March 3, 2025 • 41 mins
What if the presence or absence of a father figure could shape the trajectory of your personal development? Our latest episode offers a deep dive into this compelling question, exploring how father figures, be they direct or symbolic, influence personal growth and relationship dynamics. We bring you candid reflections and personal stories, discussing the evolving cultural depiction of fatherhood through iconic TV dads like Uncle Phil and Carl Winslow. Join us as we unravel the unique contributions fathers provide and speculate on the societal changes that have ushered more fathers into active roles.
We then navigate the complex terrain of relationships, particularly focusing on father-daughter dynamics. These interactions often set the stage for women’s perceptions of men and self-worth. Our conversation unpacks how healthy father-daughter relationships can establish a strong foundation for self-esteem, while unhealthy dynamics may lead to insecurity and other challenges. We also reflect on societal pressures and dating expectations, examining how both men and women can sometimes enter relationships searching for validation due to the absence of a father figure.
Beyond societal stereotypes, we explore the profound emotional depth required for meaningful connections. We challenge the superficial standards often held in dating, advocating for authenticity and vulnerability as keys to lasting relationships. The episode rounds out with an intriguing look at zodiac signs, particularly the balance-seeking nature of Libras and the enigmatic persona of Scorpios, adding a fascinating layer to our discussion on human connections. Whether you're seeking personal insights or cultural reflections, this journey through family dynamics and relationships promises to be both enlightening and thought-provoking.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
I was never educated about feelings and, speaking
candidly, cared less about whoyou was or if you was getting
mad at me.
Cracked jokes on KB.
Once I sorted and pissed himoff.
I kept going Like water underrivers, half frozen.
I asked the chick how manymonths cause her stomach looked
like she was pregnant.
She was just fat.
Told me to go to hell.
Inside of a sentence.
Showed my offsprings things.
Their response showed theydetested it.
What I wanted for them was best, but within it they was
(00:26):
neglecting it.
Behind the scenes we weretalking about women and growing
(00:54):
up without fathers.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
We had some very interesting point of views.
Kat had a couple things to say.
Peaches had a couple things tosay.
Peaches had a couple things tosay.
Kitty, kitty, I'm sorry, kitty,kitty, cat, kitty, cat Still.
So Do you think it's adifference between?
(01:21):
I know One of the things yousaid was Is it different between
a girl For the projects andgirls that grew up in the house?
Is the difference between?
I know one of the things yousaid was the difference between
a girl from the projects andgirls that grew up in the house.
That was one of the things yousaid.
Right, yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:31):
With the dad in the house, you got to add that dad
piece.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Well, yeah, so what do you?
So do you think it's adifference between a girl that
grew up with their father and agirl that was out, that didn't
grow up with her father I withtheir father and the girl that
was out that didn't grow up withher father?
I personally think it is adifference To me.
I think I know women are like,oh you know, I raised my kids
(01:56):
and this and that and this, andthat I just think the formula to
have the most success is havinga father evolve.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
What do you mean?
Like let's define success.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
When I say success, I'm not saying like career-wise,
I'm talking about as awell-rounded individual.
But don't get me wrong, it isan individual that grew up
without their father.
They were well-rounded, but Ibelieve that, if you want it
statistically, I think with thefather in the home they have a
better opportunity to be umaround a well-rounded person.
(02:28):
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (02:30):
I think it's definitely contingent upon
factors.
What type of father are youabsentee father that's present?
Are you an involved father?
There's a lot of factors I'mtalking about domestic violence
in the home.
There's so many things that I'mtalking about a father that is
there.
He's like factors.
I'm talking about domesticviolence in the home.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
There's so many things that I'm talking about a
father that is there.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
He's like like I'm like daddy's girl, like you know
, when you definitely he's therelike bill cosby, but without
the rape without the put it pop.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Without the put it pop.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Because, if you think about it back then, what real
role models we had as fathersbesides James, who was always
angry.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Good times Damn.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
He was always there.
But if you think about it, whatfathers did we really have?
Well, we had him.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
We had Red Fox Sanford, had red fox sanford and
son sanford and son um, I don'tknow, because he called him big
dummy all the time, but he wasstill there though he hasn't
asked a kid if they were stupidare you stupid?
He turned out all right, yeahyeah, I want to talk about that
later, we're gonna, we're gonna.
We're gonna talk about sanford,because I got a question about
that, but go ahead.
Stay on the father, because Igot a question, because I always
(03:46):
wanted to ask somebody this,but go ahead.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
And then, um, uncle phil a fresh prince bill cosby
without the rape.
Yeah, no pill cosby.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
No pill cosby, who else?
Who else?
We had out there carl winslow.
Oh okay, yeah, carl was low.
Yep um, who else?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
the sad shit is that we could probably count on maybe
two hands.
How many black fathers we had,I don't know yeah right, we did,
wasn't too we?
Speaker 3 (04:15):
had pops too, from the waynes brothers oh yeah,
yeah, we had him and don't?
We had um, um son.
What is um chris?
Something about chris orsomething like that.
Um oh, everybody, everybodyhates chris yeah, um, I'm trying
to take all the black fathersthat's on tv.
I'm sure we're missing somebodyyeah, we definitely missing
some but it's not a lot uh,brandy, what's that moesha?
Speaker 5 (04:39):
moesha had a father, yeah, he had the worst fucking
hairline, the whole point ofthis is that we have to sit here
and like figure out yeah okay,how many did we have?
Like it's not a normal thing.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Yeah right, like that's the problem it's not a
normal thing and I hate to sayit if I feel like I don't know
if it's our in our culture.
I think things are changing.
You're starting to see a lot offathers involved.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
In the last couple years it's different than how it
used to be the last 20 years, Iwould say.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
It's a little different, but I don't know.
I do see a difference infathers being involved.
I don't know what it is, Idon't know what do they add to
the plate?
It must be some type of formulathat a father provides.
Know what it is, I don't knowwhat.
What do they add to the plate?
What kind of what's the?
Um must be some type of formulathat a father provides.
What do you think it is?
It has to be something um Iknow.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
For me it was.
It was a thing of I grew upwithout my father.
He was around, but he wasn'taround.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
But then I had my grandfather.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Okay, but my grandfather always made me be
like you know what, if I havekids, I know I'm gonna be in
their life.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Well, you know what we probably should have said,
not just fathers I'm having amale figure around because it's,
that's the, that's thedifference too, because, yeah, I
want to see, because you can, amale figure makes a difference,
right a grandfather, I thinkthe lack of like when you have
women raising sons you want toshield them from everything, and
(06:14):
that's not real life, right?
Speaker 5 (06:16):
like you can't say this is what life is like, right
, you're not always going tohave your mom there to protect
you, right, you know?
And a mother wants to kind ofdo all those things they want to
like she's nurturing anurturing, soft life, right, but
that's not reality.
That's not what they're goingto face, right, and it's like
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you know.
We also talked about it before.
Women come from an emotionalstandpoint, right, not come from
an emotional standpoint rightnot sometimes a more like
rational, logical, logicalapproach?
yeah so, and that's how theworld functions, right, like
it's like real world situations.
Sometimes we forget and we wantto protect our sons from, but
(06:58):
that's not what they need, youknow.
They need to know real life,like what it's like to be a man,
and we can't teach that.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
It's about that balance.
There's value in having afeminine energy and there's
value in having a masculineenergy.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Absolutely, Cause it helps with showing them
compassion.
You know, um, I don't want tosay love, but you know, like, uh
, you know your mother,depending on how your mother is
and what type of relationshipthat you have with her.
You know, like my mother, Iknew that I always wanted to
(07:35):
treat women right, because I sawthat my mother wasn't
necessarily I don't want to sayshe wasn't treated right, but my
mother didn't have a lot ofboyfriends.
You know it was five of us, soyou couldn't just bring no nigga
around us.
You know, and right, you know.
And then I remember when mymother did get married, she
(07:57):
married this country nigga namedJimmy.
Oh, hold on, I'm going to tellyou the story that I tell you
about when were you fixing thedoor?
Speaker 3 (08:07):
were you fixing the door?
Yeah, yeah, we got to tell thatstory, but okay, but um, hold
on, what was I just talkingabout?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
you're talking about jimmy.
Oh, jimmy, yeah, so my mothermet this guy named jimmy.
Shit, you know, I think mymother thought maybe you know,
having a male figure around, youknow, with help with her and
her five kids, you know.
And um, jimmy was all right atfirst.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
My mother got married at first yep, my mother got
married.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
We moved down south, they bought a house together and
this nigga lost his fuckingmind.
Shit To where he tried to fightmy mother and shit and my two
brothers so my two oldestbrothers, leroy and Steven.
They beat the shit out of thisnigga, damn they should.
(09:04):
And that was the last time weever saw this dude, Yo you know.
But she thought having a malefigure, that male role model you
know, would help.
You know, help her with herkids, Right, you know, I'm not
saying well, I don't want to saythat's what she thought, but
(09:26):
I'm gonna assume that's probablywhat she?
thought I'm sure it was part ofher decision.
Right, yeah, you know, becauseyou don't bring people around
your kids unless you know.
You feel that you're gonna bewith them and then when you get
married to them, you know, it'slike all right, we're family,
you know, but this nigga.
We moved down south to fuckingaugusta, georgia, and this nigga
(09:48):
lost his mind like what we did,what happened, you think,
because of all the kids.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
What like what?
Speaker 5 (09:53):
or he thought he was home in a place.
Where is he?
Speaker 3 (09:56):
from that area he took her out of from georgia.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
He took her out of her comfort zone brought her to
his comfort zone and showed hisass but you know what too, my
family's from georgia too, likemy family's from Augusta, I
think his family was probablyfrom another part of Georgia I
don't know if it was Gwinnett orI forgot what part he was from,
but you know, but yeah, andthat shit was just yeah, that
(10:24):
shit ain't last a year.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Shit.
I mean, you look at all theselike sometimes you, you drive up
these different places whereyou know it's like um, like
heavy with uh prostitutes andyou be like, damn, then do need.
If these girls had fathers intheir lives, do you think they'd
be on this corner?
I'm, I'm only maybe, I'm justbasing off of how I look at my
girls.
(10:46):
I'm like I try to give them.
I'm.
I'm a firm believer when theysay you give your girls
everything.
So when a nigga come aroundthey don't want for nothing.
That's what I do.
I try to kill them with stuff.
And it seemed to be working.
No matter what those niggascome up with, they be like well,
my dad could give me that.
So I'm starting to see it.
Now, as they get older, I'mlike, oh, dad, he wanted to do X
(11:07):
and Y Z, but you gave me thatalready.
Like, so I want to give them somuch that they they were like,
okay, I don't really need it.
It's like you raising the barright, like you gotta like, come
like hard if you really reallyreally want them.
Like, cause I already couldgive them that, so they not
gonna be laying up in your bedsomething.
Yeah, and I I really believethat if you give them, you give
them shower them with so muchstuff that they they raise the
(11:29):
bar to all these other niggas Idon't.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
I don't think it has to do with stuff.
I think it's more than juststuff.
I think it's the it's, it's thelove and attention.
Well, that's what I mean when Isay what I?
Speaker 3 (11:44):
that's what I mean.
I don't mean like materialisticyeah, because materialistic
things is no I just I, just Ifeel like it, but it's the the
way that you know thepresentation I think raising the
bar was a good analogy.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Just raise the bar like in general, right, like you
care enough to provide thosethings for them, and then it's
not just gonna be.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
He didn't gonna be just coming with any old
bullshit and be like, okay, it'sgonna pass.
So I I really believe that's,you know, and I'm not sure that
I'm not.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
I'm not saying that a single mother can't do that,
but it hits a little differentum but it's also when you have a
situation like single parentsright, they have the stress of
being two people, right, um, andthat takes away from some of
the nurturing that they canprovide.
You know what I mean.
A lot of times, when you havesingle-parent homes and you have
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the children, they'reself-sufficient, they're tough,
they're more resilient thanother people and that's due to
the fact that they were builtthat way.
So that becomes a toughexterior and it's harder for
people to break into that.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
I mean.
So what do y'all females thinkabout fathers being involved?
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Well, I definitely think that there is a benefit if
it's a healthy situation, right, if you have someone who's
present and they're providing,like you know, healthy things
like support and guidance, andyou know this is what you should
look for in a man.
You know healthy things likesupport and guidance and, um,
you know this is what you shouldlook for in a man.
You know advice, just to bethere, right, like that's the
(13:14):
first man that you love.
You know when and you'resetting the standard, you're
setting that bar so that whenthese scruffy niggas like what
it's a, it's a meme, right, andthey're like, I do all these
things for my daughter, daughter.
So when this dusty nigga comesalong and tries to take her to
miami, she's not impressed.
She's not impressed, right Imean that's viral so, but it
(13:36):
says a point, right, like you'retrying to put in place some of
these things with your daughtersso that they know their value,
they know their worth, right,they're not just willing to
accept olive garden let me askyou.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Let me ask you something.
When you say that, when you saythat, um, a woman is a woman,
her father is the first man thatshe falls in love with.
So what if her father is adusty nigga?
Speaker 5 (14:13):
A healthy one.
She did put in a disclaimer ofhealthy Because fathers can be
womanizers to their daughters.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
And then that's the other question Does a daughter?
Speaker 5 (14:25):
want to date a dusty womanized nigga.
So you mean a daughter want toupdate in a dusty womanized ass
nigga.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
So you mean a father that presents himself as a
womanized to his daughter?
So she's actually seeing herfather.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
No, I'm saying what I was saying.
The disclaimer I made was ifit's a healthy relationship with
the children.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
So, believe it or not , fathers have daughters and
they expect them to call themlike they.
Women would like a milliontimes to do things like that.
Are you going to show up to mygame and call them constantly
and text them?
That's like a cycle.
Right there You're teachingthem how to interact with other
men.
So she's calling you nonstop.
(15:04):
What is she going to do whenshe get into a relationship?
Speaker 5 (15:06):
She's going to call that man nonstop and he's not
going to respond and he's notgoing to show up and he's going
to be emotionally unavailablebecause that's what you're doing
but in a healthy relationshipwhere the father just shows up
because that's his obligation,right, the the daughter gets
used to that type of behaviorand she thinks that men should
just show up for her Right, andthat's setting the bar and
(15:30):
that's her knowing her worth andher value Right, and that's
where the worth and the valuecomes from.
If you don't have someone who'sthere to tell you certain things
about men and how they behaveand how you should react as a,
as a woman, towards them, that'swhere you get the promiscuity
from.
That's where you get a lot ofthese behaviors that people talk
about Like, okay, I must knowthat she doesn't have a father
(15:51):
Right Some of the stuff we seeon TV, things like that but yeah
, it's definitely beneficial, doyou think some?
Speaker 2 (16:00):
men are predatorial.
Knowing that she doesn't have afather.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
Yes, of course.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
To where we look for shit like that.
Yes, you know, I know, guys,that she doesn't have a father.
Yes, of course, to where likewe look for shit like that.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
Yes, you know, I know guys that do that it's, I think
, but you have to have a lowself-esteem to do that.
You have to be a beta male todo that.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Yeah, you gotta be like a bottom feeder, correct?
Speaker 5 (16:19):
like, if you know that you have to take advantage
of someone to be on top, thenyou have things that you have to
deal with yeah, it sounds likeyou got your own daddy issues
right or mommy issues.
Mommy issues, daddy issues.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
There's some issues somewhere along the line right,
I know there's definitely menthat do that anytime anyone is
navigating from a place oftrying to manipulate people.
There's some issues, even women, when women are looking for men
to make them feel like they'relike I think there was something
going on with, like somecelebrity women and they're
(16:54):
dating men that they feel likeyou know, they'll say like, well
, why was he cheating on her?
She's like the catch.
Like whenever women are datingmen and they kind of feel like
I'm the catch and you should notbe cheating on me, and things
like that.
Like there they're operatingfrom a place where they feel
they have to find someone wherethey they kind of are the the
(17:15):
top dog or, in their mind, thetop dog that they're not going
to cheat on, and they know thatthey should be dating someone
else or seeking someone else,but they're they're kind of
dealing with someone at a lowerlevel I hate to say it like that
, but someone a little lower forpurposes.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
They always say, like when you're dating someone that
you should date less than liketo to have an easier life but
because they would adore youmore than you adore them but
that that's functioning from avery low place, right, because
(17:55):
that person is, you're nevergoing to be equally yoke right,
you're manipulative too.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Yes, absolutely women are very manipulative when they
are dating with people and theysay well, why did you cheat on
me?
I'm the whole package, theyalways say.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
if you look at Beyonce or someone like her,
they said there's always onewoman.
You look at her and everybodyadores her.
There's one man on this earththat can't stand to see her
coming.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
I definitely agree with that.
I definitely agree with that.
Look at Holly Berry Right,berry right okay, you see the
track record oh yeah, well, well, you think about it because,
well, you, if you, you know howyou go out in the stores, you
see this like it'd be, like thiscrazy looking ugly guy, but you
have the beautiful woman that'sbecause nobody else want to
fuck with her exactly, exactly,or is she doing what you're
(18:43):
saying?
She's, um, she's a level, acouple of levels now.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Yeah, because if she's not willing to really date
.
I forgot who it was, but theywere saying sometimes women are
afraid to really date in the Iguess I don't want to say
bracket, but the people thatthey should be dating, because
then they actually have to dothings and they actually have to
(19:09):
have to perform.
Well, I don't think that that'sNot perform, but there's more
vulnerability there.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
Well, I think nowadays, looking at what's
actually happening with thedating pool, I think it's a
different situation.
I think that 90% of the womenare trying to get with that 1%
of man.
We have this whole thing of thesix feet six inches six figures
and I think that's fucking upthe whole dating game for people
, because if you have 90% of thewomen that are focused on these
(19:40):
few men, like there's so manymen out here and I think we
talked about it before that justaren't seeing women, they're
not seeing any type of dating,they're not seeing anything.
I think it was a statistic thatwe looked up, actually on one of
the podcasts oh yeah like Iwant to say, 83 percent of the
men that are currently dating orsingle haven't had sex in like
(20:02):
one or two years hold up who themen or the women yes the men
wow, oh, women could get sex,but women could get it, but
they're all fucking the same guyright.
And then they get upset whenit's like why aren't you?
Like, babe, you're a pick ofthe, you're monday, right?
You know what I'm saying?
Like if you're, if everyone'sgoing for the same guy, there's
got to be a rotation for himthat's not even any.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Even so, that's, that's one.
That's true that everybody'sgoing for the same guy and then,
um, statistically womenoutnumbered guys anyway I'll
take six inches or more.
I don't need six figures I'lltake nine, so you would get the
six inches, the six inch dick Isaid I'll take nine inches.
Thank you nine inches, but it'sokay, but you don't.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Kate're okay without the six-finger thing.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I make my own money.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
It makes sense.
I'll take nine inches and makea workout at McDonald's.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
Maybe as long as you've got goals.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
We can work it out With your aspirations.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
So you get the nine inches, though that leaves you
with what?
Speaker 5 (21:05):
That leaves me with nine inches.
What's the good?
Speaker 4 (21:08):
potential she got potential.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
She said he got goals that leaves him all up in my
guts.
And then what happens afterthat?
Speaker 4 (21:19):
he got goals.
We can work on that potential.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
I don't believe that y'all say that shit.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
I talk that shit because once the dick is going,
once you're done with the dick,you're like, okay, what now?
Because?
Speaker 2 (21:31):
good dick only lasts for so long.
Yeah, it does.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
It really does what I'm saying is right, but we're
talking about the six things,the six feet, the six.
You know, whatever that smallpercentage.
I'm joking.
You know things.
The six feet, six, you know.
Whatever that small percentage,like I'm joking you know for
like you're joking, but you'reserious, no but I I don't six
pack, whatever the fuck the sixthings are that they're arguing
(21:58):
about these days.
I mean, it's true, if you talkto most women, they're like I
need someone I can look up to,right.
If they're like I need someoneI can look up to, right, they're
six feet.
I need someone who's tall.
I need minimum six inches, whenyou know your cervix only holds
four or five.
But well you know that'sscientific.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Go ahead, I hear you.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
Wait what.
Go ahead, but you know to bearoused and to be able to do
something.
I feel you.
I'm just going like wait whator?
Speaker 3 (22:28):
six figures.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
You know what I'm saying, like you, that's not.
That's an anomaly.
Most men don't make six figures.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Most people don't make six figures, yeah so what
I've come to the conclusion withmyself and just like learning
myself um, I think I have.
It is more about the connection, because I feel like I don't
fit into society's standards fordating and stuff like that,
(22:57):
like I don't.
I don't really like to playgames, I'm very like upfront
about things and I'm not gonnaenjoy sex with you unless I have
some type of connection that'sbeyond sexual do you think that
scares men off at first?
I think I'm a lot, I think I'm alot to to take in definitely no
pun intended, so can yourespond.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Can you like go further?
Speaker 2 (23:28):
do you think that maybe possibly scares off a
potential life mate because youcould be a lot to deal with?
Like, are you?
Speaker 4 (23:37):
well, you're not my life if you're scared off, you
gotta take, you gotta be able toaccept all of me.
I'm an emotionally deep person.
I've accepted that.
I think that I've struggledwith making true connections and
being with people because theyhaven't had the emotional depth
that I've had and been able tohandle where I'm at.
(23:58):
Like I love hard, I feel likethere's no compromise.
You can't compromise what it is, what it is like.
You either can handle me or youcan't.
So.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I think.
I think that kind of scarespeople off, though, too.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
That's fine.
If you're scared off, you'renot.
For me, that's what it is, so.
So it has nothing to do withsix figures, six inches and
things like that.
It's just an emotionalconnection.
If you can't meet that, thenthat's really.
We're just not compatible.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
So you're saying that a guy has to be willing to deal
with you emotionally more sothan anything.
That's how you know that that'syour guy, like if he's willing
to put up with a lot.
No, it's not even put up with.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
don't say it like that I only said that because
she said I'm a lot.
So from a man's point of view,no, like a lot, saying like I
may not, I'm not gonna come offto everybody the same way, so I
may to you be seem like, oh you,you just a lot, but somebody
else me like, yeah, I could youknow this is nothing to me.
I could tame this rattlesnakeyeah like all right, it's
(25:15):
cakewalk, you know what I'msaying?
Um, it doesn't mean that I'mjust really a lie.
I'm not saying like I'm wildingout and I'm acting extra and
stuff like that.
It's just that I feel like I'man emotional person and in most
scenarios I am suppressing a lotof my emotions and kind of
(25:37):
navigating from a place that'snot authentic to me and it
doesn't work with other menbecause I'm not being my
authentic self.
So I never feel like I'm beingseen and able to be vulnerable.
But I feel like the personwho's for me.
I can be vulnerable and be seenand have these emotions and be
this person without them sayinglike yo, you're doing too much,
(25:58):
and not saying that I'm gonna beextra my emotions, but it's
just they're coming from adifferent place.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
Have you ever had a situation where you felt that,
like you had a connection withsomeone and you were able to be
your authentic self?
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Yes, and it's scary as fuck.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
So what?
So what happened?
Speaker 4 (26:16):
I ran away from him.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Wait what, what?
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Let me ask you this Hold on, we're going to come
back to that.
But let me ask you this hold on, we're gonna come back to that.
But let me ask you this what ifhe was your twin?
What if he was an emotionallyperson to where?
Speaker 4 (26:35):
he is I.
I could sense that, yes, butit's scary because to be seen
like people talk about beingvulnerable and being naked, like
when you meet somebody thatactually sees you, that shit is
scary because it's like whoa,wait a minute, what am I doing?
Speaker 5 (26:56):
But how do I and you act out?
Yes, but if you have thatperson that sees you and they're
still willing to accept allthis shit that you got going on,
is it?
And you know that you have thatperson.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
But is it a thing of them showing you a mirror to
yourself, and that's what scaresyou absolutely, but it's you
don't want to deal with a maleversion of you.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
No, I do, I'm, I'm for it so why run?
Because if you spent all thistime not seeing or feeling
accepted and stuff, if I met ame and a man, I'd be like bitch.
Yes, honey, well, I'm a littlestubborn.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
So it's almost like asking the question like would
you date yourself?
Speaker 4 (27:43):
and yes it is.
That is scary because I wasn'tthe and it's not.
It's like dating yourself, butit's also the worst, the worst
part of yourself, right?
So, like you, seeing yourselfis the good and the bad.
So now, yes, because I'm gonnato love myself, like I love this
(28:05):
person and honestly I can saylike when I see this person, I
accept this person, flaws andall, and that's scary to me,
because I accept youunconditionally, like all your
shit is like I'm okay with it.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
There was.
You guys ever watch ReasonableDoubt?
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Oh, I'm watching that now oh yeah'm watching that now
Okay, oh yeah, absolutely Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Now remember the part when she was talking with the
therapist and he asked her aboutthe question.
He said had you ever hadanybody to?
Speaker 4 (28:41):
he was talking about unconditional.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Yes, I didn't want to say it because she didn't but,
he asked her have you ever lovedanybody unconditional?
And then he broke down whatunconditional was to her.
And when he broke that down toher she was like damn, you know,
(29:03):
like I've never been loved likethat before, you know, and like
I think nowadays to findsomeone that's going to love you
unconditional, that's likefucking Bigfoot riding a unicorn
I was just about to say aunicorn.
You know what I'm saying?
It's in a rarity, you know whatI'm saying.
(29:25):
It's it's, it's in a rarity,you know.
It's not saying it doesn'thappen or whatever, but I think
nowadays everything hasconditions Absolutely but.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
I also think that sometimes you do find that and
you're backing away from it oryou don't know how to deal with
it.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I'm not saying you particular but in general, that
you may find that or you don'tknow how to deal with it.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
I'm not saying you particular, but in general, that
you may find that, but youdon't know how to deal with it,
or you don't know how to reactto it, so it you don't pursue it
right, like I'm sure that thereis someone that can love you
unconditionally, but you have tobe willing to accept it as well
so even going back toreasonable doubt, right, I don't
(30:07):
think that jacks reallyacknowledged that she was being
loved unconditionally by herhusband, because he definitely
loved her unconditionally, yes,but she didn't see that yes, she
didn't.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
It was pointed out to her by someone else yes,
exactly.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Yeah, it's scary because she was running from
that.
Yeah, definitely didn't reallylike accept it, but yeah it's.
It's a scary place to be in.
I would say.
I mean for me even to think ofloving someone unconditionally.
The only person that I couldthink of loving unconditionally
is my child, which I've, they'vecome from.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
We established yes, exactly so when you start to
think of other people.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
How did you get here, like, how did you get in the
same space as the person that Icarried for nine months?
Speaker 2 (30:57):
no, that's scary but don't you think you should hold
on to that?
Absolutely only because it tookyou so long to find.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Not so long.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
No, it took long enough.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Because, well, yeah, also because you was also
finding out who you are andyou're still finding out who you
are, absolutely.
I'm 54.
And this is shit that I did 10years ago I know I wouldn't do
now.
Shit that I did two years ago,I know I wouldn't do now.
So you're still always learningyourself and you know growth,
(31:38):
you're still evolving, but now Inotice, as I'm getting older,
it's just a lot of shit that Iwon't deal with, right?
Shit that I used to deal with.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
I used to tolerate yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Or like you said last week.
Speaker 5 (31:57):
Yeah, no for real and you just see, because it's
almost like sometimes you seeyour worth as you grow Right
Like that's not worth my time,that's not worth my energy.
It's almost like sometimes yousee your worth as you grow right
Like that's not worth my time,that's not worth my energy and
you've got to move on from that.
Perfect scenario you quiet,would you fall asleep?
Speaker 3 (32:21):
No, no, I mean, I'm just absorbing all.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Tell us why you wouldn't date yourself.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
I believe in yin and yang.
Me too.
In order for me to be able tofunction, it has to be somebody
completely opposite of me,because me and me it just don't
mix.
I'm a Libra, so I go.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
That means you lie a lot.
Why, libra, I'm not even goingto tell you.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Libras love to lie.
I'm not even going to tell you.
Libras love to lie.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
But I'm going by balance.
I'm going by the balance, abalance of days.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Hold on what are your signs.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
I'm an Aquarius, I'm a Capricorn oh shit, wow, I'm an
Earth sign.
I'm sign.
I'm a water, I'm a virgo, ohshit the virgin.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Yes, yep, that's right, that's right, but it's,
it's, yeah you said shit likethat.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
I mean, gosh, is that bad aquarius in the camp?
Speaker 5 (33:18):
uh, capricorn no, aquarius is good.
We chill until you fuck with us.
Then we act like you don'texist y'all wild cards.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
I love aquarius's.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
I got so many aquarius's in my life yeah, and
capricorns, like you said, lovehearts, so my wife is a
capricorn.
Yeah, when's your birthday?
January 13th how's this january4th?
What's this today?
Speaker 4 (33:43):
oh wow, you over here doing a podcast.
Happy birthday you.
This is, this is not good.
You over here doing a podcaston a birthday.
I already know that this is notgoing.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
This is not going to help him but no, she already
know that I'm doing a podcasthere, so she's at my place, so
yeah we're good, nice, nice yeah.
So yeah, we're good, Nice, nice, yeah yeah.
But like you were saying, likeyeah, I wouldn't, I definitely
like yin and yang, like you weresaying, I need, I have to.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I know me, and it's two me's dealing with each other
is not, it's just not.
I learned with myself that Ihave to.
I need something that's totallydifferent to me in order to
function.
Like it can't be me, like youcan't have the same.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
How is that working for you?
Is it the Libra about?
Speaker 3 (34:25):
balance right.
It's about balance, and that'swhat balance is when you did a
true balance.
It's yin and yang.
You have to have somethingthat's going to offset whatever
you.
So, whatever my faults are, Ineed somebody that's going to.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
But when you're a multifaceted person, right,
there's still balance in to me.
Um, when you're somebody that's, I guess, mirroring yourself,
because you're not, I'm not, I'mnot always showing up the same
way.
I'm gonna tell you right now,people could give people will
say their experience.
(34:58):
I got an ex that'll tell youI'm the little baby that don't
listen, like they're like that'sno limit, soldier over there,
like.
But then there's an ex that'llbe like she, sweet as pie, like
I love her.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
But you know what I think?
Everybody is different Toeverybody.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Exactly.
It depends on I'ma react how.
There you go.
I'ma respond, there you go.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
What I have learned about myself is that I get along
with any sign that is out there, Because I mean, if you look it
up, they say Libras adapt toany sign.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Do you believe in that?
Speaker 4 (35:32):
I mean some I don't trust.
Libras, I'm going to keep itreal with you, libras, don't do
that.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
I started getting information about Libras and I'm
like damn, them is some sneakysnaky.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
I don't think it's sneaky or sneaky.
I think Libras manipulate thescale to fit the-.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
You try, you try.
It don't always work, but youtry.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
To make the balance.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
Yeah, you try To make the balance.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
But if you look about every sign, pisces try to stay
in the water, they try to keepeverything natural.
It's about the sign.
So a Libra is always changingwhat you could call a lion,
manipulating whatever you wantto, adapting, adapting to.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
Oh please Adapting to .
No, it's true, I'm not eventrying to be funny.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
I'm not trying to be funny, but you're trying to keep
the balance and whatever, byany means necessary.
If you say it's lying ormanipulating, that's what it is,
but they're trying to keep thatbalance.
I'm just saying I'm going bythe signs.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
I'm not saying, that's what I do, even though
we're lying.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
We're just trying to balance the scales, no, but what
I'm saying, but you're tryingto balance the scales and for me
it doesn't work.
Me having another Libra doesnot work all the time.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
That's because Hold on.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Your mirror.
What sign is he?
Speaker 4 (36:53):
Scorpio.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
Oh, okay, they say Scorpios.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Yeah, that's like really.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
They like the devils.
Yes.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
But I love it.
All of my girlfriends in mycircle are Scorpios, except for
me.
I'm the only Aquarius.
Oh wow, I bring everybodytogether.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
But I don't.
It doesn't scare me LikeScorpios are.
They got their thing and it'slike they're all bitches I can
imagine Scorpios are.
They give you a run for yourmoney.
They give you a run for yourmoney.
They give you a run for yourmoney.
People tell me, like yo, youneed to walk away if you get
real hurt Because it's going tosting you.
(37:32):
But I'm stubborn, so you liketo get stung.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Yeah, I'm with the shits and choked out and all
that other shit.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
She's like.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
I like to be stung in more places than we're going
gonna talk about here, everyscorpion is mean, mean as hell
but see for me.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
That's why I said bitches, see, I like.
And I don't give a fuck see, I,I get that, but I also know,
like, also know the same thingwith the mirror.
They just want to be seen, theyjust want to be loved.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
At the end of the day , I want to say that Scorpios
love to be loved, but they don'tlike to get to that level to
love them.
They always want to be meanabout the love.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
That may be true.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
I always see that with the Scorpios.
I was dealing with the scorpio,she was a bitch boy.
I love her, but she was meanlike around, like if she was
like a true, like she was abitch to everybody, but in, in,
when you get intimate, she waslike totally opposite and that's
that's been like an ongoingthing.
With scorpios I met like theylike mean, but when you get them
(38:43):
alone and it's just one-on-one,they're like suckers.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
They like you know it's like attainment, like it's
soft, yeah, that's people havetheir outer like protective
factors and layers and stufflike that.
But at the end of the day, yousee the vulnerable part and
that's what attracts me is I seethe vulnerable.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
That's the mirror for me you can't be mean, you gotta
get some honey, like lure me insomehow can't be like bitch, oh
man.
I think that was it.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
I think that was it.
I think we have no more alright, I think that was it.
I think we have no more.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
All right, were you going to stop the recording.
I was never educated about feelings and, speaking
candidly, cared less about whoyou was or if you was getting
mad at me.
Cracked jokes on KB.
Once I sorted and pissed himoff.
I kept going Like water underrivers, half frozen.
I asked the chick how manymonths cause her stomach looked
like she was pregnant.
She was just fat.
Told me to go to hell.
Inside of a sentence.
Showed my offsprings things.
Their response showed theydetested it.
What I wanted for them was best, but within it they was
(00:26):
neglecting it.
Behind the scenes we weretalking about women and growing
(00:54):
up without fathers.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
We had some very interesting point of views.
Kat had a couple things to say.
Peaches had a couple things tosay.
Peaches had a couple things tosay.
Kitty, kitty, I'm sorry, kitty,kitty, cat, kitty, cat Still.
So Do you think it's adifference between?
(01:21):
I know One of the things yousaid was Is it different between
a girl For the projects andgirls that grew up in the house?
Is the difference between?
I know one of the things yousaid was the difference between
a girl from the projects andgirls that grew up in the house.
That was one of the things yousaid.
Right, yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:31):
With the dad in the house, you got to add that dad
piece.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Well, yeah, so what do you?
So do you think it's adifference between a girl that
grew up with their father and agirl that was out, that didn't
grow up with her father I withtheir father and the girl that
was out that didn't grow up withher father?
I personally think it is adifference To me.
I think I know women are like,oh you know, I raised my kids
(01:56):
and this and that and this, andthat I just think the formula to
have the most success is havinga father evolve.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
What do you mean?
Like let's define success.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
When I say success, I'm not saying like career-wise,
I'm talking about as awell-rounded individual.
But don't get me wrong, it isan individual that grew up
without their father.
They were well-rounded, but Ibelieve that, if you want it
statistically, I think with thefather in the home they have a
better opportunity to be umaround a well-rounded person.
(02:28):
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (02:30):
I think it's definitely contingent upon
factors.
What type of father are youabsentee father that's present?
Are you an involved father?
There's a lot of factors I'mtalking about domestic violence
in the home.
There's so many things that I'mtalking about a father that is
there.
He's like factors.
I'm talking about domesticviolence in the home.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
There's so many things that I'm talking about a
father that is there.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
He's like like I'm like daddy's girl, like you know
, when you definitely he's therelike bill cosby, but without
the rape without the put it pop.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Without the put it pop.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Because, if you think about it back then, what real
role models we had as fathersbesides James, who was always
angry.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Good times Damn.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
He was always there.
But if you think about it, whatfathers did we really have?
Well, we had him.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
We had Red Fox Sanford, had red fox sanford and
son sanford and son um, I don'tknow, because he called him big
dummy all the time, but he wasstill there though he hasn't
asked a kid if they were stupidare you stupid?
He turned out all right, yeahyeah, I want to talk about that
later, we're gonna, we're gonna.
We're gonna talk about sanford,because I got a question about
that, but go ahead.
Stay on the father, because Igot a question, because I always
(03:46):
wanted to ask somebody this,but go ahead.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
And then, um, uncle phil a fresh prince bill cosby
without the rape.
Yeah, no pill cosby.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
No pill cosby, who else?
Who else?
We had out there carl winslow.
Oh okay, yeah, carl was low.
Yep um, who else?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
the sad shit is that we could probably count on maybe
two hands.
How many black fathers we had,I don't know yeah right, we did,
wasn't too we?
Speaker 3 (04:15):
had pops too, from the waynes brothers oh yeah,
yeah, we had him and don't?
We had um, um son.
What is um chris?
Something about chris orsomething like that.
Um oh, everybody, everybodyhates chris yeah, um, I'm trying
to take all the black fathersthat's on tv.
I'm sure we're missing somebodyyeah, we definitely missing
some but it's not a lot uh,brandy, what's that moesha?
Speaker 5 (04:39):
moesha had a father, yeah, he had the worst fucking
hairline, the whole point ofthis is that we have to sit here
and like figure out yeah okay,how many did we have?
Like it's not a normal thing.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Yeah right, like that's the problem it's not a
normal thing and I hate to sayit if I feel like I don't know
if it's our in our culture.
I think things are changing.
You're starting to see a lot offathers involved.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
In the last couple years it's different than how it
used to be the last 20 years, Iwould say.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
It's a little different, but I don't know.
I do see a difference infathers being involved.
I don't know what it is, Idon't know what do they add to
the plate?
It must be some type of formulathat a father provides.
Know what it is, I don't knowwhat.
What do they add to the plate?
What kind of what's the?
Um must be some type of formulathat a father provides.
What do you think it is?
It has to be something um Iknow.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
For me it was.
It was a thing of I grew upwithout my father.
He was around, but he wasn'taround.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
But then I had my grandfather.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Okay, but my grandfather always made me be
like you know what, if I havekids, I know I'm gonna be in
their life.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Well, you know what we probably should have said,
not just fathers I'm having amale figure around because it's,
that's the, that's thedifference too, because, yeah, I
want to see, because you can, amale figure makes a difference,
right a grandfather, I thinkthe lack of like when you have
women raising sons you want toshield them from everything, and
(06:14):
that's not real life, right?
Speaker 5 (06:16):
like you can't say this is what life is like, right
, you're not always going tohave your mom there to protect
you, right, you know?
And a mother wants to kind ofdo all those things they want to
like she's nurturing anurturing, soft life, right, but
that's not reality.
That's not what they're goingto face, right, and it's like
(06:38):
you know.
We also talked about it before.
Women come from an emotionalstandpoint, right, not come from
an emotional standpoint rightnot sometimes a more like
rational, logical, logicalapproach?
yeah so, and that's how theworld functions, right, like
it's like real world situations.
Sometimes we forget and we wantto protect our sons from, but
(06:58):
that's not what they need, youknow.
They need to know real life,like what it's like to be a man,
and we can't teach that.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
It's about that balance.
There's value in having afeminine energy and there's
value in having a masculineenergy.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Absolutely, Cause it helps with showing them
compassion.
You know, um, I don't want tosay love, but you know, like, uh
, you know your mother,depending on how your mother is
and what type of relationshipthat you have with her.
You know, like my mother, Iknew that I always wanted to
(07:35):
treat women right, because I sawthat my mother wasn't
necessarily I don't want to sayshe wasn't treated right, but my
mother didn't have a lot ofboyfriends.
You know it was five of us, soyou couldn't just bring no nigga
around us.
You know, and right, you know.
And then I remember when mymother did get married, she
(07:57):
married this country nigga namedJimmy.
Oh, hold on, I'm going to tellyou the story that I tell you
about when were you fixing thedoor?
Speaker 3 (08:07):
were you fixing the door?
Yeah, yeah, we got to tell thatstory, but okay, but um, hold
on, what was I just talkingabout?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
you're talking about jimmy.
Oh, jimmy, yeah, so my mothermet this guy named jimmy.
Shit, you know, I think mymother thought maybe you know,
having a male figure around, youknow, with help with her and
her five kids, you know.
And um, jimmy was all right atfirst.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
My mother got married at first yep, my mother got
married.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
We moved down south, they bought a house together and
this nigga lost his fuckingmind.
Shit To where he tried to fightmy mother and shit and my two
brothers so my two oldestbrothers, leroy and Steven.
They beat the shit out of thisnigga, damn they should.
(09:04):
And that was the last time weever saw this dude, Yo you know.
But she thought having a malefigure, that male role model you
know, would help.
You know, help her with herkids, Right, you know, I'm not
saying well, I don't want to saythat's what she thought, but
(09:26):
I'm gonna assume that's probablywhat she?
thought I'm sure it was part ofher decision.
Right, yeah, you know, becauseyou don't bring people around
your kids unless you know.
You feel that you're gonna bewith them and then when you get
married to them, you know, it'slike all right, we're family,
you know, but this nigga.
We moved down south to fuckingaugusta, georgia, and this nigga
(09:48):
lost his mind like what we did,what happened, you think,
because of all the kids.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
What like what?
Speaker 5 (09:53):
or he thought he was home in a place.
Where is he?
Speaker 3 (09:56):
from that area he took her out of from georgia.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
He took her out of her comfort zone brought her to
his comfort zone and showed hisass but you know what too, my
family's from georgia too, likemy family's from Augusta, I
think his family was probablyfrom another part of Georgia I
don't know if it was Gwinnett orI forgot what part he was from,
but you know, but yeah, andthat shit was just yeah, that
(10:24):
shit ain't last a year.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Shit.
I mean, you look at all theselike sometimes you, you drive up
these different places whereyou know it's like um, like
heavy with uh prostitutes andyou be like, damn, then do need.
If these girls had fathers intheir lives, do you think they'd
be on this corner?
I'm, I'm only maybe, I'm justbasing off of how I look at my
girls.
(10:46):
I'm like I try to give them.
I'm.
I'm a firm believer when theysay you give your girls
everything.
So when a nigga come aroundthey don't want for nothing.
That's what I do.
I try to kill them with stuff.
And it seemed to be working.
No matter what those niggascome up with, they be like well,
my dad could give me that.
So I'm starting to see it.
Now, as they get older, I'mlike, oh, dad, he wanted to do X
(11:07):
and Y Z, but you gave me thatalready.
Like, so I want to give them somuch that they they were like,
okay, I don't really need it.
It's like you raising the barright, like you gotta like, come
like hard if you really reallyreally want them.
Like, cause I already couldgive them that, so they not
gonna be laying up in your bedsomething.
Yeah, and I I really believethat if you give them, you give
them shower them with so muchstuff that they they raise the
(11:29):
bar to all these other niggas Idon't.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
I don't think it has to do with stuff.
I think it's more than juststuff.
I think it's the it's, it's thelove and attention.
Well, that's what I mean when Isay what I?
Speaker 3 (11:44):
that's what I mean.
I don't mean like materialisticyeah, because materialistic
things is no I just I, just Ifeel like it, but it's the the
way that you know thepresentation I think raising the
bar was a good analogy.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Just raise the bar like in general, right, like you
care enough to provide thosethings for them, and then it's
not just gonna be.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
He didn't gonna be just coming with any old
bullshit and be like, okay, it'sgonna pass.
So I I really believe that's,you know, and I'm not sure that
I'm not.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
I'm not saying that a single mother can't do that,
but it hits a little differentum but it's also when you have a
situation like single parentsright, they have the stress of
being two people, right, um, andthat takes away from some of
the nurturing that they canprovide.
You know what I mean.
A lot of times, when you havesingle-parent homes and you have
(12:32):
the children, they'reself-sufficient, they're tough,
they're more resilient thanother people and that's due to
the fact that they were builtthat way.
So that becomes a toughexterior and it's harder for
people to break into that.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
I mean.
So what do y'all females thinkabout fathers being involved?
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Well, I definitely think that there is a benefit if
it's a healthy situation, right, if you have someone who's
present and they're providing,like you know, healthy things
like support and guidance, andyou know this is what you should
look for in a man.
You know healthy things likesupport and guidance and, um,
you know this is what you shouldlook for in a man.
You know advice, just to bethere, right, like that's the
(13:14):
first man that you love.
You know when and you'resetting the standard, you're
setting that bar so that whenthese scruffy niggas like what
it's a, it's a meme, right, andthey're like, I do all these
things for my daughter, daughter.
So when this dusty nigga comesalong and tries to take her to
miami, she's not impressed.
She's not impressed, right Imean that's viral so, but it
(13:36):
says a point, right, like you'retrying to put in place some of
these things with your daughtersso that they know their value,
they know their worth, right,they're not just willing to
accept olive garden let me askyou.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Let me ask you something.
When you say that, when you saythat, um, a woman is a woman,
her father is the first man thatshe falls in love with.
So what if her father is adusty nigga?
Speaker 5 (14:13):
A healthy one.
She did put in a disclaimer ofhealthy Because fathers can be
womanizers to their daughters.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
And then that's the other question Does a daughter?
Speaker 5 (14:25):
want to date a dusty womanized nigga.
So you mean a daughter want toupdate in a dusty womanized ass
nigga.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
So you mean a father that presents himself as a
womanized to his daughter?
So she's actually seeing herfather.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
No, I'm saying what I was saying.
The disclaimer I made was ifit's a healthy relationship with
the children.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
So, believe it or not , fathers have daughters and
they expect them to call themlike they.
Women would like a milliontimes to do things like that.
Are you going to show up to mygame and call them constantly
and text them?
That's like a cycle.
Right there You're teachingthem how to interact with other
men.
So she's calling you nonstop.
(15:04):
What is she going to do whenshe get into a relationship?
Speaker 5 (15:06):
She's going to call that man nonstop and he's not
going to respond and he's notgoing to show up and he's going
to be emotionally unavailablebecause that's what you're doing
but in a healthy relationshipwhere the father just shows up
because that's his obligation,right, the the daughter gets
used to that type of behaviorand she thinks that men should
just show up for her Right, andthat's setting the bar and
(15:30):
that's her knowing her worth andher value Right, and that's
where the worth and the valuecomes from.
If you don't have someone who'sthere to tell you certain things
about men and how they behaveand how you should react as a,
as a woman, towards them, that'swhere you get the promiscuity
from.
That's where you get a lot ofthese behaviors that people talk
about Like, okay, I must knowthat she doesn't have a father
(15:51):
Right Some of the stuff we seeon TV, things like that but yeah
, it's definitely beneficial, doyou think some?
Speaker 2 (16:00):
men are predatorial.
Knowing that she doesn't have afather.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
Yes, of course.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
To where we look for shit like that.
Yes, you know, I know, guys,that she doesn't have a father.
Yes, of course, to where likewe look for shit like that.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
Yes, you know, I know guys that do that it's, I think
, but you have to have a lowself-esteem to do that.
You have to be a beta male todo that.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Yeah, you gotta be like a bottom feeder, correct?
Speaker 5 (16:19):
like, if you know that you have to take advantage
of someone to be on top, thenyou have things that you have to
deal with yeah, it sounds likeyou got your own daddy issues
right or mommy issues.
Mommy issues, daddy issues.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
There's some issues somewhere along the line right,
I know there's definitely menthat do that anytime anyone is
navigating from a place oftrying to manipulate people.
There's some issues, even women, when women are looking for men
to make them feel like they'relike I think there was something
going on with, like somecelebrity women and they're
(16:54):
dating men that they feel likeyou know, they'll say like, well
, why was he cheating on her?
She's like the catch.
Like whenever women are datingmen and they kind of feel like
I'm the catch and you should notbe cheating on me, and things
like that.
Like there they're operatingfrom a place where they feel
they have to find someone wherethey they kind of are the the
(17:15):
top dog or, in their mind, thetop dog that they're not going
to cheat on, and they know thatthey should be dating someone
else or seeking someone else,but they're they're kind of
dealing with someone at a lowerlevel I hate to say it like that
, but someone a little lower forpurposes.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
They always say, like when you're dating someone that
you should date less than liketo to have an easier life but
because they would adore youmore than you adore them but
that that's functioning from avery low place, right, because
(17:55):
that person is, you're nevergoing to be equally yoke right,
you're manipulative too.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Yes, absolutely women are very manipulative when they
are dating with people and theysay well, why did you cheat on
me?
I'm the whole package, theyalways say.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
if you look at Beyonce or someone like her,
they said there's always onewoman.
You look at her and everybodyadores her.
There's one man on this earththat can't stand to see her
coming.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
I definitely agree with that.
I definitely agree with that.
Look at Holly Berry Right,berry right okay, you see the
track record oh yeah, well, well, you think about it because,
well, you, if you, you know howyou go out in the stores, you
see this like it'd be, like thiscrazy looking ugly guy, but you
have the beautiful woman that'sbecause nobody else want to
fuck with her exactly, exactly,or is she doing what you're
(18:43):
saying?
She's, um, she's a level, acouple of levels now.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Yeah, because if she's not willing to really date
.
I forgot who it was, but theywere saying sometimes women are
afraid to really date in the Iguess I don't want to say
bracket, but the people thatthey should be dating, because
then they actually have to dothings and they actually have to
(19:09):
have to perform.
Well, I don't think that that'sNot perform, but there's more
vulnerability there.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
Well, I think nowadays, looking at what's
actually happening with thedating pool, I think it's a
different situation.
I think that 90% of the womenare trying to get with that 1%
of man.
We have this whole thing of thesix feet six inches six figures
and I think that's fucking upthe whole dating game for people
, because if you have 90% of thewomen that are focused on these
(19:40):
few men, like there's so manymen out here and I think we
talked about it before that justaren't seeing women, they're
not seeing any type of dating,they're not seeing anything.
I think it was a statistic thatwe looked up, actually on one of
the podcasts oh yeah like Iwant to say, 83 percent of the
men that are currently dating orsingle haven't had sex in like
(20:02):
one or two years hold up who themen or the women yes the men
wow, oh, women could get sex,but women could get it, but
they're all fucking the same guyright.
And then they get upset whenit's like why aren't you?
Like, babe, you're a pick ofthe, you're monday, right?
You know what I'm saying?
Like if you're, if everyone'sgoing for the same guy, there's
got to be a rotation for himthat's not even any.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Even so, that's, that's one.
That's true that everybody'sgoing for the same guy and then,
um, statistically womenoutnumbered guys anyway I'll
take six inches or more.
I don't need six figures I'lltake nine, so you would get the
six inches, the six inch dick Isaid I'll take nine inches.
Thank you nine inches, but it'sokay, but you don't.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Kate're okay without the six-finger thing.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I make my own money.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
It makes sense.
I'll take nine inches and makea workout at McDonald's.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
Maybe as long as you've got goals.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
We can work it out With your aspirations.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
So you get the nine inches, though that leaves you
with what?
Speaker 5 (21:05):
That leaves me with nine inches.
What's the good?
Speaker 4 (21:08):
potential she got potential.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
She said he got goals that leaves him all up in my
guts.
And then what happens afterthat?
Speaker 4 (21:19):
he got goals.
We can work on that potential.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
I don't believe that y'all say that shit.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
I talk that shit because once the dick is going,
once you're done with the dick,you're like, okay, what now?
Because?
Speaker 2 (21:31):
good dick only lasts for so long.
Yeah, it does.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
It really does what I'm saying is right, but we're
talking about the six things,the six feet, the six.
You know, whatever that smallpercentage.
I'm joking.
You know things.
The six feet, six, you know.
Whatever that small percentage,like I'm joking you know for
like you're joking, but you'reserious, no but I I don't six
pack, whatever the fuck the sixthings are that they're arguing
(21:58):
about these days.
I mean, it's true, if you talkto most women, they're like I
need someone I can look up to,right.
If they're like I need someoneI can look up to, right, they're
six feet.
I need someone who's tall.
I need minimum six inches, whenyou know your cervix only holds
four or five.
But well you know that'sscientific.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Go ahead, I hear you.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
Wait what.
Go ahead, but you know to bearoused and to be able to do
something.
I feel you.
I'm just going like wait whator?
Speaker 3 (22:28):
six figures.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
You know what I'm saying, like you, that's not.
That's an anomaly.
Most men don't make six figures.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Most people don't make six figures, yeah so what
I've come to the conclusion withmyself and just like learning
myself um, I think I have.
It is more about the connection, because I feel like I don't
fit into society's standards fordating and stuff like that,
(22:57):
like I don't.
I don't really like to playgames, I'm very like upfront
about things and I'm not gonnaenjoy sex with you unless I have
some type of connection that'sbeyond sexual do you think that
scares men off at first?
I think I'm a lot, I think I'm alot to to take in definitely no
pun intended, so can yourespond.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Can you like go further?
Speaker 2 (23:28):
do you think that maybe possibly scares off a
potential life mate because youcould be a lot to deal with?
Like, are you?
Speaker 4 (23:37):
well, you're not my life if you're scared off, you
gotta take, you gotta be able toaccept all of me.
I'm an emotionally deep person.
I've accepted that.
I think that I've struggledwith making true connections and
being with people because theyhaven't had the emotional depth
that I've had and been able tohandle where I'm at.
(23:58):
Like I love hard, I feel likethere's no compromise.
You can't compromise what it is, what it is like.
You either can handle me or youcan't.
So.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I think.
I think that kind of scarespeople off, though, too.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
That's fine.
If you're scared off, you'renot.
For me, that's what it is, so.
So it has nothing to do withsix figures, six inches and
things like that.
It's just an emotionalconnection.
If you can't meet that, thenthat's really.
We're just not compatible.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
So you're saying that a guy has to be willing to deal
with you emotionally more sothan anything.
That's how you know that that'syour guy, like if he's willing
to put up with a lot.
No, it's not even put up with.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
don't say it like that I only said that because
she said I'm a lot.
So from a man's point of view,no, like a lot, saying like I
may not, I'm not gonna come offto everybody the same way, so I
may to you be seem like, oh you,you just a lot, but somebody
else me like, yeah, I could youknow this is nothing to me.
I could tame this rattlesnakeyeah like all right, it's
(25:15):
cakewalk, you know what I'msaying?
Um, it doesn't mean that I'mjust really a lie.
I'm not saying like I'm wildingout and I'm acting extra and
stuff like that.
It's just that I feel like I'man emotional person and in most
scenarios I am suppressing a lotof my emotions and kind of
(25:37):
navigating from a place that'snot authentic to me and it
doesn't work with other menbecause I'm not being my
authentic self.
So I never feel like I'm beingseen and able to be vulnerable.
But I feel like the personwho's for me.
I can be vulnerable and be seenand have these emotions and be
this person without them sayinglike yo, you're doing too much,
(25:58):
and not saying that I'm gonna beextra my emotions, but it's
just they're coming from adifferent place.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
Have you ever had a situation where you felt that,
like you had a connection withsomeone and you were able to be
your authentic self?
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Yes, and it's scary as fuck.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
So what?
So what happened?
Speaker 4 (26:16):
I ran away from him.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Wait what, what?
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Let me ask you this Hold on, we're going to come
back to that.
But let me ask you this hold on, we're gonna come back to that.
But let me ask you this what ifhe was your twin?
What if he was an emotionallyperson to where?
Speaker 4 (26:35):
he is I.
I could sense that, yes, butit's scary because to be seen
like people talk about beingvulnerable and being naked, like
when you meet somebody thatactually sees you, that shit is
scary because it's like whoa,wait a minute, what am I doing?
Speaker 5 (26:56):
But how do I and you act out?
Yes, but if you have thatperson that sees you and they're
still willing to accept allthis shit that you got going on,
is it?
And you know that you have thatperson.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
But is it a thing of them showing you a mirror to
yourself, and that's what scaresyou absolutely, but it's you
don't want to deal with a maleversion of you.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
No, I do, I'm, I'm for it so why run?
Because if you spent all thistime not seeing or feeling
accepted and stuff, if I met ame and a man, I'd be like bitch.
Yes, honey, well, I'm a littlestubborn.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
So it's almost like asking the question like would
you date yourself?
Speaker 4 (27:43):
and yes it is.
That is scary because I wasn'tthe and it's not.
It's like dating yourself, butit's also the worst, the worst
part of yourself, right?
So, like you, seeing yourselfis the good and the bad.
So now, yes, because I'm gonnato love myself, like I love this
(28:05):
person and honestly I can saylike when I see this person, I
accept this person, flaws andall, and that's scary to me,
because I accept youunconditionally, like all your
shit is like I'm okay with it.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
There was.
You guys ever watch ReasonableDoubt?
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Oh, I'm watching that now oh yeah'm watching that now
Okay, oh yeah, absolutely Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Now remember the part when she was talking with the
therapist and he asked her aboutthe question.
He said had you ever hadanybody to?
Speaker 4 (28:41):
he was talking about unconditional.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Yes, I didn't want to say it because she didn't but,
he asked her have you ever lovedanybody unconditional?
And then he broke down whatunconditional was to her.
And when he broke that down toher she was like damn, you know,
(29:03):
like I've never been loved likethat before, you know, and like
I think nowadays to findsomeone that's going to love you
unconditional, that's likefucking Bigfoot riding a unicorn
I was just about to say aunicorn.
You know what I'm saying?
It's in a rarity, you know whatI'm saying.
(29:25):
It's it's, it's in a rarity,you know.
It's not saying it doesn'thappen or whatever, but I think
nowadays everything hasconditions Absolutely but.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
I also think that sometimes you do find that and
you're backing away from it oryou don't know how to deal with
it.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I'm not saying you particular but in general, that
you may find that or you don'tknow how to deal with it.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
I'm not saying you particular, but in general, that
you may find that, but youdon't know how to deal with it,
or you don't know how to reactto it, so it you don't pursue it
right, like I'm sure that thereis someone that can love you
unconditionally, but you have tobe willing to accept it as well
so even going back toreasonable doubt, right, I don't
(30:07):
think that jacks reallyacknowledged that she was being
loved unconditionally by herhusband, because he definitely
loved her unconditionally, yes,but she didn't see that yes, she
didn't.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
It was pointed out to her by someone else yes,
exactly.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Yeah, it's scary because she was running from
that.
Yeah, definitely didn't reallylike accept it, but yeah it's.
It's a scary place to be in.
I would say.
I mean for me even to think ofloving someone unconditionally.
The only person that I couldthink of loving unconditionally
is my child, which I've, they'vecome from.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
We established yes, exactly so when you start to
think of other people.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
How did you get here, like, how did you get in the
same space as the person that Icarried for nine months?
Speaker 2 (30:57):
no, that's scary but don't you think you should hold
on to that?
Absolutely only because it tookyou so long to find.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Not so long.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
No, it took long enough.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Because, well, yeah, also because you was also
finding out who you are andyou're still finding out who you
are, absolutely.
I'm 54.
And this is shit that I did 10years ago I know I wouldn't do
now.
Shit that I did two years ago,I know I wouldn't do now.
So you're still always learningyourself and you know growth,
(31:38):
you're still evolving, but now Inotice, as I'm getting older,
it's just a lot of shit that Iwon't deal with, right?
Shit that I used to deal with.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
I used to tolerate yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Or like you said last week.
Speaker 5 (31:57):
Yeah, no for real and you just see, because it's
almost like sometimes you seeyour worth as you grow Right
Like that's not worth my time,that's not worth my energy.
It's almost like sometimes yousee your worth as you grow right
Like that's not worth my time,that's not worth my energy and
you've got to move on from that.
Perfect scenario you quiet,would you fall asleep?
Speaker 3 (32:21):
No, no, I mean, I'm just absorbing all.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Tell us why you wouldn't date yourself.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
I believe in yin and yang.
Me too.
In order for me to be able tofunction, it has to be somebody
completely opposite of me,because me and me it just don't
mix.
I'm a Libra, so I go.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
That means you lie a lot.
Why, libra, I'm not even goingto tell you.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Libras love to lie.
I'm not even going to tell you.
Libras love to lie.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
But I'm going by balance.
I'm going by the balance, abalance of days.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Hold on what are your signs.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
I'm an Aquarius, I'm a Capricorn oh shit, wow, I'm an
Earth sign.
I'm sign.
I'm a water, I'm a virgo, ohshit the virgin.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Yes, yep, that's right, that's right, but it's,
it's, yeah you said shit likethat.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
I mean, gosh, is that bad aquarius in the camp?
Speaker 5 (33:18):
uh, capricorn no, aquarius is good.
We chill until you fuck with us.
Then we act like you don'texist y'all wild cards.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
I love aquarius's.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
I got so many aquarius's in my life yeah, and
capricorns, like you said, lovehearts, so my wife is a
capricorn.
Yeah, when's your birthday?
January 13th how's this january4th?
What's this today?
Speaker 4 (33:43):
oh wow, you over here doing a podcast.
Happy birthday you.
This is, this is not good.
You over here doing a podcaston a birthday.
I already know that this is notgoing.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
This is not going to help him but no, she already
know that I'm doing a podcasthere, so she's at my place, so
yeah we're good, nice, nice yeah.
So yeah, we're good, Nice, nice, yeah yeah.
But like you were saying, likeyeah, I wouldn't, I definitely
like yin and yang, like you weresaying, I need, I have to.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I know me, and it's two me's dealing with each other
is not, it's just not.
I learned with myself that Ihave to.
I need something that's totallydifferent to me in order to
function.
Like it can't be me, like youcan't have the same.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
How is that working for you?
Is it the Libra about?
Speaker 3 (34:25):
balance right.
It's about balance, and that'swhat balance is when you did a
true balance.
It's yin and yang.
You have to have somethingthat's going to offset whatever
you.
So, whatever my faults are, Ineed somebody that's going to.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
But when you're a multifaceted person, right,
there's still balance in to me.
Um, when you're somebody that's, I guess, mirroring yourself,
because you're not, I'm not, I'mnot always showing up the same
way.
I'm gonna tell you right now,people could give people will
say their experience.
(34:58):
I got an ex that'll tell youI'm the little baby that don't
listen, like they're like that'sno limit, soldier over there,
like.
But then there's an ex that'llbe like she, sweet as pie, like
I love her.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
But you know what I think?
Everybody is different Toeverybody.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Exactly.
It depends on I'ma react how.
There you go.
I'ma respond, there you go.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
What I have learned about myself is that I get along
with any sign that is out there, Because I mean, if you look it
up, they say Libras adapt toany sign.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Do you believe in that?
Speaker 4 (35:32):
I mean some I don't trust.
Libras, I'm going to keep itreal with you, libras, don't do
that.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
I started getting information about Libras and I'm
like damn, them is some sneakysnaky.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
I don't think it's sneaky or sneaky.
I think Libras manipulate thescale to fit the-.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
You try, you try.
It don't always work, but youtry.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
To make the balance.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
Yeah, you try To make the balance.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
But if you look about every sign, pisces try to stay
in the water, they try to keepeverything natural.
It's about the sign.
So a Libra is always changingwhat you could call a lion,
manipulating whatever you wantto, adapting, adapting to.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
Oh please Adapting to .
No, it's true, I'm not eventrying to be funny.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
I'm not trying to be funny, but you're trying to keep
the balance and whatever, byany means necessary.
If you say it's lying ormanipulating, that's what it is,
but they're trying to keep thatbalance.
I'm just saying I'm going bythe signs.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
I'm not saying, that's what I do, even though
we're lying.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
We're just trying to balance the scales, no, but what
I'm saying, but you're tryingto balance the scales and for me
it doesn't work.
Me having another Libra doesnot work all the time.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
That's because Hold on.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Your mirror.
What sign is he?
Speaker 4 (36:53):
Scorpio.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
Oh, okay, they say Scorpios.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Yeah, that's like really.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
They like the devils.
Yes.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
But I love it.
All of my girlfriends in mycircle are Scorpios, except for
me.
I'm the only Aquarius.
Oh wow, I bring everybodytogether.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
But I don't.
It doesn't scare me LikeScorpios are.
They got their thing and it'slike they're all bitches I can
imagine Scorpios are.
They give you a run for yourmoney.
They give you a run for yourmoney.
They give you a run for yourmoney.
People tell me, like yo, youneed to walk away if you get
real hurt Because it's going tosting you.
(37:32):
But I'm stubborn, so you liketo get stung.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Yeah, I'm with the shits and choked out and all
that other shit.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
She's like.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
I like to be stung in more places than we're going
gonna talk about here, everyscorpion is mean, mean as hell
but see for me.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
That's why I said bitches, see, I like.
And I don't give a fuck see, I,I get that, but I also know,
like, also know the same thingwith the mirror.
They just want to be seen, theyjust want to be loved.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
At the end of the day , I want to say that Scorpios
love to be loved, but they don'tlike to get to that level to
love them.
They always want to be meanabout the love.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
That may be true.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
I always see that with the Scorpios.
I was dealing with the scorpio,she was a bitch boy.
I love her, but she was meanlike around, like if she was
like a true, like she was abitch to everybody, but in, in,
when you get intimate, she waslike totally opposite and that's
that's been like an ongoingthing.
With scorpios I met like theylike mean, but when you get them
(38:43):
alone and it's just one-on-one,they're like suckers.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
They like you know it's like attainment, like it's
soft, yeah, that's people havetheir outer like protective
factors and layers and stufflike that.
But at the end of the day, yousee the vulnerable part and
that's what attracts me is I seethe vulnerable.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
That's the mirror for me you can't be mean, you gotta
get some honey, like lure me insomehow can't be like bitch, oh
man.
I think that was it.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
I think that was it.
I think we have no more alright, I think that was it.
I think we have no more.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
All right, were you going to stop the recording.
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