Laughter, Love, and Zombie Survival: A Journey Through Family Dynamics with Devin

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*LOST EPISODE Date: January 2020*
Ever wondered what it’s like to be the center of attention wherever you go? Meet Devin, our lively guest from Allentown, Pennsylvania, whose charm and humor light up this episode. With a Puerto Rican dad and a Caucasian mom, Devin shares the fun side of his mixed heritage and how he seems to magnetize everyone, even straight men! Our banter takes us through hilarious tales from the neighborhoods of Lehigh Valley, where churches, Chinese restaurants, and liquor stores form the quirky "Holy Trinity" of every urban block. 

Venture with us into some wild hypotheticals, as we debate survival strategies for a zombie apocalypse and weigh the tricky balance between parents and spouses in family dynamics. Can you really choose between money and happiness? We tackle these and more with a light-hearted spirit, sharing personal stories and unexpected insights. It’s a rollercoaster of laughter, candid moments, and thought-provoking conversations that challenge the way we view family ties and personal priorities.

Join us as we explore sibling relationships and the myriad ways families express love—often with playful insults and affectionate banter. Whether it's Mac's stories of band life with his brothers or the complex web of secrets and confessions in marriages, we look at how deeply intertwined our lives are with those of our closest kin. Through humor and heart, we examine the enduring bonds that pull us through, no matter how bizarre or challenging the scenario.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 2 (00:31):
he always struggled with that part.
Okay, okay, we back, we back,we back.
Imperfect Scenarios podcast.
Yes sir, what up?
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Have technical difficulties?
Welcome back everybody.
We have.
My whole crew is here.
We've been drinking a littlebit but we got out a little late

(00:55):
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Start we have a special guesttonight.
We have my man, devin.
Hey.
Hey, what's good?
Oh hey.
So you know the tension's onyou today.
So I don't know if you likeattention you have a lot of
attention on you today Tell us alittle about yourself, because
the listeners don't know.
Oh gosh, wait, you hear myvoice.

(01:16):
My voice sounds sexy, don't it?

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Who.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Okay, go ahead.
No, tell us about yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
Tell us about yourself, um what do you want to
know?

Speaker 5 (01:29):
my name's devon, how are you guys okay so how old are
you?

Speaker 4 (01:31):
devon.
I am 25.
I'm gonna be 26 in may you'reold.
I know I'm like 80 in gay years.

Speaker 5 (01:37):
So you know, I wish that everybody could like if we
had video, but I think that Imight be staring at devon the
entire time because he's sogorgeous.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
I think I just look so weird.
That's what it is.
It's the highway.

Speaker 5 (01:49):
I know I can spot a weirdo you guys, he's just like
so pretty like I can't helpmyself is that my one time?

Speaker 2 (01:58):
you know my brother's like you know my brother's.
Uh, he's predator, so I don'tknow, oh shit.

Speaker 5 (02:06):
He likes turning straight men gay.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
I don't do any.
Excuse me, I don't do anything,I am myself.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Now whatever happens happens.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
I can't help that.

Speaker 5 (02:21):
I wish you had predator music Right.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
You know what my next special effects is going.
Wish you had predator music,right, I wish I.
You know what my next, my next,my next special effects is
going to be some predator music.
So, devin, where are you from?
I'm from Allentown,pennsylvania, born and raised
Born and raised, born and raisedOkay.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
I value my whole life tragically oh poor youth.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Oh so okay, because it's not many people out there,
so who?

Speaker 4 (02:46):
where are your?
Where your parents are from,where your parents from?
Uh, my dad's puerto rican, mymom's they're.
He's from connecticut, but mymom's been from, like, the
lehigh valley, my whole life tooreally okay, okay, and are they
both puerto?
Rican no, my mom is white, likeyt white oh white, oh caucasian
, I know, okay, I mean puertoricans are like the white people
of Spanish you think so.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
No, I think you guys are the Negroes of the Spanish.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
No, Dominicans are.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
No, there's definitely.

Speaker 5 (03:10):
Dominicans, puerto Ricans are some niggas.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
There are but more Dominicans, yeah, more
Dominicans.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
I'm going to be honest with you All the Puerto
Ricans I grew up with.
They're straight Negroes, Iknow so, okay.
Ringers I grow up with today isstraight negro.
I know, yeah, okay, so you'refrom allentown, I'm born and
raised.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
Uh, what school.
You went to allentown highschool.
No, um, for high school I movedto east end, which is still
like the lehigh valley rightsame thing, because allentown
was like ghetto, ghetto soeastern is ghetto too.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Is that like the?

Speaker 4 (03:39):
pocono?
You don't think so.
Pocono is where he lives, hiscountry yeah, that's country I'm
.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
I live in a well water yeah, I have well water.
Thank you, boo boo, exactly,I'm not drinking your.
What is?
What's the name of that town?

Speaker 5 (03:51):
um, the nasty, the nasty water town yeah, you know
what I'm talking about NewOrleans, flint.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
New Jersey.
So you live in Flint, newJersey.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
She's not even responding because she wants in
on that apocalypse.
I know she does listen.
Do you think I can come to yourhouse?

Speaker 5 (04:08):
that's what I'm saying I need to live off.
Well, water has already cut meoff so so what's good about
lehigh valley?

Speaker 2 (04:16):
anything, anything nothing out, though they have a
nice mall.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
The malls are really nice.
Yeah, there's a casino lies.
It's pretty, it's better thanNewark Sorry.

Speaker 5 (04:27):
Shots fired.
He said you live in the hoodand there's shoot again every
night.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
I parked my car and a homeless man asked me for a
cheeseburger.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
I wasn't even out of my car.
Wait, wait Time out.
Where would you have pulledthat from?

Speaker 3 (04:37):
No.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
I told you not to park.
I told you to park on thisblock.
Now, if you park on any otherblock, you're on your own.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Wait, wait, wait.
Did a homeless man ask him fora cheeseburger?

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
I could go for a cheeseburger.
He parked on the next block.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
I told him to park on this block.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
Where did he think?
The cheeseburger was comingfrom.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
He just got out of his car.
Devin, you have to followinstructions when you come to
Newark.

Speaker 5 (05:00):
I'm parked on car in the lane.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
He's on the next block.
He has to cross the street toget his car.
That's the next block whereriff-raff happens.
The police fill up their policecars here.
Ain't nobody coming.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
I was like sir.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
I don't want no problems.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
I don't have no burgers.

Speaker 5 (05:15):
I'm just trying to walk down the block.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
I'm just trying to go to my friend's house.
I'm sorry.
Well is, since when are theystarting for cheeseburgers?
No, there's a group home here.
If he's probably coming fromthe group home probably.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
Cheeseburgers, though he had, like, a Chinese food
bag, so I feel like he hadChinese food and he wanted a
burger.

Speaker 5 (05:32):
You should have been like well, can you give me some
Chinese food?

Speaker 3 (05:34):
You got an egg roll sir.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Let me ask a question why is it a church, a Chinese
restaurant and a liquor store inevery corner in Newark?

Speaker 5 (05:42):
Because people need to pray about eating
cheeseburgers.
Oh bullshit.
And Chinese food.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
That's a good question, right, think about it
If you drive through Newark is aChinese restaurant, is a church
and is a liquor store on everyblock.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
It's like the Holy Trinity.
That's all you need, I guess.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
You need, Jesus, a good egg roll and some vodka.
No, but you need the vodkafirst.
Right, and then you go to China.
No the Chinese.
Then you go to church, right,you pray it out.
Yeah, I can see that.

Speaker 5 (06:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
They know how to make money in the hood.
Basically, you will always makemoney in the hood if you got
those three establishments.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
Absolutely Period and I feel like any hood you go to
it's not just Newark, but anyhood you go to there is a holy
trinity.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Jersey City too.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Newark is just a microcosm of the rest of the
hoods.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
You're using big words.
That is a huge word.
That's kind of sexy.
Say it again that's your oneword.
Can you spell that for me,daddy?

Speaker 2 (06:39):
No spell it.
I want you to explain what itis what.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
I want you to explain what it is what is that it was
on his SAT Word of the Day app.

Speaker 5 (06:45):
It's one of those things where you don't need to
explain it, you just have tokeep saying it.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
But how we know it's a word though.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
It doesn't matter, say it slow.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Okay, microcosm.

Speaker 5 (06:55):
No, like you did before.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
No sexily.

Speaker 5 (06:57):
Sexily.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Sexily.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
Okay, good.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
That's not a word.
He's like, I promise you Wellso here's what I need to tell
you about myself.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
I have my own dictionary of words.
Did you say dick Shinary.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Oh, shinary, yeah, but you paused on the dick
question.
You really did pause on thedick.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
You guys are such liars.
Because you accused me ofpausing before when statement I
had to plug in my cell phone.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
No, you said I had to plug in.
I had to plug.
No, no, my cell phone, I didnot pause.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Nor did I pause in between my dick and shenary you
just did it.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Now I did.
All right, guys, let me ask aquestion.
I got a question for you.
You know I always got this whatif?
Or these random questions, allright, so you, I need you guys
to delete two things in yourlife.
Right, you want to delete twothings in life?
I'm gonna give you, I'm gonnagive you a list of two things.
I mean, I'm gonna give you alist and you got to pick two

(07:55):
things to delete.
Number one is alcohol, money,food friends, friends and sex
bye friends, you know what?
J Boog, I'm gonna go with youwhy do I have to start?
So you got alcohol, money,friends and sex and two have to

(08:17):
go two have to go.
I feel like there was anotheroption yeah, no, but it's five
alcohol, money, foods andfriends food and sex and well
alcohol, money, food, friendsand sex.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
I'm sorry, yeah, sex so I also feel like bi friends
spy friends, so jay boog isgetting rid of her friends I
love y'all, but I need sex andmoney word so you're getting rid
of food and alcohol and I thinkI might get.
I might getting rid of food andalcohol and I think I might get
rid of alcohol and keep foodand sex.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
So food and sex, yeah .
So you just gonna eat and fuck.
That's what.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
I'm going with.

Speaker 5 (08:56):
No, you have to eliminate two right.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
You have to eliminate two, so I have three.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Right, so you getting rid of food and sex.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Food and sex?
No, no, no, she's keeping you.
Keeping food insects what?

Speaker 2 (09:06):
the fuck, you're confusing me because you know
you delete.
You gotta get two out of yourlife, so I'm getting rid of
friends and I'm getting rid ofalcohol.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
Alcohol, okay, that's good so I'll stick with money,
food and sex money, food andfrecks.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
Yeah, that is kind of boring very boring all right,
devin, what are you getting ridof?
I think mine's will be the same, but because I'm in a weird
place in my life too, where mostof my friends revolve around
alcohol anyway.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
So you kill two birds with one stone.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
Yes, I'm gonna get a nice detox cleanse my skin and
lose my bad friends.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
Honey, we're gonna be good so you're getting rid of
your friends and alcohol butwait, I have a question if you
get of sex, can you still havesex toys?

Speaker 2 (09:46):
No, Ooh, that's a good question, but I say no.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Because, you can't cum.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
Exactly, but that's not sex.
Having sex toys is not sex.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Can you delete that, please?
No.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
What is it?
Is it?

Speaker 1 (09:56):
your alter ego.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
So wait, so no, sex is sex.

Speaker 4 (10:05):
Whether it's toys by yourself with someone.
It's toys by yourself withsomeone.
No, it's not how you figure.
Everyone has differentdefinitions of sex.
Like to me, oral sex isn'treally sex.
That's bullshit.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
So like so then in that case, so you, so you.
That's a sexual act.
It's a sexual act.
But oral sex is sex, because ifyou do it on to somebody else
and you're not in a relationshipwith them, that's cheating
right no, oh true, but there's alot of things that you can do
in relationships that would beconsidered cheating emotional
yeah

Speaker 1 (10:26):
emotional here we go no, you cannot emotionally cheat
on somebody I've been inemotional relationships before
and with no sex.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
How is that cheating?

Speaker 5 (10:37):
that's that is cheating thinking about somebody
else if yeah, if you dosomething else that you wouldn't
want, but if you don't touchthem.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
No, that's bullshit, that's like window shopping.
So if you window shopping, areyou really shopping?

Speaker 5 (10:49):
You're not spending no money If you talk to the
mannequins.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
Why are you?
Calling it shopping, then ifyou're not shopping, but wait,
if you see a nice, like in mycase, if I see a nice looking
woman and I like no, seeing Isaid to myself oh my God, I
would love to have that, butthat's not emotional.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
I'm talking about emotional interaction, like
talking, flirting, all thatstuff.
That's pretty dangerous, but isit cheating though?
Is it different?
I?

Speaker 3 (11:11):
feel like it is.
I think it is cheating.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Okay okay okay, now I need to uphold that.
Well, anyway, let's get back tothat.
We'll get back to that, let'sfinish going on.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
Okay, okay, we're going to get back to it.
I mean, don't speak of the.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
English.
Okay, so peaches, what two areyou getting rid of?

Speaker 5 (11:28):
The same.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
What money and friends.

Speaker 5 (11:35):
Or alcohol and friends.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Alcohol and friends.

Speaker 5 (11:37):
I don't really drink that crazy anyway, so I could
live without it and I could buynew friends word she got money
like that okay I don't think Icould

Speaker 3 (11:50):
ever be poor it's a rough life to live I could end
up in newark or something wouldyou ever ask for a cheeseburger?
Right, I could be the oneasking for the cheeseburger.

Speaker 5 (12:05):
I'd be like, can you have like pickles and ketchup on
there please, Because I'm sohungry.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Okay, mac, what are you doing?
What?

Speaker 5 (12:11):
are you?

Speaker 3 (12:11):
getting rid of Alcohol money food.
Well, he's clearly getting ridof sex, no.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
I was like I don't get that.
Anyway, it's fine Waitno-transcript.

Speaker 5 (12:32):
You didn't break down the sex part no, sex is sex.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
I mean it's nothing to weigh around it.
So food is kind of like weirdbecause you you take away food
you don't live.
So it's kind of maybe they meanthat's your choice.
But maybe what they mean byfood maybe they mean by like,
like pleasure food.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
A pleasure food like?
Oh, then I take my answer backno, I'm just saying I'm not.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Don't take your answer back, I'm just saying I
can live off of vegetables Ican't, so I take I can totally
live off of that so you knowwhat.
We're gonna put a clause on it.
Okay, so the food when theytalk about food, they're talking
about because we need foodregardless.
Right, let's talk aboutpleasure food.
So you got to have the basicnutrients it's gonna be okay.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
Give me my basic nutrients it's like pledging,
give me alcohol so you'll keepfood no, I would get rid of food
get rid of food and get rid offriends, because actually so
you're keeping alcohol, but justgetting rid of food, I'm
keeping alcohol so you would, soyou would have.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
So you want to have alcohol, money, money and sex.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
No, I would have to say no, I agree.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
I agree with.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Devin that alcohol and friends go together, so I
think I keep my answers the same.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Okay, so Mac, what about you?

Speaker 1 (13:34):
I'm getting rid of food and I'm getting rid of
alcohol.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Oh, so you think you want to have sex?
Oh God, yes, yeah, I'm not.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
Yeah that's kind of of yeah, I don't know about that
fly boy.
What are you talking about?
He's like I don't got friendsanyways, exactly no friends, no
friends.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Uh, I have friends.
I don't want to anyone that'slistening you're my friend.

Speaker 5 (13:57):
I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings.
He's shaking his head right now, you guys behind behind the
scenes, but I secretly don'thave any friends and alcohol.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
I don't drink as much as you do so, you're getting
rid of friends and alcohol.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah, I don't really drink as much as I used to and I
don't hang out with the peopleit's associated with drinking.
I used to go out and drink andparty with people, but I don't
really do that anymore.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
What are you doing?
Tase Okay.

Speaker 5 (14:24):
Wait, let us answer for you.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
This is your guess.
This is your guess, guess minemoney this is correct and
friends no no, no not true, wait.

Speaker 5 (14:36):
So what are the options?

Speaker 2 (14:38):
alcohol, money, food, friends and sex he ain't giving
up sex?

Speaker 4 (14:41):
no, no, I damn sure ain't giving up sex you can hang
that shit up food

Speaker 1 (14:44):
giving up yeah, food and alcohol food no, no.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Food first and then alcohol well, he had a problem
with the scale, so he's givingup food I will give up money I
will give up.
Okay, so I will give up foodand alcohol.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yeah no wait, no, no, no.
No, I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (14:59):
You said you were giving up sex no, I'm not that's
I damn sure he said it's foodfood and food and money.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Food and money I would give up.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
I would give up food and money what would you do in
life without money?

Speaker 2 (15:12):
you need money I don't need money, I really like
just how are you gonna pay yourrent honestly, honestly I would
say fuck the rent.
To be honest, I live with mymother.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
I'll be all I'm okay you're gonna.
Money is not never.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
It's like I don't know money never been a thing to
me like it I did.
I like money to get the thingsthat I want, but other than that
I don't really don't want nomoney.
Like you need money to getthings that you want, but I
really don't want much.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
You can live off the land but like excessive money.
I understand not wanting, butyou need money.
You do need money but I seesome of the Not necessarily.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
You can live off the land, so you're going to be a
farmer, I will farm.

Speaker 5 (15:43):
Oh, I would love that you have the land for it.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
I will farm the shit out of something and the dirt.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
I to get my nails dirty.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Oh, here you go, the dirt underneath the nails.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Yeah, I'm not a fan of that.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Oh my God, you guys are so shallow.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
I'm a city girl.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
I'm not a New Brunswick is not city.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
Bullshit.
New Brunswick is a city.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Well, they call it Concrete jungle.
Yeah, concrete jungle, it is acity and I have never had to
farm anything.
They call that little new yorkyou know that.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
Well, it's a city sir , okay.
Well, I mean, and frankly, I'ma city girl and I have my nails
and my toes done and I don'twant dirt and under them.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
I'm there with you so you work.
Love living together, rightyeah, with our money down to it.
I just want to make it on therecord that I would be able to
like farm or do something likethat.
She's still trying to get onthe apocalypse.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah, that's a lie.

Speaker 5 (16:32):
You done fucked up with the apocalypse if y'all do
want to accept me about theapocalypse if you do want to
accept me and your apocalypsecrew.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
I can make a mean pot of rice well what?

Speaker 5 (16:42):
yes, I can cook too, excuse me, we were very clear we
wanted doctors when the doctorsyou needed a chef.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
Well, um, what about procreate?
Don't you need to rebuild?

Speaker 5 (16:52):
I can make babies we have wombs that's true.
I have a baby.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Everybody kept sex in this group, so there'll be a
lot of fucking in this groupokay, maybe not but I can make
you some mean babies like on theoutside the group we'll be like
.

Speaker 4 (17:10):
So if we were in a zombie apocalypse, what would be
your thing like?
What would you contribute?

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Oh we already said that we actually had that on our
last cast.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
But we can bring it back up.
We can bring it back up.
Fuck it why not.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
So I'm the connoisseur here, right, Because
I study this Like I'm all aboutthe underground bunker.
I'm the doomsday prepper.
The underground bumper.

(17:43):
I got 14 cases of water stashedaway.
Oh, because that makes you adoomsday driver.
Water, kind of the water I got,water, I'm good, but I'm the
architect, so I'm, I'm anarchitect, so I'm, I'm planning
for our.
You know everything that we doas a group together, I'm
responsible.
Okay, so I'm the alpha male.
Oh, okay, oh wow.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
Oh wow, oh alpha male Wow.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
You know we're going to discuss alpha male and beta
males and omega males soon, Notin this podcast, but it's going
to be a really good one, butokay.
But I think in a doomsdayapocalypse I'm more of a maybe
I'd be the person that makessure that the human race lives
on.
I'll do a lot.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
of sperm lives on I'll do a lot of probably I'll
do a lot of uh sperm sharingI'll do a lot of sperm sharing.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
That's my maybe, that's my, that's that's my job.
I'm gonna make sure that thehuman, the human population,
lives on.
So you count me in on that onelet's see what special skills do
I have.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
I'm a great conversationalist, oh shit girl
bye, she would make beautifulbabies though.
Well, thank you.
Well, I can offer my womb.
I'm a great conversationalist.
Oh shit, girl bye, she wouldmake beautiful babies though.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Well, thank you.
Well, I can offer my wombMm-hmm and I can make a mean pot
of rice.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Well, your womb will be used three times a day, five
days a week.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
I feel like this is like the handmaid's tale.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Handmaid's tale, I was just about to say that God
only rested one day, so it wouldbe six days a week.

Speaker 5 (18:54):
So that's basically life, basically.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
So do women get a free pass in the apocalypse for
their wombs?

Speaker 2 (19:02):
I feel like we should .

Speaker 4 (19:03):
I think you should.
How else are you going torepopulate?

Speaker 5 (19:05):
I mean, I could do that.
I can also like cook, I canorganize everyone like make sure
everyone stays in line.
I don't have to do the who doyou, unless you would like me to
like every once in a while, butI can make sure this shit runs
properly because you need awoman can you say?
You know what I mean.
You say absolutely useful Ialso.
Yes, my womb is amazing.
What do you?

Speaker 2 (19:24):
say wouldn't me.

Speaker 5 (19:25):
You got amazing I can give you a kid, probably a drop
of a dime we can certainlyrepopulate the earth right we
can repopulate because you knowthat we you know I got beautiful
children, so we know they'renot gonna be ugly well, yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
So what does?
Does that mean something?
Yeah, what?

Speaker 5 (19:47):
no, I said it and it works like right.
So I could give you, give somemore.
So repopulation, right so?

Speaker 1 (19:54):
anyone that's ever watched the Walking Dead know
that there's a lady on theWalking Dead called Nashawn.
Oh she's that girl, she's thatgirl.
You like that, you and my crewimmediately.

Speaker 5 (20:05):
So are you going to rethink this whole?
Letting me in your crew.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah, probably not.

Speaker 5 (20:09):
I'm not that's fine, if you don't want me to be in
your crew, I can just say it now.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Now, is that what you're saying?
It's about survival with me.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Let me hear your hooty-hoo real quick.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Hooty-hoo, do you guys hear airplanes?

Speaker 5 (20:25):
Those are the police choppers.
Oh shit, Because we're inNewark.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
All right, whatever Heartbeaches we need to spill
out this uh topic.
What's going on?

Speaker 5 (20:38):
okay, let's start.
Um, so we'll start off with thetopic about the parents.
So, in light of you know, restin peace.
Kobe and his daughter and theyhad the whole uh tribute on tv
and I know a lot of the talk hasbeen something like the parents
.
Kobe's parents weren'tacknowledged during the tribute,

(21:01):
so it made us think.
So in what situation would youchoose your parents over your
spouse?
Because I know the wholebackstory to that has something
along the lines to do with theparents weren't too supportive
of their marriage just from thebeginning.
They, you know, publicly kindof just didn't support it.

(21:24):
So in that situation maybe theyweren't mentioned in the you
know the tribute.
So it made us think in whatsituation would you choose your
parents over your spouse?
So it appears that you knowKobe chose his spouse over his
parents, right?
He chose to be married and liveand have his children and kind

(21:46):
of put his parents on the backburner.
So what do you think?
Is there ever a situation whereyou would choose your parents
over your spouse?

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Okay, who wants tag on that?

Speaker 3 (21:55):
first, let's unpack this now can the married people
speak first?

Speaker 2 (22:01):
okay, that's fine.
Um well, since I guess I'm theonly two, there's only two of us
here.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
But okay, it's very difficult to consider, I guess,
as a as a single person.
I'm not, I'm not married'm notthere, and it's very hard for me
to consider that aspect becauseright now my parents to me are
the closest friends bond that Ihave and I don't.
I don't have like another bondto say I'm going to put you guys

(22:30):
to the side to take this rightnow and and I imagine, I guess
as a single person, that onceyou make the decision to be
married, your life kind oftransitions and your I mean your
family is your family and whoyou were raised with becomes
your family but your immediatehousehold your spouse and your
children.
that is your primary concern andthat is your family.

Speaker 5 (22:52):
And so it's you basically forsake all others.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
Right.
So it's just difficult for meto consider that at this point,
because to me my closest bondare my parents.
I'm I'm the reliable one, I'mthere to make sure that I take
care of them.
If my dad lands in the hospital, I'm the one making sure
everything is there.
But I I imagine being marriedit would.
I would still have those roles,but I can't imagine a

(23:16):
circumstance right now wait, soyou want.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
You can imagine a circumstance where you choose
your spouse over your parentsbecause I'm not like I'm not
married.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
I can imagine as as a single person again your, your
spouse, your children.
That becomes your immediatefamily and they are of most
importance and everything elseis kind of forsaken.

Speaker 5 (23:35):
But I, I just, I guess I can't visualize it right
now, right, well, I don't knowthe story behind his parents,
right well I think that'sbasically just pretty much the
surface, like they just weren't,and it had something to do with
like maybe he met her like at avideo shoot or something, so
they were assuming, so theydidn't like her.
Yeah, like the worst of herkind of, and they just never

(23:55):
supported it from the beginningand it was publicly, like it was
.
In public it wasn't, like youknow.
So that was.
You know that.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
So you, that was, you know that, so it, you know, led
us to say something oh yeah, II think it just there has to be
something more to that, though.
You know what I mean.
There has to be a backstory,because if you're close with
your parents, like you are, um,and you get married, like even
if your parents disapprove ofthem, like your parents would
still play a big part, vitalrole in your life.
You know what I mean.
You wouldn't just kind of notdisown them, but like separate
yourself from them just forsomething so little as being
married with someone well,that's.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
I definitely think it's something more to it there
has to be more because they hadlike how many kids they got
together, like four, three, fourlike five, no four.
They had four they had four kidstogether and they just had one
and it still seemed likewhatever was going on between it
was still going on.
So usually when you, whengrandkids come in, involved
things, whatever issues, you hadkind of go away, but they seem
like they still had the issues.

(24:53):
So, whatever it is, it had tobe more than this.
I mean, it's probably somethingthat we probably never know
maybe money money.
Could have been money, maybe hadnothing, maybe possible maybe
they know something about the,about her, that they didn't like
.
I don't know, but do I thinkit's a point where you pick your
spouse over your parents?

Speaker 5 (25:11):
I do think it is a point where you, oh, of course
your parents have your spouse,which way right or vice versa.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
In my situation, I probably would pick my spouse
over my parents or my mom.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
I should say it must be easier, because you're you
choose your spouse you don'tnecessarily choose your parents,
right you know what I mean, asmuch as we're groomed to be like
oh, that's your mom and dad,you have to love them, right?
You don't have to love yourspouse right, exactly so you
choose that person to love youknow, what I mean.
So they kind of should hold aspecial place in your heart
right versus your parents, whereyou're kind of for lack of

(25:43):
better term, you're obligated tokind of love them.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
This is true so no, don't get me wrong, I love my
mother to death.
But it just seems like.
It just seemed like when, whenthey bring you into the world,
just like my kids, when I bringyou to the world, I bring you
out to be, I want you to be in arelationship, I want you to
find love and I don't want youto choose me over your spouse.
And and to me, you know, evenwith my mom, I love my mom to

(26:06):
death.
But I mean, my spouse is likewho I'm.
I said my vows, I'm supposed toprotect her.
I'm supposed to protect her andthe kids.
So I can't like listen, I'mpushing you to the side, I'm
going with my mom, because thenit just defeats the purpose of
being married.
So, yeah, my mom brought me inthis world, of course, yes, but

(26:33):
she brought me into the world tobe something and and I'm the
natural leader of my house, so Iwould have to pick my spouse
and you know, or my mom.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
Unfortunately she lived a life.
I gotta live my life, and youknow.
And as a parent, don't youthink that's kind of being a
successful parent is raisingyour child to go and raise their
own family?
And yes, definitely kind of dotheir own thing.
You know what I?

Speaker 1 (26:46):
mean, but I, I would say, being somewhat of the
devil's advocate, I would sayit's really situational right.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
Oh, I agree 100%.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
Because if your spouse is doing something that's
really detrimental to eitheryour family or your broader
family or extended family, andyou know it's detrimental and
your parents are upset aboutthat, then they're always going
to like your parents, are alwaysgonna have this, this affection
for you being their child, toalways want to see what's best
for you, right, and if you bothrecognize that your spouse is

(27:16):
doing something detrimental tothat, then it's kind of hard to
just automatically take yourspouse aside just because she's
your spouse, because they'rewrong.
Sometimes they're wrong, youknow right and vice versa, like
it could work either way.

Speaker 4 (27:28):
So I think it's more situational, but in the grand
scheme, right if everybody'ssort of equally right or equally
wrong, or it's a big gray area,then I agree with you guys, you
should always so but circlingback to kind of the question
what would, what could, whatcould your spouse possibly do
that would be detrimental toyour family?
Oh man, finances.
The biggest thing is probablyfinances.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
Right, if she's if she's the type of young lady
that is not sustaining thehousehold financially and
bringing you guys down, or justlavishly spending, not concerned
with the greater good for thechildren or whatever.

Speaker 5 (28:01):
Those are the kind of things that parents can get
involved with right, becausethey see that sort of thing, so
I know that happens quite a bit,but wouldn't that be a
situation where you also woulddeal directly with your spouse,
like your parents shouldn't beinvolved in your marriage but
wait, what happens if you'regoing to your parents?

Speaker 4 (28:18):
for help but you shouldn't, but.
I'm just saying this is anextension of that issue, If they
have a relationship with theirfamily they might go to their
parents, like what do I do?

Speaker 5 (28:33):
but in that situation you you're, when you say your
vows, you're saying that yourspouse is the end-all, be-all,
so you shouldn't be going toanybody else outside of your
relationship for anything else.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
So but listen to this .
What happens so your?

Speaker 5 (28:40):
spouse could be like hey, you're going outside of our
relationship to go talk to yourparents about this, so your
mortgage is due marriagecounseling yes, your spouses,
you guys have overspent let'ssay you have a budget, your
spouse is due.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Marriage counseling your spouses.
You guys have overspent.
Let's say you have a budget,your spouse has overspent which
he does frequently, and yourmortgage is due and you and the
kids are about to be thrown out,so you have to go to your
parents to get money to sustain.
You have no other choice I'mmaking this up.
Let's say that's the type ofsituation that happens
consistently.
That happens consistently.
Your parents eventually aregoing to say wait a minute, what

(29:07):
are you guys doing?
And then you're going to haveto admit I talked to my wife
over and over again, but she'snot living up to her part of the
financial picture I get as towhy you would go, but that
initial conversation and theremedy for that needs to happen
with the spouse right.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
So I have a friend and a friend of mine.
So she's been married.
They have two kids.
They've been together a longtime.
Her husband ended up losing hisjob.
He lost his job or he quit, Idon't remember.
One of the two lost his job andwas pretending to still go to
work for like a full for like afull year still paying for child
care, not pretending to go towork.

(29:45):
Didn't have a job where was hegoing was racking up these,
those, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
God only knows where he was going?

Speaker 4 (29:51):
yeah, I don't even know, but like so that's that
situation that you're kind ofspeaking about.
Yeah, the debt that she was andshe still she stayed with him.

Speaker 5 (29:58):
God, I don't know how you don't even talk to nobody.
You talk to your parents.
You can talk to him anyway.
I'm out right if you lie likethat for a whole straight up
year.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
There's no conversation right, I mean not
with saying normal people likeno no, I'm not gonna pay.

Speaker 5 (30:13):
It would depend on you.
She might be staying fordifferent reasons.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
See, that's a class that d must be good dick,
dickmatized.

Speaker 5 (30:21):
He's like bitch, I don't have a job, but let me
give you some pipe.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
No, but like the duke is better, like if you don't
have a job, like if someonetells me they don't have a job
I'm like ooh baby come stay atmy house.

Speaker 5 (30:32):
I know you fucking lying.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
They know what they doing.
They got time.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Oh my God, what is happening right?

Speaker 2 (30:38):
now.
Yeah, we just we done went offtrack again.
Sorry, let the best the D, theD but.
I mean it's just kind of weirdbecause you know you have.
I mean you say your vows you'rein love, especially when kids
are involved.
When kids are involved it'skind of hard, no matter.

(30:59):
I tend to believe okay, youhave your spouse and your spouse
is whatever.
Let's just say your spouse isratchet.
I believe that you should keepeverything in the household.
So when your parents getinvolved, they're involved
because you made them involvedand I don't believe that they
should be involved because whatgoes on in your household should
stay in your household.
So some, a lot of times, youknow you have these situations
where you get the.

(31:20):
You know the man and woman theyconfide in, their mother, their
father, and then they getinvolved into and then then the
whole family don't like youright and they become not.

Speaker 5 (31:28):
They're not neutral anymore like they're completely.
Everything you do is wrong fromthat point on, like it causes a
rift in the relationship whereit didn't need to be right.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
So I'm just in my opinion.
That is a lot of times.
I just believe when thingshappen you should supposed to
keep your family outside of it.
Um, just because you don't getto the point where you know
people don't like each other andyou know, especially when
you're ready to lead the person,then you done gave it everybody
in your family, your business.
So they sitting around talkingabout like why is she still with
him?

Speaker 4 (31:53):
you know that type of thing, and then it's weird when
you bring them around, becauseyour parents have a negative
opinion about someone, eventhough it's not.
They don't really, theyshouldn't, because they wouldn't
have known the things thatyou're saying, right exactly
exactly but let's be honest andI'm not married.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
but let's be honest, especially to married people
Tell me that when things gosouth with your mate, I mean
depending on it it can't be justa regular argument that your
mom or your dad or your closestconfidant doesn't know something
about it.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
Because everybody needs somebody to talk to
outside of that.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
And so just by doing that, that's the outlet that
most people need just for theirown emotional sanity like you
need that outlet.
So I mean many times itwouldn't be the mother or father
, but maybe it is.
If you have a really closerelationship it could be the
best friend, it could bewhatever, but either way you're
tainting that person's opinionof that other spouse.
That's correct regardless.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
I think when, at least in my case, if I
intentionally tell my momsomething, then I, I basically
the relationship is over,because my mom would never let
it go.
So I mean honestly, when I havesituations, I, if I confide in
somebody, I confide in otherpeople and I wouldn't confide in
my mom because yeah, my mom,she gets a hold of it, she does
not let it go so judgmental.

(33:05):
Yeah, she yeah, I would nevertell anything.
So, but I mean, it's to eachhis own, but I would never tell
my mom anything, because that'sjust into my relationship now,
because every time somethinghappened, like you sure, oh, I
don't know what you're gonna do,but she was with this person
and you know.
You know she probably won't doit again, like I don't want to
hear that for the rest of mylife.
So if if I do confide insomebody's probably won't be my

(33:26):
mom, at least I don't know whatyou guys.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
You know, I wonder if that's a guy thing, because
like I could go to my parentshouse and my mom could take one
look at me and she could be likewhat's wrong?

Speaker 1 (33:36):
what's wrong?

Speaker 3 (33:37):
something is wrong and I could be like no, mom, I'm
good, everything's okay, andshe's like you're lying to me,
something is wrong.
Like she can read me my momknows me yeah now my mother.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
I don't think she's oblivious to that.
Do you think it's because wemeet males, or do you think it
would like?
I don't know, I feel like it'sdifferent from my brother.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Like he, I feel like my mom can probe him and he's
just like ma, leave me alone.
I don't want to talk about it,but my mom can probe me and it's
like I start like she knowsexactly what buttons to push for
me to just be like.
You know what this is, what'sgoing on.
I don't talk about it, but youknow what I mean.
Like back off a little bit, Idon't want to talk about it, but

(34:17):
you know it might be.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
It might be situational because we're not my
family's not reallyaffectionate.
We're not affectionate.
Are we affectionate?
No, we're not like affectionate.
We're not like affectionatetype of we.
Our affection is is a littledifferent.
We crack jokes.
That's our affection.
Like I would you know, we wecrack with each other.
We we say jokes about you.
That's our affection yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
So I remember when I first met your family, it was
like y'all could not have asingle conversation without it
being like what you doing?
Bum, yeah, right, it's likebitch, yeah, literally nigga
you're like.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
It's just like it's like.
So that's our affection.
Our affection is, I like we wekind of like crack jokes.
We crack jokes my, you know, mysister talks shit about my
mother every day every day I'mtalking shit.
I'm like why are you sittinghere being fucking lazy?
But that's our way.
So if we stop saying that, thenyou's like okay something's
going on, right because we, we,just, we just never.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
I don't think we really hug, we don't really hug
her yeah, when I met, when Iwent met antoine for the first
time, I was like I don't thinkyour sister likes you, like she
real mean.
And oh, my sister learned, likethat's, that's, that's how they
are exactly that's my sister.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
My sister, her way of showing how she feels about um,
I guess the wolf of us she's,she might.
She used to smack me in my headand just do.
Really, she beat me to a broom.
One time she's gonna get mad.
I'm telling the story she beatsyou but she, like, is lovingly
loving it right, she used towatch me um all the time my
sister, me and my sister, eightyears apart.
So she, she was always incharge.
I was 16, she was eight, um,she used to beat me with the

(35:37):
broom.
What else she used to do to me?
She used to um like I wouldlook under her door.
She'd be in her room underlistening to like um elder barge
or the debar.
And she would stick a broomunder the door and hit me in the
face with the broom.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
Just like weird stuff like that.
She's like love you, yeah, well, you're going to meet my sister
.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Well, this is a text I sent her yesterday.
I said, hey, stupid bitch, whatwas the name of the store you
told me about she's like it'scalled at home, you little
dumbass.
So that's our way of showingthat we not care.
That's the second part of ourtopic.

Speaker 5 (36:11):
Wait, so your sister is eight years older than you.
My sister is eight years, soshe's 60?

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Oh, wow, that's a low blow.
No, no, boo-boo, my sister'snot 60 years old.

Speaker 4 (36:23):
Because you're like 52.

Speaker 5 (36:25):
Huh, you're 52.
No, I'm not 52.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
I'm like Peter Pan, so you're like 52.
Huh, you're 52.
No, I'm not 52.
I'm like Peter Pan.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
So you're like 100.
Yeah, no.

Speaker 5 (36:34):
Yeah, kind of sort of Whatever.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
He's middle-aged.
Whatever it's fine, it's fine.
Whatever it's fine.
You look good for 52, boo,whatever, okay, it's nice.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
Whatever it's like nice, wait till I get the shape
up.
Y'all bitches gonna be hating.
You're right, they're gonnahate you boom, get the blackout.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
So what is the second part of the topic, the siblings
?

Speaker 5 (36:52):
oh so, if you could make $3,000 a week.
Now you said $5,000 no, it's$5,000, oh shit okay, $5,000 a
week, I'll do it for three yearsfor the next 15 years, would
you stop talking or associatingwith a sibling Word, a sibling
or all of them?

Speaker 2 (37:11):
All of them I got seven.
All of them.
No, all of them, all of them.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
So check, sign the check.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
Oh my God, I could not, would you do it?

Speaker 5 (37:21):
No, I just can't live without my brother.
I can't, I'll be fine.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Oh, you as a bastard, because I was going to say no.

Speaker 5 (37:27):
Oh shit, no new friends.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
He lying, he lying his ass off.
He say that now he would stillhave us.

Speaker 5 (37:34):
We can pretend Basically.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
He lying.

Speaker 5 (37:36):
See, I'm like so me and my siblings.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
We're close but we don't even check in with each
other.

Speaker 5 (37:48):
We all kind of like live lives basically that's what
I'm saying each other, we seeeach other and it's okay.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
So I feel like you take it for granted.
Show me the money.
You didn't have them.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
He's full of shit my brother's full of shit you're
going back to it, you'recircling back?
I think so he's full of shit Ithink he's a little upset are
you mad sir.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
No, I'm not mad, but he's full of shit tell him why
you're mad.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
No, I think.
No, I think it's full of shit.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Trust me, my brother, he needs he.
He needs us just as much as weneed him.
He's full of shit.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
He's full of shit.
Give your brother a hug.
He was like still right behind.

Speaker 5 (38:12):
Chuck, I'll still take the money you said.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
No, I'm not a money guy, I'm not a money guy, so I'd
rather have my brother thanmoney.
I'm a loner, so I'm good withthe money.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
He says he's a loner.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
He's not a loner, he, I'm a loner, so I'm good with
the money.
I'll be by myself.
He says he's a loner.
He's not a loner.
He likes to believe he's aloner, I'm a loner, loner of how
, when I have two roommates,they be sitting here.
They be like watch TV with us.

Speaker 5 (38:36):
Beeline to the room.
Close the door.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
So you think you could live without your siblings
, Me and.

Speaker 4 (38:47):
Jamal, you full of shit.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
I'll be fine 15 years Because it's 15 years, right,
yeah, that's fine, I'll see youin 15 years.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
No, he full of shit 15 years without your siblings
15 years without your siblings.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
I'm still a spring chicken, I'll be fine.
Well you're almost 40 years old.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
You'll be okay.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
That's quite alright and I'm okay with that.

Speaker 5 (39:12):
I couldn't do that I'm gonna just go to them for
some money.
Listen, this boy right here,because they're getting five
thousand.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
This boy who needs to go to them for five thousand a
week?

Speaker 5 (39:20):
shit, what the fuck this boy, this boy right here,
he could buy new siblings.
He needs.
He needs us trust me newsiblings.
He needs us he looks so hurt.
Right now I need you to likesay something.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
I'm not hurt, I just know he's full of shit can you
guys have a brotherly hug no,he's full of shit.
Can you do?

Speaker 5 (39:35):
something that makes you like, even just like a
brotherly dab dab it out 15,it's just not.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
15 years is not worth .
I'm not a money guy, so 15years is just not worth it.

Speaker 4 (39:45):
I haven't spoken to one of my brothers in like five
years, so I'm good on that.
My other brother I haven'tspoken to him in who knows how
long either, so the rest of them, we're gonna be good if I'm
making the money they're gonnacome to you.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Be like hey, remember us but but money, but think
about I think kind of caught theconcept of money, though money
is, money is good, everybodyneeds it.
If you don't have it, you wantit.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
But just think about as much as you like to say you
don't like, you don't care aboutmoney, money rules the world.
What you gonna do without money?

Speaker 2 (40:12):
it does rule the world, but I know but I don't
money, don't bring me happinessall the things, because all the
things that I have, that I want,it doesn't involve money right,
but you know what makes you,what makes me happy when my
bills is paid.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
You know what pays my bills, bills, money.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Has your bill ever went over?
Have it been late?
Have you been discharged?
Let it discharge.
Let it go into foreclosure.
Foreclosure no listen, let yourcar get repoed.

Speaker 5 (40:39):
He was like you talk a basic bitch language.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Think about it.
If it has been done to you, didyou survive it?
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (40:49):
He's like I want you on the corner asking for
cheeseburgers.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
But think about it, I mean maybe just me.

Speaker 4 (40:57):
I was always so crazy as a kid Like I never grew up
with money.
I didn't have money at all.
Growing up, we lived offgovernment assistance, like we
were going to to like food banksto get food.
You know what I mean.
So I think that's why I havesuch a crazy relationship with
money.
But at the same time it's likeI'm so crazy now where it's like
I have to make sure all mybills are paid.
I'm good way in advance.
I could never be that person.

(41:17):
We're like oh, my bill'soverdue, now I have to spend
another $75?
I don't know, I'm just toocrazy.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
But think about it he was at zero.
At one point he was at zero.
Was it miserable being at zero?

Speaker 4 (41:32):
Yeah, no, but I was also a kid well, so that's what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Like it's not that miserable being at zero so, guys
, let me, let me offer thisright.
So I think you guys are lookingat money the wrong way.
If you look at money selfishly,money won't mean as much.
But if you look at money as anopportunity to, to leave a
legacy for your children, or togive, to give away to, to give
to other people in need, if youlook at money more broadly, then
it should become a lot moreimportant to you.

(41:58):
Because, first and foremost,most people try to leave a
legacy for their kids, right?
They try to leave.
I don't care if it's realestate or whatever, just
something that their kids, sotheir kids don't have to
struggle like they did, right?
And so if you look at itinwardly and say I could have
the finest car, the finestclothes, blah, blah, blah, then
you may like it for that or youmay not like it for that, but
that, that is a very inward kindof view of money not even

(42:22):
having nice clothes are nicethings.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
So for you, he's talking about his bills.
Exactly so for you, like for me, I have serious anxiety about
not having my bills paid.
You know what I mean.
Like I couldn't imagine.
Like not having a place to live, not having a place to sleep,
not having food, you know what Imean?
Those are just basicnecessities that I couldn't
imagine living without.
And you're saying go withoutpaying those bills for a little
bit, it'll be fine, it's cute.
I do it all the time.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
No, I don't do that.

Speaker 4 (42:45):
But okay, so do you personally know what it's like
to not have to like miss out onyour mortgage payment.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (42:51):
And you're okay with living that life.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
I'm not okay.
Like I was, I didn't feel likeI was dying.
I didn't like to not have it.
It's just honestly I had.
There's been times I didn'thave it and then this time I had
too much of it and I didn't seethe difference.
It didn't.
To me, there was no different.
Like you, make your ownhappiness If you, if you poor,

(43:15):
you make the best even matter.
If I have it, I'm happy, but ifI don't have it, I'm also happy
.

Speaker 5 (43:20):
There's no fun in being poor.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
No To you maybe I'm just saying to me it doesn't
matter.

Speaker 5 (43:27):
There's fun times when you're poor, but overall
you're like fuck this shit.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
Making the best of a situation is one thing, but
glorifying being poor.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
I never said glorifying being poor, no, I'm.
No.

Speaker 5 (43:40):
I never said glorifying, I'm just saying I
don't see, like if I, if I was,poor and I've been poor and I've
been poor and I don't want toever do that again.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
Exactly right that's exactly so we work so hard,
because it's like I don't wantto be in that point where it's
like my credit sucks, I can'tafford food.
I have to live off food.
You know, nobody wants to livenow.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
I feel like you're a slave to that situation.
I don't want to be asleep.
I don't like to be a slave toanything, I think.
What do you mean?

Speaker 5 (44:03):
gmac was on point with what he said.
It's all about what's comingafter you, right?
So it's about being able to setsomething up for your children.
Take your kids away.
Take your kids away I'm.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
I'm talking, I'm basing it off of just me, just
me, me being me, and I'm nottalking about kids, because kids
I'm definitely like I'm nottrying to be poor, because my
kids are not gonna be poor.
I'm saying if it was just meand I was had no money, I think
I would be okay.
I'm really like five thousand aweek, please, that's a nigga
right there, what's no money toyou?

Speaker 4 (44:32):
because you're saying if you had no money you'll be
fine.
What is no money?
No, money is um like living onthe corner no money, or just
barely scraping by no money,because that's too.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Living check to check is no money to me, that's not
no money, though.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
If your bills are paid, you got money.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
No living check to check.
I'm talking about living checkto Meaning that if I mess up a
check, then I'm done.
That's what I'm talking about.
I'm not talking about like youwork in, your check comes in and
once the check comes in, youhave nothing else like, so you

(45:03):
basically just live in the worldjust living the work everyone
right struggle I'm not tryingthat.
That's okay to me.
I'm now y'all talking aboutpoor, poor, when I, when I say
poor and I don't, I'm not tryingto be that poor I'm not trying
to be like you don't havenothing, like I'm panhandling,
type of thing.
I'm just talking about like Idon't need excess money.

Speaker 5 (45:21):
I don't need extra money.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
I don't need that 5,000 a week is a lot do you?

Speaker 2 (45:29):
do the math 5,000 a week times 52 weeks that's not a
lot.

Speaker 5 (45:34):
That's a quarter of a million a year you can do so
many investments.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
You can do so much good with that.
I can give the guy on thecorner a cheeseburger $5,000 a
week is what is that?
That's $20,000 a month.

Speaker 5 (45:49):
It's $260,000 a year, that's not really a lot of
money.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
That's not a lot of money it's really not, not today
.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
It's great, at least five of us in here is not making
$200,000 a year.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
No One day.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
I mean y'all need to do better than us.
I'm just saying we're not.
So, that's a lot.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
You're right, we're not making it, but it would be
nice.
I want to know which one is.
So I'll take that $5,000.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Maybe Mac making that , I'm not making that.
Well, yeah, I'm not making that.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
I'm here doing podcasts, that's what software
engineering will do for you.

Speaker 5 (46:26):
That's what coronavirus will not do for you,
so back to your siblings, thenyou guys are willing to give up.
I said I would not do that, Iwouldn't give up my siblings.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
Yeah, I stand by my answer.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
I changed my mind For 15 years, I wouldn't do that.
You wouldn't do it.
I have two older brothers andthere's no way I would do that.
Wait.
So how?

Speaker 4 (46:42):
many siblings do we have?
She's like I wouldn't give upmy sibling.
She probably has like onesibling.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
No, do you only have one sibling Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
And you.
So you got seven at you.
Bye, oh shit.
He's giving, he's throwing upthe deuces.

Speaker 5 (47:02):
And so so, jay bull you saying you won't give up
because you have I mean you havetwo siblings.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
Wait, you said yes first, but now you're no I said
yes at first because I know thatwe, we kind of all live our
lives.
We barely talk now but for 15years now that's that's not
worth it it's not it'll go bylike that yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
And then I'm like hey , guys want to go to Paris, so
think about it.
How old are you now?
You say you're 25?
25.

Speaker 4 (47:21):
15 years, I'll be what 40.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
So take away 15 years .
Do you remember when you wasdoing it, when you was at 15?
You was 15 years old, right?

Speaker 4 (47:39):
That's they were doing at 10 years old.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
I remember nobody I know I remember, so that's what
I'm saying.
So 15 is a long time.

Speaker 4 (47:42):
15 years is a long time.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
I'm okay with that but you might not okay, how's
your relationship with yoursiblings?

Speaker 4 (47:46):
I don't really.
I mean, I love my siblings, weget along but, I we like I
haven't spoke to my brother inyears.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
My sister okay, so it's easy for you to get rid of,
exactly like when we see eachother, it's like we can catch up
know what I mean, but it's notlike we have that relationship
where we talk every day.
You know what I mean.
Same here, I'll be fine.
So Mac, so Mac.
What about you?
You're pretty close to yourbrothers.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Very close.
Can you give up 15 years?
Absolutely not.
I mean, we play in a bandtogether.
They're musicians.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
He does everything.
Whack-ass brother would give uphis.
He would give up me and my twosisters and me and my brother.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
I'm ashamed of you.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
I'm ashamed of one of you Not me, because I'm good.
I wouldn't give him up.

Speaker 5 (48:24):
I think that you have to be nicer to him maybe, than
he wouldn't give you up.
I'm nicer to my brother.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
I was about to move to Florida and my sister would
not allow me.
She got on the phone andstarted it's them, it ain't me.
I'm good, I was moving toFlorida.
She gets on the phone, youcan't do this.
Blah, blah, blah.
I was like I'm still going.
She hangs up on me, calls him,makes him call me to try to talk
me out of it.

(48:49):
Also, I'm good, I can walk thefuck away.
He can give us up, but we can'tgive him up.
He don't explain that you knowanything, he gets in trouble, I
make sure.
For $5,000 a month, I'll begood.
I won't need you, I'm not eventalking about financially, Like
I'm always like if somebody'smessing with him, I'm like right
there, $5,000 a month, I'llhire somebody.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
He's such a liar we need to deep dive into this.
Okay, beat twice because, ofhim.

Speaker 5 (49:15):
He did not.
I believe it.
Huh, I believe it, he did notOkay.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
He had a situation, he got in a fight once.
For me he wouldn't lie aboutthat, twice.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Twice, twice.

Speaker 5 (49:25):
What was the second time?

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Recently Was it last year.

Speaker 5 (49:29):
Oh shit, Last year you got your ass beat.
What was?

Speaker 2 (49:32):
it Bethlehem I bath.

Speaker 4 (49:35):
Okay, see, I got so twice, so twice.
Who beat you up in bath?
There ain't nothing but likethree people in the bath.
Nobody beat me up in my ass, sowhat?

Speaker 2 (49:43):
happened was.

Speaker 5 (49:46):
You want me to bring it up?
No wait, I want to know.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
We can talk about it all.
So I've been in two fightsbecause of him.

Speaker 5 (49:54):
You got your ass beat both times.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
No.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
I didn't get my ass beat I can't even picture you
fighting.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
I didn't get my ass beat, he's middle aged, he
doesn't fight anymore so one guyI beat.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
He's a felon.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
I had to fight a felon is he a felon?

Speaker 3 (50:11):
he's a felon.
He did time.
No, I don't think he did.
He didn't do no time behind it,so it was one guy.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
I got in a situation, then it was another time.
Shit, it was like a year ago.
I got in a situation.

Speaker 5 (50:25):
That was a long time ago, though that was a long time
ago, oh no, not a year ago.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
I was drunk, so I called him, of course, and I
came.
I was home with my family.
I'm 40 years old.

Speaker 5 (50:39):
That's a good brother .
I'm 40 years old.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
That had to be like 10 years old.
Well, my other brother's inNorth Carolina, I can't call him
.
So I'm 40 years old and I hadto come out my you know I came
all the way.
I had to drive what 35 minutesto come up there.

Speaker 4 (50:51):
Girl.
About 35 minutes Was not thatlong.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
It's not that long, but my son, my son helped me too
.
My son had to come with me.
No you?

Speaker 3 (50:58):
didn't.
Oh my god, yes, my son, he hada broken foot and I did it with
a broken foot.
He had a broken foot.
He was in a boot and I was in aboot and I fought him in a boot
.
You can't even listen, I can'teven see you fighting.

Speaker 5 (51:08):
I have a whole new respect for you.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
I can't see this you should re-see her would.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Believe it or not.
I'm not who you think I am.
Would you tell him I don't gota bad like.
My temper is kind of bad.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Okay, wait, I have personally seen Tyson in a fight
.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Yeah, my temper is I'm not who you think I am, so
you're an angry elf, he canbring it.
I could go high.
He's mean to me sometimes atwork, no, I go kind of high
sometimes.
He can bring it me.
Sometimes at work, no, I gokind of high sometimes.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
He can bring it, so you're an angry elf.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
No, my mom used to say she think I got an anger
issue, but over the years sinceI had kids, I've been able to
calm it down.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
I think that should be your new name.
What Instead of PerfectScenario?

Speaker 2 (51:48):
But I didn't call you when I beat that guy's ass in
Miami in the hotel room Becausehe's not going to driving to
Miami.
That's the only thing.

Speaker 5 (51:57):
That's why I'm serious right now.

Speaker 4 (51:58):
He is he real mad he's so proud.

Speaker 5 (52:00):
He's like I didn't call you that time.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
No, but all I'm trying to say is- $5,000 a week,
I'll be fine.

Speaker 4 (52:06):
For 15 years.
When it comes to my siblings Iwon't get into any trouble.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
When it comes to my siblings, I'm there when they
Miami.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
I wasn't coming to Miami.
I had to fend for myself.
I wasn't coming to Miami.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
I come 35 minutes away.
I initiated the fight, so Ishouldn't even say I had to fend
for myself.
I initiated it.
You slow walked somebody againyeah someone sat on the bed and
I was tired of him talking so Ihit him in the eye.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
Oh, Jesus Lord have mercy.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
What's happening right now?

Speaker 2 (52:37):
He ain't never going gonna listen to this podcast,
but I was in in miami okay wegot, we gotta start this is.
This is another flyboy story,so everybody listen up.
Let's hear your story.
Okay, what happened?
I was in miami with jay and someother friends don't name drop,
go ahead, they don't know whothe fuck he is.
Uh, I was with another friend,a straight friend, and it was a

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bunch of gays, and thisparticular person was, I guess,
jealous of the relationship, thefriendship that me and my
friend had, that I came downwith us so he was trying to push
up on my friend and my friendwas like I ain't trying to hear
none of that gay shit.
Right.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Wait the straight, I'm losing the straight guy.
I can't say names, Okay let me.

Speaker 5 (53:25):
Make up names, make up names, make up names.
Kyle, kyle.
So Kyle came down.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
Is.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Kyle the straight guy .

Speaker 3 (53:31):
Kyle is my straight friend.

Speaker 5 (53:34):
I need.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
Raul, well, before you start the story, you said
there's a bunch of gays this isyour quote Bunch of gays.
And then you have a straightfriend.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
Kyle is a straight friend.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Kyle came with me down to Miami.
He's my best friend, so Kyle'sstraight.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
Yeah, he's my best friend.
I never heard of Kyle, we justmade up that name.
He's my best friend.
Oh, I forgot never.
I never heard.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
I never heard, no he's my, he's made up that name.

Speaker 5 (54:00):
He's my best friend oh, I forgot, it's a made up
name.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Okay, okay, so continue I have straight friends
so they are cool with me beinggay, like it's okay.
I mean, I get that.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
But okay yeah, okay, all right, y'all are going off
on attention.
We got kyle, who is straight,and then we got Larry Curly and
Moe.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Well, anyway, some dude was there.
Okay, he was a friend of afriend of a friend.

Speaker 4 (54:27):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
I didn't know this motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Was he straight or gay?

Speaker 4 (54:30):
He was gay.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Okay, he said gay.

Speaker 4 (54:33):
We'll call him Billy Billy.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Billy the badass.
So well, billy the badass, thewhole freaking trip that we were
down.
This was during Hurricane Sandyand we got stranded down there
and stuff like that.
The whole trip.
He was just talking shit.

Speaker 5 (54:46):
Like what kind of shit?

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Just talking shit, underhanded shit, just talking
shit to me.
So I brushed it off.
Because I was invited to thetrip, this is their trip and
shit like.
Because I was invited to thetrip, this is their trip and
shit like that I was invited in.
So I brushed it off.
I didn't want no problems, I'mlike whatever, whatever,
whatever.
So one day we went to the club.

(55:11):
I was drinking.
I had Hennessy, you knowHennessy.

Speaker 5 (55:15):
He tears you up, you know makes you a little angry.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
You know he comes in the room talking shit.
Had nerve to sit on the bednext to me.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
We're talking about Billy.
You're talking about Billy, or?

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Billy sat on the bed next to me, okay, or Kyle, no.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
Billy.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Billy okay.
Kyle came in with Billy.
They were out running thestreets and stuff like that, and
you know, billy comes in andstarts talking shit I'm, I'm
drunk, I'm tired, I I want tosleep.
He comes, sits next to me,still talking shit, so all I did
was sit up and he fell off thefucking bed and hit the

(55:58):
nightstand and hit his face allup and then we started tussling
and then kyle had to come andbreak us up and shit like that
and pushed billy into thebathroom.
It was just a, it was just awhole mess.
And then billy shoots out ofthe bathroom and grabs the iron
and takes the iron and, yes,throws the.
I'm blind.

(56:18):
I didn't have my contacts innothing.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
So you didn't see any of that.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
I saw him grab something and I saw something
coming towards me so I went thisway and the iron went like that
.
I said, oh no, thismotherfucker didn't Blah, blah,
blah.
I'm like I said I hit him withmy fist and he going to throw a
fucking iron.
So I get up and try to push myway into the bathroom and Kyle

(56:42):
wasn't letting me get into thebathroom.
He was like yo, chill, chill,chill.
I said no, I was like how?
You fucking defending him, you,my motherfucking best friend,
because he knew I was going towhoop his motherfucking ass
again.

Speaker 5 (56:52):
And that's what it was I think Billy was jealous of
.
He liked Kyle, Maybe.
So what was the issue?
No, he did like.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Kyle?
No, we all knew he liked Kyle.
Kyle knew Billy liked him.
Wait, kyle was straight though.
What's that have to do withBilly liking?
Him, I just want to follow thestory.
Okay, so Kyle was straight.
I didn't say nothing about Kyleliking him back, so Billy.

Speaker 4 (57:12):
Why was Kyle hanging out with?

Speaker 2 (57:13):
him.
Kyle is a.
Kyle went to go find girls.
Now Billy decided to follow himbecause Billy was crushing.
Kyle didn't give a fuck.
He was like, well, I don't givea fuck, but I'm going to go
find some bitches.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
That's just what it is.
All of these details areirrelevant.

Speaker 5 (57:31):
What is relevant is that he fucked Billy up.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Because clearly straight people can't hang with
gay people.
I don't know, I guess that'swhat it is.
It's just for us.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
We're just trying to process how that works.
I think G-Max is uncomfortable.

Speaker 5 (57:44):
You know what it is.
You know what it is.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Whether you believe it or not, we just Us.
I mean because I'm straight,because sometimes it's just
funny you find out like okay,most straight guys, just don't
hang with it.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
I mean maybe I'm his best friend what the fuck is
that it?

Speaker 2 (57:58):
might be different.
That might be different yeah, Imean, I could see that we had
our own room, like we had ourown room but him running around
with billy no, no, billy wasrunning around following him
like a little puppy dog oh, Ineed to know who tyler is, or
whoever he's talking about kyle,it's kyle, well after after we,
after we turn off the mic.

Speaker 4 (58:18):
So, kyle, likes Billy .

Speaker 3 (58:23):
No, Billy likes Kyle Billy.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Badass is the one I fucked up, yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:27):
Billy Badass.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Because he was talking shit to me the whole
time he was jealous of thefriendship me and Kyle had.
Keep up.
Are you still with him?
I mean, do you still chill withhim?
I don't understand.
Yeah, I can been here and there.
I'm talking about Billy Badass.
Billy is who I fucked up.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
I don't know him.
I don't know the motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
You know what I'm saying but do you still see him?
Oh, I haven't seen him in years.
He's not my friend, he was afriend of a friend, you know so.
You and your stories.
You know what we're going tohave a segment.
We're going to have a.
So your nephew started callingme Sharkisha.
Wait, my nephew who Tarek.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
Yeah, I thought we were name dropping Well he ain't
saying nothing bad about him.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
Well, I mean, I wasn't saying nothing bad about
anybody.
But I mean because this is justyour side of the story I don't
want allegedly Right.
Well, I said a name and y'allwere like oh, don't name drop.
I didn't say nothing bad aboutmy roommate.
Oh my God, we're going to havea segment where it's just going
to be your stories.
Ask my roommate, he was there.

(59:26):
He'll tell you the whole story.
Okay, you're going to have awhole segment of your little
stories.
So I guess the point of thestory is when you love your
siblings to me you would feellike you do, I would fight for
my brother as well.
No, you just said you would giveup $15,000.
I mean $5,000.
I would do that too, but if Ididn't have that option and I

(59:50):
had to fight for you, I'm goingto fight.
I'm going to fight for you.
But, you not talk to me for 15years?
Yeah, that's fine too, but youwould still fight for him not
talk to me for 15 years.
Yeah, that's fine too, but youwould still fight for him, oh
for sure, okay, oh my god, thisshit don't make no sense.