeks every month just because they have a business. They're
stick and tired of that and being terrorized and everything else. Right, yeah, yeah,
(10:10):
So it's and uh and so uh this happens in
the US more than people know. And uh, the audacity,
the way these guys kind of carry themselves around the
whole entire United States. This is the This is the
part where I don't know how these guys are gonna retaliate.
They're not gonna like the fact that the pressure is
coming on from the federal government. A lot of these
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guys are US citizens, a lot of them are illegal too,
and so we have to weep these guys out, identify
them and get them out of here. But is it
gonna take an act? Uh, this is the part that
I'm not sure what's gonna happen. Is the cartel gonna
do something that's gonna trigger the United States an incredible
response or you know, to me, they've already triggered US
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with thousands and thousands of deaths.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
With Phentomo pills. I think that's enough.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
But are they gonna like you said, are they gonna
kill I want to kill a boor with toy agent
or a police officer, a civilian and sparked this incredible
response by the United States where we're not gonna We're
not gonna care. Donald Trump's not gonna care. And what
and then and then you will see a military action
that has never been seen before.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah, it would be decimating.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
But but and I say the butt because there would
be a lot of violence and casualties here in the streets.
I've seen it, You've seen it. We've seen it in Mexico.
We've seen it in Columbia. We've seen it in the
streets in Peru Qut, your own bas car bombs, dry bys.
I mean, it is bloodshed, it's nasty, it's extremely violent,
and the American people are not used to that, right,
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They're not.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
You might see it on TV and you think, oh
it all happens over there. Remember it used to happen
in Middle East. Yeah, it was six thousand miles away. Well,
you know what, look at it. I know you want
to talk about this eventure was just killed on the
other side of the border.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
With an ied right there, but ad him. By the way.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
It was two people that died. A third person is
in the Hut hospital, but an ID. That's right, that's right,
because their terrors is they have car bombs, IEDs, shoulder
propelled grenade launchers, belfit machine guns, military great weapons.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Yes, armored vehicles.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Now, I know when people say you want to compare
the cartel to US military, Well, of course they're not
going to be a match to our full blown military.
But it doesn't mean that they can't take down a helicopter.
It doesn't mean that they could take down an.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Airplane or kill somebody. They obviously have their capabilities.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah, I mean, look, they have unlimited money, so they
can buy the best weapons.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Out in the black market, right. I mean, that's a fact.
It's a known fact, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
You know, we've talked offline many times, you know, and
I've known plenty of and I know plenty of folks.
You know, in the DA that have done you know,
Latin America, Mexico or whatever.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
And they used to tell me, you know, we know
exactly who they are.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, you know, if we want to go meet with them,
we just call their admin insteat up an appointment.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
You know.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
It's He's like, the issue is arresting them, you know,
because you don't have evidence of proof or whatever, and
you know whatever, it's.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
More complicated than that. But but.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
They're surrounded by people that are very well trained, very
well equipped. They have the highest technology there. It's not
going to be an easy thing. And if you hit one,
everybody that's on this side of the border is going
to get activated and you're gonna start seeing car bombs, explosions,
everything all over the streets of the United States. I
don't think, do you. I don't think. I don't think
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the US citizen is prepared for that kind of bloodbath.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
I mean, you know, you remember in Colombia.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I mean, imagine you're going to the bank or going
to our shoppings, are in a car bomb explodes and
you know, fifteen people get shred of the pieces. That
would be absolute chaos here. And it happens three times
a day. Every day for you know, a year and
a half. It would I think the economy, everything would
collapse because this country is not used to that.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
And I think the US is where and especially our
military intelligence has to gather this before any type of action,
because the one that has the intel is the one
that has the advantage. And I think that's what we're
grabbing now. The cartel has always had the intel before us.
There are always a couple of steps ahead of law enforcement.
That's why they smuggled everything into the country. Now we
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get we gain traction on that. Now we can have
a response to try to avoid exactly what you're saying
and contain that violence down by the border or in
Mexico and not let us fill Here's another thing that
I heard of one of my friends say yesterday actually
in an interview, and I was I was quite surprised,
and I'm going to share it with you to see
what you think, because at first I was like, no,
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this is I didn't believe it, and I started thinking
about it. But he said that he believed is that
the cartel members, if there was a retaliation by the
United States or an attack by the United States inside Mexico,
that the cartels would actually not fight back, and and
and hear me out, because the cartels are not loyal
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to anybody. They're loyal to themselves, and they would actually
not want to protect another cartel wherever they want to.
They always want to kill each other anyway, even within
the cartel, they're always fighting for positions and all that.
And I started thinking, hmm, you know what, these guys
are cowards when they're by themselves.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
That that's true.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I I you know, when they're together in a group,
they're they're in bolden. But I've dealt with a lot
of them individually, and you'd be like, yeah, they're killers,
but their killers were the group, you know. And so
interesting that he my friend said that, and he's one
that's been involved a lot in the in this this
whole world as well.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
And I thought, well, this is interesting. If they would
kind of say.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
No, no, I'm not going to fight for them, and and
I want to get killed by the United States government.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Well, you know, go back to Escouadum, right, Gotti maying,
they're like, go ahead, Jason down, kill them, right, He's
not our problem, right right? Why wouldn't it happen in Mexico.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
They'll start giving each other up, right, that's the guy.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, they'll just cut deals.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
They're business people, right, They're going to cut a deal,
you know, and they'll say, hey, you know, I'll help
you get some of these guys that you leave me alone,
give me a ten, ten year, fifteen year grace period,
eggs of the business or or something, right, something that
I've heard a lot, and you brought it up on
the laundering thing, and I think it's very critical and
I was reading a lot of it last night to prepare.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
For this call.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
The amount of laundering that has been going on in
real estate in this country has been astronomical and credited
to a lot of the pricing hikes and all that
they're saying, forget Blackstone, forget these things. It's a cartel
money that's really driving real estate investments, and a lot
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of it is being washed, especially with the Texas.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
You know, what do you know about that? I know
you've been Oh my.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
God, I was briefed on a big, big case by
one of the chiefs.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
He's no longer there. As a matter of fact, they
forced him out.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
I think he was in I'm not sure if it
was Kentucky up there somewhere.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
The connection of the money laundry with exactly with the mortgages,
and they were setting the standard.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
They are setting the standard for the market. Yeah, that's
how big it is.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
And so the prices that they would sell the house,
they would pay an astromanical amount because they have the
money on a property that you would think, no, as
a regular person, I'm gonna go buy this, just say
one hundred thousand dollars property.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Well they'll get it for three hundred thousand.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
And you're like, well, I'm out, I can't do that,
and they start setting you do that over and over
and over.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
All of a sudden, all the houses are three hundred thousand.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
So that is as a big, big case linked to
Arizona as well.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Potential maybe elected officials.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
I mean, this is big because think about the amount
we're talking about, billions of dollars and drugs come north,
money goes south, but then the money comes back north.
And that's a lot of times that people don't understand
the money is now coming back north because.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
It has to be implemented com.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Or now they do they have a lot of cash, yes,
but it's in the banking system. They have to put
it in the banks, they have to put it in mortgage. Companies,
use car lots, you name the business, restaurants. So I say,
if you would take the illicit funds one day, magically
take the money, all the bad money from the cartels
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out of the banks, you would see banks and Opasso, McCallen,
La Jelo collapse overnight.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
I was reading about McCallen especially, and then I was
also listening to you know, going back a little bit
in history about the Mob's involvement with the cartels and
how they're laundered money for the cartels, the Genavieese family,
the Gambino, the Colombo family, especially in boxing, and how
they bought boxers and controlled outcomes of fights, and they
talked about you know, big fights.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
You know they can control.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Vito alto Fermo, you know his fight against Hagler, and
you know Duran, Davey Moore and et cetera.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Real clue.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I mean, the cartels reach and that's what people don't get.
And that's why I wanted you on the show because
this is a no bullshit show in its long form,
and it's very important to really just deep dive and
explain the details because people don't understand. They see narcos
and they think, you know, these people in these outskirts
in these hills and they just have parties with cocaine
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and women and hookers and you know, and they don't understand.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Dude, this is a business, a very sophisticated business.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
With very deep financial ties and professionals, accountants, you know,
risk analysis, analysts, I mean everything, right, you know, you know.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
What I call them.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
And then when I do these talks in front of
law enforcement, I tell me just first of all, I
take away the bias of what you think a cartel
member looks like. They're not all wearing a caboin hat
with the pointy boots. That's what you're thinking. I know,
that's what you're thinking.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
No, they look like you and me, like all of us.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
It's a sixty year old woman, it's a seventeen year
old high school kid. It's everything in between. And every
profession they've had them. We've arrested people that worked at
the courthouses giving them information, at lawyer's offices, I mean,
anywhere you can think of where they're gathering intel. Now,
that's one thing I talked to him about and I
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tell the police groups the body that you find that
either is a poisoning of a death of fentanyl, and
I tell them, and you have it in front of you,
there is a connection of how that body ended up
in front of you. And there's a lot of crime
in the United States that's associated to the cartel that
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is not officially.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
It's not tagged US cards.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
We had we had a car jacking, or there was
a murder in Chicago. I'm not saying all of them,
but a lot of those crimes are linked to Sinaloa Galisco.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
And they're linked to them because what is it.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
It's their drugs, it's their supplies, their humans that they're
giving and and the money. And so part of the
times that they treat it as an isolated incident and
it's not.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
It's right, and it's and it just tag does that right,
it's not tagged as a cartel crime.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
And uh.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
And so if you really would look at it, the
same thing with illegal.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Immigration crime, they don't want to say it was an
illegal alien committed because of politics.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
What a reason.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
But when it comes to the cartel, there's a lot
of crime in the United States linked to the murders, rapes,
violent crimes that hits that are ordered by the cartel
from wherever there are, from inside prisons, from inside prisons
in the United States. So absolutely you're spot on with
that analysis and the the bias of what these guys
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are involved in. I tell I tell the groups. I
want you to think of them as Amazon. What do
you think when you think of Amazon, Well, you think
of a multi billion dollar industry, distribution centers around the world,
very well organized, right, Well.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
That's the cartel. That's the cartel. They have billions of dollars.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
They're well organized, they have distribution centers all over the world.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
And the only difference with them is that.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Their their practice is murder, extortion, kidnapping and all that.
That's how they function and that's how they, you know,
keep their employees in order.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
It's a different type of discipline.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
But yeah, nobody gets written up, right, nobody gets written
up and sent home no pay.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Well, there is an HR, but the HR happens to
be a cicadio.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
So let's talk about a familia. You had a personal
encounter with them, David once you roll that tape.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Let's hear it. Go ahead, shot, We're not.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Shot on the highway.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
On the high.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
February twenty eleven, Victor Avila calling the US Embassy for
help after he and his partner had been attacked on
Highway fifty seven, a road in Mexico. They had been
warned about. Avi La had met his partner high mess
up Auta the day before their assignment had taken them
on Highway fifty seven. Avi Law was hired as an
(23:29):
ICE Special Agent US diplomat in Mexico City, working out
of the US Embassy.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
My main concentration in Mexico was human trafficking. I was
helping dismantle organizations that traffic women and children from Mexico into.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
All right, Victor, why don't you tell us a story
versus a reporter That was Uh, that was horrible. It
made the hair stand on my head, my arms, and
the rest of my body. You've told me that story personally,
it is uh, it is horrendous. And I know we've
talked about another story about as well. My god, you know,
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everybody should pray for your partner for a special agent
Sapata and his family walk us through. Uh, if you can,
I can imagine. The memories have got to be fucking horrifying.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
They are.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
And this this this month was the fourteenth year anniversary,
and I can't believe how quickly time flies. But uh yeah,
I always I will always talk about it. I will
always mention it, and I'll talk about the memory of
Agents Sapata because he paid the ultimate sacrifice in defending
our homeland with his life and the line of duty.
I'm here by the grace of God because I got
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shot three times. I'm telling you there's a reason why
I'm here, maybe just to do this to bring the
awareness to the people and my experience.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
But it was a horrible, horrible day.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
We were ambushed by two SUVs full of Seta cartel members.
Now we didn't know the Rezeta at the time, and.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
So so explain to people that what is a zetta.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
A Seta is a cartel well in the the other
side of Texas, southern portion of Texas.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
UH.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
They control that area, the SETAs UH faction. After all this,
the faction into a group now called CDNE, which is
really on the other side of Larello and Larelo, Texas.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
That's their that's their main territory, the.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
SETAs or a cartel that they actually UH came out
of the golf cartel. They were enforcers, a lot of
them military trained and trained by UH. Started the training
started in Guatemala. Actually people think in Mexico, but actually
starting Guatemala. Us UH special forces trained some of them
and they became the most part of the most violent
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cartel out there. These are the guys that at one
point you started using the violence as intimidation tactics against
other cartels and terrorizing the people.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
And they're in there and they were fully trained too, right,
which which made.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Military weapons tactics, all of that very very disciplined individuals
and violence, violent meeting these other guys that started chopping
off heads, dismemboring bodies, pulling your heart out of your
chest while you're still alive, burning you while you're alive,
skinning people. Horrible, horrible. I've seen too many videos and
I don't want to see them anymore. But these are
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the types that that's why these guys on that day
on February fifteenth of twenty eleven, they knew that we
were Americans.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
They testified about it in court.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
And I'm going to give you an update that I
just got this morning that nobody knows and I'm going
to share it with you. And they opened fire, and
they opened fire, and they killed my partner and shot
me three times. And during custody they were actually got
in to the US. It's a big mess. It was
eight of them. One of seven, one was pronounced or
considered dead. And these seven two went to prison for life.
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They never spoke, they never cooperated. The other five got
these tremendous deals thirty five, thirty four, twenty eight, and
the list goes down of years that they got in
prison for killing a US federal agent. Just this morning,
I get a call from the US attorney and think
about this. Fourteen years later. She tells me that the
main guy, they call him stakas, the main guy of
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the hit group of the sicadios of the cartels, filed emotion.
And I'm not making this up. I wish I was
filed emotion to the court to be considered for a
compassionate release.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Oh my god, can you fucking believe that? I'm sorry
for the language.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Ah, dude, Hey, this is the show man that farms
are part of it? Are you fucking kidding me.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
It man.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
I just got the call about an hour before I
come on, and I had to hold my breath.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
My daughter was sitting next to me and she's just
had like calm down that.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
And I let the attorneys talk and they're telling me
Victor were fighting it, and they said, Okay, we know
how you feel, but go ahead tell us and I
tell him listen. First of all, the audacity that this
poker has to even file this motion. Some household jail
lawyer probably he told him about this, but nevertheless, this
is you have to take it serious.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
You have to go through the motions.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Now.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
He's saying that he's no longer a cartel member, he's rehabilitated,
and you should be released on compassionately for killing the
US federal agent and wounding another. Here's this is what
I told him. I said, obviously you know how I feel,
but remember this and an emotion. I want you to
include that this is a terrorist now, and if the
court would consider any kind of release, there would be
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considering releasing a terrorist because these guys are evil doers.
They're they're evil there, I don't know other words.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
And they are terrorists, right, I mean, and the terrorists.
You didn't call them cartels, drug traffickers. But but but
at the end, in the essence, they're terrorists because they
they live on terror, they.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Live with terror, and they create terror. Right.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
List, when I do these plantations, I put the terrorist list,
I use it example, and then a cartel and all
of the things that they're involved in. And the majority
of the times everybody picks the cartel as a terrorist.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
I don't tell him which was which.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
By the way, Yeah, and because there everything you talked about,
the bombs, extortions, uh, the everything, the violence.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
As a matter of fact, they've killed more Americans than any.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Other uh terrorist organization in.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
The world, hands down.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
They have.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
They're linked with China, They're linked with Venezuela, They're linked
with Cuba, They're linked with Hezbola Iran. I'm telling you
this is the bigger picture about what we're talking. When
we talk about security, you gotta start focusing on the
big picture of I remember.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
I remember back in back in the day when Chavis
was so alive and he opened his uh you know,
his general console, and Damascusia was giving you know, visas
to to Venezuela, to Caracas, uh to Hamas and Hezbela
and you know Iranian National Army, and they were going
into the as well, getting venezuela and identities, going through
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Latin America and doing deals with the cartels.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Right, there's a financing everybody, just like you and I
know it.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
All these terrort groups know, hey, that's where the money is,
that's going there and get financed by these guys, so
they'll help them with the human smuggling, trafficking and drugs,
whatever it is that they need to do to get
financed and assistance through Mexico by the way, to get
into the US.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
I always said it many times.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
All these groups and all the illegal aliens, they know
that being in Mexico was as good as being in
the US because Mexico allowed all this to happen. That's
why there has to be a lot of accountability on
Mexico and we have to hold them accountable because they've
allowed a lot of this to happen through the country.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Because so it's perfect, perfect segue into my next question,
because you just you just took.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Us there by default.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
So it's been said, not publicly maybe, but we've always
talked about it, you know, for years that there's always
been somebody that's been linked to the cartels in every
cabinet in the Mexican government for at least twenty five
thirty years.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
We know that to be a fact.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
There's been people that have been arrested here and then
released and sent back because.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Who knows why, right, how do you stop that?
Speaker 1 (31:22):
I mean, I think that's going to be the biggest
challenge that this administration is going to have. You already
see Mexican's president trying to push legislation in response to
that list that Trump put out. It's not a political
it's not a political solution, Victor, It's just.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Not It's very difficult. It's a very difficult issue because
that corruption is a cancer in Mexico, and there's been
an evolution. It used to be where a politician had
the ultimate power and use the cartels for bribery reasons,
for whatever reasons, but now the tables have turned. It's
it's it's the cartel has been running a parallel government
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for all of Amilo's term. Amelo is probably the most
corrupt believe it, but listen to what I'm about to say.
It's probably the most corrupt narco terrorist ever in the
history of Mexico.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
And how would you compare them the Javes, Well, the
president of the poor people?
Speaker 4 (32:18):
Yeah, that fuck her.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
How would you compare Amlo to Javes? Parallel, worse or less?
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Same? Communist socialist communists?
Speaker 2 (32:28):
No, but his ties with the cartels we we know.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Oh yeah, oh easy, the same. Clather Shinbaum is a
is a futball communist. He is actually in a very
difficult position right now because another party is you know,
they hate Donald Trump, and Clana Sheinbaum is a president,
is between Donald Trump and her party, and she doesn't
know what to do. She's trying to appease the party
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and doesn't want to get hurt by Donald Trump with
the terrorists and all this other stuff.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
And that's what's going on right now.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
And she's making some now you'll see her the public statements,
I'm not going to allow the United States to come
here and violate our sovereignty. But I've heard that all
many times. But underneath, covertly, she's allowing a lot of
things for the US to do. Here's the problem is
that the cartels control all this, the Cantel, the attorneys
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in Mexico, the cartel members, they control the money, they
control the ASCDOR, they control the decisions, the policy.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
This is the big difference there.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
You're talking about organized crime controlling the system there. So
here's the difficulty. How do you separate it? Well, you
can't separate. And I want people to understand. There are
good people in Mexico. There are people that are not
corrupt and are trying to do the best, but the
majority are tainted.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
And people say, how do you say that.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Well, two of the people that I work with when
I was in Mexico, who was the head of the
Federal Police, is in custody in New York for being
us in a law cartel member. The number two, guy
Luis Palo Mades Solomino, responded to our shooting in San
Luis Potosi. He landed in the black Hawk helicopter there
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that we paid for, by the way, and he is
in custody in the in Mexico for torture and and
other you know, drug trafficking and corruption charges. Yes, there
were members of the cabinet, There are members of the
old Nation.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
This is how high level the corruption goes.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
And we were forced to work with these people because
they were putting these posts and so we knew that
we had to navigate every single day about the information,
how we shared it, we didn't share it vettic groups
and oh it gets complicated. So you're right on and
how it's very difficult to separate. So at one point
you say, well, we don't separate it.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
The United States.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
We have to treat them all as a corrupt, uh
you know, entity, and then we start taking them down.
And that's probably the only way that we could actually
have a solution for.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Both countries, because when you start.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Cleaning up, it's going to benefit everyone a lot of
people people, not just the United States and Mexico, but
a lot of other people that have been look at
the line trade, the avocado growers, the mangol crow growers,
the petroleros, the steel trade. We're telling the cartel has
a hand in a lot of these businesses, and they're
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sick and tired of being controlled by these people because
they have control of the of the mountains of the
where they're growing their weed, where they're growing all this stuff,
and the one hundred super labs around Mexico that are
making the methamphetamine and fentanyl. Now, those I think if
you see any activity from the United States. That's probably
the first thing that you're going to see position attacks
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on taking out the labs at least to take out
the supply.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
You know.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
No, we did that. We did that a lot in Peru.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Right, We would go there and blow up all the
fucking labs and they would just pop up another one
the next day.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
So, you know, it was it was a crazy, crazy situation.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
I remember when and I don't know if you remember this,
but when Mexico and the US, I mean Colombia and
the US did blank Columbia, yeah, right, and uh and
then all of a sudden Peru became the number one
ex worder cocaine.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
You know, and everyone was like, hey, you know, uh,
the benefits of free trade agreements. Uh, you know, and
because you know, when you.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Cut out the Colombians, all of a sudden, the Mexicans
went to Peru and started getting it, and they cut
that margin out, gave them a lot more money and
resources to go spend in Mexico and really belching.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Well that's happening now.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Yeah, and it's happening now in Mexico, you know, where
to Central America to.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
All the way down there.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yes, yes, absolutely, especially China, China, when they got all
this pressure about the fencannel and the precursors and chemicals
they bring in.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
There's so much pressure.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
They still do it with Mexico, but they started kind of,
you know, kind of bringing it down.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
Not so they said, Okay, we're.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Gonna bring it into what the mela to bring it
into you know, the Central America, and then bring it
in that way so it wouldn't be that obvious. So yes,
that's what they do. They'll adjust. This is why you
have to when you eliminate the cartels. It's not just
from the top down like we've done a lot of
many years. It's from the bottom up because you know
what the designation what it does is if you're a
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gang member in the United States that say a drug
pusher and you're pushing drugs for the Sinaloa cartel, that's
not a terrorist. You're a terrorist now because you're.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Financing a terrorist organization.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
You can't be working with isis So what do we
do if you we find you working with ices and
emailing them, well, we go pick you up right, same
thing here, there's no difference. All these people in the
US working with the cartels are now going to be
subject to go get picked up, take it to a
military place where it isn't.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
The same due process.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
When you're dealing with terrorism, We're going to go interrogate
you and then maybe take you to get more word.
I understand we're we're making a lot of space for
these people to see what the hell are you? And
maybe you're just a corner drug pusher, but you're you're
interacting with a cartel, I mean with a terrorist group.
So I think that you start dismantling them at that
level as well, so that people will say, oh.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
I'm not going to work with them.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
I'm gonna have to go get a job at a
car wash or do something. But I think my days
on the street pushing, pushing crap is are done.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
So here's two questions.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
One, we know that the Administration, Home and others have
talked about a number which is about six hundred and
eighty thousand criminally legals, which include cartels and gangs, et cetera.
If we're arresting about one thousand eclip per day, right,
it's gonna take us over two years to get rid
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of this element. We can't go raid and take out
the cartels in their homeland until we get these people here,
because once we do that, they get activated, they attack us.
So that that's gonna be a fucking problem. The other
issue is, and there's a little bit more complex, or
maybe it's easy. You know, everything is about fentanyl. Now
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nobody's talking about cocaine, and nobody's been talking about cocaine
for a long time. And you look at the cocaine numbers,
they have not gone down, they've gone up. What's why
is nobody talking about cocaine?
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Is that is that by design? Or what?
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Love?
Speaker 3 (39:28):
I love your engagement because I've said in some interviews,
and don't forget about the cocaine because you're absolutely right
that cocaine numbers have have spiked through the roof. And
guess what now it's also laced with entanyl. A lot
of cocaine is laced marijuana, heroin is laced with entanol.
This is a problem that fentyl made its way to
all these drugs that back then, like if you were
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just a regular casual cocaine user, you didn't have to
worry about much. Well, now you have to worry that
maybe the batch that you have has pentanlon.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
You're gonna die if you.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Take a shot, so a hit. So yes, that's a
big problem. All the other drugs heroin, by the way,
is still very much available, meth, meth and feta meane.
I always say every time I go to these police
groups all around the country, you know what, Yes, we
know about fentannel people dying, but the problem that they
have on the street is with meth. Why because a
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meth user usually doesn't die, They continue to use and
use and use.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
And what do they need? They need money?
Speaker 3 (40:28):
So what happens, crime goes up, property crimes, a lot
of issues with math users, and that is the number
one problem that unanimously around the country, the police and
sheriff's departments.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
Tell me that they have a meth problem in their communities.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
So yes, we have to start taking down the meth
as well, not just the fentanyl. But to your first
question about about the cartels, Yes, and the people that
we're deporting, Yeah, I about seven hundred thousand of them.
And remember on top of that, there's a couple of
million guidaways, so we got a lot of people that
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we could concentrate on.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Here.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
There's a lot of differences. You know that it's slowed
down here in the last week or so. But let
me tell you why. First of all, it's the government
and it's adjusting itself right. People are coming into new positions,
people are being moved down to positions, and that's going
to get worked out pretty quickly.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
Okay, they're going to have the people in place.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Good.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
But then you have the sanctuary cities.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
People blocking you, mayors groups in LA putting out posters
of the ice officers and their addresses and phone numbers.
I mean shit like that. That's the problem. There's another
problem that a lot of people are not talking about.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
And I remember this.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
It's the process to remove a person from this country
is not the same process under the Obama days.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
It was simpler back.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Then, plus nobody really cared, and Obama, you know, deported
millions of people. The problem now is that when you
take custody of that body, Oh my goodness, if I
if I understand a little bit, and I'm still confused.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
Let me tell you. I talk to my friends, and
it's a.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
It's a bureaucratic crap process of paperwork. Of it depends. Uh,
let's say it's a criminal legal alien. Even if you're
convicted of a crime. All right, good, we're gonna process you.
We got you, We're gonna remove you. Oh, it's not
just taking them back, it's are you going to see
a judge or not? Because not some go through judges,
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some do not. Some can be voluntary return. There's expert
that removes, there's different ways of removals that are not deportations.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
Here's another thing.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
There needs all this extra paperwork and policies that's been
implemented since the Obama days to Biden to make it
more difficult for the federal government to remove a person.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
Believe it or not, this is this is the problem.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
So that's why you need bedspace to hold the body,
because we need to go through all this stupid paperwork
to get them processed out. Where did you come in from? What,
what time? What what what era? Did you come in
under the BIDO? Did you come in through a program?
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (43:01):
My god, all this crap that matters. I'm thinking, Hey,
even when I was working, that didn't exist.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
No, it didn't. These are new policies, so that's gonna
be cleaned out.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
I think it's gonna take a little bit to eliminate
and make it a.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
One pager, you know, said Luis, you're out.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
You were convicted of this crime or not, or just
charge with you and you're out, and get them out
and put them on planes and go. That's gonna end
up becoming a mainstream process and you're going to see it. Plus,
I like the fact that we have the I've never
seen this in my career. Got vea FBI US. Everybody
is on board now that I had heard some reports
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that there's some like FBI agents and other people like, hey,
we don't do Title eight, which is immigration.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
We're not immigration. That's not we don't. Sometimes these might
be leftist, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
They get caught up with the narrative from the left,
and that is pulling at your heartstrings. You're not a
compassionate person. You're not a humanitarian racist trying to get
a person out of country. And listen, you have to
understand that the law is a law and it has
nothing to do with what I look like. And what
it has to do is the oath that you took
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to be a federal agent and a federal investigator to
a crime as a crime. And you've got to remove people,
especially the ones that have come in here and committed.
Speaker 4 (44:20):
Horrible crimes and victims. I talked to those victims.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
Many of victims that were killed by illegal aliens, their
their their son or daughter, or have died at the
at a poisonous counterfeit pill.
Speaker 4 (44:33):
Many of them have done.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
Hundreds of them I've met with and when you hear
their stories, that's that's the compassion that I have, is
they're the real victims. They did get separated from their
families indefinitely, so we're at different times.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Yeah, it's horrible.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
You know, Uh, somebody that I did that I know
from you know, growing up as a kid, his brother,
his younger brother died from a pentoyl overdose. I know
somebody else whose niece died, you know. I mean, dude,
it's fucked up. I mean she was doing hair and
she was addicted and I guess he got lasli fetnol
and fucking died as well. So the situation is horrible.
Just real quick, I know we have about a minute
(45:11):
and a half with you. One question, what is your
everyday Carrie?
Speaker 4 (45:16):
Ah my P three twenty sig Oh nice? Now I
was a block guy.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Here's my sigging a Yes.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
Sir, I was a block nineteen. I still have a
glock nineteen. I'm surgical with that. Like a movie with
Denzel Washington. I'm surgical with that, bitch. My glock nineteen is.
But when I had to say, for many years now,
I love my sig man, I got my red dot
on it. Yes, my P three twenty. That's my every
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day carry.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
That's fantastic. And one minute left, real quick, and we'll
leave it there for the next time you come back.
Because there's so much to talk about. Man, we need
to do this on a regular basis. I really believe
that this conversation needs to be front center all the
time as much as possible. How bad is the organ
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harvesting or trafficking within this human trafficking stuff that is
happening within the cartels. It's never talked about, and I
know it's horrendous. People disappear, they're never found again, and
they are being taken out and harvested.
Speaker 4 (46:20):
Right, yes, And I'll leave you. I'll leave you with this.
It exists.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
The people that even oh, that doesn't happen, that's in
the movie. Listen, I just got chills. I wish I
wish it didn't. And there's some atrocity that I saw
that I'll never share with anybody. I share my wife
because I'll take those to my grape because that's how bad.
Speaker 4 (46:40):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
Things that in my mind that I see that I've
seen one human being doing to another, especially the child.
Speaker 4 (46:46):
It is it's evil.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
And and one of those is the organ in Harvestine.
And yes, it's an underground, very vague culture, dark.
Speaker 4 (46:56):
System that exists at the moneyout it.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
But I love to come back and we'll talk more,
because you know what it's involving here, almost on a
daily basis.
Speaker 4 (47:04):
This is changing, man.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
I do an interview in the morning, and then it
changes in the afternoon, and the interview I do in
the afternoon, it's well, wait a minute, I said, never
mind what I said in the morning, because it's really
it's that fluid right now. But I'd love to come
back with you.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
And let's do it, man, Let's do it. Let's talk
offline and let's let something up. But let's let's make
your regular here. This this thing needs to be talked
about every week, daily, all the time. I mean, the
American people do not know what can possibly fucking hit
us if this shit goes fucking south. Victor aby La
(47:38):
you're the fucking man. You're the boss, dude. Thank you
so much for coming on, and we'll see you again,
hopefully very soon.
Speaker 4 (47:44):
Appreciate your brother. I'll see you next day.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Take care, bro.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Ali Guys, it doesn't get any more clear than this.
I hope you paid attention. I hope you paid attention.
I've been talking about this crap for over a decade,
for a long long time.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
People do not take this serious.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
They see narcos, they see you know, Tony Montana scarface.
You know, they don't really understand how this works, how complicated,
how how sophisticated a network. It is professionals, not just thugs, coppos,
you know, cicarios and people like that.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
But this thing is huge, Like you said.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Think about it as Amazon, right, It's got every single layer,
from the truck driver, from the delivery guy, you know.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
From accounting and legal in HR. And he goes, yeah,
HR is a ccario.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
You know, you don't get written up, You just get
taken out back and shot or beheaded. But yeah, it
is a very complicated situation. Heads up, pay attention, you know,
and now you know, if you're part of this crap,
you better get the fuck out because now you're considered
a terrorist.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
We'll see you tomorrow. There's a lot more shit coming.
Take care.
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