February 28, 2025 • 48 mins
Guys you do NOT want to miss today's show. Mexico releases Cartel members to US custody. And some big names on the list! We have former #ICE Supervisory Special Agent Victor Avila back to discuss this and deep dive into what this all means.
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Speaker 1 (00:22):
Welcome to dotgh gon Rogue. I suspect many of you
are here because of the video I posted last night
and because of the news that broke yesterday that the
Mexican government has handed over custody of many cartel members
and many of them are already here in the US.
We have Supervisory Special Agent former ICE Victor Aguila back
(00:49):
again to discuss this. I brought up the fact of
cainto He's gonna mention some people that are very dear
and close to him that he's happy are are are
are in US custody. Victor. Let's not waste time, man,
Let's go absolutely.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Brother, Thanks for getting me back on to discuss this.
This is a if you notice, it was kind of
a it kind of hit the news. It just kind
of hit it yesterday and I started getting a bunch
of phone calls from a bunch of people and my sources.
And when they were calling me, some of them are
already en route. Some of these criminals, Cattail members were
already in route. And here's the thing about here's the
(01:29):
I'm gonna tell you the positives and negatives and how
and the political ramifications that's going on here.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
This is great, This is great news.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
These are people that the United States has been asking
Mexico for extradition for a long time decade, not yesterday.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I'm talking about some people ten or more years.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I've been asking for their extradition to be held accountable
and brought to justice in the US. Why because not
only do we have active warrants for them, because the
activities that conductive from Mexico into the US drug trafficking, uh,
human trafficking, money laundering, extortion, you name it.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
A bunch of.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Charges uh affect us in different districts right New York, Chicago, Dallas,
and a bunch of places. So, man, this list gets
released yesterday. And who's on there, Well, the one that
caught my eye immediately obviously we'll talk about because I
have something to share with you there. But also the
SETAs man, the set Ta Guarenta helm right here, the
(02:29):
set Ta Guarenta, the Trevino brothers basically in set which
are the founding fathers, if you will, of those zetas
who are now have fanctioned faction off to CDN cartelin
Oreste which their territory is running the other side of Laredo, Texas.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
And no larelo Mexico and man just.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I think last week, as soon as last week that
Mexico had denied the extradition. So all of a sudden,
they're put it on an airplane and and they're here, brother,
and that's good.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Some of these guys.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Are older, but a lot of them because of the
heinous crimes that they committed, not only just in Mexico
but again in the US. They they deserve to be
brought over. Let me tell you other people there. One
of them that I don't know why he's not getting
that much attention.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Do you know who this guy is?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
I know you know who it is. Let me tell
you what this guy is. This guy is a Malo carrio.
This is brother from the Hottest cartel when I used
to work in that territory, and the Hottest cartel was
the most powerful cartel in the world. A Malo car
as you guys know, is the one that uh supposedly
died during a facial reconstruction surgery and his brother took over.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
These guys, these were the first ones that you heard
of that were making money in the billions.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
There was reports that.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I mean they were there were they were bad ass right, they.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Were bad ass man and uh and when the set
dust came men, And if you watch the last series
of Narcos Mexico, it's kind of where where it stops,
where they hand over to Amalocariofuentes. They call him Senolo
Cielo's of the Sky, that the Lord of the Skies,
because he's the one that started using the airplanes to
bring in the cocaine and everything else into the US.
(04:17):
But those settas are the ones that introduced the violence,
and we talked a little bit about that last time.
These guys are the ones that started chopping off heads
and doing all this crazy stuff and then forced the
Juadist cartel to become more violent than what they were,
enforced the Sinaloa cartel, the golf cartels and every others
to start doing the same thing that they're doing because
you have to keep up. But it was those zettas
(04:39):
really that introduced the barbaric type of nature that we
know of what these cartels have been engaged in, bombs,
I eds, you name it. And of course, man, you know,
I was so happy for the.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
As the.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Marina's family and kick him out in an x D.
A agent that was captured, tortured, and murdered in Mexico
in nineteen eighty five. Man, We've been wanting him for
a long time. DA has been wanting him for a
long time in Mexico, you know, politically, Uh, and a
lot of different reasons have been messing around and with
(05:22):
the United States when it came to a h So let.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Me ask you, let me let me pause your right
right here, because I want to. I want to. I
want to spend a good amount of time on Seitas
and and I and I want to talk about this
because I want to give this justice, especially for Kiki's wife,
Kiki's widow, because I think it's important, and especially for
a lot of the DA guys and and and law enforcement,
(05:44):
you know, guys like yourself that have been victims, that
that have fought these guys that have been involved with
these guys. You know. So, while how do cartel gets
created right by by Fonka bye bye by Gotto Catogino? Right,
it gets disbandoned? Right?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Fon Sek and Guyadla go to prison, and and and
Stas uh and and Stas Felip Philix Guato. Right, how
come they're giving up Catroquintero and not Phelixayado or Fonzeco Phinis.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yadlo was already extra tied to the s and finished
his sentence and was deported back to Mexico. This, this
is that's a really good question. Why wasn't he then
put in custody in Mexico? Right? You would think all
these guys would have an active warrant in Mexico if
they had never done any time. Maybe the Mexican government
considers the time that they did in Mexico already has
(06:43):
time served.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Whatever.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Either way, Uh, Guyadlo's done. He's seventy nine years old.
He's still around believing these guys just because they're old
doesn't mean that they lost their contact.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Well, he was, he was. He was known as the godfather, right,
the boss of losses.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Right, This is the guy that wanted the criminal cartel
organizations to become one.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
And he and he made it right, he turned it
into one.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
He initially he did, and then of course the turf
boards just didn't allow it. Right now says no, we're
gonna have the Tiquana Corridor, Arizona Quattas and Amala Carrillo
said no, we're having quattish Apasso and then now all
the way down the line of.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Textas and that's going back to what you said yesterday,
is that you had heard that you know, maybe they
give each other up and they cut deals with the
US military, right, and they're not going to band together
and fight together. Right, They're not.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
They're not because they're not loyal to anybody, the loyal
to themselves. And so one of the things that negative
about it is like, why did they unity Why did
in Mexico wait so long to give them to the
United States. They could have extra died these guys a
long time ago, and they didn't. And I have to
tell you why. It's because just a couple of days ago,
you and I talked about this. The Mexican government has
(07:54):
been in diplomatic talks for the US a lot. As
a matter of fact, there was a Mexican delegations talks too,
by the way, you know, yeah, yeah, and they've been
negotiating to see what's gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Two things happen.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
One, Mexico releases all these guys, gives them to the
US like in a in a show of uh, look,
look look what we're doing in favor of the United States.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
But then another thing, if you notice, if you pay attention,
yesterday in the news, in the middle of all this,
President Trump said that the that the Terrors are scheduled
to go on next week.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
And uh.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
And and I'm gonna tell you why he said that.
Why I believe he said that this is not enough
Mexico doing this is too little, too late. Although as
great as it is, it's kind of bittersweet because well,
these guys were already in custody and maybe Kaka was
still functioning out on the prison whatever. Uh, there are
so many new cartel members. These guys are the ogs,
(08:49):
if you will, right, of the cartels. What about all
the active ones? What about all the Mayos and the Chapitos,
what about them? Those those are the ones that are
creating havoc right now.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
And that's what we're talking about. That's what we were
talking about last night, Right, That's what That's what you
were saying last night is Okay, this is great, but
what about the current people? What are we doing about
the current ones? Right? And And that I think is
going back to our conversation on Wednesday, is they're just
too compromise and they're not going to give them up,
so they're offering protection. They're giving up the old guys
(09:20):
to protect the new guys.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Right, it's kind of oh, look, look, look, how good
we look by cooperating with the US. I remember I
told you that there's been a lot of seizures in
Mexico and they have gotten illegal aliens and stopping them
and all I got it's I don't I don't think
President Trump is going to take it and say, oh
my god, Mexico's great, they did it.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
I think that I think this is not enough, and uh,
the terrorist might happen. But one let me say show
you a story that somebody sent me. I don't know
if they hit the news or not. But when it
came to Kika Marena, his son, and the Marenna Junior
has his dad's handcuffs and he gave him to the
(10:05):
UH one of the agents in New York when he landed,
and they too handcuffs on.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Brow.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
That is awesome, bro. Yeah, So so Rafa landed last
night in New York, so they put on his dad's.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
They put on his dad because they're gonna transfer him.
He's not gonna I'm not sure where he's going. They
told me there, but he's not. He's gonna go from
New York to somewhere else. And uh, what a what
a cool thing to do, and and so great for
that family. They've been fighting for that justice for a
long time. DA has done an incredible job in uh
(10:40):
memorializing in all these years. Even at the US EMBAC
in Mexico, conference rooms name named after him. As a
matter of fact, they named a conference room uh after Jimsabata. Uh.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
This this this past this month in February, because.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
So set Bro, they they got this mantled after our attack,
they kind of got well, how did they start?
Speaker 1 (11:06):
How did they start? Because they started as as as
enforcement for a waterfall, right, So.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
These guys were security, right, there were the enforcers for
the gold fall. Uh. They were well trained. They initially
started training in Guatemala.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
A lot of former military, right, they're all former military,
right and police.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Former military, some special forces. Yes, the United States did
train some of them here from in Mexico. Once these guys,
uh it was initially in Whatatemala, then obviously down in
golf and then they realized, hey, we're doing all the
all the dirty work for the cartel.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
We're going to do our own.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
And then they started taking over that whole area down
there and became a rival.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Because they had all the muscle, right, But that because
they had all the muscles, so they could take out
the others.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Right, Yeah, they had.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
They had the intel, they had the muscle, they had
the people on the street, and and then of course
the violence. I mean, these guys when I was in
Mexico in twenty ten, they killed seventy two illegals migrants
in Mexico because they had they had extorted them, they
(12:14):
had used them for as prons and everything that they
use them for. And then they realized, well that's it,
we can't get any more money. We don't really want them,
we don't need them. They lined them up against the
wall and executed seventy two of them. One of them survived,
I think a Nikodawan national a lot of more Central Americans.
And another town. There was a town I forget the
(12:36):
name of the town, Sam Fernando, I believe in Tamaulipas.
The official report is they killed like one hundred and
twenty people. The unofficial reporters they killed three hundred in
otherwise the entire town because there was word that there
was a snitch in there, and so this is how
they operate.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
They didn't go and look for the snitch.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
They said, I want to wipe out the whole town,
women and children and everybody. And that's what brought them
to the status that up into our shooting in twenty eleven,
they killed a US Settle agent. They didn't care. These
guys are not they don't fear anyone. And so here
we are with the Guarenta Quarents and.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
One hundred walk us through the difference through the number.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
So these are the the Tavino brothers, Uh are the
are the founders, are the original the Copples, if you will,
set us and these are the ones. They've been actually
captured for a long long time. And uh, they just
would not give them up to the US. They have
(13:41):
a lot of links to the US. They're heavily involved
in horse racing. They were heavily involved in boxing. Corrupt,
very corrupt, by the way. They were very heavy presents
in Dallas, Texas, Atlanta, Houston, East Texas, believe it or not,
and people like, what the hell are these guys doing
(14:03):
on a Sunday, the two horse races, you know, the
one against each other out there, big old trucks, and
all these ranchers are like, who the heck guard these people?
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Well, they're cartel man.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
They have a lot of money, and that's how they
like to entertain themselves. But so money laundering and and
all that is obviously here connected in the US, plus
vidence here in the US.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
And and so they've been wanting for a long time.
This is a great extradition.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I think Mexico was trying to kind of wash your
hands a little bit, like, oh, look at what we did.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
We gave them to you.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah, yeah, we'll take it, but you really haven't dent.
You haven't put a dent into it. What we want
to see is you help the United States take them out.
They haven't ordered their military. Now you see their military
out there shooting it out. Well, because you know, the
cartel are very well armed, and they send out a
limited number.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
They send everyone.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Right, if you would send everyone and wipe out Losettas
and see the end, and then go down to Matamotos
and take out Golf Cartel, then go to Hoattas and
take out Hottas Cartel La Lina and Sinalo all the
way up to that's how you would do it right,
region by region.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
And so others.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
No, No, it's just kind of fighting here and there
amongst each other sometimes for territory some time to see
which either military branch, National Guard or police is the
one that's gonna take over to get paid meant to
take over to wipe them out.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
That's right, it's it's it's the bride money. So for
people that don't know the Kiki come out in a story.
There's there's some good stuff out there. The last snark
that Hector Bras have really pushed on on Amazon Prime.
If you go and you go scour the internet, there's
(15:58):
a lot of information out there. There's a journalist who
wrote a book The Pedals that NBC came out with
Drug Wars A camera Inassurry. It's out there as well.
There's a lot of there's a lot of finger pointing
from special agents in the DA, including CIA, people that
(16:18):
say the CIA, the CIA gave up Geeky because of
the r uncontrast stuff, and he was, you know, he
was uncovering all that. We don't have to go there.
I'm just pointing it out for the audience so they
can go do their own research homework and figure out
what that all means. There's still so many things going
(16:39):
on right now, Like you're saying, one of the things
that I want to bring up, because we're on a
little set those right now, right and they're extremely violent,
you know. I think it's very clear and evident now
to everybody. I'd love for you to give some examples,
you know, like hanging corpses, beheadings, things like that from bridges.
(16:59):
You can go in into details like that if you want,
But also I want you to help the audience understand
that these people operate here in the US, you know.
And the reason I'm bringing this up is because Peter,
you know, Pete Hegseth, said that he does not rule
out military strategic strikes against the cartels in Mexico. And
(17:22):
I can't emphasize again because we talked about it on Wednesday.
I think that's a fucking bad move.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
And the reason he didn't say where, and that means
it could be here or in Mexico, along the border,
everywhere that these guys find themselves. But lositash, you when
you understand the level of violence that these guys brought.
First of all, they were highly sophisticated. I tell you
(17:51):
because a lot of details that they exposed during our
trial in twenty seventeen. Five of them went to trial,
file on and play guilty, and they testified. I was
even surprised. For example, they had to check out the
firearms that they used, they had to check out the vehicle,
(18:12):
and they had fleet cards for gas.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
I mean, this is like a corporation, right, It's like.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
A company, same thing, accountability, a what weapons you use,
how much ammal vests, whatever equipment that you needed.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
This is this is how they operated.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
So first of all, these are not just ay, a
couple of guys this get together in this form a gang.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
No no, no no, These guys have.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Working from within the prisons, the street gangs, and of
course in Mexico, the corruption with everybody, police, military, politicians,
and their their intimidating intimidation tactic was violence. They're the
ones that introduced horrific acts of violence that frankly you
hadn't seen before. You would see shootings amongst cartel. It
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was very isolated, right, It was that they were just
conducting their own business internally. But the sets not only
this is a part that people don't understand a lot
or hear a lot. They killed a lot of innocent people.
And a lot of times you say, well, I let
the cartels kill each other. Yeah, I think we all
agree with that. But when they do that, they kill
a lot of innocent people, innocent bystanders. As a matter
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of fact, they would grab and and capture and torture
and dismember an innocent person and calling them a rival
cartel member just to send a message to the rival
Cartaeil member and say this is one of your guys.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
And when you talk about this member, man, can you
go into some details or do you feel comfortable about No? No,
they I mean these guys because people, people, people here
in the US don't understand what that means. And that's
why I want you to be a little bit a
couple that I want you to be a little graphic.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
So people, so if you don't want to listen to
this part, don't listen to it. But it's graphic, and
it gets even worse. They will take knife of a
person that's alive, pull it down from their growing and
bring it up their chests all the way up and
cut them open. Kind of like an atopsy if you will,
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while they're alive.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Think about this.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
They will take a chainsaw and you know they make
these persons by the way they film this that why
are we Why are we telling you this because I've
seen the videos. Okay, they love the propaganda. They're they're
the ones that want to control the information with the propaganda.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
They don't like when the media gets involved, because the
media will expose them. And that's why Mexico has the
most journalists killed in any other country. They don't like
the journalists go out there and exposing the truth, but
they love doing their own videos. So they will film
themselves all armed giving out messages, uh and then and
then executing people either with a with a chainsaw, cutting
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off their arms, chopping off their legs, chopping off their
head while they're alive.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah, I heard, I heard that. Well not that I heard.
I know that. Part of this process, and they did
that with with with Kiki as well, is they pop
them up with adrenaline. They keep them alive while they're fucking.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Like they wouldn't believe.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
So the people that they capture, they want to get information.
The torture methods that you can believe they believe beyond
the water boarding, uh, electric shocks, many many different types
of deprivation, highly skilled military type like bright lights, loud
music constantly twenty four to seven in an isolated room.
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Things like that that will, uh, you know, the ployer
in water and electric cute you enough to where you
not die. They'll sometimes have doctors, like alleged in Kiki's case. Well,
they're actually monitoring you so you won't die, so you
will withstand more the pain and the torture.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
That's what these guys are. They'll rip your heart out.
I've seen the video of them.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Yeah, tell us about that, because I thought that's that's
where you're going when you were saying they cut you open,
so please.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
There's there's a different one where they literally just go
into the person's chest. They ripped the heart out and
the heart is still beating and it's showing it to you.
There's another one not so long ago. They've been going
on from up till probably yesterday. There was one about
several maybe late last year. I think he was a
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candidate because they killed thirty seven candidates. By the way,
the Cartela has in Mexico imagine if we had that
in the US. Mayors and governors running for office and
then be executed. Well, that's what happens in Mexico, and
they did. One of the mayor had actually just gained
office like three days later. Then he went missing for
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three days and they found him.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
They took his head.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
They cut him off, cut his head off and put
it on the top of the top of the truck
and displayed it. They've they've I've seen videos where them
playing soccer with a human head. Gosh, it's it's They're horrible. Uh,
They've skinned people alive, they will burn them alive. Those
are horrific videos to watch. I don't want to watch
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them anymore. I get them, they send them to me anyway.
And when I see the beginning of the video, I said,
this is like a torture video. I don't want to
see them. This is beyond gruesome evil. I don't know
what other words to use, but I want you to
think about the mentality.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Right these guys.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
A lot of people tell me all these guys must
have been, must have must be drugged up.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
No, maybe they are, maybe they're not.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
They're just psychopaths, psychotic psychopaths.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
They have absolutely no compassion none. They don't have no conscience,
uh for human life or anything. And and so they
don't feel anything like you and I for uh for
life or a person for human They don't feel that.
And so when you're up against that, that's the part
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that you need to understand that you cannot take them
for granted because they're not afraid now. They used to
be very precautious about US federal agents in Mexico and Colombia,
and they always wanted to avoid that. I think those
days are gone. They're not afraid of anyone. They're not
afraid of the Mexican government, they're not afraid of the
US government anymore. And so when they that fear goes away,
(24:29):
then it's a free for all. They'll do whatever it
is that they need to do to advance their agenda
because that's where they live, that's what they do.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Another thing they talk about is culturally in.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Mexico, we have there's a problem that the kid is
born in Kulasila, Sinaloa, and his dad is a cartel member,
his brother is a cartel member, his uncle is a
cartel member, his cousin is a cartel member, and.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
We'll get what do you think that little boy is
going to be a cartel member?
Speaker 2 (24:56):
And by the age of twelve he knows how to
handle handguns and AKA forty sevens, And so when he
comes to the United States, is an unaccompanied minor at
the age of fourteen? Oh the US, here's unaccompanied minor. Oh,
it's a child innocent. No, he's a killer. A he's
a cicadio. That means he gets paid one hundred bucks
a week to go capture somebody, murder and do these
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despicable things to him. A fourteen year old, Yes you
heard it, fourteen fifteen, sixteen seventeen, considered miners in the US.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Wake up, people, wake up. Listen to what special age.
And Avulo Jo said, wake the fuck up that guy,
that kid.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Do you think it's gonna be placed at the middle
school or a high school over your town? Is gonna
assimilate overnight? And say, I'm an American boy and I'm
gonna know.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
I'm living the American dream.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
No, that's not that's the no, it's way way. They
have a different ideology. That's why they're terrorists. So the
ideology of ices and the Italiban.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Is a different one.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Maybe it's a religious one, maybe it's a Westerner culture one.
The cartels is power and power and money. That's what
they want, and they have a there's a lot of
glorification of this in the in the Mexican culture, with novelas, televelas,
the soap operas, the music. There was just a report
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yesterday or day before yesterday of a group, I forget
the name of the group, some Northanio type group. They
put a display they call mantas right where the cartel
uses these cloth type for messages and they'll hang them
at the top of.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
A bridge to announce what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
They put it on there and says to this group,
don't you dare play in Masatlan. If you play in Masatelan,
we're gonna kill you all of your group members, even
the guy that installs the lights for the for the stage,
all the way to the guys. So in other words,
don't even try it. Who the hell cares? The cartel cares.
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They control the narrative, they control the what goes out there.
And when you have these groups, they've killed so many
of them that what they call corridos, which are basically
story telling in a song, and guess what they're passing
messages with the songs from one cartel to the other.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
I tell you.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
They're hidden messages. Sometimes they're just blade messages. But you
would think imagined as somebody here, an organized group would
tell Beyonce, don't you dare come and play in Houston
or or or Taylor Swift, don't you come and play
in this stadium or else, We're gonna kill you and
your whole staff. Yeah, it makes no sense, right, Well,
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that's that's that's what happened. That makes sense in Mexico.
And guess what, He's not gonna play there. Because they
know that they the cartel doesn't bluff they they they
follow through. They're not the parent that says I'm gonna
spank you if you continue to play a bit of games. No,
they're gonna destroy the video game and the child.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
That's what they do.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
They follow through. And because people know that they follow through,
they are they're terrorizing the people, not just not just physically,
by the way psychologically by extorting their businesses. Every single
day the guy shows up to get a quota fifteenth
every fifteenth of the month, every first of the month,
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you gotta pay me a certain amount.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Why why what do I have to pay you.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
I'm barely surviving here with my little you know, restaurant,
whatever I have.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
They don't care.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
You're gonna pay a certain amount because you are in
our territory. That's the way they see it. We own this,
we own this land, this area. We come into a
town in takeover, and when we take over, that means
we take over. We are the authority. Remember, even the
four Americans, African American Americans that went from South Carolina
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to Matamotos to them were killed. They were put in
the back of a truck, pickup truck, and it was
a person that filmed it right, and oh it went
horribly wrong because that video, that video message was not
their video, and then exposed them for what they are.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Now.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
It was this big heavy lady as supposed it was
a go get plastic surgeon. No she wasn't.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
These guys were in Mexico buying drugs, fent and all
of whatever to bring it back to the States, to
the Carolinas. But I think something went wrong. We don't
know when we're wrong. But they either obviously underestimated the
cartel killed two of them.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
You know, because a lot of people say, oh, we'll
just go down there and talk to a couple of
Mexicans and buy a couple of keys, and we'll be fine,
you know, And they have no idea they're going to
get ripped off and then butchered and slaughtered and dismembered.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
And and thanks for the cash. By the way.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
By the way, the reason I bring up that case
is because never did you see the police. First of all,
when the exposure came out of the golf cartel doing that.
Who put out the message? Who caught the bad guys
the golf cartel themselves. They cut their own, put them
up there and arrested them all tied up, and said,
here are the guys responsible. By the way, they put
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a big message. I remember I translated it for some
media outlets. Uh. They lifted in the windshield of a
vehicle and said, by the way, this is not us,
this is not the golf cartel that you know, because
we are here to protect the people from the bad guys.
That's what they love saying all the time. And then
they said, uh, uh, these people didn't have the authority
to do what they did. And that's why anyway, they
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possially are basically apologizing to.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
The pr campaign. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Thinking, where was the police? The cartel killed them, the
cartel caught him and turned them in. They were they
were the law enforcement, they were everything. They were the court.
Never did you see the police.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Why?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Because they owned the territory, they control it.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Yeah, that's amazing. I'm glad you brought that up. But
I want to talk about two things. Won that you're
going into this whole messaging ideology stuff that takes us
back to Meelan here Phillies a Yatlo right in the
creation of l Dajada. But then I want to go
right back to lostas how many do you think are
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operating here in the US, and and how dangerous that is?
And why I keep on going back to this how
many are here and how dangerous the threat is here
because the American people aren't just not used to it.
I know a lot of people in the South, they'll
be like, oh fuck that, a bunch of Mexicans will
fucking shoot them up. It doesn't work that way. You know,
a couple of fat guys with shotguns and a lot
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of beer is no match, is not gonna happen. I
don't care how good of a shot you are, you
will be fucking slit open like a fish and fucking beheaded.
So you know, don't even fucking try and play tough
because they're gonna lose. But right, Fonseka, the rest of
the guys, they created a lot dahada right if you
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If you remember, Phileysaeto said, what was the reasoning? He's like,
you know, the US has been taking our minerals or
petrol or this, or money or cash or women or
all this stuff. You know, our territories are for for
a hundred years. You know, it's only right that we
take their cash and send them drugs and destroy their
(32:21):
fucking brains and their fucking people and blah blah blah.
How real is that because you taught you mentioned about
that kidnapping and how turned them in and did all
that and said we're here to protect. Is that just bullshit?
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Well?
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I think I think they believe it. Okay, I think
I don't think it's bullshit. I think they believe it,
and uh and they're very Uh. Their allegiance is to Mexico,
not necessarily like the an American patriot with American flag.
I love my country. I love the flag, and I'm
a have allegiance United States. They have a type of allegiance,
(32:59):
but it's different than.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Like robin hood, like a robin Hood thing, like, well,
that's how they work, right, that they are there to
protect thee So.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Many videos of the guys all suited up, and the
first thing they say is like, we are not extortionary,
we're not rapist, we're not here to We're here to protect.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Excuse me, you're the ones that's doing everything.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
You just said you didn't do, and so yeah, they
so of course they lie about that, but I think
you're onto something here as far as the bigger picture
is they have this type of allegiance and maybe they're upset,
but greed does a lot of things to you a
lot of times. You know, in my law enforcement career,
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a lot of people that we caught people say criminals
are stupid. It's not that they're stupid, it's that they're clouded.
And one of the they're clouded by many many things.
One of the things that they're clouded by is greed.
They're not thinking clearly. They they they're they're so concerned
with the money, they're so concerned about what's going on
with the money, how they're gonna spend the money, how
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they got the money, how they're gonna distribute. They're so
concerned with more and more and more in this avarice.
Greed that they have sometimes clouds their judgment and they
empower that decision and power. All the power is another one.
So you got the greed combined with the power. All
of a sudden, these people are not thinking straight.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Uh, they're paranoid.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Another thing is they're paranoid about law enforcement and all
this stuff, and so they're cloud and that's why they
make bad judgments, which is favors the police. And I
think the feelings gotya those people, I think ultimately is
very They're selfish. That's what these guys are. They're very selfish,
only to help themselves. And you know, they started with
(34:47):
pot and then what if they think that pot wasn't enough,
so let's move into cocaine and why because they wanted
to make more money. And remember when that started, it
was Columbia that really controlled all that. Look at where
we're at now, where it's shifted one eighty and it's
the Mexican cartels that control. Uh, the movement Columbia still
(35:08):
involved there making here and there and the heroin and stuff.
But it's still uh, it's still the way that they
work for the Mexican cartels than the way it used
to be before.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Now there now they now now they're manufacturers, their manufacturers.
That's it. That's all.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
They are flyers and uh and the Mexican cartels take
care of everything else. But the the the presence of
the cartels in the US is something that is going
to have to be looked at a lot more now.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Because so let's do that.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Let's do that, walk us through the presence of the
cartels in general, and then if you can pinpoint, they'll
set us.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
So we'll set us. You asked me how many other
We don't know. We don't know because there's there's different
types of card. Let's set that cartel members. Right, you
got the businessman, you got the lawyer, you got uh financers,
you have banged you have real estate people, you have
(36:03):
mortgage people, you have those type of people.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
There's set the cartel members.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
They're absolutely they're controlled and they're paid and they're on
the payroll. They might even have a job, they might
have a nine to five job. It doesn't mean that
they're non cartel members. Some people think that some of
these people guess all they do. No, you might just
help them out once in a while when they need
something and they pay you.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
That makes you a car a set the cartel member.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
So and then of course you have the actual must well,
the one that's actually working with the local gangs in
Texas and Georgia and Denver and all that.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
To distribute their product.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
They're there to oversee that the product is distributed, just
like any supervisor would write. In any corporation at Amazon
like we talked about, or any business manufacturing business.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
You're going to make sure that everything.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
That the line is is accounted for, that nothing is missing,
that the quality or whatever they want.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
So that's that's your supply chain manager, right, that's right,
that's right, And that the vehicles that are driving the
dough get through there, and and who you're going to
hire first, and who you're going to hire next, and
make sure it's not an undercover agent.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
All these things. You got that person, right, the coordinator
if you will.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
And then of course you have the enforcement guys, the
guys that are there that these are just killers cicadio's.
By the way, they actually have promotions within their organization.
They start off as lookouts. That's the other one, that's
the lowest of the toll. You have a lookout. This
is a fourteen year old kid. Who's a lookout? Who
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is this fourteen fifteen year old kid. Well, he's a
middle school high school student and he works will set us?
Why because his brother works will set us. Maybe the
brother's an enforcer and he starts off as a lookout
and all he has to do, all he has to
do is let him know when there was any kind
of activity that just doesn't seem right, whether it's at
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the school, whether it's at the mall, wherever the little
kid hangs around. Who cell phone, there's the there's police here,
there's that's where they have people everywhere. That's why they know,
especially in Mexico but also in the US. So then
that kid gets what guess what he strives to be.
He strives to be promoted to a cicadio because now
they're gonna pay him a couple of hundred dollars a week,
(38:25):
and now they're gonna tell them.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
All they're gonna do is order them to kidnap.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
People, uh, to rape people, uh, to extort people, and
eventually to kill people.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
That's his job.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
That's his job when he graduated from it, even graduated
from high school, and that's his job. And they're like,
well you did. You're such a good cigario that you're
you're gonna be ahead of the astaca. That's what they
call him. An astaca is ahead of a group, like
I was. I was, and I became I got promoted
to a GS, A group supervisor. Now I oversee ten agents. Well,
(38:59):
now you got the guy from the stack got overseeing
ten cartel members like the ones that attacked us. By
the way, I don't know if I shared this with
you last time. They were not dressed in all black
and military attire, painted with coverfe nothing. These guys were jeans,
T shirts, very fit, short, very well groomed.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Military military stuff, very disciplined.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
They knew how to handle those weapons, and so a
lot of people sometimes think that they're very you know,
because they have their elites. So just like the police,
you know, I as an agent would do rest warrant,
search warrants, you know, suit up and all that. But
then then we had a high risk warrant. Well, we
would call our SRT, what we call the the Special
(39:46):
Response Team or you heard them as a swat the
heavy duty guys, right, and they would.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Do it for us.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Well, the cartel has those guys too, and those are
probably the videos that you see. I show some a
lot of those as well, and these are like heavy
duty military. And then when you see the pictures, when
I see the equipment and the weapons that they're wearing
that they're showing like, this is the state of the art.
And you know what I think about, Elina. Every time
I see that.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
I think money.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
All I see is money because all I know how
much that costs. It's very expensive. And that's just one guy.
Then you talk about the armored vehicles. Then you talk
about the fleet vehicles, the pickup trucks, the cars.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Think about it. Now, look at how where he started.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Now this is the.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Corporation, So how many people.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Well you start adding people at every division of their organization,
and then you have the Saint Louis division, you have
the Chicago division, you have the Atlanta division, Houston, Dallas,
the same thing, and so all of a sudden you're like, well,
then they're everywhere.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
You know another one that they extra died in before
I forget oh, El Gato is the one that ordered
the murder of a rival. He was pissed off because
they had He was an attorney gang member, Carktowle member.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Uh they.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
I forgot that the guy's name. He was killed in
Mexico when I was there. They executed him. Executed him
in South Lake, Texas, a really nice, uh town of
about thirty thousand people, in the middle of the town.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
Square in front of Victoria's Secret He was with his wife.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
They had been following him for over a year and
they finally got tired of following him and that they
had the chance. And right there two hitman came up
and shot him and killed him on a Saturday afternoon,
right there in front of everybody. They didn't care that guy.
The order to hit from Mexico was extradited as well yesterday.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
That's amazing. That's crazy, bro. So if you were to
measure the threat level here, what would you what would
you would you rank it as?
Speaker 2 (42:00):
If the State Department does this, they have up to
level four. No, one's a level zero. It starts one, two, three, four,
when I was going through they call it SOS training
through the State Department. Everybody's gonna go overseas has to
go through this training. As a matter of fact, if
you're gonna take your spouse, where you can take your family,
they have to at one point come in to get
(42:20):
trained themselves because of all the crap they're going to
see and possibly here. So one thing that they'll tell
you really quick that they say right away when you
show up. First of all, they tell you as soon
as you get to whatever country you're going to, you're
not gonna be better looking. You're still fucking ugly, and
you're not gonna be up because all of a sudden
you're gonna be approached by.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
A lot of women. Why espionage, right, they're trying.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
To get intel anyway, I just had to throw that
in there. But that SOS training. What they do is
they're they're preparing you so when you go to Mexico, whatever,
But they do it according to the level.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Right, Afghanistan, Iraq back then Iraq.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Level four level four, Level four, Singapore level one, Canada
level one, Mexico level four, critical level four. You know what,
you know what happened that when I was going to training.
Half of the room that was there is a big room,
a bunch of young guys. They were all going to
bag that back then, and and I'm like, oh shit,
(43:22):
a you guys going to backdand to Iraq.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
And they're like, where you're going? I said, I'm going
to Mexico.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Oh ship.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
That was the reaction.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Oh, they were more concerned about me. Maybe they knew
something right.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
They were rightly so, because Mexico is a level critical
level four. So now going back to your question, what
level is that, I don't think we're a level critical four,
uh as far as their presence here, but we're definitely
a two or three for sure, maybe a three of
their presence because and I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
I agree with you, by the way on that.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
I agree with you that, yeah, they're good at hiding
and incorporating themselves. They tell you again, they look like
you and me, you're not. Oh here it comes.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
And that's the cartel member. Now some some are boisterous
and some you'll see that. And as a matter of fact,
the ones that are boisters are a lot of wannabes
and and those are not the real ones. And so uh,
that's what makes it even more difficult to track them down.
And a lot of crimes.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
This is one thing that the.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Local pds and investigators know when they come across a crime,
they're like, uh, this guy, this has cartel written all
over it.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
But it's not reported that way.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
As a matter of fact, there's sometimes not a lot
of times not sometimes a lot of times not reported
officially on the reports. Why because it brings a lot
of ramifications. Financially, no town wants to be known for
having cartel members in the town. They just considered it, Oh,
it was just another murder from a crazy nuh and
uh and.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
And also the truth is a lot of these guys
are scared and they don't want to use the word
cartel or even put it on the radar because they
don't want to be the guy that somehow somebody comes
after for retaliation. That's why you see it in the media.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
To remember the movie, which is a big soakra a
big impact for me.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
End of watch.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
This one came out I think in two thousand and
eleven or around uh.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
The two l A.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
P d Cops they kind of start getting slooping around
and then they tell them, hey, this is cartel you
you're dealing with, and they didn't give a shit. They
end up being executed. Horrible movie. When I watched that,
it really triggered me. But that you're right, a lot
of the locals these are these are local PD cops
on the beat man. They they're there every single day.
(45:32):
They know them, they know the bad guys. The bad
guys know the cop by name. And then sometimes they
build these report relationships of I know what you do,
and I know what you do and and I'm telling
you it's it's a dangerous world, and they understand it.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
Yep, I know you got to go. Man, I appreciate it.
You're you're the freaking you're the man. You know it's uh,
it's crazy, and and and on that and on that note,
it is despicable what the Left is doing by doxing
ice agents, absolutely horrendous.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
I think you're talking about dangerous, You're talking about dangerous.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
What do you what are you trying to do? Kill us?
Speaker 2 (46:06):
You're trying to kill one because that's what Who do
you think is gonna get the information? The bad guys
are gonna get the information. Yeah, And and that's what
I'm saying is that on a daily basis. Anyway, they
should be prosecuted.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
They should be at least spend some time in jail,
because that is extremely, extremely dangerous. Victor, you're the man,
You're the boss. Thank you so much for coming back
so fast. And uh and and and and I know
I'm gonna see you again very soon because, like you
said on Wednesday, everything changes every single day.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
By the way, then too, yeah we were we were
just talking, but like I said, hey, it's changing by.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
The day of the hour. Book here we are.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
Yeah, awesome, brother, I appreciate it. Man, have a great weekend.
I know you're doing a hit. Kick ass.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
We'll be in touch by all right, thanks pal.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
All right, guys, hopefully it was everything we hyped it
up to be.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
And uh, and a lot more.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
We're gonna have Victor coming on more often and really
honing in on this stuff. This is not going away. Obviously.
You're seeing a lot of activity happening now. Uh. You know,
Mexico is trying to play a little nicer, but like
Victor said, it's all bullshit because at the end, you know,
(47:13):
we've been requesting these people for decades. You know, in
some cases, you know, a decade. But what about the
current guys, What about the current cartels, What about the
current people that are operating over there and their organizations
over here. What is Mexico doing to help the US
the Trump administration ice Tom Home and to curve that
(47:37):
to capture them. Are they collaborating, are they given providing
intel or are they just fucking sending smoke signals and bullshit?
I guess time is gonna tell. Time will tell because
it always does, and we're gonna be following up. We're
gonna be following these stories. We're gonna be you know,
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lot of great intel, a lot of good sources out there,
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Take care,
Welcome to dotgh gon Rogue. I suspect many of you
are here because of the video I posted last night
and because of the news that broke yesterday that the
Mexican government has handed over custody of many cartel members
and many of them are already here in the US.
We have Supervisory Special Agent former ICE Victor Aguila back
(00:49):
again to discuss this. I brought up the fact of
cainto He's gonna mention some people that are very dear
and close to him that he's happy are are are
are in US custody. Victor. Let's not waste time, man,
Let's go absolutely.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Brother, Thanks for getting me back on to discuss this.
This is a if you notice, it was kind of
a it kind of hit the news. It just kind
of hit it yesterday and I started getting a bunch
of phone calls from a bunch of people and my sources.
And when they were calling me, some of them are
already en route. Some of these criminals, Cattail members were
already in route. And here's the thing about here's the
(01:29):
I'm gonna tell you the positives and negatives and how
and the political ramifications that's going on here.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
This is great, This is great news.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
These are people that the United States has been asking
Mexico for extradition for a long time decade, not yesterday.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I'm talking about some people ten or more years.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I've been asking for their extradition to be held accountable
and brought to justice in the US. Why because not
only do we have active warrants for them, because the
activities that conductive from Mexico into the US drug trafficking, uh,
human trafficking, money laundering, extortion, you name it.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
A bunch of.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Charges uh affect us in different districts right New York, Chicago, Dallas,
and a bunch of places. So, man, this list gets
released yesterday. And who's on there, Well, the one that
caught my eye immediately obviously we'll talk about because I
have something to share with you there. But also the
SETAs man, the set Ta Guarenta helm right here, the
(02:29):
set Ta Guarenta, the Trevino brothers basically in set which
are the founding fathers, if you will, of those zetas
who are now have fanctioned faction off to CDN cartelin
Oreste which their territory is running the other side of Laredo, Texas.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
And no larelo Mexico and man just.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I think last week, as soon as last week that
Mexico had denied the extradition. So all of a sudden,
they're put it on an airplane and and they're here, brother,
and that's good.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Some of these guys.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Are older, but a lot of them because of the
heinous crimes that they committed, not only just in Mexico
but again in the US. They they deserve to be
brought over. Let me tell you other people there. One
of them that I don't know why he's not getting
that much attention.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Do you know who this guy is?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
I know you know who it is. Let me tell
you what this guy is. This guy is a Malo carrio.
This is brother from the Hottest cartel when I used
to work in that territory, and the Hottest cartel was
the most powerful cartel in the world. A Malo car
as you guys know, is the one that uh supposedly
died during a facial reconstruction surgery and his brother took over.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
These guys, these were the first ones that you heard
of that were making money in the billions.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
There was reports that.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I mean they were there were they were bad ass right, they.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Were bad ass man and uh and when the set
dust came men, And if you watch the last series
of Narcos Mexico, it's kind of where where it stops,
where they hand over to Amalocariofuentes. They call him Senolo
Cielo's of the Sky, that the Lord of the Skies,
because he's the one that started using the airplanes to
bring in the cocaine and everything else into the US.
(04:17):
But those settas are the ones that introduced the violence,
and we talked a little bit about that last time.
These guys are the ones that started chopping off heads
and doing all this crazy stuff and then forced the
Juadist cartel to become more violent than what they were,
enforced the Sinaloa cartel, the golf cartels and every others
to start doing the same thing that they're doing because
you have to keep up. But it was those zettas
(04:39):
really that introduced the barbaric type of nature that we
know of what these cartels have been engaged in, bombs,
I eds, you name it. And of course, man, you know,
I was so happy for the.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
As the.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Marina's family and kick him out in an x D.
A agent that was captured, tortured, and murdered in Mexico
in nineteen eighty five. Man, We've been wanting him for
a long time. DA has been wanting him for a
long time in Mexico, you know, politically, Uh, and a
lot of different reasons have been messing around and with
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the United States when it came to a h So let.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Me ask you, let me let me pause your right
right here, because I want to. I want to. I
want to spend a good amount of time on Seitas
and and I and I want to talk about this
because I want to give this justice, especially for Kiki's wife,
Kiki's widow, because I think it's important, and especially for
a lot of the DA guys and and and law enforcement,
(05:44):
you know, guys like yourself that have been victims, that
that have fought these guys that have been involved with
these guys. You know. So, while how do cartel gets
created right by by Fonka bye bye by Gotto Catogino? Right,
it gets disbandoned? Right?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Fon Sek and Guyadla go to prison, and and and
Stas uh and and Stas Felip Philix Guato. Right, how
come they're giving up Catroquintero and not Phelixayado or Fonzeco Phinis.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yadlo was already extra tied to the s and finished
his sentence and was deported back to Mexico. This, this
is that's a really good question. Why wasn't he then
put in custody in Mexico? Right? You would think all
these guys would have an active warrant in Mexico if
they had never done any time. Maybe the Mexican government
considers the time that they did in Mexico already has
(06:43):
time served.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Whatever.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Either way, Uh, Guyadlo's done. He's seventy nine years old.
He's still around believing these guys just because they're old
doesn't mean that they lost their contact.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Well, he was, he was. He was known as the godfather, right,
the boss of losses.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Right, This is the guy that wanted the criminal cartel
organizations to become one.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
And he and he made it right, he turned it
into one.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
He initially he did, and then of course the turf
boards just didn't allow it. Right now says no, we're
gonna have the Tiquana Corridor, Arizona Quattas and Amala Carrillo
said no, we're having quattish Apasso and then now all
the way down the line of.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Textas and that's going back to what you said yesterday,
is that you had heard that you know, maybe they
give each other up and they cut deals with the
US military, right, and they're not going to band together
and fight together. Right, They're not.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
They're not because they're not loyal to anybody, the loyal
to themselves. And so one of the things that negative
about it is like, why did they unity Why did
in Mexico wait so long to give them to the
United States. They could have extra died these guys a
long time ago, and they didn't. And I have to
tell you why. It's because just a couple of days ago,
you and I talked about this. The Mexican government has
(07:54):
been in diplomatic talks for the US a lot. As
a matter of fact, there was a Mexican delegations talks too,
by the way, you know, yeah, yeah, and they've been
negotiating to see what's gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Two things happen.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
One, Mexico releases all these guys, gives them to the
US like in a in a show of uh, look,
look look what we're doing in favor of the United States.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
But then another thing, if you notice, if you pay attention,
yesterday in the news, in the middle of all this,
President Trump said that the that the Terrors are scheduled
to go on next week.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
And uh.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
And and I'm gonna tell you why he said that.
Why I believe he said that this is not enough
Mexico doing this is too little, too late. Although as
great as it is, it's kind of bittersweet because well,
these guys were already in custody and maybe Kaka was
still functioning out on the prison whatever. Uh, there are
so many new cartel members. These guys are the ogs,
(08:49):
if you will, right, of the cartels. What about all
the active ones? What about all the Mayos and the Chapitos,
what about them? Those those are the ones that are
creating havoc right now.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
And that's what we're talking about. That's what we were
talking about last night, Right, That's what That's what you
were saying last night is Okay, this is great, but
what about the current people? What are we doing about
the current ones? Right? And And that I think is
going back to our conversation on Wednesday, is they're just
too compromise and they're not going to give them up,
so they're offering protection. They're giving up the old guys
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to protect the new guys.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Right, it's kind of oh, look, look, look, how good
we look by cooperating with the US. I remember I
told you that there's been a lot of seizures in
Mexico and they have gotten illegal aliens and stopping them
and all I got it's I don't I don't think
President Trump is going to take it and say, oh
my god, Mexico's great, they did it.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
I think that I think this is not enough, and uh,
the terrorist might happen. But one let me say show
you a story that somebody sent me. I don't know
if they hit the news or not. But when it
came to Kika Marena, his son, and the Marenna Junior
has his dad's handcuffs and he gave him to the
(10:05):
UH one of the agents in New York when he landed,
and they too handcuffs on.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Brow.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
That is awesome, bro. Yeah, So so Rafa landed last
night in New York, so they put on his dad's.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
They put on his dad because they're gonna transfer him.
He's not gonna I'm not sure where he's going. They
told me there, but he's not. He's gonna go from
New York to somewhere else. And uh, what a what
a cool thing to do, and and so great for
that family. They've been fighting for that justice for a
long time. DA has done an incredible job in uh
(10:40):
memorializing in all these years. Even at the US EMBAC
in Mexico, conference rooms name named after him. As a
matter of fact, they named a conference room uh after Jimsabata. Uh.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
This this this past this month in February, because.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
So set Bro, they they got this mantled after our attack,
they kind of got well, how did they start?
Speaker 1 (11:06):
How did they start? Because they started as as as
enforcement for a waterfall, right, So.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
These guys were security, right, there were the enforcers for
the gold fall. Uh. They were well trained. They initially
started training in Guatemala.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
A lot of former military, right, they're all former military,
right and police.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Former military, some special forces. Yes, the United States did
train some of them here from in Mexico. Once these guys,
uh it was initially in Whatatemala, then obviously down in
golf and then they realized, hey, we're doing all the
all the dirty work for the cartel.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
We're going to do our own.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
And then they started taking over that whole area down
there and became a rival.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Because they had all the muscle, right, But that because
they had all the muscles, so they could take out
the others.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Right, Yeah, they had.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
They had the intel, they had the muscle, they had
the people on the street, and and then of course
the violence. I mean, these guys when I was in
Mexico in twenty ten, they killed seventy two illegals migrants
in Mexico because they had they had extorted them, they
(12:14):
had used them for as prons and everything that they
use them for. And then they realized, well that's it,
we can't get any more money. We don't really want them,
we don't need them. They lined them up against the
wall and executed seventy two of them. One of them survived,
I think a Nikodawan national a lot of more Central Americans.
And another town. There was a town I forget the
(12:36):
name of the town, Sam Fernando, I believe in Tamaulipas.
The official report is they killed like one hundred and
twenty people. The unofficial reporters they killed three hundred in
otherwise the entire town because there was word that there
was a snitch in there, and so this is how
they operate.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
They didn't go and look for the snitch.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
They said, I want to wipe out the whole town,
women and children and everybody. And that's what brought them
to the status that up into our shooting in twenty eleven,
they killed a US Settle agent. They didn't care. These
guys are not they don't fear anyone. And so here
we are with the Guarenta Quarents and.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
One hundred walk us through the difference through the number.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
So these are the the Tavino brothers, Uh are the
are the founders, are the original the Copples, if you will,
set us and these are the ones. They've been actually
captured for a long long time. And uh, they just
would not give them up to the US. They have
(13:41):
a lot of links to the US. They're heavily involved
in horse racing. They were heavily involved in boxing. Corrupt,
very corrupt, by the way. They were very heavy presents
in Dallas, Texas, Atlanta, Houston, East Texas, believe it or not,
and people like, what the hell are these guys doing
(14:03):
on a Sunday, the two horse races, you know, the
one against each other out there, big old trucks, and
all these ranchers are like, who the heck guard these people?
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Well, they're cartel man.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
They have a lot of money, and that's how they
like to entertain themselves. But so money laundering and and
all that is obviously here connected in the US, plus
vidence here in the US.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
And and so they've been wanting for a long time.
This is a great extradition.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I think Mexico was trying to kind of wash your
hands a little bit, like, oh, look at what we did.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
We gave them to you.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah, yeah, we'll take it, but you really haven't dent.
You haven't put a dent into it. What we want
to see is you help the United States take them out.
They haven't ordered their military. Now you see their military
out there shooting it out. Well, because you know, the
cartel are very well armed, and they send out a
limited number.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
They send everyone.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Right, if you would send everyone and wipe out Losettas
and see the end, and then go down to Matamotos
and take out Golf Cartel, then go to Hoattas and
take out Hottas Cartel La Lina and Sinalo all the
way up to that's how you would do it right,
region by region.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
And so others.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
No, No, it's just kind of fighting here and there
amongst each other sometimes for territory some time to see
which either military branch, National Guard or police is the
one that's gonna take over to get paid meant to
take over to wipe them out.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
That's right, it's it's it's the bride money. So for
people that don't know the Kiki come out in a story.
There's there's some good stuff out there. The last snark
that Hector Bras have really pushed on on Amazon Prime.
If you go and you go scour the internet, there's
(15:58):
a lot of information out there. There's a journalist who
wrote a book The Pedals that NBC came out with
Drug Wars A camera Inassurry. It's out there as well.
There's a lot of there's a lot of finger pointing
from special agents in the DA, including CIA, people that
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say the CIA, the CIA gave up Geeky because of
the r uncontrast stuff, and he was, you know, he
was uncovering all that. We don't have to go there.
I'm just pointing it out for the audience so they
can go do their own research homework and figure out
what that all means. There's still so many things going
(16:39):
on right now, Like you're saying, one of the things
that I want to bring up, because we're on a
little set those right now, right and they're extremely violent,
you know. I think it's very clear and evident now
to everybody. I'd love for you to give some examples,
you know, like hanging corpses, beheadings, things like that from bridges.
(16:59):
You can go in into details like that if you want,
But also I want you to help the audience understand
that these people operate here in the US, you know.
And the reason I'm bringing this up is because Peter,
you know, Pete Hegseth, said that he does not rule
out military strategic strikes against the cartels in Mexico. And
(17:22):
I can't emphasize again because we talked about it on Wednesday.
I think that's a fucking bad move.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
And the reason he didn't say where, and that means
it could be here or in Mexico, along the border,
everywhere that these guys find themselves. But lositash, you when
you understand the level of violence that these guys brought.
First of all, they were highly sophisticated. I tell you
(17:51):
because a lot of details that they exposed during our
trial in twenty seventeen. Five of them went to trial,
file on and play guilty, and they testified. I was
even surprised. For example, they had to check out the
firearms that they used, they had to check out the vehicle,
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and they had fleet cards for gas.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
I mean, this is like a corporation, right, It's like.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
A company, same thing, accountability, a what weapons you use,
how much ammal vests, whatever equipment that you needed.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
This is this is how they operated.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
So first of all, these are not just ay, a
couple of guys this get together in this form a gang.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
No no, no no, These guys have.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Working from within the prisons, the street gangs, and of
course in Mexico, the corruption with everybody, police, military, politicians,
and their their intimidating intimidation tactic was violence. They're the
ones that introduced horrific acts of violence that frankly you
hadn't seen before. You would see shootings amongst cartel. It
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was very isolated, right, It was that they were just
conducting their own business internally. But the sets not only
this is a part that people don't understand a lot
or hear a lot. They killed a lot of innocent people.
And a lot of times you say, well, I let
the cartels kill each other. Yeah, I think we all
agree with that. But when they do that, they kill
a lot of innocent people, innocent bystanders. As a matter
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of fact, they would grab and and capture and torture
and dismember an innocent person and calling them a rival
cartel member just to send a message to the rival
Cartaeil member and say this is one of your guys.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
And when you talk about this member, man, can you
go into some details or do you feel comfortable about No? No,
they I mean these guys because people, people, people here
in the US don't understand what that means. And that's
why I want you to be a little bit a
couple that I want you to be a little graphic.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
So people, so if you don't want to listen to
this part, don't listen to it. But it's graphic, and
it gets even worse. They will take knife of a
person that's alive, pull it down from their growing and
bring it up their chests all the way up and
cut them open. Kind of like an atopsy if you will,
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while they're alive.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Think about this.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
They will take a chainsaw and you know they make
these persons by the way they film this that why
are we Why are we telling you this because I've
seen the videos. Okay, they love the propaganda. They're they're
the ones that want to control the information with the propaganda.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
They don't like when the media gets involved, because the
media will expose them. And that's why Mexico has the
most journalists killed in any other country. They don't like
the journalists go out there and exposing the truth, but
they love doing their own videos. So they will film
themselves all armed giving out messages, uh and then and
then executing people either with a with a chainsaw, cutting
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off their arms, chopping off their legs, chopping off their
head while they're alive.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah, I heard, I heard that. Well not that I heard.
I know that. Part of this process, and they did
that with with with Kiki as well, is they pop
them up with adrenaline. They keep them alive while they're fucking.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Like they wouldn't believe.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
So the people that they capture, they want to get information.
The torture methods that you can believe they believe beyond
the water boarding, uh, electric shocks, many many different types
of deprivation, highly skilled military type like bright lights, loud
music constantly twenty four to seven in an isolated room.
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Things like that that will, uh, you know, the ployer
in water and electric cute you enough to where you
not die. They'll sometimes have doctors, like alleged in Kiki's case. Well,
they're actually monitoring you so you won't die, so you
will withstand more the pain and the torture.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
That's what these guys are. They'll rip your heart out.
I've seen the video of them.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Yeah, tell us about that, because I thought that's that's
where you're going when you were saying they cut you open,
so please.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
There's there's a different one where they literally just go
into the person's chest. They ripped the heart out and
the heart is still beating and it's showing it to you.
There's another one not so long ago. They've been going
on from up till probably yesterday. There was one about
several maybe late last year. I think he was a
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candidate because they killed thirty seven candidates. By the way,
the Cartela has in Mexico imagine if we had that
in the US. Mayors and governors running for office and
then be executed. Well, that's what happens in Mexico, and
they did. One of the mayor had actually just gained
office like three days later. Then he went missing for
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three days and they found him.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
They took his head.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
They cut him off, cut his head off and put
it on the top of the top of the truck
and displayed it. They've they've I've seen videos where them
playing soccer with a human head. Gosh, it's it's They're horrible. Uh,
They've skinned people alive, they will burn them alive. Those
are horrific videos to watch. I don't want to watch
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them anymore. I get them, they send them to me anyway.
And when I see the beginning of the video, I said,
this is like a torture video. I don't want to
see them. This is beyond gruesome evil. I don't know
what other words to use, but I want you to
think about the mentality.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Right these guys.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
A lot of people tell me all these guys must
have been, must have must be drugged up.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
No, maybe they are, maybe they're not.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
They're just psychopaths, psychotic psychopaths.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
They have absolutely no compassion none. They don't have no conscience,
uh for human life or anything. And and so they
don't feel anything like you and I for uh for
life or a person for human They don't feel that.
And so when you're up against that, that's the part
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that you need to understand that you cannot take them
for granted because they're not afraid now. They used to
be very precautious about US federal agents in Mexico and Colombia,
and they always wanted to avoid that. I think those
days are gone. They're not afraid of anyone. They're not
afraid of the Mexican government, they're not afraid of the
US government anymore. And so when they that fear goes away,
(24:29):
then it's a free for all. They'll do whatever it
is that they need to do to advance their agenda
because that's where they live, that's what they do.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Another thing they talk about is culturally in.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Mexico, we have there's a problem that the kid is
born in Kulasila, Sinaloa, and his dad is a cartel member,
his brother is a cartel member, his uncle is a
cartel member, his cousin is a cartel member, and.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
We'll get what do you think that little boy is
going to be a cartel member?
Speaker 2 (24:56):
And by the age of twelve he knows how to
handle handguns and AKA forty sevens, And so when he
comes to the United States, is an unaccompanied minor at
the age of fourteen? Oh the US, here's unaccompanied minor. Oh,
it's a child innocent. No, he's a killer. A he's
a cicadio. That means he gets paid one hundred bucks
a week to go capture somebody, murder and do these
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despicable things to him. A fourteen year old, Yes you
heard it, fourteen fifteen, sixteen seventeen, considered miners in the US.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Wake up, people, wake up. Listen to what special age.
And Avulo Jo said, wake the fuck up that guy,
that kid.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Do you think it's gonna be placed at the middle
school or a high school over your town? Is gonna
assimilate overnight? And say, I'm an American boy and I'm
gonna know.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
I'm living the American dream.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
No, that's not that's the no, it's way way. They
have a different ideology. That's why they're terrorists. So the
ideology of ices and the Italiban.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Is a different one.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Maybe it's a religious one, maybe it's a Westerner culture one.
The cartels is power and power and money. That's what
they want, and they have a there's a lot of
glorification of this in the in the Mexican culture, with novelas, televelas,
the soap operas, the music. There was just a report
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yesterday or day before yesterday of a group, I forget
the name of the group, some Northanio type group. They
put a display they call mantas right where the cartel
uses these cloth type for messages and they'll hang them
at the top of.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
A bridge to announce what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
They put it on there and says to this group,
don't you dare play in Masatlan. If you play in Masatelan,
we're gonna kill you all of your group members, even
the guy that installs the lights for the for the stage,
all the way to the guys. So in other words,
don't even try it. Who the hell cares? The cartel cares.
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They control the narrative, they control the what goes out there.
And when you have these groups, they've killed so many
of them that what they call corridos, which are basically
story telling in a song, and guess what they're passing
messages with the songs from one cartel to the other.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
I tell you.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
They're hidden messages. Sometimes they're just blade messages. But you
would think imagined as somebody here, an organized group would
tell Beyonce, don't you dare come and play in Houston
or or or Taylor Swift, don't you come and play
in this stadium or else, We're gonna kill you and
your whole staff. Yeah, it makes no sense, right, Well,
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that's that's that's what happened. That makes sense in Mexico.
And guess what, He's not gonna play there. Because they
know that they the cartel doesn't bluff they they they
follow through. They're not the parent that says I'm gonna
spank you if you continue to play a bit of games. No,
they're gonna destroy the video game and the child.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
That's what they do.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
They follow through. And because people know that they follow through,
they are they're terrorizing the people, not just not just physically,
by the way psychologically by extorting their businesses. Every single
day the guy shows up to get a quota fifteenth
every fifteenth of the month, every first of the month,
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you gotta pay me a certain amount.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Why why what do I have to pay you.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
I'm barely surviving here with my little you know, restaurant,
whatever I have.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
They don't care.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
You're gonna pay a certain amount because you are in
our territory. That's the way they see it. We own this,
we own this land, this area. We come into a
town in takeover, and when we take over, that means
we take over. We are the authority. Remember, even the
four Americans, African American Americans that went from South Carolina
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to Matamotos to them were killed. They were put in
the back of a truck, pickup truck, and it was
a person that filmed it right, and oh it went
horribly wrong because that video, that video message was not
their video, and then exposed them for what they are.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Now.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
It was this big heavy lady as supposed it was
a go get plastic surgeon. No she wasn't.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
These guys were in Mexico buying drugs, fent and all
of whatever to bring it back to the States, to
the Carolinas. But I think something went wrong. We don't
know when we're wrong. But they either obviously underestimated the
cartel killed two of them.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
You know, because a lot of people say, oh, we'll
just go down there and talk to a couple of
Mexicans and buy a couple of keys, and we'll be fine,
you know, And they have no idea they're going to
get ripped off and then butchered and slaughtered and dismembered.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
And and thanks for the cash. By the way.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
By the way, the reason I bring up that case
is because never did you see the police. First of all,
when the exposure came out of the golf cartel doing that.
Who put out the message? Who caught the bad guys
the golf cartel themselves. They cut their own, put them
up there and arrested them all tied up, and said,
here are the guys responsible. By the way, they put
(30:09):
a big message. I remember I translated it for some
media outlets. Uh. They lifted in the windshield of a
vehicle and said, by the way, this is not us,
this is not the golf cartel that you know, because
we are here to protect the people from the bad guys.
That's what they love saying all the time. And then
they said, uh, uh, these people didn't have the authority
to do what they did. And that's why anyway, they
(30:31):
possially are basically apologizing to.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
The pr campaign. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Thinking, where was the police? The cartel killed them, the
cartel caught him and turned them in. They were they
were the law enforcement, they were everything. They were the court.
Never did you see the police.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Why?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Because they owned the territory, they control it.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Yeah, that's amazing. I'm glad you brought that up. But
I want to talk about two things. Won that you're
going into this whole messaging ideology stuff that takes us
back to Meelan here Phillies a Yatlo right in the
creation of l Dajada. But then I want to go
right back to lostas how many do you think are
(31:16):
operating here in the US, and and how dangerous that is?
And why I keep on going back to this how
many are here and how dangerous the threat is here
because the American people aren't just not used to it.
I know a lot of people in the South, they'll
be like, oh fuck that, a bunch of Mexicans will
fucking shoot them up. It doesn't work that way. You know,
a couple of fat guys with shotguns and a lot
(31:37):
of beer is no match, is not gonna happen. I
don't care how good of a shot you are, you
will be fucking slit open like a fish and fucking beheaded.
So you know, don't even fucking try and play tough
because they're gonna lose. But right, Fonseka, the rest of
the guys, they created a lot dahada right if you
(31:59):
If you remember, Phileysaeto said, what was the reasoning? He's like,
you know, the US has been taking our minerals or
petrol or this, or money or cash or women or
all this stuff. You know, our territories are for for
a hundred years. You know, it's only right that we
take their cash and send them drugs and destroy their
(32:21):
fucking brains and their fucking people and blah blah blah.
How real is that because you taught you mentioned about
that kidnapping and how turned them in and did all
that and said we're here to protect. Is that just bullshit?
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Well?
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I think I think they believe it. Okay, I think
I don't think it's bullshit. I think they believe it,
and uh and they're very Uh. Their allegiance is to Mexico,
not necessarily like the an American patriot with American flag.
I love my country. I love the flag, and I'm
a have allegiance United States. They have a type of allegiance,
(32:59):
but it's different than.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Like robin hood, like a robin Hood thing, like, well,
that's how they work, right, that they are there to
protect thee So.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Many videos of the guys all suited up, and the
first thing they say is like, we are not extortionary,
we're not rapist, we're not here to We're here to protect.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Excuse me, you're the ones that's doing everything.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
You just said you didn't do, and so yeah, they
so of course they lie about that, but I think
you're onto something here as far as the bigger picture
is they have this type of allegiance and maybe they're upset,
but greed does a lot of things to you a
lot of times. You know, in my law enforcement career,
(33:41):
a lot of people that we caught people say criminals
are stupid. It's not that they're stupid, it's that they're clouded.
And one of the they're clouded by many many things.
One of the things that they're clouded by is greed.
They're not thinking clearly. They they they're they're so concerned
with the money, they're so concerned about what's going on
with the money, how they're gonna spend the money, how
(34:04):
they got the money, how they're gonna distribute. They're so
concerned with more and more and more in this avarice.
Greed that they have sometimes clouds their judgment and they
empower that decision and power. All the power is another one.
So you got the greed combined with the power. All
of a sudden, these people are not thinking straight.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Uh, they're paranoid.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Another thing is they're paranoid about law enforcement and all
this stuff, and so they're cloud and that's why they
make bad judgments, which is favors the police. And I
think the feelings gotya those people, I think ultimately is
very They're selfish. That's what these guys are. They're very selfish,
only to help themselves. And you know, they started with
(34:47):
pot and then what if they think that pot wasn't enough,
so let's move into cocaine and why because they wanted
to make more money. And remember when that started, it
was Columbia that really controlled all that. Look at where
we're at now, where it's shifted one eighty and it's
the Mexican cartels that control. Uh, the movement Columbia still
(35:08):
involved there making here and there and the heroin and stuff.
But it's still uh, it's still the way that they
work for the Mexican cartels than the way it used
to be before.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Now there now they now now they're manufacturers, their manufacturers.
That's it. That's all.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
They are flyers and uh and the Mexican cartels take
care of everything else. But the the the presence of
the cartels in the US is something that is going
to have to be looked at a lot more now.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Because so let's do that.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Let's do that, walk us through the presence of the
cartels in general, and then if you can pinpoint, they'll
set us.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
So we'll set us. You asked me how many other
We don't know. We don't know because there's there's different
types of card. Let's set that cartel members. Right, you
got the businessman, you got the lawyer, you got uh financers,
you have banged you have real estate people, you have
(36:03):
mortgage people, you have those type of people.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
There's set the cartel members.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
They're absolutely they're controlled and they're paid and they're on
the payroll. They might even have a job, they might
have a nine to five job. It doesn't mean that
they're non cartel members. Some people think that some of
these people guess all they do. No, you might just
help them out once in a while when they need
something and they pay you.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
That makes you a car a set the cartel member.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
So and then of course you have the actual must well,
the one that's actually working with the local gangs in
Texas and Georgia and Denver and all that.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
To distribute their product.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
They're there to oversee that the product is distributed, just
like any supervisor would write. In any corporation at Amazon
like we talked about, or any business manufacturing business.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
You're going to make sure that everything.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
That the line is is accounted for, that nothing is missing,
that the quality or whatever they want.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
So that's that's your supply chain manager, right, that's right,
that's right, And that the vehicles that are driving the
dough get through there, and and who you're going to
hire first, and who you're going to hire next, and
make sure it's not an undercover agent.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
All these things. You got that person, right, the coordinator
if you will.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
And then of course you have the enforcement guys, the
guys that are there that these are just killers cicadio's.
By the way, they actually have promotions within their organization.
They start off as lookouts. That's the other one, that's
the lowest of the toll. You have a lookout. This
is a fourteen year old kid. Who's a lookout? Who
(37:42):
is this fourteen fifteen year old kid. Well, he's a
middle school high school student and he works will set us?
Why because his brother works will set us. Maybe the
brother's an enforcer and he starts off as a lookout
and all he has to do, all he has to
do is let him know when there was any kind
of activity that just doesn't seem right, whether it's at
(38:03):
the school, whether it's at the mall, wherever the little
kid hangs around. Who cell phone, there's the there's police here,
there's that's where they have people everywhere. That's why they know,
especially in Mexico but also in the US. So then
that kid gets what guess what he strives to be.
He strives to be promoted to a cicadio because now
they're gonna pay him a couple of hundred dollars a week,
(38:25):
and now they're gonna tell them.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
All they're gonna do is order them to kidnap.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
People, uh, to rape people, uh, to extort people, and
eventually to kill people.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
That's his job.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
That's his job when he graduated from it, even graduated
from high school, and that's his job. And they're like,
well you did. You're such a good cigario that you're
you're gonna be ahead of the astaca. That's what they
call him. An astaca is ahead of a group, like
I was. I was, and I became I got promoted
to a GS, A group supervisor. Now I oversee ten agents. Well,
(38:59):
now you got the guy from the stack got overseeing
ten cartel members like the ones that attacked us. By
the way, I don't know if I shared this with
you last time. They were not dressed in all black
and military attire, painted with coverfe nothing. These guys were jeans,
T shirts, very fit, short, very well groomed.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Military military stuff, very disciplined.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
They knew how to handle those weapons, and so a
lot of people sometimes think that they're very you know,
because they have their elites. So just like the police,
you know, I as an agent would do rest warrant,
search warrants, you know, suit up and all that. But
then then we had a high risk warrant. Well, we
would call our SRT, what we call the the Special
(39:46):
Response Team or you heard them as a swat the
heavy duty guys, right, and they would.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Do it for us.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Well, the cartel has those guys too, and those are
probably the videos that you see. I show some a
lot of those as well, and these are like heavy
duty military. And then when you see the pictures, when
I see the equipment and the weapons that they're wearing
that they're showing like, this is the state of the art.
And you know what I think about, Elina. Every time
I see that.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
I think money.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
All I see is money because all I know how
much that costs. It's very expensive. And that's just one guy.
Then you talk about the armored vehicles. Then you talk
about the fleet vehicles, the pickup trucks, the cars.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Think about it. Now, look at how where he started.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Now this is the.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Corporation, So how many people.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Well you start adding people at every division of their organization,
and then you have the Saint Louis division, you have
the Chicago division, you have the Atlanta division, Houston, Dallas,
the same thing, and so all of a sudden you're like, well,
then they're everywhere.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
You know another one that they extra died in before
I forget oh, El Gato is the one that ordered
the murder of a rival. He was pissed off because
they had He was an attorney gang member, Carktowle member.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Uh they.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
I forgot that the guy's name. He was killed in
Mexico when I was there. They executed him. Executed him
in South Lake, Texas, a really nice, uh town of
about thirty thousand people, in the middle of the town.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
Square in front of Victoria's Secret He was with his wife.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
They had been following him for over a year and
they finally got tired of following him and that they
had the chance. And right there two hitman came up
and shot him and killed him on a Saturday afternoon,
right there in front of everybody. They didn't care that guy.
The order to hit from Mexico was extradited as well yesterday.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
That's amazing. That's crazy, bro. So if you were to
measure the threat level here, what would you what would
you would you rank it as?
Speaker 2 (42:00):
If the State Department does this, they have up to
level four. No, one's a level zero. It starts one, two, three, four,
when I was going through they call it SOS training
through the State Department. Everybody's gonna go overseas has to
go through this training. As a matter of fact, if
you're gonna take your spouse, where you can take your family,
they have to at one point come in to get
(42:20):
trained themselves because of all the crap they're going to
see and possibly here. So one thing that they'll tell
you really quick that they say right away when you
show up. First of all, they tell you as soon
as you get to whatever country you're going to, you're
not gonna be better looking. You're still fucking ugly, and
you're not gonna be up because all of a sudden
you're gonna be approached by.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
A lot of women. Why espionage, right, they're trying.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
To get intel anyway, I just had to throw that
in there. But that SOS training. What they do is
they're they're preparing you so when you go to Mexico, whatever,
But they do it according to the level.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Right, Afghanistan, Iraq back then Iraq.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Level four level four, Level four, Singapore level one, Canada
level one, Mexico level four, critical level four. You know what,
you know what happened that when I was going to training.
Half of the room that was there is a big room,
a bunch of young guys. They were all going to
bag that back then, and and I'm like, oh shit,
(43:22):
a you guys going to backdand to Iraq.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
And they're like, where you're going? I said, I'm going
to Mexico.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Oh ship.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
That was the reaction.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Oh, they were more concerned about me. Maybe they knew
something right.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
They were rightly so, because Mexico is a level critical
level four. So now going back to your question, what
level is that, I don't think we're a level critical four,
uh as far as their presence here, but we're definitely
a two or three for sure, maybe a three of
their presence because and I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
I agree with you, by the way on that.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
I agree with you that, yeah, they're good at hiding
and incorporating themselves. They tell you again, they look like
you and me, you're not. Oh here it comes.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
And that's the cartel member. Now some some are boisterous
and some you'll see that. And as a matter of fact,
the ones that are boisters are a lot of wannabes
and and those are not the real ones. And so uh,
that's what makes it even more difficult to track them down.
And a lot of crimes.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
This is one thing that the.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Local pds and investigators know when they come across a crime,
they're like, uh, this guy, this has cartel written all
over it.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
But it's not reported that way.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
As a matter of fact, there's sometimes not a lot
of times not sometimes a lot of times not reported
officially on the reports. Why because it brings a lot
of ramifications. Financially, no town wants to be known for
having cartel members in the town. They just considered it, Oh,
it was just another murder from a crazy nuh and
uh and.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
And also the truth is a lot of these guys
are scared and they don't want to use the word
cartel or even put it on the radar because they
don't want to be the guy that somehow somebody comes
after for retaliation. That's why you see it in the media.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
To remember the movie, which is a big soakra a
big impact for me.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
End of watch.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
This one came out I think in two thousand and
eleven or around uh.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
The two l A.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
P d Cops they kind of start getting slooping around
and then they tell them, hey, this is cartel you
you're dealing with, and they didn't give a shit. They
end up being executed. Horrible movie. When I watched that,
it really triggered me. But that you're right, a lot
of the locals these are these are local PD cops
on the beat man. They they're there every single day.
(45:32):
They know them, they know the bad guys. The bad
guys know the cop by name. And then sometimes they
build these report relationships of I know what you do,
and I know what you do and and I'm telling
you it's it's a dangerous world, and they understand it.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
Yep, I know you got to go. Man, I appreciate it.
You're you're the freaking you're the man. You know it's uh,
it's crazy, and and and on that and on that note,
it is despicable what the Left is doing by doxing
ice agents, absolutely horrendous.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
I think you're talking about dangerous, You're talking about dangerous.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
What do you what are you trying to do? Kill us?
Speaker 2 (46:06):
You're trying to kill one because that's what Who do
you think is gonna get the information? The bad guys
are gonna get the information. Yeah, And and that's what
I'm saying is that on a daily basis. Anyway, they
should be prosecuted.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
They should be at least spend some time in jail,
because that is extremely, extremely dangerous. Victor, you're the man,
You're the boss. Thank you so much for coming back
so fast. And uh and and and and I know
I'm gonna see you again very soon because, like you
said on Wednesday, everything changes every single day.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
By the way, then too, yeah we were we were
just talking, but like I said, hey, it's changing by.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
The day of the hour. Book here we are.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
Yeah, awesome, brother, I appreciate it. Man, have a great weekend.
I know you're doing a hit. Kick ass.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
We'll be in touch by all right, thanks pal.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
All right, guys, hopefully it was everything we hyped it
up to be.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
And uh, and a lot more.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
We're gonna have Victor coming on more often and really
honing in on this stuff. This is not going away. Obviously.
You're seeing a lot of activity happening now. Uh. You know,
Mexico is trying to play a little nicer, but like
Victor said, it's all bullshit because at the end, you know,
(47:13):
we've been requesting these people for decades. You know, in
some cases, you know, a decade. But what about the
current guys, What about the current cartels, What about the
current people that are operating over there and their organizations
over here. What is Mexico doing to help the US
the Trump administration ice Tom Home and to curve that
(47:37):
to capture them. Are they collaborating, are they given providing
intel or are they just fucking sending smoke signals and bullshit?
I guess time is gonna tell. Time will tell because
it always does, and we're gonna be following up. We're
gonna be following these stories. We're gonna be you know,
we have access to a lot of great information, a
lot of great intel, a lot of good sources out there,
and we're gonna keep on bringing these stories forward. Hopefully
(47:59):
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