August 6, 2025 • 56 mins
Superman has returned to theaters and James Gunn's fresh vision delivers exactly what the Man of Steel deserves — a film that understands what makes this character special after nearly a century in popular culture.
In this episode, co-hosts Jonathan C. Legat and Tricia Legat, and producer Michael Noens discuss how the film embraces Superman's fundamental optimism without feeling naive. Gunn's Superman stands apart by genuinely believing in humanity's potential for good.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, so which Superman had Russell Crowe as
his dad?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
That is that one.
Yeah, that is man of Steel.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Okay, and then which one had Kevin Costner as his dad
?
No, okay, oh, there were bothJesus Christ, so Russell Crowe
is his real father.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Kevin Costner is the man who raises him and gets
nom-noms, but they were both.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Robin.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Hood, when was?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Russell Crowe, robin Hood, relatively recently.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
You're shiting me.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
No, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
So confused.
This was 20-fucking-10?
.
Was I dead?
Greetings and or salutations,and welcome to Imbibe Cinema.
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I'm Jonathan C Leggett, alongwith my co-host, Trisha Leggett,
as well as our producer.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Michael Nowens.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
In this episode we are going to be discussing the
2025 Superman slash DCU JamesGunn reboot.
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It is quite a pretty drink,very patriotic, and that goes
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career of superman, in which ithas been in just truth and
justice.
Truth justice, the american way.
It has been a fight for truth,justice, the american way.
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Truth, justice and freedom.
Truth Justice, the American Way.
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Mankind.
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Speaker 2 (02:38):
You know this is good .
We're continuing season threeand keeping the tradition of
John basically being one drinkin as we start.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
And I doubled mine.
It's an Emmy.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
It was an accident and you can watch it on our
Instagram in real time.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
An accident the actual oops moment.
Yeah, the realization.
This is not going to fit,unless I go red, red, red, red,
red, red, blue, anyway.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
So that's a pop quiz.
What movie is that referencing?
Very loosely, very loosely,text us about that next time.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Well, hell, let's start with a question to each of
us.
And we'll start with Trish, whois your Superman.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Well, I think in my case it's more of the first
Superman imprinted on me andthat's like baby chick, like
Christopher Reeves, okay yeah,and I have enjoyed Superman 3
because I was a kid and RichardPryor is funny.
(03:48):
In the eighties kids couldwatch.
For those of us old enough toremember, that was the first big
superhero movie, um, and thatcame out in 78.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, 78.
That sounds right.
So did we can.
Yes, you came out in 78 too.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
That's why he's my favorite, and Superman 3 came
out in 1983.
Right, and for those of us whowere that age, it was great yeah
.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Did you enjoy Superman 4?
I don't remember 4.
Okay, that's probably a goodthing.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
I hear it was Superman 4?
.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Superman 4 iconically is Christopher.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Reeves' Swan Song.
It's the end of the ChristopherReeves movies and it has a
whole star lineup Cryers in it.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yeah, john Cryers in it.
Jim Hackman, margot Kidder,margot Kidder, jackie Cooper,
what's her name?
Mark?
Speaker 1 (04:43):
McClure.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Mariel.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Hemingway.
Yes, wait, the bad guy is hisname, pillow Mark.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Pillow.
Yes, mark, pillow Mark.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Pillow.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
He plays a nuclear man who is the clone of.
Superman.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
I do not remember this movie but luckily we
watched Chad the Bird, who I'm abig fan of.
Always fun facts and he talksabout how people say this is the
worst film and he's like andthat is not true, because the
worst Superman movie ever madeis Superman 4.
And then he breaks down why andhe makes some valid points
(05:24):
Enough for you to be like maybeI need to see it but I shouldn't
.
But it's like bad.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, I've never seen it.
I've never seen it.
I don't think I've seen two,three or four.
I think I've just seen theoriginal Superman.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Oh, I think you've seen two.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
If I've seen two.
I just don't remember it.
But I do know.
I do know that there was a lotof behind the scenes drama with
Superman and the you know thewhole infamous Donner cut
situation, because they hadfilmed pieces of Superman and
Superman 2 at the same time.
(06:02):
Right and another director camein and finished Superman and
there are sequences where theycouldn't get Gene Hackman, and
so there are sequences of themovie where either it's not Gene
Hackman there or it is GeneHackman there and it's somebody
else voicing Gene Hackman.
(06:23):
It's fascinating, oh wow,because they were doing
something slightly different andit's done in a way where you,
you don't even, you don't evenrealize it until it's pointed
out to you.
There's a video that I foundthat that does this.
I can share that to ourlisteners so you can check that
out and and it's superfascinating, I think to watch
the movie after having all thesethings pointed out to you I do
(06:46):
remember hearing there was a lotof like, well, it's gonna be
silly, it's gonna, and yet theyapproached it.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Which such?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
this is mythos, this is huge, this is like serious
you will believe a man can flyis like the whole slogan that
yeah, that's the tagline.
You think this is ridiculous,but you will believe it.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah, we're going to sell you on that and it did, it
did.
But then also Christopher Reevehe went to Juilliard and when
he took this project, when heaccepted it, he treated it
seriously and he did so muchwork to make sure that all the
movement when he was flying,worked very hard to make sure
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that that and that's a lot ofwork to make sure it looked like
he was flying and he took itseriously, like it was this big,
serious role and I think that,along with the way Donner
visioned it, that makes themovie If they were too silly
about it, I mean, who knows andit set the tone for everything
(07:51):
that followed.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Well, almost, but we'll get to that.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Okay, I say, spider-man 3 is silly.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I was just going to say, at least, if you're saying
it, set the tone for everySuperman after that.
No, no, you're right?
Speaker 1 (08:04):
No, it set the tone for every Superman after that.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
No, no, you're right.
No, it set the tone forsuperhero movies.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah, so that and Superman first was it was
serials, they were shorts, right, and then they got more and
more popular, and in the 50s Icould be wrong, it could be late
40s, but in the 50s I think theSuperman was played by
Christopher Reeves and he wasone of those people.
(08:31):
He became known for the roleand couldn't get work outside of
that which has happened at,like you know, william Shatner
and Christopher Plummer and alot of people, where you have a
hard time with your careerafterwards, and then there's a
whole documentary on it.
I strongly suggest checking itout.
It's very interesting.
The official story is hecommitted suicide, but when you
look back at it it really doeslook like somebody murdered the
(08:53):
man.
Oh dear, yeah, very sad.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Not to get conspiratorial apparently.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
No, no, but that's what documentaries are for.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
True, to spread conspiracy theories.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
To make you question history?
Oh, okay.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Do you know what the opposite of Christopher Reeve
was?
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Oh no.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Christopher Walken oh , so bad you did that.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Boo Beautiful.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Also another great documentary, the Christopher
Reeve Superman documentary.
Oh sure I haven't seen it yet.
Oh my god, you'll cry.
It's beautiful, um, yeah, likeI think when he's interviewed
before the accident, he's likeI'm not a hero, I just play one.
And I think a hero is somebodywho does an act of heroism
without thinking of theconsequences, and that was his
definition.
(09:52):
And then, after the, accidentwhen he brings awareness to all
these people who go unseen andraises money for funding and
changes people's lives with hisactivism and puts a face on
something that people weren'ttalking about.
He says I think I've seen realheroes and they're people.
They're ordinary people.
I don't.
I don't think I'm quoting thiscorrectly.
(10:14):
So watch the movie, cause it'sreally good.
All right, yeah, but yeah.
But it's one of the thingsabout Superman why Reeve is my
favorite because Superman, he'soptimism, he's humanity, can
move forward and be better.
He's just.
Batman is dark and depressing,but Superman is okay.
(10:34):
I'm sorry he's not okay, he'scool.
I'm not gonna say he's not coolbut he's a tortured soul.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
John really hasn't said anything.
Well, I mean, and here's thething he gets defensive I do,
because in our house it's like alot.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Well, I mean, and here's the thing he gets
defensive, I do because in ourhouse it's like a lot of people
you know have Cub fans, sox fans, packer fans Bear fans.
In our house we are Supermanand Batman, and that is.
That divide has happened.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I love that you're even dressed appropriately,
you're wearing blue and he'swearing black.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yes, Now we're really really really dark gray.
Our kids All right, sosomething sweet to be done about
your kids.
Sorry, 14 months.
How much did she drink I?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
don't know.
I just finished hers thatWaterloo is hitting her real
hard.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Okay, okay, okay.
So we're just about 14 monthsold and somebody gave her oh no,
I know it was Morgan Morgan.
Yeah, morgan, she gave us theseDC Fisher price superhero
little figures and they'readorable, and there was Superman
and there was green lantern andwonder woman and Batman and.
Batman and Joker, joker and batgirl and Robin, because Batman
(11:43):
always works alone, except whenhe has an entourage.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Anyway, and he was also the only villain was Joker.
So again, anyway.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
So here's the thing we have this totally innocent
child and we open up the packageand we put them all out in
front of her and she looks atthem and she's so excited and I
think the first thing she'sgoing to do is pick up one of
them and just stick it in hermouth because she's teething,
right, sure, but no, not ourdaughter.
She picks up Superman andBatman.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Wait no, first she picked up.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Green.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Lantern and hawked him across the room.
Then she picks up Superman andBatman.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
And Ryan Reynolds would have appreciated that.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Exactly.
She's like no, you don't belong.
And then she makes up Batmanand Superman and she looks at
them and then she makes themfight.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
She starts hitting them together.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
We're like oh my God, how do you know this?
And then she chose Superman.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah, she chose Superman.
And took him with her upstairseight months, at eight months
old, crawled all the way.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
No I said 14 months, I don't know.
No, no, I feel like we've hadthis discussion.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
It was raining, it was sunny.
She's eight months old she wascrawling and she took it.
She, it was the first time.
She made it from the main floorall the way to the second store
and she did it while holdingSuperman in her hand and Trisha
was like ha ha, John, and I'mlike Batman's cooler.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
And he has so many accessories.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Yep, all right, michael, who's your Superman?
An hour later, we're already atact two.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Why did you not stop me from talking?
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I'm sorry actually I can't give you my answer because
we're out of time.
You know it's a tough one, it'san unpopular answer, but I need
to preface that it is just onemovie.
I know that there's a lot of inthis room displeasure with man
(13:56):
of Steel.
Okay, your disclaimer is noted,thank you, but I really enjoyed
man of Steel.
I don't love necessarily thatstyle of filmmaking but I really
got invested in the story, howit builds up to Superman having
to do this horrendous, awfulthing, I felt was what really
(14:17):
totally breaks him and what Ithought would make for an
interesting story moving forward.
We never got to see that storymoving forward because of where
zach snyder decided to takethings you mean martha, martha,
oh my god, your mother's name ismartha too.
We should stop fighting and befriends.
(14:40):
I laughed so hard, I peed I.
I couldn't believe what I waswatching.
I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
This was a funnier die, like you know feature
length.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
But I thought it was interesting because it took that
character to a place thatdefinitely was much darker than
what we had seen.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
It was a bold choice.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
And I think it would have been interesting to see
what happened with thatcharacter as it was told in that
story.
Agreed, but it never proceeded.
It became something entirelydifferent.
But anyway, so that's my answer.
I really enjoyed Henry Cavill'sperformance as Superman and
Clark Kent.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yes, I believe that Henry Cavill is possibly my
Superman in the sense that, likeI very much liked you know what
he was attempting to do.
I feel that I kind of agreewith Trish in the sense that, to
me, man of Steel and prettymuch anything that Cavill was
(15:42):
sadly in and I say sadly inbecause pretty much anything
that Cavill was sadly in, and Isay sadly in because I felt that
their attempt at Superman wasto make him Batman.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah, because Batman makes all the money.
I get where the money peoplewent there they were trying to
do the dark and the-.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
I feel like, yeah, after man of Steel, they were
like, oh wait, we've alreadymade Superman, batman, who's
Batman?
Speaker 3 (16:03):
gonna be Robocop Martha, anyway.
But like, oh wait, we'vealready made Superman Batman.
Who's Batman going to beRobocop Martha, anyway.
But like, so to me you know thehard thing for me is it is sad
that in Batman and Superman, ofall the characters, ben Affleck
was the one that you're like wayto go.
Plot twist Very muchanticipated you being the
(16:27):
weakest link.
Way to step that motherfuckerup, man Right.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Okay, but if we're going to go into that universe,
I watched the Flash movie simplybecause it had my favorite
Batman, michael Keaton, and he'sso good.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Oh, he's so good, he's so good.
I will defend the flashcompletely.
I enjoyed the hell out of thatI did enjoy it personally and I
went into it thinking it wasgoing to be martha more more
martha I really enjoyed thestorytelling and how
self-contained the movie was,while bringing in a multiverse
(17:09):
of everything Right and I feltlike it achieved that in a very
enjoyable way.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
of steel specifically is I did not appreciate that
superman did not try to minimizedamage, or or you know, take,
take, take the bad guys out ofthe mass populace areas.
Let's leave metropolis, yeahlike, whereas, like one of the
things that we, you know, was soentertaining, possibly too
(17:40):
entertaining and too neatlyconvenient in the, the movie
that that you know, the 2025 isthe fact that everybody makes it
out of metropolis as metropolisis.
Is is crumbling, and there'sone building that's going to
land on a car and he manages tostop that.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
It's like okay, well, yeah, they didn't show you all
the people that died obviouslyno, they didn't.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
And then, uh like, like that's the thing is, it's
like I understand that there isgoing to be casualties when you
have like large, uh, superhumans doing things, but at the
same time, one of the thingsthat makes you know, like I
always say, superman's kind of aboy scout, is the fact that,
like to me, he still even as,like you know, an American prop
(18:28):
or a government lackey or BoyScout he would try to minimize
as opposed to Because he's agood person.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
And that was the one thing that really irked me about
Man's Deal, oh yeah, and thatfalls into the category of the
style that I don't appreciate,which is just like mass
destruction, right, like OK, Iget taking Superman into like a,
like just a dark interpretation.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
I mean I did like that Lois Lane had figured it
out like that and that wasamazing, but I did not care for
the fact that he was so dark anddepressed.
He's supposed to be hope andinspiration and be a nice guy,
and here he's really depressed.
And now I'm depressed and itwas just dark.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I wonder to be entirely honest, because you
only saw the movie once.
Right, I did.
Yeah, I think that he's notdepressed.
I've seen the movie multipletimes.
He's not depressed.
He's more, yes, dark andmysterious and brooding, but
that's also because he's livingin like a, a modern world and
trying to hide and a lot of thatis stemming from this
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relationship with his father,where his father kept trying to
hide him because he was like theworld isn't ready for you,
Right?
And he was trying to teach him.
I think that that's actuallyone of the biggest things.
It's like he's trying to teachhim how to be better oh from
dexter how to teach him to bebetter than humans, like be the
(20:00):
best best of us, be better thanus, and so, anyway, I don't know
, I, I, I didn't see it as Idon't, I want to watch it again.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
I do, I want to watch it again, because to me it's
like not, that's not my,whatever, not my uh, james bond
or my batman, like people wewere talking about this earlier
how people have their favoriteincarnation of a very well-known
pop culture character, whetherit be Superman or Batman or the
(20:29):
Doctor, yes, or Doctor who.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
I would even say that people have their favorite Star
Trek.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Oh God, yes, oh for sure, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
I think for me it's next gen only because I grew up
on it more, but then I loved theoriginal, but Next Gen was the
one I watched more often.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
I have ones that I like more and I have ones that I
don't like as much.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
And then I have ones that I'm like.
I love that they're.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
And there are ones that I'm like I love that.
And there are ones that I'mlike I love you so much because
you don't have to fall in thelineup of the rest, like Lower
Decks.
Lower Decks, just its own thing, it is amazing.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
All right, so I think , now that we've divulged into
previous ones, I honestly dohave to say that I was extremely
surprised and delighted by the2025 James Gunn Agreed.
I can honestly say that itsmixture of comedy and heart and
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hope and very interestingjuxtapositions of literal modern
day shite was amazing.
I think possibly the funniestthing I have seen on the big
screen in a while is theheartfelt scene between Clark
and Lois, where they'reessentially having a fight,
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they're having a dispute, and inthe background is the other
heroes attacking a giant spaceimp or something like that.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
That is just like I've got this, just yeah do you
need to know?
No, they're fine, but likethey're having this whole
conversation and you justdoesn't she like bring him some
coffee or some tea or something,and he just like sits down and
just relaxes?
Speaker 3 (22:21):
And that fight goes on in the background for so
freaking long and I just Ilaughed harder and harder and
harder.
I probably pissed off a lot ofpeople who were in the theater
around me Trying to hear thedialogue.
Trying to either hear theirdialogue or just being like dude
.
It is not that funny and I haveto digress.
(22:42):
It was that funny and more.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
But it's true when you think about it.
In this universe you have allthese different superheroes and
yet you know we only usuallyfollow one.
Maybe there's one itty-bittycrossover cameo.
But, usually it's onecharacter's story and the rest
of them are not there.
(23:06):
It's like the rule of only onebad guy can attack you at a time
, except when they decide tobring like three, and then they
were in the movie, but likethat's this thing where it's the
unspoken rule that theyshouldn't overlap too much.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
And.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
I think I like what he did with this.
It's like here I'm going togive you the mess of the world,
but we're going to focus on ourstory.
But it's in the background,because that's this world they
have superheroes.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
And they are corporate.
Yeah, and the way that that wasintroduced I thought at the
very, very start of the moviewas just brilliant.
Like what is it from 300 yearsago to three minutes ago?
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Yeah, it's like 30 years ago, three years ago, boom
yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
And I had no idea that that was going to be the
start of the movie.
No, exactly it was just thestart of the trailer all the
time.
But whoa, I was going to be thestart of the movie, no, exactly
the trailer all the time.
But yep, whoa, I was like, oh,okay, you've got me, that's the
hook, yeah, right I'm sold.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
I understand what's going on and like I will state
that, like leading up to therewas all these you know
commercials and and all and andit had you know green lanterns,
it had crypto, it had thismonster, it had this beast, it
had you know this villain andI'm like like I got panicky,
because what we've learned fromthe MCU is when you jam pack a
bunch of new characters in onemovie you lose story Because
(24:28):
you're focusing on everybody,and Gunn managed to not only
juggle it, but juggle itmasterfully.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
But then he did that with Guardians, because
Guardians had all thesedifferent characters.
Nobody knew them.
True and we had to introducethem all and give them weight
and that's hard to do very fewstories right very few stories
have that play off well and andare able to do that and yeah,
like so.
I had faith that he'd be ableto do it, but yeah, the trailers
(24:57):
made me go.
Oh no, you didn't fall for,like the Spider-Man 3 thing
where we have to throweverything in the kitchen sink.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
No, he did a masterful job at handling that.
I was very pleased.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Mr Fantastic Yep.
What a fascinating characterthat.
I know really nothing about,yep, and I want to know more,
but I felt like I got enough.
It's like he gives you just theright amount of each character,
and then Hawkgirl I mean reallyall of them.
(25:31):
They give you just enough of ataste of each character to get a
really good essence of them andleave you wanting more from
that character, and the onlyreason why we get more of Mr
Fantastic is because he's theone that steps up and goes along
with Lois.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
That's it because you just get a little bit more time
with him, but you get time withhim serving the story that's
being told about Superman, notbecause, we're gonna just focus
on until this side character,until the rest of them do help
become a quasi deus, deus exmachina, in the sense that, you
(26:09):
know, superman can't be in twoplaces at once and, good news,
we've already establishedcharacters so he doesn't need to
be.
You know, he can call up his,his buddies, to help out and
also just showing, like, thedifference.
They are trying to knock thecrap out of this monster and
don't care if there's casualties.
(26:29):
If there is, you know, uh,damage to buildings, people or
other, and you know he's sittingthere then trying to clean up
behind them you know and and doit, and like he doesn't want,
he's like can we?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
we don't have to kill the monster, yeah, we can just
relocate him.
And they're like what?
No?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
yeah, you're like oh, you're so funny superman
whatever yeah, but they yeah,james gunn mentioned there was
one sequence that was part of ascene that he refused to cut,
that test audiences were likeit's got to go and I am so glad
he didn't cut it and it's in themiddle of that scene.
(27:10):
It's when he saves the squirrel.
Oh, he saves the squirrelPeople were like why the hell is
Superman saving a squirrel?
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I mean, don't get me wrong, the squirrel people were
like why the hell is supermansaving us?
Speaker 2 (27:22):
I mean I said the same thing, but at the same time
I was like oh, it's cute, it'scute, it's funny, it's like it's
multiple things.
It's cute, it's funny and it'salso helps serve that character
yeah, even the smallest life, toexactly it's it's in that one
action it goes beyond.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
I'm saving humans, it's all life, and that that was
the thing, that that you know.
Again we go back to man ofsteel.
It's like none of none of thesebuildings had to die right well
right, the millions of peoplein them especially, but the
buildings right well, and um in,uh.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
In this one they make a big deal of being like, hey,
up here, up here, and then hegets you know.
It's like look at all thesepeople we're gonna hurt in this
big building over here, overhere I'm over here um, but uh,
the other thing is lois lane.
If we're gonna have a favoritelois lane, this is my favorite
it's.
It's it.
The the part of her that is thereporter is the most authentic
I, I think.
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I've seen and there's just a lotof depth and nuance that not
only the script brings but theactress brings, and then their
relationship is great.
But it's like, yeah, this LoisLane was amazing, amy was good.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Amy brought a lot of spot.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Oh, I agree, but Rachel.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Brosnahan like yeah, and Margot Kidder was amazing,
Amy was good, Amy brought a lotof spot.
Oh, I agree.
Rachel Brosnahan like yeah, andMargot Kidder was great.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
But I really don't have complaints about Lois.
This is my favorite.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Very pleased with James.
I think that he might actuallypull it off when it comes to
what I believe I've said this onany number of podcasts whenever
the MCU comes up is the factthat the MCU is is starting to
crest.
It's, it's, it's a wave that Ifeel is breaking, and it it you
know well, they have some greatstuff, but yeah, but James
(29:13):
Gunn's DCU has an opportunity tobe the wave that goes over the
top and rides it out yeahbecause which will only give the
mcu time to potentiallyreconfigure and do the exact
same thing, and if the two justsit there and continue to lap.
Because he's learned a lot fromjust from also working in in the
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mcu
Speaker 2 (29:36):
yeah but from, from you know, being the first, first
one through to do this reallylong form, multi-feature film
storytelling.
You can't just tell a storythat, yes, when you look back on
it five years later, that itonly feels like it's there to
serve the next bigger story asopposed to his approach with
(30:00):
this is every film is going tohave its own, its own feel, its
own, its own story, and it'sgoing to be its story and, yes,
there will be a bigger story,but they're not going to do like
these tidbits yeah yeah, it'sabout which one's ready.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
next right, start it here's one of the things that I
think is interesting with dcu,um and mcu from, okay, from the
original dc, what ed, whatever,um, I want to say edu and like,
nope, it's not education but bg.
(30:39):
Before gun, um, that form, uh,how they had a lot of problems
trying to.
It's like they were playingcatch up.
They were trying to do what mcuwas doing right and they kept
sputtering out and I was like,uh, I wanted to get in the room
with the, the bosses, I wantedto be in the room where it
happens, you know.
And I wanted to be like guys,you can't catch up, that's dumb.
(31:03):
You're already this far behindbecause of time.
You know what would reallyserve you.
Well, you have these TV shows.
They are good TV shows.
Like, what you need to do isbring them all together in a
movie.
You want to do that.
Then you've got that, then youcan catch up.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
You've also got the fan base.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
You've already got the fan base You've already
built up.
You have crossovers in theshows.
Now would that have worked?
Maybe, maybe not it definitelywould have been better than what
happened in my mind, becauseI've decided that Don't you
knock Martha.
But if they had listened to me,we would never have had Martha.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
And I mean, come on, that's important, it's true, the
Martha, you, we need that, theMartha you, martha, moments the
Martha.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Cinematic Universe, the MCU, in.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
DCU.
So true, but then so theirproblem was storytelling.
They couldn't get the storiesto get together.
They had problems withstorytelling.
Meanwhile, marvel storytellingoh, so great.
But the problem with that isreality.
Actors phase out, pass awayThings, take directions that
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they can't anticipate, and thentheir story gets all like oh,
pass away Things, takedirections that they can't
anticipate, and then their storygets all like oh, crud.
We were going to solve thatover here, but now I've got to
throw it over here and therewrite they're writing while
they're filming and it'sbecoming like they've lost
control of the story.
It's gotten away from them andwhat Gunn seems to be doing is
taking it back to character andreally, without characters there
(32:41):
is no story right.
And this was such a greatrevision, re-envisioning of
Superman, and it leans a lot.
It does a lot with the comics,which I love.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
We're going to take a few minutes to refill our
glasses and get ready to imbibemore after this.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
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Speaker 3 (33:54):
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Speaker 2 (33:59):
Michael Nowens.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
And we are discussing Superman.
The 2025 one, at least, is what?
Speaker 1 (34:05):
we landed on.
Is that what its name is?
Speaker 3 (34:07):
It's just be Superman 2025.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
I feel like everybody says that Superman Well it's
Superman, but like when you,it's the one that came out in
2025.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
You have to give it the qualification of that, in
the sense that that way theyknow which one you're talking
about.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Well, and I'm sure it'll be like the gun Superman,
the Donner Superman, dependingon who you're talking to Donner
party of five.
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We'll say somethinginflammatory enough that the
trolls will come after us maybeit might be this episode.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
It could be all the snyderverse people are gonna be
like what the fuck?
Speaker 3 (35:03):
I love martha, the marthaematic Universe.
Don't you destroy my MCU, allright.
So right before the break Trick, you were about to start
discussing cinema and comics.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yes, the switch in the medium and stories, when
they are told in differentmediums, are told differently.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
That will be an official podcast quote.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Okay.
So here's the thing.
No, we all know this.
You can't put a novel in amovie.
It doesn't work.
Everybody gets angry.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
No, you do a limited series.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Yes, you do, you can do them in the series and then
people kind of get what theyneed out of it, right, because
then you can spend 12 hours,right?
So the comics do like what themovies do over time, where you
will have like this OK, we'vefought all the monsters we
fought them together and then wekind of like reach an apex and
(36:06):
then we run out of steam andthen we have to reinvent and
reboot and reimagine and startagain and it takes a while, and
I think we I just saw somebodycomment on this and how it's
like, yes, and that's what themovies do, except they do it and
it costs a lot more money.
So here's the thing that I likeis that stories that go back to
canon like when they rebootedStar Trek, they were like, all
(36:29):
right, we're going to put thered shirt in, so you know who's
going to die on this mission.
We're going to put in somethingfor people who love this and
know it well, so they can go.
Ah, I see what you did, butthen all of us who have no idea
can enjoy it, and we don't needthat.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Right.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
And I think what Gunn does is he incorporates stuff
from the comics that a lot of usdidn't know, but we don't need
to know.
Just like crypto comes from thecomics, and also crypto is
inspired by James Gunn's dog,yeah, who is described as a bad
(37:14):
dog, just a bad dog, not like amean dog, just a bad behaved dog
.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
They did a full scan of his dog, and so that is a
digital version of james gunn'sdog and I love that.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
It's just a dog, it's a.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
It's a dog that has not been trained well well,
because like, how can you traina super dog?
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Right, and how much pain that dog causes Superman.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Oh my God, Superman, mr Fantastic, he doesn't hurt.
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
I love that we all get that moment to realize wait,
that's a ball, oh no.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
No, no, no, no, no, no Wait that's a ball.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Oh, no, oh shit, no, no, no, no, no, no, come back,
come back come back.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, but he's just a dog and I do enjoy that.
You don't really know thesituation with Crypto.
Yes, there's just this reallykind of bizarre reference at one
point where he's like.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
It's a foster situation.
And you're like wait what.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
All right, we'll put a pin in that, but you better
explain that later.
And then they do yes, um, andit makes so much, so much sense
and I love how everybody's likeyou have a dog like how do we
know he?
Really cares about that dog andthen like how you contain a dog
like that and it involves cgisquirrels literally trying to
exhaust with cgi squirrels thatalso have superman capes oh my
god, lex was dark yeah now Imean I know a lot of us can't
think that a billionaire wouldget crazy and go psychotic in
the world.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
You know, it's one of those things that I'm just I'm
willing to.
Suspension of disbeliefabsolutely.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
I mean far fetched, but yeah, we went along that
journey.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
We went with that right, but he does such a great
job oh he's, he's my, he's myfavorite honestly.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Yes, yeah, At the end of the movie I mean I very much
enjoyed the whole thing, but astime goes on it's his
performance is just.
I'm sure I will get more out ofit on a second viewing.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
But having only seen it once.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
I was very unexpectedly engaged in the Lex
Luthor journey.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Yeah, and he did such an amazing job of ramping.
Um, I mean you, you took hispath and and, uh, you know it's
one of those situations theyalways say you know the kick,
kick the cat save the cat, savethe cat the kick the cat when he
ends up killing the falafel guyit was just like oh shit.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
And his reaction to it.
Oh, I really thought that wasgoing to go on.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
It's going to last longer?
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Yeah, oh well, you're like, you are fucking evil.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
And I will say that about James Gunn too is his
villains.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
He does a really great job with villains.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Yeah, In the past, when it comes to the villains
like Gene Hackman's, Lex Luthorwas more comical.
Yes, he was more like.
He was more, yeah, he was morelike if Batman had an Adam, one
of Adam West's villains he was.
He wasn't as scary as he wasentertaining.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
I mean, he had some great ideas but, yes, he was
more about camp and comedy thanhe was about menacing and
manipulative.
I mean, he gave ChristopherReeve a number of interesting
choices where it was like, youknow, he actually was
outsmarting him in the sensethat he'd put two different
(40:32):
things in two completelydifferent areas, being like oh
and like I'm.
I'm not waxing poetics ormonologuing, they actually are
about to hit, like right now,like this is not, like I'm
launching in a few minutes, likeno, it's already too late.
You, I'm launching in a fewminutes, like no, it's already
too late.
You know, I mean, he was, hewas being smarter then.
And then who knew that?
You know, Superman could be ajerk and rewind time.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Yeah, but only enough to save Lois, not everybody
else.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
No, correct, because that's how Superman ends right,
with him flying around the world.
The, the 1978 yeah, yeah andthat's one of the things.
Just as a reference, that's oneof the things that was filmed,
but it was for superman 2, notsuperman superman had a totally
(41:24):
different ending.
That was the end of superman,or part of Superman 2.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
This is really interesting, and that's why.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Superman 2, I think, also ends the exact same way, or
something similar.
No, it's a repeat, so anyway.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Maybe that's why I don't remember the end of the
movie.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Just balancing the ensemble.
I think it just really goes tospeak towards james gunn, the
way that he balances hisensemble against his villain.
Um yeah, they're just verymemorable.
I mean, immediately, what comesto mind is, um, you know,
volume two, uh, guardians.
Volume two, uh, guardiansvolume two, I feel like Kurt
(42:06):
Russell's villain as his fatheris just almost unmatched.
It's just, you really areinvested in that conflict.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
And it's very internal.
You know, yeah, um, as a viewer, it's personal, it feels very
personal, oh yeah, and he findsa way to do that.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
It feels very personal.
Oh yeah, and he finds a way todo that.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Not in a Martha way, not in a Martha way, but he
finds a way of doing that.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
All of this is long past.
We know that Lex and Supermanwhether Superman's necessarily
aware of it their feud has beengoing on for a while, at least
in Lex's head.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Oh yeah, and the fact that he's got all of his moves
categorized into a whole indexof.
He knows every move he's goingto make before he makes it.
Just that whole introduction ofLex and him just calling out
these moves.
You're like, oh man.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Well, and it's one of those things like, as humans we
can, you can obsess aboutsomething you love or you can
obsess about something you hate,and how dark that gets Like
your whole world is about onething and it's something you
hate, and that that's just like,and you don't see it because
you're so focused, you're sodown that rabbit hole yeah, um,
(43:34):
I was gonna say, uh, I doappreciate is that superman's
parents are, uh, his adoptedparents are both alive, like um
and, and they're adorable yesthey are so adorable.
I love how it's like every,every set of parents ever.
It's like they're calling, he'snot getting back to them.
(43:54):
They're like they've left himlike 20 voicemails and they're
like we don't want to bother you, but are you okay?
Speaker 3 (44:04):
neva howell and pruitt taylor vince yeah, they
were.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
They were both fantastic, yep yeah, but then,
uh, you also have like uh a, uha birth father villain kind of
thought.
It's like wow, now you broughtup star lord's origin.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
I'm like huh absentee father, not good bad person and
I'm trying to recall, and, andyou know, I, I, whether it's you
know, age or whatnot.
I don't recall whether or notum, the, the message from their
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you know, his birth parents wasto rule over, or if that was
just this interpretation I thinkit was just.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
I don't know my understanding.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Yeah, I don't know either, but my understanding is
this was his interpretation andit was a, a, very for for
jarring yeah but it doesn't, andand I think the reason why is
because you know, I think I readsomething about how he was like
it doesn't fundamentally changethe character.
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In fact, it helps fuel who?
Speaker 1 (45:18):
that character is, and I want to know more about
Supergirl.
I want to be like what do youknow?
Right.
What's going on.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
That's another good point, actually, because, yeah,
you would think she would knowmore or be different.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
Am I understanding this correctly, that Supergirl
is actually?
Speaker 1 (45:35):
older yes.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Yes and so she was like in cryo or something like
that, right.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
Yeah, something happened to her pod.
She was supposed to be sentalong with him, right?
And she was like six or I meanshe was definitely older.
He was an infant newborn.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
So where she was like more frozen in time while he
grew up on Earth, and then, yeah, Her pod.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Something happened to her pod and it did not make the
journey quickly, whereas helanded and was raised, she lands
later and is still, you know,roughly the age she was, which
she was, and I recall watching asuper girl, the original movie
with with Peter O'Toole, and itwas.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
It's funny Cause it's one of those things where it's
like I saw it when I was a kidand I was like, oh, Supergirl,
and then I saw it with the girlsand I hadn't.
I saw it once as a kid, Right.
So there's a whole bunch that Idon't remember, but it is one
of those things like where youhear something you haven't heard
since you were a child orwhatever, and it brings you back
immediately to like thisemotional time travel, to like
(46:45):
oh, I am now eight for 30seconds and then poop and I'm
back.
Speaker 4 (46:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
And yeah, so that happened.
I was like, wow, I appreciatedPeter Ochoa so much for a child
because he's the only one Iremember from the movie.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
Although it's he left an impression.
He did.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
I felt bad for him.
It doesn't go well for him.
All right, are we poking thebear now?
Speaker 3 (47:09):
sure, oh yeah, let's, let's, let's bear that poke all
right.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
So, um, this film, at the time of this recording this
film had an 83 percent uh,rotten tomato um score.
Uh, after 466 reviews, it's gota 91% popcorn rating, which is
the audience.
So the first one is fromFilmSpotting.
(47:35):
And they say I could neverquite reconcile James Gunn's
glibness and goofiness with hissadistic streak Interesting, I
need more, right.
Well, he has made two moviescome to mind that I've seen,
that I can understand this okayum, uh, he did a uh, I think.
(48:01):
I think it might have been hisfirst comic book movie, but it
was with rain, wilson um and itwas called super um and it is
fucked up I remember I watchedthe boys um, possibly I've never
watched the boys.
Oh, it's dark, um, but uh, itis really.
Uh, it's an uncomfortable watch, um, uh, but anyway, he
(48:25):
directed that that um and uh itwas.
It was an indie film, for sure.
Speaker 4 (48:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
And so it was Rainn Wilson and, I believe, um.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
Elliot Page, Luke Tyler, Kevin Bacon.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Wow, yeah, good cast.
And I would say uh.
From my memory of it, I couldsee the word sadistic, uh, from
my memory of it, I could see theword sadistic, um, uh.
But more recently, um, volumethree, um was a very, for me, a
very uncomfortable viewingbecause of the animal cruelty.
(49:00):
Um, I, I really respect what hewas trying to do and I think he
did do that.
I just wasn't, I wasn'tprepared for it and I was very
uncomfortable with it, and Ithink that that was the point.
So, anyway, when I, when I wasreading this, I saw it as the
reviewer was really like havingissue with how do you, how do
(49:24):
you, how do you have these twothings that are like polar
opposites and yet it doesn't gelfor them.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
It doesn't gel for them where it works for other
people.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
Okay, to that end, I could see that the argument that
I would make, and one that Ifeel is necessary as somebody
who tries to do this, this kindof art In the theater, in the
theater or films, In the cinema.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
What is it?
Oh, is it Superman?
Back to the Reeve one Histeacher said you know, don't do
big movies Like in Juilliard.
He's like don't do these moviesLike you want to do.
You do serious work.
You do serious work becauseyou're a serious actor and you
have the talent.
And you do serious work unlessthey pay you a lot of money.
Speaker 4 (50:12):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:14):
And that worked out.
And that worked out.
That was an interesting bear.
Is there another bear?
Speaker 2 (50:19):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right.
So the Beverly Hills Couriersays call me old fashioned,
you're old-fashioned.
Call me old-fashioned, but Ilike a story with a beginning,
middle and end with characters Ican root for and those I can
boo.
Filling the screen with robotsand hideously unappetizing
(50:40):
hybrid lizard monsters doesn'twork for me I find it
interesting, unappetizing thankyou, that is the word that I was
stuck with too I had to read itwhile you're watching.
I had to read it multiple timesto make sure that it wasn't a
different word, but it wasappetizing, and so that's why I
want to know, I want to knowwhat an appetizing monster they
(51:03):
eat a lot of lizards.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
Some appetizing lizard.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
Are they like a reptile eater?
Maybe Like extra alligator allthe time I?
Speaker 3 (51:12):
love that.
It's extra alligator, Like youknow.
Not just a little bit oh no, Ihad my main course.
Now I'm going to have someextra alligator.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
There's like extra side, yeah, but when you tell
this kind of story it is hard tomake it have that like
beginning, middle and and we'redone like you have to have
something that gives you closureand feel satisfied on some
level.
But these are stories thatthey're more like serials, like
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they've always been where andthen the next adventure, and
then next week when the nextadventure, and they take place
in a world full of adventures,so it's so full of them that you
can have a you know spat withyour significant other while a
space intergalactic imp is inthe background, is in the
background you know beingpaddled
Speaker 2 (52:02):
all right, last one is time magazine says sadly
there's almost zero magic injames gunn's superman.
It's special effects are morespecial effects are more
overbearing than special.
The plot is all problem solvingand no poetry.
Speaker 3 (52:20):
Wow wow, see, whereas I my my argument in that one uh
is twofold uh, I'll go with theone.
That was not the one that mademe giggle, but I'll do that one
in a second To me.
The substance, you know,everything is in Lex Luthor.
(52:41):
I mean, the poetry is in whathe is doing.
I mean he's masterfully donethis and figured it all out.
It's just.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
The moment when the little nano things engulf him.
I'm like oh yeah.
Yeah, how do you?
Speaker 3 (53:04):
get out of this.
I don't understand.
How are you?
Speaker 2 (53:06):
going to you get out of this?
I don't, I don't understand how.
How are you going to recoverfrom this?
Yeah, and the, the, you know,fight for survival.
Yeah, that defies all odds.
Uh, yet makes sense.
Yep, I was like oh yeah, yeah,I mean, and that's that's,
that's like the end game.
(53:27):
Lex is like right there on theverge of getting everything.
He wanted.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
Yep, I just want to sit down with this person and go
tell me about your poetry.
I want to know what film foryou brings the poetry when it
comes to this type of movie,because I'm not making fun.
I'm like I get what they'resaying in a way, but I do think
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it would be very interesting toknow what.
What is what works for them?
What?
Speaker 2 (53:56):
is that poetry um and because I can understand
special effects being uhoverbearing in a movie oh god, I
mean, we talked about that withman of steel overbearing in a
movie.
Oh god, I mean, we talked aboutthat with uh, man of steel
overbearing, completely like itjust overtakes the movie at the
same time, I will state that ofcourse there wasn't magic uh
he's, he's a superhero not drstrange.
Speaker 4 (54:16):
Um, yeah, not dr strange, that would be z for
zatara yes, that is the dc.
Speaker 3 (54:22):
Uh, you know magician slash wizard, um.
So yeah, of course there wasn'tany magic in this film.
Real quick thing I want to say.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
I love about superhero movies and superheroes
.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
What do you love about superhero movies and
superheroes?
Speaker 1 (54:35):
Recently, I'm just going to point out math math
mathing, math.
I just love that math can winand that is amazing, like
Spider-Man beats Dr Strange withmath with math, math and that
is amazing.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
Like Spider-Man beats Doctor Strange With math.
With math, math beats magicDone.
This is just geometry.
I can do this Right.
Speaker 1 (54:55):
And then a film that I think is underrated is
Lightyear, buzz Lightyear'sorigin story and in that he's a
space cowboy and everything isgoing wrong with his re-entry
and the computer is telling himto eject and everything is wrong
and he's like, but he's, heknows better than computer, he's
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gonna do it on his own.
What does he do?
He does a math.
He does math emergency math onthe, on the windshield, and then
he saves the day.
And I'm like I just loveteaching kids that we can save
the day using math.
Really, it makes me cry.
I'm so happy about it.
I wish somebody had told me Icould save the day with math,
(55:38):
because I suck at math.
Speaker 3 (55:39):
We greatly appreciate our listeners for choosing this
podcast supporting independentfilm and the Blue Whiskey
Independent Film Festival.
I'm Jonathan Seelight, andthanks for imbibing with us,
Cheers.
Okay, so which Superman had Russell Crowe as
his dad?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
That is that one.
Yeah, that is man of Steel.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Okay, and then which one had Kevin Costner as his dad
?
No, okay, oh, there were bothJesus Christ, so Russell Crowe
is his real father.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Kevin Costner is the man who raises him and gets
nom-noms, but they were both.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Robin.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Hood, when was?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Russell Crowe, robin Hood, relatively recently.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
You're shiting me.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
No, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
So confused.
This was 20-fucking-10?
.
Was I dead?
Greetings and or salutations,and welcome to Imbibe Cinema.
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The Imbibe Cinema podcast isbrought to you by the Blue
Whiskey Independent FilmFestival, otherwise known as BWF
.
I'm Jonathan C Leggett, alongwith my co-host, Trisha Leggett,
as well as our producer.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Michael Nowens.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
In this episode we are going to be discussing the
2025 Superman slash DCU JamesGunn reboot.
The cocktail we are imbibing iscalled the Superman.
It has grenadine and coconutvodka, or, in this case, coconut
rum, and blue curacao andpineapple juice.
It is quite a pretty drink,very patriotic, and that goes
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along with the true justice andthe American way, although that
particular phrase has changedmany times over the long storied
career of superman, in which ithas been in just truth and
justice.
Truth justice, the american way.
It has been a fight for truth,justice, the american way.
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Truth, justice and freedom.
Truth Justice, the American Way.
Truth Justice and Freedom,justice and Peace for All
Mankind.
These have all been like in the1970s, so it has changed a lot
over the extensive yeah,rebranding.
But anyway, the recipe, as wellas pictures, are available on
our website, imbibecinemacom.
(02:20):
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and feature length independentfilms that you can enjoy for
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Speaker 2 (02:38):
You know this is good .
We're continuing season threeand keeping the tradition of
John basically being one drinkin as we start.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
And I doubled mine.
It's an Emmy.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
It was an accident and you can watch it on our
Instagram in real time.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
An accident the actual oops moment.
Yeah, the realization.
This is not going to fit,unless I go red, red, red, red,
red, red, blue, anyway.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
So that's a pop quiz.
What movie is that referencing?
Very loosely, very loosely,text us about that next time.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Well, hell, let's start with a question to each of
us.
And we'll start with Trish, whois your Superman.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Well, I think in my case it's more of the first
Superman imprinted on me andthat's like baby chick, like
Christopher Reeves, okay yeah,and I have enjoyed Superman 3
because I was a kid and RichardPryor is funny.
(03:48):
In the eighties kids couldwatch.
For those of us old enough toremember, that was the first big
superhero movie, um, and thatcame out in 78.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, 78.
That sounds right.
So did we can.
Yes, you came out in 78 too.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
That's why he's my favorite, and Superman 3 came
out in 1983.
Right, and for those of us whowere that age, it was great yeah
.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Did you enjoy Superman 4?
I don't remember 4.
Okay, that's probably a goodthing.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
I hear it was Superman 4?
.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Superman 4 iconically is Christopher.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Reeves' Swan Song.
It's the end of the ChristopherReeves movies and it has a
whole star lineup Cryers in it.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yeah, john Cryers in it.
Jim Hackman, margot Kidder,margot Kidder, jackie Cooper,
what's her name?
Mark?
Speaker 1 (04:43):
McClure.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Mariel.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Hemingway.
Yes, wait, the bad guy is hisname, pillow Mark.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Pillow.
Yes, mark, pillow Mark.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Pillow.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
He plays a nuclear man who is the clone of.
Superman.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
I do not remember this movie but luckily we
watched Chad the Bird, who I'm abig fan of.
Always fun facts and he talksabout how people say this is the
worst film and he's like andthat is not true, because the
worst Superman movie ever madeis Superman 4.
And then he breaks down why andhe makes some valid points
(05:24):
Enough for you to be like maybeI need to see it but I shouldn't
.
But it's like bad.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, I've never seen it.
I've never seen it.
I don't think I've seen two,three or four.
I think I've just seen theoriginal Superman.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Oh, I think you've seen two.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
If I've seen two.
I just don't remember it.
But I do know.
I do know that there was a lotof behind the scenes drama with
Superman and the you know thewhole infamous Donner cut
situation, because they hadfilmed pieces of Superman and
Superman 2 at the same time.
(06:02):
Right and another director camein and finished Superman and
there are sequences where theycouldn't get Gene Hackman, and
so there are sequences of themovie where either it's not Gene
Hackman there or it is GeneHackman there and it's somebody
else voicing Gene Hackman.
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It's fascinating, oh wow,because they were doing
something slightly different andit's done in a way where you,
you don't even, you don't evenrealize it until it's pointed
out to you.
There's a video that I foundthat that does this.
I can share that to ourlisteners so you can check that
out and and it's superfascinating, I think to watch
the movie after having all thesethings pointed out to you I do
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remember hearing there was a lotof like, well, it's gonna be
silly, it's gonna, and yet theyapproached it.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Which such?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
this is mythos, this is huge, this is like serious
you will believe a man can flyis like the whole slogan that
yeah, that's the tagline.
You think this is ridiculous,but you will believe it.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah, we're going to sell you on that and it did, it
did.
But then also Christopher Reevehe went to Juilliard and when
he took this project, when heaccepted it, he treated it
seriously and he did so muchwork to make sure that all the
movement when he was flying,worked very hard to make sure
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that that and that's a lot ofwork to make sure it looked like
he was flying and he took itseriously, like it was this big,
serious role and I think that,along with the way Donner
visioned it, that makes themovie If they were too silly
about it, I mean, who knows andit set the tone for everything
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that followed.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Well, almost, but we'll get to that.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Okay, I say, spider-man 3 is silly.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I was just going to say, at least, if you're saying
it, set the tone for everySuperman after that.
No, no, you're right?
Speaker 1 (08:04):
No, it set the tone for every Superman after that.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
No, no, you're right.
No, it set the tone forsuperhero movies.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah, so that and Superman first was it was
serials, they were shorts, right, and then they got more and
more popular, and in the 50s Icould be wrong, it could be late
40s, but in the 50s I think theSuperman was played by
Christopher Reeves and he wasone of those people.
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He became known for the roleand couldn't get work outside of
that which has happened at,like you know, william Shatner
and Christopher Plummer and alot of people, where you have a
hard time with your careerafterwards, and then there's a
whole documentary on it.
I strongly suggest checking itout.
It's very interesting.
The official story is hecommitted suicide, but when you
look back at it it really doeslook like somebody murdered the
(08:53):
man.
Oh dear, yeah, very sad.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Not to get conspiratorial apparently.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
No, no, but that's what documentaries are for.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
True, to spread conspiracy theories.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
To make you question history?
Oh, okay.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Do you know what the opposite of Christopher Reeve
was?
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Oh no.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Christopher Walken oh , so bad you did that.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Boo Beautiful.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Also another great documentary, the Christopher
Reeve Superman documentary.
Oh sure I haven't seen it yet.
Oh my god, you'll cry.
It's beautiful, um, yeah, likeI think when he's interviewed
before the accident, he's likeI'm not a hero, I just play one.
And I think a hero is somebodywho does an act of heroism
without thinking of theconsequences, and that was his
definition.
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And then, after the, accidentwhen he brings awareness to all
these people who go unseen andraises money for funding and
changes people's lives with hisactivism and puts a face on
something that people weren'ttalking about.
He says I think I've seen realheroes and they're people.
They're ordinary people.
I don't.
I don't think I'm quoting thiscorrectly.
(10:14):
So watch the movie, cause it'sreally good.
All right, yeah, but yeah.
But it's one of the thingsabout Superman why Reeve is my
favorite because Superman, he'soptimism, he's humanity, can
move forward and be better.
He's just.
Batman is dark and depressing,but Superman is okay.
(10:34):
I'm sorry he's not okay, he'scool.
I'm not gonna say he's not coolbut he's a tortured soul.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
John really hasn't said anything.
Well, I mean, and here's thething he gets defensive I do,
because in our house it's like alot.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Well, I mean, and here's the thing he gets
defensive, I do because in ourhouse it's like a lot of people
you know have Cub fans, sox fans, packer fans Bear fans.
In our house we are Supermanand Batman, and that is.
That divide has happened.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I love that you're even dressed appropriately,
you're wearing blue and he'swearing black.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yes, Now we're really really really dark gray.
Our kids All right, sosomething sweet to be done about
your kids.
Sorry, 14 months.
How much did she drink I?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
don't know.
I just finished hers thatWaterloo is hitting her real
hard.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Okay, okay, okay.
So we're just about 14 monthsold and somebody gave her oh no,
I know it was Morgan Morgan.
Yeah, morgan, she gave us theseDC Fisher price superhero
little figures and they'readorable, and there was Superman
and there was green lantern andwonder woman and Batman and.
Batman and Joker, joker and batgirl and Robin, because Batman
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always works alone, except whenhe has an entourage.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Anyway, and he was also the only villain was Joker.
So again, anyway.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
So here's the thing we have this totally innocent
child and we open up the packageand we put them all out in
front of her and she looks atthem and she's so excited and I
think the first thing she'sgoing to do is pick up one of
them and just stick it in hermouth because she's teething,
right, sure, but no, not ourdaughter.
She picks up Superman andBatman.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Wait no, first she picked up.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Green.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Lantern and hawked him across the room.
Then she picks up Superman andBatman.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
And Ryan Reynolds would have appreciated that.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Exactly.
She's like no, you don't belong.
And then she makes up Batmanand Superman and she looks at
them and then she makes themfight.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
She starts hitting them together.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
We're like oh my God, how do you know this?
And then she chose Superman.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah, she chose Superman.
And took him with her upstairseight months, at eight months
old, crawled all the way.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
No I said 14 months, I don't know.
No, no, I feel like we've hadthis discussion.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
It was raining, it was sunny.
She's eight months old she wascrawling and she took it.
She, it was the first time.
She made it from the main floorall the way to the second store
and she did it while holdingSuperman in her hand and Trisha
was like ha ha, John, and I'mlike Batman's cooler.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
And he has so many accessories.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Yep, all right, michael, who's your Superman?
An hour later, we're already atact two.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Why did you not stop me from talking?
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I'm sorry actually I can't give you my answer because
we're out of time.
You know it's a tough one, it'san unpopular answer, but I need
to preface that it is just onemovie.
I know that there's a lot of inthis room displeasure with man
(13:56):
of Steel.
Okay, your disclaimer is noted,thank you, but I really enjoyed
man of Steel.
I don't love necessarily thatstyle of filmmaking but I really
got invested in the story, howit builds up to Superman having
to do this horrendous, awfulthing, I felt was what really
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totally breaks him and what Ithought would make for an
interesting story moving forward.
We never got to see that storymoving forward because of where
zach snyder decided to takethings you mean martha, martha,
oh my god, your mother's name ismartha too.
We should stop fighting and befriends.
(14:40):
I laughed so hard, I peed I.
I couldn't believe what I waswatching.
I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
This was a funnier die, like you know feature
length.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
But I thought it was interesting because it took that
character to a place thatdefinitely was much darker than
what we had seen.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
It was a bold choice.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
And I think it would have been interesting to see
what happened with thatcharacter as it was told in that
story.
Agreed, but it never proceeded.
It became something entirelydifferent.
But anyway, so that's my answer.
I really enjoyed Henry Cavill'sperformance as Superman and
Clark Kent.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yes, I believe that Henry Cavill is possibly my
Superman in the sense that, likeI very much liked you know what
he was attempting to do.
I feel that I kind of agreewith Trish in the sense that, to
me, man of Steel and prettymuch anything that Cavill was
(15:42):
sadly in and I say sadly inbecause pretty much anything
that Cavill was sadly in, and Isay sadly in because I felt that
their attempt at Superman wasto make him Batman.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah, because Batman makes all the money.
I get where the money peoplewent there they were trying to
do the dark and the-.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
I feel like, yeah, after man of Steel, they were
like, oh wait, we've alreadymade Superman, batman, who's
Batman?
Speaker 3 (16:03):
gonna be Robocop Martha, anyway.
But like, oh wait, we'vealready made Superman Batman.
Who's Batman going to beRobocop Martha, anyway.
But like, so to me you know thehard thing for me is it is sad
that in Batman and Superman, ofall the characters, ben Affleck
was the one that you're like wayto go.
Plot twist Very muchanticipated you being the
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weakest link.
Way to step that motherfuckerup, man Right.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Okay, but if we're going to go into that universe,
I watched the Flash movie simplybecause it had my favorite
Batman, michael Keaton, and he'sso good.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Oh, he's so good, he's so good.
I will defend the flashcompletely.
I enjoyed the hell out of thatI did enjoy it personally and I
went into it thinking it wasgoing to be martha more more
martha I really enjoyed thestorytelling and how
self-contained the movie was,while bringing in a multiverse
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of everything Right and I feltlike it achieved that in a very
enjoyable way.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
of steel specifically is I did not appreciate that
superman did not try to minimizedamage, or or you know, take,
take, take the bad guys out ofthe mass populace areas.
Let's leave metropolis, yeahlike, whereas, like one of the
things that we, you know, was soentertaining, possibly too
(17:40):
entertaining and too neatlyconvenient in the, the movie
that that you know, the 2025 isthe fact that everybody makes it
out of metropolis as metropolisis.
Is is crumbling, and there'sone building that's going to
land on a car and he manages tostop that.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
It's like okay, well, yeah, they didn't show you all
the people that died obviouslyno, they didn't.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
And then, uh like, like that's the thing is, it's
like I understand that there isgoing to be casualties when you
have like large, uh, superhumans doing things, but at the
same time, one of the thingsthat makes you know, like I
always say, superman's kind of aboy scout, is the fact that,
like to me, he still even as,like you know, an American prop
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or a government lackey or BoyScout he would try to minimize
as opposed to Because he's agood person.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
And that was the one thing that really irked me about
Man's Deal, oh yeah, and thatfalls into the category of the
style that I don't appreciate,which is just like mass
destruction, right, like OK, Iget taking Superman into like a,
like just a dark interpretation.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
I mean I did like that Lois Lane had figured it
out like that and that wasamazing, but I did not care for
the fact that he was so dark anddepressed.
He's supposed to be hope andinspiration and be a nice guy,
and here he's really depressed.
And now I'm depressed and itwas just dark.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I wonder to be entirely honest, because you
only saw the movie once.
Right, I did.
Yeah, I think that he's notdepressed.
I've seen the movie multipletimes.
He's not depressed.
He's more, yes, dark andmysterious and brooding, but
that's also because he's livingin like a, a modern world and
trying to hide and a lot of thatis stemming from this
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relationship with his father,where his father kept trying to
hide him because he was like theworld isn't ready for you,
Right?
And he was trying to teach him.
I think that that's actuallyone of the biggest things.
It's like he's trying to teachhim how to be better oh from
dexter how to teach him to bebetter than humans, like be the
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best best of us, be better thanus, and so, anyway, I don't know
, I, I, I didn't see it as Idon't, I want to watch it again.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
I do, I want to watch it again, because to me it's
like not, that's not my,whatever, not my uh, james bond
or my batman, like people wewere talking about this earlier
how people have their favoriteincarnation of a very well-known
pop culture character, whetherit be Superman or Batman or the
(20:29):
Doctor, yes, or Doctor who.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
I would even say that people have their favorite Star
Trek.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Oh God, yes, oh for sure, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
I think for me it's next gen only because I grew up
on it more, but then I loved theoriginal, but Next Gen was the
one I watched more often.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
I have ones that I like more and I have ones that I
don't like as much.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
And then I have ones that I'm like.
I love that they're.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
And there are ones that I'm like I love that.
And there are ones that I'mlike I love you so much because
you don't have to fall in thelineup of the rest, like Lower
Decks.
Lower Decks, just its own thing, it is amazing.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
All right, so I think , now that we've divulged into
previous ones, I honestly dohave to say that I was extremely
surprised and delighted by the2025 James Gunn Agreed.
I can honestly say that itsmixture of comedy and heart and
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hope and very interestingjuxtapositions of literal modern
day shite was amazing.
I think possibly the funniestthing I have seen on the big
screen in a while is theheartfelt scene between Clark
and Lois, where they'reessentially having a fight,
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they're having a dispute, and inthe background is the other
heroes attacking a giant spaceimp or something like that.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
That is just like I've got this, just yeah do you
need to know?
No, they're fine, but likethey're having this whole
conversation and you justdoesn't she like bring him some
coffee or some tea or something,and he just like sits down and
just relaxes?
Speaker 3 (22:21):
And that fight goes on in the background for so
freaking long and I just Ilaughed harder and harder and
harder.
I probably pissed off a lot ofpeople who were in the theater
around me Trying to hear thedialogue.
Trying to either hear theirdialogue or just being like dude
.
It is not that funny and I haveto digress.
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It was that funny and more.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
But it's true when you think about it.
In this universe you have allthese different superheroes and
yet you know we only usuallyfollow one.
Maybe there's one itty-bittycrossover cameo.
But, usually it's onecharacter's story and the rest
of them are not there.
(23:06):
It's like the rule of only onebad guy can attack you at a time
, except when they decide tobring like three, and then they
were in the movie, but likethat's this thing where it's the
unspoken rule that theyshouldn't overlap too much.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
And.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
I think I like what he did with this.
It's like here I'm going togive you the mess of the world,
but we're going to focus on ourstory.
But it's in the background,because that's this world they
have superheroes.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
And they are corporate.
Yeah, and the way that that wasintroduced I thought at the
very, very start of the moviewas just brilliant.
Like what is it from 300 yearsago to three minutes ago?
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Yeah, it's like 30 years ago, three years ago, boom
yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
And I had no idea that that was going to be the
start of the movie.
No, exactly it was just thestart of the trailer all the
time.
But whoa, I was going to be thestart of the movie, no, exactly
the trailer all the time.
But yep, whoa, I was like, oh,okay, you've got me, that's the
hook, yeah, right I'm sold.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
I understand what's going on and like I will state
that, like leading up to therewas all these you know
commercials and and all and andit had you know green lanterns,
it had crypto, it had thismonster, it had this beast, it
had you know this villain andI'm like like I got panicky,
because what we've learned fromthe MCU is when you jam pack a
bunch of new characters in onemovie you lose story Because
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you're focusing on everybody,and Gunn managed to not only
juggle it, but juggle itmasterfully.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
But then he did that with Guardians, because
Guardians had all thesedifferent characters.
Nobody knew them.
True and we had to introducethem all and give them weight
and that's hard to do very fewstories right very few stories
have that play off well and andare able to do that and yeah,
like so.
I had faith that he'd be ableto do it, but yeah, the trailers
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made me go.
Oh no, you didn't fall for,like the Spider-Man 3 thing
where we have to throweverything in the kitchen sink.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
No, he did a masterful job at handling that.
I was very pleased.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Mr Fantastic Yep.
What a fascinating characterthat.
I know really nothing about,yep, and I want to know more,
but I felt like I got enough.
It's like he gives you just theright amount of each character,
and then Hawkgirl I mean reallyall of them.
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They give you just enough of ataste of each character to get a
really good essence of them andleave you wanting more from
that character, and the onlyreason why we get more of Mr
Fantastic is because he's theone that steps up and goes along
with Lois.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
That's it because you just get a little bit more time
with him, but you get time withhim serving the story that's
being told about Superman, notbecause, we're gonna just focus
on until this side character,until the rest of them do help
become a quasi deus, deus exmachina, in the sense that, you
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know, superman can't be in twoplaces at once and, good news,
we've already establishedcharacters so he doesn't need to
be.
You know, he can call up his,his buddies, to help out and
also just showing, like, thedifference.
They are trying to knock thecrap out of this monster and
don't care if there's casualties.
(26:29):
If there is, you know, uh,damage to buildings, people or
other, and you know he's sittingthere then trying to clean up
behind them you know and and doit, and like he doesn't want,
he's like can we?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
we don't have to kill the monster, yeah, we can just
relocate him.
And they're like what?
No?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
yeah, you're like oh, you're so funny superman
whatever yeah, but they yeah,james gunn mentioned there was
one sequence that was part of ascene that he refused to cut,
that test audiences were likeit's got to go and I am so glad
he didn't cut it and it's in themiddle of that scene.
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It's when he saves the squirrel.
Oh, he saves the squirrelPeople were like why the hell is
Superman saving a squirrel?
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I mean, don't get me wrong, the squirrel people were
like why the hell is supermansaving us?
Speaker 2 (27:22):
I mean I said the same thing, but at the same time
I was like oh, it's cute, it'scute, it's funny, it's like it's
multiple things.
It's cute, it's funny and it'salso helps serve that character
yeah, even the smallest life, toexactly it's it's in that one
action it goes beyond.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
I'm saving humans, it's all life, and that that was
the thing, that that you know.
Again we go back to man ofsteel.
It's like none of none of thesebuildings had to die right well
right, the millions of peoplein them especially, but the
buildings right well, and um in,uh.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
In this one they make a big deal of being like, hey,
up here, up here, and then hegets you know.
It's like look at all thesepeople we're gonna hurt in this
big building over here, overhere I'm over here um, but uh,
the other thing is lois lane.
If we're gonna have a favoritelois lane, this is my favorite
it's.
It's it.
The the part of her that is thereporter is the most authentic
I, I think.
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I've seen and there's just a lotof depth and nuance that not
only the script brings but theactress brings, and then their
relationship is great.
But it's like, yeah, this LoisLane was amazing, amy was good.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Amy brought a lot of spot.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Oh, I agree, but Rachel.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Brosnahan like yeah, and Margot Kidder was amazing,
Amy was good, Amy brought a lotof spot.
Oh, I agree.
Rachel Brosnahan like yeah, andMargot Kidder was great.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
But I really don't have complaints about Lois.
This is my favorite.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Very pleased with James.
I think that he might actuallypull it off when it comes to
what I believe I've said this onany number of podcasts whenever
the MCU comes up is the factthat the MCU is is starting to
crest.
It's, it's, it's a wave that Ifeel is breaking, and it it you
know well, they have some greatstuff, but yeah, but James
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Gunn's DCU has an opportunity tobe the wave that goes over the
top and rides it out yeahbecause which will only give the
mcu time to potentiallyreconfigure and do the exact
same thing, and if the two justsit there and continue to lap.
Because he's learned a lot fromjust from also working in in the
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mcu
Speaker 2 (29:36):
yeah but from, from you know, being the first, first
one through to do this reallylong form, multi-feature film
storytelling.
You can't just tell a storythat, yes, when you look back on
it five years later, that itonly feels like it's there to
serve the next bigger story asopposed to his approach with
(30:00):
this is every film is going tohave its own, its own feel, its
own, its own story, and it'sgoing to be its story and, yes,
there will be a bigger story,but they're not going to do like
these tidbits yeah yeah, it'sabout which one's ready.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
next right, start it here's one of the things that I
think is interesting with dcu,um and mcu from, okay, from the
original dc, what ed, whatever,um, I want to say edu and like,
nope, it's not education but bg.
(30:39):
Before gun, um, that form, uh,how they had a lot of problems
trying to.
It's like they were playingcatch up.
They were trying to do what mcuwas doing right and they kept
sputtering out and I was like,uh, I wanted to get in the room
with the, the bosses, I wantedto be in the room where it
happens, you know.
And I wanted to be like guys,you can't catch up, that's dumb.
(31:03):
You're already this far behindbecause of time.
You know what would reallyserve you.
Well, you have these TV shows.
They are good TV shows.
Like, what you need to do isbring them all together in a
movie.
You want to do that.
Then you've got that, then youcan catch up.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
You've also got the fan base.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
You've already got the fan base You've already
built up.
You have crossovers in theshows.
Now would that have worked?
Maybe, maybe not it definitelywould have been better than what
happened in my mind, becauseI've decided that Don't you
knock Martha.
But if they had listened to me,we would never have had Martha.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
And I mean, come on, that's important, it's true, the
Martha, you, we need that, theMartha you, martha, moments the
Martha.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Cinematic Universe, the MCU, in.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
DCU.
So true, but then so theirproblem was storytelling.
They couldn't get the storiesto get together.
They had problems withstorytelling.
Meanwhile, marvel storytellingoh, so great.
But the problem with that isreality.
Actors phase out, pass awayThings, take directions that
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they can't anticipate, and thentheir story gets all like oh,
pass away Things, takedirections that they can't
anticipate, and then their storygets all like oh, crud.
We were going to solve thatover here, but now I've got to
throw it over here and therewrite they're writing while
they're filming and it'sbecoming like they've lost
control of the story.
It's gotten away from them andwhat Gunn seems to be doing is
taking it back to character andreally, without characters there
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is no story right.
And this was such a greatrevision, re-envisioning of
Superman, and it leans a lot.
It does a lot with the comics,which I love.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
We're going to take a few minutes to refill our
glasses and get ready to imbibemore after this.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
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Speaker 3 (33:54):
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Speaker 2 (33:59):
Michael Nowens.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
And we are discussing Superman.
The 2025 one, at least, is what?
Speaker 1 (34:05):
we landed on.
Is that what its name is?
Speaker 3 (34:07):
It's just be Superman 2025.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
I feel like everybody says that Superman Well it's
Superman, but like when you,it's the one that came out in
2025.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
You have to give it the qualification of that, in
the sense that that way theyknow which one you're talking
about.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Well, and I'm sure it'll be like the gun Superman,
the Donner Superman, dependingon who you're talking to Donner
party of five.
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We'll say somethinginflammatory enough that the
trolls will come after us maybeit might be this episode.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
It could be all the snyderverse people are gonna be
like what the fuck?
Speaker 3 (35:03):
I love martha, the marthaematic Universe.
Don't you destroy my MCU, allright.
So right before the break Trick, you were about to start
discussing cinema and comics.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yes, the switch in the medium and stories, when
they are told in differentmediums, are told differently.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
That will be an official podcast quote.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Okay.
So here's the thing.
No, we all know this.
You can't put a novel in amovie.
It doesn't work.
Everybody gets angry.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
No, you do a limited series.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Yes, you do, you can do them in the series and then
people kind of get what theyneed out of it, right, because
then you can spend 12 hours,right?
So the comics do like what themovies do over time, where you
will have like this OK, we'vefought all the monsters we
fought them together and then wekind of like reach an apex and
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then we run out of steam andthen we have to reinvent and
reboot and reimagine and startagain and it takes a while, and
I think we I just saw somebodycomment on this and how it's
like, yes, and that's what themovies do, except they do it and
it costs a lot more money.
So here's the thing that I likeis that stories that go back to
canon like when they rebootedStar Trek, they were like, all
(36:29):
right, we're going to put thered shirt in, so you know who's
going to die on this mission.
We're going to put in somethingfor people who love this and
know it well, so they can go.
Ah, I see what you did, butthen all of us who have no idea
can enjoy it, and we don't needthat.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Right.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
And I think what Gunn does is he incorporates stuff
from the comics that a lot of usdidn't know, but we don't need
to know.
Just like crypto comes from thecomics, and also crypto is
inspired by James Gunn's dog,yeah, who is described as a bad
(37:14):
dog, just a bad dog, not like amean dog, just a bad behaved dog
.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
They did a full scan of his dog, and so that is a
digital version of james gunn'sdog and I love that.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
It's just a dog, it's a.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
It's a dog that has not been trained well well,
because like, how can you traina super dog?
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Right, and how much pain that dog causes Superman.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Oh my God, Superman, mr Fantastic, he doesn't hurt.
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
I love that we all get that moment to realize wait,
that's a ball, oh no.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
No, no, no, no, no, no Wait that's a ball.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Oh, no, oh shit, no, no, no, no, no, no, come back,
come back come back.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, but he's just a dog and I do enjoy that.
You don't really know thesituation with Crypto.
Yes, there's just this reallykind of bizarre reference at one
point where he's like.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
It's a foster situation.
And you're like wait what.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
All right, we'll put a pin in that, but you better
explain that later.
And then they do yes, um, andit makes so much, so much sense
and I love how everybody's likeyou have a dog like how do we
know he?
Really cares about that dog andthen like how you contain a dog
like that and it involves cgisquirrels literally trying to
exhaust with cgi squirrels thatalso have superman capes oh my
god, lex was dark yeah now Imean I know a lot of us can't
think that a billionaire wouldget crazy and go psychotic in
the world.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
You know, it's one of those things that I'm just I'm
willing to.
Suspension of disbeliefabsolutely.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
I mean far fetched, but yeah, we went along that
journey.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
We went with that right, but he does such a great
job oh he's, he's my, he's myfavorite honestly.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Yes, yeah, At the end of the movie I mean I very much
enjoyed the whole thing, but astime goes on it's his
performance is just.
I'm sure I will get more out ofit on a second viewing.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
But having only seen it once.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
I was very unexpectedly engaged in the Lex
Luthor journey.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Yeah, and he did such an amazing job of ramping.
Um, I mean you, you took hispath and and, uh, you know it's
one of those situations theyalways say you know the kick,
kick the cat save the cat, savethe cat the kick the cat when he
ends up killing the falafel guyit was just like oh shit.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
And his reaction to it.
Oh, I really thought that wasgoing to go on.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
It's going to last longer?
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Yeah, oh well, you're like, you are fucking evil.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
And I will say that about James Gunn too is his
villains.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
He does a really great job with villains.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Yeah, In the past, when it comes to the villains
like Gene Hackman's, Lex Luthorwas more comical.
Yes, he was more like.
He was more, yeah, he was morelike if Batman had an Adam, one
of Adam West's villains he was.
He wasn't as scary as he wasentertaining.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
I mean, he had some great ideas but, yes, he was
more about camp and comedy thanhe was about menacing and
manipulative.
I mean, he gave ChristopherReeve a number of interesting
choices where it was like, youknow, he actually was
outsmarting him in the sensethat he'd put two different
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things in two completelydifferent areas, being like oh
and like I'm.
I'm not waxing poetics ormonologuing, they actually are
about to hit, like right now,like this is not, like I'm
launching in a few minutes, likeno, it's already too late.
You, I'm launching in a fewminutes, like no, it's already
too late.
You know, I mean, he was, hewas being smarter then.
And then who knew that?
You know, Superman could be ajerk and rewind time.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Yeah, but only enough to save Lois, not everybody
else.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
No, correct, because that's how Superman ends right,
with him flying around the world.
The, the 1978 yeah, yeah andthat's one of the things.
Just as a reference, that's oneof the things that was filmed,
but it was for superman 2, notsuperman superman had a totally
(41:24):
different ending.
That was the end of superman,or part of Superman 2.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
This is really interesting, and that's why.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Superman 2, I think, also ends the exact same way, or
something similar.
No, it's a repeat, so anyway.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Maybe that's why I don't remember the end of the
movie.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Just balancing the ensemble.
I think it just really goes tospeak towards james gunn, the
way that he balances hisensemble against his villain.
Um yeah, they're just verymemorable.
I mean, immediately, what comesto mind is, um, you know,
volume two, uh, guardians.
Volume two, uh, guardiansvolume two, I feel like Kurt
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Russell's villain as his fatheris just almost unmatched.
It's just, you really areinvested in that conflict.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
And it's very internal.
You know, yeah, um, as a viewer, it's personal, it feels very
personal, oh yeah, and he findsa way to do that.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
It feels very personal.
Oh yeah, and he finds a way todo that.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Not in a Martha way, not in a Martha way, but he
finds a way of doing that.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
All of this is long past.
We know that Lex and Supermanwhether Superman's necessarily
aware of it their feud has beengoing on for a while, at least
in Lex's head.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Oh yeah, and the fact that he's got all of his moves
categorized into a whole indexof.
He knows every move he's goingto make before he makes it.
Just that whole introduction ofLex and him just calling out
these moves.
You're like, oh man.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Well, and it's one of those things like, as humans we
can, you can obsess aboutsomething you love or you can
obsess about something you hate,and how dark that gets Like
your whole world is about onething and it's something you
hate, and that that's just like,and you don't see it because
you're so focused, you're sodown that rabbit hole yeah, um,
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I was gonna say, uh, I doappreciate is that superman's
parents are, uh, his adoptedparents are both alive, like um
and, and they're adorable yesthey are so adorable.
I love how it's like every,every set of parents ever.
It's like they're calling, he'snot getting back to them.
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They're like they've left himlike 20 voicemails and they're
like we don't want to bother you, but are you okay?
Speaker 3 (44:04):
neva howell and pruitt taylor vince yeah, they
were.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
They were both fantastic, yep yeah, but then,
uh, you also have like uh a, uha birth father villain kind of
thought.
It's like wow, now you broughtup star lord's origin.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
I'm like huh absentee father, not good bad person and
I'm trying to recall, and, andyou know, I, I, whether it's you
know, age or whatnot.
I don't recall whether or notum, the, the message from their
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you know, his birth parents wasto rule over, or if that was
just this interpretation I thinkit was just.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
I don't know my understanding.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Yeah, I don't know either, but my understanding is
this was his interpretation andit was a, a, very for for
jarring yeah but it doesn't, andand I think the reason why is
because you know, I think I readsomething about how he was like
it doesn't fundamentally changethe character.
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In fact, it helps fuel who?
Speaker 1 (45:18):
that character is, and I want to know more about
Supergirl.
I want to be like what do youknow?
Right.
What's going on.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
That's another good point, actually, because, yeah,
you would think she would knowmore or be different.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
Am I understanding this correctly, that Supergirl
is actually?
Speaker 1 (45:35):
older yes.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Yes and so she was like in cryo or something like
that, right.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
Yeah, something happened to her pod.
She was supposed to be sentalong with him, right?
And she was like six or I meanshe was definitely older.
He was an infant newborn.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
So where she was like more frozen in time while he
grew up on Earth, and then, yeah, Her pod.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Something happened to her pod and it did not make the
journey quickly, whereas helanded and was raised, she lands
later and is still, you know,roughly the age she was, which
she was, and I recall watching asuper girl, the original movie
with with Peter O'Toole, and itwas.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
It's funny Cause it's one of those things where it's
like I saw it when I was a kidand I was like, oh, Supergirl,
and then I saw it with the girlsand I hadn't.
I saw it once as a kid, Right.
So there's a whole bunch that Idon't remember, but it is one
of those things like where youhear something you haven't heard
since you were a child orwhatever, and it brings you back
immediately to like thisemotional time travel, to like
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oh, I am now eight for 30seconds and then poop and I'm
back.
Speaker 4 (46:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
And yeah, so that happened.
I was like, wow, I appreciatedPeter Ochoa so much for a child
because he's the only one Iremember from the movie.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
Although it's he left an impression.
He did.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
I felt bad for him.
It doesn't go well for him.
All right, are we poking thebear now?
Speaker 3 (47:09):
sure, oh yeah, let's, let's, let's bear that poke all
right.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
So, um, this film, at the time of this recording this
film had an 83 percent uh,rotten tomato um score.
Uh, after 466 reviews, it's gota 91% popcorn rating, which is
the audience.
So the first one is fromFilmSpotting.
(47:35):
And they say I could neverquite reconcile James Gunn's
glibness and goofiness with hissadistic streak Interesting, I
need more, right.
Well, he has made two moviescome to mind that I've seen,
that I can understand this okayum, uh, he did a uh, I think.
(48:01):
I think it might have been hisfirst comic book movie, but it
was with rain, wilson um and itwas called super um and it is
fucked up I remember I watchedthe boys um, possibly I've never
watched the boys.
Oh, it's dark, um, but uh, itis really.
Uh, it's an uncomfortable watch, um, uh, but anyway, he
(48:25):
directed that that um and uh itwas.
It was an indie film, for sure.
Speaker 4 (48:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
And so it was Rainn Wilson and, I believe, um.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
Elliot Page, Luke Tyler, Kevin Bacon.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Wow, yeah, good cast.
And I would say uh.
From my memory of it, I couldsee the word sadistic, uh, from
my memory of it, I could see theword sadistic, um, uh.
But more recently, um, volumethree, um was a very, for me, a
very uncomfortable viewingbecause of the animal cruelty.
(49:00):
Um, I, I really respect what hewas trying to do and I think he
did do that.
I just wasn't, I wasn'tprepared for it and I was very
uncomfortable with it, and Ithink that that was the point.
So, anyway, when I, when I wasreading this, I saw it as the
reviewer was really like havingissue with how do you, how do
(49:24):
you, how do you have these twothings that are like polar
opposites and yet it doesn't gelfor them.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
It doesn't gel for them where it works for other
people.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
Okay, to that end, I could see that the argument that
I would make, and one that Ifeel is necessary as somebody
who tries to do this, this kindof art In the theater, in the
theater or films, In the cinema.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
What is it?
Oh, is it Superman?
Back to the Reeve one Histeacher said you know, don't do
big movies Like in Juilliard.
He's like don't do these moviesLike you want to do.
You do serious work.
You do serious work becauseyou're a serious actor and you
have the talent.
And you do serious work unlessthey pay you a lot of money.
Speaker 4 (50:12):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:14):
And that worked out.
And that worked out.
That was an interesting bear.
Is there another bear?
Speaker 2 (50:19):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right.
So the Beverly Hills Couriersays call me old fashioned,
you're old-fashioned.
Call me old-fashioned, but Ilike a story with a beginning,
middle and end with characters Ican root for and those I can
boo.
Filling the screen with robotsand hideously unappetizing
(50:40):
hybrid lizard monsters doesn'twork for me I find it
interesting, unappetizing thankyou, that is the word that I was
stuck with too I had to read itwhile you're watching.
I had to read it multiple timesto make sure that it wasn't a
different word, but it wasappetizing, and so that's why I
want to know, I want to knowwhat an appetizing monster they
(51:03):
eat a lot of lizards.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
Some appetizing lizard.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
Are they like a reptile eater?
Maybe Like extra alligator allthe time I?
Speaker 3 (51:12):
love that.
It's extra alligator, Like youknow.
Not just a little bit oh no, Ihad my main course.
Now I'm going to have someextra alligator.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
There's like extra side, yeah, but when you tell
this kind of story it is hard tomake it have that like
beginning, middle and and we'redone like you have to have
something that gives you closureand feel satisfied on some
level.
But these are stories thatthey're more like serials, like
(51:39):
they've always been where andthen the next adventure, and
then next week when the nextadventure, and they take place
in a world full of adventures,so it's so full of them that you
can have a you know spat withyour significant other while a
space intergalactic imp is inthe background, is in the
background you know beingpaddled
Speaker 2 (52:02):
all right, last one is time magazine says sadly
there's almost zero magic injames gunn's superman.
It's special effects are morespecial effects are more
overbearing than special.
The plot is all problem solvingand no poetry.
Speaker 3 (52:20):
Wow wow, see, whereas I my my argument in that one uh
is twofold uh, I'll go with theone.
That was not the one that mademe giggle, but I'll do that one
in a second To me.
The substance, you know,everything is in Lex Luthor.
(52:41):
I mean, the poetry is in whathe is doing.
I mean he's masterfully donethis and figured it all out.
It's just.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
The moment when the little nano things engulf him.
I'm like oh yeah.
Yeah, how do you?
Speaker 3 (53:04):
get out of this.
I don't understand.
How are you?
Speaker 2 (53:06):
going to you get out of this?
I don't, I don't understand how.
How are you going to recoverfrom this?
Yeah, and the, the, you know,fight for survival.
Yeah, that defies all odds.
Uh, yet makes sense.
Yep, I was like oh yeah, yeah,I mean, and that's that's,
that's like the end game.
(53:27):
Lex is like right there on theverge of getting everything.
He wanted.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
Yep, I just want to sit down with this person and go
tell me about your poetry.
I want to know what film foryou brings the poetry when it
comes to this type of movie,because I'm not making fun.
I'm like I get what they'resaying in a way, but I do think
(53:52):
it would be very interesting toknow what.
What is what works for them?
What?
Speaker 2 (53:56):
is that poetry um and because I can understand
special effects being uhoverbearing in a movie oh god, I
mean, we talked about that withman of steel overbearing in a
movie.
Oh god, I mean, we talked aboutthat with uh, man of steel
overbearing, completely like itjust overtakes the movie at the
same time, I will state that ofcourse there wasn't magic uh
he's, he's a superhero not drstrange.
Speaker 4 (54:16):
Um, yeah, not dr strange, that would be z for
zatara yes, that is the dc.
Speaker 3 (54:22):
Uh, you know magician slash wizard, um.
So yeah, of course there wasn'tany magic in this film.
Real quick thing I want to say.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
I love about superhero movies and superheroes
.
Speaker 3 (54:33):
What do you love about superhero movies and
superheroes?
Speaker 1 (54:35):
Recently, I'm just going to point out math math
mathing, math.
I just love that math can winand that is amazing, like
Spider-Man beats Dr Strange withmath with math, math and that
is amazing.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
Like Spider-Man beats Doctor Strange With math.
With math, math beats magicDone.
This is just geometry.
I can do this Right.
Speaker 1 (54:55):
And then a film that I think is underrated is
Lightyear, buzz Lightyear'sorigin story and in that he's a
space cowboy and everything isgoing wrong with his re-entry
and the computer is telling himto eject and everything is wrong
and he's like, but he's, heknows better than computer, he's
(55:16):
gonna do it on his own.
What does he do?
He does a math.
He does math emergency math onthe, on the windshield, and then
he saves the day.
And I'm like I just loveteaching kids that we can save
the day using math.
Really, it makes me cry.
I'm so happy about it.
I wish somebody had told me Icould save the day with math,
(55:38):
because I suck at math.
Speaker 3 (55:39):
We greatly appreciate our listeners for choosing this
podcast supporting independentfilm and the Blue Whiskey
Independent Film Festival.
I'm Jonathan Seelight, andthanks for imbibing with us,
Cheers.
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