Dietitian Diaries: Gender Gaps, Garden Hacks, and Peanut Butter Chats With Jen Rock

Can gender dynamics in dietetics be traced back to ancient perceptions of "women's work"? This episode kicks off with our guest, Jen, a registered dietitian, shedding light on the gender disparity within the field and the critical role dietitians play, often underappreciated, in healthcare. We tackle the amusing yet serious challenge of wellness influencers who muddy the waters with misinformation, comparing it to how everyone feels like a sleep expert simply because they sleep. With humor and insight, we navigate the societal attitudes surrounding dietetics and the distinct challenges faced by healthcare professionals.

Embrace the marvels of modern agriculture as we highlight the upsides of GMOs in overcoming historical agricultural obstacles. From personal food quirks to practical gardening hacks, this episode has it all. Discover why we think starting a garden with herbs and leafy greens is a smart move, and hear us humorously complain about the trials of growing carrots. A quiz-style segment pits our nutritional knowledge against expert advice, underscoring the importance of fruits and vegetables in our diets, while also revealing the common misconceptions people hold about healthy eating.

Ever had an awkward moment when someone asked for free professional advice at a party? We share hilarious anecdotes about these social interactions, especially when people discover one is a dietitian. From unprompted weight loss queries to unexpected dating app exchanges, these tales offer a lighthearted look at the social challenges that come with certain professions. We also explore the world of content creation, emphasizing the importance of authenticity over clout and poking fun at diet fads and misinformation. All this leads to a lively discussion about peanut butter, ice cream, and the joys of simply savoring the foods we love.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to, not episode 69 of In Moderation,
unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome to episode 69 minus two, because this is
episode two.
Good enough, that's what we'regoing to.
We're just going to say 69minus 169, 69 plus 169 plus two,
and we're just, and that isgoing to be our system moving
forward.
I've already decided it's base69, base yes, right.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
We have freedom units in America, we have, you know,
the, the, what, the metricsystem everywhere else, and then
we have our system, which isjust bases of 69.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
You know it's going to take off.
Everybody's going to love it.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
We're going to hit the 13 year old male demographic
real fucking hard, Heck yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Are you kidding?
We're going to hit the 40 yearold male demographic.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
That's pretty much pretty much all males.
We're good we got this.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah, yeah, well, that's okay.
We were lacking in male viewers.
Most of our viewers were female, so we needed to make up the
difference.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
somehow Are most of our listeners.
Have you seen the numbers?
Yes, what percentage?

Speaker 1 (00:57):
is it?
What's the it's roughly 60-40.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
60-40.
60-40?
Interesting, that's pretty.
This leads me to my nextquestion.
Hey Chen, you're a registereddietitian.
We'll get into your thing in asecond here.
But why is the registereddietitian field so
female-dominated?
What's up with that?

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Well, I know that it is viewed as women's work.
There's a lot of sexism indietetics and other medical
professions.
Often don't take us seriouslyso and it's it's like nursing,
where nurses are like thebackbone of a hospital but,
they're not seen as that either,and it's seen as women's work I

(01:39):
feel like.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
I think like nurses are getting more recognition
over time, like they're slowlygetting more like, but we're not
especially like covid have,like those sort of things happen
, but I don't think.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
I think nurses are getting more recognition over
time.
They're slowly getting more, Ithink especially after COVID
COVID.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
those sort of things happen, but I don't think
dieticians are.
I feel like they should havegotten there because of what
America is eating.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Is this like the next step of get in the kitchen?
Now?
It's like.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
It's been this way forever.
The dietetics profession wasstarted by a woman and they
found that this is, I believe,back in the early 1900s.
Please don't quote me because II learned this in grad school.
I can't remember anythinganymore but they were finding
that when there wereinterventions done with the food
that was fed to people inhospitals, they lived longer and

(02:24):
that kind of jumpstarted thedietetics profession.
I believe the woman who startedit also invented chocolate chip
cookies.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, I'm gonna look this up.
That's great.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
I do believe that is true, but so does that mean
chocolate chip cookies make.
You are good.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Okay, good for you.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
I'm gonna say yes, yes, definitely as a
professional opinion here.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Interesting.
So I mean, do you think you'llget there with time?
Do you think it'll like levelout more, you know, like male,
female, like with time.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
I don't know.
I mean, I meet so few men in mygraduating class.
In grad school I knew two menand that was out of 60
candidates on my class.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Wow, it's interesting because I only I only met like
Zach Cohen and there's like, Ithink, like another male, a
couple other male dietitian.
So I thought it was likeactually pretty even.
And then I learned more.
I was like, oh shit, no, it'snot like even at all.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
No.
So it's a look down upon field.
I've worked in enough hospitalswith enough doctors who kind of
shrugged me off to know thattoo.
And it's a bummer because it iswork that is life-saving and
life-changing and can reallyboost someone's longevity I mean
seriously, like no, the talknow is about our diet.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
How terrible it is this and that.
Like a lot of food, let thyfood be thy medicine.
Like I'm seeing that like bbbop I go to bb bop they got that
hippocrates quote or whateveron the wall.
Like I feel like we're startingto really say, hey, diet's
important.
So I feel like dietitiansshould be able to get some of
the get some of the clout withthat or whatever it is,

(03:57):
Unfortunately, diet's importantIf it comes from a wellness
influencer maybe it's, yeah,maybe it's just like the
wellness thing.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
The thing that I have been fighting for years, even
before the rise of the wellnessinfluencer, because I got my RD
in 2013, when wellnessinfluencers were in their
infancy, but people stillthought they knew more because
they saw something on aninternet or they did something
for themselves.
I came into dietetics, withAtkins diet being a raging thing

(04:26):
and keto being on the rise andpaleo was huge when I was in
grad school, okay, and peoplealready had that attitude of I
know more than I know the secret.
There's a very narcissisticattitude of I know a secret that
no one's telling anyone elseand I can help fix everyone.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Okay, hear me out here.
I think it's because part ofthe reason it's I'm sure there's
a lot of reasons, but it'seating is something we all do,
but pretty much all of us do.
We'll just say we all eat,right.
So, whatever we all do, we allthink we're like an expert in it
Like I worked in sleep medicinefor years, right, an expert in
it.
Like I worked in sleep medicinefor years, right.
So like I, you know, learn allabout sleep and this.

(05:05):
And that I get people coming inthey're like, oh no, I know all
this stuff.
I'm like, no, you're, you don'tknow shit about your sleep first
of all, you don't know what'sgoing on when you sleep, but you
think you do, but you don'tright, and because it's because
you sleep every night, so youthink, so you eat every day, so
you're like okay, so Iunderstand, it's like well,
that's a little more morenuanced to this, so I feel like
anything.
But whereas, like, if you havelike a tumor we don't all just
deal with like tumors every dayand shit like that you go to

(05:27):
someone and you get a tumortaken care of right like that.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
I feel like that's part you are dead on about that,
because eating is a thingeveryone has to do.
Everyone feels to a degree thatthey know exactly what they're
doing, or they and I have seencountless patients who come in
and go I know what I I'msupposed to be doing and I said,
of course you do.
Everybody knows that theyshould eat.
Well, not everybody anymore,because everything's ruined
Right, right, right, but mostpeople know they should eat

(05:52):
fruits and vegetables and theydon't.
And I tell people that's reallylike 30% of the problem and the
other 70 is there'spsychological components,
there's genetic components,there's environmental components
.
There's psychologicalcomponents, there's genetic
components, there'senvironmental components,
there's economic components.
It's not about just what youknow, and luckily I'm really

(06:12):
blessed with the people who Isee come in with the awareness
that they're clearly missingsomething.
But I meet just as many peopleon the street if I introduce
myself as a dietician andthey're like oh well, did you
know that if you eat nothing butbutter, it will make all of the
inflammation?

Speaker 2 (06:30):
go away.
The problem is our primaryenergy source.
Once we knock that out, allthese just goes away like that
Amazing.
Well, anyway, Jen, we kind ofwent on for a while there.
Do you want to like introduceyourself?
I just kind of went into it.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
Sure, so I'm Jen.
I am a registered dietitianfrom New York.
I specialize in a lot of randomthings.
I was telling Rob before westarted because I've had a 12
year career now.
So I have worked with peopleliving with HIV for years.
Then I went into adolescentpsych inpatient and did that

(07:07):
work for several years and thenI was basically burnt out on
public health.
So I started my own practiceand I specialize now in healthy
weight, healthy eating.
Someone comes to me and says Ieat terribly and I help fix that
.
I'm vegan and vegetarianfriendly, Although if you put

(07:28):
any food in front of me I'll eatit.
I am an omnivore, but I reallyrespect vegans and want to make
sure that they get the same careand are not told they have to
start eating meat to be healthy.
I do what I call baby sportsnutrition because I work with
high school athletes a lot.
I've never worked withprofessional athletes, but I
help high school athletes gethealthy and generally I just

(07:49):
really like to show people thatyou can enjoy food and eat
healthy and it doesn't have tobe either or or a miserable
experience or a diet that justmakes you feel sick, but a
lifestyle change that can makeyou feel your best.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Is that why you started doing social media?
Just to try and like give someof those tips and whatnot?

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Exactly, and I share a lot with my garden.
I grow a lot of my own food,and I did that because when I
was in grad school, my wholedissertation was on connecting
people more to their food andwhere it comes from, because
they might be more interested ineating it.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Right.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
So I put a lot of garden content on what I do as
well.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
I feel like that is a kind of an issue we get very
disconnected from.
Like you go to the grocerystore and there's just this like
container that has energy in itand then you consume said
energy, but there's really, likethat, a complete disconnect
from and whether it's animalsource, plant source, whatever
we're just like yeah, I don'tknow, it just shows up at the
store.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
Yep, when I worked in adolescent psych.
These are kids who lived in apsych facility, went to school
there and never left, and theywere also inner city kids and I
started a roof garden therebecause none of them had seen a
vegetable or where it came from.
Started a roof garden therebecause none of them had seen a
vegetable or where it came from.
They were they would refer tolike any kind of greens, as
salad, like a spinach salad.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Cause they haven't seen it Like they just.
I've seen videos where there'slike a kid look.
He's like, hey, what's that?
And the kid with the guy waseating broccoli.
He's like I've never seen thatbefore, like where they live.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
they just don't have access to those foods, or they'd
be shocked that it comes fromdirt.
They'd be like my food was inthe dirt.
So I love doing all sorts ofthat.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
I kind of span a lot of different sections now, but I
love it.
Has growing your own food kindof taught you anything that
maybe before you didn't reallylike think about, or like you
know it's just maybe made youthink about something more.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
It's a good question.
I've been so.
I used to garden with my mom asa kid and I kind of carried
that love into adulthood.
Um, as I've grown my own food,uh, I've really learned a lot
about failure is a part of theprocess.
Oh yeah, because things gowrong so often I've, I've grown.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
I've had a garden for the last like few years, like a
small one, like I just do areal small one, and I've I've
very much learned this.
Like you do one, like I just doa real small one, and I very
much learned this.
Like you do one thing wrong,you're like, oh, that's ruined
this entire batch that I wastrying to grow.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
This past year.
I made an entire video aboutmassive fails, because
everything was going wrong atonce this year and I still
managed to pull vegetables outof it in the end, but it was
just like oh, hey, if you grow agarden near a tree, the tree
will invade and kill your garden.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
That's fun.
Can we all just acknowledge,then, that GMOs are amazing and
how awesome they are Becausethey allow us to actually grow
food that actually grows,instead of just having, like a
little thing, make everything gowrong?
Because this is like you know,like I love history, I'm always
listening to history podcastsand it's always just like oh,
and then this, this one, I don'tknow, the, the locusts came, or

(10:49):
fucking like this one invasivespecies came and all the food
went away, all the wheat diedand every and thousands and
thousands of people starved todeath because of that, and now
we just have.
We're just like, oh well, let'sjust do this, all right.
Well, okay, you know thebananas.
That type of banana didn't work.
We're gonna do a differentbanana.
Grant michelle's out.
Okay, we're cavendish.
Get in there, buddy, you gotthis like.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
I feel like if more people did their own gardening,
they definitely have a adifferent view of pesticides.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
And yes, yes, I was gonna say I have more respect
for pesticide use, because it isimpossible to grow something
like a strawberry if you don'tuse something right, and it's
not like we're saying we shoulddump pesticides everywhere, but
I mean, I'm saying, I'm sayingnot even on gardens I'm saying
we should dump pesticidesliterally everywhere old folks

(11:37):
saying that children's hospitals.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
It should just be okay paul saladino's house we
can start there.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Okay, agreed.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
But I've had ridiculous like I had an issue
where pillbugs pillbugs are thebeloved bug of the bug world.
I think we all grow up.
We see the roly polies, we lovethem.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Those fuckers destroyed everything in my
garden and I had to start Iorganic garden, so I was putting
down the organic stuff whichstill says if you touch this,
wash your hands or it could killyou.
Yeah, and that's how I teachother people Please stop
focusing on organics.
If you can't afford it, justbuy what you can.
But I had to eradicate rolypolies of all things because

(12:20):
they were eating everything thatI grew Damn yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
So like we, we come a long way.
We're like you know, like Iappreciate and like listen.
And so here's the thing likethe people that like own the
gmos, like yeah, they'reshitheads, and like I totally
get that they push out likesmall businesses and they treat
like all these things like yeah,that's humans, like humans suck
right, no matter what fieldthis is.
If, if there's money involved,then humans are going to fucking

(12:45):
, are going to do some shitTales olden time.
But like the GMOs themselves,that's pretty cool.
Like we're like removingcyanide from like one of those
that you could not.
Well, yuka, yuka or Yaka is thesame thing as as, as cassava,
that's, that's right.
I think this is the same thing.
Anyway, we're like removing,like the cyanide from them or

(13:05):
whatever, so they can actuallybe used Using genetic
engineering, like gene splicing.
It's fucking awesome.
Listen, I just want to say Ilove modernity.
All right, all you fuckingpeople talking about like oh,
we're going back to ourancestors Hell, no, you poop in
a bucket.
I'm going to eat my banana.
That is a fucking clone ofevery other banana.
That's totally fine.
That's full of sugar, I don'tgive a shit.

(13:27):
It tastes good and like you.
Have you seen the, the ancestorof the banana?

Speaker 3 (13:31):
that shit looked awful, terrible banana seeds oh,
but have you?

Speaker 2 (13:37):
it's mostly seeds and there's like a tiny bit of
banana flesh, like just enoughfor like apes to be like.
Oh, I'll pick this up, like no,I want to be able to just open
up my banana peel, eat done.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
What's really wild, though, is that we're still
doing some of the mistakes thatwe should not be doing anymore,
which leads to those famines,which is let's just have one
type of thing that we massproduce and give to everyone.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
I do get that I did traveling in Peru Because it's
cheap.
I do get that I did travelingin Peru Because it's cheap.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yeah, one of the gimmicks when you travel in a
tour group in Peru is at onepoint they'll put like a stack
of bananas in your lap and thereare like 12 different ones that
all look totally different butthey don't have the seeds and
they all taste great.
It's just like there's a smallred one and there's a skinny
green one, oh God.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
I was doing volunteer work in the Amazon in Peru and
of course that meant having toface the bananas.
Oh yeah right, I forgot youhate bananas.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
I just blocked that from my memory, but anyway.
So yes, wait, I need to knowmore.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
You hate bananas, he hates bananas.
It's a whole thing.
We're not getting into Rob'sbanana hate.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
It's stupid and no one else agrees.
He doesn't like the texture ofit, fine, I also don't like.
You know, oysters, we all havethe things that we just, you
know, don't like, or whatever.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
I will literally eat almost anything.
The one thing I will not eat ishot dogs.
That's what I hate, hot dogs.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
And it's just not American enough, are you just
not?

Speaker 3 (14:59):
I think the problem is it's too American, too
American, I don't, it's okay.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah, Uh, okay.
So oh, I was going to ask youbefore we move on from the
gardening Is there anything likeyou recommend?
Like starting with gardeningway from your experience with it
?
Like, if people are like, Iwouldn't mind making a small
thing.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
I think start with herbs.
They can be very friendly toerror, um, and they can be
indoors or outdoors.
So if you don't have land,they're very friendly to just
putting on a windowsill, andthen you can kind of extend that
into leafy things like lettuces, which grow really fast.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
And can be indoors or outdoors.
And then radishes, because theygrow the fastest out of
anything I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Radishes grow super fast.
Here's my thought process,though.
Okay, so hear me out here.
Okay, I'm all like it's listen,I'm about saving money.
You see, if you see any of myvideos, I'm always about like
clearing section, shit like that.
Am I gonna grow a fuckingcarrot?
Like, do you know how cheapcarrots are at the store?
They basically pay you to takethem away and I'm going to
reserve some of my space to growcarrots.

(16:00):
That would a carrot that wouldcost me what?
Three pennies at the store.
No, and so radishes, carrots,even potatoes.
I love potatoes.
I just bought a five pound bagof potatoes for three dollars.
You know what space they takeup, take up, and I'm gonna, I'm
gonna reserve space in my garden.
No, what costs more?
Right, what costs more?
Lettuce?

(16:20):
That shit like so, especiallysome like spring mixes and
whatnot.
Those can be kind of expensive.
So I'm like okay, I'll growthat.
I don't mind growing that.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
Um, I don't remember so I will give you a cost-saving
tip, though, if you do want togrow potatoes, because what I
end up doing is buying potatoesand forgetting they exist, and
then they become aliens insidemy cabinet, can you just throw
them in the ground?
You, you can.
Okay, you can actually everyeye becomes a new potato plant,
so you can cut them up intopieces and then you will grow

(16:49):
like 16 potato plants off onepotato Okay.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
So if you've just got the space, you know like, as
long as space isn't like supertight, you know then throw some
potatoes in the ground.
I grew sweet potatoes one year.
It actually did really well, sothat was kind of cool and they
were like super.
It's just when you growsomething fresh.
It is just kind of different.
People like, oh, I'm from thiscountry and here we get dragon
fruit fresh or whatever, andit's delicious.
I'm like I totally believe you,because once it's shipped to

(17:12):
80,000 miles toward my fuckingcolumbus, ohio, it already
tastes terrible.
So you know growing it yourselflike.
I've tried to grow berries,though, and that shit sucks.
They don't grow half worth adamn they get like, yeah, I have
.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
I have had one year of good strawberries and since
then you know what's really good.
I really recommend them.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Um is uh ground cherries ground cherries yeah,
so they're made out of theground.
They are.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
This is a weird transition, but they are a
cousin of tomatoes.
They are related to tomatillos,but they taste like a
combination of sorry rob bananaand pineapple they grow in these
little lanterns.
They're like a trop likethey're kind of tropical, but
they'll grow in a temperateclimate all summer and if you

(18:00):
want to bring them inside in apot, you can do that.
What the fuck are they?

Speaker 2 (18:03):
looking these up.
They're weird as hell.
What is this?
They grow in a little lantern,like.
If you want to bring theminside in a pot, you can do that
.
What the fuck are they?
I'm looking these up.
They're weird as hell.
What is this?

Speaker 3 (18:06):
They grow in a little lantern, like if you've ever
seen a tomatillo.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
They're little tomatoes.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
They are in the same family and if you've ever seen a
tomatillo, they grow in alantern.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
If you've ever seen a cherry tomato, it looks like
that is what I'm saying.
Tomatillos grow in these paperlanterns and they are like a
miniature version of that?

Speaker 3 (18:27):
yeah, they're in a little fucking lantern, what the
hell.
And where I have failed withevery berry?

Speaker 2 (18:29):
this wouldn't stop growing okay, I will look into
this, because I'm always intothings that like cost more at
the store.
But I can grow myself.
That's, that's what I'm gonnagrow.
I'm not gonna grow a goddamncucumber.
Get out of here with this.
Cucumber seeds, zucchini.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Zucchini is one of the hardest ones to grow.
It's just heartbreak all theway around.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
So I grew zucchini one year and it took over, it
just took over my entire garden.
It just went and then, I had abunch of them and they just
wouldn't stop growing.
And like I, that was that wasthe problem, was they just?
They just beat up all my otherplants.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Well, you got lucky, because what usually happens, is
squash vine borers or squashbugs or both will invade and
they will just kill the wholecrop.
Okay, I literally sat therelast summer doing surgery, where
I'd take tweezers pulling thelarva out and then I'd literally
take a syringe and put myorganic pesticide inside.
It was just a whole operationto keep my plants alive.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Damn.
Did you have scrubs andeverything while you were doing
this?
I should have Shame Out backdoing some sort of operation on
your plants.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
It literally felt like that I would take a knife
and I'd cut open the thing andthen I would go searching for
the bug and pull it out.
It was, it was and it was gross.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
So, before we move on from gardening, is there
anything else you wanted to sayabout gardening or anything like
that?
You want to tell anything youwant to tell people about?

Speaker 3 (19:50):
um it.
Gardening is a less.
Again, it is a lesson inlearning that failure is part of
the process.
But uh it, it can be worth it.
It and things do taste betterwhen you grow them yourself.
Um, but it can also be reallyhard.
So I totally respect people whoare like.
This is not for me.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Start with herbs and then grow things that are
expensive.
That's what I say Don't begrowing carrots.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
Carrots are hard to grow too.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
I'm like.
Why would I waste my time with?

Speaker 3 (20:19):
it, mine are all about that, long or smaller.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, like I can buy a big old bugs bunny carrot for
20s for for for pennies anyway,um, I looked up.
I looked up before this.
I wanted to look up this.
Um, uh, questions to ask adietician I was just like and
I'm just like, I'm curious, likewhat if I just ask you these
with unprompted?
You have no idea what I'm gonnaask.
I actually don't really knowwhat I'm gonna ask either,

(20:42):
because I found this article byuh, by university of utah.
University of utah.
Now they asked seven questionsto their dietician.
Uh, theresa, I want to say uhand then she gave answers.
Now, um, I'm gonna ask you thequestion and if you don't give
the same answer she gets, I'mgonna be very disappointed.
Let me just put it that way.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
I'm gonna be very.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
No, you're gonna take my, and for every answer you
get incorrectly, one credentialgets taken away from you.
Oh no, and there's seven ofthem.
So this is a real problem, okay.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Okay, we're going to start slowly losing letters at
the end of your name.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Oh boy, We'll start with the.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
N and then the D.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
So we're going to go with Jen Rock and wrong, you're
gonna be left with something,okay wait, what if I lose my
name?

Speaker 3 (21:23):
you might lose your name, you very well might be and
you probably are.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
I just looked at the first question and like I this
okay, all right, I have not readall of these questions, I just
read, like the first two okay,what's the best thing you can
eat?
That's the entire question.
That is the entire questionthey asked a registered
dietitian.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Wow what is?

Speaker 2 (21:42):
the best thing, Jen?
What's the best thing that youcould?

Speaker 1 (21:46):
eat.
That's a loaded question rightoff the start.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
I actually hate this question.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Oh it's no, it's not a good question and I wouldn't
recommend it, but I thought thiswas a funny thing to do.
What's the best thing you caneat?

Speaker 3 (21:58):
No, no, there isn't a thing.
There isn't a best thing?
No, there is.
She answered it and you have togive me that answer.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
That's Teresa Teresa Dvorak.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Aren't you glad that I invited you on the podcast now
?

Speaker 2 (22:11):
How do I pronounce it ?
D-v-o-r-a-k.
Dvorak, dvorak.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
Dvorak.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
I'm going to say Dvorak.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
So I'm going to cheat my way out of this because I
have to for survival.
I feel like I'm always sayingI'm in the business of getting
people to just eat more fruitsand vegetables and I know that's
the correct answer.
It is fruits and vegetables,yes.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Correct answer.
Fruits and vegetables was theironly answer.
There's no follow up, there'sno like, because of X, Y and Z.
It's literally just what's thebest thing you can eat, Teresa
Fruits and vegetables.
That's it.
She probably went on for like20 minutes and they were like

(22:55):
fruits and vegetables.
That's enough.
Your name is already longenough, so we're just going to
vegetables.
Okay, but why would they sayfruits and vegetables?
What's what?
Why?
What's good about why?
Why we eat fruits andvegetables?

Speaker 3 (23:03):
So fruits and vegetables are very nutrient,
dense they have vitamins andminerals.
If you eat a variety, you densethey have vitamins and minerals
.
If you eat a variety, you getall of the vitamins and minerals
you need in your diet, more orless.
There is some lacking thingslike B12 that you can mostly
only get from animal products,but vitamin minerals are one

(23:24):
Fiber which I know is Liam'sfavorite thing.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, I was just waiting for the fiber to be
brought up is number two.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
Uh, because they are fiber dense and fiber does
multiple things.
It keeps us full, especially incombination with protein in a
meal, um, so you're not hungryan hour later and reaching for a
snack, um, it feeds our gutbacteria.
So everybody's hung up onprobiotics.
But if you put probiotics inyour body and then don't feed

(23:50):
them, then you're kind of justnot doing very well.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
It's a prebiotic, which is what your gut bacteria
feed on, so you got gut bacteria.
Unless you're a carnivore, thenyou ain't got shit.
I mean, you literally don'thave shit, like you don't
because you've got.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
No, I don't want to know what's going on in the
carnivore diet?
I don't want to know what'sgoing on in the carnivore diet
GI.
I can't think about it.
But I tell people think of yourgut bacteria as a zoo and you
have to feed the animals and thefiber is what you feed them
with.
So those are my big reasons.

(24:35):
Heavily on fruits andvegetables is what they
recommend to cure basically allmetabolic issues that plague us.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
It's also what they recommend for prevention of a
number of diseases of aging,including cancer, dementia,
cruciferous vegetables and, likeyou know, the antioxidant
properties of especiallycruciferous vegetables, and
talking about like cancer risk,like all vegetables seem to you
know, are at least associatedwith a reduced risk of cancer.
So like and the saddest thingto me is like what 90% of

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Americans don't eat enoughvegetables and like 87% don't
eat enough fruit.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
Like when I tell people, I tell people when I
counsel them that 50% of theirplate should be either a fruit
or a veggie, or both.
And they're shocked becausemost people come in saying, oh,
I eat pretty healthy becausethey have a vegetable on the
plate, right, but it's like asprinkling of vegetable on the
plate and they're like I did it,Some sprinkles.
And I'm like we got to expandand this can include beans as

(25:29):
well.
I count those because of thefiber content and nutrient
content too.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
They are separate into legumes and they are a
protein and fiber food.
But yeah, we got to get that tofill up a lot of the plate.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
I mean really fruits, vegetables, legumes, like all
these, like they're all allfantastic.
So the best thing you can eatlike you know it's a bit of a, I
know it's a total, like kind ofcop-out question, but like, if
you are gonna say something, Ifeel like fruits and vegetables
is a a safe thing to at leastanswer.
Yeah, but what did theresa sayto number two?
What's the worst thing you caneat?

(26:04):
That's the entire question.
What is the worst thing you caneat?
No, it is not cyanide.
No, I'll give you hints, it isnot spoiled food, even though
that's probably would be.
My answer is like rotten, Iwould say like foods you're
allergic to.
Is it tied pods?
It's well, I guess it just saysthing you could eat.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
It doesn't say food so but okay, did you find the
list of the worst questions toask?

Speaker 2 (26:29):
no, these are not great questions, but I looked
through some good questions andthose would be really boring to
ask you and I liked these more.
So I was like I'm going withthese because this makes for
better content and I'm all aboutmaking the better content.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
It's going to be a cop-out again because-.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yes, it is a cop-out.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
Yeah, because no food isolated in a single instance,
is bad for you.
It is all about the dose makesthe poison here.
So if you ate nothing butTwinkies for the rest of your
life, you would not be well, butif you also ate nothing but
kale for the rest of your life,you would not be well either.
So there is no worst food.
It's just in how we're bad atmoderation all of us, myself

(27:16):
included and I hate saying youhave to eat it in moderation
it's such a loaded term, but ifwe just ate things in small
amounts, that might be toocalorie dense.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yeah, we hate saying in moderation as well in our
podcast in moderation it's justso oh.
God, it's so annoying.
We always hear it.
Why are people talking about it?

Speaker 3 (27:36):
It's important, but everyone hates to hear that.
I know they hate to hear itbecause it's different for
everyone.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
And what?

Speaker 3 (27:42):
does that mean?
And blah, blah, blah andthere's a lot of nuance to it.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
It's a vague term and there's a lot of nuance to it.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
It's a vague term.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Generally yes, Everything in moderation.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Okay, what would Teresa answer, though, if it was
like a cop-out question that,just like generally, americans
are consuming too much of it?

Speaker 3 (27:57):
I'm going to give you .
This is my hint.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
This is my hint.
Is it going to be?

Speaker 3 (28:01):
ultra-precious, ultra-precious foods.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
No, I'm going to give you two more guesses.
It's not ultra processed food.
It's one thing that Americansare consuming too much of.
Is there one thing Americans no, I mean Americans are consuming
too much of several things, butit's one of those things is
what I'm saying Is it soda.
It is not soda.
I'm going to give you one more.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Is it a food or is it an ingredient?

Speaker 2 (28:22):
It's related to soda.
That's the last hint I'm givingyou.
It's related to soda.
I'll give it to you.
It's added sugar.
Added sugar is the answer.
I was about to take a letteraway from you, but I will give
you added, because you saidsugar.
I gave a bunch of hints, butstill, yeah, added sugar, that's
the only answer.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
There were so many things you could answer from the
hints.
It's just.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Yeah, well, listen, you're supposed to know, you're
both dieticians, you're supposedto know this Now.
So like it is a cop-outquestion, but like I get why she
says that, because Americans ingeneral, I mean, we are
consuming too many fats as well,but, you know, too many
calories overall, we're justconsuming just too much.
But like, added sugar is wherewe're getting a lot of those

(29:04):
calories.
And added sugar comes with what?
Pretty much just the calories,right, like no added.
You know there's no, there's novitamins or minerals, it's just
added sugar.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
Yes, but it's still building block of our energy.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Listen.
No, absolutely.
I got some starburst right inmy drawer right here.
These things are delicious andI eat like a few of them, but
we're talking about inmoderation.
I like the starburst, I.
I like the starburst because,um, I bought, I bought this at
sam's club.
There's like 38 of these and Ican take one and I just I have
the rest, like in my basement Ihave this one and like I'll take

(29:38):
like one or two starbursts outand eat it and then put it back
in my drawer and then like I'mgood, so that helps me, instead
of just like eating a whole boxof something or something like
that.
So that's the thing, it's like.
That's not harmful to mebecause I'm only having a little
bit of starbursts which aredelicious, by the way, tropical
ones.
If you have the tropicalstarburst, those are especially
good.
But uh, like, yeah, in general,like soda, like that's a reason

(30:00):
I drink diet soda is becauseone soda has 40 ish grams of
added sugar.
I usually drink two diet sodasa day.
I'm going to consume a hundredish brands of added shirt.
Two to three, I would saytypically no.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
So now that I haven't getting bigger, I guess these
four cans on my desk right now.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
That's also fair.
I drink energy drinks as well,so those also are sugar free.
So all, in all I would beconsuming over a hundred grams
of added sugar.
I didn't do like the sugar-freesodas, which that would not be
consuming it in moderation,right?
That 100 grams of sugar, addedsugar a day probably wouldn't be
the best thing for my health,right.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
No, and usually I look to beverages as one of the
first things to reduce when I'mworking with someone who might
be consuming a lot of sodabecause it's easier than trying
to cut calories in other areas.
Right yeah because soda is nota thing that's going.
If you cut it out, it's notgoing to leave you hungry yeah,
it doesn't add, so it is almostas good, I think.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
I think it's just as good, but anyway added sugar
yeah, that was the answer that Ihaven't read any of these other
ones, so this is going to be afucking mystery.
Let's just find out um three.
What do people inevitably askyou when they find out what you
do?
Okay, well, this one I don'tfeel like you know this could be
different, for you.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Yeah, this should be subjective, but the first people
don't ask me.
The first thing that comes outof people's mouths is oh, I
don't eat well and I go.
I'm not your dietitian.
These are people.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
I meet at like parties.
It's just like no they expectyou to diagnose their diet right
there on the spot.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah, what did they just say?
I eat like shit.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
Yeah, that's the first thing out of people's
mouths Total strangers.
I'm meeting them for the firsttime.
Oh, what do you do?
I'm a dietitian.
Oh, I eat terribly.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
I'm like that's about like eating poorly, or is it
just like?

Speaker 3 (31:46):
it could be guilt, it could be pride.
There's definitely I get ahandful of people who are like
trying to challenge me and belike well, I don't eat well and
I'm great, so, but oh yeah, Icould see that, like I'm seven
years old and like I, I smokecigarettes and I eat you know,
yeah, like burgers every day andI'm great.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
I could see that.
I understand that.
What was her answer?
I don't know what this?
Uh, it's usually about weightloss help, all right, so I could
definitely if that was heranswer, which I could definitely
see that I have a great.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
I have a great anecdote about that.
Um, back in the day before Iwas married, I was on several
dating sites and I just willnever forget this man.
I will never forget this man aslong as I live.
The first thing he did when hemessaged me was ask me for
weight loss advice and I saidI'm looking for dating.

(32:39):
I'm not looking to give peoplefree advice.
And he wrote back well, I'm alawyer and I'd give free legal
advice.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
That's interesting.
Okay, I can't Listen, I am.
Give free legal advice.
That's interesting.
Okay, I can't listen, I am.
I cannot tell you overstay toyou how unsurprised I am that it
was a lawyer that asked thatquestion.
Though that's, that's funny,well, anyway.
So yeah, wait.
So I guess when you meet adietitian, don't immediately ask
them how to lose weight or sayyour diet is shit.
Those are the two.
What should, what do you say?

Speaker 3 (33:06):
your diet.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
What should people say?

Speaker 3 (33:08):
I I'm open to any number of things, including oh,
I've been thinking aboutspeaking with someone about this
, like that's totally neutral,or you don't have to say
anything, like you don't have toconfess.
I think people feel like theyhave to confess.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
They don't eat well.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
You don't have to.
That's your business, and I'mnot on the clock, and it's okay.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Imagine what urologists have to hear.
They're like what do you do?
I'm a urologist, oh well, waittill you hear about this when I
go to the bathroom, I mean I canonly imagine.
Or proctologists, I don't know.
Is that the worst?
What's the worst?

Speaker 1 (33:54):
I bet you urologists get questions about the
consistency it's like aurologist, like I've.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
All I can imagine is like how crooked is too crooked?
You know what I'm saying.
Like what's?
At what point is it like?
Two, is there too much of abend?
Because you know a know a smallbend is like normal.
Anyway, I'm not asking for me,this is for a friend.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
I mean, there is a diagnosis for that, so is there
Legit question?
Oh yeah, I don't remember whatit is, but there is a condition
where there's too much bend.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Too much bend Like a full U-turn.
It doesn't matter anyway.
Number four wait, wait no butwhat I learned about this?
What I learned?

Speaker 1 (34:33):
wait, hold on.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
No, I gotta talk about this more, though this is
important.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
This guy, this guy from the dating side, is his
name greg.
He sounds like a greg I.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
It's too many years ago now.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Okay, we'll call him greg I've learned from greg that
apparently I need to startopening my conversations on
dating sites with just freeadvice, free advice.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Apparently.
That's what I need to do Try it.
Try it for a week.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
We'll check back in with you, Rob.
Number four Does that meanmessaging people and being like,
hey, you should eat morevegetables?

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Or does that mean asking?
I'm just going to startmessaging people.
Here's some advice Eat morevegetables.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Get more fiber, that wouldn't be nearly the worst
opening.
I feel like there's way worse,like hook lines or whatever that
people give you know, so I feellike I go with it.
See what happens.
What's the most common mistakepeople make that caused them to
fail at their diet?

Speaker 3 (35:26):
I think it's that they think messing up is
something that they should neverdo.
That is an expectation peopleput on themselves and they think
once they mess up, it's over.
The plan will never work.
I teach a lot of people thatsetbacks are part of learning
and growing and behavior change.

(35:47):
And if you ever look up thestages of behavior change which
is something I had to learn ingrad school they make it a wheel
.
There's pre-contemplation,contemplation, action,
maintenance and then setbacks,and then it just goes right back
into pre-contemplation.
And I teach all of my clientsthis is a circle.

(36:08):
This is not an you hit a deadend and you're done, but
everybody feels like they'rethey messed up and they'll never
be able to go back to what theywere doing.
So my favorite metaphor becauseI'm a giant nerd is that when
the empire built the death starand it was blown up, they didn't
just quit, they built a secondDeath Star.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Yes, be like the Sith .
They didn't change their plan.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
They just stuck with it, so you got to be like the
Empire.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
You got to be like the Empire.
We'll add that to a tagline.
So that was a tremendous answer.
I love it, but it wasn't her,so I'm taking away one of your
letters no.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
my state certification.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
No, we're going with letters now you're still j-rock
because there's still a c, soit's fine.
But the correct answer here wasuh, too much, too fast, too
soon.
That was the answer.
That was what I was looking for.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
There is just an answer it's actually I respect
that answer uh, just doing toomuch.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
When you go on a diet , you cut out, you know all the
things and then you know you'relike, oh, this sucks, I'm not
gonna continue with this yeah,one step at a time, people man,
how many videos do I get tagged?
and we're like I'm on a diet,this shit sucks.
All I've eaten is boiledchicken and I'm like, what are
you doing?
Yeah, were you.
Did you look at me, look at mein the eyes?
Did you really think you weregonna stick to that for not,

(37:25):
even, not even months, weeks,days, hours, like do you really
think you're sick to that?
Fuck?
No, get out of here.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
Um, okay so going to the gym six days a week without
any breaks god damn jeez, andyou were doing zero before.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Great job, we'll see.
We'll see you at the hospital.
Um.
Number five is what do you?
What do you, uh, know now as aregistered dietitian that you
wish everybody knew?
What do you know now, as aregistered dietitian that you
wish everybody knew?
What do you know now, as aregistered dietitian that you
wish everyone knew?
Let's so many things, sothere's so many looking for one
thing in particular, otherwiseyou're gonna be jay ro and I'm
not gonna get it.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Here goes my name.
So many things.
Honestly, what I've learned isthat everybody overthinks eating
healthy to an extreme.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
I am going to give that one to you.
I am actually going to give itto you.
It's not exactly what she said.
She said that it's not as hardas what people make it out to be
.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
So, like you know exactly, it's not as difficult.
People overthink it.
I guess this.
Finally, they asked to followup and they just said how?
So you know, most people knowthat they need to eat a balanced
diet and lots of fruits andvegetables, whole foods, less
processed foods and to move more, and it's really that simple.
But it's making it a priorityand taking the time to integrate
those foods, yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
People I work with are looking at weird stuff,
micro stuff like salad dressingwhen they're not eating
vegetables or like seed oils.
Yeah, all our favorite things,things if oatmeal is causing
something.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Oh, it's full of glyphosate.
You even heard what did oatmealdo to people that's full of
they.
They douse it with glyphosateand ship it to you.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
That's that's what?
But the glyphosate makes itextra delicious and that's what
gives it the kick.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
That's why I always add microplastics to my food.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
That's what really sells it yes and then that's
what we're moving on to macroplastics this year where you're
just chewing on a credit card.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
You're just like yeah , nom and down, so like you know
how they go ahead.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
I love how um they do the cutting board videos where
they're scraping off the plastic.
That's not not microplastic,that's macroplastic.
That's right.
That would be.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
But like I like how they say like the average person
consumes like two credit cardsworth of microplastics every
month, or whatever I'm like.
Well then, I'm just going to doit by just straight up eating
the credit card.
Like fuck this, likeintermediate shit, where I'm
just getting little pieces, onelarge piece and then I get my
quota.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
You know piece and then I get my quota.
You know what I'm saying.
I love that people haveconceptualized that anything
that goes into our body staysthere forever, right?

Speaker 2 (39:52):
yeah, without really thinking too hard about what
that would mean right and like Iget like microplastics they
have found them in like humantissues and stuff like that, but
like we don't have likeevidence showing like in the
human body, it's, it's, it's,it's detrimental, like they're
it's there is it it bad?
Maybe it could be, we don'treally know.
And if you want to worry aboutthat shit, but again, 90% of

(40:12):
y'all aren't eating fruits andvegetables and you're worried
about fucking microplastics getout of here with that shit.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Just want them to eat a vegetable.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Eat a carrot Again.
They're five pennies, they'reso cheap.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Just get them at the store.
Oh damn, the price went upsince the start.
It was three pennies at thestart, I don't remember, wasn't
it two?

Speaker 2 (40:28):
It's how big the carrot is.
It depends how large the carrot.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
This carrot inflation is out of control.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
I'm still not growing them myself.
All right.
Number six what's the best wayto make sure that I'm eating
healthy?
That's the whole question.
What's the best way to makesure I'm eating healthy?

(40:56):
What do I do?
These are cruel questions,cruel podcast master.
The best way to ensure you'reeating healthy?
Eat, she gets two.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
She gets two things here and I'm gonna look, I'll
give you either one.
Eating fruits and vegetables.
There is a theme and it isgoing to be very repetitive okay
, so what?

Speaker 2 (41:06):
what do?
All right, I can't even give afucking hit on this one.
I don't even know what to do.
Never mind, uh.
The answer I was looking for ismaking sure that you're
enjoying it and that you'regetting that.
You uh, that you've got lots ofcolor in your diet okay, that's
lots of color.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
I think that's half point there, because fruits and
vegetables, that's gonna giveyou color.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
I was kind of gonna go with like what do fruits,
vegetables?
Like I was like I don't reallyknow what the fun.
Like eat the rainbow.
You know, they always say thatsort of shit.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
I do love the answer.
Make sure you enjoy it, becausepeople have this idea that you
either eat healthy and you hatewhat you're eating, or you eat
what you like and there is avegetable to that, oh yeah, and
then all the time, and then youhave something sustainable,

(41:52):
whereas my clients who are likeI eat a salad every single day
forever, and it's the same saladand I'm never to, and I I
stopped them, if I can.
Or about three months intoworking with them, they're like
I hate this and I go.
You were going to get there, soeating what you enjoy is so
important.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
It's so easy to hide vegetables in food.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Yeah, so eating what you enjoy is so important.
It's so easy to hide vegetablesin food.
Yeah, it's also easy to justlike take, if you want.
I had a client who loved pizzaand she said she'd never cook
ever.
And I said, challenge accepted,so I was having her eat like a
slice of pizza and then I getlike a little side salad at the
pizza place with it.
She lost weight and hercholesterol went down doing that
.
She just wasn't eating too muchpizza.

(42:29):
But, like I now brag to all myclients, you can eat pizza and
get healthier yeah, like I.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
This was like last.
I'm not gonna go on anotherrant about it, but like it's I.
I hate that.
It's always like what's yourfavorite cheat meal?
Oh, pizza.
I'm like what the fuck's wrongwith people like is pizza really
that bad?
It's just that we eat, so weeat a lot of it when we eat
pizza, you eat at least half apie.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
You look at all the ingredients on pizza and they're
all things that are fine in anyother meal.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
But as soon as you put them together into pizza.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
It's a problem.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
What's wrong with pizza?
There was a whole family guy'skid about it.
I got to send it to you.
It's very funny when he'stalking to a personal trainer,
he's pizza and he's like, oh,you can't have, you can't have
pizza.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
He's like, why not?
Oh, because it's got it's.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Yeah, you just can't have pizza like it's got stuff
and it goes on for like a minutewhere he just keeps no, tell me
what exactly in it he's like.
Well, you know, it's just it'sthe food you know you can't like
.
It's so funny like you gottalook this shit up.
I'll send you a very funny um,but yeah, it's like it's pizza.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
Um, oh, no I just read it.
I just read it, I just read it,um, um.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
So okay, here's.
Here's a question.
Uh, jayrock, I'm gonna need youto sum up all your nutrition
knowledge in one sentence.
That is the question.
That is the fucking questionthey asked this late this poor
woman to theresa, what was it?
I don't even remember devour.
Devour, I don't even rememberwhat her name is.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
I'm gonna have to write her a letter afterwards
and be like I have been whereyou have been and I just have to
say theresa says that's reallydot, dot, dot and the interview
set.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
the interviewer says unfair, impossible, and her
first response is yeah, really.
And then she has a bunch ofstuff here, but how would you
sum up all?

Speaker 3 (44:17):
Wait, she has a bunch of stuff.
I heard one sentence.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Well, yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
Is this a run-on sentence?

Speaker 2 (44:23):
It's a run-on, it's a bunch of commas, it's the
American system.
You just keep throwing commasin there All right, let's do
this.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
Let's see If you eat more fruits and vegetables, move
more and this is all relativeto what you were doing before,
so it's not do what everyoneelse is doing, it is do a little
bit more than what you've beendoing from the start.
And then you also work onbehavior change, which takes

(44:52):
time, and you are patient withyourself because behavior change
takes time and you findsustainable ways to make these
changes and not dramaticallychange things from where you
were, just gradually change them.
Then you will be most likely tosucceed in maintaining your
goals.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Well, there was 15 commas there, but like, that's,
that's one sentence, that's allright, we'll.
We'll give it to you.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Maybe we should give her the K back for the run on
sentence.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
And we only took one, like I really only took
basically one away.
Uh yeah, she said I'm at adisadvantage here.
Eating well throughout thelifespan and finding a way to
eat for a lifetime is really thekey, rather than just how am I
going to eat for the next say,10 days or 30 days, but what
works for my body for the longterm.
So it's basically what you said.
It's just like what can you dothat's sustainable, that works

(45:44):
for you?
yep and so I'm glad they onlyasked her seven questions.
I think theresa would fuck, herhead would have exploded if it
was like a 20 at least you know,2050 question she was probably
ready to take the chair and justyou know, wrestling that, uh,
wrestling that guy so to theresadvorak, we're sorry that you
had to go through this.
Imagine she's listening to thisshit right now like she

(46:05):
actually like.
Thank god that interviewerasked me the question.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
I was pissed so this was university of utah utah.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
I am never going there oh shit, there's a whole
episode on it like maybe theyasked more but they just, I
don't know man, but that'sthat's.
That's that's funny, I I like.
I mean, those questions weren'tgood, but like it makes again,
it makes for good content, Ilike it does.
It was a great move so, yeah,but you know how you guys doing

(46:36):
oh shit is there.
I mean we're like whoa shit,it's been like an hour.
What the fuck's going on.
Um, is there anything else likethat you know you want to make
sure people know, or is thereanything that like you get at,
like you get asked a lot besides, you know, like immediately for
help, I guess, uh, that likeknow just things that come up a

(46:59):
bunch that you're like, oh, Ihave to answer that a lot, like
you know.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
Um, frequently there's a lot of wild content on
the internet and most of it isuntrustworthy and so always, you
know, check multiple sources,check with people if they have
trusted people who they follow.
I follow both you, Liam and Rob, because I find you are very

(47:23):
good, trusted content, so Irecommend you to my clients.
But it's it's a jungle outthere, and if you find that
you're getting the majority ofyour nutrition advice from the
internet, you might want toconsult the person in real life,
because that is not going togive you a whole picture of you.

(47:44):
They are giving broadgeneralizations, even when
you're.
And I will also add medicalprofessionals are not actually
legally allowed to give medicaladvice specifically on social
media.
So you are not going to get ananswer for your specific issue
that may be correct unless yousee a person in real life.

(48:06):
So multiple sources, trustedsources, do you have?

Speaker 2 (48:11):
any suggestions for people for, like, how to know if
they should trust a specificsource if they're watching
someone and they're like I don'tknow if I should trust this
person.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
The lines are crossing a lot lately because I
would say people who citeresearch.
But then I've been seeing morecontent creators cite research
in a really incorrect way thatweaponizes it or uses
confirmation bias.
So sometimes, when they'reciting the research, but not
always.
If you see someone citingresearch, meta-analyses are the

(48:45):
way to go, because that is acollection of researches that
are all confirming the sameconclusions, not just one thing
one time.
I mean, the point of researchis you have to be able to
replicate it to get the sameresults over and over again.
If you are seeing contentcreators who are cutting entire

(49:06):
macronutrients out of the diet,that is a huge red flag.
And if you are seeing contentcreators who are selling
supplements, I know that thereis nuance there, but that's
usually a red flag to me.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
It's one red like yeah, it's, you know it's they
could.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
I've I've seen a lot of you know, dustin pointer size
red flag.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Like I've seen some good people who give good advice
sell supplements Like you know,I'm like I totally, I get it.
You got to make your money, likeI totally understand, as long
as you're not being disingenuouswith it, like I get it what I
would just say is, like you know, we've talked about many times,
but really just like speakingwith in extremes, just like I,
just that's what I justimmediately when I see someone.

(49:48):
Like you know, all of this isboiled down to this.
This causes that I've talkedabout it many times, but like
that is just like the biggestred flag, because they're trying
to sum up everything withoutany nuance and just one thing,
which usually then, yeah, leadsinto like some sort of sales
pitch on something.
Recently, what I've been seeingis, um, they've been like

(50:11):
because the tiktok shop, youknow, like tiktok shop, I mean,
I'm gonna be going away, we'llsee, but like as of recording,
tiktok shop is still a thing,and there's, there's videos I'm
getting tagged in like 10million views, 20 million views,
30 million views, and they'rejust like starting off with like
just a, a hot button issue orlike a current event like, uh,

(50:32):
luigi, you know, like the whole,like ceo health care was, you
know the ceo of, like you knowhealth care was shot.
They would open it up likeyelling about him or something.
And there's this one like MrIncredible, put the whole
healthcare system to shame.
It's just like this kind ofwild opening and then it just
slowly devolves into the salespitch for NAD or some other

(50:54):
supplement and I just see thatover and over again I'm
compiling a bunch of them in myfavorites because I was like,
let me see if I can just getlike all of these together to
show people and likecollectively these have like a
hundred million views and solike anything that opens up with
that like extreme and you seethem selling something you gotta
be especially a problem ontiktok, because tiktok was

(51:17):
pushing the tiktok shop and thusany content that was part of
the.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
TikTok shop is just getting mass push to everybody
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
And that makes sense because that's how they make
their money.
So, like you know, I appreciateit, for when I try and you know
I link a nut milk maker Walnutmilk pretty decent.
That was like I made that, likeI actually enjoyed that.
A little bitter, I feel.
Like people told me apparentlyyou got to soak your nuts, which
I do normally, but not mywalnuts.
You got to soak your nuts andfor like overnight or something,

(51:46):
I knew it was coming.
I mean, as you talk about nuts,you gotta be.
I gotta bring up a Deez nutsjoke at least once.
Come on, I'm only human.
And so you gotta like soak themin water and then remove that
water and then make your walnutmilk with the soaked nuts and
like add a little bit of salt.
So I'm gonna try that next.
That's what I'm, that's that'swhat I'm doing.
Next I'm gonna try somedifferent nut milks.
I'm gonna try pecan, pecan,whatever.

(52:08):
I don't give a shit.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Whatever I say, people get mad you know, if, uh,
if the shop doesn't go away, wereally need to link you at your
uh tiktok to the in moderationshop you could be selling right,
right.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
And then I get my views boosted because whatever
has a yeah, exactly exactly so.
Whenever I talk about somethingimportant that I know won't get
a lot of views, I'm like howfuckers, I got you?
I'm just gonna link, like ashirt that will make tiktok push
this more so you get thisimportant information.
Gotcha Gaming the system.
Yeah, that's going away in fivedays.

(52:44):
Okay, Well, other than that,like what's your top three diet
hacks?
Just top three diet hacks.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
I want easy how to make my life improve just like,
without barely having to doanything.
Is one of them going to be eatmore fruit and vegetable?

Speaker 3 (52:59):
Oh God, yeah.
And one sentence do anything.
Is one of them going to be eatmore fruit and vegetable?
Oh God, yeah.
And one sentence.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
please, Only one sentence.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
One sentence, all right.
So the popular ones right nowthat everyone wants are never
eat breakfast, cut all your seedoils and never eat sugar again,
because that's a very practicalway of going through life
Exactly and do that for the restof your life.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Those are the three, those are the hacks we're
fighting a war against I don'teven know what anymore.
We're fighting war against alot of things is the problem.
It's just like a lot of.
It's just a lot of differentthings coming together.
It's a little bit everything.
Like you said, people alreadykind of feel like they know
their body.
Plus you have all these peopleselling things, plus you have a

(53:34):
ton of information out there sopeople don't know what to
believe and plus we've alreadygot like ish, like I mean, it's
thank you.
It's really tough, like I, Ireally feel for so many people,
especially like they're tryingto lose weight, like your body,
their body, is fighting thewhole way.
For so many people they're justlike you know, they're just
genetic, genetics, wise they'vebeen, you know they're.

(53:55):
Maybe their hunger signaling ismore.
They're just more hungry allthe time.
I remember what was it?
Ben Carpenter was telling astory.
He was working.
He was like a family memberwho's like lost a ton of weight
and she said she's just starvingall the time.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
His sister Like her entire weight loss.
His sister, yeah.
His sister, yeah, that's whatit was and I was like man.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
I can't even imagine that starving and I know for so
many people they, that's whatthey.
They struggle with that and I Ireally feel for them and
someone who's like I I Istruggle putting on weight, like
I have trouble like eatingenough to, even if I'm trying to
like add muscle, I'm like man.
I got a another spoonful ofpeanut butter.
Are you fucking kidding me?
Right now I don't want to eatthis.
So like I, I really.
So that's why I try and be solike as sympathetic as I can and
try and teach other.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
We need to make some protein Starburst.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Protein Star.
I don't feel like they did.
Like, the whole thing aboutStarburst is they're juicy and
protein's like dense and hard,so I feel like those are two
polar opposites.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
Get on it, Liam, you can do it oh shit, hey Quest, he
knows what to do, right.
We'll just lie.
Why don't we just lie on thepackage?
There's just regular Starburst,but we just say there's like 50
grams of protein.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
I mean, with the supplement industry that is
legal, so go for it, oh man.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
So I will say that a lot of my favorite thing about
my job is that when people cometo see me these days, I have
been simplifying what they havebeen overthinking, and there is
this sense of relief when theyleave my office that I don't
have to keep worrying about allthese things.
I just have to add to what I'mdoing and that really makes my

(55:29):
job worthwhile is just helpingpeople feel more sane about this
stuff.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Because I, when I, you know, I meet people in
person, they say it feels socrazy, like it feels insane,
like everything, cause they haveall this, this stuff coming at
them.
So you're just like, oh, thisis it, like that's it.
And so, yeah, I get so manylike DMS were like, but how is
what about just eating healthy?
I'm like, I think, like youalready kind of know, like we
just have fruits, vegetables,nuts, seeds, legumes, really all

(56:01):
whole foods, just like wholefoods in general, like you know,
limit the added sugar, I don'tknow, like processed meats, and
you probably aren't the greatest, try and focus on whole plant
foods.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
There you go yep, there you go, and if you eat one
too many desserts, don't beatyourself up about it I'm
definitely gonna do that.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
fuck man, like he gets like a good, like flourless
, like chocolate cake orsomething.
It's so dense, it's just likebutter and sugar.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
There's no flour in it.
Man, you need to tell Liamabout your ice cream.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
Ice cream.
So my husband got a workpresent, but instead of cash,
like a rational person, whatthey sent him in the mail was 12
pints of ice cream from fromGraders.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Graders no, Graders is good.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
Yeah, so we got 12 pints all different flavors.
I got home and saw this packageand texted my husband like what
did you do?
And he's like I didn't doanything.
What do you mean?
And I'm unpacking this and I'mlike there were six when I
opened it and I lifted one upand I'm like there's 12 in it.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
just it felt like in an unsettling amount of ice
cream, the freezer space for 12pints.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
We have a basement freezer so they are all lined up
, but it is.
It is a psychotic amount of icecream that neither of us wants
to finish it lasts basicallyforever.
You know, you just eat it whenyou need to said that they have
not finished last year's icecream yet, and so they're
getting another pad that we'rein for a lot for the next couple

(57:31):
years.
What's?
The best ice cream flavor I'mreally into the eggnog, which
was a seasonal flavor egg nogyeah, like it's.
They put extra eggs in it, soit's like really rich that egg,
yolkiness, uh, and then they puta bunch of nutmeg in it and it
actually tastes like really goodegg nog not the stuff you buy
in the store, but like I'm inthe habit of making my own egg

(57:53):
nog because it's family reciperaw eggs, a whole and then like
copious amounts of alcohol.
This tastes like that, but it'snot alcoholic, so I was very
impressed with that I'm gonnatake your word on it, because I
don't, I'm not in.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
I'm not in on eggnog ice cream.
I, that's, that's, I've, I've,I don't know about.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
Yeah, I'm still a little dumbfounded about getting
hit with that think of like areally rich custard and then
have like a nice nutmeggy flavorto it and cinnamon, and that's
what it tastes like I go with aclassic, my classic, ben and
jerry's americone dream oh, thatis great.
My downfall was always chubbyhubby when I was in high school,

(58:34):
that's the chocolate coveredpretzels okay, yeah, pret, yeah,
pretzels that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Pretzels like American dreams got in there,
like I like pretzels and wafflecone pieces in there, delicious.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Do you think Paul Saladino makes full testicle ice
cream?

Speaker 2 (58:49):
I'm sure he makes something and calls it ice cream
, but I'm I'm also certain, it'snot ice cream.
Did you see his peanut butterand jelly?
Recently?
I have, okay, get this okay.
So you have a steak right andthen you have another steak, and
then you have a third steak andyou stack them and that's his
peanut butter and jelly that'ssteak and now it's because now

(59:10):
he's just trolling, because nowhe's literally just like he did,
like the, the, you, youremember the, the, the squash,
that was like animal based pastawhich was just a squash.
Now he's just fucking trollingus.
He's like here's our, my peanutbutter and jelly.
It's the best peanut butter andjelly ever.
It's three steaks.
I'm like, that's fucking threesteaks, like oh yeah.
So I'm sure he made somethingthat he called ice cream, but,

(59:32):
um, it would not be he, I can'timagine.
He's a very happy person I don'tknow, man, I'm gonna stick with
eating a real peanut butter andjelly.
Bro, peanut butter jelly getslike I've talked about it so
many times.
I'm like that that you see the.
Uh, there's a university ofmichigan study that looked at,
like all these different foods,how much time to take away or
add to your life.
Yeah sure, is it perfectlyaccurate?
Maybe not, but like I like thatpeanut butter jelly was the

(59:54):
food that added the most time toyour life.
So I will continue to say thatand keep eating my peanut butter
and jellies.
Man, peanut happiness factor,yes, and just peanut man.
Like I, before I left for cositoday, I just ate peanut butter
out of the jar with a spoon, youtell me.
I tell me it's complicated.
No, I had dates and I hadpeanut butter out of the jar
with a spoon.
That is what I ate.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
That was my meal you had fiber from the dates and you
had protein from the peanutbutter.
You You're good to go.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Yeah, but dates and peanut butter has fiber too, and
you know getting healthy fats.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Mono and polyunsaturated fats.
Fats are satiating.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Fats, absolutely, and so I'm good to go Like
literally, just a few medjooldates and spoonfuls of peanut
butter, I'm all set.
That's it.
See, not that complicated.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
That's it, see, not that complicated.
The one thing I want to getacross to people is you should
like the food you eat.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Yes, and if you like eating peanut butter out of the
jar, eat peanut butter out ofthe jar.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
Yeah, Don't eat the whole jar though.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
Try not to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
I've eaten most of a jar of peanut butter, like I
don't think I've just sit therewith a spoon and keep going
until, like you know, it's it'slike two-thirds of the way gone.
It's like 2 000 calories worthof peanut butter and I just mad
like it's so good.
I don't do that.

(01:01:09):
I try not to do that as muchanymore, though, but, like you
know, that's what I say.
For me, like a gaining weight,it's so tough.
Like I literally need to, likeyou know, eat spoonfuls of
peanut butter and, and, you know, like whatever, I don't know,
just like anything else, I canget in it's, it's, it's tough.
All that ranting costs a lot ofenergy I'm busy and I tell you,
I burn calories, just fuckinglike you do, you know just, you

(01:01:31):
see me like it's, it's, it's,it's, it's wild, but like it
works.
Hey, fucking long as it works,that's all that really matters.
Uh, anything else, anythingelse you want to tell me before
we leave, otherwise I'm justgonna keep ranting because I
gotta go do shit and go back Ilike your ranting please other
people apparently do, and that'swhy I built up a social media
fall.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
I don't fucking get it, but it doesn't matter, it
works rob, you look like you'rejust slowly drifting off screen
slowly, just kind of going offto the side.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
Getting more and more of a tilt to me.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
There you go, a distinguished tilt.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
We're all very tired.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Yeah, I had Sagey here all weekend and that was.
I mean, you have a teenage girlin the house with boundless
energy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Don't mind me when did those come from?

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
I looked away for two seconds.
It's fine, I just have broiland and seltzers and bubbly.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
They didn't have anything but bubbly at sam's
club.
Are you fucking kidding me,sam's club?
Where's my waterloo?

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
that is a better seltzer than bubbly, but
whatever, that's what they hadfriend of mine and I have a joke
that if we're at like sam'sclub or costco buying waterloo,
we have to call each other up orleave a voice text that goes
Waterloo Like the ABBA song.
That is our thing for Waterloothe.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
ABBA song.
That is our love of Waterloo.
There's an ABBA song aboutWaterloo.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
Yeah, there's an ABBA song called Waterloo.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Oh shit.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
There is.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
I'm learning things.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Apparently Liam's not old enough.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
I feel like I'm on TikTok.
I feel like I'm too old Shitman.
I'm the old man, All thesefucking kids.
Now I go to Red Note.
I'm too old and too white.
Everything's in fuckingMandarin.
I didn't take enough Mandarinin high school to fucking
understand what's going on.
I pick out a few things I don'tknow.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
I learned enough Mandarin to say I'm American,
which I think kind of doesn'teven need to be said.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Wash your magoa red.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
Yep, but I think they can kind of guess that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
Okay, well, until next time, everybody, don't be
your worst.
Maybe don't finish the wholejar of peanut butter, but
definitely have some.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
Maybe Jen should tell us where to find her.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Oh yeah.
So if you are ever interested,I am JSRockRD on TikTok for the
next four days and beyond.
I'm also JenniferRockMSRD onYouTube.
I am JSRockRD on Instagram, Iam JenniferRockMSRD on Facebook
and, if you would like to see mywebsite, I am jrockrdcom.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
She got the dot com.
We have to sit over here withthe dot net because we fucking
suck balls, they wouldn't answerus, yeah I tried.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
I tried to buy in moderationcom, but no, the guy
wouldn't get back to me oh wegot fucking dot net like um
schlubs.
I don't think I follow you oninstagram.
How many followers do you haveon instagram?

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
uh, very sad amount I am.
I'm a baby.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Social media that's actually something.
Um, there was a video goingaround recently about a guy, a
podcaster, and he he said thathe will book somebody who talks
about a subject in a certain wayon one month and then a month
later he will book somebody elsethat counters that topic or

(01:04:37):
something that it creates like acontroversy.
And every once in a while, uh,people will ask me, especially
when I bring on smaller creators, they'll, they'll be like why
aren't you bringing on so and sobecause they're huge, you know,
and stuff like that.
I'm like I don't want to bringon people just for the clout,
because they're big.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
I want to bring on quality creators we're not
fucking great to set, you knowshit like we're not just clout
chasing yeah, and I would muchrather bring on a good creator
that doesn't have a followingbut deserves a following, like
jen.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
then some crazy person with five million
followers that isn't even isn'teven going to talk about
anything, good, Exactly so.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
next week people stay tuned for Liver King, when we
have them all.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
Oh no.