Faux Pie and Soulless Food: A Diet That Doesn't Suck with The Redhead RD

What if everything you believe about nutrition is actually making eating harder than it needs to be? In this refreshingly honest conversation with dietitian Jesse (The Redhead RD), we explore how overcomplicating food choices leads to anxiety, restriction, and broken relationships with eating.

Jesse breaks down why her counseling approach rarely involves complex nutrition science and instead focuses on helping people overcome their fear of food. She explains how many clients come to her not with questions about nutrients or "chemicals," but with deep psychological barriers around permission to eat. Through practical examples and personal stories, we unpack how diet culture has created impossible standards that leave people feeling perpetually inadequate.

The conversation takes a powerful turn when discussing children's relationships with food. Jesse challenges common parenting approaches like labeling certain items as "sometimes foods" or restricting treats, revealing how these well-intentioned strategies often backfire. "Kids are smart—adults make them dumb," she explains, advocating instead for balanced options without judgment or shame. Her approach focuses on teaching children to trust their bodies rather than external rules.

We also tackle the world of nutrition influencers, examining how social media rewards oversimplification and absolutism while punishing the nuanced "it depends" answers that actual experts provide. From mushroom supplements to seed oil panic, we dissect why simple, often fear-based messages spread faster than balanced nutrition advice.

Whether you're struggling with your own food choices or raising children in a world of conflicting nutrition information, this episode offers a refreshing permission slip to make eating simpler. Sometimes, as Jesse reminds us, "good enough" is genuinely good enough.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to In Moderation.
Liam, specifically welcome backbecause you missed last episode
.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Yeah, I've missed a lot of things.
I've missed a lot of things.
I'm just trying to get readyfor this trip going on, and I am
not ready at all, but it's allfine, you'll just have to buy
all your stuff while you'rethere.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Yeah, I'm going to buy a lot.
Just buy the suitcase whileyou're there.
Don't even take a suitcase.
Buy it while you're there.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Listen, as long as the three of us go, it's fine.
My dad's coming to.
He lives in Albany.
He's going to drive two hours.
I'll just have him bringwhatever we need.
It's fine.
What are parents?
For besides doing everythingyou want of them.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Well, now that you're back, we've got Jessie on here.
Hi, she's a dietician.
Yeah, I'll let you introduceyourself.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
I like she said yeah, Let me just confirm that.
Yeah, I am Rob.
I am.
You're doubting me, Jesus?
Oh, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
How could I ever doubt you?

Speaker 3 (00:53):
We're gingers, we can't doubt.
Did you know we're black?
Yeah, the black.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Oh, can we talk about the black thing for?

Speaker 3 (00:59):
the next hour.
I'm totally cool with that.
That's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Go ahead, go go go, go.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
I just I'm having a hard time Like I'm going to.
I'm going to get cancelled forthis if I was black.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
I'd be like no.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
No, they're not Like we've been made fun of, but like
shit.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Oh, black it's.
Listen, what I'm going to sayis Like it's so funny this, like
this interaction that's beengoing on, because, like the, the
way gingers have handled it allthe black people are like we're
glad we made you black, you,you've been doing it right, and
it's like just awesome.
They're like here's let meintroduce myself, and here's my
spice cabinet, and they havelike all the spices and
everything.

(01:36):
I'm like this is awesome.
I love this interaction.
I have something in the oven.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Hold on, I'll be right back unfortunately uh, the
way I've heard it, we'veactually it did.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Um, the trend's actually been canceled because
of a redhead that dug right intoall of the the bad stereotypes,
because, of course, somebodyhad to go ruin it right
obviously yeah, obviously yeahbut it was a really cute
interaction, I mean, and likeCleveland is a pretty amazing

(02:09):
melting pot, so like I grew upin Cincinnati and if somebody
said the street that they livedon, you knew you know the
demographic, whereas here it'sso mixed that you really it's
not as segregated, and so it'sbeen kind of cute the
interactions that I've had withmy not as segregated and and so
it's been kind of cute theinteractions that I've had with
my neighbors with this and thatabout it.

(02:29):
But no, I didn't know it gotcanceled already.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
That's unfortunate yeah, because somebody had to go
be racist.
Fuck figures.
It's not ready yet everything'scanceled.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, yeah, I know it's crazy, right?
Oh, that thing that gotcanceled.
That sucks.
I hate that so much.
Such a bummer yeah, did you?

Speaker 1 (02:46):
did you actually get to introduce yourself or did we
just immediately?

Speaker 2 (02:49):
segue ignore that.
We went to the ginger thing.
I want to talk more about that,but go ahead nobody cares about
us anyway.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yeah, no, I'm a dietician in cleveland, um, I
went back to school later inlife and I was telling rob,
before we all even signed on, Ihad forgotten so much chemistry
because it's just like not partof how I deal with my clients.
You know it's all mental andyou know it's interesting,
because none of that like wasreally even taught.
So a lot of my counseling isjust from living and getting

(03:22):
older.
Do you know what I mean?
Like a lot of my stuff reallyisn't from school, um, but
regardless, dietitian, seeclients whatever I don't make,
eat better.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, maybe they be happy, who knows?

Speaker 2 (03:38):
yeah, here's my main question what do gingers eat to
eat healthy?
What's the difference betweenlike gingers and like the rest
of us people with souls?

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Like, is there a?

Speaker 2 (03:46):
soulless diet.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
What, yeah, what is the soulless diet?

Speaker 2 (03:52):
That's what I want to know.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
It's the type that you cook anything and give a
fuck what members think about it.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
I kind of like that I can hop on.
I'm not surprised I'm on boardwith the soulless diet.
I mean it seems that I likethat.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
That sounds good yeah , it's the I.
I don't give a fuck that.
It's tough, tough titties foryou dad it's eat it or you.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Nobody got time for that diet.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Nobody I made uh, I posted a video yesterday with
like uh, uh, like smash broccoli, where you're like, oh, you got
to put the little, you got tosplooge your oil down and then
you put your seasoning and thenyour cheese and then you smash
your broccoli and then you putyour seasoning and then you put
your cheese and then you likeput it in the oven.
And I was like you know what?
This is cool, but it's just toomuch work for me.
I'm not going to make it on aregular basis.

(04:38):
That sounds like too much work.
Just's just cooking and I'mlike a fucking beef.
Wellington is just cooking, butI ain't making that shit like.
This is a side.
You know what my meals involvea can of beans and the microwave
.
That is my ideal for a meal,let alone a goddamn side dish
that I have to have like 13steps involved.

(04:59):
Get out of here with it and itdoesn't store?
No, I have to eat them all atonce.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
No, thank you liam's so lazy that he leaves the can
the beans in the can, in themicrowave I'm so lazy, I order
sous vide stuff so I can justheat it up there you go, there's
, there's thinking, they'rethinking yeah, there was a video
that I got tagged recently Iwas gonna do something with.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
He's like here's what I do when I'm feeling too lazy
to cook and he just opens upto-go boxes that he got from
somewhere and I'm like that'sthe fucking guy that gets it
right there.
That I love, because it'salways just like here, here's
what I do and I don't feel likecooking and the first thing they
do is chop an onion and pullout lemongrass.
Like what do you?
Who are you talking to?
What is this right so like I?

(05:41):
Just I just order some Chinesefood.
Boom Done.
That's too lazy, yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
No, I always order like if it's a Friday and we're
ordering, and I always orderlike something from that place
for lunch for the next daybecause I know I'm not cooking
on a.
Saturday afternoon it's notgoing to happen.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
I like that.
I like the idea of orderingextra, like order your dinner
and then order your like, likelunch or something tomorrow.
Think ahead, yeah, that's good.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Gotta think ahead.
What do you okay?
What do you order?

Speaker 2 (06:10):
What are you ordering like that night and then the
next day to make sure it's likestill good, because a lot of
shit like the next day it'sawful.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Oh see, I'm a leftover girl, right, so I know
all the the tricks, right?
So, like pizza leftover, youhave to heat the the oven up and
put the pan in first, right,you have to make it crispy on
the bottom, so as we, so I.
And then anything mixed in witheggs is always good.
So leftover queen here, yeahinteresting you got to repurpose

(06:37):
it.
You can't just reheat it upfrom scratch yeah, I'm gonna be
like.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
I am to the point where, like I I'm like sitting
there with my leftover pizza.
I'm like I know I should throwthis in the air fryer, beep boop
, boop, microwave 30 seconds.
Is it as good?
Fuck, no, it's terrible, butit's still food and sustenance
and it got me going.
Oh, it's all.
It's way worse.
It's not good.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
I'm sitting isn't good, but I need to just keep
going like I have stuff to do.
Yeah, yeah, I would rather eatcold ass pizza than kill it in a
microwave any day, oh that's agood question, because cold
pizza is still pretty good.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
So a lot of times I do just eat it cold and I'm
sitting there like which one'sworse because neither of them
are good.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
But I gotta do one of them because I'm not like the
crust on the microwave pizza allgummy oh yeah, no, it's
definitely.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
You don't remember the fucking lunchables where you
make your own like little tinylunchable and it was just like a
piece of cardboard they put inthere with like some ketchup and
you're like, all right, awesome, oh, that's kind of what it
feels like.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
That's kind of what it feels like you know, I grew
up I was not allowed to have alunchable.
To this day I'm almost 45 neverhad a lunchable.
I mean you're not missing outon my kids my kids, yeah, and I
just have them, leave me aloneyeah, oh yeah, oakley's a year
and a half old she's walkingaround with funyuns yesterday.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
I'm just like you know, she's got her berries.
She's got her like she lovesavocado.
She wants some funyuns here.
Walk around, kid, just give mea, give me a moment.
I gotta.
I gotta like I'm at the grocerystore trying to pick things out
and I'm like here's yourfunyuns.
She's like she's all likehappiest kid in the world oh,
yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
But if you were to say that to somebody else, they
would have a panic attack.
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (08:20):
because they would only think that's all you give
her I know the fucking crunchycommunity just drives me so
crazy.
Fuck, it's just, it's too much,I don't even want to.
I don't even want to like wastespace on it, because it's just.
I don't even really talk aboutit any too much anymore because
it's just exhausting, like, ohmy god, I can't, I don't even, I
don't even want to talk I don'twant to think about it let

(08:41):
alone live live that life.
No, thank you.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yeah, I never was scared about chemicals.
I was just scared of being, youknow, gaining weight, you know
like.
I knew enough to know that likechemicals weren't going to be
the problem, it was justcalories and people are just.
I had people like chemicals arenot killing people, it's just.
It's just, but it's exhausting.

(09:05):
I just don't care to do thatanymore because it's such an
uphill battle because of beliefsystems and you can't argue
belief systems.
It's like arguing religion.
You can't do it.
What do you?

Speaker 2 (09:18):
do, then If you get someone like a client or
something, that's just like I'mworried about all this stuff
they're putting in our food.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
I think we just need to get everybody on board with
the soulless diet.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Yeah, the soulless diet.
Rfk tells me there's fluoridein the water.
I think we could sell it.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
It'd be like did we?
I think we lost Liam.
She's stuck on your end.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
And like we got a reverse osmosis shit.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
What do you tell?

Speaker 2 (09:45):
them.
I think we lost you for a hotminute, oh God damn.
And then all of a suddenosmosis.
First osmosis the water,because there's fluoride.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
So you blacked out for like a good portion, and all
I heard was something aboutchloride.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Okay, okay, listen listen.
Can we hear?

Speaker 3 (10:00):
me now.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Is it possible?
Fluoride is in our water andRFK is our government guy who's
telling us that it's calcifyingour pineal gland and we need to
get rid of it?
What if client come, you say,hey, I worried what you do,
there we go.
How's that?
I think Liam thinks theinternet works better.

(10:24):
If you shout louder, yeah, youyell at it.
It's just like if you don'tspeak the same language as
someone, you just yell yourlanguage louder.
That's how they understand you.
Or if someone's deaf, you justscream.
This is how it works?

Speaker 3 (10:37):
I mean, are you really asking me that question?
Because my clients aren'tworried about fluoride, they're
worried about gaining weight.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
So you don't get that too often.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
That's nice, that's actually surprisingly, I really
don't get a lot of um, like Isaid, chemistry, like questions,
because most of my influx iscoming from people who are just
scared to eat anything.
So I'm dealing with, like thatcrowd, men and women, uh alike,
but from a flora, you know, Ijust it's so dumb to me that I

(11:08):
can't even answer the question.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Do you know what I mean?
Like it's just.
No, I don't.
No one knows what you mean morethan these two fucking people
who have been doing this foryears.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Trust us so what do you do?
What do you do?

Speaker 2 (11:17):
when what people come with you with, like you know,
concerns about weight, then likewhat do you, what are your
general tips and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
I I mean, I don't do tips.
Well, my favorite question isto ask people like what about
fat people like freaks you outDo?

Speaker 1 (11:32):
you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
And then we get like a nice list of all the things
that they have projected uponthemselves, and that's where we
start.
You know, it's usually theythink they're lazy and so it
always comes up.
It's like always stigma, okay.
And then we just kind of breakdown that you know, small people
are these things too um so ityou know, and then we just kind

(11:53):
of talk, but a lot of weliterally just talked about how
lazy liam was fuck, holy shit.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah, I could eat like total shit.
Never do cardio and people likehe's healthy because he looks
fit.
That's pretty much.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
That's pretty much how it always go I was 90 pounds
, eating a thousand calories andpeople.
I was so oh god right.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Isn't that the craziest thing?
They're like good job you'redoing great.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
What do?

Speaker 3 (12:18):
I have to do to be like you and you're like, oh god
let me lie real quick.
I was in the hospital fortachycardia.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Oh, I was in hospital on all occasions, but I looked
fine God.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, that's a thing, man.
Yeah, I got to check on myshepherd's pie, hold on.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Shepherd's pie.
He's making a shepherd's pie.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
He's making a shepherd's pie.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
But didn't he say he was lazy?
I feel like.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah, those two things don't go together, do
they.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
I'm very confused Now I need to know if it was.
The question is is?

Speaker 1 (12:45):
it shepherd's pie, or is it cottage pie?

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Well, I don't know what the difference is, but I
want to know if it was made fromscratch or he just popped it in
like a Marie Callender thing.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
We have so many questions to interview Liam with
when he comes back.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
I don't think I've ever had shepherd's pie either.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
I've tried it.
I'm not a big fan of it.
I'm not a big fan of like,mixing a lot of things together.
No, keep them separate.
All those things separate.
I'm happy with so liam is it?
Is it shepherd's pie or is itcottage pie?

Speaker 2 (13:17):
yeah, so that's what part of the whole video is.
He calls it a shepherd's pie,but it's not a shepherd's pie,
it's a cottage pie and I'm gonnasay it pisses people off by
because I use beyond meat, soit's gonna be a whole thing oh
okay, I got it all figured out.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
So it's not even cottage pie, it's beyond pie
yeah, I, I'm gonna.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
There's a name, I gotta come up with a name.
It's a piss off pie, I don'tknow.
I'm gonna come up withsomething, don't worry about it.
But yeah, he calls it.
But he also says tortillas inin the video and of course
that's all the comments aretalking about and my whole thing
.
My bit is going to be like wheredoes that fall on the
engagement bait?
Because obviously it's not likeRick's, like Tziki he
pronounced it like Tzik Tzay orsomething like crazy but like

(13:57):
it's going to be worse than likepecan or pecan, you know,
because that's just like aregional thing.
So, where does like and I havea whole, like big list of them.
You know what they say is itafter Reese's, before Reese's?
Like, where does it fall thatwhole thing?
But yeah, you guys ever see avideo on the, on the, on the,
that like looks good when theymake it and then you make it and
it looks like a dog pooped onanother turd.
Yes, yeah, yeah, that's why itseems like it happens often.

(14:21):
I'm just like, well, that'sfucking not right.
Oh well, but I think that'skind of what people like about
my recipe reviews.
They're like, hey, liam fucksthings up all the time, because
I'm going to do that too.
That's exactly what's going tohappen to me.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, presentation is not my forte.
It tastes good.
Who gives a shit Right?

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Like who cares if it looks good?
The People like making therecipe for the video to, like,
you know, get other people tomake it, because then they're
more likely to make it.
Those are like the only peoplethat should care.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah, I've actually like I'm actually a pretty good
cook and I've done pretty goodwith presentation and when I go
to do the recipe videos, Ispecifically go into them
thinking, ok, don't do all thefancy cooking and all the
presentation stuff, cook like anormal person.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yeah right, like be fucking normal, be you know.
Be a normal person or be asoulless ginger, or be whatever
you want to be.
Just don't be that person who'slike having to make everything
look perfect, because that'shell.
No, hell, no.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
No, so there was a chick who was probably one of
the reasons I started posting inthe first place.
We're not going to go into it,but you know she's like on top
of your busy day as a mom.
Presentation is super important.
Oh, fuck off.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Straight up like fuck off immediately.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
So every time I post a picture of my food, I'm like
still working on my presentation.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Fuck off God.
If I ever lived in that world,I wouldn't make.
I would be addicted to everyover-the-counter medicine, from
fucking Flonase to NyQuil.
It doesn't matter.
That's the only way I could getthrough.
Life is numb.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Uh, yeah, well, now Rob you know why, All right let
me check my piss-off pies.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Hold on Piss-off pies .

Speaker 3 (16:02):
That's uh.
I think you might need toworkshop that a little bit.
I don't like it.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
We need a carnivore thing in there, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Like a carnivore Crumb, the carnivore Like a pile
mine Carnivore.
Carnivore cottage pie.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
We'll definitely need to workshop that by the end of
the episode.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
Is this the quietest podcast you've had?
Well, it's definitely thepodcast that liam has ran away
from the most I'm starting toget a little bit because it's
not the first time I've runpeople, the soulless ginger and
all oh man, he's just that, likewe've been.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
We've just been both so busy with everything lately
yeah he's juggling so manythings.
That's okay in the meantime.
In the meantime, we can talkabout how awesome it is to be
soulless gingers yeah, so do youremember when south park came
out?

Speaker 3 (16:52):
yes and like the redhead, the jewish redhead,
right stan, right, yeah, yeah,that just one of the best
moments of my life, because Iwas talking about daywalkers and
gingers soulless daywalkers ohyeah, we good they're out and
they don't look absolutelyatrocious and I will take that

(17:15):
as a fucking win.
Let's go, it's we don't likethe name of your pie yeah, we're
gonna need to workshop.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Piss off by it's gotta be something about pissing
people off, because that's whatbeyond me does, holy shit,
carnivore cottage crumble orsomething but like no, it's,
it's a, it's a fake, it's aphone like it like fake cottage,
carnivore cottage I think he'sfrozen well, you guys have to

(17:43):
fucking go on without me, then,because I don't know what the
hell's going on my internet's.
Fine, damn it.
I promise I don't know.
Um no, because like it's, no,it's like a phone louder a faux
pie.
A faux pie like you know.
You say like something's fake.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
I was telling rob, you're running off, I'm getting
getting a complex.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
A complex Huh, what.
What does that mean?

Speaker 1 (18:04):
Perfect timing to say that, as he freezes up again.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Bro, my internet is fine.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
I got all the bars, every bar, okay, I don't know
this is going to be aninteresting episode.
Half of it's going to be Liamshouting his internet is fine.
And so does Ginger, and justlike that he disappears.
Okay well, I'm not sure ifwe're supposed to be waiting for
him or if we're supposed tocarry on without him.

(18:32):
This is a first.
Usually, it's my internetthat's fucking up.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
That's amazing.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know if we're supposed to keep
going or not.
Apparently, I can't pause therecording.
Well, now you're really goingto have a complex.
You're going to be the onlyperson to have killed Liam's
internet.
Yep, I feel like he threw hisphone out the window.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Okay, well, definitely a complex, for sure,
it's fine.
It's okay, I get reported allthe time.
Now, people are leaving me.
It's fine, I get reported.
So much, rob, it's not evenfunny.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Really.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
I get reported at least three times a week, really
yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah, and over anything in particular.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
Nope, it could be because I pissed somebody off,
it could be because they thinkit's an eating issue, which is,
you know, usually informationgiving, but I, like I'm shadow
banned all the time.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Jeez, yeah, it's so frustrating.
I don't think anybody.
Well, I feel like um gettingreported is probably worse for
women than men.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Yeah, like it's just stupid.
Do you want to?
Just let's see where this goes.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Okay, not, yeah, I noticed that um, a lot more of
my female friends, femaleacquaintance, you know all the
the females in the social mediastuff.
They always say they getreported and very rarely do I
see the men to say they getreported.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

(20:03):
I do get people that likethreaten to come and, uh, cut my
beard off, but they never showup.
That's so random.
I'm like look bro, my addressis public.
I'm a business, I have to havemy address and my phone number
publicly available.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
You know, come on threaten your dog, do they?
Do they say with what?
Like scissors or like a machete?

Speaker 1 (20:28):
no, they don't say with what they're just like.
I'm gonna cut your beard offlike bro.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
Come on, give me a reason to hit you I would just
ask what I really am curious now, like what would they use?
What would be okay, yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Next time next time I get threatened by that.
I will ask them could you?
What are you going to cut mybeard off with?

Speaker 3 (20:46):
What are you like?
Salad cutters?
You know, are we talking likenose trimmers, like what are we
using?

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Nose trimmers yes.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Welcome back, Liam.
I feel like the fucking Verizonguy.
Can you hear me now?
Am I here?
Well, you look clearer.
At least, I feel like the mostpeople that listen to our
podcasts are older, so, like youknow, they should get that
reference.
That should make sense to them.
I think so.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Yes, so, we were in the middle of saying that you
need to workshop your piss-offpie.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah, and I was trying to say things and you
couldn't hear me.
Okay, I was coming up withother ideas, Okay.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
And now they're lost to the void?

Speaker 2 (21:25):
No, they're still in my brain dum-dum, hold on.
So I think, like you know howpeople say like something's a
faux, this like it's a fake.
Or you say faux whatever, faux,you know, whatever it is, but
like a faux pie, faux pie.
Oh, faux pie, faux pie, fauxpie.
I think faux pie is pretty good, that's not bad.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Can we somehow get the Beyond Beef reference in
there?

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah, I don't.
I mean it's fake, so there'sthat, but I don't know how to
work it.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
It makes people upset , because that's pretty much
what A cottage faux pie ohcottage Cottage faux pie.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
No, I think, I just like, I I think, because like
faux pas, faux pie, I think Ithink faux pie is pretty good.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
I'm just saying I think that's the best way I got
so far oh, jesse's looking at uslike is this what you two
actually do on these things?

Speaker 2 (22:19):
I don't know what I do ever.
Man like it's just this get by,holy shit full disclosure.
I sweat pants on underneaththis oh no, I don't have a shirt
on.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
It's all fine, it's you know, and I have a sweater
on.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
We're all in different states of dress
whatever gets you by to the nextday.
Like that's the shit, that'sjust like all like you were
talking about.
Like oh, let me make sure Ilook good.
Like oh, get the fuck out ofhere, man.
Like this, this podcast is theexact antithesis of whatever
that is, you know, or it's justlike you know who was it?

Speaker 1 (22:50):
um, I don't remember one of our guests.
We were talking about, uh, adhdand stuff like that, and she
was saying, um, if it's too muchfor you to fold your laundry
and put it away, nicely, don'tfucking do it just don't do it
shit.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah, I'm far past that.
I mean, my house is just awreck.
If I have to film it, my ohyeah, we can see your laundry
there, there, there, oh yeahthat's yeah if I have to film at
my table, if there's justthings stacked just outside of
frame, there's like it'sliterally literally so high.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
My kids wrote something about.
I love my mom.
This was in school, but I wishshe would do the laundry.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
That's good.
That's why kids are great theydon't hold back.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
The best I can do is separate and put them into
baskets.
You're digging after that.
I can't deal with it, my momnever did my laundry.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
She always like you want clean clothes, fucking
clean them.
That was I.
Never got my clothes cleanedfor me.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
Oh, I, I did.
I was, I was a functional idiotin college.
I didn't know what I was doing.
I'm not raising my kids thatway.
I'll tell you that much.
But yeah, I can't.
Good enough.
Good enough when you have kids,it's good enough.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
I kind of want just that on a shirt.
We should put that on a shirt.
Just good enough.
It's fucking good, because whenI talk to people in person,
when they talk to me, I'm likethey're just like I'm glad you
keep it like realistic and Idon't have to like worry, I'm
just like that's what we need.
You know, people are just sofucking worried about this and
that, like you're good enough,it's it's, yeah, it's.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
It's a pain in the ass that social media is all the
best of the best, the worst ofthe worst.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Nothing's real well, the best of the best makes the
best looking content.
Do you know what I mean?
I mean it's it's cinema, it'sit's beautifully done, it's
curated.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
And people who live in like day to day want to see
that because they don't see itin their day to day.
Right, it's, it's different,you know, it's a life that they
don't ever get to be around.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
That's an interesting one because, like, people also
like to see the realistic stuff.
Like you've seen all the videos, people are like their life's a
mess.
They're like, hey, I'm justfucking getting by.
Like people like, yeah, I getthat, so like there is that.
But people also like to seethose.
You know what those morningroutines were before 7 am.
They've already done, likethey've already won a World Cup
and fucking I don't knowwhatever else, bought four

(25:19):
Lamborghinis Like.
So I guess, like it isdifferent, you want to see that.
But they also, like people,appreciate the realistic shit
too.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
It's.
The problem is they start tonormalize the best of the best.
It's like, and especially withlike body and stuff.
It's like now you have to havea shredded six pack to be
considered fit.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
I had some woman.
She DM me You're naturally verypretty and I was like I am not
natural baby doll, you know.
And not enough people aresaying you know, I've done work
to myself, I have done this,like you know.
I most influenced would havebeen like thank you so much,
it's so nice of you and I.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
It was my program to figure out how you can do it too
.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
Yeah, so there's just such a, but there's still an
element of even with the peoplewho are making the real day to
day reels there's.
They're still making it lookgood in a way, like there's
still you know.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
I mean, I don't make anything look good and I've done
pretty well, so I there's a,there's a market for it, you
know.
But there.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
But you have to understand there is an element
of bro in this community when itcomes to science and whatnot.
Do you know what I mean?
Like people are going to bemore inclined to listen to you
than a female.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
And that's just that's just like it is what it
is and that's fine.
What's he call it?
The Hank green effect.
He's seen, he's heard likeabout that.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
Oh, I know your job back yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
So the Hank.
So you know, have you watchedHank green?
Yeah, so whenever, like there'sa woman giving us talking about
a subject, anything to do withscience, just everyone tags Hank
Green, even if she's, like youknow, a specialist in her field.
They're like, hey, this guy,though, who doesn't specialize
in anything to do with this,let's have him back this up.

(27:17):
You know it's like hey, you are.
And I don't think all of themare doing it just because she's
a woman, right, like they justtrust Hank Green, right, them
are doing it just because she'sa woman, right, like they just
trust hank green, right?
They don't know this person,they know hank green, they trust
him.
So, like, I get that, but Ithink there is a little bit of
this.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Yeah, it's definitely more prevalent to find that on
female videos, right yeah, likeI like how hank green's just
like hey, she's the specialist,listen to her.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
no, I love his response to like yeah, she knows
what she's talking aboutbecause she's like, has four
PhDs in it and I don't have anyeducation in that field
whatsoever.
Right.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
Right.
I mean I don't know.
There's a really weird ivorytower effect to like.
I worked in the government fora few years.
I never, I don't ever want todo that again, especially now.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
No.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
Well, it really makes me sad because I know a lot of
my, because I worked in theDivision for Heart Disease and
Stroke Prevention, CDC, and likeI know a bunch of my peers.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Yeah, yeah, and it was all.
It's just so interestingbecause there's such a
disconnect between like researchand then how it's translated,
and then how people interpret it.
Yeah, like the you know.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
They interpret it.
Yeah, like the, you know likeinterpret it through what the
media often tells them.
And the media is obliged togive whatever will give the most
.
You know views, so they justclick Sure.
So that's kind of the issue.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
Well, that, and again , I think we talked about belief
systems.
So if they're going to listen,they're going to choose whatever
news that supports theirinherent already just as fact.
You know, and you said it's,it's just such a stupid uphill
battle because you can't argue astupid.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yeah, you can, but you kind of just drive yourself
crazy.
So I've completely given up onany of that.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
It's just yeah, I just do it if I'm really bored
and I like just feel like kindof poking, I'll do it, but it's
that's only if I I'm like reallybored I will if.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
If that stupid shows up in my comments, I'll usually
poke them to get more, moreresponses yeah get more
interaction and then it's justlike, okay, yeah, thanks for the
interaction, I'm done with youmy favorite was some guy was
like are you serious or are youtroll?

Speaker 3 (29:31):
he goes are you kidding me or are you trolling
me?

Speaker 2 (29:34):
and I'm like yeah, you get that either.
You'll get that a lot yeah,yeah, I just like to make I like
, I just like to make fun of it,like somebody left a comment on
my video that said Liam, you'rethe wrong, you're the one
that's completely misspelled,completely.
There's like no ease, I don'tknow how, completely clueless,

(29:56):
and so like I'll just like popthat up and be like listen, I
got a lot of haters.
Now Do they have a firm graspof the English language?
No, but they don't have a firmgrasp of a lot of things.
So it's really to be expectedand just be involved.
Like you know, just have funwith things Like what do you
think?

Speaker 3 (30:09):
Right, I mean as long as it's the fun.
I mean, when I first startedthis I was serious and I would
get like my blood pressure kindof.
Now it's yeah, it's more likecat and mouse, or are you just
like?

Speaker 2 (30:22):
it's normal, you get, you get used to it.
That's what I tell peoplestarting off, like they're like
what, what should?
I know?
I'm like you, just knoweveryone's gonna be well, not
everyone, but a lot of peopleare just gonna hate you, no
matter what you do, and you haveto just kind of get used to
that and it just takes time andbe okay, just blocking, like get
over your ego, you know,because like that's you got to
get over it really fast.
Yep, it's all fine.

(30:48):
This is the quietest podcast youguys have ever had.
I'm waiting to see if Rob issaying something.
He seems like he's gotsomething cooking, as he says.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
I mean you have to cook in Canada because
everything's frozen.
Yes, that's very true.
No, I've been struggling somuch with everything, so it's
like the brain's just kind ofslowly turning over still.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
I trust fucking man, I get it.
I don't know how I I even likeget through with the day-to-day
stuff, but you know you manageand like it's again just fucking
good enough man it's goodenough.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
It's okay, though, because we got a cat on screen
now this is mike the mowerstinky kitty.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
You just came out with the most bad shit name out
of nowhere wait this is whathappens when you let twin boys
name a cat.
Oh yeah, the kids right.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
So it goes by Mike at the vet.
It's a female, it's fine, it'sfine.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
My daughter can't really say any names.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
We don't shame anybody here for their name.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
She picks, like we have Max and we have all these
names that are easy to say.
She keeps trying to sayleonardo.
That's like her first name,that she's picked, and she can't
.
She only say a few words, butshe's trying to say leonardo.
So she just runs around justlike over and over, and we're
just like why did you be proud?
Of yourself too like she'sshe's super, she loves leonardo,

(32:02):
or like I don't.
I feel like you could havepicked one of the easier dogs,
but that's fine.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
That's fine.
Yeah, I don't know.
Kids are funny, they're funny.
Yeah, I don't know, they'rejust.
You know, twins, especiallyMine, are so different.
It's just like one wouldtotally mispronounce something
and you'd be like got it yeahthe other one would not

(32:29):
pronounce it until he got it youknow.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
And then he would say it perfectly interesting,
totally different, so crazy yeah, uh, I mean, we're we talk
about food sometimes on thispodcast, so like, what do you do
for?
What do you do for your kids?
Well, being a dietician, you'relike, oh, just eat whatever.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
Or like you actually try and give them like
occasionally nutritious things,I guess I mean like yeah,
there's days where I'm just likefuck off, Like figure it out,
you know, like go make asandwich.
Yeah, like, especially if I'vealready cooked something that
they're well-versed in.

(33:09):
Like I won't cook somethingthat I know, um, they don't like
, cause that's just fucking rude.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Um, so we'll usually just, I think a lot of parents
will just do that, thoughthey're like I'm going to be
fucking rude and you're justgoing to eat it, or not?

Speaker 3 (33:17):
Yeah, and I just, I just think that's so rude
because, like, what if youdidn't want it?
You know, like, and so we'lltry to balance it out as much as
we can.
But there's days where theydon't want it.
I am not fighting, I'm notfighting, I'm done fighting.
So we try to balance it out asmuch as possible.
But I'm not talking to themabout calories per se.

(33:40):
I'll say something has a lot ofenergy, you know, one of them
is overweight.
One of them is overweight Oneof them is not.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
I've seen a lot of parents talk about how like, say
the terms like here are alwaysfoods, or sometimes foods and.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
I kind of like that.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Yeah, I agree with that, do you?
You don't like that, or you dolike that.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
I hate it.
You hate that Interesting.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Okay.
Why do you hate that?

Speaker 3 (34:01):
Because so you know, here's my thing If you that's
kind of like a cheat meal, sortof saying like it's already like
a planned binge in a way, soyou're kind of teaching them
like you have to do all of thisstuff and then you can have your
cheat ice cream on Fridaybecause it's a sometimes thing.

(34:21):
And so what I'd rather somebodyteach their kid is how to eat
balanced meals you know, honortheir fullness sort of thing,
and then when they're like inthe mood for a sweet treat, then
they honor that craving.
But the hope is that you'rebalancing their foods enough
that the cravings aren't all thetime right.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
So what do you do then?
If they want something like,you know, candy or whatever, and
it's not really like a goodtime for that they've already
had some, or you know it's timefor they should eat some more
nutritious foods Like how do youtell them that?
Like, maybe this isn't the timefor that, you know?

Speaker 3 (34:53):
that takes practice, because you'll eventually get to
the point where the kids know,okay, like, but I really kind of
do free range candy and if Icould get up I would show you
there's still a basket of candyfrom Easter.
Okay, that has, it's in theireyesight.
So I really I don't micro theirstuff because they by and large

(35:17):
know, like, okay, well, I'mgonna do, do this, but I know I
have to have this as well, orthey'll eat their food first.
So it really just depends, um,but I I don't micromanage,
because then that's where thehiding of the candy comes and
and you know it, the emphasis isbeyond the fucking candy.
It should be on eating foods,and if you bring that candy in

(35:37):
with the balanced plate of food,you're just showing it's just
like another thing right, I likethat.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
See, that's what I do .
Often it's like, hey, you likeshe loves strawberries and
avocados and all that shit, likeshe loves hummus, she'll just
eat hummus.
I'm like, sure, great, awesome,um, and so, like I'll give her
other things too, like funyas orwhatever it is.
But sometimes, yeah, she's justall about, like you know,
doritos and stuff.
I'm like, okay, like you know,this is a little much.
All right, you probablyshouldn't be eating this many

(36:01):
doritos now, let's try and getsomething else.
So I'm trying to just likedirect her, because she can't
really talk at this age, butlike, right, when she's older,
and having that sort ofdiscussion with her, you know,
it's kind of I'm not exactlysure like what's the best way to
do it.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
I've seen, I've heard , so I would yeah go ahead like
for me, you, I would think backand go OK, like how long has it
been since she's had somethingto eat?

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Right.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
There are energy users at this age.
They're running around likecrazy.
Is she going for the carbs?
Because they're digestingquickly and she needs that
energy.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
OK.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
And then you just say , hey, let's add some
strawberries with this and let'ssit down and make a plate.
Ok, do you know?

Speaker 1 (36:37):
what I'm saying.
I like that a plate.
Do you know what I'm?

Speaker 3 (36:38):
saying and kind of, because you know you have chips
in your hand, you're going toeat them, like that's human.
So if we center it around likethis is a nice balanced snack on
a plate, here's how to kind oftake a few handfuls of this and
a little this and eyeball it,but always in abundance.
I would rather them have morefood on their plate so that they

(37:00):
can learn how to be full rightversus wanting, being ashamed to
have to ask for more, because alot of parents will say you've
already had.
And again, how rude is that?
It's so rude, right, liketelling a kid that they're full.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
No, I, I get that but like obviously you don't want
them to be eating like all candy, all these things and like you
know, those things tastedelicious, right?
So kids are gonna want them sothis is again.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
You have it in eyesight, in in the pantry, but
you're you're the driver ofoffering them the balanced meals
right so that in between, ifthey want it, they've already
had their bounce and you maynotice that they may not even go
for it because they've had abalanced plate and so they're

(37:52):
not right.
You know what I mean?
Because that's where the andagain, that's where people are
like oh, my kids are alwayscraving sweets, are always
craving carbs, because they'rebundles of energy.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Right.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
They don't really love protein at that age either,
because it takes too long tochew and it's hard and it's you
know whatnot with their teeth,so they're going to go for
things that digest quickly, it'snormal Oakley likes Quest chips
.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
I've learned that you don't need Quest chips.
You don't need quest chips youdon't need these, I want the
quest chips I know, I know likeshe's like she loves all these
protein things like you don'tneed here, have some.
You have some yelp, like comeon, what do you?

Speaker 1 (38:28):
you don't need this right but really she has to pick
the expensive things.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
I I do want to say, though at the end of the day you
don't, you're still a parent.
You know what I mean.
We don't want our kids to binge, but there have been times
where I have said, sure, knowingthat they're going to fucking
puke or have the worst diarrhea,and then they learn from it,
and then they never did it againand I'm okay with that.
I am a fuck around, find outtype of person.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Oh I like that for kids, like that happened, my
that with me.
We're like, yeah, no, go dothat thing.
How'd that go really shitty?
Yeah, you could do it again.
No, okay, like I kind of I do.
I like that approach becauseyou, you like, um, there's a
song um, by like faces.
It's like you know the song.

(39:12):
I wish that I knew what I knownow, when I was young, you know
that song like it's a great song, but there's a line in that's
like my favorite line of anysong that goes poor young
grandson, grandson, there'snothing I could say.
You'll have to learn, just likeme, and that's the hardest way.
And so you want to teach themby telling them.
But you're like nah, that shitain't going to work.
Like they got to do it and theygot to figure out it's a bad
idea on their own.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Yeah, yeah, and that's fine.
And then they'll eventuallylearn to not do it for the now.
But how am I going to feel inan hour from now?
How am I going to feel tomorrow?
And then we start kind ofcurbing because a lot of you
know, food can make you feelgood and it can make you feel
bad.
So hopefully, once that personis on the right path of eating

(39:55):
balanced and whatnot, that theystart realizing that that is
what's making them feel good.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Right, and I think this is kind of the same with
adults, right, they're like why,why did you start eating
healthier?
Like damn, I started feelingbetter, I had more energy, I
didn't feel like shit and likeyou know all that sort of stuff.
I think it's kind of the thesame.
You try and just usher that infor for the children because,
like you know, they need, theykind of need that direction.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
Kids are smart adults make kids dumb.
You, you know, like I thinkkids are super, duper smart, and
then we wind up again puttingin our belief systems, things
that we learned about eatingfrom our parents, which I
guarantee is fucked up and um,you know.
So if people need to starttreating kids like they're
little tiny people, they're not.

(40:37):
You know, even your Oakley likeshe's not dumb, she just can't
talk yet.
But we instill, like our eatingpatterns of things like, you
know, taking chips away or notnecessarily bouncing out, and
that's such a dichotomous way ofthinking that we've all been
raised with it.
You can either have this orthat, we'll have fucking both
and make it on a plate, and butwe it's very hard to think like

(41:01):
that, cause we're always on thego.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Also the also that.
So that's why I grabbed herdum-dums.
I like getting her dum-dumscause they're like 20 calories
or whatever.
And she was like.
She never even finishes them.
She's always like I'm or Sam'sClub, like a pack of a thousand
dum-dums.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
They are the best things ever.
But I will say, if she has acar seat, one of my kids would
stick food.
He would like there's thatlittle in between the hard part
and the cushion Food and thenwe'd be driving and then he
would just like reach in.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Oh, grab one, he's saving it for later.
Smart kid, see they are smart.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
That he's saving it for later.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Smart kid.
See they are smart, See, theyare smart.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
That's my point.
So it's like they are, and Iknow some people have a thing
with intuitive eating.
I try to do my best to teachsomewhat from that approach, not
a free-for-all approach, butbalance your plate out and then
see where you are with wanting acookie.
But that shit would be so funnybecause a lot of parents, you

(42:03):
know like you either have tofinish that or you know that I
have it.
But I love the fact that hedidn't feel the need that he had
to eat it all right awaybecause he didn't know when he
would get it again.
Do you know what I'm saying?
And that's the thing, andthat's what again leads to
hiding of the food is the kidslearn real fast that like it's
something that you, youshouldn't want, or do it in

(42:24):
front of parents, so then theylearn just to they hide it.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yeah I've heard that from a lot of people.
They're like when I was youngerI'd hide food because I wasn't
allowed.
Blah, blah, blah, like thatsort of stuff.
I'm like yeah that makes sense.
I get it right, right yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
So I offer cookies every day, school, along with a
fruit and this and that, andthey have it.
There's days they don't.
So again, it's not an alwaysthing, but as long as they know
they have it.
I mean the second you say tosomebody do not you know?
Again, it's so textbookpsychology of if it's around and
it's not a big deal, they don'tthink about it.

(42:58):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Yeah, oh, talk about reverse psychology.
Somebody made like a videothat's like stop going on runs,
it's ruining your mental healthand your physical health.
Just get back in bed and scrollon your phone and I was like
that's awesome.
So I just like took that and Iwas like you know, yeah, beans
are so awful for you and they,or they just ruin your health.
Instead, you should just eatlike Rice Krispie treats or

(43:20):
something.
I'll fucking try anything atthis point.
Let's try the reversepsychology on people and see if
it works.
It does.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
It does.
I'm like oh, it does to a pointyou know but Obviously.
Eventually like oh sure yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
I'll just eat another Rice Krispie treat.
Thanks, Lee, I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
My kids would be like thank you, but I don't know.
But then again, look, we didbaby lead weaning and my kids
are very picky eaters.
So you know we do our best.
So it's like you've got to dothe best with kids.
Nothing's perfect and I'll tellyou what people on Instagram
showing how their kids are this,this and this Fuck off.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Fuck off.
They grow to grow.
They're fucking children.
They like they gotta grow.
They're fucking children.
They need a lot of calories.
They need to create livers andbones and things like.
That's gotta come fromsomewhere and just because it
came from like some candydoesn't mean it's not gonna be.
It's.
It's still fucking carbs,glucose.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
It's still even broken down into energy and
fucking you know like they'restill gonna I was the asshole
years ago, though and when I sayyears ago, at least probably 10
plus years ago was the it's.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
That's not food, that's yeah, it's not real food.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
That's not real food, like you know, and um.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
I look back and I'm like, yeah, a lot of us guys, a
lot of people go through,especially I feel like
dieticians, I feel likedietician.
That's incredibly common.
They had that kind of phase andthen they went to school and
like, oh shit, no, it's justlike energy brah, like it's all.
It's good.
You just have to make sure youknow it's in balance, that's all
.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
Exactly, and that's where that rhetoric goes.
Oh, oh you, you.
You sell like you just wantpeople to be found unhealthy.
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
You're promoting big food, big food, scotchy bite
like come on, come on.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
I you know, and it's again.
It's the same exhaustiverhetoric that we've heard over
and over again, like we're notbeing paid.
But we also know the psychologyof how things work and I would
much rather a client of minehave a cookie every day than
sleeves of cookies on theweekend.
And that's when that wholepermission of you know, eat, eat
what you want, so that itprevents that binging.

(45:25):
Um, we're not saying that,that's go out of your way if you
don't want it, but it's muchbetter saying binge all the time
no, we're trying to prevent thebinge by saying have it every
day.
But they don't think that waybecause, again, they, they're so

(45:45):
not in.
It's that Dunning-Kruger effect?
They, they know so little aboutit.
It's hard to.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Right, like not just nutrition but anything you know
a little bit and you think youknow everything like so fucking
common.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
I thought I aced and I will I to.
I remember, like I said, I'm 40, almost five.
I was in eighth grade.
I didn't study, it was aperiodic table.
I didn't study, I thought Iknew it I thought I aced that
fucking thing.
I failed so hard, but I do solittle that I thought that I
knew the answers.
That's how bad it is with thesepeople fighting online.

(46:22):
Oh, I've done my research.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
But that's the problem.
Actual experts will always sayit depends.
What about this, if ands likethey always add that stuff,
which is true and you need that,but that's just.
That's not going to work onsocial media.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
So I don't think experts will ever, not ever, but
, like most of them, won't dowell in terms of talking to the
public no no, you know whichkind of which kind of sucks I
know, although I am like that,the podcast that andrea loved it
with like people are makingmemes with her facial
expressions.
I don't know if you guyswatched it, but it was just so

(46:54):
fantastic.
She couldn't hold, she couldn'tstop her face.
Her face was just.
There was another woman on itwho just didn't know what the
hell she was talking about andgoing up against andrea on which
podcast was this.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
It was with mike the checkup podcast oh, dr mike,
okay, I saw a clip from that,talking about the pesticides and
and yes, organic versus notorganic ice cream.
I know what you're talkingabout it was so good.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
I don't know why I'm talking about that.
Facial expressions.
People, oh yeah, people don'tknow what they don't know, to
the point that they will go on apodcast with andrea love like
stupid.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
But that's the but.
At the end of the day, a lot ofpeople are still not going to
believe her and believe theother person because they
already have, you know, theconfirmation bias, right.
So like, like, I think thosethings are important and we
should do them, but like, howmuch are they actually
convincing people?
I don't know.
Hopefully a lot, but I don'tknow, I don't know.
It's easier just to saychemicals, no, not the chemicals

(47:50):
.
I feel like I've got a slaterob, like I feel like our shirts
of just like here's a banana orhere's a fucking lemon or some
shit like those, convince morepeople just because, like it
just has a bunch of chemicals onit.
Oh yeah, we have the shirts thatsay here's a banana, calm the
fuck down.
Or here's a lemon, go suck onit, and it's just the chemical
makeup of a banana or a lemonand I feel like that that does
about as good of a job as youcan do.

(48:11):
Just convince me like, oh yeah,these are big words in a thing
that's good for me.
Okay, it's fine.
Like I feel like that that doespretty well right, right.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
But you know, you take a little bit of truth, you
spin it and then you sell thediscount code, and then you make
a living, a living, holy shit.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Talk about like supplements and fucking shit.
I just did a video talkingabout dr guntry.
God damn, that guy's got likeevery supplement and they're
like $70 a bottle.
That shit's wild.
It's got to cost them just adoll, like pennies a dollar.
$2 to make, not much, yeah, ohmy favorite.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
There's a car.
I think he's a chiropractor.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
He always he don't usually is.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
Oh, he's a guy, I think his name's Eric something,
but he he's talking about howhe's going to wind up having all
these muscle cramps goingcarnivore.
But he's got this supplementthat has fucking fruits and
veggie powders in it.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
Smart, smart.
He sells the electrolyte sothat you don't have cramps.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
It's gotta be Berg.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
That's burg.
It's burg, okay, yeah yeah,I've had that video saved.
I just it's so dumb to me I Ican't bring myself to make it
just, but people fall for itbecause he's very convincing he
has a very strong cult followingthat it doesn't matter what you
do and like if you, I do avideo on him.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
It usually doesn't get like that.
People are just like aren'tinterested.
The people who like have morethan a couple brain cells are
like oh yeah, it's fucking the,it's the chiropractor, whatever,
move on, I don't care what hehas to say.
But then like his followers,like they're just going to
believe him no matter what, solike who are you?
Reaching with that it's.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
My favorite.
There's another carnivore guywho was talking about how bad
seed oils were Of course, alwaysand in the background it was
Pam.
Oh, no way.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Was it avocado Pam maybe.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
No, it was straight up.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
The red top canola oil Pam spray no listen, he just
uses that to get to as adefense, as a bear mace against,
um, I don't know, oh no, he'susing it to lubricate his car.
There you go.
It's an engine lubricant, yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Right next to the stove.
Right next to the stove yeah,great, like you just can't make
that shit up.
But yeah, it's, I don't know,it's just kind of exhausting.
Um, yeah, I keep, I keepposting, I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Like, at the end of the day, I find as long as just
kind of like fun and like youknow, just like laugh about it.
That's that's what I do, and Ithink when I again I talk to
people in person they're likeI'm glad you know you make it
fun.
I can just laugh at it and likebecause you know I'm not going
to take the time to go.
I did one video recently whereI was like okay, let me go a
little bit into like theresearch and whatnot, and it got

(51:06):
I mean it's, compared to myother videos, like nothing even
close in terms of views, becauseit never does anytime I have to
go like sort of into thingsimmediately, not going to get
views, so I'm just like.
I'm going to do that once in awhile for the people that really
want to know and I'm like, hey,can you do this?
Okay, sure, but most of thetime it's just like, uh, no.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Or yes, like my funny ones, go way further than like
if I go into it, but I go intoit because I'm not necessarily
here for the one you know what?

Speaker 1 (51:37):
I'm not necessarily here for the one you know, what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
It's a balance.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Yeah, it's just a balance between.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
But like it is interesting to see some of the
ones that go like my CourtneySwan ones have gone, like those
always go really.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
Oh, I did two videos where I dressed up like her.
I could put it like a littleprop top and I put a wig on.
They got millions of views,millions of views of use.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
Mine got a few thousand, but I'm a smaller
account.
I dressed up like her.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
It's all compared.
Oh yeah, no, I did the wholething.
I got a little leather jacketone time.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Did you guys go out and buy your $3,000 handbag that
?

Speaker 2 (52:11):
you go shopping with.
I don't have that sort of money.
I don't have supplement sellermoney.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
I will say I have my bag, so I put all my nice bags
on me and fuck off.
Because again, it's sounnecessary, why does she have
to strap on a bag?

Speaker 2 (52:30):
yeah any groceries like she's trying to show you
she's better than everyone elsethat she's better than you fuck
off.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
I can't.
That's where I cannot stand.
Stand Like you want to buy yournice.
I like my nice shoes.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
I like my nice bags.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
I'm not fucking parading that shit out on the
internet.
I don't need the validation forthat.
She needs validation for somereason.
That fucking bag, that bag ofhers.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Always.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
She needs that bag to make her feel good about
herself, because she knows she'sfucking everyone over.
It's like her security blanketshe does also doesn't know the
difference between partially andfully hydrogenated oils,
despite having a master's innutrition, which is quite
interesting I have a reel thatI'm gonna share, because
somebody's going off about how,like fully like hydrogenated

(53:17):
oils are really bad for you andit's like there's a difference,
big difference, here.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
This is where the dunning kruger comes in again.
You don't understand.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
There's a difference, you don't understand and I I'm
sure they changed it, but in2015 I was the one that rehauled
the trans fat cdc page and thesodium page, because that was
all going down at that time.
So I'm very versed, you knowpartially.
So when I see that, I'm justlike all I took was like you can
go, you could chat GBT, thatyou can chat GBT fully and

(53:49):
partially, and you will get theanswer.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
And again, what I've been saying and people have been
liking.
You should use this to tellpeople to use the magic
rectangle.
People like the the magicrectangle.
So go on your magic rectangle,that's your phone, they pull it
out.
You go here's your magicrectangle and you go, just go on
this and go, boop, boop, boopand it goes.
Do, do, do and now you knowmore.
You genius now Like that's,just do something like people

(54:13):
Generally seem to like Do youthink that fine line between?

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Magic rectangle won't turn on.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
Yeah, there's a fine line between magic rectangle
won't turn on.
Yeah, there's a fine linebetween doing your own research
and then like looking up stuffthat's on chat gpt, do you know
what I mean?

Speaker 2 (54:25):
but at the end of it like listen, is chat gpt always
gonna be right?
No, but like, compared to whatthey're spewing, it's a fucking
genius.
Like it's it's.
It's way more accurate than the, than the people.
Oh, I love it.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
I really I love it because it's a big get.
I'm doing mostly basic, I'm notgoing into chemistry.
I use it just to make sure that, like I'm, I'm on the right
track, right where I'm going.
But people don't again likeself-management.
They want someone to tell themwhat to do because it takes off
one more thing off their plate.
Do you know what I mean?
Like people want to have a mealplan.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
They want to have just tell me what to eat, just
tell me what to eat.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
That's all I want to do like I can't do that.
I'm sorry yeah, and it's funny,because coaches love doing meal
plans, they're not supposed todo meal plans.
Dietitians are allowed to domeal plans.
They don't do them usuallybecause they know better that's
the thing.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
That's why dietitians are allowed to do it because
they will use it responsibly inthe small percentages of times
when it's necessary to do that,but it's not most of the time.
But coaches are like fuck yeah,everybody, take one $3.99.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
You know who does really good meal plans?
Chat GPT.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
I've tried.
I've tried doing some thingswith Chat GPT.
It works pretty well.
I'm pretty surprised you cangive it a budget too, you can be
like give me one that's like$10 and doesn't include these
things, and it'll be like boop,boop, boop.
Oh, is it perfect.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
No, but like it's going to be pretty good, off, we
went because you know I don'tknow.
So, I do like it for for thatsort of thing.
But again, self-management it'snot something people like to do
.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Yeah, because it's.
I mean, that's like it's somuch I got sent.
I don't even know how thiscompany, like they must send it
through I don't know.
Like it just showed up my door.
It's fucking mushroom gummies.
It's gummies that have, like Idon't know, like lion's pain and
bullshit in it and I'm justlike.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
One of those nootropic type things.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
I don't even know what it is, I don't know man,
but like I'm just looking at it,I'm like this is what people
would rather have, right, likeif I tell you eat more fiber,
and like eat more vegetables andsleep more and blah, blah, like
fuck that shit, can I have thegummy?
The gummy sounds way easier,right, but like you know, it's
just kind of sucks, yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
Cause it's it's easier for them.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Oh, and it tastes good too.
Awesome, actually.
No, my wife tried it.
She said she didn't like itvery much.
I haven't eaten them cause,fuck that shit, I'm gonna not
eat them out of spite.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
I don't like the taste of I like portobello
mushrooms.
I won't eat like that sort ofno I like the portobello's.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
I'll fuck, I'll take white button and wait.
I'm pretty sure like whitebutton and like criminy are,
they're like the same thing, butthey like grow longer or
something right and like areportobello's the same thing?
Are they all the same thing?
Is everything the same thing?
Are they all the same thing?

Speaker 1 (57:19):
Is everything the same thing?
I don't know.
Is everything the same?
I don't know.
Is it like tea, where they'reall the same species, but just
done differently?

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Oh, okay, well, white button, according to Thank you
AI, they're not the samePortobello and white button.
Is it the same as criminy?
I don't know.
Listen, the same portobello andwhite, but is it the same as
criminy?
I don't know.
It's, listen, okay.
White button and criminymushrooms are the same species
of mushrooms.
Uh, white button mushrooms areyounger, milder and often paler
varieties.
That's why.
That's why they cost more.

(57:50):
That's why the criminy costsmore.
They got to grow it longer.
Same thing with the bellpeppers, because like green and
like red are the same thing, butthey got to grow them, or
something, something like that.
I'm not a fucking uh botanisthere.
I don't know you are anaiologist though that's what I'm
good with the magic rectangle,okay, I just I say, hey, tell me

(58:10):
why this and it goes, here yougo and it's awesome.
Man, can you imagine living inlike the fucking 1920s?
You're like I wonder why.
We'll never know.
We'll just never know thatthing you just asked.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
No one will ever know that I had to help my kid with
his math homework and he's inthe third grade, so we're
starting to get into like Idon't even know.
Yeah, I took a photo, uploadedit.
It gave me the answer oh, forsure.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
It was amazing.
It's great Fucking, I mean andlike, yeah, is it going to make
us kind of dumber, potentially,but it's real nice, it does it
in a real Nice way.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
It might make people smarter because they're no
longer Thinking for themselves.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
Oh man, well, we've been recording For like well
over an hour.
Now you got anything Else youwanted to bring up or tell
people to stop Fucking worriedabout or to do or to not do, or
whatever, anything no, becausethey won't listen to me.
Usually not.
That's what we've discovered,but we still talk into the void
anyway.
Into the void.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
No, I just you know.
Just again, I'm coming from aspace of people just being
afraid to eat.
Do you know what I'm saying?
And so it's easier to say youknow, bounce your plate, make
sure you're happy.
But for my people that's wayeasier said than done.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, I like that.
There's a couple that worksthat does you know?
They've had issues withdisordering and they always say
please eat today, and I thinkthat just like helps a lot of
people.
At the end of the video Ialways just say please eat today
.
Yeah, so I like that.
But then people are like you'repromoting obesity because
you're telling people to eatlike, oh, they need food.
No shit, numbnuts, thanks.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
Yeah yeah, it's really interesting.
I mean and you'll start hearingthis liam because, like you'll
be going to your uh kids gamesand stuff the amount of comments
that parents say about theirkids in front of their kids is
alarming.
Oh yeah, yeah and then you haveto learn to just not want to
lunge at them it's always tough.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
I I was at the park the other day with oakley and
there was a mom there's like Iwas at this party and they gave
us this cupcake and I reallydidn't want my kid to eat it
because it's got all that badstuff in it and but I felt bad
and I didn't want to just pushit away.
So I gave them just like alittle bit of the cupcake.
But you know, it's just got allthat stuff that's like banned
and other and I'm like I gotta,I'm, I'm fight every cell in my
body, isn't it going?
Hey, hey, can I talk to you fora second about that?

(01:00:27):
So I just left.
I was like I'm not, I'm not,I'm not gonna go there like I
want to, but I just let it go.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
Yeah, let it go I mean, it makes fodder for
content.
You know, yes, um, I had.
I had the entire conversation Iheard from between this mom and
her mom about what she did withher kids breakfast my head was
exploding, but you have to keepyour mouth shut because it's not
your client.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
That's.
That's.
You know what do you?
You can't just go over therelike you're dumb.
Let me tell you how to besmarter.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
That's probably not gonna go so well no, it hasn't,
because I've done it before.
I know from experience, becauseI'm a soulless ginger.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
I don't care, that's what you should open with hey,
I'm a soulless ginger and I needto tell you some things.
I feel like that would openthem up a little bit more.
You kind of be like a littleself-deprecating at the
beginning, your hook yeah, like,and they're like.
Oh, this is interesting.
I wasn't expecting them to openwith that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Let me see what else they have to say, you know you
know the trend where it's like Imay not be invited back, but at
least they know like that's mylife.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
But I like, yeah, I like that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
It's good.
Well, I'm glad we about nothingand everything.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
That's what every week is.
Where can people find moresoulless ginger content?

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
More soulless ginger on the magic box or magic
rectangle.
Magic rectangle Sorry the magicbox is the computer.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
I was thinking the TV , but I guess TVs aren't really
boxes anymore.
But neither, I don't know.
I don't know.
Well, don't actually givepeople though, because I don't
think you actually did.
I don't know.
Well, don't actually givepeople though, because I don't
think you actually did.
I don't think you did either.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
The redhead RD.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Well, that just makes it even more obvious that you
should do.
I'm a soulless ginger.
At the start.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
I think, if you start , the video with I'm a soulless
ginger and let me teach youblank.
That would probably do better.
I think that would be a prettygood hook.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
I think I'm going to try this now try that?

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
I think I don't.
I'm a soulless ginger and I'mblack and I'm a soulless black
ginger.
No, you gotta start with I'm asoulless ginger and then a few
days later, you gotta be likeand now I'm.
According to recent events, I'ma soulless black ginger and let
me teach you black.
And you know, I think thatwould do very well.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
I feel like I would be so so canceled so fast.
I really don't think you would.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
I don't think you would.
I think people would find itvery funny.
It's a trend now Gingers areblack.
It's funny, everyone's laughing.
I don't think anyone would beupset by it Well, are upset by
everything but in general peoplewouldn't be upset and I think
it would do pretty well, justsaying, just saying.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
Okay, well, I'll prime it first with the soulless
part.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Soulless ginger and blah, blah, blah, blah blah.
I think that would do prettywell.
I say, start with that.