Forrest Valkai: Making Science Fun and Functional

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
well, we are on episode something or I don't
know what liam's count is that72, 72, 72 go ahead okay hey, 72
, it's actually uh 48, I thinkI'm starting to lose count.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
I feel like it's more than that.
We've only done 48.
We've done 48.
48 feels so much more.
It feels like we've done somany more than that.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
But welcome back to in moderation, where we have for
our guest today Forrest Valky.
Did I say that right?

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Valky.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Yeah, that's what I would say.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yeah hi.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yeah, valky, yeah, thank you so much for having me.
How are you doing?
I'm doing really well.
Never had a bad day in my life.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Really, that seems like a lie, that seems like a
straight face.
Yeah, I don't know right offthe bat.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
I'm debunking this everyone's first people you're
the first people to call me outon it.
Yeah, just I just I just, I'mgenerally just jovial dude, I'm
just happy to be here.
I'm just I'm, I'm thrilled.
Even even in my worst, mostterrible days, at least my life
is good enough to recognize thatthat day fucking sucks and that
that's.
You know what I mean.
Like what a great, what a greatday.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Yeah, but you still have the days like I had
yesterday, where my I had tobring my dog to the vet and he
couldn't eat anything.
So I put the food up on thecounter and then, right before
he left, he knocked it off andthen ate a bunch of food.
And I brought him there andthey said no, you can't have
them now, we have to send themback.
And here's the medication.
But you have to wait a littlewhile to get the medication.
I'm like it's eight o'clock inthe morning, I haven't slept yet
.
But that's cool, that's fineand that's how my day started,

(01:29):
anyway, that's, that's one ofthe reasons why I have neither.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
One of the reasons why I have neither pets nor
children right there.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
I have four pets and one child.
I when I also have fish.
I guess that's more pets,doesn't matter anyway.
So yeah, tell us a little bitabout yourself then.
Like, what do people know youfor?
Like, why are you here?

Speaker 2 (01:49):
I'm here because Rob asked me to be here and he can
take the blame for it.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
I take the blame for most guests my name is Forrest.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
I'm a biologist and a science communicator.
I teach people to love scienceand themselves and each other
and the universe around them and, uh, uh, my, my whole job is to
just make science fun andexciting and accessible and also
use really cool science lessonsto teach really important life
lessons and, and like, usescience as a tool for social
progress and societal progress.

(02:20):
Um, uh, you can find me on theminternets, on YouTube, here at
Forrest Falkei, or you can findme on TikTok at Renegade Science
Teacher, or just look up myname.
You can also find me as aregular host on skeptic and
atheist call-in shows such asSkep Talk, the Sunday Show, the

(02:40):
Atheist Experience Talk, heathen, the Hang Up and many more like
those such as like and yeah, ifyou like science, skepticism
and general weirdness, you willlike our heathens.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
And our heathens and our heathens.
That's a good one.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
I've got a lot of people who are like either in
the process of deconstruction orthey're of the mind that, like
their, their religious beliefsdon't get in the way of their
education too badly and thatthat's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Um and so, like you know, I just dance.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
There's, there's.
There's some people out therethat are fine and that's our.
I take a pretty extreme stanceon these things, but I'm not
going to be a dick to anybodywho just is not.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
You're just trying to learn stuff you know you say
being a dick for people who arebeing dicks.
Yeah, yeah, exactly yeah uh.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Well then, what got you uh interested in it, though,
like what's what got you all inthe the sciency path?

Speaker 2 (03:37):
oh, I've been a scientist since I was a little
kid.
I just didn't know it at thetime.
I was always asking, askingquestions, I was always poking
stuff.
I was always trying to learnabout the world around me.
I used to love watching, likeJeff Corwin and Steve Irwin and
all these people, and I would goout in my neighborhood and
catch whatever frogs and lizardsand small mammals I could and
teach about them to an invisiblecamera in front of me.

(03:59):
I used to read all these oldlike I had like all these old
science textbooks from like thefifties laying around.
That's all I had and I wouldjust read them and have fun with
them.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Um, and uh, you should start off with that in
conversations I read textbooks.
As far as it's a fun hobby,yeah, dude.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Well, cause you learn neat stuff and it's like it's
like a cheat code.
Some dude spent like theirwhole life learning a thing and
then they just wrote it down foryou and you can check it out
and it's like so great.
And so yeah, I would just.
I would just mess around allthose things and go explore the
world around me and I just lovedit.
And I didn't know that was whatscience was, because public

(04:39):
school kind of beat all the funout of it for me.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
And then I finally, as an adult, circled around with
, like you know, schools.
It just feels like it's justlike, it's just crushing.
You know, like, like this.
There's so many opportunitiesto make this fun and it seems
like you jumped over everysingle one of them.
You purposefully avoided anypossibility at fun that's just
my feeling towards it.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
That's because we run schools like a business in this
country, and so it's reallyhard to allow passion to lead
the way right yeah, that's kindof, that's a big bummer but
anyway starting off on a bigbummer on that high

Speaker 3 (05:16):
note.
You know what got me interested.
I'll tell you real quick.
Just, you know what got meinterested in science when I was
younger mythbusters, that wasmy show.
Like I've seen every episodemultiple times.
Like just kind of thescientific, we have a theory,
let's test it, let's have somefun.
And it made it fun, right, likeI think that's just like
actually this can be fun.
What if we took a car and itgave it square tires and drove

(05:36):
it fast enough?
Would it be?
Would it would it jiggle orwould it be a smooth ride?
Like theory?
I'm like that's fat.
I want to know that's yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Before we had mythbusters we had bill nye and
bill oh, I definitely watchedbill nye as a kid.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, yeah yeah, I loved all these things.
I I don't.
I don't disparage, I.
I hate when people pretend likescience is only for old white
men with big white beards andlong white coats and like it has
to be this.
I I had an advisor at one pointand I had a person that I
worked under in grad school thatwas like you're just like
science is serious and theyhated me.
They hated me and my jobbecause I was out here trying to

(06:12):
convince people that sciencewas fun and it's not.
Science is hard and science isserious and you need to take it
seriously.
And I'm like dude, I'm gettinggreat results and I'm smiling.
You can do both.
You can walk and chew gun atthe same time.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
So like I don't know, that's it.
It is frustrating when peopledon't take things like
mythbusters seriously.
Fred penner, all right, all mycanadians are know exactly what
I'm talking about and only thecanadians really only the
canadians I've heard all

Speaker 3 (06:40):
the canadians listening someone's so excited
that one person's so excited um,that's great.
Those are the only two othercanadians listening someone's so
excited that one person's soexcited um that's great those
are the only two other canadiansin the world.
There's not that many, but Iwould, you know, I would say,
like you know, we have a lot ofthese examples of people making
science a little bit more funand that just makes it easier to
access you know, like your hankgreens of the world and you

(07:02):
know they have their own showsand everything like that.
I think that's what gets peoplemore interested.
And then, yeah, you're a personthat's like it has to be boring
and serious.
It's just like, yeah, that's abummer, that's it.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
It's like you know you wouldn't do that with
literally anything else.
Like if you went into a gym youwouldn't just sit somebody down
with a crazy weight and be likelift this 500 times, tell me
when you're done.
You know you do something toget them engaged and make sure
they're motivated and they'reenjoying it and they're having a
good time, and it's the samething If you sit down.
Well, I can oh my glob dude, Ican make science boring.

(07:34):
I can sit here and just teachyou vocab all day long and all
these little protein pathways.
We can go super molecular withit and you will us your rainy
voice lecture you've beenworking on the fun voice for too
long.
Yeah, the opposite way soremember that, that when you
want to remodel hetero, aeuchromatin, into hetero, slow

(07:57):
down a little.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
I think you need a little more spaces, a little
more spaces between the words, alittle bit more it's really
important that you use a stonemodifying complex.
I've had professors like thatand it's oh, that's the best

(08:18):
lots of people just had acollege flashback.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
I had a professor once.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
This is real story.
I had a professor once.
He was another one of those.
That was.
Science is very serious and youneed to take it seriously.
Um, literally didn't lecturethe class about the thing that
the class was about for a wholeday, so three hours of this
class lectured us instead.
It was the very beginning ofthe semester and he looks around

(08:43):
the room and he says, uh, thathe notices that all of us have
spiral notebooks and mechanicalpencils and stuff, fountain pen
and graduate yourself to anadult writing utensil and to an
adult notepad, so you can behavelike adults in my lab and like

(09:11):
the whole time and I'm like thiswas three hours that you were
supposed to teach us aboutphotosynthesis.
What the fuck are we doing?
What's?

Speaker 3 (09:19):
going on.
How can we get that guy atevery party?
Go figure.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
The first exam.
He had to have another talk tothe class because two people in
the entire class passed thefirst exam.
And it's like dude, there can'tbe 30 common denominators here.
I don't know what to tell you.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
And we don't know what a common denominator is,
because you won't teach us.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Oh shit, common denominator is because you won't
teach us.
Oh shit, well, anyway, uh, okaybut no, what are we going to
talk about?
What we're doing on this show?

Speaker 3 (09:54):
yeah, I need to get into something and there's
something I need to talk aboutright off the bat because it
just annoys the shit out of memore than it close to, if not
anything I have to say, and thatis I need you to talk, I need
you to tell people that there isa difference between a culinary
definition of a vegetable and abiotanical definition of a

(10:14):
vegetable, because, god damn, itdrives me up a fucking wall
anytime.
I do like hidden veggies andthen you know there's a fucking
zucchini or some shit in thereand people go, um, actually
that's a zucchini is a fruitbecause it has a sense, and I'm

(10:36):
just like I never wanted toreach through a fucking phone so
bad in my life and bonk someoneon the head and just be like
pete, please be less stupid,okay, so can you tell people
that there's uh, you know,vegetables don't even really
exist, or, you know, go on yourphone whatever you want, go
ahead no, these, these peopleare all right and you're
terrible end of podcast.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Fucking that's so yeah, so yeah, there there is a
botanical definition and thereis a culinary definition for
fruit and vegetable.
The botanical definition forfruit is it's the swollen ovary,
basically, of a plant, and soanything that produces flowers
will also inevitably producefruit.

(11:19):
They might not be fruit thatyou want to eat, but this is a
thing that contains one or moreseeds.
If it has one internal seed,it's called a droop.
If it's got multiple internalseeds, it's called a berry.
Um and and yes, pumpkins andjalapenos and zucchinis, uh and
and uh, oranges and apples, um,are all the same kind of.

(11:44):
They're all berries, they'redifferent types of berries.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Whenever somebody does the, it's a fruit thing, I
like to retort with.
No, it's actually a berry.
If you're going to go that way,yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Which, which it's like saying humans are animals.
Yeah, you're right.
What kind and like?
Do you want to get into it alittle bit more, and so like
that?
Yeah, so if you're talkingabout oranges, they're there.
It's called a Hesperidium.
It's a thick leathery rind fullof, like, aromatic oils.
If you're talking about like,cucumbers and zucchinis and
stuff, those are called pepos.
If you're talking about applesand pears, they're called palms

(12:17):
and blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
And then there's dry fruits like nuts and dry yes, I
was going to say cashews, I knoware considered like a droop or
whatever, like it's not actuallya nut, so I get, that's another
one people the cashew fruit isa droop and then the nut coming
out of it is a differentbusiness.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yeah, and so like, if you talk about uh, uh, nuts and
seeds and things, there's uh,uh, either dehiscent or
indehiscent fruits, depending onwhether or not they open by
themselves.
That's a whole subclassification of them.
Um, and there's just like 80different things here, dude, and
like that's all to say that avegetable, that's not a science

(12:53):
word, um, but in, in, culinarilyspeaking, a vegetable is either
the root, stems or leaves of aplant and a fruit is any other
damn thing, as far as I rememberum, yeah, basically anything
else yeah yeah, and so that's,but but then, unless it's a
tomato, in which case fuck youis what, and so like, yeah, so

(13:15):
uh, because tomatoes are, theyare berries and they're in the
nightshade family and they'reweird, um, and just it's, it's a
whole business.
That's why, why the culinaryarts are culinary arts and not
culinary sciences.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
It's just like chefs, common sense if it's not in a
fruit salad, then it's not afucking fruit.
Okay, you're not puttingcucumbers and pumpkins in a
fruit salad and also whenever Ido, I did a fun.
I just did a fun little videoon like my top five favorite
nuts and, oh my god, I justwanted to break my phone.
It was just so many.

(13:48):
Um, peanuts are a legume, likethey are me like they are
legumes, but can you?
imagine like oh, put your beans.
Like, put your beans and yourfucking peanuts in there.
Like what the fuck are youtalking?
It's a, it's it's culinarily.
We put it with the nuts becauseit acts if it tastes like a nut
and eats like a nut, which, yes, I know how I'm saying that

(14:10):
it's a fucking nut.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
OK, I'm proud of myself for not making any nut
jokes this far.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
We're listening.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
We are adults.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Yeah, we're doing great.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah, no, that's, and that's a whole other thing.
Is like, yeah, that you canbreak it down for and like, if
you really want to blow people'sfucking minds, bring up like
strawberries and pineapples.
A strawberry is called anaggregate fruit.
It's not.
Actually a strawberry is not afruit.
The strawberry, the red stuffyou're eating, that's all just
parts of the plant.
That's all swollen and full ofjuice.

(14:40):
The fruits are what you callseeds All the little green dots
around a strawberry.
Every single one of those is afruit.
And the actual red flesh of thestrawberry is just the other
parts of the ovary.
That's kind of left over.
Um, and then pineapples um, apineapple is called a multiple
fruit.
So when you look at a pineapple, it's got all those little
hexagonal sections.
Every single one of those is afruit, because the way pineapple

(15:03):
grows is like each one of thoseis a flower.
They all become fertilized,they all swell up at the
fruiting bodies and they allgrow together into one wad that
looks like a pineapple, and soevery one of those little
hexagons is a different flowerthat then became part of the
pineapple.
So if I eat a, pineapple, nopineapples, 500 fruits and like,
so is a strawberry.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
So if I eat a pineapple, it counts as getting
my six servings of food.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah, it's all of them, all at once.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
Oh man, funny, yeah, funny story.
I got called racist for tellingblack people it's OK to eat
pineapple.
That was fun.
That was Dr Sebi thing.
That was fun, dr Sebi thing.
Yeah, it's the Dr Sebi thing.
So Dr Sebi is a guy who teachespeople that they can cure AIDS
and stuff through their diet andall those sorts of things.
Very interesting fellow Got ina lot of trouble.

(15:57):
Not surprisingly, people say hewas assassinated, even though
he was just older and just diedbecause he was teaching people.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Yeah, like got pneumonia while he was in jail.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Yeah was, it was a whole.
Yeah, I got in trouble, it wasa whole thing.
But I said, yeah, like no,black people eat pineapple.
And they're like, no, onlywhite people can eat pineapple.
He's just talking to blackpeople who can.
I'm like we're not differentcreatures, like we're still
humans.
And yeah, I was.
I was called a colonizer andeverything.
It was real interesting.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
That was an interesting you know it's, it's
weird because they're like thereare sometimes.
I'm trying, I'm trying to givethese people the most benefit of
the doubt that I possibly canin my head and I'm like, I'm
thinking like the.
There are some things likelactose.
Tolerance is a lot more commonin white populations.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
That makes sense because of our evolutionary
history but I would never saypeople a little bit on the, the
lactose, you know, do you likethe story behind?

Speaker 2 (16:46):
yeah, it's kind of so long story short is you've got,
uh, so lactose is the sugar inmilk, um, you need a special
enzyme called lactase to breakit down.
So, as you're when you're ababy, you produce a lot of
lactase because you're drinkingbreast milk, um, and so you, you
have this protein or thisenzyme being generated in your
body.
After about age two ish, thegene to produce lactase switches

(17:10):
off and you don't need itanymore because you're supposed
to be weaning and working onsomething else.
But in, especially likeEuropean populations and some
African populations as well thatwere pastoralists, that that uh
, um, were, you know, using cowsand sheeps and goats and things
and getting milk and cheese andwhatnot, needed to continue
breaking down uh, this, uh, thesugar, uh, we had a mutation

(17:31):
where that gene doesn't switchoff anymore, and so we, it
causes a condition calledlactase persistence or lactose
tolerance, and lactasenon-persistence or lactose
intolerance is actually thenatural, like ground state of
humans until the past, you know,maybe like 10 000 or so years
ago, um, and so like, uh, there,there's a lot of ethnicities

(17:54):
out there that struggle withlactose tolerance, but I would
never presume to say you can'teat it.
I know a lot of white people whoare lactose intolerant.
That are just fine, you know,punishing their bodies.
And because cheese is good.
Or you know.
Also, it's not.
It's not like a guarantee Likeskin color is not like going to

(18:16):
tell you everything you need toknow about your genetics in that
way.
I don't know, man, I there's awhenever.
If somebody has a complaintlike that, I try very hard to
listen to it, but there's a lotof times that people on the
internet just want very badly tobe mad yeah, I think it was.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
You think it was Christopher Hitchens?

Speaker 2 (18:37):
yeah, there's Christopher Hitchens who talked
about like you, if someone isgoing to balance a stepladder on
top of the back of their toiletso that they can see out the
window, to peer into your livingroom and be offended by what
they see in there, there's justnothing you can do about it.
And like, if someone's going togo out of their way to find a
problem, if you're saying, yes,people can eat pineapple and

(18:57):
that's an issue I don't oh man,that's rough that's, yeah, it's.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
I mean, social media is a real place and, like you
got to be prepared for anything,it's, it's not to call out dr
sebi followers, but to call outdr sebi followers they really
play that race card just becauseoh yeah, immediately
he was black and he kind ofappealed to the black population
but what was interesting is, drsebi had a lot of problems with

(19:21):
the asian population too.
He was like that's what youhave to wonder, wonder, wonder,
why Asian people can't stand upstraight because they're eating
rice and stuff.
And I was like that's like awild take.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Black people can only have wild rice and black white.
I think it was black rice,black rice yes, black rice.
Black people can only haveblack rice.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
They're like flamingos.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
They have to absorb the other.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
What?
A stupid thing to say what astupid thing to say, but I
literally I never thought I'dhave to google something like
this.
But I just googled can blackpeople eat pineapple?
Just to see if there's somestupid thing out there that
somebody misread to listen to.
And I, literally, all I'mcoming up with is this shit
about people saying, yeah, thisis a stupid racist stereotype

(20:07):
that's been perpetuated for along time, and like I've never
heard of this before, and I canimmediately tell you this is
insane.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Black people can eat red pineapples.
There's a red pineapple whichis like usually used for
ornamental reasons.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Sure.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
No, they say that's fine for some reason.
But also he said like, yeah,you could cure all these
different cancers and aids andeverything, and so it's like one
of those which is about asdangerous as you can get in the
like the diet realm is tellingpeople you can cure your you
know horrible disease throughnaturally yeah yeah, naturally,
and it's just, I've seen so muchshit like that.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
I hate it.
There's there was a dude on TikTOK a little while ago.
Um was telling people that,like, if you take antibiotics,
the word antibiotic meansanti-life and therefore
antibiotics kill literally allthe cells in your body and
that's why you're more sick whenyou take antibiotics.
When you start taking them, youfeel sick and that's it's.

(21:09):
That's why, um, and thereforeno one should ever take
antibiotics and it's like, doyou literally?
Like?
You just poorly translated aword and that's your argument
and I don't understand there wasanother one.
I remember doing a video aboutthis lady who was doing the same
thing.
She was saying like, oh, I cansell you my traditional herbal

(21:30):
treatments that'll cure yourfucking herpes and shit.
And it's like dude, like what.
It wouldn't be so annoying ifit wasn't so real for so many
people.
And you look at it and you pickany one of those videos, you
will find so many people in thecomment section.
They're like hey, I have thesehealth issues.
I'm not getting the answersthat I want from my doctor, so

(21:52):
tell me what fruit I need toavoid to cure my fibromyalgia,
to cure my cancer, to cure myemphysema, to cure my whatever
else.
And uh, people are distrustfulof the medical industrial
establishment and they're scaredyeah, there's industrial
establishment and they're scaredyeah, there's yeah, sure, and
they're scared and there's.
It's not like we have a greathistory in this country,

(22:12):
especially regarding race andmedicine, so I understand that
right, but then there's thesefucking vultures that prey on
that shit and it drives me up awall, dude.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
My favorite thing to hate along those lines is
medical medium telling peoplethat every time you get blood
drawn in order to check it,check your levels and everything
get your blood work done, youare weakening yourself because
you are actively taking yourantibodies out of your system

(22:43):
and he's essentially activelyencouraging people not to give
blood ever.
Basically.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
That's interesting.
Where did they come from in thefirst place if you couldn't
make more of them by losing somewhen?

Speaker 3 (23:00):
did you first get them?
What, oh dude, we don't thinkthat deep Surface level, it's
just gosh, it's just.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
A to B, don't check.

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Speaker 2 (23:44):
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Speaker 3 (23:59):
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uh well, that chemical filledcreamer ruined it.
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Speaker 2 (24:13):
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right and I poured in oh, that'stoo much, damn it gosh.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
Uh, the chemicals the chemicals in the food is is
always one of my favorites.
I first it like annoyed me, butnow I just have to laugh at it
um, chemicals and metals arealways like.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Those are the ones metals always gets me as well.
I have to.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
We've shown I've shown it before, but he'll
appreciate that.
Here's the banana.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Here's a banana calm the fuck down and it's just all
the it's the chemical makeup.
Yeah, like so good ridiculousthat's.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
I saw this one and like it's, it's, it's
frustrating because there's alot of it that is genuine, just
just ignorance and fear is a lot.
And and like, yeah, I saw thisvideo of this lady that was like
she, so you can do thisactually a science experiment
that I've done in public schoolsbefore.
It's really easy you go out andget some cereal um, I recommend
a life brand cereal becauseit's got, uh, really high iron

(25:15):
content, as anything that saysfortified or enriched or
whatever.
You're gonna have it and put itin a ziploc bag, crush it up
real fine, put water in there,close it up real tight and give
it a good shake, make sure it'sreally saturated and then leave
it and put a magnet to it andall these iron shavings will
come up to the top of the bagand you can see all the iron
that's in your cereal.
And I've seen videos online ofmoms that are doing this and

(25:38):
like, oh my God, they're puttingall this metal in my baby.
They're killing my baby,putting all this metal in my
baby, they're killing my baby.
And I'm like, dude, I am sohappy that you're such a good
mom that you're scared of this,that this is something you're
worried about because you don'tunderstand, and it shows what a
great caring person you are andI'm so sorry you're frightened
but let me tell you like here's.
Here's why, why it's important.
And here's why iron isimportant.

(25:59):
And also the bioavailability ofiron in that form isn't great
anyway, so most of it's justgoing to be pooped out, but the
little bit you do absorb, yourbaby's not going to have anemia.
Good for you.
That's great.
It's a good thing.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
It's one thing for moms to be doing that, but
doctor, doctor, call Saladino,yeah, yes, that's what I mean.
You have people who aregenuinely afraid.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
And then you have people who are genuinely afraid,
and then you have fuckingvultures who to do the same
thing in order to sell somebullshit pill.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
Yeah, that's what it's.
Yeah, just you know, sell your,whatever it is your pulse.
He actually does have testiclesupplements, just ground up
testicles in pill form theybetter be goddamn free.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Range what I'm saying is just like I want to be very
clear that you know we, as we'resitting here laughing at this,
it is funny.
But I want to be very clearthat you know we, as we're
sitting here laughing at this,it is funny, but I want to, for
anybody listening, I want to beclear about who exactly it is
that I'm pissed off at I'm notpissed off at individual people
who just don't understandnutrition, that you don't have
to Fuck man.
It's a weird, complicated thing.
I'm pissed off at thecharlatans who get people hurt

(26:59):
because they're spewing theirbullshit.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Yeah, it's, it's absolutely.
But then this because there'sthis distrust though of the, the
system, you know.
So you have to kind of trust.
So you but you believe a conman, first because they're,
they're you know they've caughtcon man confidence.
You know they come out, theystart yelling and it's like wow,

(27:21):
yeah, and I think for like youknow, for you probably, I feel
like you've seen this, likescientists and a lot of them
just aren't great at like publicspeaking or just talking to the
average person, right, likethey talk, maybe they're over
their head or they're just notgood at public speaking.
So, they drone Whatever and andalso like it's the Dunning
Kruger effect, right.

(27:41):
Like the less you know, themore you think you know.
So it's just like someone whoactually knows their shit is
going to be, like you knowthey're not going to be so
absolutist, right, they're goingto talk about like well,
science studies suggest this andmaybe that, and that doesn't
sound good to your averageperson.
They want, like the confidenceman, that's like this, always
that you know, that sort ofthing.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
That that is one thing that, like I, when I teach
about like how to spot bullshit, when I teach critical thinking
, when I teach about whatpseudoscience is that's one of
the things that I mentioned is,like, what kind of language are
they using to endorse thisproduct?
Are they saying that it'sguaranteed to do a thing?
Are they saying that it's beenproven to do a thing?

(28:21):
Are they saying that it's asecret hack?

Speaker 3 (28:23):
that is a wonder drug is all these things.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Yeah, that's a good one the or are they saying that
modern research suggests, yeah,there's evidence to believe
there's a, there's somethinggoing on.
We think they're like, and likeit sounds backwards to say like
the if someone's willing to bea little less confident about
their claims, that makes themmore trustworthy.
But like in honesty, like if ifyou're sitting here with 100

(28:50):
percent guaranteed this is the,that tells me you might not have
thought about it hard enough.
I need you to be able to find aflaw in what you're saying,
because that's one thing I thinkthat is really difficult for
people who don't have a STEMbackground to maybe not
difficult for them to understand, but difficult for them to
incorporate into their dailylife.

(29:11):
You should be able to come upwith five failure points for
every fucking thing and like ifyou have somebody who's coming
out here like nope, this is it,you do this thing and this will
happen.
Like if they don't have atleast one, unless except you
know, until whatever.
Like that I can tell youdrinking water is is healthy for
you.
Drinking clean, pure water isgood, unless if you're like

(29:36):
really, really strenuousathletics and you're sweating a
whole hell of a lot and then youguzzle a bunch of water.
Your.
Your body is actually trying toconserve water, and that's when
we see the highest incident ofpeople with water toxicity,
because they that it's in crazyathletes who are trying to stay
hydrated and drinking a goodamount of water while under that
stressful situation.
But that doesn't mean that youshouldn't be hydrating.

(29:59):
It means you need to do iteffectively and make sure you
have proper electrolytes.
And it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
And so there's but as soon as you put the
electrolytes in, it's no longerwater.
It's not right.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yes, no then it's, it's brondo, that's the, that's
what plants crave.
Yes, I can talk for fucking 20minutes about all the caveats of
drinking fucking water.
It's not just do it becauseit's good, and so if somebody is
coming out here like you needto fucking drink my brand of a
kidney semen because it's goingto make you strong and they
don't have 30 minutes worth of,don't do this Because it's going

(30:28):
to make you strong and theydon't have 30 minutes worth of
don't do this.
And unless you do that and takeit only in these circumstances,
not if you have theseconditions and like just they're
probably fucking full of shit,dude.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
And but that just doesn't work well on a stage.
You need like.
So, gary, like I talk about himall the time just fantastic on
a stage, because it's allabsolutist, it's all this equals
that, and it's just like you'vebeen taught wrong no-transcript

(31:21):
.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
There's enough bullshit out there that actually
you should.
You have been taught wrongabout such and such that it
gives them, like it kind ofgives them a license to then,
you know, come up with somethingstupid like, for example, if
you believe that carrots aregreat for your eyes, that's
because of some world war iipropaganda that we just spread
and people still believe, and itwas because we didn't want to

(31:42):
give away our military secretsand so we said yeah, all of our
pilots eat a lot of carrots andit makes their eyes super strong
but there is like kind of uh,some, there's some truth, but
there's a grain of truth behindeverything, right.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
So there's like a little bit behind that.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
So yeah, like you can use that, yeah right or, or you
know the, the but, but at theend of the day it's like it's
grossly exaggerated at best, andlike I can tell I've stuck a
carrot in my eye before it hurt.
I didn't see any better.
And so like for people to comeout here and say that, like this
, like it if people stillbelieve this it's because of
some shit that you were actuallytaught incorrectly.

(32:14):
And like, yeah, like you said,maybe there's a little truth,
but I guarantee there's some waybetter stuff that you can do
from your eyes, besides having,you know, a carrot salad or
whatever the fuck people do withcarrots.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
Um well, I did want to get onto something else,
because this is something I getasked a lot about and from I'd
like to get from like just moreof a science perspective,
because I've been getting taggedin a lot Bio engineered food
and GMOs.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
This is something I get asked Can you give a little
bit on why it's the worst thingever and why you should never
eat it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So so if you have ever eatenliterally any plant or animal
matter from a grocery store, youhave consumed engineered foods,
because that's what fuckingartificial selection is.

(33:03):
If, if you like, go out intothe world and find a natural,
all natural, non-human,manipulated apple, it's going to
be the size of the tip of yourthumb and it's going to taste
like a butt, because that you'rejust not used to it.
Um, and like that's.
That's what we've been doing forthe past like several thousand

(33:24):
years is finding the fruit thatis the biggest and the sweetest
and the tastiest and the mostnutritious, and we've been
breeding those ones.
And then, out of that crop, wefind the biggest, tastiest, most
nutritious ones, and we breedthose ones, and we, out of that
crop, we do it again and again,and again, until you have what
we have today of apples of allcolors and shapes and varieties

(33:46):
and flavors and all thesedifferent things that make us
happy, those.
That, that is geneticengineering.
We just do it in a lab now,instead of doing it over the
course of 100 years in a field.
We now do it over the course oflike a year or maybe a decade
in a laboratory and likecountless studies over the past

(34:09):
I want to say especially 20years have shown consistently
that these things are no moreharmful or whatever, better or
whatever than you know any other.
Quote, quote organic, naturalfood.
And if you really don't likethat kind of genetic
manipulation, you, I think it'sit's grossly anti humanist, it's

(34:31):
grossly anti-humanist.
And you need to look up a guyby the name of oh, I want to
make sure I'm saying this right,I think it's Neil Gorsuch and I
want to say I don't want to sayit, cut this out If I said it
wrong.
Yep, neil Gorsuch is a fuckingSupreme Court justice.
Hold on a second.
I knew that was the wrong one.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
I knew that as well, because there's some shit there
but like come back around towhatever.
Whatever else.
Norman Morlog how did I getNeil Gorsuch Cut?

Speaker 2 (35:07):
all of that out, God.
That's terrible.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
None of this is getting cut.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
They're going to see the entire thing fine look at
neil gorsuch, and then afterthat look up norman borlaug.
Yeah, fuck me, dude, that'syeah, I'm over here on my high
horse.
You need to look up this manthat I can't fucking remember.
Yeah, norman borlaug is who I'mtalking about.
Norman borlaug, um uh, was anagricultural scientist and he

(35:34):
won the Nobel Prize.
Grow all over the world in inin places that were having

(35:56):
serious problems with caloricdensity within their populations
, and this motherfucker like hehe has saved so many people from
starvation because of geneticmanipulations to plants, and so
like, if, if you don't like thisstuff, I'm very, very happy to
hear that you live in a placewith some serious food security.

(36:16):
But, like for the rest of theworld, like this, this is a
lifesaving technology that we'retalking about here.
So like, just, I don't know,man, it bothers me when it's
it's.
It's like I don't know it'sit's.
It's like I don't know.
It's like having a seriouscomplaint that you, your water
tastes too cold while you'rechewing mint gum Like that's a

(36:39):
fun thing to talk about, that'sa funny thing to think.
But if you're like actuallystanding on a platform
complaining about that and youdon't give a fuck about the 70
something percent of the rest ofthe world that doesn't have
access to clean drinking waterin the first place, fuck, like
all of the way off and that.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
So just I don't know, man, that's what strikes me as
a lot of the time yeah, becauseI mean we've been able to
genetically modify, you know,things out of our food that are
not so good for us and that hassaved many people from
starvation.
Like how many people would havestarved if we didn't modify our
food, I mean it's just it's justkind of come back to like an
anti-science thing, like italways seems like, you know, the

(37:15):
people are anti-gmo, are also,like you know, anti-vax and all
these sort of things.
Like it's just kind of thisnatural good, artificial bad was
really where it comes from andlike it's uh, amplified by
people like courtney swans.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Out there in grocery stores.
They're walking around withtheir $3,000 handbags saying you
should, you need to buy this$10 version of this $1 food.
The $1 food is bad you knowthis mayo.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
that's 12 bucks for a tiny jar.
I'll stick with my fucking offbrand Hellman's.
Thank you very much.
I'll all the soybean oil,please and thank you.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
If you're not a scientist and you want to know
if something is good for you,just check out whether or not uh
gwyneth paltrow has endorsed itand then, if she has, just
ignore you know what I mean.
Like that's, if you, if youthink you're on to something in
terms of like health and andmedicine and all this stuff, is
it sold on the same website aspsychic vampire repellent spray?
Maybe you don't need it.
Maybe you don't need to buy.
Maybe it's actually not theleading medical breakthrough you

(38:15):
thought it was oh, but it'sexpensive, so that must mean
it's good, and you?

Speaker 1 (38:20):
and you need it.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Uh, it's, it's, yeah, the gm, the, the bioengineer
food and the gmo food.
Just it just annoys the shitout of me, not as much as like
be calling fruits, vegetables orwhatever, but like pretty close
fuck those guys the most.
Oh, it's so frustrating.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
It's so frustrating yeah it's, it's just
misinformation and and the factthat, like, sensationalism sells
and and if people yeah, you,you mentioned a minute ago just
the naturalistic fallacy, it'sso unbelievably common and I
feel like I I don't know, maybemaybe I'm seeing it from a
different frame of reference,but I feel like it's on the rise
, where people are like anythingartificial is bad.

(39:03):
Yeah, anything that doesn'tcome out of nature is bad, and
I'm like I hope you never taketylenol or get on an airplane or
anything else that you think isthat isn't natural, like fuck,
I love all those, uh, the bigname, nature pushers, liver King
, all those people that you knowwhat I saw recently, liver King
.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
He went in a hyperbaric chamber and I I
fucking ate that shit up.
That was the greatest thingever.
He was like you know, I'mhealing my he.
He tore something, whatever andhe went into and he's like I'm
not going to heal it throughmedicine.
And this motherfucker, thisfucking ninja turtle, went into
a hyperbaric chamber to heal itand I'm like that's the greatest

(39:41):
thing I've ever seen in my life.
You know all our ancestors thatwhen they got hurt, they
climbed into their requisitehyperbaric chambers to heal.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Yeah, they ate 30 pounds of raw liver.
Got in the hyperbaric chamber,shot up a bunch of anabolic
steroids and became strong.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
That's how that's how we are ancestors today and
that's how you should do it whatdo I know?

Speaker 2 (40:04):
I am but a weak man with only two biceps when he has
17 god, eat your liver, kingbar, and go into your hyperbaric
chamber.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
We're all living wrong apparently.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
It's so funny, natural versus artificial.
Just go to the forest and eat abunch of mushrooms.
If you like the natural shit,I'm sure it'll go well for you.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
The amount of people who still, like you know, they,
they, you know recommend that Ilook up some naturopath and like
, oh yeah, or something, youknow, man, you know they've
cracked the code.
If you can pay 500 and earn thetitle of doctor, you haven't
earned the title of doctor, sir,you know that's not how that
works and just just cause youwent to the Kent Hoven school of

(40:55):
medicine, I don't know likewhat.
It's not not my job to try tocorrect you, but you are hurting
people and we.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
We unfortunately have um, I don't remember the name
of it, but it's a, a college,and I use that loosely because
it's not accredited, right.
Uh, in Ontario, here in Canada,it's's.
It's one, it's one of the mostfamous um naturopathic wellness
colleges in north america andand they, the people who go

(41:22):
there, they get a title.
And they get the title becausethe college went and trademarked
a name.
That's it.
Oh, it's just a trademark name.
It sounds fancy, it sounds likethey're a doctor or something,
but all they did was went andtrademarked a name and only
graduates from this college canuse it.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
That's smart, I like that there you go, there you go.
Yeah, that's how you domarketing and medicine together.
Take notes, kids.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Yeah and it's actually funny because, um four,
I believe four of the provincesactually regulate those tiles
titles, while the others don'tso.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
In those four provinces, which includes
alberta here, they are notallowed to use those titles and
they actually have to switch toa different title yeah, my gosh
but they earned it by payingtheir 500 bucks that you don't
just study reiki for 13 years,so you can't use whatever
fucking title they oh, my godyeah, I love it.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
So, yeah, gmo is fine .
If you're wondering, if youwant to know what things you
should look up, look up TioSente, which is like the
ancestor of like corn, and thatshit was like sad as fuck, like
there's it looks like a sheaf ofwheat, almost like it's just a
little weird.
Yeah, yeah, so you know I enjoymy GMOs.
Thank you very much.
I will take their cheaper.

(42:43):
And also, I just have to saylike before we move on to
something else is like we'vegenetically modified plants to
be more resistant to pests, sowe use less pesticides.
Now on gmo crops but, it'salways the people that are
complaining about gmos alsocomplain about pesticides.
I'm like, you're fucking like.
Do you not see the irony here?

Speaker 2 (43:01):
like oh and like, don't be wrong there's.
There's plenty of shit tocomplain about with gmos the
fact that like isn't monsantohas trademarked all of the
genetics of their things, so ifthe seeds blow into someone
else's field, they can sue thatfarmer into non-existence or
just make them grow onlyMonsanto products from now on.
Like that kind of shit, talkabout it for sure, but don't try

(43:25):
to gatekeep nutrition and takegood, healthy food, not the
science Right.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
That's what.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
I'm saying humans.
Healthy food, not the science,right?
That's what I'm saying.
Don't try to take good, healthy, life-saving food out of
people's mouths because you havethis weird naturalistic stigma.
Uh uh, somebody a friend ofmine, um, she goes by morticia
on uh tiktok.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
She's a we've had her .
We've had her she's awesome,she's great and she did a.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
She did a whole video about um, like chicken from a
can.
And she's like people arefreaked out and disgusted by
this and they act like it'sdisease.
And she's like see this littleglob of like yellow goo in there
.
You think it's fermented.
You think it's full of bacteria.
Look, you can melt it in a pan.
If it had fried, it would havebeen bacterial growth.
It melted, which means it'sjust collagen and you're just

(44:10):
adding this problem onto it whenyou don't need to.
This is perfectly safe, healthyfood that's available for people
who need it.
If you live in, if you're in apoor situation, if you need to
keep your food for a long timeyou don't have a refrigerator,
like you need access to meat.
This is perfectly safe, healthyfood that you are shaming
people for eating when it'stotally fucking fine because

(44:31):
you're ignorant.
And it's the same thing withwith, with gmos and with
everything else.
I see it's just like yeah, butit's icky and it didn't come out
of like the.
I didn't buy it from sproutsand I didn't pay three times as
much as I should have for it andI didn't.
You know, I was like whatever,like flip dude, the, the.
The train of bullshit isblowing in somebody's background

(44:53):
the train of bullshit.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
The train of bullshit that was almost a title of our
podcast.
The train of bullshit, wedecided to go with it in
moderation.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
The train of bullshit .
Oh yeah, so yeah, don't, just,don't worry so much.
People ask us all the time,like time, like, oh, what should
we worry about?

Speaker 1 (45:13):
like, a fucking.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
You know spoiled food over consumption of things not
being able to afford food, likeall of those things are bad,
don't worry about your cannedchicken, like it's fine yeah,
there's plenty of shit to beupset about, dude uh, yeah, it's
pretty rough.
Oh, can I ask you?

Speaker 2 (45:32):
factors exist, come on, because there's plenty of
things to be upset about I.
Uh, yeah, it's pretty rough.
Oh, can I ask?
Factors exist, come on, becausethere's plenty of things to be
upset about I love to.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Oh.
So there's like a couple otherthings I don't know if we can
get into, like how much time wehave or whatever, but like I
liked your thing about sayinglike seeds are like wheat.
Is what are you saying?
Seeds are like an uh, not an aflower.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
It's like a seed omelet yeah, yeah, yeah, flower
is basically a powdered omelet.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
Yeah, yeah I like that.
Yeah, yeah, tell people aboutthat oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Yeah, so I've got this video on my on my youtube
channel.
It's just called bread, uh, andit's about bread.
If you like bread, check it out.
Um, it's, it's, and basicallywhat I do is like I just explain
what bread is and how it's madein like purely scientific term,
like really understanding, andit's one of those cool things
like when you really think aboutit, it's fucking gross and

(46:21):
horrible and like that makes itgreat and that's that.
Honestly, that's something thatI love about biology is that
you can look at anything tooclose and be disgusted by it.
And if you haven't, you haven'tthought, if you're not grossed
out by literally everything inbiology, you haven't thought
about enough, and so, likethat's, that's just the best
part.
And so, yeah, seeds um, they'vegot uh, an external uh layer,

(46:46):
this, you know, the outer husk,um, and then they've got this
germ that's like wrapped aroundthem and then you've got this
endosperm that it's basicallylike the yolk or of an egg.
It's just nutrients for theplant embryo to utilize as it's
growing, because the seed isbasically a plant egg.
It's got an embryo in there andit's got all this endosperm in

(47:08):
there to nourish the embryo asit's getting started, sperm in
there to nourish the embryo asit's getting started.
And so what you do when youmake flour unless it's like
whole flour or whatever, likethe half and half germ flour,
whatever if it's just regularold white flour they just break
off the husk and the germ fromthe seed and then they grind it
up.
They grind up all the endospermand you're left with this

(47:28):
powder and it's a powderedomelet.
Except what endosperm is mainlymade of is carbohydrates, and
carbohydrates are just chains ofsugar.
So flour is really justpowdered sugar is what it
actually is, if you think aboutit.
And then you take that and youmix it with water and some
fungus and the fungus eats thesugar and shits out carbon

(47:52):
dioxide and alcohol and thealcohol evaporates out as it's
boiling, as it's cooking, asit's swelling full of fungus,
farts and it's and that'sfucking bread and that's what
you're putting in your body onpurpose.
You're eating that italianrestaurant and they serve it in
cylindrical and you get allexcited because it's real
crunchy on the outside and youand the crunch is just caramel,

(48:15):
because what you've got, you'vestill got a lot of carbohydrates
that this is made out of, andwhen you get those hot, there's
a lot of sugars and proteins.
You go through my arteryactions where those break apart
and reassociate in totallyunpredictable ways, and that is
what caramel is and that's whythe outside of bread is brown,
because that's literallycaramelization that you're
seeing.
And so you have fuckingcaramelized, used to be

(48:39):
alcoholic, fungus fart, inflatedplant sperm powder and that's
you put, that you wrap, that'swhat you make a sandwich out of
and you feel good about yourselfshame on you that's what you
make a sandwich out of and youfeel good about yourself.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
Shame on you.
That's what it is.
I will enjoy every bite of it.
Yes.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Damn fungus.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
The more you think about anything in biology, the
more horrific it becomes, andthat's one of the best parts
about biology.
I love it so much.
I want to do a video on mychannel.
I'm writing it right now.
It's kind of just an idea thatI want to flesh out, hopefully
like next month, maybe.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
I want to talk about, like why you don't eat wasp
honey.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
I'll tell you guys, but don't you and you watching
this, don't tell anybody aboutthis because I want to release a
whole video about it.
The, the you know you thinkabout like regular, like
bumblebee honey, like aso-and-so bee honey, it's, it's
they, they go and they eatnectar and then they you think
about regular bumblebee honey,right Delicious.
Bee honey Sweet.
They go and they eat nectar andthen they vomit up honey Right.
Yeah, it's puke, it's bee puke,wasp honey.

(49:41):
Okay, so consider, wasps don'thave a functional stomach.
Adult wasps, they have the waspwaste.
It gets real narrow in themiddle.
It's what we call the waspwaste.
So they're, they're, you knowthat gets real narrow in the
middle.
It's what we call it a waspwaste.
They don't have a functionalworking like they can't process
their own nutrients in there.
They don't have enough room andso they need an external stomach

(50:03):
in order to process nutrientsfor them.
So they have babies.
They have this hive, this, this, this nest, and they have all
these little compartments inthere and they put a bunch of
babies in there and the littlelarvae have these horrible
little fangs that they scrapealong the inside of the inner
wall of their littlecompartments and that creates a
vibration that the velocitiescan hear that says I'm hungry.
And so they go over to thisscraping fanged larva and they

(50:25):
vomit up whatever they've eateninto that baby.
They go out into the world,they eat their omnivores, they
eat plants, they eat meat, theydo whatever they find and they
come back and they puke it upinto the baby.
The baby the larva digests itand whatever is extra nutrients
that it can't utilize, that itjust has extra.
It pukes that up into this wadof sticky, nutrient-rich goo

(50:48):
that the adult wasps come anddrink and that's how they get
their nourishment it's doublevomit because they need an
external stomach, and so theyuse their children for it.
Imagine, if you will, a world inwhich you, with your child,
liam uh, you go out and you eata big mac and then you come home
and you stopped and you, like abird mother, regurgitate the

(51:12):
Big Mac into your child and then, after a few hours, just ring
the Big Mac back out of yourchild and consume that after
it's already been partiallydigested.
That's how the wasps do andlike I think it's very efficient
.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
It's phenomenally efficient.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
It's horrifically efficient.
It is some eight like Geiger,esque, shit.
That is an absolute fuckingnightmare and like the more you
think about it, the worse itgets and I want to talk about
that on the internet and I haveto figure out a way to get like
stock footage for that.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
I could not help you with that, but I do have this
idea.
But so can we eat it, though.
Can we eat the goo?

Speaker 2 (51:54):
or do you want to how do you harvest it?
Okay, listen hear me out herehear me out here.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
So b so, so, so so, honey is b vomit, right.
So that's one puked.
That's, that's one puke that'sone single but I feel like
double is usually better, like,like you know, one twice baked
potato, twice baked potato.
Great example, yeah, so then,double cooked pork honey, double
baked honey, double, doublevomited whatever it is double

(52:21):
puked honey.
Double puked, isn't that twiceas good Is, couldn't?

Speaker 2 (52:24):
I don't, I don't want to think about if it is.
I'm not saying we want to thinkabout it, but I can say but
what I can also tell you is thatthe composition would be
entirely different.
It wouldn't be sweet, I cantell you that much it was.
Certainly it certainly wouldn'tbe, because it's it's, it's
whatever the fuck the wasp waseating it's not just nectar.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
Could we feed the wasp hypothetically just sugar,
like, just like very sweetthings, and then have the baby
eat the sweet things and thenpuke up the sweet things again.
So it's doubly puked upsweetness.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
I hate how much sense that made.
That makes sense, that's right.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Like okay, so if we could farm, we have to farm
wasps.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
You need farmed wasps and you need to see, because
they don't they don't store thedouble puke for the future like
bees do, which means you need tocollect it as it happens.
So you need a series of tinypipettes, and and very patient
and and like somebody who's ontop of these fucking larvae and
just like watching them.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
So we have to connect a little pipette from each
larvae, like in the little youknow whatever it is and then
kind of like we just add suction, like so okay, so we have one
vacuum.
That's like pulling constantly,and then that brand branches
off into a bunch of littlebipeds that all have a constant
vacuuming.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
So you can't take.
You can't take too much,because they need it to live.
Yeah, fuck, so you can onlyhave the vacuum on half the time
every other.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
You need a vacuum dedicated to each cell babies
puke up, like directly back intothe, like the, the adult wasp
or does it?

Speaker 2 (53:57):
no, it just kind of bubbles up and it stays there
until they come.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
You have a window.
You have a window to collect itokay, so we just okay, so we
need to get we.
So, yes, like, normally, wildcaught good, wild caught bad.
In this situation we need farms, so we need to farm these wasps
Get only.
I mean, can they eat sugar?
I'm assuming they can just like, eat like if they can eat
anything, they can just eatsugar, certainly.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Could you get different?

Speaker 3 (54:18):
types of sugar, like coconut sugar, and then it would
have a coconut-y like flavor,like extra minerals.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Well, I don't know if that would translate, because,
like it's like sugar is sugar issugar.
But at the end of the day thatthat I don't know if it's like.
Those coconuts are going to usea different isomer so they're
going to be all about like thatfructose life.
But I think it's the extraother, it's the tannins and the
other shit in the coconut thatgives it the flavor.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Well, yeah, so I was thinking well not the flavor,
because it's like coconut, butlike they have minerals in all
fairness.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
Like if we're talking about bee honey, like, like you
know, but orange blossom honeydoes taste a little differently
than like wild, right, exactly.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
So there's got to be something different sugar things
so that you'd have to it wouldbe a lot of trial and error and
then, like a blueberry, wasphoney versus because you
wouldn't want to add the flavorin afterwards.
That's just cheating.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
You'd want the natural get the fuck out of here
with that that's just like youknow, he's trying to do the fake
stuff that people like you knowartificial dyes, yeah, they
just put honey in and they sayit's five and it's a wasp.
No, we work for this wasp.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
fucking honey here, not like honey, honey flavored
syrup from McDonald's type ofthing.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
Yeah, OK you guys figure this out.
I'll get on the phone with Kimthug.
We'll figure out a name andmarketing for this would be good
.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
So yeah, then we just suck it up and then we just
like yeah, and then, so you knowyou have like different types
of wasp honey you knock down thewasp nest over your door.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Outside you're knocking down a gold mine.
Y'all like this is.
This is your chance now toreinvent the wheel.
You could.
You could be the next big thingoh, what a horrible world we
live in, but that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
But you are, as you said.
Everything's already disgusting, so you have to lean into the
disgust in order to besuccessful with this.
Yeah, that's the best.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
That's the best part about you were about to be on a
podcast with a guy that spentlike 10 minutes one podcast
wondering what a nose wouldtaste like what a nose would
taste like oh yeah, I did wonderthat nose lungs.
What else did you?
Well, yeah well he was justlike what does this human body
part?

Speaker 3 (56:21):
taste right, because the nose is like you know, it's
not like you know, there's nolike real bones or whatever,
like it's the cartilage, likeyour ears and your nose like
that's a different is that likekind of like pig feet you, you
think Like is it like I wouldthink low and slow for something
like that You'd have to breakdown.
It's a little like you knowcollagenist or whatever.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
it is like you have to Collagenistic.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
That's a word.
You have to.
You have to do a low, so youcan't like sear this.
You know what I'm saying.
Like it just wouldn't, it wouldseize up.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
I think you'd need to .
Just if you just have cartilageand collagen from a thing, it's
not going to taste good, it'sjust going to taste taste like
slime.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Well, I mean, you obviously have to season it like
you can't just like, do nothing, but well, that's going to
taste like seasonings.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
You were on.
You were on the right trackwhen you said pigs feed, because
humans do taste like pork andso like whatever you think is
going to come out of that iswhat it tastes like.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
Is that true?
So humans kind of taste like?
Is that the closest thing likeif for whatever, animal you're
eating to a human.
My understanding is that on theblack market.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Market.
Human meat is known as long pigbecause we are very poor
creatures and and I can tell you, understanding right, I, I mean
I, can tell you um.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
So I've, I've, I've dissected a lot of humans.
I've never tasted one, but likeI've, I've, I've cut a lot of
opportunity when?
Well, I mean, it was full offormaldehyde.
So maybe not, but when a bodyisn't well preserved, and I can
see some of the literally rawmeat in there like that is what
it looks like the most in myopinion, and so like like that's

(57:55):
, that's, that's definitely whatit resembles in color and
texture, and so, like I wouldimagine something similar to
that, but I don't know.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
I mean, we all have these thoughts.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
I'm just open enough to be like hey I want to know
what like I would want to try Iwould want to try a monkey,
because I don't think thatthere's any place that's going
to serve me an ape like.
I don't think there's any placethat would cook up like a a
gorilla or a um, a chimpanzee,but surely there's some places
that you can get like some sortof monkey that's like I'm trying

(58:24):
to think of how how close tohuman could you taste?
because that at that time wouldjust be like bushmeat.
So you'd have to figure out anethical way to source it.
Um, but like we're all aboutethics here, that's what is it?
And that is like poached,poached meat, but meat from
poachers of just random wildanimals that people want to try.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
That's bushmeat, right am I thinking if I was
going to eat a human, I wouldeat a poacher itself, because
like those ones that like huntlions and shit like, that?

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Because fuck those guys, right?
Yeah, fuck those guys.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
When I was in the Amazon.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
We had poachers go by where we were camped and like
it was just like everybody, getdown, stay quiet, because if
they see you they will shoot you.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
Yeah, fuck those like they.
They cut horns off likerhinoceroses and shit and like
take that, like fuck them.
Like I got no, I got nosympathy.
So if I was to eat a human, Ithink that they would be up
there.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
OK, so I thought Bushmeat specifically spoke to
like things that were likepoached and problematic.
Excuse me, I'm real burpishright now.
According to the Wikipedia thisfountain of truth that is
wikipedia bushmeat is meat fromwildlife species that are hunted
for human consumption and itactually isn't just for from
from poaching.
It represents a primary sourceof animal protein and cash
earning commodity for poor andrural communities and human

(59:39):
tropical foreign regions of theworld.
I think that might be a bitreductionist, but apparently
it's.
It's all over the place andit's just so.
I apologize for speakingdisparagingly of it, um, but I
would still say that I don'tknow of any way to ethically
source monkey, um, but like oh,that's great oh, before we
grass-fed, grass-fed, free rangemonkey farms out there gosh

(01:00:05):
arms monkey farm.
I played that game, monkey farmum, it is illegal to import this
into the united states.
Monkey meat found at thecountry's border will be seized
and destroyed by customs agents,so this doesn't have anything
to do with nutrition.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Before we go, because we were talking about monkeys,
I wanted, I want you to tellpeople, because this is
something I see a lot, um, notunlike the nutrition side.
This is just totally different.
But why haven't, I don't know,monkeys evolved into humans?
This is something I see, youknow, like where, where?

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
are you located?
Columbus ohio?
That's gonna be a long walk forme to come kick your ass.
That's, that's.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
That's gonna be tough , that going to be a long walk
for me to come kick your ass.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
That's going to be tough.
That is going to be a long walk.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
This is something I see a lot, and it always makes
me laugh, and I just need you tokind of explain to people why
other animals haven't evolvedinto humans.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Yeah.
So what this is?
This is a problem of what'scalled orthogenic thinking.
So orthogenesis is the ideathat evolution has like a
direction as an end goal, plan,yeah, yeah, and that humans are
that goal, yes, um, and so it'swhy I hate it's called the
zallinger diagram.
Whenever you see, like thepicture of like the monkey that

(01:01:17):
like levels up slowly into ahuman, like pokemon, that kind
of thing, that's originally.
That's from a, a drawing calledthe march of progress by a guy
named rudolph zallinger it wasfor like life magazine back in
the day and like that symbol ofevolution has sown so much
fucking doubt and and confusion,because that's what people
think it is.
It's just, eventually thingswill be as cool as humans or

(01:01:41):
they'll be like humans, andthat's not how selection
pressure works.
So remember, evolution isdriven by selection pressure,
which is to say, if you do this,you die, if you don't do that,
you die.
So selection pressure is thecause of differential survival
and reproduction within apopulation in whatever their
specific environment is, andbecause it's environmentally

(01:02:02):
specific and because it'sspecies specific, and because
it's environmentally specificand because it's species
specific and really populationspecific that it changes from
one thing to the next.
What people don't understand isthat there's no one right way
to evolve.
When you gain fitness in oneenvironment, you are necessarily
losing fitness and environmentin another environment.
The better you get at being agorilla, the worse you are at

(01:02:25):
being a great white shark.
The same selection pressurethat would be positive for one
species would be negative foranother species.
Say, for example, avocadosGiant ground sloths used to eat
avocados, still eat avocados,and avocado is going to kill a

(01:02:46):
dog or a parrot that eats it.
It's very toxic to them.
So having this as a selectionpressure to say, I have access
to this resource, which isavocados, and I can eat these
and gain nutrients and I can nowsurvive and reproduce better
this is positive selectionpressure for me, negative
selection pressure for a dog, um, or a parrot or whatever else
that can't eat this stuff, samewith chocolate.

(01:03:11):
With human evolution, especiallyover the last 2.6 or so million
years, especially then, we'vebeen leaning really hard into
toolmaking.
The first tools that we see inthe fossil record that are for
sure tools are about 2.6 millionyears old and those are what we
call the old one tools.
There are some other ones thatare a lot earlier than that.

(01:03:33):
We call Lamequi the Lamequiantool complex.
I'm not a fan for that.
There's just not a lot ofstrong evidence to suggest that
these were actually tools in myopinion yet, but they exist.
But who cares to suggest thatthese were actually tools, in my
opinion, yet?
But they exist, but who cares?
The point is for sure starting2.6 million years ago, we have
the species Homo habilis who isnow making stone tools.
They break a rock with anotherrock and now they have a sharper

(01:03:56):
rock and they can use thatsharp rock to crack open bones
and scoop out bone marrow andthey can more easily deflesh and
process carrion that they'reable to find out in the wild and
they're able to eat this meat.
They now have access to betterresources and that fuels brain
development.
This is now selection pressure.
The people who can make thebest tools have the most food

(01:04:19):
and the most nourishing food ofany other ape on the savannah.
You get about a million yearsfurther than that.
A million years or so after that, you have homo erectus pops up
about 1.8 million years ago.
And homo erectus remarkablediscovery they figured out.
You can sharpen, get this bothsides of the rock, uh, and
there's where you get theashulian tools, where you have

(01:04:40):
these hand axes, these bigchopping things, and we see a
lot more meat processing, a lotmore bone marrow action going on
.
All this really cool stuff.
And then you skip forwardanother you know million or so
years and you have all theseamazing like diversity of
industrial complexes, ofdifferent types of tools as
different populations split.
The Neanderthals had reallycool tools that were unique,

(01:05:01):
that were different than theones that, like we made, and all
these, and as you lookespecially over you know Homo
sapiens history we have allsorts of different, increasingly
complex and interesting stonetools.
We made better tools, whichgave us access to better
resources, which gave us biggerbrains, which allowed us to
develop bigger tools, which gaveus access to better resources,
which gave us bigger brains,which gave us better tools, and

(01:05:21):
loop and loop, and loop, on andon and on.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
These days we have a lot of really big tools.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
That's yeah, and and and.
That's.
The thing is that, like we andthere's even some evidence that
tool making had a geneticcomponent to it, which isn't
unheard of considering howbehavioral evolution works um
and so like, this right here isa direct and like like
descendant of the very first oldone chopping rocks 2.6 million

(01:05:47):
years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
This is a tool, which is a phone, for anyone
listening.
Yes, yeah, sorry I should.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
I forgot we were doing audio too.
But like, yeah, that might thecell phone that you're, the
earbuds in your ears at thismoment, the car you're driving
in listening to this, whateverit may be.
You look at the, the mostadvanced and incredible
technology around you vaccines,and and we have a fucking
helicopter on mars that for along time, that just died
recently, like that, the voyager, one spacecraft that's flying

(01:06:17):
out of our solar system rightnow.
There's a direct line betweenthat and a fucking ape on the
savannah that picked up a rockand smacked open a bone and so
like.
When you ask, why didn't otheranimals, you know, go this
direction?
Well, they didn't have to.
That wasn't a part of theirstory.
No one's more evolved thananybody else the, the.

(01:06:39):
If something is alive today, itis as evolved as every other
thing, because that's howevolution works.
As long as there's reproduction, there's evolution.
There's copying errors, there'schanges in the allele
frequencies and the inheritedcharacteristics of a population.
When we look at humans gettingbigger, brains gave us access to
better resources.
Tools gave us access to betterresources.

(01:07:00):
What we do today gives usaccess to better resources.
This is how we are evolving andhow we have been evolving for a
very long time.
Meanwhile, in the amazonrainforest there's a boa
constrictor that really doesn'twant a fucking smartphone but
would do much better.
Just squeezing a rat andconsuming that rat and having
stone tools does not give it anymore access to any more part of

(01:07:23):
that rat and that's notnecessary and so like that's,
that's just.
And you look, you think itmight be some big leap to use a
rock for these things.
It absolutely is not.
You look at you know anon-human primates.
Today there are monkeys thatuse rocks to crack open nuts.
That's exactly the same thingwe use uh see chimpanzees who
use sticks to fish for termites.

(01:07:44):
That's exactly the same thing.
We see monkeys that use bigballs of moss to soak up water
like a sponge.
They can carry water with themand drink it more easily.
That's exactly the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
So let me ask you something.
Yeah, go ahead.
So let me just ask yousomething there.
Would you then consider thesepeople that are like all about
our ancestors and acting likeour ancestors?
Would they be anti-humanancestors and acting like our
ancestors?

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
would they be anti-human.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
Would they be against human?
No, not at all.
Not at all, because doing dumbshit is the most human thing
there is.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
That was the perfect answer.
That's a very good answer,because it always seems to be
going back and I'm like well,the whole thing is this helped
us get future, get into the, getinto where we currently are,
where things are.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
Yeah, how many millennia ago did we start
splitting open rocks andinjecting things?
Yeah, exactly yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
That's.
That's when it really all wentdownhill.
Yeah no, it is hard and likethat's, it drives me up a wall
really, when people we talked alot about medical misinformation
in the show and things likethat.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
And like when people say oh well, well people, you
know what?

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
what did they do before vaccines, and what did
they do?

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
before antibiotics.
And what did they fucking died,they died, they died.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
Beth, I don't know what you want from me right now
like seven billion or whateverit is like.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
That's a lot more I just just use use the incredible
technology that you arecurrently disavowing to look up
what survivorship bias is andlearn a thing like that's.
But what?
What do these planes do beforewe put armor on them?
Look, they all came back withonly some damage to the wings.
They're totally fine yes that'show it works yeah, I, that's.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
That's why it's incredibly frustrating that all
this like oh, just go, like our,what we, what humans, can pass
you along your genes.
Right, that's the, that's thegoals.
Like pass along your genes andkeep going.
Keep going, you're, you're,you're race.
Like I've had a child, I'm done.
Now it's over.
Like it does.
So when we go back to look likehow do we live into our 80s,
let's look at our ancestors, forthat that doesn't tell us any.

(01:09:43):
Like that's that's you know.
We need to look at current,where we currently are and how
you can live to your 80s and behealthy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
Uh, you know and, and you know, we learn that from
the best evidence in biomedicalscience, not from well, my
grandpappy lived to the age ofof 500, we eat nothing but
Listerine and Rolos andtherefore I know this is what we
have to do.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
That's not how it works.
I just needed to get youfrustrated with me on that
subject, because normally I rantat the end of the podcast about
how frustrating something is,so I need somebody else to also
get frustrated at the same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
That's what I'm here for.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
That's what I'm here for.
That's what I'm here for, ohman, so yeah, that's why.
That's why other things haven'tevolved into humans, just so
you know yes, it's, it's yourfault, it's because they all.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
Yeah, it's because we all got vaccines and and and
ate processed GMO foods.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
And that started using sunscreen.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
Yes, and that's precluded.
Did our ancestors havesunscreen?
No, no.
They didn't die of skin cancer,did they?
I mean, yeah, they died.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
Not a single one of them.
No, no, they didn't.
You're right, they didn't livelong enough to get skin cancer.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
They died of a two-night infection long before
they died of skin cancer.
Don't see your dentist.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
Yeah, I love the sunscreen one, just because they
show pictures of 100 years ago.
It's like what did these peopledo?
They didn't wear sunscreen.
They're all wearing hats andlong sleeves.

Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
Well, I guess there's that too.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Yeah, oh shit, it turns out the sun's been a
problem and it's been here thewhole time.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
Hmm, like the sun is just like a a bomb, just like a
hydrogen bomb, basically like,apparently that's good, though,
basically that's just prettymuch what it is.
Yeah, it's a fucking bomb inthe sky, but yeah we're like
soaking like you know that areabetween your butthole and your
genitals.
Make sure you get that to yourson as much as possible.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Get that, that taint exposure y'all perineum sun
exposure.
It cures all diseases.
Oh, woe be to those with tinytaints that they cannot absorb
the blessed radiation video.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
He was like he went to a baby food section and he's
just like you ever wonder whytesticle shrinking.
Testicles are shrinking, taintsare tinking, shrinking, damn it
because taints are shrinkingbecause of the plastic.
That's the baby.
Food is in it's so good.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
I want to see the study on shrinking taints.
I was.
I want that source cited who'sout?
Here with the tape measure isexactly what I was gonna.
And also, where did they drawthe conclusion that
microplastics are directlyrelated to the size of my or

(01:12:45):
anyone else's taint?
It's so good, but it's so goodfor a fuse, though Does it also
impact flavor?

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
I want to know oh gosh, so where can people find
you to learn more aboutshrinking taints that you're
going to look up Right here?

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
I'm not going anywhere.
We're going to solve thismystery together here.
I'm not going anywhere.
We're gonna solve this mysterytogether.
The?
Uh.
You can find me on theminternets, y'all, uh, go, go, uh
.
Go to my website, valkylabscom.
Um.
Subscribe to me on the yubitubies, um, if you like, uh,
helping people and also tabletopgaming.

(01:13:23):
I'm doing a really cool charitything right now called Roll for
Initiative.
A bunch of my friends and I gottogether and we played about 36
hours of a game called Tales ofthe Valiant, which is similar
to D&D, if you know what that'sall about.
And it's all to raise money forDoctors Without Borders,
because they're the ones on theground right now saving lives in
Palestine and Ukraine andSudanemen and congo and other

(01:13:45):
crisis zones all around theworld.
So we are supporting the realheroes in the world by playing
some fantasy heroes in a funlittle game.
So if you like tabletop gamingstuff, uh, go watch that.
I play the ever cursed drvictor vindica, um, and uh.
We've got an amazing cast, anamazing show, we're telling an
amazing story and episode 11comes out this week, which will

(01:14:06):
be but I'd like you to come outthe day before this podcast
comes out, I believe.
So tune into that and and enjoyit it's, it's a really cool
series and we're raising moneyfor a really great cause.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
And now you know next time you can invite, wouldn't
be a character He'd be playingLiam.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
The man who is as concerned about the tastes of
noses as he is about the lengthof taints.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
The wasp vomit.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
The hero we all need, I think wasp vomit is first on
my interest, but the other onesare close behind it.
Love that you could be.
A wasp vomit is first on myinterest, but the other ones are
close behind it.
Love that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
You can be a wasp mancer.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Wasp mancer.
I cast wasps.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
It tastes like whatever they ate.
Yeah, god.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
So gross.
No, what a show.

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
Yeah, got an hour, a little over an hour there.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Yep, Though did we end it already.
Was that it?
We didn't?

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
even say goodbye.
Oh, you can say goodbye.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
Oh no, Thanks so much for tuning in.
This was you.
You listen to it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
You listen to it on purpose.

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
You have no one to blame but yourself.
You listen to it on purpose.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
K-bye, k-bye.
Come back next week, or don't.
I'm not a cop.

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