July 3, 2024 • 44 mins
On today’s episode, we take a look at the latest polarizing independent release for early summer, In a Violent Nature (dir. Chris Nash). “POV”, “ASMR”, “sensory candy”, “slasher-genre-reengineered”? Let’s dive into it as we discuss our impressions and observations of this excitingly disputed IFC production. Does the slasher genre have more to offer than has already been hollowed out?
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What's your favorite scary movie? Well hello friends. Hey everybody. How you doing?
It's been a while since we since we last chat. Yeah, but today we're talking about
a new film. Dun dun dun. In a violent nature. In a violent nature.
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Sound of music. Sound of killing. Sound of walking. So in a violent nature is directed by Chris
Nash who's most notably known for Z for zygote in the anthology series ABCs of
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Death. He was also the creative or the set creative effects supervisor in
Psycho Gorman. Oh wow. Yeah so he's got his hands and some fun stuff. That is so
cool. I did hear that he was a special effects coordinator. Yeah. Or had to do
with special effects and we can definitely see his influence reflected.
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Absolutely. That's so cool. Love Psycho Gorman. So fun. So good. So in a violent
nature is when a group of teens takes a locket from a collapsed tower in the
woods. They unwittingly resurrect the rotting corpse of Johnny. A vengeful
spirit spurred by a horrific 60 year old crime. The undead killer soon
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embarks on a bloody rampage to retrieve the stolen locket while methodically
slaughtering anyone who gets in his way. Thank you Google. Yes. Johnny Moore. I mean
there's nothing more to that plot that's pretty much exactly what happens in this
film. Yes. Quite quite an interesting and different way that they chose to show it
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though. I think this is one of the most creative angles I've seen taken on a
horror movie in a very long time. It's something I feel like we have yet to
discover and it puts kind of a cool twist on something that we have seen
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before. So it definitely makes it interesting and I feel like it kind of
it felt like a perfect mesh of the burning Friday the 13th and the video
game had a baby. Nice. And that to me was in a violent nature in all the best ways
possible. Yes like play the Friday the 13th game as Jason. Definitely definitely
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evokes that feeling for sure. Absolutely and while I think Johnny and Jason do
share some parallels I think there are two very different ones in their own
right. Yeah. Yeah. So first thoughts did you like it? Did you hate it? Did you
wish it was? I know a big thing for people has been they felt it was slow
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right and they felt it was boring. So like initial kind of feelings thoughts
anything that super stood out to you? I did like it off the bat. I liked it a lot.
I guess and thinking about it more after part of me almost feels like I was
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disappointed that I didn't get like scared. Yeah. But I wouldn't say that that
meant it was a bad movie and I don't even know if I would use the word
disappointed anymore. Okay. I just it's an observation that I didn't exactly feel
like scared I didn't get the kind of usual scared feeling I expect to get
from a horror film or at that sometimes I hope for but like this was very
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different and it made me feel a lot of things and maybe not scared in the way
that I had anticipated but I still thought it was a great film and it's in
no way detracts from the experience I had watching it. It's just a different
completely different experience and we'll get into this more but I would say
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tension was yeah super high watching this film especially towards the end as
it started going on but yeah overall I did really like it and it was different
and I knew yeah I obviously knew watching it I was like people this is not
gonna hit some people yeah it's gonna lose it's gonna lose some people. I say I
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agree with pretty much most of what you're saying I I thought the movie was
really well done I definitely can see where people would decide that this
movie is not for them but I was not one of those people I thought I genuinely
don't think I had an expectation going into this movie. We'd heard things that
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it you know obviously it's a POV it's gonna be a lot of following the main
character around and I'm like okay I'm here for it like I can deal with slow
and then from that point on I was just kind of like okay like let's see what
this is all about like let's just be in for the ride. You know what I think that
expectation I had going in of like the kind of scared feeling just literally
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just comes from how preconditioned I am with slasher and the typical
jump scares and sound cues and kind of effects yeah you get watching a slasher
because I knew it was you know a slasher so I think that was just like passively
my mind that's kind of what I was expecting and I think you hold some
truth to that though because the way that this movie plays out is formulaic
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in that sense it is very much a trope of a traditional slasher film so I think
while we're sitting there and the plot is kind of unveiling itself to us we're
like okay when is that moment gonna happen like we're staring off into the
tree something's gonna pop out in the foreground and it doesn't happen and it
just kind of you like cling on to that like anxiety that's just sitting there
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and then it just cuts to a different shot and you're kind of left there and
you're like oh okay so yeah there was a lot of those moments but I don't think
it was necessarily a bad thing just again was it exactly what either of us
were expecting which is what made it so unique and I think so cool and just
talking about how it was formulaic with slashers that was one of the so it
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follows a lot of the tropes of slasher films but at the same time it like
averts them and kind of turns them upside down I would I'm trying to think
of like moments that kind of show that I know Adam and I were talking and the
idea of less is more in in horror and slasher films specifically like not
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revealing the killer and to like the right moment to get that scare but we're
with them the entire time yeah it's just what it what an interesting like
experience for a viewer to have I agree and I kind of like that it has so many
themes that kind of juxtapose each other in that sense because I know we say this
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often but I feel like some of these movies that have come out lately are
such a love letter to the genre because it does have those super predictable
moments but it almost feels like fanfare in a way where as horror fans we know to
expect it and then we can just sit there and have fun with it right like for
instance I know we were all talking about this after we saw it but like the
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dumb cop situation at the end you know like none of the cops are smart in horror
movies and like we know to expect the cop to either a say something stupid like
get everyone killed get himself killed and we're just kind of waiting and
anticipating for that moment and seeing how it's gonna play out and if we're
gonna get a laugh out of it or so moments like that I think made the movie
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more fun because we kind of had an expectation but we still were like where
are they specifically going to go with this right and oh yeah and it's almost
extra fun to kind of view it in the killer's eyes I'm like look at this
fucking show I'm just walking up to you and you're just dying right now what
have you been doing and I I think that that aspect of it where you're in his
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point of view is is just it's not only interesting but the way that they kind
of portrayed it I think sets it more in a video game kind of sense in my mind
mm-hmm where it feels like we're we're playing this like quest game we're like
what's gonna happen next we met these characters like it kept reminding me of
the quarry yeah and or as I was playing it as I was watching it and after
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thinking about it and looking back I think one of the reasons why I was so
easily like this is a video game is the way that the camera was sitting and the
way that it was poised so to have it sit behind the main character to the side
and you're following him around is as if you were sitting at your TV playing a
video game the characters always like right in front of you kind of leading
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the way and leading the path and matched with the sound design yeah is what I
really wanted to get into next well oh just first to go off on the video game
okay yeah pause pause just uh I mean just furthermore you know when he'd be
watching like two characters talking in the distance you see one of them go off
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then the other ones stay there like at the dock yeah so then he's kind of like
which path do you take which one do you want to kill yeah a B boom for that one
first yeah yeah no that's really I didn't see that
mention it I'm like that totally is and another cool thing about sound is I
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think having no score and only having very few moments of like diegetic music
playing because like yeah characters are listening to music yeah really played
off of that like video game kind of aspect and one of the moments where it
was so clear is just Johnny walking around and listening to his footsteps
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yeah each crunch his shoe left like over the dead leaves or the twigs or sounded
so different and so robust and so clear it literally felt like you were walking
through a video game right like it was so impressive yeah and I just want to
shout out the sound design people because I think they deserve a shout
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out so the Foley recordist and designer is Tim Atkins and the Foley artist and
designer is Michelle I do not want to butcher her last name it's HWU nice both
great fantastic yeah yeah the sound design yeah which is also like before
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we even watched this you had kind of heard that people were calling it ASMR
horror which is so fitting yeah and that immediately caught our attention yeah
like what is that I want to know what that is about like like is it gonna be
disgusting yeah it does definitely it does play in on that there's there's one
specific part in mind for me that they really just I mean it's pretty obvious
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but drive it in drill it into your brain and it like sticks with you but yeah
sound amazing impeccable very very effective I agree respect your sound
people guys it is so so important for a film it makes or breaks especially a
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horror film give them the credit they fucking deserve yeah Adam just another
kind of area that I feel like intensified this whole video game feel and
intensified the sound design was the aspect ratio in which it was filmed I
think the four three just kind of forces you to be up close and center with
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what's going on in the film and it doesn't distract by that wide shot and
stuff going in in the back stuff going on in the background you're just kind of
zoomed in on Johnny and like what he's gonna do next so I think that definitely
helped absolutely yeah so I just want to read this review on letterbox that I
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thought was pretty well said and I agree with so this one was written by cinema
Joe and so he says reinventing the slasher genre is a nearly impossible
task and while I don't declare or I won't declare in a violent nature does
this it gets pretty damn close a movie that reverse engineers the jump-scare
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and forces you to sit with the dread of the inevitable a conversation is heard
in the distance and we are forced to follow every step of Johnny's hunt and
it is endlessly harrowing its pacing will be why people look away and pull their
phone out but I beg that you don't it's as close it's as close as to watching a
wild animal hunt its prey as a film can get in like the bear that catches its
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prey the results are relentlessly gruesome I really like that review I
like what he said about reversing the jump-scare yes because that is exactly
what that does exactly yeah yeah cuz you know in a typical slasher film really
kind of relies on a lot of the jump scares and it builds up so much tension
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you don't know where it's coming from necessarily maybe I mean as time went on
we knew to expect it like we were saying before but you know this one we're with
him the whole time yet it there's still moments I would say particularly at the
end when it's like the two final yeah characters where he's still kind of like
surprises you yeah like you're within the whole time but he still has such
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veracity that like it's still kind of gets you excited and heightened oh you
know yeah so that was really well done that you can still get that effect with
completely stripping the movie down from the usual style or formulas yeah yeah
and structure very impressive I think to play off of that to the fact that
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there's no moment where we're poised on anticipation of the reveal of like who
the killer is like we're smacked out with him the whole damn time yes and so
that anticipation never quite happens when you're you're watching him
interact with the people his victims essentially it's just kind of like well
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what is he gonna do to them as opposed to who's gonna pop out right yeah right
and which is an interesting dynamic oh yeah and like he said a wild animal
hunting yeah it's like super accurate I know Adam and I were talking about this
did a great job of showing that unkillable killer or like almost entity
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that's you know obviously superhuman I know they make that kind of obvious in
this yeah just with this particular perspective and structure of the film
I think it did like even a better job than like some of the newer you know
like in the newer Halloween's how they're kind of trying to drive that
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point home of how like Michael Myers is this like you know something that's not
even human but like this one showed that in such a feral way yeah so like I'm
curious to know what was the point in the film where like you realize that okay
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there's something more to him like obviously this is like he's not he's got
some sort of supernatural element to him but I think the point in the film where
it was really driven home for me was when he was walking to get the girl on
the lake yeah you literally I remember talking to you guys about it afterwards
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and I was like did he just walk the bottom of the lake bed yeah because it
did not look like this man swam through the water and I was like okay here we go
like he's got more to him than just like your typical what you would think of
like and not to compare the two but like Ghostface or anything like that you know
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like he's maybe not the easiest to kill right right yes touching on the lake
scene in particular this is from another review on letterbox by Josh Lewis that I
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think he brings up an interesting point he says but even more impressive to me
were its moments that resisted typical genre film enjoyment and just became
kind of amusingly unpleasant and pathetic like a lake drowning sequence
that not only has no thrilling cutaways to the victims experience or or
dramatic score but doesn't even have a gore gag punctuation and is simply
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filmed in a long shot of Johnny slowly sinking beneath the surface and then a
body 50 feet away being pulled under or another where Johnny's overhearing the
climactic dialogue where the kids are figuring out their plan to kill to kill
him that obviously isn't going to work followed by the obligatory shock gore gag
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that bleeds into the realm of an uneasy rhythmic droning as it continues to go
on so first to like look at the lake scene that was one of the points where
it almost felt initially underwhelming because you're used to seeing like you
would expect to see the kill more intimately I guess more closely or
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fucked up but you know you don't see anything happening her body just kind of
floats up it's not like dramatic necessarily but I mean it's it's really
sticking true to just following him it's it's realistic and it still shows
that what the fuck he just walked yeah the lake bed over to this to this girl
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and yeah under I remember sitting there thinking wait that's it
yeah we just saw like a couple bubbles like surface and then it was just and I
think the way that the camera just clung to that as well like it lingered there
for so long we were like okay the camera's sitting here for a while like
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what's gonna happen right and then yes nothing did and it was kind of like oh
okay yeah like it's interesting that yeah they didn't show I think maybe it's
just because of this perspective they're taking on that the cameras like I don't
know not gonna go under the water yeah with him I don't know which would have
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been very weird yeah yeah yeah that would be weird so because it's interesting
it shows so much for certain kills but not so much for this one but maybe it's
just particularly what would make this perspective most effective yes and like
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stick true to it and I think it's a little bit of just build up of the film
in general right it's one of the first moments that we see Johnny in action and
so it's a little kind of leading your way into some of the bigger stuff true
yeah simple yes simple as that maybe but um but it's kind of fun to speculate
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yeah I don't want to I want to save this kill because he talks about the two
characters yeah it's kind of a comedic moment which I kind of like that they
kept some it almost campiness or corniness yeah from the slasher genre in
this but in such a different way I feel like without saying too much about it
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quite yet like I don't know how effective it would have been if it was
if it didn't lean into the B like the B rated feel and if it was just super
realistic like right I just I don't know I don't know I just don't think it would
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have been nearly as effective and in this sense it felt very again I keep
going back to this theme but it felt very video game like it felt very this
specific kill felt very Mortal Kombat like kind of situation yeah that is
interesting yeah it's kind of interesting to think about a lot of
stuff that and how they did it in this film from this perspective I'm saying
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that word a lot um would not be effective in a traditional format or
traditional style yeah of horror speaking on that just since we're
talking about kind of the kills and the special effects and the gore and we're
talking about the style of this film so I read an interesting article from the
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AV club calm and it was an interview with Stephen Kostanski who is the
special effects artist and in this interview Stephen said he referring to
Chris Nash told me once he re-edited I believe Friday the 13th part 5 and took
all the Jason stuff out or the fake Jason stuff so it's essentially just
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becoming a like a character study of all these weirdos he always comes up with
this stuff in like very unique ways which I think is very telling because
Stephen and Chris Nash have worked on multiple projects together and I think
right there is very telling of you know his unique style and how he wanted to
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interpret this movie and then how I would even say the kills and the gore
are very unique in their own way even though it is all blanketed under the
genre of horror yeah yeah no definitely I mean going off that did you have a
favorite kill I should get into yeah I think it might be I mean it's it's the
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yoga kill yeah sorry it's so batshit it was great yeah yeah it's it's crazy
there's so many slashers or just like kills and horror movies and could still
be surprised yeah I just I think while I was sitting there I was just like where
is this going and then every time I thought it was like done yeah it just
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kept going yeah and it was it was pure insanity do you want to do you want to
tell everyone what the scene is okay yes maybe is so should be detailed yeah do
it okay okay so Johnny boy is a so it's been a while since we've seen this
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movie we've only seen it once but from what like Krissa and I and Adam recall
yeah okay this is how this scene unfolds Johnny walks up to this girl doing yoga
on the cliffside overlooking the cliff and she sees him screams tries to run
away comes to the edge of the cliff can't go down there and then he walks
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right up behind her punches through her back through her stomach out the front
her organs and shit all spilling out blood coming out of her mouth he turns
her around takes his logging hook sticks it right in the top of her skull
and then he basically pulls the chain or whatever that's linked to the logging
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hook down and through the hole in her body and like basically keeps pulling it
until it like breaks her neck breaks her neck forward and pulls her whole head
through the gigantic gaping hole in her stomach and out the other side so she's
literally turned her into a pretzel yeah yeah like the most advanced yoga position
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I've ever seen I'm just kidding this is this is why I said it felt very mortal
combat yeah like it just felt like oh yeah like absolutely yeah that one was
was great I think everyone in the theater let out a little something like
oh shit we're oh shitting they were giggling yeah like people were just
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kind of like what is happening it's just one of probably the most memorable kill
yeah I've seen in a long time very long time um easily it's gonna be iconic for
a while yeah forever and then can we talk about again going back to sound how
there's no score right so you're sis and nobody's talking nobody's screaming
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mm-hmm so you're just sitting there listening to the sounds that Johnny is
inflicting on to poor yoga girl yeah and it yeah you're forced to sit there with
it so you really get the like strength and just furious yeah nearly like a wild
animal absolutely yeah absolutely but a creative wild animal just an artist again
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going back to this theme of the juxtaposition so we go from the lake
scene where we saw nothing this is right after to the yoga scene where we see
everything and more yeah he also kicks her body her fucked up body down the
cliffside and you just see this super like far shot of it just rolling down
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it's like an insult to injury yeah it's one of those kills that harm horror
movie lovers just like get so excited over because it's it makes you laugh but
in a way it is just like wow this is just crazy and incredible I think I
audibly went oh like throughout the entire scene yeah it was my my jaw
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dropped yeah the whole time I was just like stunned yeah it's like witnessing
a train wreck in the most morbid way like you want to turn your face but you can't
yeah yeah it was pretty impressive you know and man that FX makeup yeah yeah
just chef's kiss yeah I mean when the the body like that one guy the kind of
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funny guy with the headphones at the beginning I think it's the first victim
second oh yeah that one fucking dude okay yeah second victim sorry but you
know and yeah and he's carrying around his like body and stuff but just like
the expression on my face and everything and the way that he just fucking throws it around
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yeah anyway go watch it yes definitely I mean my second favorite kill is the
last one was it the woodchipper not the woodchipper the log splitter no it's
where's the two final the two final oh yeah I just I want to go over this one
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because I did love that moment this moment made me very happy because it's
just the play on the tropes again and like so we're down to our last two teens
our last two survivors and it's a guy and a girl that are kind of like having
a little affair so Johnny's following them it's dark in the woods and you hear
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them so they go to hide you hear them whispering and loud-ass fucking
whispering because it's always funny when you think of a typical slasher when
they start whispering in the quiet woods yeah you shouldn't fucking do that you
know he's gonna pop up right behind you or whatever
whispering is loud in a fucking quiet place where no one else is talking you
gotta hear it and so the cameras just on Johnny yeah you don't see them because
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they're hiding but you hear them and it's loud they like purposefully make
their whispers super loud and so they basically lay out what they're gonna do
like I'm gonna distract him you go you know this way blah blah blah and so and
so the male the male serp team jumps out behind Johnny to distract him he's like
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hey blah blah blah and like before he could even finish his sentence Johnny
just whips around axe yeah big-ass axe right into his face just like gashed
basically splits his head open and against the tree or I don't know I think
it was against the tree but it like it was so fast and you know when we're used
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to following him and his slow trod that I think these moments really like
surprise you but specifically this one the moment was so perfect because it's
just like it sounded all momentous like we're gonna this is how we're gonna get
out these are the last two and he's just like nope and it made me laugh like I
audibly was just like but then he just goes ham on this guy like it was just
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this point where they really show him as like this feral yeah fucking and then
the final girl which yeah again another trope that they have she's just watching
this go down because she's supposed to be like having her chance to escape
right now but she's so stunned at how fast it just did not go their way or you
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know and he's just whacking away hacking away till this dude is just nothing but
a bloody pulp on the ground and you can't even really see his body at that
point but all you need to see is like yeah Johnny's emotion of he's just like
over and over in the sound so good here specifically yeah because it just really
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drives it into your brain hammers it hacks it into your brain literally um
but what I like about that part too is that it's interesting they switch
perspectives at that point they switch it over to the final girls and we're
following her for like a good amount of the rest of the film yeah I think it
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carries on over to the very last second and that's where we have moments where I
feel the most like tense yeah like the suspense has built up so far because
we're so used to seeing where Johnny is and like following him and now we don't
know where he is and we're just following the final girls but I think
that was done purposefully yeah I know a lot of people have said that they did
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not like the ending and that the ending was pointless and it was boring and they
wanted something happened and nothing happened but I think that switch in
perspectives was done so purposefully because now we're not in Johnny's point
of view anymore so we're not just like kind of following along with him in his
journey like kind of knowing what to expect what's gonna happen we're now in
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the final girls where she doesn't know what's gonna happen and she's kind of
tense and we're kind of tense because we're anticipating it the way she's
supposed to be anticipating it so now we're truly in her shoes in her point of
view yeah I'm like why not you know like why does a movie have to be one thing
why can't it change absolutely you know I think it definitely made me super
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anxious yeah like made the stakes feel higher oh absolutely you know because and
we were like getting frustrated at the woman in the car we're like what are you
doing like stop it and it just totally puts you like it switched gears so
suddenly he didn't like I didn't even realize how much I was like first I was
rooting for Johnny to fuck up all these scenes and now I'm hoping for this girl
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like come on yeah yeah so it's it's kind of interesting how there's that like
that duality there yeah like within one film right and I think it reminds you of
like how nothing is safe yeah in these movies you know absolutely because
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there are moments where that that lady was helping her is like oh she like
roll you to do in in on it somehow or what's gonna happen but like the sound
as she's she's running stumbling through the woods too they take the hacking the
repetitive hacking yeah and they like incorporate it into the sound design
where it's just this droning hum that she's like hearing so it's it's also
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still her perspective yeah she's so traumatized just having witnessed that
yeah that it's just playing over and over in her head and also Adam made a
good note of like it kind of sounds like his footsteps to following her it's a
little bit like you're being thrown into the mind of somebody who's still in
shock but also simultaneously dealing with like PTSD of the situation so she's
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like you're you're just smack dab in the middle of that fear yeah yeah I thought
it was super effective I liked it I honestly don't have any excuse me I
don't have any complaints yeah I do want to ask do you have a favorite scene in
the movie whether it's a kill whether it's a moment whether it's a shot
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whether it's an edit just like a favorite point I wanna watch it yeah
please my favorite point in this movie where I think it just kind of set the
tone for me is when the teens are sitting around the campfire and the
camera is just circling them yes I get like with what you said about Johnny
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being this like hunter going after his prey very animalistic that's what it
felt like it felt like wolves like circling a group of people it felt like
we weren't supposed to specifically focus on the people in the frame but
listen to what they were saying and I kept looking out into the distance
being like is he gonna pop out like where is he coming from and the more
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that the camera just spun around them the more that anticipation and anxiety
just built and built and built and I just thought that was so brilliantly
brilliantly executed like it was I master class I just it was great I think
hearing your thoughts on that and me remembering it now yes I will have to
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agree with you I think that is yeah definitely the point where it did set
the tone yeah I did like how they would show him barely because it's super dim
lighting you would see him very like faintly in the back just watching
yeah like who's gonna fuck up and you know when they take the picture the like
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the picture of the group all together you know he's gonna be in it yeah but in
you know in a typical movie they would they would probably show them looking
through the picture and being like what's yeah you know but they you don't
you don't have that moment which I think is like it's different and I feel like it
feels more it's just not it doesn't yeah not typical and cheesy but they do
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mention that like who's that guy in the picture so it's like it gives you enough
to get yes you know the idea or whatever I also love the dialogue okay between the
teens because I feel like they they keep the corniness like it's cheesy dialogue
and part of you is like who talks like that but also it's kind of funny and
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entertaining I think and they keep it modern too yeah yeah absolutely I think
that was another point that I was reading in reviews that people disliked
was that they thought that the dialogue was just stupid I guess slash which have
stupid dialogue yeah they have ridiculous dialogue because you're not
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supposed to care about the characters like at least in movies at like when
slasher movies were super super popularized like you're not going to the
movie to see these characters like yeah it was a plus when you had a final girl
but you were going to see like the Jasons or the Michaels just slaughter
everyone in the movie and I think people look back at those the older slashers
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and find the dialogue kitschy yeah you know where they think it's cool but like
if you really listen it's fucking like it's I feel like it's the same effect
but honestly if you think about it like as teenagers we were dumb we were
talking about dumb yeah like yeah and have dialogue of substance yeah yeah
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very interesting I'd like to turn it to Adam hello your thoughts or like
favorite scenes yeah lasting impressions no I liked it a lot I think that it's
interesting because I feel like one scene I really liked is like when they
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show Johnny's face you know he like takes off the mask and he's like looking at
the firetruck and stuff it's interesting because like I really didn't expect that
at all it like most of the movie is like it's very indifferent like I feel like
that's like really the tone of the film is indifferent like most scary movies
most horror films are like they tell you how to feel it's like this is bad this is
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scary they're in danger and then you see like the jump scares and you can like
get a sense of it but this one it's like it's he's killing but it's it is like
watching like yeah from a trail camera or something where it doesn't feel a
particular way about it it just shows you exactly what's happening and I think
that was like the one moment in the film where it's like you get a sense that
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there's like some sort of life in him and then it just jumps back into like
he's this force of nature and yeah I like that a lot but I like that it's I
feel like it's interesting because like Christine you said that people said like
the dialogue was kind of corny and stuff and I had seen another review like that
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where they said it was most of the film takes itself too seriously and then
there's corny dialogue which plays against it but I fully disagree with that
like I feel like the film knows what it is like the yoga like I feel like at
most slashers they'll have like a sense of it's like a sense of humor where some
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of the joke or some of the kills are punchlines to what a character is and
you see that very clearly with like the yoga thing it's like she's contorting so
much like because she's a yoga character and like yeah with the last kill with
the boyfriend it's like so anticlimactic like you could basically even say like
the punchline is he's like killed he's like it's splitting down his head
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basically where it's like he's in over his head in a plan that doesn't work you
know but like yeah I think it fits so perfectly because like it takes those
tropes and it just makes it it's like you're indifferent about it but I think
some people might have needed like the score to like lead them along to make
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them feel like comfortable with what was happening yeah but I like that it doesn't
very well said yes no I feel like that's very true that I think people are just
very used and conditioned to like yeah movies telling them how to feel you know
yeah so when they see something that definitely diverts from that you don't
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get that they don't know how to feel and so they feel like maybe some people
just get the sense that like oh they didn't do anything with it they didn't
follow through with something and I just didn't take it that way I think it was
still effective and you know it's okay
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it's still super entertaining and cool perspective yeah I'd like to see how else
we can play with this form I'm really curious if this is going to kind of
kickstart the slasher genre in any direction not necessarily to have like a
whole bunch of different movies be in my POV but just like yeah the creativeness
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of kind of doing something different with our slasher you can do something
just out of the box and like not follow the same stuff or at least just play
with it yeah yeah overall I really enjoyed this movie I like it
yeah yeah I did like it I gotta do a second watch soon did you watch it a
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second time I haven't not yet but I definitely want to nice yeah yeah guys
it should be streaming on shutter I believe yes soon already believe this
episode will be released July the first Wednesday of July so it's probably gonna
be out remember guys catch us the first Wednesday of every month yeah
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so hey I noticed this box of bear traps is it's empty yeah am I good to take
take a piss in the woods right now or yeah man go for it I mean you got you
gotta go when you gotta go all right I guess I'm gonna go but yeah I'll be
right back well he's done for sayonara
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What's your favorite scary movie? Well hello friends. Hey everybody. How you doing?
It's been a while since we since we last chat. Yeah, but today we're talking about
a new film. Dun dun dun. In a violent nature. In a violent nature.
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Sound of music. Sound of killing. Sound of walking. So in a violent nature is directed by Chris
Nash who's most notably known for Z for zygote in the anthology series ABCs of
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Death. He was also the creative or the set creative effects supervisor in
Psycho Gorman. Oh wow. Yeah so he's got his hands and some fun stuff. That is so
cool. I did hear that he was a special effects coordinator. Yeah. Or had to do
with special effects and we can definitely see his influence reflected.
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Absolutely. That's so cool. Love Psycho Gorman. So fun. So good. So in a violent
nature is when a group of teens takes a locket from a collapsed tower in the
woods. They unwittingly resurrect the rotting corpse of Johnny. A vengeful
spirit spurred by a horrific 60 year old crime. The undead killer soon
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embarks on a bloody rampage to retrieve the stolen locket while methodically
slaughtering anyone who gets in his way. Thank you Google. Yes. Johnny Moore. I mean
there's nothing more to that plot that's pretty much exactly what happens in this
film. Yes. Quite quite an interesting and different way that they chose to show it
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though. I think this is one of the most creative angles I've seen taken on a
horror movie in a very long time. It's something I feel like we have yet to
discover and it puts kind of a cool twist on something that we have seen
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before. So it definitely makes it interesting and I feel like it kind of
it felt like a perfect mesh of the burning Friday the 13th and the video
game had a baby. Nice. And that to me was in a violent nature in all the best ways
possible. Yes like play the Friday the 13th game as Jason. Definitely definitely
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evokes that feeling for sure. Absolutely and while I think Johnny and Jason do
share some parallels I think there are two very different ones in their own
right. Yeah. Yeah. So first thoughts did you like it? Did you hate it? Did you
wish it was? I know a big thing for people has been they felt it was slow
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right and they felt it was boring. So like initial kind of feelings thoughts
anything that super stood out to you? I did like it off the bat. I liked it a lot.
I guess and thinking about it more after part of me almost feels like I was
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disappointed that I didn't get like scared. Yeah. But I wouldn't say that that
meant it was a bad movie and I don't even know if I would use the word
disappointed anymore. Okay. I just it's an observation that I didn't exactly feel
like scared I didn't get the kind of usual scared feeling I expect to get
from a horror film or at that sometimes I hope for but like this was very
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different and it made me feel a lot of things and maybe not scared in the way
that I had anticipated but I still thought it was a great film and it's in
no way detracts from the experience I had watching it. It's just a different
completely different experience and we'll get into this more but I would say
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tension was yeah super high watching this film especially towards the end as
it started going on but yeah overall I did really like it and it was different
and I knew yeah I obviously knew watching it I was like people this is not
gonna hit some people yeah it's gonna lose it's gonna lose some people. I say I
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agree with pretty much most of what you're saying I I thought the movie was
really well done I definitely can see where people would decide that this
movie is not for them but I was not one of those people I thought I genuinely
don't think I had an expectation going into this movie. We'd heard things that
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it you know obviously it's a POV it's gonna be a lot of following the main
character around and I'm like okay I'm here for it like I can deal with slow
and then from that point on I was just kind of like okay like let's see what
this is all about like let's just be in for the ride. You know what I think that
expectation I had going in of like the kind of scared feeling just literally
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just comes from how preconditioned I am with slasher and the typical
jump scares and sound cues and kind of effects yeah you get watching a slasher
because I knew it was you know a slasher so I think that was just like passively
my mind that's kind of what I was expecting and I think you hold some
truth to that though because the way that this movie plays out is formulaic
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in that sense it is very much a trope of a traditional slasher film so I think
while we're sitting there and the plot is kind of unveiling itself to us we're
like okay when is that moment gonna happen like we're staring off into the
tree something's gonna pop out in the foreground and it doesn't happen and it
just kind of you like cling on to that like anxiety that's just sitting there
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and then it just cuts to a different shot and you're kind of left there and
you're like oh okay so yeah there was a lot of those moments but I don't think
it was necessarily a bad thing just again was it exactly what either of us
were expecting which is what made it so unique and I think so cool and just
talking about how it was formulaic with slashers that was one of the so it
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follows a lot of the tropes of slasher films but at the same time it like
averts them and kind of turns them upside down I would I'm trying to think
of like moments that kind of show that I know Adam and I were talking and the
idea of less is more in in horror and slasher films specifically like not
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revealing the killer and to like the right moment to get that scare but we're
with them the entire time yeah it's just what it what an interesting like
experience for a viewer to have I agree and I kind of like that it has so many
themes that kind of juxtapose each other in that sense because I know we say this
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often but I feel like some of these movies that have come out lately are
such a love letter to the genre because it does have those super predictable
moments but it almost feels like fanfare in a way where as horror fans we know to
expect it and then we can just sit there and have fun with it right like for
instance I know we were all talking about this after we saw it but like the
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dumb cop situation at the end you know like none of the cops are smart in horror
movies and like we know to expect the cop to either a say something stupid like
get everyone killed get himself killed and we're just kind of waiting and
anticipating for that moment and seeing how it's gonna play out and if we're
gonna get a laugh out of it or so moments like that I think made the movie
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more fun because we kind of had an expectation but we still were like where
are they specifically going to go with this right and oh yeah and it's almost
extra fun to kind of view it in the killer's eyes I'm like look at this
fucking show I'm just walking up to you and you're just dying right now what
have you been doing and I I think that that aspect of it where you're in his
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point of view is is just it's not only interesting but the way that they kind
of portrayed it I think sets it more in a video game kind of sense in my mind
mm-hmm where it feels like we're we're playing this like quest game we're like
what's gonna happen next we met these characters like it kept reminding me of
the quarry yeah and or as I was playing it as I was watching it and after
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thinking about it and looking back I think one of the reasons why I was so
easily like this is a video game is the way that the camera was sitting and the
way that it was poised so to have it sit behind the main character to the side
and you're following him around is as if you were sitting at your TV playing a
video game the characters always like right in front of you kind of leading
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the way and leading the path and matched with the sound design yeah is what I
really wanted to get into next well oh just first to go off on the video game
okay yeah pause pause just uh I mean just furthermore you know when he'd be
watching like two characters talking in the distance you see one of them go off
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then the other ones stay there like at the dock yeah so then he's kind of like
which path do you take which one do you want to kill yeah a B boom for that one
first yeah yeah no that's really I didn't see that
mention it I'm like that totally is and another cool thing about sound is I
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think having no score and only having very few moments of like diegetic music
playing because like yeah characters are listening to music yeah really played
off of that like video game kind of aspect and one of the moments where it
was so clear is just Johnny walking around and listening to his footsteps
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yeah each crunch his shoe left like over the dead leaves or the twigs or sounded
so different and so robust and so clear it literally felt like you were walking
through a video game right like it was so impressive yeah and I just want to
shout out the sound design people because I think they deserve a shout
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out so the Foley recordist and designer is Tim Atkins and the Foley artist and
designer is Michelle I do not want to butcher her last name it's HWU nice both
great fantastic yeah yeah the sound design yeah which is also like before
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we even watched this you had kind of heard that people were calling it ASMR
horror which is so fitting yeah and that immediately caught our attention yeah
like what is that I want to know what that is about like like is it gonna be
disgusting yeah it does definitely it does play in on that there's there's one
specific part in mind for me that they really just I mean it's pretty obvious
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but drive it in drill it into your brain and it like sticks with you but yeah
sound amazing impeccable very very effective I agree respect your sound
people guys it is so so important for a film it makes or breaks especially a
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horror film give them the credit they fucking deserve yeah Adam just another
kind of area that I feel like intensified this whole video game feel and
intensified the sound design was the aspect ratio in which it was filmed I
think the four three just kind of forces you to be up close and center with
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what's going on in the film and it doesn't distract by that wide shot and
stuff going in in the back stuff going on in the background you're just kind of
zoomed in on Johnny and like what he's gonna do next so I think that definitely
helped absolutely yeah so I just want to read this review on letterbox that I
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thought was pretty well said and I agree with so this one was written by cinema
Joe and so he says reinventing the slasher genre is a nearly impossible
task and while I don't declare or I won't declare in a violent nature does
this it gets pretty damn close a movie that reverse engineers the jump-scare
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and forces you to sit with the dread of the inevitable a conversation is heard
in the distance and we are forced to follow every step of Johnny's hunt and
it is endlessly harrowing its pacing will be why people look away and pull their
phone out but I beg that you don't it's as close it's as close as to watching a
wild animal hunt its prey as a film can get in like the bear that catches its
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prey the results are relentlessly gruesome I really like that review I
like what he said about reversing the jump-scare yes because that is exactly
what that does exactly yeah yeah cuz you know in a typical slasher film really
kind of relies on a lot of the jump scares and it builds up so much tension
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you don't know where it's coming from necessarily maybe I mean as time went on
we knew to expect it like we were saying before but you know this one we're with
him the whole time yet it there's still moments I would say particularly at the
end when it's like the two final yeah characters where he's still kind of like
surprises you yeah like you're within the whole time but he still has such
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veracity that like it's still kind of gets you excited and heightened oh you
know yeah so that was really well done that you can still get that effect with
completely stripping the movie down from the usual style or formulas yeah yeah
and structure very impressive I think to play off of that to the fact that
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there's no moment where we're poised on anticipation of the reveal of like who
the killer is like we're smacked out with him the whole damn time yes and so
that anticipation never quite happens when you're you're watching him
interact with the people his victims essentially it's just kind of like well
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what is he gonna do to them as opposed to who's gonna pop out right yeah right
and which is an interesting dynamic oh yeah and like he said a wild animal
hunting yeah it's like super accurate I know Adam and I were talking about this
did a great job of showing that unkillable killer or like almost entity
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that's you know obviously superhuman I know they make that kind of obvious in
this yeah just with this particular perspective and structure of the film
I think it did like even a better job than like some of the newer you know
like in the newer Halloween's how they're kind of trying to drive that
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point home of how like Michael Myers is this like you know something that's not
even human but like this one showed that in such a feral way yeah so like I'm
curious to know what was the point in the film where like you realize that okay
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there's something more to him like obviously this is like he's not he's got
some sort of supernatural element to him but I think the point in the film where
it was really driven home for me was when he was walking to get the girl on
the lake yeah you literally I remember talking to you guys about it afterwards
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and I was like did he just walk the bottom of the lake bed yeah because it
did not look like this man swam through the water and I was like okay here we go
like he's got more to him than just like your typical what you would think of
like and not to compare the two but like Ghostface or anything like that you know
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like he's maybe not the easiest to kill right right yes touching on the lake
scene in particular this is from another review on letterbox by Josh Lewis that I
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think he brings up an interesting point he says but even more impressive to me
were its moments that resisted typical genre film enjoyment and just became
kind of amusingly unpleasant and pathetic like a lake drowning sequence
that not only has no thrilling cutaways to the victims experience or or
dramatic score but doesn't even have a gore gag punctuation and is simply
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filmed in a long shot of Johnny slowly sinking beneath the surface and then a
body 50 feet away being pulled under or another where Johnny's overhearing the
climactic dialogue where the kids are figuring out their plan to kill to kill
him that obviously isn't going to work followed by the obligatory shock gore gag
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that bleeds into the realm of an uneasy rhythmic droning as it continues to go
on so first to like look at the lake scene that was one of the points where
it almost felt initially underwhelming because you're used to seeing like you
would expect to see the kill more intimately I guess more closely or
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fucked up but you know you don't see anything happening her body just kind of
floats up it's not like dramatic necessarily but I mean it's it's really
sticking true to just following him it's it's realistic and it still shows
that what the fuck he just walked yeah the lake bed over to this to this girl
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and yeah under I remember sitting there thinking wait that's it
yeah we just saw like a couple bubbles like surface and then it was just and I
think the way that the camera just clung to that as well like it lingered there
for so long we were like okay the camera's sitting here for a while like
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what's gonna happen right and then yes nothing did and it was kind of like oh
okay yeah like it's interesting that yeah they didn't show I think maybe it's
just because of this perspective they're taking on that the cameras like I don't
know not gonna go under the water yeah with him I don't know which would have
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been very weird yeah yeah yeah that would be weird so because it's interesting
it shows so much for certain kills but not so much for this one but maybe it's
just particularly what would make this perspective most effective yes and like
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stick true to it and I think it's a little bit of just build up of the film
in general right it's one of the first moments that we see Johnny in action and
so it's a little kind of leading your way into some of the bigger stuff true
yeah simple yes simple as that maybe but um but it's kind of fun to speculate
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yeah I don't want to I want to save this kill because he talks about the two
characters yeah it's kind of a comedic moment which I kind of like that they
kept some it almost campiness or corniness yeah from the slasher genre in
this but in such a different way I feel like without saying too much about it
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quite yet like I don't know how effective it would have been if it was
if it didn't lean into the B like the B rated feel and if it was just super
realistic like right I just I don't know I don't know I just don't think it would
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have been nearly as effective and in this sense it felt very again I keep
going back to this theme but it felt very video game like it felt very this
specific kill felt very Mortal Kombat like kind of situation yeah that is
interesting yeah it's kind of interesting to think about a lot of
stuff that and how they did it in this film from this perspective I'm saying
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that word a lot um would not be effective in a traditional format or
traditional style yeah of horror speaking on that just since we're
talking about kind of the kills and the special effects and the gore and we're
talking about the style of this film so I read an interesting article from the
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AV club calm and it was an interview with Stephen Kostanski who is the
special effects artist and in this interview Stephen said he referring to
Chris Nash told me once he re-edited I believe Friday the 13th part 5 and took
all the Jason stuff out or the fake Jason stuff so it's essentially just
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becoming a like a character study of all these weirdos he always comes up with
this stuff in like very unique ways which I think is very telling because
Stephen and Chris Nash have worked on multiple projects together and I think
right there is very telling of you know his unique style and how he wanted to
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interpret this movie and then how I would even say the kills and the gore
are very unique in their own way even though it is all blanketed under the
genre of horror yeah yeah no definitely I mean going off that did you have a
favorite kill I should get into yeah I think it might be I mean it's it's the
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yoga kill yeah sorry it's so batshit it was great yeah yeah it's it's crazy
there's so many slashers or just like kills and horror movies and could still
be surprised yeah I just I think while I was sitting there I was just like where
is this going and then every time I thought it was like done yeah it just
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kept going yeah and it was it was pure insanity do you want to do you want to
tell everyone what the scene is okay yes maybe is so should be detailed yeah do
it okay okay so Johnny boy is a so it's been a while since we've seen this
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movie we've only seen it once but from what like Krissa and I and Adam recall
yeah okay this is how this scene unfolds Johnny walks up to this girl doing yoga
on the cliffside overlooking the cliff and she sees him screams tries to run
away comes to the edge of the cliff can't go down there and then he walks
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right up behind her punches through her back through her stomach out the front
her organs and shit all spilling out blood coming out of her mouth he turns
her around takes his logging hook sticks it right in the top of her skull
and then he basically pulls the chain or whatever that's linked to the logging
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hook down and through the hole in her body and like basically keeps pulling it
until it like breaks her neck breaks her neck forward and pulls her whole head
through the gigantic gaping hole in her stomach and out the other side so she's
literally turned her into a pretzel yeah yeah like the most advanced yoga position
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I've ever seen I'm just kidding this is this is why I said it felt very mortal
combat yeah like it just felt like oh yeah like absolutely yeah that one was
was great I think everyone in the theater let out a little something like
oh shit we're oh shitting they were giggling yeah like people were just
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kind of like what is happening it's just one of probably the most memorable kill
yeah I've seen in a long time very long time um easily it's gonna be iconic for
a while yeah forever and then can we talk about again going back to sound how
there's no score right so you're sis and nobody's talking nobody's screaming
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mm-hmm so you're just sitting there listening to the sounds that Johnny is
inflicting on to poor yoga girl yeah and it yeah you're forced to sit there with
it so you really get the like strength and just furious yeah nearly like a wild
animal absolutely yeah absolutely but a creative wild animal just an artist again
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going back to this theme of the juxtaposition so we go from the lake
scene where we saw nothing this is right after to the yoga scene where we see
everything and more yeah he also kicks her body her fucked up body down the
cliffside and you just see this super like far shot of it just rolling down
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it's like an insult to injury yeah it's one of those kills that harm horror
movie lovers just like get so excited over because it's it makes you laugh but
in a way it is just like wow this is just crazy and incredible I think I
audibly went oh like throughout the entire scene yeah it was my my jaw
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dropped yeah the whole time I was just like stunned yeah it's like witnessing
a train wreck in the most morbid way like you want to turn your face but you can't
yeah yeah it was pretty impressive you know and man that FX makeup yeah yeah
just chef's kiss yeah I mean when the the body like that one guy the kind of
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funny guy with the headphones at the beginning I think it's the first victim
second oh yeah that one fucking dude okay yeah second victim sorry but you
know and yeah and he's carrying around his like body and stuff but just like
the expression on my face and everything and the way that he just fucking throws it around
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yeah anyway go watch it yes definitely I mean my second favorite kill is the
last one was it the woodchipper not the woodchipper the log splitter no it's
where's the two final the two final oh yeah I just I want to go over this one
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because I did love that moment this moment made me very happy because it's
just the play on the tropes again and like so we're down to our last two teens
our last two survivors and it's a guy and a girl that are kind of like having
a little affair so Johnny's following them it's dark in the woods and you hear
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them so they go to hide you hear them whispering and loud-ass fucking
whispering because it's always funny when you think of a typical slasher when
they start whispering in the quiet woods yeah you shouldn't fucking do that you
know he's gonna pop up right behind you or whatever
whispering is loud in a fucking quiet place where no one else is talking you
gotta hear it and so the cameras just on Johnny yeah you don't see them because
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they're hiding but you hear them and it's loud they like purposefully make
their whispers super loud and so they basically lay out what they're gonna do
like I'm gonna distract him you go you know this way blah blah blah and so and
so the male the male serp team jumps out behind Johnny to distract him he's like
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hey blah blah blah and like before he could even finish his sentence Johnny
just whips around axe yeah big-ass axe right into his face just like gashed
basically splits his head open and against the tree or I don't know I think
it was against the tree but it like it was so fast and you know when we're used
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to following him and his slow trod that I think these moments really like
surprise you but specifically this one the moment was so perfect because it's
just like it sounded all momentous like we're gonna this is how we're gonna get
out these are the last two and he's just like nope and it made me laugh like I
audibly was just like but then he just goes ham on this guy like it was just
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this point where they really show him as like this feral yeah fucking and then
the final girl which yeah again another trope that they have she's just watching
this go down because she's supposed to be like having her chance to escape
right now but she's so stunned at how fast it just did not go their way or you
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know and he's just whacking away hacking away till this dude is just nothing but
a bloody pulp on the ground and you can't even really see his body at that
point but all you need to see is like yeah Johnny's emotion of he's just like
over and over in the sound so good here specifically yeah because it just really
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drives it into your brain hammers it hacks it into your brain literally um
but what I like about that part too is that it's interesting they switch
perspectives at that point they switch it over to the final girls and we're
following her for like a good amount of the rest of the film yeah I think it
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carries on over to the very last second and that's where we have moments where I
feel the most like tense yeah like the suspense has built up so far because
we're so used to seeing where Johnny is and like following him and now we don't
know where he is and we're just following the final girls but I think
that was done purposefully yeah I know a lot of people have said that they did
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not like the ending and that the ending was pointless and it was boring and they
wanted something happened and nothing happened but I think that switch in
perspectives was done so purposefully because now we're not in Johnny's point
of view anymore so we're not just like kind of following along with him in his
journey like kind of knowing what to expect what's gonna happen we're now in
(33:12):
the final girls where she doesn't know what's gonna happen and she's kind of
tense and we're kind of tense because we're anticipating it the way she's
supposed to be anticipating it so now we're truly in her shoes in her point of
view yeah I'm like why not you know like why does a movie have to be one thing
why can't it change absolutely you know I think it definitely made me super
(33:33):
anxious yeah like made the stakes feel higher oh absolutely you know because and
we were like getting frustrated at the woman in the car we're like what are you
doing like stop it and it just totally puts you like it switched gears so
suddenly he didn't like I didn't even realize how much I was like first I was
rooting for Johnny to fuck up all these scenes and now I'm hoping for this girl
(33:56):
like come on yeah yeah so it's it's kind of interesting how there's that like
that duality there yeah like within one film right and I think it reminds you of
like how nothing is safe yeah in these movies you know absolutely because
(34:16):
there are moments where that that lady was helping her is like oh she like
roll you to do in in on it somehow or what's gonna happen but like the sound
as she's she's running stumbling through the woods too they take the hacking the
repetitive hacking yeah and they like incorporate it into the sound design
where it's just this droning hum that she's like hearing so it's it's also
(34:41):
still her perspective yeah she's so traumatized just having witnessed that
yeah that it's just playing over and over in her head and also Adam made a
good note of like it kind of sounds like his footsteps to following her it's a
little bit like you're being thrown into the mind of somebody who's still in
shock but also simultaneously dealing with like PTSD of the situation so she's
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like you're you're just smack dab in the middle of that fear yeah yeah I thought
it was super effective I liked it I honestly don't have any excuse me I
don't have any complaints yeah I do want to ask do you have a favorite scene in
the movie whether it's a kill whether it's a moment whether it's a shot
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whether it's an edit just like a favorite point I wanna watch it yeah
please my favorite point in this movie where I think it just kind of set the
tone for me is when the teens are sitting around the campfire and the
camera is just circling them yes I get like with what you said about Johnny
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being this like hunter going after his prey very animalistic that's what it
felt like it felt like wolves like circling a group of people it felt like
we weren't supposed to specifically focus on the people in the frame but
listen to what they were saying and I kept looking out into the distance
being like is he gonna pop out like where is he coming from and the more
(36:14):
that the camera just spun around them the more that anticipation and anxiety
just built and built and built and I just thought that was so brilliantly
brilliantly executed like it was I master class I just it was great I think
hearing your thoughts on that and me remembering it now yes I will have to
(36:36):
agree with you I think that is yeah definitely the point where it did set
the tone yeah I did like how they would show him barely because it's super dim
lighting you would see him very like faintly in the back just watching
yeah like who's gonna fuck up and you know when they take the picture the like
(36:56):
the picture of the group all together you know he's gonna be in it yeah but in
you know in a typical movie they would they would probably show them looking
through the picture and being like what's yeah you know but they you don't
you don't have that moment which I think is like it's different and I feel like it
feels more it's just not it doesn't yeah not typical and cheesy but they do
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mention that like who's that guy in the picture so it's like it gives you enough
to get yes you know the idea or whatever I also love the dialogue okay between the
teens because I feel like they they keep the corniness like it's cheesy dialogue
and part of you is like who talks like that but also it's kind of funny and
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entertaining I think and they keep it modern too yeah yeah absolutely I think
that was another point that I was reading in reviews that people disliked
was that they thought that the dialogue was just stupid I guess slash which have
stupid dialogue yeah they have ridiculous dialogue because you're not
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supposed to care about the characters like at least in movies at like when
slasher movies were super super popularized like you're not going to the
movie to see these characters like yeah it was a plus when you had a final girl
but you were going to see like the Jasons or the Michaels just slaughter
everyone in the movie and I think people look back at those the older slashers
(38:23):
and find the dialogue kitschy yeah you know where they think it's cool but like
if you really listen it's fucking like it's I feel like it's the same effect
but honestly if you think about it like as teenagers we were dumb we were
talking about dumb yeah like yeah and have dialogue of substance yeah yeah
(38:45):
very interesting I'd like to turn it to Adam hello your thoughts or like
favorite scenes yeah lasting impressions no I liked it a lot I think that it's
interesting because I feel like one scene I really liked is like when they
(39:09):
show Johnny's face you know he like takes off the mask and he's like looking at
the firetruck and stuff it's interesting because like I really didn't expect that
at all it like most of the movie is like it's very indifferent like I feel like
that's like really the tone of the film is indifferent like most scary movies
most horror films are like they tell you how to feel it's like this is bad this is
(39:34):
scary they're in danger and then you see like the jump scares and you can like
get a sense of it but this one it's like it's he's killing but it's it is like
watching like yeah from a trail camera or something where it doesn't feel a
particular way about it it just shows you exactly what's happening and I think
that was like the one moment in the film where it's like you get a sense that
(39:58):
there's like some sort of life in him and then it just jumps back into like
he's this force of nature and yeah I like that a lot but I like that it's I
feel like it's interesting because like Christine you said that people said like
the dialogue was kind of corny and stuff and I had seen another review like that
(40:20):
where they said it was most of the film takes itself too seriously and then
there's corny dialogue which plays against it but I fully disagree with that
like I feel like the film knows what it is like the yoga like I feel like at
most slashers they'll have like a sense of it's like a sense of humor where some
(40:43):
of the joke or some of the kills are punchlines to what a character is and
you see that very clearly with like the yoga thing it's like she's contorting so
much like because she's a yoga character and like yeah with the last kill with
the boyfriend it's like so anticlimactic like you could basically even say like
the punchline is he's like killed he's like it's splitting down his head
(41:05):
basically where it's like he's in over his head in a plan that doesn't work you
know but like yeah I think it fits so perfectly because like it takes those
tropes and it just makes it it's like you're indifferent about it but I think
some people might have needed like the score to like lead them along to make
(41:27):
them feel like comfortable with what was happening yeah but I like that it doesn't
very well said yes no I feel like that's very true that I think people are just
very used and conditioned to like yeah movies telling them how to feel you know
yeah so when they see something that definitely diverts from that you don't
(41:50):
get that they don't know how to feel and so they feel like maybe some people
just get the sense that like oh they didn't do anything with it they didn't
follow through with something and I just didn't take it that way I think it was
still effective and you know it's okay
(42:12):
it's still super entertaining and cool perspective yeah I'd like to see how else
we can play with this form I'm really curious if this is going to kind of
kickstart the slasher genre in any direction not necessarily to have like a
whole bunch of different movies be in my POV but just like yeah the creativeness
(42:36):
of kind of doing something different with our slasher you can do something
just out of the box and like not follow the same stuff or at least just play
with it yeah yeah overall I really enjoyed this movie I like it
yeah yeah I did like it I gotta do a second watch soon did you watch it a
(42:58):
second time I haven't not yet but I definitely want to nice yeah yeah guys
it should be streaming on shutter I believe yes soon already believe this
episode will be released July the first Wednesday of July so it's probably gonna
be out remember guys catch us the first Wednesday of every month yeah
(43:23):
so hey I noticed this box of bear traps is it's empty yeah am I good to take
take a piss in the woods right now or yeah man go for it I mean you got you
gotta go when you gotta go all right I guess I'm gonna go but yeah I'll be
right back well he's done for sayonara
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