October 22, 2024 • 30 mins
Kyle Goodknight introduces Jeanelle Classen, who shares her personal experience with burnout and her journey from veterinary medicine to nursing. They discuss the significance of hospital experience and the challenges of seeking help in the medical field. Jeanelle talks about her entrepreneurial journey, emphasizing the creation of support systems and the concept of being "healthily selfish" in mental health training. The conversation delves into her transition from nurse to business owner, the challenges of monetization, and her course and book aimed at enhancing self-awareness in healthcare. The episode concludes with insights on normalizing mental health conversations and Jeanelle's personal experiences with burnout.
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So no surprises there, really, that I burntout, especially considering that we've got some
major gaps in our training, which I'lldefinitely get, touch on later.
Welcome back to the Ignition Path podcast.
I'm your host, Kyle Goodnight, and I can't waitto show you and tell you all about my my guest
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today, Janelle Clausen, who is from Australia.
So it's late for her, early for me.
We're doing everything on the 12 hour back andforth.
So it's either 5 at night for me and 5 in themorning for her or what have you.
So it's fun to have her on.
She is a nurse down under, if you will, and,you know, I'd like to have her come on tell you
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So, Janelle, welcome to Ignition Path podcast.
How are you today?
Hello.
Hello.
Thank you for having me.
And I am I am ready for bed soon, but I amexcited to be here.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
And that love that love on her chest isn't agrowth.
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It it's a it's a human.
So
Really human.
Human.
A little baby human.
We'll
probably be making some noise as we go along,but there we go.
You know, us in the medical field, we keep thatreal.
So, you know, as you as you know from our firstconversation, you know, we're both in the
medical field.
We have a common goal to to help our, help our,you know, our colleagues and and anybody in our
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field to to help cope with all the stuff thatwe see that and do and and the time away from
family and all that stuff.
So Yeah.
That's actually why I had you on the ignitionpath because you've kinda done what I've done
on the nursing side of thing.
I did it on the EMS first responder side ofthings.
I've created a course that, you know, that willhelp, you know, understand, help the new
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paramedic, the new firefighter, the new policeofficer, how to how to what they're gonna be
dealing with throughout their career.
You're you're pretty young in your career, fromwhat I remember.
You're only been a nurse for a few years, acouple years.
Right?
About 4 or 5 years now.
Yeah.
So so, yeah, tell us your story.
Tell us about how you came about with, youknow, just even start from before you were a
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nurse in in the nursing.
Was it something you started right after highschool or or through college or what have you?
So I, growing up, I wanted to be acardiothoracic surgeon.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Very, very quickly changed my mind when Irealized you have to study for 18 years.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, just going, like, I would love afamily one day and a life.
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So, I quickly moved on from that and, went downthe I was always kind of medically interested,
went down the veterinary pathway, and I was,like, actually, I want my patients to talk back
to me.
Okay.
And then I was like, oh, maybe I should be adoctor.
And I was like, nah, again, that's too muchstudy, and I want to actually be in the nitty
gritty of my patients.
And then I was like, oh, how aboutparamedicine?
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Every paramedic that I talked to, they said gointo nursing first so that you know what
happens to the patient when they get droppedoff at the hospital.
I'm like, sure.
Right.
I'll do that.
Then I fell in love with nursing and stayed init.
So that's kind of what happened there.
Well, that's weird that that that's weird thatyour paramedic for people said to go into
nursing first because typically, paraparamedicine is a step lower in pay.
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So it's usually like, okay.
I don't wanna be a nurse first and then stepdown to paramedic even though we shouldn't be a
pair shouldn't be lower in pay.
But, you know, we have to be in our career fora long time to to start equaling what nurses
make.
But but, yeah, either way, you know, it's it isa good that's a you know, I was a respiratory
therapist before I became a paramedic.
And knowing that side of things on the hospitalside, level 1 trauma center, ICU, you know,
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critical care made a huge difference in how Icare for my patients and the training that I do
for my patients.
You know?
When I first came on the scene, they were stillinnovating through the nose, and I'm like, no.
I don't like that because it just shoves allthat goo back into your lungs, and we have
pneumonia.
So I was never an advocate for doing it unlessthere was a specific there's a, you know,
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trauma wise why you would still use the nose orwhat have you.
But people used to do it in our career insteadof CPAP because CPAP wasn't around.
And it just yeah.
I mean, I would just see patients that wouldcome in with that nasal innovation, and they'd
be in the ICU for 4 weeks, you know, allbecause of pneumonia.
And it's like, you just shoved everythingthat's in here that's nasty and dirty right
down into the best growing facility in theworld in your lungs.
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And and so I was always an advocate of nonnasalinnovation, and and CPAP came onto the scene
right about when I became a paramedic.
And we started I mean, it's been a little bitof a paradigm shift.
But but knowing that backside of it, I dothings differently on the front end of with my
patients inside the you know, inside theirhouse, inside my truck, you know, that that I'm
glad I have that background.
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So, if you ever do wanna become a paramedic,you know, what, flight nurse or whatever,
because a lot of times, flight nurses, at leasthere in the states, they want the flight nurses
to be also paramedics as well even thoughthey're they're nurses.
But but, yeah, you never you never know if youcome back to the to the low ground if you want.
I don't know how the pay compares, inAustralia.
Oh, in Australia?
Yeah.
I'm not sure.
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I mean, you can get some yeah.
You can get some jobs that are paramedic, like,on a helicopter stuff where you're making as
much as an, you know, a nurse in a hospital.
But, you know, yeah, there's it's it allfluctuates.
You know what I mean?
So but, so yeah.
So when you when you got into nursing, so yougot out of nursing, she went to school, did
nursing, got out of nursing.
Tell us a story about, share with me and andthe and the audience here about, you know, your
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1st year of nursing because I think that'swhere the pivotal moment of what you're doing
now really took off.
Oh, yeah.
Absolutely.
So I burnt out within 6 months of graduating.
So I graduated at the end of 2019.
We all know that is leading into the year ofdeath.
So
March 13, 2020, at least here in the state.
No no surprises there, really, that I burntout, especially considering that we've got some
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major gaps in our training, which I'lldefinitely get, touch on later.
But, essentially, I was 6 months in.
I was starting to see some deterioration and,like, breakdown in my personal relationships.
I was snapping at my family, friends, cancelingsocial events, just not wanting to be anywhere
but my bed.
I was, starting to emotionally eat and myanxiety, depression was rising.
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I was, you know, just overwhelmed by thetiniest thing at work.
I just not sleeping like I can keep going.
You know, it was just everything, every aspectof my health, my well-being, mental, physical,
emotional was just, it was on the downwardspiral.
And I'm grateful that I picked it up, but Istill didn't know what to do about it.
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So I approached my clinical nurse educator andI asked, so I'm seeing my colleagues who've
been in this industry for 5 plus years, andthey're experiencing the same stuff that I am,
except they're saying that it hasn't changed.
Is there anything I can do to prevent this?
And she turns around and says, get used to it.
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It's not going to change.
You know, just suck it up.
Like school nurse.
Yeah.
Suck it up.
Yeah.
Suck it up.
Right?
Yeah.
It's like, okay.
Thanks.
Yeah.
I know.
That wasn't helpful at all.
Thank you.
Thank you so much
for that input.
I am so glad I asked you.
Well, it's so hard for it's so hard for ourindustry, especially the first responders, you
know, and nurses too.
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They wanna be they wanna be the people thatpeople rely on.
And you ask for help, and they feel it's thatinternal, you know, stupid voice inside your
head or that fear inside of you that makes yousay, I shouldn't be asking for help.
I should that fear inside of you that makes yousay, I shouldn't be asking for help.
I should be able to do this.
And and for you to speak up in such a youngage, because I'm sure you were, what, in your
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early twenties, so you're not even fullydeveloped yet up here.
No.
You know what I mean?
I mean I mean, you're a female, so you'realready more advanced than I ever was at 23 or
whatever, you know, what it was.
But but, you know, but still, you're just, youknow, people in general, humans are not really
fully equipped for what they have to deal withwhen they're in their early twenties, you know,
and then they get thrown into this.
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And then you go then you do decide to speak up,and you go to a mentor, and they tell you to go
pound sand.
I'm like, man, if my mentor when I had mycrash, if my mentor told me to go pound sand, I
probably wouldn't be here right now.
I'm the spiral to the point of, you know, ofbad things.
And, you know, I wasn't at the time, but Icouldn't have imagined if someone would have
told me, no.
Suck it up.
This is this is what you signed up for, buddy.
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You know, if that's what if that's what cameabout, I mean, that's what we'd have to change.
That's what you and I are both trying tochange.
And and, you know, I do have another podcastcalled the Elevate podcast, and it is
specifically for first responder mental health,health care, mental health.
And there's a little bit of a crossover here,and we're gonna have you on the on the Elevate
podcast too.
But, ultimately, I wanted to bring you on thispodcast first because you kinda did what I did.
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You came through nursing, had a problem, gotgot stymied and said, no.
That is not the answer.
There's a better answer out there.
Yes.
So tell me tell me what happened when after shetold you that, you know, tell me about making
the decision to do what you do and and put thatentrepreneurial cap on and then decide to make
something of it for, not only for your fellow,you know, health care workers, but for, you
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know, possibly, you know, sustaining yourselfthroughout the next, you know, 20 years in your
career.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
After that wonderful conversation, I, I offeredto to I offered to create a quality
I hope she's watching this.
I think she's retired now.
But, you know, anyways, you know, after I hadthe conversation with her, I offered to take
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action and do something about it.
Right?
I was like, how about we do an internal, youknow, quality improvement project?
We identify what are what are our triggers andhow can we improve it and put into yourself
something into place.
And she said, yeah, you're only new in theindustry.
Just leave it be.
Now you and I have had a good couple of chatsnow, and if you as the more you get to know me,
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the more you'll realize I'm not just a let itgo or a.
I'm a do or a.
A let how do we even spell that let it go or a?
I can't wait for the transcript to come back onthat.
Not even gonna try.
A letter go or Wait.
There's a copywriter to tell me not allowed touse
any That's right.
That's right.
Yeah.
Exactly.
You know, and, so I didn't let it lie.
That's just not in my nature.
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I'm just not gonna let this happen to me.
I'm, you know, no.
I'm not about being helpless.
Like, I wasn't going to let that helplessfeeling become my identity of like, I'm just
letting it happen to me.
So that really, that conversation and then myexperience of seeing other nurses still
struggling with the same stuff many years intotheir career, I was just like, no, that's not
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happening.
I just, by the way, I just didn't want to be abetter nurse.
That was my main motive to begin with.
I didn't want to become a bitter nurse.
I didn't want to, fall out of love withsomething I had fallen in love with.
And that's something that I was genuinelyenjoying when it when the going was good, you
know?
Right.
And so that led me on a path of discovery.
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I was I went on on a discovery discoverypathway of coaching, training, books, or you
name it.
Like if it was a resource about improving myexperience with burnout and with shift work and
managing a healthy lifestyle in and out ofwork, I was onto it.
But But what I found was this major, major gapin the knowledge and the support that was
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tailored to the shift working person.
And even more specific to that, nurses.
You know, it's always like super generic ofmake sure you meal prep or make sure you do
that.
And it's like, yeah, okay, meal prep is cool,but how?
And it's like, that's one simple example.
Other things like how to unwind from a shift,how to deal with a patient passing away, how to
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process the, the trauma that you've experiencedfrom either an intense, met call or, you know,
a patient or a family member abusing you.
You know, how do you deal with that?
How do you deal with the high stressenvironment?
We don't get taught that in our our training.
It's just like, you know, documentation,documentation, documentation.
And PS, make sure you look after yourself.
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Documentation, documentation, document,document.
You know, it's just there's just no how to
do it.
What is self care?
I'm not supposed to do stuff for myself.
I'm a
No.
Well, perfect.
Like, it's so ingrained in us that we have tojust give, give, give.
And, yeah, it's just about becoming.
And this is something that I I've started to tolabel it is we need to learn how to become
healthily selfish.
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So when I started
Selfish.
Okay.
Healthily selfish.
Yeah.
So that's my made up word again.
My made up word.
No.
I don't I think that's a great tagline.
That's a great tagline.
Absolutely.
And so, you know, I started taking the bits andthe pieces because I found things for CEOs.
I found things for homemakers.
I found things for everything in between,really.
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And, I decided to put together the things thatwas working.
And as I was sharing with my colleagues, again,the experienced ones, they were like, Hey, this
is super simple and it's actually making adifference.
Like, thank you.
And I was like, Yes, you're right.
It is working because it's working for me.
Like, I remember one time we, I was in an ICU,environment and we just lost a patient after a
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horrendous medical situation.
It had been like a whole 24 hour period of justlike medical, CPR, medical, CPR, like she'd go
kind of stable, but not.
And then eventually she passed away.
And I turned to my colleagues and I said,right, so when's our debrief?
Because that was horrific.
And they were like, oh, no, it's the end of theshift.
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We're behind and that's going to happen again.
You know, deal.
And if I didn't have the strategies that I havein place, I don't think I'd be nursing.
Don't think I would be because I was still ayoung nurse.
I think I had been maybe 2, two and a halfyears in at that point.
And if I hadn't had the strategies in place, noway I'd be here as a nurse.
And so, yeah, that's when I decided, right, Ineed to write a book.
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I need to put this the things that I'm doing,it needs to be in front of other people.
So especially the young nurses and even theones who have newness ages but don't know how
to deal with what they have to deal with.
Right.
They need a
dumb thing.
That's my biggest goal is to 20 years from now,it's part of our curriculum.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's my biggest goal.
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I'd I'd I'd like it to be 5 years from now.
I mean, I'd like it to be tomorrow, but, youknow, we have to be a little bit realistic on
on time frame.
But Yeah.
When it comes to so what you developed was thatso you didn't find somebody else's thing or
course and then just copy them.
You kind of, like, you dove into all these,like, different modalities and then and then
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through your, you know, your creativity and andjust who you are, you created your own thing,
wrote a book, and and then turned that bookinto the course that we are gonna talk about
here in a few minutes?
Yeah.
Pretty much.
So I, there are some things that I still givecredit to the original, like, thought, you
know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
But Yeah.
I definitely definitely like the collation ofthings together.
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It was it was just some And
the fact and the pattern, I know that's a veryI'm in the middle of something right now where,
you know, he's like, listen, just follow thethe structure.
You follow the structure, and you'll come backon the other side in a different way.
So, you know, so that's that's the thing is ishow to take all the shells that have all the
answers and put them in the right line to makesure that things are dealt with in the right
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way.
So you have the knowledge of, you know, like,Ace's score.
Huge thing to know.
Something that all of us should know at thevery beginning of our career, and I didn't find
out about it until, like, almost a year agonow.
Yeah.
I keep on I've been saying 8 months, but thenmonths go by.
So it's been about a year since I learned aboutthe ASIN score, and that was just a huge light
bulb moment for me.
Like, everyone should know what that is, andthen they should know their own faces score So
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because it's very, very, you know, telling ofhow you're gonna deal with stuff later on in
life.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
So so have you always had an entrepreneurialbrain or, like, or or have you or did you sell,
you know, lemonade on the sidewalk?
I mean, or did you mow lawn?
Like, I started mowing lawns and just got intothe thing, like, hey, this is awesome.
I can do stuff.
I can do stuff and make money.
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People pay me to shovel the lawn or to shovelthe lawn.
Ugh.
Not that I haven't shoveled lawn.
I have dogs that don't like to go out in thesnow.
So I have shoveled a lawn before, but not formoney.
I've mowed the lawns in the summer and shoveledthe sidewalks and driveways in the in the
winter when I was a kid.
But when I was an adult, I'm doing them both.
I'm shoveling the lawn for my dogs and mowingthe lawn for my dogs.
It's all about my dogs.
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Yeah.
So tell me how you like, what did you dobefore?
Like, did you always have that entrepreneurial,you know, mindset, or is that just something
that you learned through the process?
Yeah.
No.
I definitely sorry.
We'll just have to readjust here for a second.
Yeah.
So I definitely had a, entrepreneurial mindsetfrom the get go from, like, I swear I was I was
born an entrepreneur.
Okay, cool.
I, I used to.
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So I'm originally from South Africa.
And so I would go I'd bake Russks and makebiltong and I'd be walking down the street
selling that to my neighbors.
Hello, little one.
Better comfortable, apparently.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So sorry about that.
That's alright.
We're real people, everybody.
You know, this is not gonna be cut either.
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This is this is it.
This is this is who you get.
You get me.
You get her.
My dogs may come up here and jump on my backhere in a minute too.
So my kids are my kids are much older thanthat.
If I tried to get my son to sit like that, he'dhe'd squash me.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, this gotta you gotta get it done.
You know?
And, finding finding the happy balance.
Yeah.
So, like, I've been I've been entrepreneurmindset minded from from the get go, I think.
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I've yeah.
I still have memories of drawing up my ideal,like, I was gonna live on a farm and I was
gonna do this and that on you know, like, veryentrepreneurial from the get go.
And so I'm so passionate about it.
It's now just about learning to go from beingjust a nurse and being working in the business
and learning how to work on the business andhow to grow it.
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And that's why I'm seeking seeking the help ofof people who know, who people have gone
before.
Right.
Right.
And that's so important.
You know, we have to we have to realize, youknow, I struggled for a while when I started
creating my course, and and this is probablysomething you can speak on it once I share
this.
But, you know, I felt like I'm like, wait asecond.
You know, I'm creating this.
This is for the greater good of my peep of mypeople, you know, of of my industry.
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You know, why you know, should I be makingmoney at this?
Should I be charging people?
Like, this should be, like, on first of all,this should be common knowledge.
I mean, this should be something we put intoschooling.
But but on the other hand, it's like I I'veI've intellectual property, my time, you know,
my expertise in all my training and mybackground.
You know?
Yes.
People get people get paid to teach people.
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And I'm like, okay.
So I had to wrap my head around that for awhile.
I had to talk to a few mentors.
I had talked to a few strangers that were,like, I was struggling with, you know, charging
for a certain amount for my course and stufflike that.
And in general, like, not just an amount, but aa charging for stuff.
And and it's to the point where I see people,you know, speaking at lectures and, of course,
they're getting paid.
They're not gonna be there unless they'regetting paid at least expenses.
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You know what I mean?
So so it's one of those things where it took mea while to get to the point where what I
developed was beneficial, and it was beneficialto me and my background to charge for it.
So did you struggle with that when you firststarted doing it?
Yes and no.
I think I I because again, because of myentrepreneur mindset, I knew that I wanted to
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eventually in my lifetime, I don't know what,create something that would sustain me outside
of just my job.
But I've definitely struggled along the yearswith what to charge.
And I've even recent in the last few years,like, you know, when the going gets tough,
sometimes I'm like, maybe I should just makefree.
You know, I just need to like, I just wannahelp people and just give it to them.
You know?
But then I'm like, they won't value it as much.
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And I'm like Yeah.
You gotta have a when
they won't get it.
You know?
It's like it's like the constant internalbattle.
Yeah.
They will do it.
So We'll finish it.
Yeah.
If they got don't have skin in the game.
You know?
And and that does lead to the fact that, youknow, we do have you know, it's the background.
You know?
The years I've been in the health care fieldalmost 30 years, that's worth something.
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My knowledge is worth something.
And if if they want it if they basically ifsomeone I'm building a bridge that I can
actually accelerate instead of 30 years orwell, I hit my my wall at 20 years in.
Yeah.
You know?
And so learning learning what to do in the inin crisis at year 20 or for you, you're month
6, you know, because of because of the timeframe that you came in.
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I mean, so many people left the industry whenduring that time frame.
But, you know, that accelerated everything by a100x, you know, so COVID made everybody burn
out, you know, I mean, just like overnight.
And 100%.
Unfortunately, you know, hopefully, we're onthe backside of that and backside of it
mentally and and learn from it as well.
But what we've learned from it can benefit, andthe things that we did to stay in the industry
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could benefit others.
And there is value in that.
So that's that's my philosophy.
It was hard to come by that philosophy and getto that point.
I did have to talk to a lot of people that werealready doing this kind of thing, you know, you
know, helping others with their knowledge andbeing in the industry.
But it's it's so rewarding.
Not only do you know that you're providing foryourself and your family, but you're also
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providing a a a good valuable service that'saccelerating the time frame of learning these
things instead of having the the the thedownfalls.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Yep.
It's definitely been a learning curve, and it'snow only just maybe in the last year that I've
started to be more comfortable with withcharging what I feel and know I'm worth rather
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than
Right.
Kind of like, you know, shiny things ingeneral.
Maybe I should just reduce the amount.
Maybe I should increase it.
Maybe I should, you know, just, like,constantly, like, maybe I should try this, try
to do that strategy.
And finally, in the last year, I've started tokind of slow down a little bit and go, it's a
good product.
It just needs to get in front of the rightpeople.
Like, let's Right.
You know, it's just just stay the course.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
Pretty much exactly what you said.
Just follow the system.
Exactly.
And unfortunately, in our industry, my industryand your industry, not everybody's raising
their hand for help.
So you have to kinda get strategic and and getthe information out there to let people know
that you have something to help.
So when they do face that shift and they'relike, oh my god.
How am I supposed to deal with this?
Oh, wait a second.
I I heard something on a podcast that someone'ssomeone's made a bridge.
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Someone's built a bridge to help me get therefaster.
Let me see what it's all about.
So talk to me about you know, tell us all aboutyour course and and how people find you and it
and all that stuff and and what it you know,whatever the basic, you know, you don't I can
give away all your secrets or they would needto contact you because I don't know if there's
coaching involved or if it's just evergreen.
Like, tell me more about your course
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and and what it does.
Absolutely.
So the course is based on the principles in mybook.
So the book's called Nursing the Nurse, theUltimate 6 Step Guide to Building Nurse Burnout
and, you know, take out nurse and just insertyour industry.
It's it's generic, but it's specific, if youknow what I mean.
So it's generic in that every industry needsit, but I've written it for the nurse because
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that's who, you know, I'm I'm talking to mewhen I first started.
And, you know, so the course just builds onthat and takes it to the next level where we've
got you've got 8 8 weeks of access to it, andit's essentially just a walk through and then
an in-depth conversation and community aroundthat.
I know exactly like what you just said before.
Many nurses or many health care professionalsaren't raising their hands to get the help.
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Right.
And I
think it's because it's like young people.
Oh, yeah.
Right?
We don't wanna
Raise your hands before you even know you havea problem.
Trust me.
Is it it's like it's like I was talking withsomeone earlier today, because I'm starting up
my own podcast, as you know, and she was justlike she was saying that, you know, it's just
it's almost like people are expecting to burnout.
They they just they just assume it's part ofthe job, and it's it doesn't have to be.
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And so that's exactly what we're trying toprevent in that, in Nursing the Nurse, the
ultimate walkthrough is what the course iscalled.
So, yeah, we've got weekly coaching there.
We just come together as a bunch of nurses, andI call it, like, our little huddle where we
just connect in with each other, and you cankind of, you can see what the person in week 6
versus the person in week 1 is going through,and and just kind of share ideas and and just
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build on on the the basic principles, the basicbut vital principles that we talk about in in
the course.
So, yeah, I mean, we've also got access into mymy membership, which is called Nursing in the
Nurse, the holistic huddle, where I'vecollaborated with a physiotherapist, a
nutritionist, and a mindset coach where wecreate tailored support.
It's almost like a gym membership in yourpocket where where nurses can just get that
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access and get that expert advice and supportto improve their health and well-being.
So, yeah, it's it's just it's such an awesomeresource, and it's been so, so useful for those
who've used it.
It's now just a matter of getting it in frontof people so we can start making a difference
on a larger scale.
And like you said, get it into our trainingfrom the
get Education.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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Yep.
Exactly.
Because I think that's where it should startand not that's where that's ultimately where it
needs to be.
And then we still need to, you know, have theseopen conversations in in my area.
They use a word stigma, right, in in this themental health stigma.
And now we've almost got a stigma for the wordstigma.
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You know?
So and so I actually wanna change it and say,let's just normalize Let's just normalize
mental health conversation in this industry.
Just normalize it.
Like, it's just normal to talk about it.
Like, this isn't a big deal.
Like, no, you're a tough person if you can facethe con you know, face the truth about the way
you feel about stuff.
Like, it's okay to be in touch with yourfeelings a little bit.
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You'd you need to be tough in the moment.
Absolutely.
And that's part of the training, but they don'ttrain you for the backside of it on the
aftermath.
And that's where where things need to change.
And train we can still train the old dog.
Right?
The old dog can learn new tricks, and I'drather the old dog learn new tricks before the
old dog is facing, you know, facing down abarrel, you know, because unfortunately, in our
industry, that's where it's headed.
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Yeah.
A 100%.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that's where it's unfortunately, that's,you know, the numbers are changing.
They're going down, but it's because we'retrying to normalize the conversation, and we're
being people like you and me are out thereputting our putting our problems that we've had
out on the line, not letting anybody tell usthat we're weak or anything like that.
You know, I've never been stronger in my lifeexcept for the day that I raised my hand for
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help.
I know for a fact I was the strongest personthat day because if I wasn't, my family
wouldn't have me right now.
Yeah.
And I was strong for me, my family, mycoworkers, my my community.
I was strong because I raised my hand.
Yeah.
And I know you have that you share that samefeeling because we've our conversations we've
had.
So Yeah.
Well, once again, now tell everybody where tofind your stuff, how to get a hold of you.
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I'll put everything, of course, in the shownotes, but but go ahead and just do it verbally
in case somebody doesn't have you know, theydon't wanna click on links.
They wanna write things down.
For sure.
For sure.
So, you know, everything is accessible throughmy website, www.nursingthenurse.com.
And, yeah, basically, you will find there freethere's a free fantastic free training that
goes on about the 3 biggest myths that nursesand healthcare workers believe about the
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industry.
That's one specific one that stands out isthinking that it's gonna get better with time.
It's not.
You know, just because you've got moreexperience, so to speak, doesn't mean you know
how to know how to look after yourself.
Like we said earlier, self awareness leads toself care.
And, you know, resilience is a choice.
I want to add that just at the end isresilience is a choice.
And choosing resilience every day doesn't meanit's going to be easier.
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It just means you got to choose it every day.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Just if you if you don't know where to look forhelp or if you don't know what to do, look for
help and look for someone who's done it beforeso that you don't struggle for, in your case,
20 years or and, you know And that's
the weirdest thing.
I didn't struggle at all until, like, the last,like, 30 days of that time.
You know?
I mean, I may have had a couple of dips, but Iwas never I was never like I was that day, you
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know, and or that month, you know, that Ialmost I almost went a full 30 days to put me
into PTSD, but I major things happened in thesame 30 day period that allowed me to have that
crisis and say, wait a minute.
I need help.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And
that's the thing, like you said, you just don'tknow when it's gonna happen.
Right.
So you gotta have your pocket.
Well, in in in the the best analogy that I'veever heard anybody say, I can't remember who I
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heard it from, but everybody's cup oreverybody's pool, one drop at a time will fill
up eventually and overflow.
And it doesn't matter, you know, whatever yoursize of cup or vessel is, the things that
happen to us mentally and and and struggles andemotionally, those are drops.
You know?
Sometimes it's, you know, like, my incident waskind of a big pour.
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It wasn't really a drop.
It was like a, but I I had drops earlier.
You know?
I had all these drops earlier that I didn't gethelp for that I probably should have talked
about or or or had the debriefing on, but neverdid.
And then when the big one came, it was thisgush, and it was like, oh, nope.
I'm overflowing.
You know?
So everybody has that that vessel that theproblems and the things that we see and the
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things that we deal with.
But we're not just talking about what we see orthe deaths or stuff like that.
We're also talking about time away from ourfamily, our financial health.
We're talking about, you know, our not beingable to do the fun stuff we used to do.
Is it you know, we come home and we'reexhausted, and we can't even, like, we can't
even watch our favorite shows because Yep.
We're just so done.
We're so spent, you know, because it's beensuch a hard day.
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Yeah.
Sleep, you know, deprivation, all that stuff.
That's all drops.
All of that stuff are drops.
It's not about just what we see.
And people need to understand that that it'snot about everything that we see in the
industry.
It's the whole life.
You know?
Everybody in the world has the same problems,but then we have all these others from our
industry that adds onto it.
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So it's this, you know, it's this stair step.
You know?
So alright.
Well, thank you so much, Danelle, for comingon.
I the Ignition Path podcast and talking aboutyour path to to get your course to people for
help.
Don't hesitate to reach out to her.
Reach out to me.
Her podcast is coming soon.
We're in we're talking about naming it now, sowe don't know what the name it is of it is yet.
I'll probably be helping her with her podcast.
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So that's the goal at least.
And and, don't hesitate to send her a message.
Send me a message.
Like, share, subscribe.
And, if you've heard something during thisconversation where somebody sticks out in your
head and you need to share the podcast withthem, hit that share button on your phone and
send it right over to them.
Janelle, anything else before we head out?
No.
That's everything.
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Thank you so much.
It's been awesome.
Alright.
Alright.
Get some sleep, girl.
I was late, people.
Thank you.
Alright.
Take care.
Bye, everybody.
Bye.
Thank you for listening to Ignition Path,fueling the entrepreneurial fire.
So no surprises there, really, that I burntout, especially considering that we've got some
major gaps in our training, which I'lldefinitely get, touch on later.
Welcome back to the Ignition Path podcast.
I'm your host, Kyle Goodnight, and I can't waitto show you and tell you all about my my guest
(00:22):
today, Janelle Clausen, who is from Australia.
So it's late for her, early for me.
We're doing everything on the 12 hour back andforth.
So it's either 5 at night for me and 5 in themorning for her or what have you.
So it's fun to have her on.
She is a nurse down under, if you will, and,you know, I'd like to have her come on tell you
(00:42):
her story.
But before that, don't forget to like,subscribe, share.
If you hear something in this message as wetalk today, don't hesitate to share this out
with those people that you feel may need it.
So, Janelle, welcome to Ignition Path podcast.
How are you today?
Hello.
Hello.
Thank you for having me.
And I am I am ready for bed soon, but I amexcited to be here.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
And that love that love on her chest isn't agrowth.
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It it's a it's a human.
So
Really human.
Human.
A little baby human.
We'll
probably be making some noise as we go along,but there we go.
You know, us in the medical field, we keep thatreal.
So, you know, as you as you know from our firstconversation, you know, we're both in the
medical field.
We have a common goal to to help our, help our,you know, our colleagues and and anybody in our
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field to to help cope with all the stuff thatwe see that and do and and the time away from
family and all that stuff.
So Yeah.
That's actually why I had you on the ignitionpath because you've kinda done what I've done
on the nursing side of thing.
I did it on the EMS first responder side ofthings.
I've created a course that, you know, that willhelp, you know, understand, help the new
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paramedic, the new firefighter, the new policeofficer, how to how to what they're gonna be
dealing with throughout their career.
You're you're pretty young in your career, fromwhat I remember.
You're only been a nurse for a few years, acouple years.
Right?
About 4 or 5 years now.
Yeah.
So so, yeah, tell us your story.
Tell us about how you came about with, youknow, just even start from before you were a
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nurse in in the nursing.
Was it something you started right after highschool or or through college or what have you?
So I, growing up, I wanted to be acardiothoracic surgeon.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Very, very quickly changed my mind when Irealized you have to study for 18 years.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, just going, like, I would love afamily one day and a life.
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So, I quickly moved on from that and, went downthe I was always kind of medically interested,
went down the veterinary pathway, and I was,like, actually, I want my patients to talk back
to me.
Okay.
And then I was like, oh, maybe I should be adoctor.
And I was like, nah, again, that's too muchstudy, and I want to actually be in the nitty
gritty of my patients.
And then I was like, oh, how aboutparamedicine?
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Every paramedic that I talked to, they said gointo nursing first so that you know what
happens to the patient when they get droppedoff at the hospital.
I'm like, sure.
Right.
I'll do that.
Then I fell in love with nursing and stayed init.
So that's kind of what happened there.
Well, that's weird that that that's weird thatyour paramedic for people said to go into
nursing first because typically, paraparamedicine is a step lower in pay.
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So it's usually like, okay.
I don't wanna be a nurse first and then stepdown to paramedic even though we shouldn't be a
pair shouldn't be lower in pay.
But, you know, we have to be in our career fora long time to to start equaling what nurses
make.
But but, yeah, either way, you know, it's it isa good that's a you know, I was a respiratory
therapist before I became a paramedic.
And knowing that side of things on the hospitalside, level 1 trauma center, ICU, you know,
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critical care made a huge difference in how Icare for my patients and the training that I do
for my patients.
You know?
When I first came on the scene, they were stillinnovating through the nose, and I'm like, no.
I don't like that because it just shoves allthat goo back into your lungs, and we have
pneumonia.
So I was never an advocate for doing it unlessthere was a specific there's a, you know,
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trauma wise why you would still use the nose orwhat have you.
But people used to do it in our career insteadof CPAP because CPAP wasn't around.
And it just yeah.
I mean, I would just see patients that wouldcome in with that nasal innovation, and they'd
be in the ICU for 4 weeks, you know, allbecause of pneumonia.
And it's like, you just shoved everythingthat's in here that's nasty and dirty right
down into the best growing facility in theworld in your lungs.
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And and so I was always an advocate of nonnasalinnovation, and and CPAP came onto the scene
right about when I became a paramedic.
And we started I mean, it's been a little bitof a paradigm shift.
But but knowing that backside of it, I dothings differently on the front end of with my
patients inside the you know, inside theirhouse, inside my truck, you know, that that I'm
glad I have that background.
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So, if you ever do wanna become a paramedic,you know, what, flight nurse or whatever,
because a lot of times, flight nurses, at leasthere in the states, they want the flight nurses
to be also paramedics as well even thoughthey're they're nurses.
But but, yeah, you never you never know if youcome back to the to the low ground if you want.
I don't know how the pay compares, inAustralia.
Oh, in Australia?
Yeah.
I'm not sure.
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I mean, you can get some yeah.
You can get some jobs that are paramedic, like,on a helicopter stuff where you're making as
much as an, you know, a nurse in a hospital.
But, you know, yeah, there's it's it allfluctuates.
You know what I mean?
So but, so yeah.
So when you when you got into nursing, so yougot out of nursing, she went to school, did
nursing, got out of nursing.
Tell us a story about, share with me and andthe and the audience here about, you know, your
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1st year of nursing because I think that'swhere the pivotal moment of what you're doing
now really took off.
Oh, yeah.
Absolutely.
So I burnt out within 6 months of graduating.
So I graduated at the end of 2019.
We all know that is leading into the year ofdeath.
So
March 13, 2020, at least here in the state.
No no surprises there, really, that I burntout, especially considering that we've got some
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major gaps in our training, which I'lldefinitely get, touch on later.
But, essentially, I was 6 months in.
I was starting to see some deterioration and,like, breakdown in my personal relationships.
I was snapping at my family, friends, cancelingsocial events, just not wanting to be anywhere
but my bed.
I was, starting to emotionally eat and myanxiety, depression was rising.
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I was, you know, just overwhelmed by thetiniest thing at work.
I just not sleeping like I can keep going.
You know, it was just everything, every aspectof my health, my well-being, mental, physical,
emotional was just, it was on the downwardspiral.
And I'm grateful that I picked it up, but Istill didn't know what to do about it.
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So I approached my clinical nurse educator andI asked, so I'm seeing my colleagues who've
been in this industry for 5 plus years, andthey're experiencing the same stuff that I am,
except they're saying that it hasn't changed.
Is there anything I can do to prevent this?
And she turns around and says, get used to it.
(06:54):
It's not going to change.
You know, just suck it up.
Like school nurse.
Yeah.
Suck it up.
Yeah.
Suck it up.
Right?
Yeah.
It's like, okay.
Thanks.
Yeah.
I know.
That wasn't helpful at all.
Thank you.
Thank you so much
for that input.
I am so glad I asked you.
Well, it's so hard for it's so hard for ourindustry, especially the first responders, you
know, and nurses too.
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They wanna be they wanna be the people thatpeople rely on.
And you ask for help, and they feel it's thatinternal, you know, stupid voice inside your
head or that fear inside of you that makes yousay, I shouldn't be asking for help.
I should that fear inside of you that makes yousay, I shouldn't be asking for help.
I should be able to do this.
And and for you to speak up in such a youngage, because I'm sure you were, what, in your
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early twenties, so you're not even fullydeveloped yet up here.
No.
You know what I mean?
I mean I mean, you're a female, so you'realready more advanced than I ever was at 23 or
whatever, you know, what it was.
But but, you know, but still, you're just, youknow, people in general, humans are not really
fully equipped for what they have to deal withwhen they're in their early twenties, you know,
and then they get thrown into this.
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And then you go then you do decide to speak up,and you go to a mentor, and they tell you to go
pound sand.
I'm like, man, if my mentor when I had mycrash, if my mentor told me to go pound sand, I
probably wouldn't be here right now.
I'm the spiral to the point of, you know, ofbad things.
And, you know, I wasn't at the time, but Icouldn't have imagined if someone would have
told me, no.
Suck it up.
This is this is what you signed up for, buddy.
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You know, if that's what if that's what cameabout, I mean, that's what we'd have to change.
That's what you and I are both trying tochange.
And and, you know, I do have another podcastcalled the Elevate podcast, and it is
specifically for first responder mental health,health care, mental health.
And there's a little bit of a crossover here,and we're gonna have you on the on the Elevate
podcast too.
But, ultimately, I wanted to bring you on thispodcast first because you kinda did what I did.
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You came through nursing, had a problem, gotgot stymied and said, no.
That is not the answer.
There's a better answer out there.
Yes.
So tell me tell me what happened when after shetold you that, you know, tell me about making
the decision to do what you do and and put thatentrepreneurial cap on and then decide to make
something of it for, not only for your fellow,you know, health care workers, but for, you
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know, possibly, you know, sustaining yourselfthroughout the next, you know, 20 years in your
career.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
After that wonderful conversation, I, I offeredto to I offered to create a quality
I hope she's watching this.
I think she's retired now.
But, you know, anyways, you know, after I hadthe conversation with her, I offered to take
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action and do something about it.
Right?
I was like, how about we do an internal, youknow, quality improvement project?
We identify what are what are our triggers andhow can we improve it and put into yourself
something into place.
And she said, yeah, you're only new in theindustry.
Just leave it be.
Now you and I have had a good couple of chatsnow, and if you as the more you get to know me,
(09:49):
the more you'll realize I'm not just a let itgo or a.
I'm a do or a.
A let how do we even spell that let it go or a?
I can't wait for the transcript to come back onthat.
Not even gonna try.
A letter go or Wait.
There's a copywriter to tell me not allowed touse
any That's right.
That's right.
Yeah.
Exactly.
You know, and, so I didn't let it lie.
That's just not in my nature.
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I'm just not gonna let this happen to me.
I'm, you know, no.
I'm not about being helpless.
Like, I wasn't going to let that helplessfeeling become my identity of like, I'm just
letting it happen to me.
So that really, that conversation and then myexperience of seeing other nurses still
struggling with the same stuff many years intotheir career, I was just like, no, that's not
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happening.
I just, by the way, I just didn't want to be abetter nurse.
That was my main motive to begin with.
I didn't want to become a bitter nurse.
I didn't want to, fall out of love withsomething I had fallen in love with.
And that's something that I was genuinelyenjoying when it when the going was good, you
know?
Right.
And so that led me on a path of discovery.
(10:54):
I was I went on on a discovery discoverypathway of coaching, training, books, or you
name it.
Like if it was a resource about improving myexperience with burnout and with shift work and
managing a healthy lifestyle in and out ofwork, I was onto it.
But But what I found was this major, major gapin the knowledge and the support that was
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tailored to the shift working person.
And even more specific to that, nurses.
You know, it's always like super generic ofmake sure you meal prep or make sure you do
that.
And it's like, yeah, okay, meal prep is cool,but how?
And it's like, that's one simple example.
Other things like how to unwind from a shift,how to deal with a patient passing away, how to
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process the, the trauma that you've experiencedfrom either an intense, met call or, you know,
a patient or a family member abusing you.
You know, how do you deal with that?
How do you deal with the high stressenvironment?
We don't get taught that in our our training.
It's just like, you know, documentation,documentation, documentation.
And PS, make sure you look after yourself.
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Documentation, documentation, document,document.
You know, it's just there's just no how to
do it.
What is self care?
I'm not supposed to do stuff for myself.
I'm a
No.
Well, perfect.
Like, it's so ingrained in us that we have tojust give, give, give.
And, yeah, it's just about becoming.
And this is something that I I've started to tolabel it is we need to learn how to become
healthily selfish.
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So when I started
Selfish.
Okay.
Healthily selfish.
Yeah.
So that's my made up word again.
My made up word.
No.
I don't I think that's a great tagline.
That's a great tagline.
Absolutely.
And so, you know, I started taking the bits andthe pieces because I found things for CEOs.
I found things for homemakers.
I found things for everything in between,really.
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And, I decided to put together the things thatwas working.
And as I was sharing with my colleagues, again,the experienced ones, they were like, Hey, this
is super simple and it's actually making adifference.
Like, thank you.
And I was like, Yes, you're right.
It is working because it's working for me.
Like, I remember one time we, I was in an ICU,environment and we just lost a patient after a
(13:06):
horrendous medical situation.
It had been like a whole 24 hour period of justlike medical, CPR, medical, CPR, like she'd go
kind of stable, but not.
And then eventually she passed away.
And I turned to my colleagues and I said,right, so when's our debrief?
Because that was horrific.
And they were like, oh, no, it's the end of theshift.
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We're behind and that's going to happen again.
You know, deal.
And if I didn't have the strategies that I havein place, I don't think I'd be nursing.
Don't think I would be because I was still ayoung nurse.
I think I had been maybe 2, two and a halfyears in at that point.
And if I hadn't had the strategies in place, noway I'd be here as a nurse.
And so, yeah, that's when I decided, right, Ineed to write a book.
(13:51):
I need to put this the things that I'm doing,it needs to be in front of other people.
So especially the young nurses and even theones who have newness ages but don't know how
to deal with what they have to deal with.
Right.
They need a
dumb thing.
That's my biggest goal is to 20 years from now,it's part of our curriculum.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's my biggest goal.
(14:12):
I'd I'd I'd like it to be 5 years from now.
I mean, I'd like it to be tomorrow, but, youknow, we have to be a little bit realistic on
on time frame.
But Yeah.
When it comes to so what you developed was thatso you didn't find somebody else's thing or
course and then just copy them.
You kind of, like, you dove into all these,like, different modalities and then and then
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through your, you know, your creativity and andjust who you are, you created your own thing,
wrote a book, and and then turned that bookinto the course that we are gonna talk about
here in a few minutes?
Yeah.
Pretty much.
So I, there are some things that I still givecredit to the original, like, thought, you
know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
But Yeah.
I definitely definitely like the collation ofthings together.
(14:55):
It was it was just some And
the fact and the pattern, I know that's a veryI'm in the middle of something right now where,
you know, he's like, listen, just follow thethe structure.
You follow the structure, and you'll come backon the other side in a different way.
So, you know, so that's that's the thing is ishow to take all the shells that have all the
answers and put them in the right line to makesure that things are dealt with in the right
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way.
So you have the knowledge of, you know, like,Ace's score.
Huge thing to know.
Something that all of us should know at thevery beginning of our career, and I didn't find
out about it until, like, almost a year agonow.
Yeah.
I keep on I've been saying 8 months, but thenmonths go by.
So it's been about a year since I learned aboutthe ASIN score, and that was just a huge light
bulb moment for me.
Like, everyone should know what that is, andthen they should know their own faces score So
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because it's very, very, you know, telling ofhow you're gonna deal with stuff later on in
life.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
So so have you always had an entrepreneurialbrain or, like, or or have you or did you sell,
you know, lemonade on the sidewalk?
I mean, or did you mow lawn?
Like, I started mowing lawns and just got intothe thing, like, hey, this is awesome.
I can do stuff.
I can do stuff and make money.
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People pay me to shovel the lawn or to shovelthe lawn.
Ugh.
Not that I haven't shoveled lawn.
I have dogs that don't like to go out in thesnow.
So I have shoveled a lawn before, but not formoney.
I've mowed the lawns in the summer and shoveledthe sidewalks and driveways in the in the
winter when I was a kid.
But when I was an adult, I'm doing them both.
I'm shoveling the lawn for my dogs and mowingthe lawn for my dogs.
It's all about my dogs.
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Yeah.
So tell me how you like, what did you dobefore?
Like, did you always have that entrepreneurial,you know, mindset, or is that just something
that you learned through the process?
Yeah.
No.
I definitely sorry.
We'll just have to readjust here for a second.
Yeah.
So I definitely had a, entrepreneurial mindsetfrom the get go from, like, I swear I was I was
born an entrepreneur.
Okay, cool.
I, I used to.
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So I'm originally from South Africa.
And so I would go I'd bake Russks and makebiltong and I'd be walking down the street
selling that to my neighbors.
Hello, little one.
Better comfortable, apparently.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So sorry about that.
That's alright.
We're real people, everybody.
You know, this is not gonna be cut either.
(17:07):
This is this is it.
This is this is who you get.
You get me.
You get her.
My dogs may come up here and jump on my backhere in a minute too.
So my kids are my kids are much older thanthat.
If I tried to get my son to sit like that, he'dhe'd squash me.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, this gotta you gotta get it done.
You know?
And, finding finding the happy balance.
Yeah.
So, like, I've been I've been entrepreneurmindset minded from from the get go, I think.
(17:29):
I've yeah.
I still have memories of drawing up my ideal,like, I was gonna live on a farm and I was
gonna do this and that on you know, like, veryentrepreneurial from the get go.
And so I'm so passionate about it.
It's now just about learning to go from beingjust a nurse and being working in the business
and learning how to work on the business andhow to grow it.
(17:51):
And that's why I'm seeking seeking the help ofof people who know, who people have gone
before.
Right.
Right.
And that's so important.
You know, we have to we have to realize, youknow, I struggled for a while when I started
creating my course, and and this is probablysomething you can speak on it once I share
this.
But, you know, I felt like I'm like, wait asecond.
You know, I'm creating this.
This is for the greater good of my peep of mypeople, you know, of of my industry.
(18:14):
You know, why you know, should I be makingmoney at this?
Should I be charging people?
Like, this should be, like, on first of all,this should be common knowledge.
I mean, this should be something we put intoschooling.
But but on the other hand, it's like I I'veI've intellectual property, my time, you know,
my expertise in all my training and mybackground.
You know?
Yes.
People get people get paid to teach people.
(18:35):
And I'm like, okay.
So I had to wrap my head around that for awhile.
I had to talk to a few mentors.
I had talked to a few strangers that were,like, I was struggling with, you know, charging
for a certain amount for my course and stufflike that.
And in general, like, not just an amount, but aa charging for stuff.
And and it's to the point where I see people,you know, speaking at lectures and, of course,
they're getting paid.
They're not gonna be there unless they'regetting paid at least expenses.
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You know what I mean?
So so it's one of those things where it took mea while to get to the point where what I
developed was beneficial, and it was beneficialto me and my background to charge for it.
So did you struggle with that when you firststarted doing it?
Yes and no.
I think I I because again, because of myentrepreneur mindset, I knew that I wanted to
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eventually in my lifetime, I don't know what,create something that would sustain me outside
of just my job.
But I've definitely struggled along the yearswith what to charge.
And I've even recent in the last few years,like, you know, when the going gets tough,
sometimes I'm like, maybe I should just makefree.
You know, I just need to like, I just wannahelp people and just give it to them.
You know?
But then I'm like, they won't value it as much.
(19:40):
And I'm like Yeah.
You gotta have a when
they won't get it.
You know?
It's like it's like the constant internalbattle.
Yeah.
They will do it.
So We'll finish it.
Yeah.
If they got don't have skin in the game.
You know?
And and that does lead to the fact that, youknow, we do have you know, it's the background.
You know?
The years I've been in the health care fieldalmost 30 years, that's worth something.
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My knowledge is worth something.
And if if they want it if they basically ifsomeone I'm building a bridge that I can
actually accelerate instead of 30 years orwell, I hit my my wall at 20 years in.
Yeah.
You know?
And so learning learning what to do in the inin crisis at year 20 or for you, you're month
6, you know, because of because of the timeframe that you came in.
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I mean, so many people left the industry whenduring that time frame.
But, you know, that accelerated everything by a100x, you know, so COVID made everybody burn
out, you know, I mean, just like overnight.
And 100%.
Unfortunately, you know, hopefully, we're onthe backside of that and backside of it
mentally and and learn from it as well.
But what we've learned from it can benefit, andthe things that we did to stay in the industry
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could benefit others.
And there is value in that.
So that's that's my philosophy.
It was hard to come by that philosophy and getto that point.
I did have to talk to a lot of people that werealready doing this kind of thing, you know, you
know, helping others with their knowledge andbeing in the industry.
But it's it's so rewarding.
Not only do you know that you're providing foryourself and your family, but you're also
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providing a a a good valuable service that'saccelerating the time frame of learning these
things instead of having the the the thedownfalls.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Yep.
It's definitely been a learning curve, and it'snow only just maybe in the last year that I've
started to be more comfortable with withcharging what I feel and know I'm worth rather
(21:30):
than
Right.
Kind of like, you know, shiny things ingeneral.
Maybe I should just reduce the amount.
Maybe I should increase it.
Maybe I should, you know, just, like,constantly, like, maybe I should try this, try
to do that strategy.
And finally, in the last year, I've started tokind of slow down a little bit and go, it's a
good product.
It just needs to get in front of the rightpeople.
Like, let's Right.
You know, it's just just stay the course.
Yeah.
(21:50):
Yeah.
Pretty much exactly what you said.
Just follow the system.
Exactly.
And unfortunately, in our industry, my industryand your industry, not everybody's raising
their hand for help.
So you have to kinda get strategic and and getthe information out there to let people know
that you have something to help.
So when they do face that shift and they'relike, oh my god.
How am I supposed to deal with this?
Oh, wait a second.
I I heard something on a podcast that someone'ssomeone's made a bridge.
(22:12):
Someone's built a bridge to help me get therefaster.
Let me see what it's all about.
So talk to me about you know, tell us all aboutyour course and and how people find you and it
and all that stuff and and what it you know,whatever the basic, you know, you don't I can
give away all your secrets or they would needto contact you because I don't know if there's
coaching involved or if it's just evergreen.
Like, tell me more about your course
(22:33):
and and what it does.
Absolutely.
So the course is based on the principles in mybook.
So the book's called Nursing the Nurse, theUltimate 6 Step Guide to Building Nurse Burnout
and, you know, take out nurse and just insertyour industry.
It's it's generic, but it's specific, if youknow what I mean.
So it's generic in that every industry needsit, but I've written it for the nurse because
(22:54):
that's who, you know, I'm I'm talking to mewhen I first started.
And, you know, so the course just builds onthat and takes it to the next level where we've
got you've got 8 8 weeks of access to it, andit's essentially just a walk through and then
an in-depth conversation and community aroundthat.
I know exactly like what you just said before.
Many nurses or many health care professionalsaren't raising their hands to get the help.
(23:15):
Right.
And I
think it's because it's like young people.
Oh, yeah.
Right?
We don't wanna
Raise your hands before you even know you havea problem.
Trust me.
Is it it's like it's like I was talking withsomeone earlier today, because I'm starting up
my own podcast, as you know, and she was justlike she was saying that, you know, it's just
it's almost like people are expecting to burnout.
They they just they just assume it's part ofthe job, and it's it doesn't have to be.
(23:40):
And so that's exactly what we're trying toprevent in that, in Nursing the Nurse, the
ultimate walkthrough is what the course iscalled.
So, yeah, we've got weekly coaching there.
We just come together as a bunch of nurses, andI call it, like, our little huddle where we
just connect in with each other, and you cankind of, you can see what the person in week 6
versus the person in week 1 is going through,and and just kind of share ideas and and just
(24:01):
build on on the the basic principles, the basicbut vital principles that we talk about in in
the course.
So, yeah, I mean, we've also got access into mymy membership, which is called Nursing in the
Nurse, the holistic huddle, where I'vecollaborated with a physiotherapist, a
nutritionist, and a mindset coach where wecreate tailored support.
It's almost like a gym membership in yourpocket where where nurses can just get that
(24:24):
access and get that expert advice and supportto improve their health and well-being.
So, yeah, it's it's just it's such an awesomeresource, and it's been so, so useful for those
who've used it.
It's now just a matter of getting it in frontof people so we can start making a difference
on a larger scale.
And like you said, get it into our trainingfrom the
get Education.
Yeah.
Yeah.
(24:45):
Yep.
Exactly.
Because I think that's where it should startand not that's where that's ultimately where it
needs to be.
And then we still need to, you know, have theseopen conversations in in my area.
They use a word stigma, right, in in this themental health stigma.
And now we've almost got a stigma for the wordstigma.
(25:07):
You know?
So and so I actually wanna change it and say,let's just normalize Let's just normalize
mental health conversation in this industry.
Just normalize it.
Like, it's just normal to talk about it.
Like, this isn't a big deal.
Like, no, you're a tough person if you can facethe con you know, face the truth about the way
you feel about stuff.
Like, it's okay to be in touch with yourfeelings a little bit.
(25:28):
You'd you need to be tough in the moment.
Absolutely.
And that's part of the training, but they don'ttrain you for the backside of it on the
aftermath.
And that's where where things need to change.
And train we can still train the old dog.
Right?
The old dog can learn new tricks, and I'drather the old dog learn new tricks before the
old dog is facing, you know, facing down abarrel, you know, because unfortunately, in our
industry, that's where it's headed.
(25:49):
Yeah.
A 100%.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that's where it's unfortunately, that's,you know, the numbers are changing.
They're going down, but it's because we'retrying to normalize the conversation, and we're
being people like you and me are out thereputting our putting our problems that we've had
out on the line, not letting anybody tell usthat we're weak or anything like that.
You know, I've never been stronger in my lifeexcept for the day that I raised my hand for
(26:11):
help.
I know for a fact I was the strongest personthat day because if I wasn't, my family
wouldn't have me right now.
Yeah.
And I was strong for me, my family, mycoworkers, my my community.
I was strong because I raised my hand.
Yeah.
And I know you have that you share that samefeeling because we've our conversations we've
had.
So Yeah.
Well, once again, now tell everybody where tofind your stuff, how to get a hold of you.
(26:32):
I'll put everything, of course, in the shownotes, but but go ahead and just do it verbally
in case somebody doesn't have you know, theydon't wanna click on links.
They wanna write things down.
For sure.
For sure.
So, you know, everything is accessible throughmy website, www.nursingthenurse.com.
And, yeah, basically, you will find there freethere's a free fantastic free training that
goes on about the 3 biggest myths that nursesand healthcare workers believe about the
(26:57):
industry.
That's one specific one that stands out isthinking that it's gonna get better with time.
It's not.
You know, just because you've got moreexperience, so to speak, doesn't mean you know
how to know how to look after yourself.
Like we said earlier, self awareness leads toself care.
And, you know, resilience is a choice.
I want to add that just at the end isresilience is a choice.
And choosing resilience every day doesn't meanit's going to be easier.
(27:20):
It just means you got to choose it every day.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Just if you if you don't know where to look forhelp or if you don't know what to do, look for
help and look for someone who's done it beforeso that you don't struggle for, in your case,
20 years or and, you know And that's
the weirdest thing.
I didn't struggle at all until, like, the last,like, 30 days of that time.
You know?
I mean, I may have had a couple of dips, but Iwas never I was never like I was that day, you
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know, and or that month, you know, that Ialmost I almost went a full 30 days to put me
into PTSD, but I major things happened in thesame 30 day period that allowed me to have that
crisis and say, wait a minute.
I need help.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And
that's the thing, like you said, you just don'tknow when it's gonna happen.
Right.
So you gotta have your pocket.
Well, in in in the the best analogy that I'veever heard anybody say, I can't remember who I
(28:06):
heard it from, but everybody's cup oreverybody's pool, one drop at a time will fill
up eventually and overflow.
And it doesn't matter, you know, whatever yoursize of cup or vessel is, the things that
happen to us mentally and and and struggles andemotionally, those are drops.
You know?
Sometimes it's, you know, like, my incident waskind of a big pour.
(28:30):
It wasn't really a drop.
It was like a, but I I had drops earlier.
You know?
I had all these drops earlier that I didn't gethelp for that I probably should have talked
about or or or had the debriefing on, but neverdid.
And then when the big one came, it was thisgush, and it was like, oh, nope.
I'm overflowing.
You know?
So everybody has that that vessel that theproblems and the things that we see and the
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things that we deal with.
But we're not just talking about what we see orthe deaths or stuff like that.
We're also talking about time away from ourfamily, our financial health.
We're talking about, you know, our not beingable to do the fun stuff we used to do.
Is it you know, we come home and we'reexhausted, and we can't even, like, we can't
even watch our favorite shows because Yep.
We're just so done.
We're so spent, you know, because it's beensuch a hard day.
(29:15):
Yeah.
Sleep, you know, deprivation, all that stuff.
That's all drops.
All of that stuff are drops.
It's not about just what we see.
And people need to understand that that it'snot about everything that we see in the
industry.
It's the whole life.
You know?
Everybody in the world has the same problems,but then we have all these others from our
industry that adds onto it.
(29:35):
So it's this, you know, it's this stair step.
You know?
So alright.
Well, thank you so much, Danelle, for comingon.
I the Ignition Path podcast and talking aboutyour path to to get your course to people for
help.
Don't hesitate to reach out to her.
Reach out to me.
Her podcast is coming soon.
We're in we're talking about naming it now, sowe don't know what the name it is of it is yet.
I'll probably be helping her with her podcast.
(29:56):
So that's the goal at least.
And and, don't hesitate to send her a message.
Send me a message.
Like, share, subscribe.
And, if you've heard something during thisconversation where somebody sticks out in your
head and you need to share the podcast withthem, hit that share button on your phone and
send it right over to them.
Janelle, anything else before we head out?
No.
That's everything.
(30:16):
Thank you so much.
It's been awesome.
Alright.
Alright.
Get some sleep, girl.
I was late, people.
Thank you.
Alright.
Take care.
Bye, everybody.
Bye.
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