S2E4: ICE Raids Arrests Tren de Aragua Gang members, Pam Bondi, Lawfare

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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Today's Thursday, February the sixth, and welcome to igh going rogue. Guys.
It has been an amazing past few weeks. I don't
think anybody can be doing anything but smiling, maybe laughing
at certain points, but definitely happy overall. We live in
a very different world that we did a month ago.

(00:52):
It is amazing, truly blessed to be living in this
country and to have Donald Trump as our president again.
Man bam boom, uh, elon, Marco, you name it, everybody,
It is fantastic. We We have a guest today, former

(01:13):
Navy jag attorney in multiple cities in Washington, d C.
Good guy, hardcore ultramaga. One of the uh what was it, despicables,
disposables what Hillary Clinton calls I can't remember, but there
he is, Rod woodstat Demanda Myth, the legend, all the
way from Baltimore County, Man from the People's Republic of Maryland.

(01:35):
How the hell do you? How can you still live there?
At least you got a black Maga hat.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Pal Well, actually this says I think this says. This
isn't the Black Magas. It's one nation under God.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Oh very nice.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah, I like the flat brim hat Yeah, if I
could get one from the president, that would be awesome. Yeah,
flat brim black Maga hat.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Those black Maga hats are cool shit. Hey, Pam, dude.
Fuck yeah, she's fucking awesome. Dude, She's awesome. And yeah,
I know you had an opportunity to work with her
as well in the twenty twenty thing. I know you
like her a lot.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Very very impressive woman.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah man, Yeah, she certainly was. And what do you
think about those two main things she did right out
of the gates? Right?

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Well, you know what, first, let's talk about her confirmation here.
I mean, you know, she was calm, cool and collected.
She didn't let any of those senators get under her skin.
She held herself with dignity and grace in there and
proved that she is, you know, the right person at

(02:41):
the right time. And yes, first two acts out of
the out of the gate, you know, she knocked the
ball out of the park.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah man. And you know what, it's a good point.
Did you bring up the hearings.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
We didn't.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
We didn't talk about that on you know, on the
air or anything. We purposely waited a little bit, you know,
to come back. Fair most most other people are going
to be you know, confirmed. But she was man. She
was cool, but she was strong, and she was firm,
and she pushed back to right. She didn't take shit.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Well, you know, it's interesting I've come to learn over
the years of watching he's hearing. You know, my friend,
I've introduced you to him before, Dave Jonas he went
through the confirmation process the last time when he was
nominated by the President to be General Counsel for the
Department of Energy. And it really is just a show.

(03:31):
It's an opportunity for those senators to try to make
talking points and you know, little political victories. There's rarely
a question that's thrown at those people. It's just it's
really more let me just get my little you know,
my little words, right, yeah, exactly, so they can make
it onto the nightly news. It's it's unfortunately there's no

(03:56):
substance at these hearings any longer.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
It's a show.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Well, it all went down the crapper with the whole
Kavanaugh hearings. I mean that that.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Was that was the worst. You know. I don't know
if I ever told you that this, but I met
Justice Kavanall many many years ago. He was part of
the the the the Bush Gore recount process.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
I didn't know that, yep, yep, I don't know. That's interesting.
But he's he's a good guy man, I mean ship,
he went people high school. Dude, It's like, are you serious, dude? Straight?

Speaker 2 (04:34):
He went well, he went to high school with some
people I know, and you know, look, I was in
that crowd. Now, look, I'm in Baltimore, not in Rockville,
not in Montgovery County. But did our paths cross, you know? Yes?
And let me tell you something about the private school
mentality when I was a kid, and how it is
now here in Maryland. You mess around with one of
our girlfriends and we're gonna kick your ass at a part,

(04:57):
try to rape one of our girlfriends, were to kick
your ass. That ship never.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Happened, that's right, dude, and it and it happened too.
I mean, look, I you know, I I grew on
Montgomer County and went to uh went to Churchill, and
there was a lot of rivalry between us and Whitman
and and Wooton, and a lot of times ended up
in big fucking fights.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
You know, yeah, fights between men.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
But let's say, let's.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Say nobody nobody took about with one of your girls.
Oh yeah, you fucking show up at their house and
beat the living ship out of them.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Yeah, it didn't happen.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
It didn't happen.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Yeah, it's all bullshit, dude, It was all bullshit. But
fucking Pam, dude. So tell us what Pam did.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Well. I think the biggest piece is the denial of
grant money to the sectuary city.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
So how does that work? Can she do that? Isn't
that allocated by Congress or by somebody?

Speaker 2 (05:52):
I haven't researched that fully, but we're talking about grant
moneys and the Attorney General probably has a pocketbook there. Okay,
So spending authority in in the cities, in the in
the states where they can all you know, allocate resources,
like you know, the attorney the US attorney for the
District of Maryland. I can't recall the gentleman's name right now,

(06:15):
but you know, he needs resources to conduct his operations.
And if he's not going to cooperate and he's gonna,
you know, put up a fight against ice, then he's
not gonna have the resources from the d o J.
That's the way that's gonna work.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Ah, gotcha, gotcha. Okay, So it's a d J. It's
a Department of Justice thing.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
It's not it's gotta be Look, he didn't you know,
the news. The news doesn't get into it, into it
in any depth. They just report but that it's got
it has to do with money and resources.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
But that's good, right, because you get a piece of
shit US attorney like the clown you have up in Maryland,
who's a total fucking piece of crap, you know, that
wants to wanted to investigate who's the president?

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Do you know?

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Kinds of bullshit? You know, that's a that's a great example, right, all.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Right, let's let's let's let's get something straight. Okay, We've got,
you know, the Attorney General of the State of Maryland,
which is one person, and then there's the US Attorney
for the District of Maryland, which is a federal he's
a federal law and for he is the he is
the chief federal law enforcement officer for the District of Maryland.

(07:24):
Whereas the Attorney general, Okay, that's an elected official here
in the state of Maryland, and he has really nothing
to do with the federal side. He's the state attorney general.
And yes, he's the one who wants to talk about,
you know, suing Trump. They did the last administration when
there was some talk about him suing Trump, even though

(07:47):
we had a Republican governor, we had a Democrat attorney
to two different people.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
So what about the US attorney Now did they get
rid of them?

Speaker 2 (07:58):
I haven't seen any news reports of him. He was appointed,
you know, Rod Rod Rosenstein, if you remember him from
you know, Trump's first term, he was he was the
United States Attorney for the District of Maryland. And when
the whole you know thing blew up after Comy, they
elevated Rod to the basically the deputy attorney general because

(08:23):
the attorney general was was conflicted out what was his name?
The senator from who wasn't.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Pardon me, the senator that the recused himself. There was
attorney general, right.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
So they put Rosen. So Rosenstein left, Uh, you know,
the District of Maryland went up to become the basically
the number two, uh, the O J guy, and so
in when they had a there was a a somebody
holding that spot. Well, when Biden was elected, he placed

(08:59):
the current he nominated the current United States Attorney for
the District of Maryland. That gentleman was a former he's
a former delegate here in the state of Maryland. I
don't know much about him. I would think that he's
probably going to be replaced. You know, this whole replacement
of US attorneys was a it was a really big

(09:23):
deal years ago. I think it was when Obama took office,
he basically replaced every one of George Bush's US attorneys.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
And then.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
When when Trump took office the first time, he did
not replace a lot of the US attorneys. And you
know in the various districts around around the United States.
So that person is a very powerful person here in
whatever district it is. You know, you hear about the
Southern District of New York, extremely powerful position.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
That's amazing. Why I hope he gets rid of all
the all the all the lefties and all the commeds.
Especially in the People's Republic of Maryland.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
It used to be such a great state and now it's,
I'm sorry to say, man, just a communist wasteland.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
But what it is, it's it's a bastion of tax
and spend. I was telling you on the pre call,
but there's two taxes that the current governor, Wes Moore,
who's you know, obviously setting his sight probably for a
presidential run. You know, he's an Obama type of guy. Uh.
There's a lot of allegations about stolen valor. He apparently

(10:38):
was wearing a bronze star without authorization to do so,
and his excuse was that his commanding officer told him
that he could wear it. That's just look, I was
in the military. You don't wear any decorations into you
or actually awarded it. So we'll let that one, you know, sit,
that'll that'll, that'll come back up. But so on the
tax issue, Governor more he has proposed in the budget

(11:03):
attacks it's a delivery tax. So anyone in Maryland who's
listening to this and you have Amazon, Ups, FedEx, the
United Postal Service, whoever delivering packages to your door. He
has proposed a seventy five cents per package tax on

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each package that's dropped at your door. My wife, we
probably have three or four packages dropped at the door
a day. You know, this is going to cost me
probably an extra fifteen you know, in taxes, it's another tax,
and then the other one is so You know a

(11:45):
lot of people when they buy a car, they buy
a new car, they trade in their car, right, and
you get a trade in allowance. So here in Maryland
and probably most other states, the way the tax works is,
let's say you were buying one hundred thousand dollars motor vehicle. Yeah,
and your trade in value is fifty thousand dollars. So

(12:09):
the difference is at fifty thousand dollars that was taxed.
That's what they call a registration fee. That fifty thousand
dollars was tax Okay, So under his proposed new tax scheme,
they would not give you that credit for that fifty
thousand dollars trade and you would pay tax on that
full one hundred thousand dollars price tag.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
Dude, that fucking state is all about taxes. You remember
that other dipshit on Malley that had the ring tax picture,
You can put that.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
A flush tax. There was the flush tax as well.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
What tax?

Speaker 2 (12:41):
There was another tax. It was called the flush tax,
and it was for everyone who was on a septic
system that you know, basically you were going to get
charged for flushing your toilet.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Oh my god, bro, Yeah, I'm mister British or see
if you can put that picture up. This story though,
the one I was telling you before before we got
on on the air, that Wes Moore is proposing tax
hike on income and on capital gains. Of course, dude,

(13:14):
how how much?

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Here it's so senior citizens have a discounted fishing license
in Maryland. I don't know what the cost is, but
he's got a two hundred and forty increase on senior
citizen fishing license fees.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Holy shit, dude, that's what people want to do when
they're retired, right, is go fishing? Dude. Of course, of course, dude,
that's crazy, dude.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
That's all Democrats know how to do. They don't have
any other ideas except tax and spend and speaking and spend.
Now we're seeing where our our taxes are so damn
high because we're sending Big Bird over to Iraq.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah yeah, and we're we're and we're we're coming up
with comic books with god trans superheroes to push and
world countries. Dude, what the fuck is that? Dude? Did
you hear the Press secretary yesterday with a laundry list
of shit? You know? Twenty six million dollars went to
media companies twenty Well, I'm not not media companies, dude.

(14:16):
If I would have known, bro, if I would have
known that USAID was given out cash, man, I would
have gone and knocked on the door of Uncle Joe
or or the big guy and uh and kind of
deal with them. Man, fucking a. You know, we're we're
scrounging for fucking pennies, you know, trying to fucking do
that project. And uh. Then meanwhile, political is getting twenty

(14:39):
six million dollars. That's that's fucking ridiculous, dude. And twenty
six million dollars is across the entire federal government. You know,
us I D gave them eight point two million. I mean, dude,
that's fucking crazy.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
So a buddy of mine sent me a list today
of all the monies that were sent to I think
think it's our seventh congressional district, which is Infuome's district.
For all the was it Lutheran or Episcopal churches that
are running immigration operations? And it was. I mean, I

(15:15):
saw one hundred and forty million dollars went to one
church here in the seventh Congressional district. One hundred and
forty million dollars.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Look at that. Look look at the screen. That's the
California caation of Maryland, says the second paragraph. Mister Moore's
latest budget proposal includes a major tax increase. The state's
top income tax rate would jump to six point five
from five point seven five today on filers earning more

(15:48):
than a million dollars, with a separate six point twenty
five for those earning more than five hundred thousand. The
old five point seven to five or eight would still
fall on talkspayers earning above two hundred and fifty, which
in Maryland fucking everybody filing jointly.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Well, you know, it's interesting here in Maryland. Those top
wage earners are Democrats.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Yeah yeah, they're all the fucking deep state lobbyists and
everybody living in Faber dude.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
You know they are.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
You know, no longer is the Republican Party the so
called party of the rich, well, party of the common.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Man, yeah man, working class, working class.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Which is great, which is great. I mean, look, I
don't make a living using my hands. I use my mind.
But I'm you know, I'm a Republican. I have lots
of friends who were in the trades, and they all
were telling me. I mean, I had concrete poured at
my house and the concrete man came out. I started
talking to him about politics and he said, you're damn right,

(16:42):
I'm going to vote for Trump.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Yeah, dude, I told you in you know, in twenty
twenty one, I was so, I was so in Maryland
and the county sends you know, workers out to trim
you know, the dream or whatever that are by the
power lines, and you know a lot of these workers

(17:04):
are you know, his fanning guys, Salvadorians, Mexicans, and you know,
they knocked on the door. Hey, you know, we got
a trim. Can you move your cars out of your
driveway so shit doesn't fall and brick and whatever. So
I started talking to them while I'm out there. It was,
it was, it was. It was right before the election

(17:24):
in Virginia and a lot of these guys live in Virginia,
you know, And I was asking them and I said, hey,
you know, so you know who did you support did
you support buy it in Trump? And they're like, I'll
buy it and buy it and you know, but fuck that,
you know, there's fucking like they say they met and
I know how nah, you know this fucking old man
doesn't know you know anything, right, And then you know,

(17:47):
shits fucked up. I remember by then, dude, the gas
had gone up, the fucking supermarket pricings had gone through
the roof a year, just a year after fucking Trump.
And uh and I said, well, where are you guys living.
They're like in Virginia And I said, who are you
gonna vote for youngin or fucking uh you know, Terry mccolluin,
they're like fucking Yum King, Yung King, Yung King. You know,
they're gonna vote for young King. And uh and they did. Bro.

(18:10):
It was a twenty two point fucking Hispanic swing in
fucking Virginia bro from from twenty twenty and and and
that got that guy Governor Youngkin elected by one percent,
which was fucking crazy. The Hispanics fucking just fucking bulldozed
all the way over on the other side. And you know,
we saw that in twenty twenty two, and we saw
it obviously now right and and and and in this

(18:31):
election forty six percent nationwide. It's fucking crazy. But uh,
you know, going to that point is dude, everybody, I
think that has to work right, that is not making
massive amounts of money, feels it in their pocket with
the gas and the grocery stars. And that's why they
fucking failed so miserably because they were talking about fucking
trans tampons and bathrooms. That's all they did.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Well, you know what was one of the first things
Biden did when he when he got into the Oval offices.
He's up down the pipeline, right, I mean that's what
really started the inflation. I mean when you cut off
energy sources. Okay, you know it. Look it takes fuel,
diesel fuel for trucks to deliver trains.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, everything, dude.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Everything exactly exactly, so that you know that was that
was the seed that was played early in when he
took office.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Well, and on top of that, they pushed that whole
Department of Transportation crap. The trucks had to log miles
and pay taxes in each state that it drove through.
Oh my, I didn't, I didn't, Yeah, dude. It was
fucking crazy. It was fucking It was absolutely fucking nuts, dude.
I mean trucks, you know, they're driving in Virginia, they
got to log their miles in Virginia. They go into Maryland.

(19:51):
They got to log the miles in the Maryland into Pennsylvania,
New Jersey, New York, and they got to pay taxes
in each state for the amount of miles they drive
in each state every fucking month. So you know, wonder
why fucking pricing was going through the roof, because everybody's
fucking taking a piece, dude, everybody, dude. This is a
free for all, fucking assault on everybody's fucking pocket, you know,

(20:13):
except the rich that you know, what the fuck? You know, whatever,
nextra ten grand, It doesn't matter if you're making you know,
a million, two million bucks, right, I mean, these are elitists,
you know, they don't care. I mean, remember years ago,
what was her fucking name, that idiot, I think it
was Susan Sarandon or something that said, you know, should
only wipe your ass with one fucking one sheet of paper,
you know, a toilet paper. Remember that ship, Dude. I
was like, holy shit, somebody stay away from that fucking bitch.

(20:36):
She must fucking smell like dog shit. You know, it's
fucking amazing. I mean, but the audacity of these fucking people, dude,
is fucking bizarre. You know, they're just fucking nuts. You
know the dude the ice rates we saw all over
the news this morning. David, you got a video for us, right,
mister producer, mister snergly. We gotta get a mister snugly

(20:57):
rod Well.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
You saw my Facebook posts last night. I put a
put a image of dastardly the that dog from the
seventies that and uh what was the dog? Was Schmediley? Anyway, dastardly?
Because Al Green gets up and says he's going to
introduce impeachment articles for the dastardly deeds of President.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Trump, I can't see it. It's not on it's not
on the string there it is.

Speaker 4 (21:31):
Wednesday morning, federal agencies teamed up to swarm several Denver
metro apartment complexes. The ICE Denver office said more than
one hundred members of the Venezuelan prison gang Trend de
Ragua or TDA were targeted in the raids led by
Homeland Security investigations. Our cameras on scene saw several people
detained and taken away. We've learned agents made more than

(21:54):
a dozen arrests, filing glass by doing something about.

Speaker 5 (21:58):
These actions were operation focused on violent criminal aliens, TDA
members and those who are a threat to our public safety.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
Somewhatness is dispute that violent criminals were the only ones
targeted concerned the door to door sweeps seemed to be
looking for any undocumented immigrants.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
All right, so you saw those rais, but there's so
tell us about this. They were talking about how how
they were tipped off and all kinds of shit. Right.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Well, you know, so they went into that one apartment
complex where the one that had gained national attention during
the election, and there was no no TDA members there
and outside outside they were you know, the so called
UH protesters who are really agitators, that's what they are.

(22:46):
And they've got a bull she's got a book. I
think it was a she.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
I can't tell that they can find that video, mister producer,
you can't. I was on our producer, see if you
can find that video.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Oh yeah, you know, you can't tell what these people
if they're men or women. But they're out there with
a bullhorn in Spanish, you know, giving instructions that I
would imagine it was some kind of lawyer, probably funded
by us AID. Yeah, you know, in Spanish, telling telling
the inhabits of that of that apartment building not to

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come out, and if they're apprehended, not to say anything.
I mean, you know, obviously somebody tipped them off. They've
got a leak somewhere, whether it be local law enforcement
or you know, maybe even somebody at the federal level,
you know, tip them off. I saw a report the
other day that they're they're communicating. Is was it was

(23:41):
it TikTok that they're they're communicating and they're leaving these
encrypted messages like leave the bananas outside, which means, you know,
ice is coming into the neighborhood. Oh wow, yeah, oh yeah,
yeah yeah. They're using social media to you know, to
communicate their message. I mean that's how that's how all
those ers were you know, assembled four years ago in

(24:04):
Portland and whatnot. Social media, dude.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
That's crazy, man. And you know, the the the the
the thing is this is so when Trump we lost

(24:28):
our mic for a second. Okay, I'm back, I'm back,
I'm back, yep, Okay, yeah, I don't know what we had.
We had some technical glitch. Mister What did you do? Man?
We gotta we We're gonna have to replace mister s. Anyway,
So remember when Trump said that the mayor of Aurora
came out and said that's bullshit. There's no fucking gangs here,

(24:51):
you know. And then somebody else I can't remember something.
I think it was on CNN with Jade Vance. The
host said, you know, uh, the President saying that all
these neighbor hoods and buildings are are taken over by
by this Venezuelan gang when it when it was really
only two buildings, and Jade Event is like, oh my god,
have you you know, can you listen to yourself? You're

(25:12):
saying two building, two entire communities, Yeah, only two in
the United States of America are taken over by Venezuelan
gang members, you know. And so when ICE goes in,
they have to notify local law enforcement for coordination. So
you you would have to imagine that the leak came
out of the mayor's office. It had to have what

(25:34):
happens there?

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Is there?

Speaker 1 (25:36):
What's a legal thing? Because I saw home and talked
this morning saying that they're going to arrest people if
that continues.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Well, so it's aiding, embedding, the hiding of a fugitive.
So you know, if these people have warrants on them,
you know, detainers, Okay, that's what a detainer is, a.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Warrant, a detainer or retainer.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Detain know, they're called detainers. And let's say you know somebody,
is you been arrested.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
For DUI or whatever, yeah, whatever.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
And they've got a federal charge someplace else, they put
the detainer on them, and that is supposed to tell
the local jail, hey, we had detained that person, we
have a detainer on them. But what we've seen with
you know, the local law enforcement through you know, these
sanctuary cities, is they said they will they're not going

(26:30):
to respect the ice detainers, so they would let those
people out. What's this governor is at the one up
in you know, Massachusetts who saying that he's hiding somebody
in his a woman in his homes and probably has
made who apparently has some type of warrant out for

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him or her, and he's saying that he's not going
to cooperate with law enforcement. That's aiding and a betting.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Can you get arrested for that?

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Well, that's what we're talking about aiding and a betting.
Look if if if you, if you are a fugitive
from justice, okay, and I hide you in my basement,
that's a crime.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
It is Is it ameor is it a felony? Is
it a misdemeanor or a felony?

Speaker 2 (27:21):
I'm sure it's a felony. A felony is defined. The
definition of a felony is a is a crime in
which the maximum punishment is more than one year. That's
that is the That is the federal definition of what
a felony is. So you know most crimes.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
Are a year.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Wow and ken ken Honan arrest the governor of Massachusetts.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
Police power right.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
ICE is you know is A is a federal law
enforcement agency.

Speaker 6 (27:55):
And focus orders are Let me look, Tom, I have
so many questions. They're shouting and helping these people get
away with bullhorns. How is that legal the streets? I
know they can protest, but that's not what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Exactly right.

Speaker 5 (28:12):
When they come to the they cross the line of impediment.
And that's why I'm working very close starting this morning
with Department of Justice.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
All right, there we go, allright, just click.

Speaker 6 (28:21):
Yes, Tom Homan, Look, Tom, I have so many they're
shouting and get away with bullhorns. How is that legal
to get help from the streets. I know they can protest,
but that's not what they're doing.

Speaker 5 (28:36):
You're exactly right. When they come to the they cross
the line of impediment. And that's why I'm working very
close starting this morning with Department of Justice and where
do they cross that line of impediment So they may
find themselves in pair handcuffs very soon. So working with
dog on that gets some legal guidance. I'm not an attorney,
I know what that is about. I know what crossing
that line is. But getting DJ backup on that so

(28:58):
something we're looking at right now. Hers We're not going
to tolerate anymore. This is not a game when we
show up these sites. This is a dangerous job for
the men and women of Ice and Board Patrol and
all the DG agencies. To have this type of interferce
puts our office at great risk, not only of the officers,
it puts the aliens at great risk because anything can
happen when we take our eyes off.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
All right, so what happened? It won't let you, it
won't let you run it, So take it off. Who cares?

Speaker 2 (29:27):
I could hear it.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Yeah, but let's see the video, because he talks exactly
about that that piece that I was telling you about that.
You were talking about the eighting and a betting.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Oh he's talking about impeding okay, impeding a law enforcement operation.
And what he said, it's interesting.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Are all right, let's see if you can get the
ads off.

Speaker 6 (29:44):
And focus Trump orders are Tom Homan? Look, Tom, I
have so many questions. First of all, if they're shouting,
can't get.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
That fucking all right? Whatever? Well you doing all right,
mister Snurgley. They're going to run the AD on us.

Speaker 7 (30:06):
It's about time we paid every day low prices like
at all, the not increasingly.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
High dog whatever anyway, so go ahead, go ahead. You
were talking about aid, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Well impeding so what you know, it was interesting what
Holmand was saying is they are asking d o J
for a legal opinion on whether or not they can
arrest those people and what the charges would be. And
you know, it immediately reminded me when those assholes went
out to Kavanaugh's house. Yeah okay, and they were you know,

(30:38):
essentially threatening them, you know, threatening the judge, and the
d o J did nothing with the people nothing. You know,
did they ever ask d o J for an opinion
letter whether or not they could be arrested? No, because
they had no desire to arrest those people for committing

(30:58):
a crime, so they didn't. They didn't asked for the
opinion letter. So Alm is being smart.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Before here we go. We got the we got the
video queued up now, so let's.

Speaker 6 (31:07):
Go Trump orders are Tom Homan?

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Look?

Speaker 6 (31:13):
Tom, I have so many questions. First of all, if
they're shouting and helping these people get away with bullhorns,
how is that legal to get help from the people
in the streets. I know they can protest, but that's
not what they're doing.

Speaker 5 (31:25):
You're exactly right. When they come to the they cross
the line of impediment. And that's why I'm working very
close starting this morning with the Department of Justice, and
where do they cross that line of impediment? So they
may find themselves in pair handcuffs very soon. So working
with dog on that, get some legal guidance that I'm
no an attorney. I know what sech cops is about.
I know what crossing that line is. But getting DJ

(31:46):
backup on that so something we're looking at right now.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Harris.

Speaker 5 (31:48):
We're not going to tolerate anymore. This is not a game.
When we show up these sites. This is a dangerous
job for the men and women of Ice and Board,
Patrow and all the dog agencies. To have this type
of ferris puts our office great risk. Not only the officers,
it puts the as at great risk because anything can
happen when we take our eyes off the goal here.
So we're addressing that immediately.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
Today.

Speaker 5 (32:09):
I'm addressing opsects today, operational security. How these fleas are happening.
We've already identified how this operation got lead. I'll deal
with that today.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
All right. Obviously that guy's a sideman, he is.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
And you know, you know the thought that was running
through my mind if you looked at those ICE officers
and those law enforced they're fully up armored, Okay, and
then you've got people close by on a bullhorn who
are not armored. Look, this is a war type of zone.
I mean, these operations that they're conducting are exactly like

(32:44):
the door to door combat that happened in Iraq. Yeah,
it's exactly the same. And if if you know civilians,
civilian attorneys, I would I would think that that woman
who was on the bullphone, the bullborn is probably a
lawyer from Catholic charities or one of the other you know, religious.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Cost of Maryland Costa, Maryland.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Yeah, right, you know there's gonna be there's gonna be
a situation where there are bullets flying because these gangs
are dangerous.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
This is not I was about to say. I was
about to say that these gangs are are are criminal assassins.
They they have guns, they have weapons. You know, they
can find themselves shot.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Look, when you get involved with a criminal gang, they
don't hire attorneys. Okay, to send you a lawyer.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Letter, right, just.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Exactly exactly. So you know, standing out on the street
who's not armored and not protected is really taking their
life in their own hands.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
And the other thing, you know, Rod is you know,
it's it's it is impeding, but it's also making law
enforcement's job more dangerous because now they've got to protect idiots.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
They don't care about that. They do not care about that.
They think they've got some kind of moral authority to
go out there and give you know, legal advice.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
So you know Pam, I know Pam. I've met Pam
a long long time ago, very very much at the
beginning of her career, when she was running with Rick
Scott back in twenty ten in that in that wave
that tea party wave right totally reminded me. That's when
Marco ran for the US Senate beat out Chris Chrissy,
et cetera. There was a historic moment. And you worked

(34:35):
with her in twenty twenty, and as stayed in touch
with her, You think she's gonna put up with the bullshit?

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Oh of course not. Look, you know, I don't know
Pam Bondy. I mean, I know her, but I don't
know her. You understand what I mean. I have a
professional relationships. She and I've worked together on the Trump
campaign the last time around and in Philadelphia what we
call edio election day operations, but only as a you know,

(35:03):
not a friend, you know, a professional relationship. But I
have been so impressed with her. Not only you know
is she's smart. She's also tough. Okay, And look, you
don't get to the position where she is without having
both qualities, at least on our side of the party.
You know. Now, you know some of these attorney generals

(35:26):
who have you know, sat in that office before. They
may be smart people, book smart people, are they tough? No?
And speaking of tough, how about Governor Christy Nolan? Oh
my gosh, I mean putting on the armor and going.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Out of South Dakota.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Right, Yeah, you know, it's funny South Dakota. I lived
in South Dakota for a year. I was in law school.
My first year of law school, I went to South Dakota.
I wanted to get away from the East coast, so
I've tried to pick a place as far away as
I could so I could just stuck. I was fortunate
enough to be in South Dakota while the movie Dances

(36:05):
with Wolves was being filmed. Wow, yeah, oh yeah it was.
It was a really a unique opportunity to be out
there with the Native people. And let me tell you something,
there are some wonderful, beautiful people. I know that my
friends in South Dakota are probably upset with the renaming

(36:26):
of the so called commanders in Washington, d C. I mean,
that's just a joke. Yeah, but yeah, South Dakota is
a beautiful state. I got to hunt every day pretty
much while I was in law school. I would go
out to the Mighty Mission, Mighty Missouri River and to
shoot my shotgun out over there. It was a lot

(36:47):
of fun. It was a lot of fun. But being
out there while they filmed Dances with wolves was really unique.
And I'll tell you an interesting story. So while I
was out there, the law school had an organization called
the Native American Law Students Association. And look, my family's
been in Maryland since they came over on an Arkan

(37:09):
Dog sixteen thirty four. And like Senator Warren in Massachusetts,
I have a tiny, tiny little piece of Native American blood.
And while I was out probably.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
More Native American than Senator Warren.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Huh, probably not, who knows how much. But my like
thirty seventh great grandmother was Princess Kiddy Kamunda of the
Piscataway Indian Nation here in Maryland. She married a gentleman
by the name of Giles Brent, who was the first
governor of the state of the Colony of Maryland under

(37:48):
Leonard Caliber. But anyway, so when I was out in
South Dakota, I said, hey, I'd like to join the
Native American Law Students Association. And they said, well, you
can join, but he can't be a voting member. And
I'm like, okay. They said, well unless you're Native American,
and I explained it. You know, my like thirty seventh

(38:08):
great grandmother was this Indian princess. So they allowed me
to be a voting member of the Native American Law
Students Association. Well, the dean in law school found out
about it, and one day I got a note. I
was sitting in class. I got a note, mister Whitstead,
please report to the Dean's office after class. And I'm like,
oh shit, man, what did I what did I do?

Speaker 3 (38:33):
I get up there.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Well, the interesting thing is he was a he was
a the assistant dean was a Air Force JAG officer.
But anyway, I get up there and he's got my application.
He's like, mister Whitstad, I'm reviewing your law school application.
It says here that you're white. And I'm like, yeah,

(38:54):
I am white. He goes, well, how are you, you know,
voting member the Native American Law Students. I told, well,
you know this. He goes, would you do me a favor?
Would you uncheck white and recheck Native American. I'm like what, Like, what.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Why? And he said, well, the more minorities we have
enrolled in the school and more much the more federal
money we get. I looked at him. I go, well,
I'll do that if I get a third of the
money you know that the Feds are going to send
to you for having me enrolled here. I wanted my
attorney's you know, one third contingency fee, and he kind

(39:35):
of just laughed and said, we couldn't do that. But
living in South Dakota was it was absolutely the best.
And the guy who sat next to me was a
gentleman by the name of Charlie Aberresk. And Charlie is
a practicing attorney in Sohoe, Rapid City, South Dakota. His

(39:58):
father was Senator Abrat and Charlie was married to the
widow of one of the Sue men who was killed
at the Wounded Knee you know, federal assault in what
was it seventy two by the way, and I think

(40:18):
I think Biden pardoned Leonard Paltier on the way out.
I don't know if you know who Leonard Paltier was,
but he was involved with the with the Wounded Knee
assault out in Rapid City. But anyway, Charlie was a
really interesting and cool guy. And because he was married
to this Native woman, who, as you know, the Native

(40:39):
people are sovereign nations within the United States, Charlie was
hand selected by President Reagan and Charlie's a Democrat. He
was hand selected by President Reagan to go to Iran
and help negotiate the release of the Iran hostages. And yeah,
Charlie was. He was. He was a buddy of mine.

(41:01):
He and I keep in contact.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
He was.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
He was a really really neat guy. I mean, in
fact that he went over he's you know, helped with
the release of the Iranian hospitals. I thought was just
you know, super cool, super cool.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
That is man. And we know, you know, and we
we we have a friend in common in South Dakota,
even even the Democrats or not, they're not moonbats over there.
They're more more Republican now than Democrats or friend Jeffrey Hazlet,
uh you know, he, I know, he was super happy
with christ you home, getting getting nomination. He I know
for a while he was like, hey, Trump should maker

(41:34):
her his VP. And you know, and look, you know
she was out of a homeland security so that's a big, big,
big shoot, big shot.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
He's doing a great job. Like I said, look, this
this conversation started because I said, how tough is she?
Because we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
The Ah, we just lost Rod. He'll come back he'll
come back. But anyway, so we were talking about that,
Oh there he is. So yeah, we're talking about Pam
and how tough it is she gonna put up with
that bullshit? I don't think so, right, Oh, I.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Think I think she's gonna she's gonna see you know,
what Christy Numb's doing, and like, you know, she's not
gonna put up. She's not gonna put up with any craft. Now.
I don't think she's gonna go on you know, political
witch hunts like they think, you know, she is that.
I think the days of the weaponization of the DOJ
are over.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
Yeah, they're over.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Yeah, But back to home and and and his consultation
with DOJ. DOJ does have legal grounds to have these
people arrested. Right.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Well, look, part of the job, no, so, part of
the job of the DJ, when we're talking about the
lawyer side of the DOJ, is to provide legal advice
to agencies. Right, Okay, Look, there's I don't know how
many assistant attorney general there are out in the world.
I mean, there's ten thousand of them who work for DJ.

(42:55):
Ten thousands. But there's a department, or there's attorneys who
are assigned to write legal opinions to operate. Sorry about that, buddy,
I got texts and telephone calls coming in. So yeah,
So you know, so the d o J, the lawyer
side of the d o J part of their you know,

(43:16):
there's there's I mean, there's so many different you know,
functions of the d J. Part of it is to
bring criminal federal charges against individuals and companies and corporations,
and the other is to provide legal advice. And of
course then there's the civil litigation side of things.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
So yes, when.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Holman's talking about he's going to go talk to d
o J, He's going to ask them for an opinion
letter of what what are our what are our options
when we're you know, conducting a raid and there are
civilians getting in our way.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
And you, as a lawyer, what would be your opinion
if you're a d o J. Because you're going to be.
Rumor has it that you're going to be a d
J sometime sometime later this year. So let's get you
on the record now, man.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
We'll see. So it's interesting. So okay, so you know, look,
you cannot get if that person who was out there
with the bull with the bull horn is a is
an attorney and he or she whatever that person was,
has a client inside the building. That puts a little

(44:23):
bit of a spin on it, like you can't, you know,
the law enforcement cannot get in between an attorney and
her client. So if she's an attorney and she's giving
legal advice to, you know, her client, it kind of
reminds me when I was in when I was in
law school, I was down in Georgetown, or when I
was no I'm sorry, when I got out of the

(44:44):
when I got out of the Navy, I was in
Georgetown with a friend and we drove home and he
got pulled over on New York Avenue right by the
McDonald's there route fifty heading out to heading out of DC,
and got charged with the d and got arrested for
d w I and I asked the police officer, I said,
where are you taking him? And you know, they took

(45:05):
him to wherever it was in Washington and I went
down there and I demanded to see my client and
they had to let me in. Okay, Now I wasn't
impeding on a law enforcement activity, but I was asking
to see my client. So, you know, if that person's
a lawyer, that's gonna that's gonna throw a big monkey
wrench into the legal analysis. If that person is a

(45:28):
non lawyer, Oh, they're gonna get arrested. I would have
him charge.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Well, dude, that was very educational. Rod, thank you. So
it's not. It's not as black and white as everybody
thinks and fucking lock them up and throw them in
there and beat the shit out of them or whatever.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Well, that's the thing about you know. Look, that's why
you get all these different opinions, and that's why we
have a Supreme Court in the end. I mean, the
cases that the Supreme Court often take are when there
is a what we call a split in the in
the opinions of different states, so that they can once
and for all say what the law of the United

(46:06):
States is. But you know, when I was in law school,
here's the thing about law school. It's not hard at
all because there is no right or wrong answer when
you're writing an essay. It's how you get to that conclusion.
That's why you can have different judges have different opinions
on legal legal issues. But when the Supreme Court speaks,
that's that's the end.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
Wow, man, that's a fuck complicated. Man. That's probably why
you know there aren't that many good lawyers, and that's
probably why you know when they're not good lawyers and
they're more agenda driven and they function up and they
turn the DOJ into what we saw the last four years. Right.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Well, look when you're when you are in, when you're
a government attorney, a DOJ attorney, you have you have
to put your political beliefs aside.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Now, the problem is with the last Department of Justice,
like with specifically with regard to Trump, is they went
around and looked for charges. Okay, you can't do it
that way. You don't pick a name and then go
out and see if you can find a charge. Okay,
when a crime is committed, then you can prosecute, but
you don't go and look for crimes against a certain person.

(47:23):
That right there is the weaponization of the DOJ. And
that's got to end.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Dude. That is fucked up big time.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Like I'll give you for example. Okay, So Chuck Schumer,
you know, as we saw threatened Kavanaugh, Justice Kabanal and
a couple of the other Supreme Court justices when he
was out in front of the Supreme Court saying we're
gonna come get you. Okay, if he gets charged for

(47:51):
that crime. It's not that they went after because he's
Chuck Schumer. It's because he committed a crime.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Mister producer. Take a look at this tweet that I
just say you from the President. See if you can
put it up. Actually it's a tweet from Elon Musk,
but it's a screen grab from Trump's post on truths.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
By the way, are they still called tweets when you
put something up on xes?

Speaker 1 (48:17):
I don't know. I mean, there you go. Look at
that looks like billions. Look at that looks like gilly,
it's pretty.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
It's small on my screen. Can you read it for me?

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna read it. So Trump posts on
truth that says, looks like billions of dollars have been
stolen at USAID and other agencies, much of it going
to the fake news media as a payoff for creating
good stories about the Democrats. The left wing rag known
as Politico seems to have received eight million dollars to
the New York Times receive money who else? This could

(48:49):
be the biggest scandal of them all, perhaps the biggest
in history. The Democrats can hide from this one. Too big,
too dirty, thank you, mister producer. He's not gonna he's
not He's not going to let go of that bone.
He's not going to let go of that bone.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Well he shouldn't. Look the amount of money that we
are taxed and look at look at the debt that
this nation is in trillion.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
Yeah, unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
And here we are just sending money all around the world. Look,
there are times when we have to send money around
the world. There's no question about it.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Well, and you heard Ron yesterday. I mean, you know
there's a second agenda usaid, which is you know, the
CIA fucking you know outfit, right, And and then and
then when I was telling you about it, you're like,
holy shit, he said that on the air. And then
fucking Jesse Waters came out with it last night. So
you know you heard it, Herst you heard it first here.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
You know, but well, watch your podcast, and then he
watched Jesse watched your podcast.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
No, you know, Megan Kelly was listening to Battleground all
those times and he stold my fucking tagline, you know,
but hey, it is what it is, right, But dude.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
So I do have to say one thing about the USAI.
I saw where some moneys were being sent. Was it
in Gaza for for rubbers and condos?

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Yeah, so I'm okay with that, dude. Yeah, but our producer,
our producer fact checked that yesterday and it's not Gaza,
the Gaza Strip. It's Gaza Province in Mozambique. So uh okay, yeah,
well you get here.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
You can send contraceptive to terrorist nations all you know,
terrorists people all the time. If it's gonna you know,
cease new terrorists from being born, I'm all for it.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Yeah. They should just fucking be castrated. Fuck it.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
You know, well that's remember that's what a eunuch is. Okay,
a eunuch. If you remember this, so in you know,
like Saudi Arabia, you know they have harems, right, and
they would put you remember from the movies, it was
always be some really big burly guy and he's a eunuch.
Look up what a unuch is. He's pastraight, that's why

(51:01):
he's in the harem because he's castrated.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Yeah, because he can't do anything to him, all right,
he's just there to protect right, that's crazy, bro. They
should do that here to rapist. I don't I don't
know why they don't do that. That's that's that should
be a that should be a thing or chemical class castrat.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
So when I when when I was in the Navy, okay, unfortunately,
you know, I represented a lot of murderers, rapists, and
child sexual abusers and the Army Fort Leavenworth, one of
my clients was a serial, serial child rapist. And if
I told you, I will tell you so. While he

(51:41):
this is when the Seventh Fleet was still in p
I in the Philippines, right, he sexually abused his step
daughters for years and the command knew about it. And
when he got when they shut down the p I
and he got shipped back here to the United States,
he continued to abuses his stepdaughters and commanding officer here

(52:06):
in San Diego found out about it and had him
charged criminally and he was you know, he was court martialed.
And when you know he's in lund Worth. Well, when
I was reviewing his record at trial, I noticed, oh
my god, look how many times he's been to non
judicial punishment for you know, abusing his daughters while he

(52:29):
was in the Philippines. And I'm like, what the hell
is going on? Why in the world is this guy
not getting criminally prosecuted in the Philippines by the Navy
for the same conduct that he was criminally prosecuted for
in the United States. Right, Like, all all this later

(52:52):
sexual abuse could have been could have been avoided if
he would have been prosecuted while he was stilling the
PI And listen, I swear to God, this is what
I was told. I was told that the commanding officer
of the Seventh Fleet had the mere Filipino rule, the

(53:17):
mere Filipino rule. And I said, what do you mean
by that? He said, the victim was a mere Filipino.
Holy shit, dude, holy shit, Like you gotta be kidding me.
That's that's the mentality that our you know, admirals and
and and captains of the seventh Fleet had, that these

(53:39):
girls were mere Filipinos. I mean, they're human beings in seriously, seriously,
serially sexually molested by my client. Now luckily he got
I don't remember what his sentence was. I mean, I'm
I'm not kiddy. It was like eighty ninety years right,
eight y year or what he did to those girls.

(54:02):
And he was in lovel Worth and while he was there,
the CEO of Lovenworth was they were conducting studies on
the sexual predators who were in there, and they were
trying to figure out how they could alter their genitals
so that they wouldn't be aroused when they saw images

(54:24):
of children. Oh my god, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, something.
I mean, I can't remember the full details of it,
but they were like they were they had something hooked
up to it. Jesus, Yeah, they had something hooked up

(54:44):
to it, and they would show them images and they
would they would measure whether or not there was any growth. Seriously, seriously, now,
these pret they consent it to this because you know,
they knew that they were warped. You know, sick sick individuals.

(55:06):
All child molesters know that they're sick. They all know it.
They just continue to do it. I once asked my
expert witness. I was preparing for a trial, and you know,
the defense was is that this guy was molested as
a child himself. And I'm like, man, I just I
just don't get it. And he goes, he goes, let

(55:28):
me explain it to you. He goes, when you were
a child, your mother or your father put you to bed,
they you know, brushed your teeth, They laid you down,
they pulled the covers up, they read your stories, said
your prayers, kissed you on your forehead, and you went
to sleep. Right, that's normal. Well, what happened to these
people is that when they were children, they go through

(55:51):
that same thing, but maybe the dad would put his
dick in the kid's mouth. Fuck right, and he's kills.
They grow up and that's normal, and when they become adults,
they do that to their own children.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Dude, Yeah, that's what this psychiatrist told me. But a
lot of it is just learned behavior children. Fuck dude, Yeah, yeah, dude.
I represented this. I don't know if I've told you
this on another episode, but I had a woman that
she and her husband were both active duty and naval persons,

(56:28):
and they had two boys. And this family had orgies. Okay,
these boys were like thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, and they were
having sex with each other. The two boys were having
sex with each other, dad was having sex with them.
They had sex with their mother and by the time
she got to court martial, she was pregnant, all right,

(56:54):
and they couldn't tell who the father was. Was it
her husband or was it one of her two boys?

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Dude, that's fucked up as shit.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
That child was born, she was she was in she
was in prison when that child was born, and the
child was taken from her immediately by social services. That
was about nineteen ninety five, So you know, a child
is you.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Know, that's crazy, dude. Federal judge orders limited Doge access
to sensitive Treasury Department payroll systems.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Yeah, so what they're worried about there is you know,
non governmental employees. I mean there's a lot of you know,
Social Security numbers and all that kind of stuff in there.
I mean, that's not what he's looking for. He's not
going after individual paychecks. He's looking for big checks going
to you know, different agencies and what the you know

(57:56):
what the memo is for the reason of that payment.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Look at that Alliance for Retired Americans at AL plaintiffs.
That's what it is. There's there, it is. It's actually
on Fox the whole complaint.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Yeah, that was that was that was news. I saw
it last night with that federal judge of Grant at
that injunction. So they're not going to be allowed. They're
not going to be allowed to look at individual paychecks, right,
so you know, you know they're not gonna be able
to look at their pay history. But that's not what

(58:33):
they're interested in anyway. They're looking for where the big
dollars are going. They're not looking at.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
So going back to Pam right and and d O J.
You're a lawyer, farmer jag. You know you've seen a
lot of crazy ship in your day and uh and
even recently that you know, we can revisit in a
minute if you want, back from the PBE days. But uh,
what what is going to be? How does she clean

(59:02):
that fucking zest pool up? Well?

Speaker 2 (59:06):
Well, first of all, because.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
It's huge, right, it's a huge fucking organization, and they
are doing so many I.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
Can't I can't google it. How many lawyers are in
the djuper. It's got to be ten thousand.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
I'm not sure. Let's see what he googles. But dude,
it's got to be so many people in there that
are that are ideologues, you know.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
And like I said, you're not supposed to be in
You're supposed to be impartial, justice blind. If you've ever
been to the Supreme Court, Lady Justice, who's up there
has a blindfold on her. Okay, there's a reason for that,
and that includes, you know, lawyers when you are when.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
You are a go over ten thousand rod over ten
thousand lawyers.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Yeah, there you go. So you know it's look, it's
gonna there are lawyers.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Look.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
I remember when I first got out of law school.
I had some roommate down to the beach and he
was an a U S A Assistant USA, and he
hated ed MEAs And I said, why the fuck don't
you just quit?

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
No? Was it not ed MEAs?

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Who was who was the see if you can google
this real quick, who was the Attorney general when Bush won?
I'm sorry, George W. Bush was the president?

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Guy from Ish.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
I'm drawing a blank right now. But this guy hated
him because he was a very religious person and he
would start the day off in the d o J
with the prayer, with Bible study and actually this this
this this guy was.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
A Ashcroft or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Yeah, was it was it him?

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Right? And he hated him and he would I said, well,
why do you work for the you know, why do
you work for the Department of Justice? If you if
you you know don't like your boss, like.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
Quit do something. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
He's a piece of ship man.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
There you go, there you go the paycheck.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
But all we would do was bitch and bitch and
bitch about who the ag was.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
Like, Okay, leave that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
If you don't believe in the mission. Leave So you know,
I'm sure there's a ton of lawyers. Look all the
all the appointees are gone, All the appointees are gone.
But the bureaucrats, the rank and file lawyers. I mean,
I'm I'm hopeful, optimistic. I guess you know that the

(01:01:39):
rank and file lawyers are not partisan. Now, look, if
you're working for the DJ and your boss tells you
to investigate Donald Trump, Okay, that's your job. You're going
to do it. Does that mean that you're an ideologue,
you know, out to get him?

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
I hope not.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
That would be a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Right, Well, yeah, that's that is the problem. You're not
allowed to look. The d o J cannot say we're
gonna come after iland. Let's find the crime.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
If they if they know that you've committed a crime,
then they can come after you. It's it doesn't work
the other way. It's not a name and then go
find a crime. And that's what they did with Trump.
You know, for the past four years they went after,
they looked for criminal activity. You can't do it. It's
not the way it works, it's not the way the
constitution was, right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
So, uh see, if mister producer, are gonna put up
that tweet from your friend Sidney Powell that says, uh,
I don't really think that he can do that. The
President of United States has full authority over the executive branch.
A tweet saying, you know that the federal judge is
limited dodge dodge.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
That's not true, right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
So it's you know, there's a tweet says that's says
David can you pull it up breaking now? Federal judge
limit zoeje access the sensitive Treasury Department information Right there
it is on the screen. Sidney goes, I really don't
think he can do that. The President of United States
has full authority over the executive branch.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Oh oh, she's criticizing the judge.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, but I don't think that's I
don't think that's accurate, right, I mean, the judge can say,
you know, legally, he can't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
I you know, I don't know enough about the case.
But you know, look, a federal judge has a lot
of power, and yes, you know, yes they can enjoin
executive activity, but they better be on solid ground when
they do it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
What's the penalty if they don't.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
Nothing?

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Okay, So get overturnal appeal and you know, maybe so
a lot of times when judges make dumb rulings, they
get overturned on appeal and that that opinion is published. Okay, Now, look,
no appellate judge is going to just come right out
and say this judge is a dumb ass for ruling

(01:04:01):
this way. But there's a polite way to write it. Okay,
there's a polite way to write an appellate opinion when
the appellate court is like, there's no reason, you know,
a trial judge should have made this ruling.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Well, if you look at some of the opinions of
the judges, you know, in the appellate case of Trump
on the thirty four, you know, felonies or nightments, right,
but we're not.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
We're not. We're in the appeal yet, so there has
there's no But there was there.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Was a hearing a couple of months ago and one
of the judges said, you know, this case would have
never been brought to trial if the guy's nady John Smith.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Yeah, so that was on that was on the judgment.
And so I don't remember what the dollar amount of
the judgment.

Speaker 7 (01:04:45):
Was, but it was massive, right, So to take an appeal,
what the what the court was requiring was that Trump post.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
A bond in the same amount as the judgment.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Okay, yeah, they wanted to bankrupt bankrupt them.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
Right, and so you know, look they they the appellate
court rightfully lessened the bond. I think it was like
sixty seven million dollars or something like that. Yeah, but
that that case, basically what they were saying, it wasn't
right for appeal. The courts do not like what we
call interlocatory appeals.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
I think, what what does that mean?

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
Interlocatory appeal is when an appeal is taken while the
trial is still going on. Okay, they like to take
an appeal when the case is finally finished and then
review the entire transcript for error. There are cases where
you could where interlocatory appeals are proper and they will

(01:05:50):
be heard, but court appellate courts do not like to
take interlocatory appeals. And at the end, I think the
Trump camp or the Trump defense in the in the
Alvin Bragg bullshit case. Remember, they had asked the Supreme
Court to step in and postpone, postpone the sentencing, and

(01:06:12):
the Supreme Court declined to do so because they didn't
want to get involved with, you know, with it at
an interlocket to where they wanted the case to be final.
That case will go to the Supreme Court. Case, Yeah,
so first it's got to go. So the appellate process
is in a case like that. And I'm not a
New York attorney, so I don't know how many courts

(01:06:34):
of appeal they have here Amarland, we have two courts
of appeal. Ones called the court well they just changed
the name, but I'm going to use their old name,
the Court of Special Appeals, and then the Court of Appeals.
The Court of Special Appeals is like a lower appellate court.
But anyway to get to the Supreme Court, you have
to exhaust your appellate remedies. In a state case, you

(01:06:57):
have to exhaust you So.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
You Supreme Court in your state too, right, in.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Your yes, in your case, in your in your state first,
and then you can go straight to the Supreme.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
So that costs millions and millions and millions of dollars
that will never get back.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
So I think I showed you one time. It will
cost a lot of money. And so in nineteen ninety four,
when I was in the Navy, I filed to what
they call writ of circerari. Okay, a writ of circiari
is asking the Supreme Court to take the case. You
do not get to the Supreme Court as a matter

(01:07:34):
of right. Okay, there there are ways to get there,
but normally it's not a matter of right. The court
has to agree to take the case because they only
want to take special cases. Okay, So you file what's
called a writ of cercerari. So when I was in
the Navy, I think, if I go over there, look
at one of my drugs, I'll file. I could find
my my writs. I have two cases to the Supreme Court.

(01:07:58):
And this was in like nineteen ninety four, nineteen ninety five.
The Government printing office who printed the you know, the
the rits. Once we wrote them, they had to be
in a very specific format. The bill, the bill for

(01:08:21):
just the printing and the binding of the writ And
this is again in nineteen ninety five was like sixty
five thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
Christ, dude, sixty.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
Five thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
The Supreme Court had very specific rules on the size
of the paper, the font that you have to use,
the spacing. I mean, it's it's crazy, Like I'm not
sure if I had it here. If I had it here,
I could show you what the fund is. It's very special.
It's not on your computer, okay, that Supreme Court fund.

(01:08:55):
And so you know, when you file that writ not
just filing one, you have to I don't remember how
many it is, but it was back then it was.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
Like one hundred copies or something.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
Right, it's like six hundred copies.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
Holy shit, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
What well, First of all, so there's nine judges, okay.
Each of the judges has about five law clerks who
work for them, right, So that's forty five copies right there.
Then of course you got to send a copy to
the Library of Congress and to you know, the other side,

(01:09:30):
and to all parties. But the main part was is
all those copies went to the law schools.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Oh wow, mm hmm. So your rits are in law
schools and in the Library Congress right now.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Yeah, well yeah, they're yeah, they're out there. So one
of one of the cases, one of the cases we
I got, I got Justice White to write what's called
a dissenting opinion where he said he was interested in
the case and wanted wanted to bring it up to
the Supreme Court. But the rest of the judge justice
has said no. So both of the cases I filed

(01:10:04):
rich of Circiar and they were denied as the Supreme Court.
But it was it was a it was a great
learning experience for me. Now, Dave Jonas, our friend who's
appeared on your show before. Dave and I worked, see
he went second. Dave and I worked on a case
that he got. He got ccer already granted, and Dave
actually argued a case in front of Supreme Court.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
That's amazing, dude. Hey, So you so you know, outside
of your professional legal I guess commercial practice, you played
a huge political legal role for decades, involved in a
lot of campaigns, including twenty twenty. I don't know if
you want to really talk about that, probably not, but

(01:10:47):
you know you supported so many presidential races and others
as well. How does somebody that's running for office. Get
a hold of you. How do you work? You know?
Do you you just advise campaigns, advise the candidate? What
what is your role in these things? And and and
and how do you take on clients? How do you

(01:11:08):
decide to take on a client's right? If somebody's running
for so if somebody's running for US Senate here in
Florida or for you know, state senate, you know, or
for school board or whatever, and they say, you know
what do that that That dude's a fucking boss. Dude,
I need to hire that guy, because all these fucking
other guys are fucking jackasses. How do they get hold
of you? How do they retain you? How does that work?

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Yeah? So so you're gonna laugh at this, but it's
the work that I've done for governors, president, senators, whatever.
I've never charged him.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Holy shit. Yeah, don't don't give out your information, man,
because everybody's gonna be calling you from around the country.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Yeah. So when they're when we have, when we have
what we know is going to be a contested election,
you know, very tight like this last one it was.
I've been member of the Republican National Lawyers Association since
I got off active duty.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
RNLA is run by a gentleman by the name of
Mike Feelin. He's done a fantastic job. I don't know
how many of us are members of the RNLA, but
generally speaking, what will happen is the RNLA will say, hey,
we need some lawyers here there whatever now with the

(01:12:27):
presidential stuff, because I've done it so many times, right,
so many.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
Times in the Florida recount, right, well.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
The Florida recount, yep. But you know what we call
election day ops and then you know the potential for
litigation after the election day. That's where really my experience
has come in.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
Yet.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
Yes, I've done the recounts. I've done them on the
state and the federal level. The last recount I did
was for Rick Scott and Governor DeSantis. We were in
Brower County. You might remember the lady she had. She
looked like a skunk. She had black hair and then
this white stripe that went down the middle of her hair.

(01:13:14):
She was she was the what was she was?

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
The theme up with that analogy.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
He was the chair of the Brower County Election Board.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
Yeah, yeah, right right right by the way.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
Yeah, dude, you know we went down there, and it
was the craziest situation. Like when you're so, you know,
there's all these protesters out in the parking lot, right, Well,
they're all quiet all day long until the lights of
the cameras come on and they start beating their stupid drums
and dancing around like making a scene. So there's that

(01:13:54):
whole fiasco going on. But we as attorneys, you know,
we're we have credentials, were fully credentialed. We can go
in there and we can watch the recount. Now, what
I found interesting about that, well, let me let me
back up for a second. So on that ballot, it
was a four page ballot, Okay, it opened up like
a menu or a book, all right, And on the

(01:14:14):
first page of the ballot was all the instructions about
how to vote, okay, and down on the bottom on
the front page was one.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
Ballot.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
One election. I can't remember if it was I don't
remember if it was De Santas who was down there,
or Scott that was down there.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
But now in two thousand, that was Jeb.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
No, no, no, this is no, this was Rick Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
Oh and Rick Scott's election Okay, yeah, yeah, Rick Scott.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
When he became senator, and that Santas was running for
governor against that crackhead remember.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
That got got arrested in in like a crack house
and all that and naked with some dude.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
And so the issue was on the on the front
page of the ballot in Brower County. It was all
instructions except down on the bottom right hand side, and
then you open up the ballot and then it was
all you know, where to vote. Well, your typical dumb,
lazy person didn't look careful. Everyone was like, wait a minute,

(01:15:18):
why did Scott get so many votes in Dessanta's didn't?
Or why did the Santas get so many votes and
Scott didn't. I can't remember which one it was. It's
because they didn't see that that piece down at the bottom.
They opened up the ballot and started on the top
of the inside.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
Yeah, it's called an it's called an undervote.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
The undervote was like it was weird. So you know,
we go down there and you know, we're watching the
ballots get reread or getting scanned, and I noticed that
the election workers are bringing in these toteboxes. Okay, the
ballots are in these tote boxes. And they are are

(01:16:01):
like a plastic box that the top kind of integrates
and seal it. Okay, like locks down together. And then
there's one of those one of there's one of those
snaplocks on top of it. It's not really a lock,
it's like a safety pin. It's like a big safety
pin that it's a clip that keeps it together. Right,
So you know, in order to get into the box,

(01:16:22):
you got to break the clip open. And then the
workers would pull out the ballots and they'd run them
through the machine and a big deal. Right. So me
and my friend were out in the parking lot watching
these idiot protesters and I'm just kind of kicking around
in the parking lot and I look down on the
ground and I'm like, the hell, what the hell is
this out here? Those pins? Those pins were all over

(01:16:47):
the parking lot.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
Holy shit. So they've been popping them.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
They popped them out of the parking lot. So we
started started asking around and I'm like, so, so what
happens when these ballots leave leave the premoted place? I kids,
you not. They're putting those boxes and then they are
given to like, you know, Atlas company.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
I'm like, what, like.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
County election officials are not moving. No, no, oh no, no,
we hired a moving company. O shit, due, Like wait
a minute, they're just going into the back of a
truck a movie. Nobody's there's no chain of custody here.
And I've got all these busted out clips all over
the parking lot here, like what in the hell's going on?

(01:17:40):
Like there was no security on these ballots. Well, as
it turns out, when we did the recount, and again
I can't remember if it was I can't remember who
had the under the under ballot, but whoever it was,
during the recount, we picked up three hundred votes for
either Scott or Desanti's three hundred votes on the recount.
And that woman there's a deadline when you do a recount, Sarasota. No,

(01:18:05):
what's the capital of Florida, not Sa Tallahassee. Tallahassee says, Okay,
do your recount. That recount, Tallly must be to us
no later than you know, one o'clock on Tuesday afternoon,
whatever it is. Right, So, as it turns out, in
Brower County, we picked up three hundred votes in Brower

(01:18:27):
County for the Republican, whether it was the Santa's or Scott,
I can't remember.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
What it was.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
And we're like, okay, certify the vote, and she's like, oh,
I'm a little busy, right, yeah, she ran out the clock.
So they they requested the recount. Okay, it wasn't to us.
They requested the recount. And then when the vote turned

(01:18:55):
the other way towards the Republicans, yeah they didn't. They
didn't certify, so.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
You know that's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
Yeah we did. So this was Remember this is not
hanging chad stuff. This is you know, this is fill
in the little oval scanners. I have I have photographs
of the scanning machines on my picture. So you walk
in and it's a warehouse and they've got like plastic
chairs and tables set up where they're having these so

(01:19:26):
called hearings because you know, we had the right to
challenge any ballot that we wanted to and if you
challenge something, then you know, they'd bring it out in
front of the whole group. And it was like this
open air thing. But in the in the big warehouse,
they had this huge glass wall set up and you
would stand there by the glass wall and watch the
ballots be you know, the election workers, you know, taking

(01:19:49):
the ballots out and sending them through the machine, scanning
them through the machine. So really nothing to see there.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
But that's crazy blowing up David, I say a couple
of tweets there. He is uncovering more and more. Look
at that. Fifty one hundred and eighty six billion dollar errors.
Look at that and where they go. Fifty one billion
to Medicare, fifty billion to Medicaid, forty three billion to

(01:20:18):
federal pandemic unemployment assistance, twenty one billion, almost twenty two
billion earned income tax credit. These are errors, you know, paycheck,
the PPP loan forgiveness eighteen billion. Yeah, I mean, dude,
it is mad, Dude, it is crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
Hey, Ivan, can you do a commercial break real quick?

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
Yeah? Yeah, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead and run out.
We're well, well we'll yeah, we'll stay on it. Yeah, yeah,
we'll stay on go. He's got to take a piss.
He's got to take a piss, you know, bathroom breaks, man,
you got to you got to do one of those
redneck things that where you connected to like a bottle
with a hose or something. But hey, mister producer, why
don't you open up Twitter and let's see what's going

(01:21:01):
on on Twitter, man, because it is it's crazy out there.
The amount of stuff that's happening, It is fascinating. Just
open the whole thing. Oh yeah, we saw that. Yeah,
I mean that's crazy. Look at that. So they were
pushing USA IDE was pushing programs on foreign countries to pass,

(01:21:21):
for them to pass laws and regulations to influence to
you know, to censor content on social media. Look at that.
Developing norms and standards. This is part of this actual language,
you know, legal regulatory framework and better social media content
moderation is necessary for healthy information ecosystem. I mean, it

(01:21:43):
is crazy. These guys have no control. They have absolutely
no parameters. And we see it every day. And I
think the job that Elon Musk and his team is doing.
And we saw yesterday the media trying to docs, you know,
the kids that are helping in DOGE. They named five
kids that were like, I don't know, they're in their

(01:22:05):
early to mid twenties, super smart, but they docked them,
put their names out, put their faces out, you know,
to try and intimidate these kids to I guess quit,
I don't know. I mean, it's the media is discussing,
you know, is absolutely fucking dude. They're vile. They are
vile fucking people. You know, what are the laws on

(01:22:27):
that man, you know, on outing and doxing people? I
mean what I mean the media who yesterday blasted the
five kids that are working in doge you know, their
names and their faces and you know, all all that
crap to try and scare these fucking kids. That one
of them is as young as nineteen. The order one
I think is like twenty five or something, and you

(01:22:49):
got the other the others that are in between, like
you know, low to mid thirties, twenties. But they put
them out there, you know what, to fuck with them,
to try and intimidate them. I mean, dude, seriously.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
Well so it takes me back to the Atlanta bomber situation,
right do you remember that?

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
Yeah, yeah, and the media jumped on I can't even remember.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
Yeah the guy the guy here, the security guy.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
Yeah yeah, or or the young man who you know
went to the went to the right was it the
Right to Life march?

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
Yeah? The kid kid? Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
You know, when you when you when the media, you know,
publishes false information about an individual, like the the privacy
laws are different between a guy like me who's a
private individual, and somebody like you know, some celebrity. They

(01:23:45):
don't enjoy the level of privacy that somebody like me
or you or your son.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
Oh I don't know, man, We got to take those offline.
But you remember there were a lot of stories pushed
out there about me that I took forty million dollars
from the government of Venezuela and Bezoldom and had a
fake payroll with three hundred and fifty employees of friends
and family, and and stall twenty million dollars from the
Republican Party and shit like that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
I mean, there's live wood slander laws that are that
are out there that protect people like That's why, like,
you can say anything about Trump and he there's really
nothing that he can do about it. I mean, you
can call him, you know, anything, or any any anyone

(01:24:32):
who's in the public realm, as long as it's not
done with malice.

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
You know, well, it's all done with malice.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
Well yeah, but that the law. The privacy laws different
are different for public figures. Okay, So these young people
who are working for does if they are, if they are,
if their privacy is exposed. You know, there's there's they have.
They may they may have a cause of action against

(01:25:04):
the media, even.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
If they're part of this Doge agency, and I guess
they may.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
They've got a right to privacy. They do, Yeah, of
course they do. Now And if they say, if the
media says anything false about them, then they've got, you know,
a libel or slander case. The difference between livel and slander.
Slander is the spoken word.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
Amazing. Hey, Rod, it's always a pleasure. Brother. You're an encyclopedia,
a professor of law in a stud We still never
get to the decoys. We gotta we gotta touch that
next time, because you have a collection of that stuff.
They would be it would be a lot of fun.
I don't know where he went. I guess he I
guess this out there he is, he's back. He's back,

(01:25:51):
Rod Woods said, is like water and oil when it
comes to technology. Guys, there he goes again. But anyways, man,
we always have a good time with Rod. He he
shares so many stories legal stuff. Look, if you're running
for office, you're doing a lot of there he goes, there,
he goes, look at those decoys. Uh, fascinating story. I

(01:26:12):
know you written you wrote a book about him too, right,
I did.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
Yeah, this is a this is a this is a
bird that was hunting on over during the Civil War
on Chesapeake Bay.

Speaker 1 (01:26:21):
Are you be serious? Oh yeah, yeah, this is old.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
This is eighteen fifteen.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
Wow. Well let's do that next time. Let's let's let's
go through that. Make sure you got some cool stuff
to show us. I know you, I know you set
up a podcast studio in your new uh, in your
new firm's office. Right. When is that going to go live?

Speaker 2 (01:26:43):
Uh? I said, man, I'm sorry, my text keeps going off.
I hope certainly very soon.

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
So people will be able to follow you on all
the all the platforms and when they want to hear law. Right,
what's that? What's that podcast going to be about? Well?

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
You know, so it's interesting. I wanted to call it
the Star Chamber. Okay, And if you know anything, there
was a movie called The Star Chamber back in the eighties.
It's a it's pretty interesting. It was about a judge
who has to let go like some child rapist on
a technicality, and he gets all upset about it and
he goes to his chief judge. He's like, I had

(01:27:19):
to let this guy go, you know, he was a
piece of shit. And he goes, well, it's about time
I introduced you to the Star Chamber. And the Star
Chamber was a bunch of judges who would sit around
and talk about, you know, these despicable cases that they
had to let these people go on technicalities, and then
they would decide whether or not the person was actually
guilty or not, and they always found him guilty, and

(01:27:40):
then they would hire a hitman go out and execute him.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
Holy shit.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
So that's what it's. That's what the Star Chamber was.
So I was like, okay, I'm gonna call this the
star Chamber. I think that's a pretty cool name, chamber
being what a judge sits, and they sit in their chamber, right,
you know. And then I didn't do anything on it,
and somebody somebody else started podcast called the Star Chambers.

Speaker 1 (01:28:03):
Oh wow, that's amazing. All right, rod Well, I appreciate you, brother.
We'll uh well, we'll connect, uh and we got to
start scheduling something, you know, on an ongoing basis, you know,
so we can have these legal conversations. There's so much happening,
especially now and everything the president's doing there's gonna be
a lot of contention and and and a lot of

(01:28:24):
activists that are going to try and slow it down,
contest it. You know, we already saw one one judge
do what it did.

Speaker 5 (01:28:31):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
So we're gonna need a good lawyer to come and
explain to us, not lawyers, what that all means, because
we all hear different things, uh from a lot of
people that frankly aren't lawyers, you know, and just have opinions.
I mean, you know, look, uh, Sydney, I guess is
a lawyer. Uh, but you know she's got I guess
her opinions as well. But we love hearing from you, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
Whuld she when she made that statement? Was she she
was talking about now, the judge can't do that, right,
She wasn't talking about now the present and it can't.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
So she was saying the judge can't do that because
potus has overall absolute authority over the executive branch. But
judge can do anything it fucking wants. Right, So it
is what it is. But we'll talk about him.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
System.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
That's what that's the whole thing is. You know, it
checked the executive and check.

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
Convers That's right, That's right. All right, brother, we got
to run. It's been a pleasure, Roddy. Until next time. Bro,
all right, take care a hey, guys, I hope everybody
enjoyed that. Rod witztad Is is a friend, but he's
also a kick ass lawyer. As you heard, he's been
doing law since since the navy he was a navy

(01:29:42):
jag and then afterwards in politics and obviously in private practice.
But his political experience is fascinating. So if you're running
for office, you might want to get a hold of them,
like you said, he is. He's never charged any of
these people, but they're you know, obviously very high profile.
Rate is like presidential races, senatorial races, governatoral races. But

(01:30:04):
if you're looking for a good you know, political lawyer,
Roger guy. Anyways, I hope everybody enjoyed the show, had
a good time, learned something, and we'll see you guys tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
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