From Teen Struggles to Fitness Guru: James Cappola on Busting Supplement Myths & Diet Trends

From overweight teen to fitness guru, our special guest James Cappola shares his remarkable journey, peppered with humor and hard-earned wisdom. James opens up about how he turned his struggles with weight into a passion for fitness coaching, using meal planning and cooking as therapeutic tools. Join us as we laugh about the absurdity of outdated diet trends like the blood type diet, all while gaining insight from James's empathetic and educational approach to health and wellness.

Get ready to bust some myths about sports supplements in our spirited chat. We cut through the noise to discuss which supplements are truly beneficial, like protein powder and creatine, while expressing caution towards some pre-workout formulas. With a nod to popular brands and flavors, we stress the importance of personal preference and budget over rigid supplement rules. Our conversation even takes a nostalgic turn as we reminisce about the evolution of supplement regulations and the infamous Jack 3D.

Nutrition controversies take center stage as we dissect societal pressures around healthy eating, especially with the launch of Lunchly by Logan Paul and Mr. Beast. We tackle the irony of health influencers critiquing diet sodas while ignoring larger lifestyle contradictions, and we confront the misinformation rampant in the wellness industry. From the absurd claims proliferated by charismatic influencers to the everyday misconceptions about sugar and processed foods, we aim to foster a more informed and thoughtful discourse on nutrition and wellness.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Well, I guess we'll just.
We should probably start withpodcast or whatever here.
So, because there was somethingI was going to like, something
I was going to touch on, withthat, I think I have a vague
idea.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
OK, it's, it's all fucked up the light bulb slowly
forming in there.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
And I'll tell you I just it's been, it's, it's been
a fucking week.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Oh, welcome to in moderation, where we just slowly
gather ideas until somethingpops, holy shit Like.
Welcome to in moderation wherewe just slowly gather ideas
until something pops holy shitlike welcome to in moderation.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
We've all had a week like that's what I feel like
yeah, that's it, yeah, oh goshwelcome to episode I.
I couldn't even fucking tellyou like we had episode 50 at
some point, so I know it's afterthat and then that's all I got
are we finally up to 69?
I don't even know what I hadfor breakfast.
Oh wait, I remember it was acouple spoonfuls of things my

(00:49):
wife made my daughter before Ihad to film and then run out the
door.
That's right, delicious.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Oh shit Our our episode.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Right before this, uh James was, uh me talking about
how I'm trying to still eathealthy ish while doing all this
other stuff, and it's a fuckingmess.
Like what do you do?
Like I know you're busy, areyou just like grabbing shit or
like you actually trying to?

Speaker 2 (01:10):
so lunch, lunch has been bear bell and premier
protein yeah that's, that's yourprotein bar or shake.
So so the premier protein,pumpkin spice 30 gram-gram, one
with a bear bell.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
So if you get a, bit of protein.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
You have to see pumpkin spice ones up here, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Surprise Dinner.
We do takeout twice a week.
I cook the other nightBreakfast.
I always have the same thing.
That's pretty good.
It's only twice a week.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
So you're cooking five days.
What do you cook?
You've got to pick somethingweek, so you're doing like
you're cooking five days.
What do you?
What do you cook?
What's it like?
What do you got to pick?
So I'm sure you're pickingsomething that's like easier.
What do?

Speaker 2 (01:48):
you chicken, marcella , braised short ribs.
I can break your braisedsausage.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Yeah, damn.
Ok, that's pretty good, that'sbetter.
That's fucking better than Igot.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
I was going that's fucking better than I got.
I I was gonna have a rap withpart of the reason why I
improved my relationship withfood so much as I really really
got into cooking.
So I glamorized it, I put onfrank sinatra and dean martin.
I turned the kitchen into mylab.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
I like that, just have fun yeah that's awesome.
Yeah, like okay, what got?
Yeah, so when you startedgetting into cooking, like what
kind of helped you was justplaying music and stuff like
that, other things that kind ofgot you more interested.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, I make a thing out of it like, like, like my
dog is just sitting over thereand I'm just dancing around the
kitchen.
I'm cutting up garlic andshallots.
I know exactly what I'm gonnamake and I clean as I go and
it's efficient and I teach myclients how to do it and like it
it.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
We need some behind-the-scenes footage of
this dancing around the kitchen.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Sure, get you and Tammy together Same video.
Oh, that's funny.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
I love it For those who don't know you, perhaps you
should introduce yourself.
And Tammy, sure, sure.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
I'm James Coppola.
You might know me from myInstagram, james Coppola, or
TikTok jcopolafitcoach.
One of my employees is Tammy,who looks a lot like me with
longer hair.
She's a great asset.
I run a coaching business withmy wife.

(03:27):
I've been doing this for over18 years in person for 15,
online for three and I just callout bullshit, just like these
two, and I just want to makesure that people know that
there's a safe and efficient wayto do this without driving
yourself nuts, and I try toteach them in a fun and
educating way that long, huheight.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
You said 18 years.
Yeah, that's, yeah, that'scrazy so what got you?
So so like let me ask what gotyou kind of into fitness and
then what made you go, like letme go on, uh, fucking social
media, that that sounds fun.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
So, uh, uh, your typical obese kid who got jacked
.
Um, I had ADHD and just otherthings about me that I thought
that were like shortcomings andstuff, but I was good at getting

(04:22):
jacked, I was good at gettingstrong and I figured, let me
just you're saying you're anendomorph.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Is that because we're doing, body types are real and
an absolute thing?

Speaker 2 (04:30):
right, right, right, right, and I ate for my blood
type bro, the blood type die isback.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
I'm getting tagged in more videos and I'm like I love
it, I love they all just circlearound and I'm like great, oh,
you're a positive, we'll stopeating chicken because that will
kill you.
Fucking great, I love.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Anyway, go ahead and something that I've always had,
I think probably because mymother, I had an intrinsic need
to help people who needed help.
Like I remember, like I was sofriend zoned with a lot of girls

(05:05):
in like middle school and stuff, but they would like call me
when they were like stressed out, right, and I would just oh, I
feel that right like I didn'thave a shot in hell, but I was
there for advice and they'restill calling me to this day for
the advice.
And I just always had that partabout me.

(05:27):
So the empathy, teaching people, having patience with people
that part always came easy.
I just channeled it intofitness, right Okay.
And once I realized that Icould combine the two, I just

(05:47):
dove headfirst.
And then, because I didn'tthink much of myself, that's how
all the eating disordersstarted and all my self-worth
went into my body and what Iperceived fitness to be.
But thank God, there wassomething in my brain that knew
like, oh, you're a little fuckedup, don't apply this to your
clients.
And I didn't.
I think the worst that I didwas I told my clients at some

(06:07):
point, like not to use coffeecreamer, like that was like the
most I did.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
And that's kind of like the lightest of the grocery
store walkers, like that's kindof like right right, right,
right, and I'm so thankful forthat.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
And I became the top trainer at my gym in my hometown
after I got my degree inexercise science and the ceiling
was so low I was like, allright, I got to go to the city
and then I went to Crunch andthen within a year, I was
managing the club that I joined.

(06:42):
And then I managed another clubon park avenue and then I was a
master trainer like a gymmanager.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
What do you do?

Speaker 2 (06:52):
you manage a lot of babies, you manage a lot of
babies and some good trainersthere is.
There is one.
There's one guy who spokepretty good english, who just
wasn't good, so I fired him andhe didn't understand me.
He showed up to work that nightand I'm like okay, so I had to
fire him again.

(07:13):
Um, and like this is why I seethrough so many people online,
because I see so many peoplethat I fired right, like the
master trainers, the jacked oneswho just got the job from just
being there for X amount of time.
They would like take off theirshirt.
They would text while a clientwas like needed a spot.

(07:35):
They would end a session earlyso that they can get to their
meal prep.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
So what?
Okay, then give us, becauseyou've had a lot of experience
with it.
Then right, so give us thequalities of a good trainer,
like when you have a trainerlike I like Jim.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Cause he doesn't have a problem Didn't have a problem
with authority.
Did not have a problem withauthority.
I had no problem coming to meand taking instruction.
They were humble, even if therewere a lot more Jack than me,
respected the chain just like Idid I wasn't better than anyone,
right, um?
And they showed up to meetingson time.
They showed up to the clientson time.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
They, they, they were dependable and you could see
that they actually cared so whatabout the ones I was gonna say,
what about from the, from theclient perspective?
Like and say if someone youknow, someone listening to this,
is like I'm looking for apersonal trainer.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Like, if you're really good.
If you're really good, youcould see the clients just like
melt when they're about to likeshow up, like with their trainer
, like, hey, I'm here andthey're just getting dressed and
they're so happy and they'rejust waiting at the front desk
for their trainer, Right deskfor their trainer right and just
like that just come from, likepersonality of the trainer.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
They just enjoy being around them, just talking with
them, that sort of thing makingthe gym enjoyable for them yeah,
they don't just say do fivesets of this.
I'm gonna go text.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Uh, sheila, and I'll be back right, right, right, but
you gotta be texting sheilaevery 10 minutes, or else she
goes on to somebody else we alland the the master training rate
at crunch was around like 150 asession or so and you could

(09:17):
tell the ones who really likecared, who never really wanted
like a bargain on the price andthey wanted to make sure that
the trainers got paid their fullrate, who they like appreciated
.
But if there was like a pieceof shit trainer or something,
they're like what's what's likethe lowest like rate, like you
got if I'm gonna renew again andthat was kind of a tell for me
that they're not deliveringgreat service interesting

(09:40):
because I've never managed adick, so I don't know like
anything about that stuff itsounds terrible, it is, and
there's some managers who Ihated.
There's some managers who Ihated because what happens is
there's level one, two, three,elite and master.
For the training levels, when Ifirst joined I was elite, but

(10:02):
you don't become master untilyou're there for three years.
And what the managers didbecause each month you had a
quarter to hit they would gettheir master clients, which
again were around 150 uh session, and then behind their back,

(10:23):
they would sell 100 sessions atlike level three and that would
cut their pay in half persession oh, okay so they were
like, hey, we needed to hit goal, thank you for doing that.
And they're like all right.
Well, you just like fucked me.
And yeah, with, with, with thepark avenue.

(10:44):
I had a smaller team and therewas a lot of master trainers.
I said, look, I don't do thatshit, you are going to stand by
your rate.
But if you're going to stand byyour rate, you all have to
deliver top-notch service.
And we actually broke a salesrecord that's never been beaten.
Wow, I mean, granted, that clubshut down, but technically that

(11:05):
still stands.
Don't leave.
Leave that part out.
What the fuck are you doing?
I know, I know I'll cut thatpart out and editing.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Yeah, we can edit that part out so james, now
that's a crazy record.
Uh, so then you, you did, youjust kind of get, you know, like
frustrated with that, or youjust like something I just want
something new.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Eventually, I knew that it was just money, money,
money.
And I'm like uh, screw, screwyou guys.
Man, I just yes, I know, I knowhitting goal is important, I
know that we do need to get paidand stuff, but like capitalism,
capitalism, baby.
That's what it's about it wasjust so like in all like the
managing meetings it was justall about like revenue and stuff

(11:47):
and like there's no likesuccess stories or anything like
that, and just took every ittook all the fun out of it.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
So they have success stories, they just post them.
They just like post those onthe front to get people in look
at this a v shred.
Look at all our transformationsthat we've accomplished we also
had to sell.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Each trainer had to sell 500 a month in supplements
and just push bullshit downtheir throat about aminos and
nutrition timing oh yeah, fivehundred dollars a month, okay,
like, okay, 30 days, that's I.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
That's not true, like I feel like I could do that.
I mean that sucks that you know?
No, no, you can't, you're likeit, just if, if, if your clients
believe you and trust you andeverything it's easy but then,
yeah, you kind of have to takethat and be like you know what's
really good bcaa's that'sbetter than protein, like I yep,
I wouldn't be able to do it.
By the way, anyone listeningBCAAs, skip those.

(12:45):
That's not just EAAs.
Bcaas Don't touch them.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
You're here, james right.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
What sports supplements?
What's worth it?
What's worth it?
People fucking always askProtein, protein, protein powder
.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Creatine monohydrate yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Magnesium, you think magnesium?
Okay, I get that sometimes.
Yeah, magnesium, you thinkMaggie's, okay, I get that
sometimes.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Uh, any form, just get whatever.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Uh, I always say to people like yeah, yeah.
That's usually what I hear.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
And the reason why I take pre.
I don't think that pre-workoutis a requirement.
The reason why I take it isbecause once I take it, I'm like
, well, I guess I'm working outlike I can't be sucked into work
.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
I can't like are you a beta alanine guy?
Are you a beta alanine guy?
No, no good, I fucking hatethat shit if everybody listening
to alanine is the thing thatgives you the tingly feeling.
It makes everything tingle.
Some people like that becauseit makes them want to move and
work out, which I understand,but it makes me feel like

(13:48):
there's like worms trying toburrow out of my face.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
No, no.
And if you're ever in asituation where you got
sidetracked, you forgot that youhad an obligation and you took
beta alanine, it's the worst.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Oh fuck that it sucks .
What's iterek for?
More plates, more dates, callsit the itchy butthole complex,
which is because it just givesyou an itchy butthole.
I'm like, yeah, I don't.
So yeah, pre-workout like Ithink it's fine.
You know it really.
Just look at the caffeinelevels uh, you know because,
everybody's different and youknow maybe 100 milligrams is
fine.
Some people like closer to 300,which I think is kind of high.

(14:19):
But you know that's what theyworks for them.
So just you kind of have tofind what works for you in that.
Um, any brands that you like,you like unbiasedly or like.
That's not, I like that uh,gorilla and legion yeah, legion
and what was, and gorilla and uhgorilla.

(14:39):
I do like gorilla mode isprobably what I use, because
when I when I did, it wasbecause it didn't have beta
alanine in it.
That's what I liked about it.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah, and as far as protein, I think Iso 100 is just
delicious.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Okay, iso 100.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Or May.
Chocolate Is that the one thathas like.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Dymatize, yes, dymatize, because they got like
fruity pebbles and shit.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
They got a bunch of different flavors that are fun
yeah, the dunkin donuts is awful.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
I mean, I don't like that much to begin with, but the
protein flavor is awfulsometimes I feel like the
brand's um collabs get a littleout of hand, you know, yes, and
they're like but now both of youget the fuck out of here.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Did did you guys use either jack 3d or like ultimate
orange back in the day?

Speaker 1 (15:27):
no, I can't say that I have.
What are those?

Speaker 2 (15:30):
oh so jack 3d got taken off the market because
they found like it's basicallylegit like meth okay so it
worked yes, very much so.
And like ultimate orange wasjust like.
I think it was like double theamount of like caffeine.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
That's what's like regulated now oh yeah, because
it's like 400 is like the mostyou're supposed to have in a day
and generally they cap around300 or 350 and some companies
are like just take two scoopsand it's 600, like oh yeah
something like that wouldn'thave even made it into canada,
because our caffeine limit islower than your guys's, is it?
yeah, probably it's fair,honestly doesn't it great that,

(16:11):
like the grocery store walkersare always like this is toxic
and stuff, and I'm like and thenthe caffeine.
I'm like caffeine is gonnafucking kill you before like any
of this other.
Yeah, god damn, no, I say thatall the time.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
When someone mentions glyphosate, I'm like, yeah,
you'll reach a tax limit ofcaffeine first, but you're not
gonna stop drinking coffee.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, all right, like yeah, so okay, so those are the
supplements, right, anything.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
So you said protein, you know creatine, maybe
pre-workout magnesium yeah,that's pretty much what I stick
with, and of course, just barsand they're ready to go shakes,
but I don't really think I needanything else personally yeah, I
mean, you don't really need anyof it, but those are the things
.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
It's kind of like what's worth it?
You know, people always ask melike what's worth?
it is what works for you and youknow, if you like it, like what
about this, what about thatlike, do you like it?
Can you afford it?
Then, fucking dope, like.
I'm not here to tell you, Ijust can.
I just say I find it so.
I think it's because peoplecome from these grocery store
walkers where they have allthese rules about like this is
fine, that's not fine, this isfine, this is kind of fine and

(17:08):
this might be fine, but notreally fine.
You know the Bobby's of theworld, right, and then so they
always have to ask is this okay?

(17:29):
And then they'll tell them.
But then they come to us wantit.
Then yeah, it's fine.
Like are you allergic to it?
Then no, it's not fine.
Like what do?

Speaker 2 (17:32):
you.
I don't.
I get these all the time likeis this okay?
Is that like it's?
It's whatever, fucking whatever, god damn.
Anyway, that's my rant.
Yeah, no, no, it's true.
They said it's just hardly anythinking for themselves.
So many.
I just get the most like randomvideo of someone putting like
lemon apple cider vigor.
Um apple cider vinegar and likecayenne together and they're
like thoughts on this and I'mlike stupid, stupid thoughts on
this.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Thoughts on this stupid, stupid, stupid.
This is all stupid this is whatI want to respond to all of it.
Oh, I've got one, I just filmedbecause, oh, you know, I would
say rfk has been like blowing upon on tiktok oh yeah with his
american foods are poisonbecause the ingredients and I'm
like, honestly, like I'm nothere to get political, but it's

(18:12):
a great political move becauseon tiktok that shit works.
That rhetoric is yeah,absolutely, yeah, right, so like
they're making you fat with thechemicals they're putting in
your food, vote for me and I'llremove those chemicals.
Which ones?
Don't worry about it.
I'm not citing shit, but youjust trust me on this.
That's how.
That's how it feels yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Like what do they expect the world is going to be
like when all the shit isremoved?

Speaker 1 (18:37):
our food's going to go bad real fast because all the
preservatives are gone it'sgoing to be moldy and people
what is what is gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
What is gonna happen to like trick-or-treating?
What is gonna happen to themovies?
What is gonna happen to like?

Speaker 1 (18:50):
get an ice cream with your family movies.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
Everybody's munching on a carrot.
You go, yeah, trick-or-treatingyou have.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
You give out apples, but only certain apples.
Okay, it has to be organic andnot one of the ones that has
more sugar.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
It has to have a nine at the start, not a four oh,
fucking halloween's gonna suckass.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
There would be there would be like.
There would be like junk fooddealers black market junk food.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
I love it, they have like meeting places.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
They're like dude what's going on down that alley
all the snickers, man, like youcan't get them anymore.
You guys know about the whole.
Uh, kinder, surprise.
What's going on down that alley?

Speaker 3 (19:25):
All the Snickers, man , like you can't get them
anymore, you guys know about thewhole Kinder Surprise black
market thing going on rightKinder.
Surprise, so I don't know ifit's still illegal for you guys,
but Kinder Surprises wereillegal in the US.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
I did hear that.
Why, why was that?

Speaker 3 (19:39):
And there was a lady in BC that was actually
smuggling them across the borderto sell.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Right right, Because she was making money.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah, if there's a way to make money.
She could do it.
She got caught smuggling andshe had like tens of thousands
of kinder surprises, that manywhy was it?

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Why was it?
Do you remember why it wasbanned?

Speaker 3 (20:01):
It's because, of the toy inside the US was afraid
that children were going tochoke of the toy.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
Inside it was the toy like the us was afraid that
children were gonna choke on thetoy okay, I remember something
to do with like a choking hazardor something.
That's what I remembered.
Okay, it was a toy, weird, butyeah, I mean I'll tell you like
it's just, it's the.
It's so much of this trying toover complicate things and
that's just to like sell theirproducts.
And so you know, we try likehey, let's calm it down a little

(20:27):
bit.
And what I find like was wewere talking about this like
before we even started recording, where you're like okay, so I'm
I'm trying to defend people whoare like try, really working on
themselves, trying to improvetheir health and their fitness.
And what I see a lot when youdefend those people is comments
of of people saying like okay,james, you're saying that

(20:51):
they're just doing it for views,but you're also doing this for
views, right?
I hate that I right and what mythought is like.
Okay, anyone who's ever made avideo has done it for views at
least to an extent right.
You don't make a video and hopeGod.
I hope no one sees this.
Please let it have zero views.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah, someone called me out the other day.
He's like you're doing this forattention.
I'm like you're damn right, I'mdoing this for attention.
The fuck, do you think?
I post on social media for tokeep secrets.
It's almost like there's asocial part to social media yeah
, I'll be the first one to tellyou I love attention, I wear a
fucking wig.
I, yeah, I jump around, I eatraw onions because?

(21:34):
because the internet like comeon now, so like, but like
anything they could say to justget the upper hand.
It just drives me nuts.
It really does.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
So the question is like why are you making the
video?
It's like I'm trying to do thisto show someone who's actually
trying to work on their healthand is improving their health
through these means.
You don't need to fucking callthem a whole bunch of names and
say they're doing it all wrongor whatever, like all the
typical shit, and so like who'smore in the right in that

(22:07):
situation.
It's like is is the right callto like shame people who are fat
like I don't think so, so thatI mean they truly feel justified
.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
And I've been really concerned about the verbiage
like like what they're saying,like superior humans are not fat
and stuff.
I'm like, oh, we're starting tosound a little.
Uh, yeah, it's just, it's notsounding great.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
I mean, you replace fat with like a race you know
it's not, it's, you wouldn't sayit and it's just like that's an
interesting.
That's an interesting point likeis that come?
I feel like that ties in a lotwith the people who are doing
like the ancestor thing as well,like you know, our ancestors
used to are.
We're so great and we're gonnado, you know, now we have to

(22:53):
recreate that into some.
I don't know, it's all very.
It all combines in in ways andI find it all very strange.
I don't know it's.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
It's hard because so much of the time I'm I'm truly
willing to have an intellectualdialogue yeah and we could agree
to disagree and just talk, butthey have made up their mind.
They have made up their mind.
Yeah, that's it.
Food is junk, food is poison.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
There's no f-ands or butts and if I'm kind, I'm
promoting obesity I mean true,like if you and if you defend
processed food in any way,you're, you're basically
promoting unhealthy habits.
Um, have you been on?
I just I've been on lunchlytalk lately.
Have you been on?
Have you been on lunchly talk?
Lunchly is uh, logan, loganpauls and mr beasts.

(23:49):
Um, uh, answer to lunchables,essentially so you know
lunchables right so they madetheir own lunchables and you, of
course you put in prime thedrink and you put in mr beasts,
chocolate and stuff like thatand I've been getting tagged
with a bunch of people gettingreal mad at this stuff Like
they're.
They're saying like, oh, thisfood is garbage, I can't believe

(24:11):
they're giving this to our kids.
You know all that sort of stuff.
This has zero nutritionalvalues.
You know I'm like, well, it'sstill food.
Like I'm not no one.
So I don't think anyone isarguing that like a Lunchable is
like a healthy, you know foodyou should be giving kids all
the time.
But like, like your parents arebusy, you grab, like it's fine
that they have a goddamn lunch.

(24:32):
I had a lunchables likeoccasionally as kid.
I thought it was awesome.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, they didn't taste great but you got to make
your own pizza.
It was cool.
Yep, yep, yep.
I had the taco one a lot withwhatever meat.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
I'm so glad.
I just gave myself the hiccups.
You guys talk, I'll be rightback.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah, you get out of here.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
Don't want to be hiccuping in the middle of a
podcast, right?

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yeah, that's what really drives me nuts.
There was just this.
There was this woman I calledout the other day, who I'm not
going to call out again, justbecause it's a, it's a huge,
mega crowd, and I just oh shit,yeah, no, you take one step into
that.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
It's fuck, it's yeah, yeah, I get you and I just know
what I'm getting into.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
But but they're like you want to know what's wrong
with america?
My boyfriend and I went intolike crumble, one cookie is just
many calories and I was justlike the serving size.
Look at the serving size.
And also you went in there.
You went into a cookie placeand you're bitching about the
calories.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Just don't go in that's so weird to me.
It's going to a cookie placeand being like whoa.
There's lots of fat and sugar.
It's a fucking cookie place.
What were you expecting?
Fucking green juices and shit.
I know.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
It's just infuriating Because all the comments are
like oh my god, I won't let mykids touch any sugar and stuff
like that.
And it's just like these people, just yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
and these people just patting themselves on the back,
when, when, when.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
We all know that they have like mommy, yeah, yeah,
yeah, and they all have likemommy wine night, or their lips
are filled with like filler andshit and and like it's like
whatever.
Whatever helps them sleep atnight.
That's, that's what it is.
It's what makes them feelimportant.
They have important shit totalk about everyone has their

(26:38):
vices.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
If it's not, yeah, crumble cookie, it's something
else right, like the people thatcomplain about these things, I
see them.
I had a patient who was likecomplaining about all our fake
foods and and all this, like weshould be eating more butter and
that classic thing and then hehad a pack of marlboros on the
table and I was like, okay, soyou're so you're worried about
the fake foods, but not thecigarettes you're smoking, like

(27:00):
you know they have all you havethese other habits.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
I I say that to a friend of mine who talks about
like seed oils and like stufflike that, and I'm like, but
dude, you drink all the time.
He's like, yeah, but that'slike alcohol though.
It's like you get something outof it and stuff the people who
eat this get something out of itoh, that's so fucking good.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
They act like a fucking you know piece of cake
is gonna spike their insulin,give themselves diabetes and
then be on a one-way track toheart disease and they all did
it or still do it, and that'swhat drives me nuts okay, I'm
gonna fucking complain now.
I'm just gonna complainstraight up what it's so fucking

(27:47):
annoying to me that thesepeople complain about sugar and
all this shit non-stop.
And then I'm like okay, fine,here's an alternative, here's a
diet soda.
Oh, my god, like I just toldpeople, to fucking inject their
own urine into their body, butapparently that's better,
according to some fuckinginfluencers like I know you.
You even give people like analternative and they're like no,

(28:08):
you can't have that either.
Water, water.
Can they flavor their water?
No, that's not water, that'sjuice.
They can just have water,that's it, and they'll they
better like it.
They drink the well water thattastes like shit too.
You gotta drink that like whatthe fuck?

Speaker 2 (28:21):
you can't oh yeah, ah , I'm annoyed they have to be
told what to do because theycan't think for themselves.
So as long as they feel likethey're taking the right route
in life.
Then they feel like they'resucceeding.
I guess Like, well, this iswhat you're supposed to do.

(28:42):
No nuance.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Yeah, is that what they've been taught and they
just regurgitate it?
Is it a way just to sell things, because you know obviously
that's going to sell thingsbetter?
I guess it's probably just aconglomeration of all these
different things or whatever inone place.
I don't know.
I don't know if it's more onething or another, but like it's
just so frustrating because youcome to these people and you,

(29:06):
like you said, I'm fine havinghaving a conversation like hey,
so like you know, can weactually look at what the
research says and stuff aboutlike you know, no, absolutely
not.
It's poison, okay.
So I guess not.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
I guess we just won't talk about like oh my god, and
they send you, and they send youthese studies that are
basically written in crayon andI'm like I'm not reading that.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
It's from fucking yahoo what this is a petri dish
like this is fucking like.
What the like?
There was that whole like oh,sucralose damages your dna,
where they took a specific typeof sucralose that you don't even
get in food and they put itdirectly on cells in a petri
dish and they're like it damagesdna and all these grocery store

(29:47):
walkers were fucking like yes,we got it.
I'm like what do you even see?

Speaker 3 (29:51):
that's exactly how my digestive system works isn't it
directly on your cells?

Speaker 2 (29:57):
you know, wait, wait.
But because anyone ever toldyou guys when, when, when you
talked about dosage, making thepoison and like no, but like
death from a thousand cutsthough I'm like, I've never
gotten that one, I was like yeahthere's chronic toxicity
everyone everyone would haveoverdosed, if, if you just
accumulate it and it doesn't gothrough your system I know it
overflows from everything yourbody.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
they think it just stays there and grows cancer,
like what the fuck?
Your body excretes it and then,and then you get at this.
You get on fucking detox talkand just everyone's.
Then you get on fucking detoxtalk and just everyone's like,
oh, you got to fucking detoxyour liver and shit like that.
Like, oh my god, they think ourbody is magical and stupid as

(30:39):
shit at the same time.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Like it doesn't have the ability to just like
eliminate aspartame, like that'sgoing to build up, I know, but
also yeah, yeah, we're allfrustrated they just have
spokespeople with charisma whosay a bit of truth and then just
throw bullshit at you.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
That's, that's that's just what they do the charisma
parts.
They're good at their jobthey're good at their job.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
I won't say that they're not oh yeah, no, they
are.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Who's your favorite?
Who's your favorite?
Uh, charismatic grifter.
What do you?
What do you?
Who's your favorite?
One, james?

Speaker 2 (31:13):
primal bod has been growing on me as far as like oh,
I just wanted to beat you, sobad she's so she's got.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
I like I.
I gave her seven bobbies out often in my video, like she's
pretty good like I'm setting itup, I'm setting up you.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
I think that dave asbury is like really getting up
there like, like, like, like.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
I think that like paul saladino and bobby and
stuff are kind of taking abackseat to him.
He's he's pretty likeaggressive gary brekka.
I don't really take seriously.
I don't take him seriouslyreally you don't.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
I feel like gary brekka is like the top echelon
when I see it, because I see somany people taking him seriously
, like he goes on a ted talk orwhatever I mean he said nothing
burns fat more than submergingyourself in cold water.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
I think, right from then like you could have said
like you'll, your iq will bounceup 500 points if you put
mayonnaise in your eyes.
Like, like, like.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
That's like more believable than that oh, I mean
it's nonsense, but people takehim seriously because he says it
with such confidence like hedoes, he does and he has a
whiteboard and he has thewhiteboard.
Never underestimate thewhiteboard.
It's, it's, it's a, it's a verypowerful tool.
So because if I've seen himfavorite, my favorite thing from

(32:27):
him is he gets up on stage witha whiteboard and he says I'm
going to teach you more aboutblank than every doctor has your
entire life in five minutes.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Here we go, yeah right.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
That is such a magnificent setup.
And then you just draw somethings and you know, like I
don't know, fucking thyroid anduh, salt or what, it doesn't
matter.
Um, and you know, make sure youlead people to a path that will
buy your shit, you know, andthat's like it's really good I
think I I'm impressed, I'mimpressed yeah, and I just um.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
as long as there's people like them there, there's
gotta be people like us, and Ifeel like the number of gullible
people are just increasing,unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
That's an interesting point.
Okay, social media gets more ofa reach every day, right, like
I feel like we're all moreconnected to social media.
So I think humans are just as Ifeel like humans are just as

(33:45):
gullible as ever, but there'smore people on social media and
there's more people making thiscontent.
So you know, like back in theday day it was tough you had to
go to a town and start be likehere ye, here ye, like here's my
miracle cream put it on youreyes, bucks, yeah stand on, you
literally stand on your soapbox,you know, and people were
callable, gullible and theybought that stuff.
But now you just need a phone.
So, yeah, I think like we'restill the same amount of

(34:06):
gullible, it's just, you know,more of a reach on social media.
That's my, that's my take on it.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Yeah but anyway, what about?
What about?
What about, um, what about theinfluencers with the and the
trainers with the brilliantmarketing techniques going like,
hey, you fat fucks, you knowlike, do you like being a fat
loser?
And just no, and your wifedoesn't touch you?
You know like, sign up with me,I'll fix you up in like eight

(34:36):
weeks?

Speaker 1 (34:37):
it's like who taught you how to market yourself that
is for a very specific likegroup of people.
So those people I find theydon't get as much of a reach
like, they don't get as much asa following, but the people they
do find are more willing to payfor their services that's kind

(34:57):
of.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
what I hate is that they they catch the people who
think that you need to be meanto yourself to succeed.
Oh, absolutely, they're notactively looking for it, but
like they think that that's theway they have to go.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
And then you have someone in the comments like I.
Just once I was finallydisgusted with myself.
I turned my life around.
Yes, now I lock myself in myroom and work out 10 hours a day
.
I'm the happiest I've ever been.
You know I'm shredded, shreddedgirls love me.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
I've got eight lamborghinis.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Yeah, you're all in the room with me I don't think
they actually know whathappiness is.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
No, oh, but those people, I think, are willing to
pay more for for services thankind of like your average person
.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
They'll go into debt for a perceived.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
Just to go get slapped in the face.
Yes, yes.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
That's, that's insane .
I think honestly I might justdo that as a side gig for
desperate men, and then, whenthey come, I'll just have some
cigars with them and I was justlistening to Alpha Camp with
them, I'll

Speaker 3 (36:08):
just talk Listen.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Alpha Camp's where you go to not be a beta bitch.
You get hosed down you getbeaten, you get yelled at and
you pay tens of thousands ofdollars to get just ridiculed,
essentially In order to be a manand then at the end you get a
nice little certificate sayingthat you're a man.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
But what's so bizarre to me is like you would think
that, like the graduation wouldbe a student being like you know
what.
Fuck you right.
It's just like don't talk to melike that.
But then they kick you outbecause they need you broken?
Interesting that there's somany videos of them like talking
back and then the instructorslike kick them out, Like no, no,
no, we don't have that here.
Yeah, like the whole point.
Isn't that what you want?

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Yeah, their world is to be a man, is to be aggressive
, and so we should start our ownone, and that's how they
graduate.
No one graduates unless theyphysically attack us.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yeah, yeah, just like my nose is all banged up.
Black guy's like great job,great job.
You bet You're a man.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Oh fuck, that's so good.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Erica has your man certificate at the door.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Okay, well, listen, I want to give people some like
real, like some good advice,because we always we talk, we
usually rant for like 45 minutesabout the bullshit that annoys
us?

Speaker 3 (37:34):
are you saying it's not good advice to go to alpha
camp?
Is alpha camp?

Speaker 1 (37:39):
it's if we always say what do it works for you.
And if you want to pay twentythousand dollars to get
ridiculed and you know someunderwear, then you do that by
all means.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
No shaming, we're not shaming you for your kinks.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
Let's just call it what it is Right, but um, I got.
So.
This is a question I always askpeople.
I've asked like every likepersonal trainer we've had so
far.
I like this question.
It's just like what, um, whatdo you see amongst the people
that you train?
What common traits do you seeamongst the people you train
that make them successful orthat are successful, the people

(38:21):
that are successful?

Speaker 2 (38:21):
what are traits that you see from them that they all
share, I guess?
Well, they have to come to theother side.
They have to realize that thisisn't a means to an end and it's
just for health, it's forlongevity.
It's not for that vacation youwant to go on, it's not for an
event you're going to, it's it'syou should be strong, you
should have heart health andendurance, you should be mobile,

(38:42):
right?
Like maybe it's not great tohave McDonald's for every meal,
not because it'll make you fat,but because do you feel good
after?
Right, it's just having thekind of logic switch instead of
just the toxicity of like thisis poison, this will make you
fat and you need to work out soyou can look good and stuff.

(39:02):
As I take all that shit out,and then they're just excited
and it's like oh, this is whatgetting in shape is.
Like.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
I'm like, yes, okay, yeah, speaking like speaking of
the longevity.
Before we started the episode,we were talking about how we
wished our parents had workedout more so that they had more
longevity, so that they wereless susceptible to falling, so
that all these things when youget older my biggest fear when I

(39:32):
get older.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
And I just like told my wife this like if I need help
to go from like that corner ofthe room to that corner of the
room, just like take me out likeI just.
I don't care if I'm fat, Idon't care if I'm fat, I don't
care if I have man boobs, Idon't care this or that, just I
want to go up and down thestairs, I want to pick up my
grandkids up, be able to dodaily activities without you

(39:56):
know, without help.
That just being like immobilescares the shit out of me.
Yeah, so much more than how I'mgoing to look.
Yeah, so much more than how I'mgonna look.
Yeah, and I feel like there'slike so many people who are like
either so weak or they're likealways huffing and puffing.
I'm like that's not more of apriority to you to fix that you

(40:20):
know, just, I understand thatpeople can't see that, but like
you, know right exactly.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
I've seen a lot of people strong who are bigger,
but they do like crossfit andshit like that and I'm like I
couldn't.
Oh yeah, I can pass out, youknow, like that's impressive
right yeah, yeah do they?
And just like what do theythink so, for do they all have
this?
They?
They come to that conclusion.
They do it mostly forthemselves.

(40:46):
Do you see?
I'm doing it for like theirfamily.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Like I want to be around for my family.
So I have all my client.
I have a pretty strictscreening process.
Back when I was a broke trainer, I just took anyone and
everyone and clients who I justdespised but it was money right

(41:14):
Right.
Despised, but it was moneyright right.
Now I don't need everyone andI'm very selective about who I
work with.
I've said no to more people,I've said yes to, and once I see
that we vibe and stuff and Icould see that they're doing
this for the right reasons, Itake them on because if they're
investing a lot, I want them tohave their money's worth and,
honestly, if you're a piece ofshit, I'm not going to show up
for you Right, and I'm not goingto take your money if I'm not

(41:36):
going to give you my top levelservice.
And then they just come andthey know what's up.
You have to find time to walkand move.
There's no ifs, ands or butsabout it.
You have to find time to dothese two to three uh workouts
that I gave you.
It's just, it is what it is.
You have to find time to getyour protein in your fiber and

(41:58):
I'll educate you how to do that.
But, um, your headspace and yourschedule isn't really an excuse
.
We got to find a way to makethis work relative to you.
I'm not asking for 10,000 stepswhatever steps you can do
relative to you, whateverprotein you can do relative to
you but we need a baseline ofbehavior that we can add on, and
I find that once they realize,oh, my limiting beliefs are just

(42:21):
limiting beliefs and I doactually have the time to do
this and I'm not dependent onthe instant results, that's what
gets them right, like once theydo it for the sake of doing it
and not the instant results,then they've never been more
consistent in their life becausethey're not.
Their consistency is notdependent on their headspace.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
Finding that balance, I think is tough, between being
comforting and saying like, hey, you messed up this, it's OK.
But also, if you are going toimprove, you do need to do these
things.
If you don't do them ever, thennothing's going to change.
And you're paying me to be acoach, so I'm trying to coach
you, I'm trying to help.
So finding that balance, I feellike, is really, really

(43:05):
difficult.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
Right balance.
I feel like it's really reallydifficult, right, we've had
people who put like seventablespoons of coffee creamer in
, not not realizing how manycalories.
We're like, okay, let's startthere.
Yeah, we're gonna have to cutthat down a bit.
And there's a lot of likeafterthought things.
Right, it's like people who aremaking cookies because they

(43:28):
love cookies and they only haveone, but they're not counting
the three spoonfuls of cookiedough they had before they had
that one.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Little things can add up, for sure.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
Yes, and I've been there.
I've been there you ever.
Oh yeah, like, measure outpeanut butter, but then there's
a bunch on the spoon or it'slike, well, this is just free
calories, like.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
I keep getting tagged in the trend of everyone seems
to be doing it.
Where you take a chip, put iton the scale, see that it says
zero and go okay, zero caloriesdoesn't weigh anything.
And then you put the next chipon and just over and over.
I'm like I asked people, I'veseen those videos.
Everyone next chip on and justover and over.
I'm like I asked people, I'veseen those videos.
Everyone's doing it becauseit's going viral, thank you, uh.
Yeah, so you know, like andright, yeah, being supportive

(44:15):
and saying like, yeah, you canstill have the things you want
and everything.
Like you.
I like the way it was a zachcohen, I think he put it where
he's like you can have and youcan eat anything you want, but
you can't eat as much as youwant if you're trying to lose
weight yeah, yeah right.
So I call it um restraint, notnot restriction yeah, it's, and

(44:42):
so we talk about a lot on thispodcast like adding, not
restricting, and that and so.
But adding is sort of a way oflimiting yourself, though,
because somehow you are going tohave to limit calories if you
want to lose weight.
Like that's the, that is theway to lose weight.
I'm not and I'm trying not.
People always get upset at me.
Like, you know, there's, ofcourse, there's a lot of factors

(45:02):
at play.
Of course it's.
Losing weight is very difficultfor many different reasons, but
at the end of the day, the lawsof thermodynamics.
We do need to create a caloriedeficit somehow in order to lose
weight, and by adding in morenutritious and nutrient-dense
foods, more voluminous foods,that can help you limit your
calories.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
So it is a form of limiting, but without feeling
like you're restricting.
Yeah, when people don't believethat a calorie deficit works,
I'm like all right.
Well, you clearly neverwrestled before, I remember.
I was just snacking onDole-like lettuce.
What?

Speaker 3 (45:40):
You clearly never scienced before, if you don't
believe, a calorie deficit works.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, science, yeah, like I remember
when I didn't eat all day, I wasstarving at a tournament.
The next day I had to go from215 to 189 um, and about about
like a week and a half, and justthat night I was staying at my

(46:04):
friend's house, so I wasn'ttempted, and they had like the
dull lettuce bags and I was justlike like that.
I was a pound over at weigh-in.
I had to like just like throwon sweats and do like sprints
and then I wrestled and I got myass kicked because I was
exhausted, because yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
You're like what else is fun this shit?
Yeah, oh yeah.
So I mean and that, and that's,I think, one of the reasons we
do say like oh yeah, weight lossis great if that's your goal,
but also just focusing on justhealthier habits and just being
more active and being able to dothings.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
If you focus on healthier habits and you have a
baseline of behavior, ofactivity, activity of movement,
nutrients, stuff like that, it'sso much easier to just decrease
it a little bit.
That's what I've been doing,because at my physical I was
like 245 and I was like I wasn'tplanning on losing weight, but
I just feel like from anathletic standpoint I'd like to

(47:02):
be more around like 230.
And all I've been doing wasjust cutting cutting like a
quarter out of my meals,basically like not even a
quarter, just just like a littleless.
And it's been going exactlylike I thought it would.
So I'm not even really measuring, I'm just kind of eating

(47:22):
intuitively I just measure myprotein and fiber, and I know
that my fat would add up quickly, so I watch my fat content,
yeah you're not putting butterin your coffee, no fucking
sticks of butter, no, and I'mnot afraid of carbs either yeah
right, I just yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
The carbs make you fat, that shit.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
Oh, I'm so over it, wild wild that the the video of
that guy who called out thatlike girl is like she's getting
fat because she's having likepotatoes and like stuff like
that.
Uh, first off, potatoes arelike the most like satiating
food that that you can have, andlike he was like saying that
she has like insulin resistancewithout knowing a thing about

(48:09):
her.
It's like if she were to golike carnivore then the weight
would come off quick.
I was like we know that theweight would come off quick if
she did carnivore.
We know she she doesn't wantnormal, functional people don't
want to do that.
Stop saying it.
Stop saying it like you'retalking about just putting a
little flavoring in your drink.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
I feel like it's become more acceptable, though,
to say just do keto or just docarnivore.
But like what if I told youjust eat apples?
If she just ate apples, shewould lose weight.
And those are basically allcarbs right she would lose
weight if she just ate applesbut if I told, people on the
internet.
If all she did was eat apples,she'd lose weight.
People would be like what thefuck are you talking about?
That's crazy, but for somereason, these other things.

(48:52):
No, that's fucking cool.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
That's fine it's insane to me did.
Did you guys see that uminterview with um elon musk and
um and jordan peterson?

Speaker 1 (49:07):
I saw something, yes, about the carnivore.
Just go carnivore, just eatcarnivore.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Yeah.
So Elon Musk is like you know,like I have a really bad back.
And Peterson is like you shouldgo carnivore.
And he's like what?
And he's like, yeah, just havebeef.
And he's like I don't thinkthat that would work.
He's like I had a bad shoulderfor 40 years.
I went carnivore gone.
And Elon's like no, I think Ineed surgery.

(49:35):
But, thank you though.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
Medical intervention, no, just beef.
What I love, your JordanPeterson voice was a combination
of like Peterson and Dr Evil.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Dr Evil.
A little bit of dr evil, I I.
I get that vibe from jordanpeterson, though, so I think it
works out.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
Yeah, but I I've had conversations with uh people
with eating disorders I'm sureyou guys have as well.
That did the whole avoidingcarbs thing and they just go
into extreme brain fog becauseyour brain needs carbs.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Yeah it's so, but I will say, like people do work
differently and I see people ona low carb diet, on keto diet,
and they say, subjectively, theyfeel better, they have less
brain fog and all that stuff,and I'm like hey, you're having
more protein and fiber.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
You're having a lot of protein and fiber than you
ever had.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
I feel like that's why you're losing weight, yeah,
yeah, but I will say, like forsome people who deal with the
blood sugar rises and falls,like I don't mind, like I can
just eat like candy and I'm fine, but, like some people, you
know, if it's stabilizing it alittle bit, you know so.
But instead of it's, like youknow, trying to kill an ant with
a flamethrower, like you didn'tneed that, that's a lot.
You could have just addedprotein and fiber.

(50:55):
But when they go into this, youknow, like super low carb diet,
their blood sugars level outand they subjectively again just
feel better and I'm like, hey,you know, if that works for you
and you want to do a long-termdope, I think that's great
speaking of dope, what do youthink of the people who compare

(51:15):
sugar to like cocaine and likeoh god, it's addictive as
cocaine, yeah I think that camefrom a mouse study, if I recall
correctly, where they starvedrats and they gave them a choice
between sugar and cocaine, andthey were hungry as fuck, so
they ate sugar.
I would go back for the sugartoo.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
With a mountain of cocaine and sugar, I would kind
of feel like shit and be like oh, all right, I think I'm going
to have the delicious sugarinstead, I'm done with cocaine
for right now.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
And yeah it activated the same receptors.
But activating the samereceptors isn't a measure of how
addictive it is, how powerfulit is or anything like that.
I see that a lot Like haveeating.
This is the same pathways asdoing drugs, I'm like.
So is having sex and like othercool shit you like, yeah, like
what?
Yeah, the fuck, and it doesn'tmean anything.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
Uh, yeah, so don't do drugs, no, do sex.
Don't do drugs, go do sex andgo go maybe not together, but
yeah, together, if yourpartner's okay with you doing it
together.
If you're into that, you know.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
No judging.
Pick something that's like lesssticky we don't kick shame here
.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
If you want to do Alpha Land, go to Alpha Camp.
Whatever, Go do Alpha Camp.
If you want to eat your foodoff a naked woman, go do that.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
That's great, have a cannoli and then have a bump and
tell me if you think you feelthe same way.
It's crazy and it's just like Iwill have a chocolate bar right
now and not want any morechocolate bars.
Like it, just yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
Like people are, just like yeah we've mentioned, they
make it so that you just wantmore and more and more.
I'm like really yeah, I don'texperience that.
Go eat a bunch of sugar and seehow far you get into it, right
yeah, just like a spoonful.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
Now I will say, like what I was going to say, like
MSG is my favorite becausethey're like MSG makes you want
to eat more.
I'm like because it tastes good.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
you fucking idiot Like oh my God, Food tastes good
and you want to eat it.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
It's good Like oh fuck Anyway.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
Now like when I used to have like binging episodes.
That was more just like mentaland like behavioral as opposed
to like physiologically addicted.
Right Like Right.
I was like now's my chance topig out before I'm severely
deprived again, so I'm gonna eatpeanut butter like a psycho oh

(53:59):
yeah, that's a game sign thatyou just threw the peanut, my
the peanuts I've never.
I've never felt more shame thanwhen I was caught like mid binge
, either by a friend or like myparents or something.
It's so like animalistic god Ihaven't been in like four years.

(54:21):
It was bad, it was really badit would be at least like 2500
calories in one setting.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Yeah, but then I go five miles that's a big thing.
Yeah, oh, have you seen thedude?
That's like, you know, um,eating 8 000 calories worth of
crumble cookie and then runninguntil I burn 8 000 calories and
I'm like that's literally like abulimia.

(54:48):
Like bulimic isn't justthrowing it up, it's also, you
know, working off the calories.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
So I'd exercise bulimia for eight years.
I had it for eight years.
Yeah, I'm like oh, let'spromote that to people.
This is great.
I would do it at like one inthe morning, yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
It was dark.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
Don't earn food through exercise.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Don't do that.
I highly don't recommend it.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
And what's funny is since then, like I was like
really ripped then, but likesince now I give myself
permission to have whatever Iwant.
A I haven't binged in fouryears and B I don't eat nearly
as much processed shit as I usedto near not even close, if

(55:38):
anything.
My diet is the best it's everbeen because I'm not deprived,
and I just try to make thatclear all the time.
But no, yeah, because I've,yeah, diet soda.
People think that I just likefunnel cinnamon toast crunch
every morning you were talkingabout the primal bod.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
That uh, she as she said that protein bar you eat is
no different than a candy bar.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
So you know, that's I know.
Except you know 20 grams ofprotein, you shithead.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Well, OK, a liver king bar is fine because you can
have the liver king.
The liver king bar is like myfavorite fucking thing ever.
This dude that's totallyagainst like anything.
That is an ancestral fuckingselling liver king bars.
What about?
What about?
Like Paul Saldino?

Speaker 2 (56:21):
being.
I love how Paul Saldino goes onrecord saying that he was
surprised that, like liver King,wasn't natural.
Oh yeah To think that you havecredibility.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
I yeah, he probably does want us to think that, at
least to a degree but yeah, andhe lived with him, I think for a
time like they lived together.
But yeah, and he lived with him, I think for a time Like they
lived together and like itwasn't like all those vials he
had, that was.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Oh look, I mean like I don't want to if I'm wrong.
If I'm wrong then I don't meanit, but like I would love for
like his wife and kids to likeblink twice if they like one out
or something like liver King,like cause it's like whenever
they're having like frog ballsand shit, it's like I feel like
they're like can we just havelike McDonald's?

Speaker 1 (57:11):
fries, please.
I'd kill for a fucking Alfredoright now.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
Dad, I hate this, dad , I hate this fucking chef
lionel, get out of here.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
What is this?
I've already eaten a pig anus.
I can't eat another one.
Yeah, yeah this is your shit.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
This is your shit, not mine this is all one ball.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Yeah, it's a bowl, it's.
It's got a thousand calories.
How many?
How much protein is in a bullball?
You think?
Is that a bull testicle?
Oh shit, I can't.
And and to sleep on a woodenmattress too.

(58:01):
Oh, there's no.
No, no, we talked about itbefore.
I have to bring it up again.
When he went into thehyperbaric chamber, I lost it.
I lost it laughing this dude,that's all about living like our
ancestors.
To heal a torn bicep orshoulder, he tore something.
And he's like I'm not doingsurgery.
Heel a torn bicep or shoulder,he tore something.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
And he's like I'm not doing surgery, I'm going into
my hyperbaric chamber.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
That's in my million dollar house.
It's beautiful.
Okay, liver King might be myfavorite grifter Like that's so
good, like he's totallyridiculous, but he's so much
he's like the grifter.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
It's so good.
I yeah it's so good.
I love, I love all of it.
Don't forget he drove overthere in his tank.
The tank is good, I like thetank, but like healing yourself
through modern medicine, is iswhile making processed food that
isn't processed.
It's just, I love it I knowthat's.
I know that's so good.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
And the supporters will just like look past it.
They'll just keep theirblinders on.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
I think it's just because, with all these people,
eddie Abue is a great example.
They're like, oh, he might beon wrong on things, but he's
right in that processed food isshit, poison and we need to stop
eating it, and like that's allthey care about for the most
part, so like that's the mainthing they care about, so it
doesn't really matter what elsehe says, so I call them um

(59:28):
idiots.
I think egg eats are is prettygood too, I think.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
I made a video.
I made a video of him he washaving a dozen eggs like covered
in, like melted, like butter,and I made a video saying if an
obese person was eating this, itwould be an entirely different
comment section oh yeah nokidding, yeah, because I mean
for people with obesity.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
Yeah, they eat a salad.
It's pretty much they're.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
They should just not be eating at all oh, I got
furious at a comment I I talkedabout it today of once.
Once we proved that this persondoes, um, exercise and eat well
and everything, and she lost 85pounds like well then, she
shouldn't have had.
She lost 85 pounds, well then,she shouldn't have had to lose

(01:00:23):
85 pounds to begin with.
That's what you're mad at, it'slike now you're just looking
for shit to be mad at.
What are you doing Just?

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
say good job.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
You psycho.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
I know Why'd you get married in the first place if
you were just going to getdivorced?
Idiot Fucking dumbass.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
Why'd you get?

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
married in the first place If you were just going to
get divorced idiot, fuckingdumbass, right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
Why'd you get in the car If you were just going to
crash it?
You're just going to crash,right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Right, right, uh, fuck, it's so funny Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
I.
It does bring me comfort,though, if you remember that,
like most of the people who arethis ignorant as always and no
name, no face, no profile person, it's hardly ever someone with
credibility.
So then, that I'm thankful for,because sometimes you got to
take yourself out and be likewho are you arguing with?

(01:01:13):
Like some guy in basement justpissed off at the world Right
but it's, but it's very, very,very easy to get sucked in just
just from you being anger at theamount of ignorance, just just
the amount of ignorance.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
I feel it and you're just like oh, I just can't let
them, I just can't let them goyou just want to reach through
the screen and throttle them, Iwish.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
No, what I wish the most, what I wish the most in a
perfect world, if I was likeSick.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
Tammy on.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Super, super, duper rich.
If I could just send likedrones to wherever these people
are and then just like Truman,show the shit out of them to see
them eating processed food andlike doing things like that, and
just like bathing in seed oiland it's like see, I fucking
told you, I told you, all of youare hypocrites Like so I want

(01:02:13):
to catch one of these guys thatwant to hack some webcams for us
.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Yeah, I'm.
We wouldn't hire you wink winkbecause we wouldn't want to do
that wink wink, that would be,illegal wink, but our email
happens to be on our websitewink yeah, uh, that would be so
like cathartic, if like someonelike caught like paul saldino

(01:02:40):
eating in the back of aMcDonald's or something Like a
TNT thing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
I think after he films those videos they're like
the salt on the McDonald's.
French fries has threeingredients Cut, just like just
chowing down on it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
I have to imagine that's what's going on.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Anything else?
James, you wanted to complainabout yell at, you know, don't
want to give you the floor, Ithink, make sure there isn't any
stupid stone left unturned.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
I I'm trying my best to um.
There was someone who Iactually had patience patience
with the other day because itlooked like he was struggling
more with his weight and whatwas right and what was wrong, as
opposed to just being a dick,and I gave him patience and I

(01:03:38):
talked to him via IG, the DM andit felt good.
And to a lot of people out there.
If you disagree with what I'msaying, you'd be surprised at
how open I am to a dialogue.
If you just come to me withrespect, a dialogue if you just

(01:04:10):
come to me with respect andright, willing to just dive in
while just keeping it a mutualconversation, the second you
start talking at me, I'm gone,and I actually love to talk shop
like that.
I love to talk to people who Imight disagree with.
If we can just agree to haverespect at the end.
But yeah, yeah, if you're apiece of shit, I'm gonna treat
you like a piece of shit, that'sall yeah I, I totally agree I I

(01:04:35):
enjoy talking with people whohave different views than I do
like because?

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
because we brought Brendan on for that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
We brought Santa Cruz medicinals on here because
we're just you know really.
Yeah, he was on the podcast, um, and yeah, well, like we
honestly like agree on a lot ofthings.
There's things we disagree on,and that's fine I.
But as long as I can just liketalk with you about it and like
understand, as long as I canjust like talk with you about it

(01:05:03):
and like understand, like hey,why do you feel this way?
Like okay, you know, I, I don'tmind what, what, wait?

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
so the thing that drives me nuts and I want to
know if you agree with this.
So like, you know that guygoing let's see how much sugar
is in this and then he likemeasures it.
I know that guy quite well, howmuch, what going let's see how
much sugar is in this and thenhe like measures it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
I know that guy quite well how much what's.
Let's see what's in a monsterenergy drink and then like just
pours each little individualthing into a cup right, right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
So I called um him out the other day because he got
like a monster chocolate slicefrom um cheesecake factory and
there's people like he's justyou know, a lot of people don't
know about like what's in thereand I'm like, are you fucking
kidding me?
I was like who, who is gettingthat?
Thinking that it's likeradishes or some shit?

(01:05:53):
And wait, like, am I reallythat like ignorant?
Are there really people that golike oh my God, I didn't know
that there was a good questionthat much sugar, like, like,
like.
If that's the case, I'm willingto be a little bit more lenient
towards those if there's a lotof ignorance.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
But I just there are certain things that I think
people don't realize have asmany calories, as much sugar.
So you know, like your classicdrinks, you know like those
coffee drinks or whatever theyare, you know people might not
realize.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
I think that's a good example, Right, Like you know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Oh, this double Kappa , blah, blah, blah.
I don't fuck, I just getfucking coffee.
But for something like cake.
Like I think most people wouldknow, cake has a lot of sugar in
it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
I would hope so.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
Yeah, the crumble cookie is another example Like,
yeah, it's fat and sugar, that's, that's basically all it is.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
You know it's fat sugar Right and also a serving
is a quarter of the cookie Right, even though it's very, very
hard to have a quarter.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
I will say that one I think people don't know.
I think people don't know theserving of crumble cookie is is
like a quarter of the cookie.
They people have told me likeno, the cookie's only 300
calories, not the whole cookie.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
So you know, I think that is one people don't realize
so like certain things, likethat, I don't mind but like when
he says, like when he gets aparty size bag of doritos and
he's like, let's see how muchfat is in this entire bag of
Doritos.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
I know yeah, I mean like those ones I don't do too
many videos on that sort ofstuff, cause I'm like I guess
maybe, you know, some peoplewill learn something from it,
and it's not like I don't knowif what, like it's just kind of
like whatever for me.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
That's, that's honestly my kind of hit and miss
, yeah, so yeah like I've beentrying.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
I really try, before I bitch or yell at someone, I
just try to get in a little zenspace and, like, put myself in
their shoes and it's like, andeither I go no, they're just
dumb and I'm gonna wreck them,or, all right, I'm going to
approach this being like morekind, that's, that's, that's how
I kind of deal with it.

(01:08:08):
Or if I know that they have anarterial motive, and I do.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
I've re-recorded videos where I've gone kind of
like a little aggressive and I'mlike, uh, you know what?
Like that was a bit much.
Like someone asked like why are?
Why are we not telling uh kids,that foods are bad?
Like there are bad foods.
And I got a little upset and Iwas like, okay, this person's, I
think, trying to actually asklike well, like, and I was like,
okay, let me try and be alittle bit more now she's still

(01:08:35):
like blocked me and deleted itafter that because you know,
whatever, but like you know, Itried to be a little bit more
understanding.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
Yes, I've definitely taped stuff, watched it and was
like oh, that was mean, okay,I'm gonna redo this yeah I got
the opposite problem.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
I taped stuff and I'm just too kind and I'm like, oh,
I should have just laid it alittle more.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
little more, that would be so funny, that would be
more like Liam.
There's just one video whereyou just like lose it.
It's like you know what bitchFuck this guy there was.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
I don't remember what it was even, but like yeah, I
swore at least three times in it.
Oh, wow, I know right, orsomething like I swore at least
three times in it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Oh wow, I know right, I think I do remember something
I don't remember.
But anyway, yeah, I can't helpit.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
I can't help it.
My mom wants me to stopswearing.
I'm like all right, stopsmoking.
You stop smoking, I'll stopswearing.
That sounds like a fair deal.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
I've gotten messages from people like you seem so
intelligent.
Why do you swear too so much?
Because I fucking like it.
What do you want?

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
I don't know shit it just adds, like just it adds
seasoning to what you're sayinglike was it beth?

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
it's beth right like you have to swear.
She's the one that swears likeso fucking much and I I like the
comments are always like, whydo you swear?
And I feel like she gets itmore because she's a woman like
she gets more like I swear more,yeah, yeah, if anything.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
I think I think I court, I think I curse more than
her and tammy definitely does,but I think that she gets it
more because she's a woman Ithink she.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
I think so because I see it, a lot people are just
telling her like fuck off, likewhatever don't don't watch, then
oh my god.
People are like fuck off, likewhatever don't watch, then oh my
god people are like, like,unfollow, okay cool James.
Where can people find you?

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
so James underscore Coppola C-A-P-P-O-L-A on
Instagram and Jay Coppola FitCoach on TikTok.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
And thank you so much for having me guys.
That was great.
You know it's always great tovent, so I don't just take it
out on all these people.
That's what we're here, forthat's what half of this podcast
is Okay 75%.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
And then we try like okay, get more protein.
Hey, we need to start theepisode.
Be like hey, guys, get moreprotein, fiber, sleep, exercise,
move your steps.
Now, let's fucking get intolike it's just now.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
We vent about the all the fucking bullshit we see oh,
oh wait, oh wait, this, this,this complaint that I got the
other day.
It's like why do you alwayslike tell people the same thing?
About like, about like exerciseand steps and um, and protein
the fiber is like, becausethat's what it is.
I don't like lie or manipulate.
You're gonna hear the same shitbecause that's what it is if

(01:11:32):
it's then they're constantlygrifting that's what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
what do you want?
Like today?
It's these foods that you gottafucking avoid.
This shit, this shit like.
No, it's just get your protein,get your fiber, get some
goddamn exercise, reduce yourstress, vent a little bit, go to
therapy.
Goddammit, I don't like this.
It's just, oh, it's notcomplicated.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
And don't be your worst.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
And don't be your worst.