All Episodes

October 30, 2025 14 mins

This week we're looking into the disasters that rocked our local communities and how those incidents have shaped today. 

With summer just around the corner and the fire danger season kicking off for several of our regions tomorrow, we're being encouraged to remember where we have been and how far we have come in preparation and prevention.

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Mark as Played
Transcript

Episode Transcript

Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:01):
My Heart.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Hi. I'm Jackie Liam with Iheartessa. This week we're looking
into the disasters that rock down local communities and how
those incidents have shaped today. With summer just around the
corner and the fire danger season kicking off for several
of our regions tomorrow, we're being encouraged to remember where
we've been and how far we've come in bush fire
preventions and preparation. This year has marked some poignant disaster

(00:26):
anniversaries across the state, but none more hurrowing than a
disaster that tore through the Air Peninsula. Back in January,
EP residents commemorated twenty years and remembered those they lost
in the Wandery Fires of two thousand and five. Our
reporter Brooks Say show in the Air Peninsula, spoke to
veteran firefighter Kim Eagle and CFS Commander Stephen Bouscher about

(00:47):
the sheer devastation on that fateful Monday and Tuesday and
what's happened in the years since.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
It was the worst far in South Australia since Ash Wednesday.
My experience of the day, I was local briger captain
back then for White Flat Brigade. Initial memories were clearly
it was such a bad day. When the hot north
wind came in, temperatures would have been well over forty.
The significant part about it, which I learned later, was

(01:14):
a fire danger index when that was calculated for the
day was well into the three hundreds. We consider a
catastrophic day at one hundred. When you match it all up,
it was a pretty untidy day as far as firefighting
is concerned. And then the other memory was just the
speed it traveled. Could well have been one hundred cars
an hour. I know we were in the initial flare up.

(01:35):
We were going across an open paddock and the drip.
My driver in the truck said, we're doing sixty cars
an hour, and yeah, it was pulling away from us
pretty comfortably, so we just couldn't keep up.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
It is the twentieth anniversary of the fire this year,
so I was wondering if you could give an insight
into what you're hoping to achieve.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
It's just about recognizing the significance of the event to
the community. It was a traumatic time for those that
were directly involved and indirectly. Clearly it's their Pinicula is
a close knit community, so everybody knows somebody or related
to somebody that probably got impacted. Nine lives were lost
on the day. You know there will be significant recollection

(02:13):
recollections for those families. The other aspect of looking at
the anniversary is the community and cfs as well have
moved on and made improvements, and you know, the community
through our local regional community Engagement officer are doing a
lot of work in pre preparedness with their bushfire action

(02:33):
plans and what to do in an emergency, and things
don't stand still after events like that.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
Yeah, I was going to ask, how have you seen
the technology and resources change from twenty years ago to now, Like,
are we better prepared for in case something like this
does happen again?

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Oh, certainly we're a lot better equipped than we were
back then. A lot of things that we see today
within cfs actually ironically born out of the one and
the subsequent coroner's inquiry. The public warning systems we use
these days had its origins from Wungar and we've had
an increase in regional staff as well, so when we

(03:10):
get incidents like that, that information gets flowed out to
the community in a lot more responsive manner.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
And those updates are just the start. I also recently
spoke with CFS Commander Stephen Boucher. He says the disaster
highlighted the gaps in our response strategies.

Speaker 5 (03:27):
Back then, I said, twenty years ago with a bold
significantly since then. It was a fire that was unprecedented,
burnt just under seventy eight thousand hectares and destroyed ninety
three houses and fatally killed nine individuals. This fire was
a line in the sands for the Country Fire Service,
and we had a number of recommendations that were embedded

(03:49):
across the agency. And I'd say since then, we've seen
significant improvements as part of the recommendations around the grain
harvesting Code of Practice, vast improvements in the issuing of
public warning and emergency warning systems, which are now a
national framework which is a three tet approach that we
used to these days.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
In what ways have these fires, because I know we
also had the Cudley Creek and Duckpond fires in twenty nineteen,
it's been five years since those that you were involved in,
In what ways have these fires shaped the resources for
both the community and the CFS.

Speaker 5 (04:21):
Yeah, resources are a critical component now and when we
talk resourcing, we call, the ability to scale up for
operational incidents and call in additional fire trucks, and that
has never been as easy as what it is today.
And we're able to draw upon our ninety one fire
trucks quite quickly. But also the deployment to enable crews
to come over from Adelaide, Porto Gaster, our neighboring areas,

(04:43):
but more broadly now interstate and international. We see it
as more of a holistic approach and not really isolated
to be left with locals to manage the fires. It's
an all encompassing approach these days.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
We'll have more after the break. Welcome back. Today, we're
turning our attention to a season that looms large in
this state, bush fire season. With warmer, dryer weather already
here and firebands starting to roll out across the state,
it's a crucial time to ask are we ready? What

(05:19):
have we learned from the devastating bushfires of the past,
and how are those lessons helping us prepare for the
risks ahead. From ash Wednesday to the horror of the
twenty nineteen twenty twenty summer that scorched Ki and the
Adelaide Hills, these disasters don't just leave scars. They change
how we fight fires, how we plan communities, and how
we communicate in a crisis. Assistant Chief Officer at the CFS,

(05:41):
Allison May, says the ash Wednesday fires were pivotal in
helping shape the CFS as it stands today.

Speaker 6 (05:47):
The CFS is a very different organization to what it
was with Ash Wednesday back in nineteen eighty three. The
spirit of CFS and our volunteers remains the same, but
the firefighting agency that we are today has so much
better equipment, the training for our personnel, the protective clothing

(06:10):
that they wear, the communications, everything in terms of that
response is just leaped and downs above where it was
in Ash Wednesday. A lot of lessons were learned at
that time and continue to be learned since.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
And so how many lives have we lost to bush
fires over the years.

Speaker 6 (06:28):
Since the formation of CFS as a unified state funded
agency in nineteen seventy seven, bushfires have resulted in the
loss of fifty three lives in South Australia, as well
as obviously the destruction and loss of countless claim.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
I also spoke to recently retired incident controller with National
Parks and the CFS Richard de Grut about how much
we can and have learned from these events if.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
You look at complexity and the duration of the fire.
The Yorktown fire was a grassland fire, and they experienced
really strong northerly winds early in the morning, and because
it was mainly grassland, the rate of spread was particularly quick.
We had forty fifty kilometer hour winds. It traveled over

(07:17):
twenty five kilometers overnight. But in terms of duration, the
difference is that that event really was over a twenty
four hour period. The Covered Creek fire that was burning
in a combination of native vegetation and grassland, but in
very steep terrain, so the difficulty of gaining access for
firefighters to get in physically suppressive fire was a lot

(07:39):
more challenging having the ability to keep up with that
in the train that it was burning in, so we
just couldn't access it.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Right, So this is kind of similar then, I suppose
the Cuddly Creek fire maybe then too in the National
mount Remarkable National Park. At the moment, the fire burning
near Warrington been going for over a week now.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yes, And that's exactly right, Jackie, Because they're fighting fire
in very steep terrain that's got quite thick, dense vegetation,
and most effectively they are doing a combination of back
burning but also waiting for the fire to burn out
into accessible countries so they get their ability to get

(08:18):
their fire suppression equipment to physically put it out.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
And as far as preparation goes, you'd have different preparation
then for different areas, you know, as opposed to steep terrain,
or those in the Adelaide Hills would have something different
to do than those at the Yorktown fires for example.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah, yes, yes, well in that steep terrain, in native vegetation,
there's really in terms of preparation and trying to maximize
your ability to suppress a fire should it start. We
use prescribed burning, so there's a program that National Parks run.
What happens there is you're doing obviously a controlled environment,

(08:55):
normally during spring and autumn, and you burn a vegetation
out in strategic areas to allow greater fuel reduction zones.
So when a fire does kick off, once it progresses
into those prescribed burning areas, inevitably the intensity and the

(09:16):
rates have spread are lower because there's less fuel. So yes,
natural bush we tend to use more prescribed burning and
in open grassland that tends to be more around creating
merror earth breaks in many instances around crop lands and grassrooms.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Right, So, how have things changed maybe then since back
then versus in the later part of your career.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
I guess there's a few things that come to mind.
The fire appliance upgrades that see if they's introduced around
twenty twenty, have completed their program in twenty twenty three,
where the appliance is probably the best in Australia. They've
got radiant heat curtains, they've got in cabin breathing systems.

(09:58):
The appliances are all equipped with doubt seeing water bousing systems,
so literally flick on the pump and it just saturates
the whole fire appliants with water. So not only the
fire appliants is more adapted to fighting in a range
of in a range of terrain, but they're also very
much the emphasis has been placed on crew safety. The

(10:18):
other one is aerial suppression capability. So CFS following following
the ki and Cuddly Creek fires, they've successfully managed to
secure funding to increase their aerial capability. So they've got
about thirty one aircraft now spread across the state. They're
located in air Peninsular and mid north Southeast and of

(10:40):
course in Ount Lofty Ranges.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
And as far as obviously that's everything that you guys
were able to do, but as far as someone who
lives on the land, or even someone just lives in
Adelaide Hills on just a normal every day, sure, what
do people.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Do to preparate? I advise to go to the CF's
website and they've got a wealth of information on how
to prepare for bush by, what to do during a
bush fire, and what to do after a bush fire.
So that's all outlined on their website. But the important
part is to make sure the fine fuels are clear
from around your home for a good twenty twenty five meters.

(11:14):
And I say fine fuels specifically because trees or vegetation
of a larger diameter doesn't really have an impact on
the fire behavior. It's the fine fuels, fuels of less
than six millimeters in thickness that's what has the impact
on intensity and rates of spread. So the fine fuels

(11:36):
are important to remove. So that's things like obviously bark leaves,
are very fine vegetation. That's important to remove that from
around your home. And the other thing that's important is
minimizing the impact of ember attacks. So that's the leaves
and barks that are blowing through the air burning, and

(11:56):
a lot of houses are impacted as a result of
Emperor attack. So it's not actually the fire half front necessarily,
it's the actual ember attack that takes hold and starts
fire and destroys your home.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Experts are saying that another big event is likely to
happen again sometime sooner rather than later, as we're looking
at something like the Wander fires or ash Wednesday or
something like that happening again. Do you think we're ready
for it.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
That's a really good question, Jackie, in quite a complex
one to answer. I think the broader community, particularly those
living in bushfire areas, are a bit more aware of
bushfire safety. I think our public warning system has improved
immensely over the last twenty years, so now that we're
informing the public of where the fire is in which

(12:44):
areas it's going to impact, that's been a great improvement
in terms of suppressing a fire in catastrophic conditions, that's
not possible the fires moving to greater intensity and greater
rates have spread to safely be in a position to
suppress it. So then it's just a matter of being

(13:04):
in a position where you're out of the fire's way
or having an ability to find a bushfire safer place.
So I'm optimistic that people are more aware of the
bushfire danger seas the impacts of bushfire. I think it's
inevitable that we will get a major event in years
to come that yeah, let's just hope that people that

(13:27):
live in those bushfire areas are well aware of the
threats and put in practices to minimize those threats. And
this should a bushfire start.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
For clarity, the thigh danger season is already underway on
the Eastern Air Peninsula and West Coast. It's due to
begin in the Riverland, Murraylands and Upper Southeast tomorrow and
on November fifteen in the Lower ep are. Other regions,
including the Flinders, Mid North and York Peninsula are yet
to be announced. That's it for this week. Don't forget
you and hear iHeart Essay and the iHeart app or

(13:59):
wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Jackie Limb. Join us
again next week for more of the stories you want
to hear. I heard essay the voice of South Australia.
I heart essayed
Advertise With Us

Popular Podcasts

Stuff You Should Know
Ruthie's Table 4

Ruthie's Table 4

For more than 30 years The River Cafe in London, has been the home-from-home of artists, architects, designers, actors, collectors, writers, activists, and politicians. Michael Caine, Glenn Close, JJ Abrams, Steve McQueen, Victoria and David Beckham, and Lily Allen, are just some of the people who love to call The River Cafe home. On River Cafe Table 4, Rogers sits down with her customers—who have become friends—to talk about food memories. Table 4 explores how food impacts every aspect of our lives. “Foods is politics, food is cultural, food is how you express love, food is about your heritage, it defines who you and who you want to be,” says Rogers. Each week, Rogers invites her guest to reminisce about family suppers and first dates, what they cook, how they eat when performing, the restaurants they choose, and what food they seek when they need comfort. And to punctuate each episode of Table 4, guests such as Ralph Fiennes, Emily Blunt, and Alfonso Cuarón, read their favourite recipe from one of the best-selling River Cafe cookbooks. Table 4 itself, is situated near The River Cafe’s open kitchen, close to the bright pink wood-fired oven and next to the glossy yellow pass, where Ruthie oversees the restaurant. You are invited to take a seat at this intimate table and join the conversation. For more information, recipes, and ingredients, go to https://shoptherivercafe.co.uk/ Web: https://rivercafe.co.uk/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/therivercafelondon/ Facebook: https://en-gb.facebook.com/therivercafelondon/ For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iheartradio app, apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com

Dateline NBC

Dateline NBC

Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com

Music, radio and podcasts, all free. Listen online or download the iHeart App.

Connect

© 2025 iHeartMedia, Inc.