August 28, 2025 • 36 mins
Ever feel like your wallet is getting skinnier faster than you are on your weight loss journey? Mike and Rob dive deep into the money pit of fitness marketing, exposing what you actually need to spend on—and what's just clever marketing.
The duo tackles the premium pricing of products like Fairlife milk (spoiler: you're paying triple for just 4g more protein) and bust the myth that organic labels guarantee better nutrition. Between frozen vegetables that outlast their fresh counterparts and generic brands manufactured in the same facilities as the expensive options, there are countless ways to trim your grocery bill without compromising your results.
Beyond just shopping tips, they explore how recent FDA funding cuts have eliminated monitoring for six major foodborne illness strains, creating serious public health concerns. They also share invaluable insights on developing sustainable eating habits through finding enjoyable recipes rather than forcing yourself to eat "health foods" you hate.
Most powerfully, they emphasize that mindset trumps materials in weight loss. No expensive product can replace the foundation of good habits, community support, and finding joy in your fitness journey. As Mike notes, "The mindset is where I started. If you can't seem to keep your calories in check... don't blame yourself. This isn't a moral failing. You just don't know where you're going right now."
Ready to save money while still reaching your goals? This episode delivers practical wisdom without the hefty price tag. Join the conversation, and don't forget to catch Mike and Rob streaming No Man's Sky—say "banana bread" in the chat for a chance to win In Moderation merch!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to In Moderation Interlude, because
Liam is a jerk that decided notto show up.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
What if we just pretend that I am Liam and we
treat me as like a mid-seasonrecast and don't ever Okay, okay
, yeah okay, redo, redo, youknow, scrub that.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
What's up, liam?
Hi, Rob, yes, how's it?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
going Liam?
Hi Rob, how's it going?
It's pretty great.
I was tagged in a bunch ofvideos today and I was told hey,
how do you feel about cottagecheese?
And I said you know whatCottage cheese is okay, that
sounds like Liam.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I mean, that sounds like you.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
That sounds like me.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
That's exactly who I am.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
We already like you Yep, and we already know we're
not approved.
There we go.
You heard it from Liam himself.
No one's going to be able totell the difference.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
But no really, liam is currently on the place in the
US.
I don't know, I don't knowstates, they all look the same,
looking for a new place to live,and unfortunately Oakley is not
letting him do anything.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
So I went over and I was like Mike Mike.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Mike, mike, mike.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Mike, mike.
I just got a bunch of texts ina row.
I said, well, actually what youhad said verbatim let's see,
let's pull this up was Mikeemergency, mike emergency, mike
emergency.
I said Rob, rob, emergency.
And then you just said podcastin all caps and I said give me
15 minutes, I'll be here.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
And actually I'm pretty sure that was faster than
15 minutes.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
It might have been.
Might have been 12 or even 13.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Damn Speeding up, gonzalez, over here.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
They say under promise, over deliver.
That's what I like to do, sothis is an interesting episode.
Liam is not present, it is justyou and me what do you guys
normally do?
When the liam is here in spirit, he is within me, uh, for legal
purposes, spiritually no longerthe father and the son and the
(01:59):
plant slant amen so uh, whatwhat?
I think last time I aired mygrievances about ai being used
for coaching, which if if you'regonna do it at home, like you
know, just on your own, that'sfine.
It's more so that I've got thegrievances of paying for it,
like you just.
You just use it especially ifyou're paying somebody that's
(02:19):
supposed to be doing itthemselves so I perhaps, in the
spirit of that, we could talk alittle bit about maybe what
people don't need to be spendingso much money on on a weight
loss journey or a fitnessjourney.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
There's an idea, Bounce that around for a couple
minutes.
Yeah, because I was justthinking.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I'm trying to do a couple more recipe videos, and
every creamy video Ninja Creamythat I I watch is they always
mention fair life milk right,which is great product.
Can you get that up there whereyou're at?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
we can get fair life, but we can also get the
superior dairy land.
Really okay, tell me aboutdairy dairy land.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I'd love to hear about that well, I don't.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Actually I don't have a comparison to if the Fair
Life is this way in the US, butif I were to serve you the Fair
Life and the Dairyland, youwould think that the Fair Life
was a little bit watered down,like the Dairyland has a lot
more of that milk taste to itInteresting.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Okay, very cool, now I want to see if we have it here
.
Okay, very cool, but now I wantto see if we have it here.
But yeah, fairlife, it's got alittle bit more protein in it,
but it's ultimately just thesame thing as milk, but it costs
twice or three times as much.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
If you see somebody talking about.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Compared to milk, it's like $5 for a thing of
Fairlife and it's not even afull gallon.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
It's like a half gallon.
Yeah, that's.
The other thing about Fairlifeis at least here.
Fairlife is $7 for one and ahalf liters and Dairyland I can
get for $6 for two liters.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Okay, so we've got a slightly considerably, I'd say a
better deal there.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Realistically, it's only like per serving, four
grams more of protein for thesame amount of calories and it's
like I don't know, just forthat little bit of extra oomph.
It's not going to make that bigof a difference, Not something
that you couldn't just make upwith more protein powder, I
suppose.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
It's true.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah.
So if you're concerned aboutwell, I don't want to get that
Fairlife milk you don't have to,you can, if you want, to it's
nice, I love it.
I have a glass of it everymorning, but it's not something
you have to get.
Same with the organic labels.
I'm sure you've talked aboutthat here plenty of times.
You're paying for the name Yepyear plenty of times yeah,
(04:46):
you're paying for the name.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Yep, at that point it's.
There's no pesticides.
There's still whatever.
They're still processed inplants, they're still used in
other things.
It's.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
It's just a fancy name on it, it's the pesticide
they use, like slightlydifferent pesticides, but
they're all the same, and everystudy that we run shows that
none of it makes it to the finalproduct anyway, not in an
amount that matters.
By the that we run shows thatnone of it makes it to the final
product anyway, not in anamount that matters by the way
we're being paid by a bigpesticide to push this, or else
we'd just be dead, we wouldn'tbe, we wouldn't be here.
(05:13):
But I guess in a couple of yearswe won't have that information.
Because the FDA is, funding hasbeen slashed as of the last
couple of days.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Did they really?
I don't keep it up with my news.
That's surprising, butmentioned it.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
He came on and he said that the FDA they are no
longer able to.
They don't have enough fundingto monitor six of the eight
different strains of breakoutsthat they typically account for,
one of which is listeria.
So if there's a listeriaoutbreak in any of our food in
the us, if your state does nothandle it on the state level,
they don't have the funding forit.
It's just not going to bebrought up and we're going to
(05:54):
find that out the hard way,which is getting fucking
listeria I always hate when likeagain, I'm not american, fda is
not my governing body.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
But I always hate when people are like the FDA
doesn't do anything.
It's like because you don'tfund the damn thing.
It needs funding to do things.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
It's like we need the money to do this kind of thing.
Let's see, we've gotCampylobacter Cyclospora,
listeria, shigella Vibriorio,which I've never even heard of
that one, but thank you, fda,for uh having us not hear about
it.
I'm sure we're going to becomefamiliar and uh yersinia, which
(06:34):
I've also not heard of.
I've heard of the other, uhfour of them, but those ones are
no longer being monitored.
That's lovely, are we greatagain?
Hasn happened?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
You'll be great again when you weaken your population
enough for Canada to take over.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I'm ready, I'm completely prepared.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I think a lot of your population is ready.
Universal health care.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
That's another thing that if you move to Canada you
don't have to spend as muchmoney on health care.
You can get your health care.
It's taken care of in yourtaxes.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
So basically, if you want to save money, move to
Canada.
We've got cheaper milk andwe've got better healthcare.
You got an extra room.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yes, I do A snake on in there.
Perfect, I'll be there.
All right, if I can get apassport.
We'll see if I can manage toget a passport here.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I'm pretty sure you're on the list.
You know the ban list whichlist the list that doesn't exist
.
You've been dirty on theinternet list I don't know about
the list.
I've never seen it it was on mydesk for a little while, but
it's gone now.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I don't know what happened to it.
Must have been the wind, Idon't know.
So what else is it that I'malways hearing about in terms of
things that you got to spendextra money on?
On weight loss, you know?
Speaker 1 (07:41):
what you don't have to spend extra money on.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
What's that?
Name brand stuff, yes, oh mygoodness, name brand stuff, yeah
.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
You don't need it.
Half the generic stuff is madein the same factory.
There's not like 20 differentfactories all making different
versions of mini weeds, there'slike two factories and everybody
gets them from that.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
In the sixties I think it was the 60s Elvis and
his team came up with a verybrilliant strategy and that was
to capitalize on the Elvis hate.
So they were selling the Elvismerchandise, but they were also
selling the Elvis, the I hateElvis merchandise.
So they were making money fromboth ends of it.
(08:23):
If you bought a shirt that saidI hate Elvis and he sucks, and
I don't like a very wordy shirt,elvis would get that money.
So that's what you're doingwith your knockoff Fruit Loops.
Go ahead and get them Totallyfine.
Don't you have a brand up inCanada called no Name in?
Speaker 1 (08:39):
the yellow packaging.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yep, literally no Name.
So that is its own company,though right, literally,
literally, that's like its ownbrand, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah, we also have President's Choice, which for
the longest time I thought wasAmerican because it's
President's Choice, but no, it'sCanadian.
You don't have a president, Iknow.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
You have a prime minister, so I have no idea
who's president is Choice ofwho's choosing this.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
What president?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Well, this person.
If they are listening to thispodcast right now, I would love
to hear from them.
So, whoever you are, weprobably have a lot of
presidents listening to thisshow.
Call in.
Do we have a?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
call in.
I will say whoever thispresident is has a good choice
in lemonade.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
The diet lemonade is really good.
Where does this president fallshort?
What are they?
What is the president's choice?
That's like I probably havechosen different um, you know,
I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
I don't think I've had enough of the president's
choice stuff that's at thesupermarket I have to go out of
the way for, and I usually justgo there to get my lemonade what
is it?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
what if this is just a president that we elect to
make the choices for thiscompany, like it's not a
president of anotherorganization or government.
It's just like the president ofthat company, the president of
choices, the president ofchoices, of choice incorporated?
I want to be the president ofchoices it's the only way to get
elected.
Rob lapham for president ofchoices I'd I'd vote for you if
(10:11):
it wasn't for the fact that thisposition is handed down by I
have that.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
I have that autistic food aversion I like and then
like I like the taste ofvegetables.
I don't think people want whatI like.
Why is?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
it that all the president's choice items right
now are dino nuggies and mac andcheese?
We've got an entirerefrigerator full of hundreds of
bags of dino nuggies soundsabout right, so hey I don't
think anybody's going tocomplain about the dino nuggies.
I'm not going to complain no,you, you don't have the real
good brand of chicken, right,it's the brand is called real
(10:45):
good.
Do you have that there?
Speaker 1 (10:47):
uh, don't have the real good brand of chicken right
, the brand is called Real Good.
Do you have that there?
Don't think so.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
No, it is.
I don't know how they're doingthis differently, but they make
chicken nuggets and chickenstrips with a considerable
amount of protein that is higherpercentage-wise in the calories
.
So it's like 23 grams ofprotein to like 140 pounds
calories per serving, orsomething.
It's quite spectacular.
(11:11):
Wow, again, not something youhave to buy.
It is a little bit moreexpensive than your average
nuggies.
So if you can't, afford it.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
That's okay.
It's a little bit more money, alittle bit more protein, but
you don't have to.
You can get it through othermeans.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
You just buy like a pack of chicken breast.
That's what I do.
I buy it in batches everycouple of weeks, cook it and
then I've got some ingredientsfresh or not necessarily fresh,
but ready to go to chop up whenI need it.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I end up getting my chicken whole and butchering it
myself, but I don't thinkeverybody wants to do that.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
No, no, I would let you handle that.
You are the Viking with thetools to handle that.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I would just send it up to you Once again something
you send it up to you Once again, something you don't have to do
.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
So yeah, definitely do not have to do that.
By the way, in case anyone'sjoining and does not know who I
am, I forgot to introduce myselfin the beginning.
I lost 110 pounds.
I am Liam.
I forgot.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
I am Liam, you're Liam and you've lost 110 pounds.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I'm Liam and I've lost 110 pounds.
I now weigh zero pounds.
That man is exceptionally lean,very good looking, very
handsome.
He's got this picture.
I think it's his Facebookpicture.
I don't know how he got thatripped, but I'm angry about it.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I mean you're in the middle of trying to get ripped
yourself.
Right, I'm always in the middleof trying to get ripped.
That's never not the case, butI think you have some sort of
like goal here, don't you?
Speaker 2 (12:39):
you have a photo shoot coming.
The goal is to just not get fatagain right now.
But yes, yeah, I am trying toslim down just a little bit.
I'm chopping a few pounds offin a very slow manner.
When are we releasing the?
When are we releasing the Robphoto shoot?
Speaker 1 (12:54):
The Rob photo shoot the Rob photo shoot, the one I
shared in text messages.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yeah, the one where I said, holy shit, I'd sign up
for this.
Where's this man?
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Well, now that you're teasing everybody with it, it's
Rob hanging out with Pippinyeah In Christmas sweaters.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah, it's quite adorable, really cute christmas
sweaters.
This is very cute christmassweaters matching pippin's, just
chilling his mane is allfluffed out I'm gonna have to
actually do that for mychristmas card next this year.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Oh god, please do the thing.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Have you seen those pictures where they've got like
the cat superimposed in thebackground, like it?
I don't even know how todescribe this I don't think I
have mall photo shoot.
This is a great for an audiomedium, by the way, um I know
it's, it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I'll just describe what I see, and right now I see
mike walking I mean liam walkingon a trackpad while he's
looking up some sort ofsuperimposed cat picture, okay.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
So I have found a few of them.
Let me pull this up because Ican share it with you.
So if you want to find this athome, what you can do is you can
go type in mall photoshootsuperimposed and I'll try to
describe the picture so thatperhaps you too at home can find
it.
Um window chrome tab share.
(14:21):
So it's like this one.
Right here there's a picture ofa man with his family oh that
kind of thing, yeah, and hisface is quite large,
superimposed as the background,and then it's his what I presume
to be wife and three childrenthere smiling, and then he's
just kind of wistfully lookingoff in the distance, but very
(14:43):
large behind him.
And there are several otherslike this one here, the guy with
the mustache and his familysuperimposed on top of it.
That's what I'm talking, andhis family superimposed on top
of it.
That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
So you'd have.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Pippin as this very large superimposition, and then
you'd just be hanging out here.
You could even be holding himstill in there.
Just have a large Pippin behindyou.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
If nobody knows what you're talking about and they're
too lazy to look it up, theyjust have to wait for my
Christmas card to come out.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Rob will be sending them out through his email.
This is a whole family ofpeople dressed up as that one
picture of the rock with theblack turtleneck sweater and the
necklace and the jeans, andit's just six people dressed up
that way.
I would do this.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I think you would be.
That's what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Oh, absolutely.
When are you coming to Texas,when it's safe to?
I guess it means you're notcoming.
I'll have to go to Canada.
There is not a safe time tocome to Texas.
Oh man, I did want to go tovisit you guys this year, but
between border troubles andmoney troubles, the prognosis
(15:48):
was a bit more sunny when wewere talking about this last
year around this time, yeah, andthen a lot of things happened,
politically, personally,schedule wise, in all of our
lives.
It's, it's tough because it's,I'll tell you and I know that
you relate to me, heavy on thisI, finding a community was
(16:11):
always tough for me.
Yeah, it's, I would find afriend here and there, but
finding like a community,finding a unit, was tough.
And we finally found it here,but everybody's spread out so
far away that it's, it's tough.
It's hardly do we ever get toactually see each other,
unfortunately we'll have to putup with streaming together.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Hey, what?
Speaker 2 (16:33):
are you doing tomorrow night?
Uh, tomorrow night I'mstreaming with rob laugham, uh,
doing something ridiculous for acamera we're gonna do.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Uh, no man's sky because it just dropped some
sort of big update.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Let me check it it's been on my wish list for a lot
of years and I've just neverbought it.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
I saw it was on your wish list.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Let me see where it is.
Will this be out?
You turn these around fairlyquickly.
Oh yeah, this will be out bythen.
Okay, so anybody?
Listening to this tomorrow,which is now today, tomorrow
being August 28th, so if anybodylistening to this, today you
want to come hang out with meand Mike and the community will
be on Twitch.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
You can go to my channel, rob Lapham, or you go
to Mike's channel.
Mike needs a plan.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
This is the very narrow sliver of time in which
this podcast is out and thestream has not happened yet.
Yeah, you can.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
You can get congratulations to everybody who
listened to this within thefirst um, uh, 12 hours of it
being released.
You know how about we?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
what should be the code word here?
We should have some kind ofcode word that, if they come
into the chat and they say it so, though, that being said, they
could still say it weeks fromnow.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
So it's only going to count.
Tomorrow We'll know that.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah, it's only going to count tomorrow.
So if you're in and you saybanana bread, you would put
bananas in it.
Somebody that didn't want tojust have a banana and didn't
just want to have bread.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
All right, you come into our stream and you say
banana bread.
What's going to happen?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Aside, of me hating you.
I'm going to whip it out.
I'm going to stand there withmy arms behind my head.
Well, now no one's gonna come.
I might wait until the auto modtakes us out, and that'll, and
I'll do it until I break.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
You know, we should actually.
I should actually do a.
I don't know if I can, I don'tknow if twitch will let me do
this, but, um, whip it out.
We can do a secret inmoderation.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Gift card giveaway oh okay, oh what.
What would be the gift?
Oh, for the, uh, the merchstore, for the merch store yeah
okay, I will wear one of my myshirts tomorrow.
Excellent, I think that'll be agood occasion to whip one of
them out.
Well, you did say you'd whip itout.
I did say and whip it out.
I didn't say what it was, so itwas the in moderation merch.
(18:51):
I've got my mug.
I've got my shirts.
I've got a bunch of books fromyou, some of your training
guides.
You still have those up, right,I bought them a while ago.
Yep, yep.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Still have them.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah, it's great information.
By the way, very affordableprice.
I mean, if we're talking aboutwhat to buy, what not to buy, in
a weight loss journey, that's agreat place to start, very
affordable information.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Good plug and play stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
There it's, I've a fair amount of effort into that
it's fantastic.
It seems like a little bit moreunfair, unless, of course, you
were just a supercomputer of ahuman being, which I know you to
be.
Uh, yeah, it's great info thereand um, you honestly, rob is is
devaluing it by not charging$10 million for it.
So get it before he's got anego about him and charges what
(19:39):
he's worth.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
So yeah, anybody comes into the stream tomorrow
when we're live.
You say banana bread and I'llfigure out a way to put
everybody into a draw.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
See, I've got an unfair advantage because I know
the keyword already.
I don't got to listen to thepodcast to figure it out.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Hosts and guests are not eligible for this reward.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
I guess I'll just not stream tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I've found a way around the system or I'll just
rig it.
Did they have McDonald's?
Speaker 1 (20:13):
You'll just send somebody else in as your Make a
bunch of fake accounts and justcome in.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Oh yeah, Whose Mark needs a plan?
I don't know who that is.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Mark is your Stan.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Did you have McDonald's Monopoly up in Canada
when they were doing that?
Okay, were you aware?
Speaker 1 (20:34):
of the scandal.
I want to say yes, but it's notcoming to mind.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
So there was a scandal in which somebody that
worked at McDonald's corporatehad figured out how to get the
rare pieces and he would justdistribute them to his friends.
He knew where they were going,where they were going to be sent
, and he said well, just go tothis McDonald's at this time and
you'll be able to get the extrapiece.
So, like no one ever won thebig prizes other than this guy's
(21:01):
friends, and that's why theyhad to stop the whole contest,
Wow.
So that's what I'm going to dotomorrow.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I'm going to make sure one lucky guest gets.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Boardwalk Won't be me , so that's what I'm going to do
tomorrow.
I'm going to make sure onelucky guest gets boardwalk.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Won't be me.
It'll just be somebody youconveniently know from somewhere
.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Somebody that just looks like me.
Be like.
I don't have my cool sunglasseshere.
I don't know where they went.
I had my cool sunglasses on forthat bit that I did at the
beginning of the other episode.
You lost your sunglasses.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
We've got to get an official.
An official, you know what else?
That you don't need to spendmoney on fresh fruit, you can
buy frozen, you can buy canned.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
It's in fact, uh purportedly more nutritious to
get it in a canned form, becausethey save it and they store it
and preserve it more quicklywith more of the nutrients
intact particularly when it'sfrozen.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
You like, if you're just a single person, you can
use a little bit and just put itback in the freezer.
You don't have to worry aboutwasting it.
That's what I hate about buyingvegetables and and fruit is
I'll get through sometimes justa quarter of the bag and then
it'll be like, okay, there goesthe rest of it because it I
couldn't eat it fast enough thisis especially good information
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for those of you that are usedto the changing of the guards.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
And what I mean by the changing of the guards is
you buy a bag of salad mix withthe best of intentions and then
it sits in your refrigeratoruntil it goes brown and then,
because you want to hold theline, you go buy a new one and
then you replace the old onewith the new one to repeat the
process.
You've changed the guards, soif you are a person who does
(22:38):
this, it's okay.
No one is judging you.
A good way to reintroduce thisis to find a recipe that it
belongs in.
Don't just buy the ingredientsand expect you're going to make
something magical of it.
Go to fucking.
Have you had tasty shreds onhere yet?
No, you got to have tastyshreds on here.
(22:58):
I'll do the episode with him.
I would love to get to hang outwith him here.
He makes great recipes onInstagram.
Just start there.
I won't even give you morenames to those of you listening.
Just go to tastyreds and justfind two or three recipes that
he's got and then go get therecipes or the ingredients for
(23:18):
that.
That's your shopping list.
What do I eat?
What do I do Find shit you likeand then find people that have
lost 80 pounds or 100 pounds,that know how to make good
versions of it that help youlose some weight because they're
lower in calories and higher inprotein but actually taste like
something.
And you're cruising, my friend.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
You know what else you don't need.
You don't.
You don't necessarily need togo to the store.
If you're going to go to thestore and you're going to walk
down the snack aisle and throweverything in the cart, you can
use a delivery service For sure.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
You just look at what's there, take a look, take
a couple of picks and just haveit sent to you.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Great way to go about it and again, like with the
recipe, you've got the listright in front of you.
There's the recipe.
You grab the stuff that's onthe recipe.
You don't have to go looking atthe snacks.
You can even you couldtechnically even use some sort
(24:13):
of uh app or um plug-inextension to block those
specific um urls for snacks andstuff, if you wanted to go that
far, which I.
You don't have to, that's justsaying.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
If you feel like you're at a point where you can
right now, we would both likeyou to revisit that at some
point, but if it's like yourfirst week or something and you
just don't want to see thatstuff up to you, Just like how
people block porn for a month ortwo or three.
Yeah, people do that.
I definitely did that a longtime ago.
I don't see any of that anymore, definitely don't have a second
(24:44):
computer that's a whole topicfor another day.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
You know what else you don't have to do when you're
trying to save money and stuffBuy porn, Jerk off on the subway
.
Oh shit, oh no, you have to dothat.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
That's a passage, it's the best place to do it.
Jer, you have a passage, it'sthe best place to do it.
Jerganoff does not necessarilylower your testosterone nor
motivation.
We don't have any studies toindicate that at any strong
degree.
So anybody that hears thatyou're losing gains by uh,
cranking the hog as the kids sayum, you're fine yeah, I do,
unfortunately, know people thatspend a little too much time and
(25:21):
money looking at porn oh, itcan definitely be a problem like
like, yeah, yeah, let's, let'snot get that mixed up, but it's
in much different ways.
Just like any, uh, mentaldependence on something, a
psychological dependence,especially the way that, like
the studio, stuff is filmedwhere it's quite exploitative
and disgusting in many ways,like it's.
(25:44):
It's best to stay away fromthat.
Anyway, mike's an expert onthat.
I'm an expert in porn.
Yeah, spend a lot of time.
Well, it's what the internet isfor.
Just like some people can heara half second of a beatles song
and know exactly what thebeatles song is, hello me.
I can do the same thing byhearing just a half second of a
clip of porn.
Damn I know exactly what it isEvery time.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
That's impressive.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Not a video.
I haven't seen Anyone's likehow do you keep it?
Up.
Oh, that is Step Neighbor withLarge Rack.
It's Step Neighbor.
It's my mom married somebody'sneighbor, so this is now my step
neighbor.
It's step neighbor.
It's my mom married somebody'sneighbor, so this is now my step
neighbor.
It's a large rack on front andback Gets drilled by other step
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neighbor too.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Oh, so the step neighbor is getting drilled by
the step neighbor.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yes, okay, functionally speaking, strangers
.
We don't really need titles inthis situation.
They're just people, they'rejust neighbors.
But it doesn't sell well enoughif we don't include some kind
of incest involved.
Liam, if you're listening backto this, this is what happens
when you leave the driver's seatunattended your dual driver's
(26:59):
seat with Rob, where you've bothgot steering wheels and drive a
zany Roger Rabbit car.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
I almost get the feeling Liam's listening to this
and going.
You know I should do this moreoften.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
He's going to pop up behind you and he's going to be
dressed up in the full WillyWonka garb and say my boy,
you've done it.
It is your factory now.
I was looking for one speciallittle boy to take over.
I got the golden ticket.
Of course we will have to dealwith the slavery allegations,
yeah yeah.
But in the US they're trying tomake that a thing.
(27:33):
They want to teach it inschools that slavery actually
wasn't that bad.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I saw that.
That triggered you.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, but they want to say that slavery is better
than death.
Don't worry kids, it could beworse, you could be dead.
It used to be give me libertyor give me death.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Now it's give me slavery or give me death.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Now it's give me slavery or death would be worse,
so please give me slavery, okay.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Well, okay, so we went from give me liberty or
give me death to give me slavery.
Okay, well so, okay.
So we went from give me libertyor give me death to give me
slavery.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
We went from step neighbor gets railed by the
front and the back by other stepneighbor to.
To this, to a Willy Wonkareference to this.
Oh man, next time he texts meat 11 o'clock it says Mike, mike
, emergency.
He's going to think twice aboutit.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I, I, you know, I myself have been having a hell
of a week and so it's 10 30 here.
And I got the notification fromliam that he just wasn't going
to be able to do it becauseoakley's screaming and hollering
at him.
And I was just like uh, mikeI'm in.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I want to get an official tally on how many of
these I've done so far.
I got to look through and countthem, see what's going on.
But yeah, I'm always thrilledto be here and thrilled to hang
out.
It's to get some.
I'll talk about this real quick.
This is not a plug, but it isnot that you would stop me from
(29:03):
plugging, but it just feels likea plug.
In my group coaching communitytoday, we were talking, it was
our open floor coaching sessionand we, just there, we just
started goofing off in the chata little bit Like I saw a couple
of jokes here and there I, youknow, lost my straight face and
started laughing.
And you know, we were justbouncing back and forth and I
(29:25):
was getting through some of thelessons and they were throwing
jokes at me in the chat and I'dlaugh and throw it back and by
the end of it we were justhaving fun.
And it was just a powerfulmoment to me, because not two
years ago was I just off ofleaving my job to pursue this
(29:45):
motion that I was picking uponline to see if maybe in about
three months I gave myself threemonths to just break even on my
rent.
I didn't need to be rich.
It still hasn't happened andwon't.
But I just gave myself threemonths to try to break even on
my rent and I made it at thelast minute.
It was back then.
I could not have expected whatall I've gotten to do since, so
(30:10):
I think my point here is like itwill.
That happened before.
Actually, that was a couple ofyears.
Even prior to that, that was 22.
For those of you that don'tknow, I also got a vasectomy a
few years ago.
If anybody's on the fence aboutthis thing, they could have
just as easily done it like at amall kiosk, in a Claire's.
(30:31):
It did not hurt.
There's been no maintenance, noupkeep.
I get tested every year just tomake sure that nothing's
reconnected or nothing.
But it took 20 minutes and Iwalked back to my own car.
The alternative for ourpartners is sometimes
devastating it's Liam'ssituation.
Well, I mean that too.
(30:52):
It's also, you have a baby.
But I'm more so like thehormonal birth controls.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Oh, you were talking about birth control, of female
birth control.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
A baby is the ultimate Holy shit, which is why
I got the vasectomy.
I don't have any kids.
This is me not having kids andnever will.
But yeah, it's just a reallygood option.
Talk to your doctor about it.
Don't listen to your influencer.
Talk to your doctor about it.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Talk to your doctor about Mike's plan.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
My plan is parenthood , my planned parenthood.
The opposite way I I'm planningto, not your planned
non-parenthood yeah, plannednon-parenthood.
We'll have to workshop this one.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
We'll figure it out that's actually um, what you're
talking about there that's.
I think that's something that'ssorely lacking in the health
industry is people just laughingand having fun.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
It's so serious, and if it's not serious it's angry.
And I get angry sometimes, yousee, just like you do.
We're very politically andsocially minded, but to not have
fun with this is what kind oflife is it?
Speaker 1 (31:56):
The thing killing people the most, the thing that
will lower your lifespan themost, is stressing over every
single thing and that's all theywant you to do now is every
ingredient is toxic.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Don't wear certain fabrics because it'll leach into
your flesh and make you grow athird arm.
It's like they want us to beafraid of everything because
they want to create the problemand sell the solution.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Unfortunately, fear does that really well.
You can tell that they do nothave your health interest in
mind because they are notthinking about your mental
health.
No, even if they weren't in itjust for the money, even if they
thought they were doingsomething good for you, they
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were still fear mongering it.
They're still not thinking.
They're only thinking aboutphysical health.
There is more to health thanjust the physical health.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
There's the mental health, there's the sexual
health and there's the Mikeneeds a health, and there's the
Mike needs a health.
When I started my groupcoaching program, I spent the
first three months hardly evenonce talking about weight loss.
I didn't touch calories, Ididn't touch macros.
We would talk habits, but thosehabits could really go towards
any self-building or personaldevelopment.
(33:15):
When I started to introducenumbers, we had such a strong
and solid foundation of habitsthat assigning a point system to
it didn't make it a losing game.
We talked about the mindset.
The mindset is where I started.
Everybody.
I've got a six question systemon how to find your why and it
forces you to introspect andthere's no weight loss questions
(33:37):
about it.
In fact, you can use it for anygoal you have.
That's why I designed it thatway.
The mindset is if you don'thave that and you can't seem to
keep your calories in check andyou can't seem to get your
habits in check and yourweekends are kind of crazy,
don't blame yourself.
This isn't a moral failing.
You didn't do anything wrong.
You just don't know whereyou're going right now.
(33:59):
You've got to have the mindset.
Rob nailed it there.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Well, if you're looking for an e-book, head over
to the In Moderation store andif you're looking for a group
coach, head over to.
Mike Needs a Plan.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Rob, you've got to come in and teach a lesson or
two on that book so we can justhave some kind of joint thing
for people to come check out.
Sounds like a plan.
I think we should do that.
I think people are honestly atthis point now those who have
been asking for me to do collabswith people.
They've probably gotten enoughof me coming on here and making
(34:32):
the fool of myself, as they say,getting to hang out and and
joke and chat it's.
It is so desperately and, likeyou said, sorely needed,
especially through a journeysthat can feel very lonely and
speaking of hanging out, makesure you come check us out on
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twitch today or in the past.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
If you are listening after thursday, you can listen
to it anytime.
Yeah, and don't forget bananabread.
Welcome to In Moderation Interlude, because
Liam is a jerk that decided notto show up.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
What if we just pretend that I am Liam and we
treat me as like a mid-seasonrecast and don't ever Okay, okay
, yeah okay, redo, redo, youknow, scrub that.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
What's up, liam?
Hi, Rob, yes, how's it?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
going Liam?
Hi Rob, how's it going?
It's pretty great.
I was tagged in a bunch ofvideos today and I was told hey,
how do you feel about cottagecheese?
And I said you know whatCottage cheese is okay, that
sounds like Liam.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I mean, that sounds like you.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
That sounds like me.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
That's exactly who I am.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
We already like you Yep, and we already know we're
not approved.
There we go.
You heard it from Liam himself.
No one's going to be able totell the difference.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
But no really, liam is currently on the place in the
US.
I don't know, I don't knowstates, they all look the same,
looking for a new place to live,and unfortunately Oakley is not
letting him do anything.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
So I went over and I was like Mike Mike.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Mike, mike, mike.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Mike, mike.
I just got a bunch of texts ina row.
I said, well, actually what youhad said verbatim let's see,
let's pull this up was Mikeemergency, mike emergency, mike
emergency.
I said Rob, rob, emergency.
And then you just said podcastin all caps and I said give me
15 minutes, I'll be here.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
And actually I'm pretty sure that was faster than
15 minutes.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
It might have been.
Might have been 12 or even 13.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Damn Speeding up, gonzalez, over here.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
They say under promise, over deliver.
That's what I like to do, sothis is an interesting episode.
Liam is not present, it is justyou and me what do you guys
normally do?
When the liam is here in spirit, he is within me, uh, for legal
purposes, spiritually no longerthe father and the son and the
(01:59):
plant slant amen so uh, whatwhat?
I think last time I aired mygrievances about ai being used
for coaching, which if if you'regonna do it at home, like you
know, just on your own, that'sfine.
It's more so that I've got thegrievances of paying for it,
like you just.
You just use it especially ifyou're paying somebody that's
(02:19):
supposed to be doing itthemselves so I perhaps, in the
spirit of that, we could talk alittle bit about maybe what
people don't need to be spendingso much money on on a weight
loss journey or a fitnessjourney.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
There's an idea, Bounce that around for a couple
minutes.
Yeah, because I was justthinking.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I'm trying to do a couple more recipe videos, and
every creamy video Ninja Creamythat I I watch is they always
mention fair life milk right,which is great product.
Can you get that up there whereyou're at?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
we can get fair life, but we can also get the
superior dairy land.
Really okay, tell me aboutdairy dairy land.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I'd love to hear about that well, I don't.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Actually I don't have a comparison to if the Fair
Life is this way in the US, butif I were to serve you the Fair
Life and the Dairyland, youwould think that the Fair Life
was a little bit watered down,like the Dairyland has a lot
more of that milk taste to itInteresting.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Okay, very cool, now I want to see if we have it here
.
Okay, very cool, but now I wantto see if we have it here.
But yeah, fairlife, it's got alittle bit more protein in it,
but it's ultimately just thesame thing as milk, but it costs
twice or three times as much.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
If you see somebody talking about.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Compared to milk, it's like $5 for a thing of
Fairlife and it's not even afull gallon.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
It's like a half gallon.
Yeah, that's.
The other thing about Fairlifeis at least here.
Fairlife is $7 for one and ahalf liters and Dairyland I can
get for $6 for two liters.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Okay, so we've got a slightly considerably, I'd say a
better deal there.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Realistically, it's only like per serving, four
grams more of protein for thesame amount of calories and it's
like I don't know, just forthat little bit of extra oomph.
It's not going to make that bigof a difference, Not something
that you couldn't just make upwith more protein powder, I
suppose.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
It's true.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah.
So if you're concerned aboutwell, I don't want to get that
Fairlife milk you don't have to,you can, if you want, to it's
nice, I love it.
I have a glass of it everymorning, but it's not something
you have to get.
Same with the organic labels.
I'm sure you've talked aboutthat here plenty of times.
You're paying for the name Yepyear plenty of times yeah,
(04:46):
you're paying for the name.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Yep, at that point it's.
There's no pesticides.
There's still whatever.
They're still processed inplants, they're still used in
other things.
It's.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
It's just a fancy name on it, it's the pesticide
they use, like slightlydifferent pesticides, but
they're all the same, and everystudy that we run shows that
none of it makes it to the finalproduct anyway, not in an
amount that matters.
By the that we run shows thatnone of it makes it to the final
product anyway, not in anamount that matters by the way
we're being paid by a bigpesticide to push this, or else
we'd just be dead, we wouldn'tbe, we wouldn't be here.
(05:13):
But I guess in a couple of yearswe won't have that information.
Because the FDA is, funding hasbeen slashed as of the last
couple of days.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Did they really?
I don't keep it up with my news.
That's surprising, butmentioned it.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
He came on and he said that the FDA they are no
longer able to.
They don't have enough fundingto monitor six of the eight
different strains of breakoutsthat they typically account for,
one of which is listeria.
So if there's a listeriaoutbreak in any of our food in
the us, if your state does nothandle it on the state level,
they don't have the funding forit.
It's just not going to bebrought up and we're going to
(05:54):
find that out the hard way,which is getting fucking
listeria I always hate when likeagain, I'm not american, fda is
not my governing body.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
But I always hate when people are like the FDA
doesn't do anything.
It's like because you don'tfund the damn thing.
It needs funding to do things.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
It's like we need the money to do this kind of thing.
Let's see, we've gotCampylobacter Cyclospora,
listeria, shigella Vibriorio,which I've never even heard of
that one, but thank you, fda,for uh having us not hear about
it.
I'm sure we're going to becomefamiliar and uh yersinia, which
(06:34):
I've also not heard of.
I've heard of the other, uhfour of them, but those ones are
no longer being monitored.
That's lovely, are we greatagain?
Hasn happened?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
You'll be great again when you weaken your population
enough for Canada to take over.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I'm ready, I'm completely prepared.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I think a lot of your population is ready.
Universal health care.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
That's another thing that if you move to Canada you
don't have to spend as muchmoney on health care.
You can get your health care.
It's taken care of in yourtaxes.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
So basically, if you want to save money, move to
Canada.
We've got cheaper milk andwe've got better healthcare.
You got an extra room.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yes, I do A snake on in there.
Perfect, I'll be there.
All right, if I can get apassport.
We'll see if I can manage toget a passport here.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I'm pretty sure you're on the list.
You know the ban list whichlist the list that doesn't exist
.
You've been dirty on theinternet list I don't know about
the list.
I've never seen it it was on mydesk for a little while, but
it's gone now.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I don't know what happened to it.
Must have been the wind, Idon't know.
So what else is it that I'malways hearing about in terms of
things that you got to spendextra money on?
On weight loss, you know?
Speaker 1 (07:41):
what you don't have to spend extra money on.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
What's that?
Name brand stuff, yes, oh mygoodness, name brand stuff, yeah
.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
You don't need it.
Half the generic stuff is madein the same factory.
There's not like 20 differentfactories all making different
versions of mini weeds, there'slike two factories and everybody
gets them from that.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
In the sixties I think it was the 60s Elvis and
his team came up with a verybrilliant strategy and that was
to capitalize on the Elvis hate.
So they were selling the Elvismerchandise, but they were also
selling the Elvis, the I hateElvis merchandise.
So they were making money fromboth ends of it.
(08:23):
If you bought a shirt that saidI hate Elvis and he sucks, and
I don't like a very wordy shirt,elvis would get that money.
So that's what you're doingwith your knockoff Fruit Loops.
Go ahead and get them Totallyfine.
Don't you have a brand up inCanada called no Name in?
Speaker 1 (08:39):
the yellow packaging.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yep, literally no Name.
So that is its own company,though right, literally,
literally, that's like its ownbrand, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah, we also have President's Choice, which for
the longest time I thought wasAmerican because it's
President's Choice, but no, it'sCanadian.
You don't have a president, Iknow.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
You have a prime minister, so I have no idea
who's president is Choice ofwho's choosing this.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
What president?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Well, this person.
If they are listening to thispodcast right now, I would love
to hear from them.
So, whoever you are, weprobably have a lot of
presidents listening to thisshow.
Call in.
Do we have a?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
call in.
I will say whoever thispresident is has a good choice
in lemonade.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
The diet lemonade is really good.
Where does this president fallshort?
What are they?
What is the president's choice?
That's like I probably havechosen different um, you know,
I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
I don't think I've had enough of the president's
choice stuff that's at thesupermarket I have to go out of
the way for, and I usually justgo there to get my lemonade what
is it?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
what if this is just a president that we elect to
make the choices for thiscompany, like it's not a
president of anotherorganization or government.
It's just like the president ofthat company, the president of
choices, the president ofchoices, of choice incorporated?
I want to be the president ofchoices it's the only way to get
elected.
Rob lapham for president ofchoices I'd I'd vote for you if
(10:11):
it wasn't for the fact that thisposition is handed down by I
have that.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
I have that autistic food aversion I like and then
like I like the taste ofvegetables.
I don't think people want whatI like.
Why is?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
it that all the president's choice items right
now are dino nuggies and mac andcheese?
We've got an entirerefrigerator full of hundreds of
bags of dino nuggies soundsabout right, so hey I don't
think anybody's going tocomplain about the dino nuggies.
I'm not going to complain no,you, you don't have the real
good brand of chicken, right,it's the brand is called real
(10:45):
good.
Do you have that there?
Speaker 1 (10:47):
uh, don't have the real good brand of chicken right
, the brand is called Real Good.
Do you have that there?
Don't think so.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
No, it is.
I don't know how they're doingthis differently, but they make
chicken nuggets and chickenstrips with a considerable
amount of protein that is higherpercentage-wise in the calories
.
So it's like 23 grams ofprotein to like 140 pounds
calories per serving, orsomething.
It's quite spectacular.
(11:11):
Wow, again, not something youhave to buy.
It is a little bit moreexpensive than your average
nuggies.
So if you can't, afford it.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
That's okay.
It's a little bit more money, alittle bit more protein, but
you don't have to.
You can get it through othermeans.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
You just buy like a pack of chicken breast.
That's what I do.
I buy it in batches everycouple of weeks, cook it and
then I've got some ingredientsfresh or not necessarily fresh,
but ready to go to chop up whenI need it.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I end up getting my chicken whole and butchering it
myself, but I don't thinkeverybody wants to do that.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
No, no, I would let you handle that.
You are the Viking with thetools to handle that.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I would just send it up to you Once again something
you send it up to you Once again, something you don't have to do
.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
So yeah, definitely do not have to do that.
By the way, in case anyone'sjoining and does not know who I
am, I forgot to introduce myselfin the beginning.
I lost 110 pounds.
I am Liam.
I forgot.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
I am Liam, you're Liam and you've lost 110 pounds.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I'm Liam and I've lost 110 pounds.
I now weigh zero pounds.
That man is exceptionally lean,very good looking, very
handsome.
He's got this picture.
I think it's his Facebookpicture.
I don't know how he got thatripped, but I'm angry about it.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I mean you're in the middle of trying to get ripped
yourself.
Right, I'm always in the middleof trying to get ripped.
That's never not the case, butI think you have some sort of
like goal here, don't you?
Speaker 2 (12:39):
you have a photo shoot coming.
The goal is to just not get fatagain right now.
But yes, yeah, I am trying toslim down just a little bit.
I'm chopping a few pounds offin a very slow manner.
When are we releasing the?
When are we releasing the Robphoto shoot?
Speaker 1 (12:54):
The Rob photo shoot the Rob photo shoot, the one I
shared in text messages.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yeah, the one where I said, holy shit, I'd sign up
for this.
Where's this man?
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Well, now that you're teasing everybody with it, it's
Rob hanging out with Pippinyeah In Christmas sweaters.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah, it's quite adorable, really cute christmas
sweaters.
This is very cute christmassweaters matching pippin's, just
chilling his mane is allfluffed out I'm gonna have to
actually do that for mychristmas card next this year.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Oh god, please do the thing.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Have you seen those pictures where they've got like
the cat superimposed in thebackground, like it?
I don't even know how todescribe this I don't think I
have mall photo shoot.
This is a great for an audiomedium, by the way, um I know
it's, it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I'll just describe what I see, and right now I see
mike walking I mean liam walkingon a trackpad while he's
looking up some sort ofsuperimposed cat picture, okay.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
So I have found a few of them.
Let me pull this up because Ican share it with you.
So if you want to find this athome, what you can do is you can
go type in mall photoshootsuperimposed and I'll try to
describe the picture so thatperhaps you too at home can find
it.
Um window chrome tab share.
(14:21):
So it's like this one.
Right here there's a picture ofa man with his family oh that
kind of thing, yeah, and hisface is quite large,
superimposed as the background,and then it's his what I presume
to be wife and three childrenthere smiling, and then he's
just kind of wistfully lookingoff in the distance, but very
(14:43):
large behind him.
And there are several otherslike this one here, the guy with
the mustache and his familysuperimposed on top of it.
That's what I'm talking, andhis family superimposed on top
of it.
That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
So you'd have.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Pippin as this very large superimposition, and then
you'd just be hanging out here.
You could even be holding himstill in there.
Just have a large Pippin behindyou.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
If nobody knows what you're talking about and they're
too lazy to look it up, theyjust have to wait for my
Christmas card to come out.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Rob will be sending them out through his email.
This is a whole family ofpeople dressed up as that one
picture of the rock with theblack turtleneck sweater and the
necklace and the jeans, andit's just six people dressed up
that way.
I would do this.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I think you would be.
That's what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Oh, absolutely.
When are you coming to Texas,when it's safe to?
I guess it means you're notcoming.
I'll have to go to Canada.
There is not a safe time tocome to Texas.
Oh man, I did want to go tovisit you guys this year, but
between border troubles andmoney troubles, the prognosis
(15:48):
was a bit more sunny when wewere talking about this last
year around this time, yeah, andthen a lot of things happened,
politically, personally,schedule wise, in all of our
lives.
It's, it's tough because it's,I'll tell you and I know that
you relate to me, heavy on thisI, finding a community was
(16:11):
always tough for me.
Yeah, it's, I would find afriend here and there, but
finding like a community,finding a unit, was tough.
And we finally found it here,but everybody's spread out so
far away that it's, it's tough.
It's hardly do we ever get toactually see each other,
unfortunately we'll have to putup with streaming together.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Hey, what?
Speaker 2 (16:33):
are you doing tomorrow night?
Uh, tomorrow night I'mstreaming with rob laugham, uh,
doing something ridiculous for acamera we're gonna do.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Uh, no man's sky because it just dropped some
sort of big update.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Let me check it it's been on my wish list for a lot
of years and I've just neverbought it.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
I saw it was on your wish list.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Let me see where it is.
Will this be out?
You turn these around fairlyquickly.
Oh yeah, this will be out bythen.
Okay, so anybody?
Listening to this tomorrow,which is now today, tomorrow
being August 28th, so if anybodylistening to this, today you
want to come hang out with meand Mike and the community will
be on Twitch.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
You can go to my channel, rob Lapham, or you go
to Mike's channel.
Mike needs a plan.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
This is the very narrow sliver of time in which
this podcast is out and thestream has not happened yet.
Yeah, you can.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
You can get congratulations to everybody who
listened to this within thefirst um, uh, 12 hours of it
being released.
You know how about we?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
what should be the code word here?
We should have some kind ofcode word that, if they come
into the chat and they say it so, though, that being said, they
could still say it weeks fromnow.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
So it's only going to count.
Tomorrow We'll know that.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah, it's only going to count tomorrow.
So if you're in and you saybanana bread, you would put
bananas in it.
Somebody that didn't want tojust have a banana and didn't
just want to have bread.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
All right, you come into our stream and you say
banana bread.
What's going to happen?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Aside, of me hating you.
I'm going to whip it out.
I'm going to stand there withmy arms behind my head.
Well, now no one's gonna come.
I might wait until the auto modtakes us out, and that'll, and
I'll do it until I break.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
You know, we should actually.
I should actually do a.
I don't know if I can, I don'tknow if twitch will let me do
this, but, um, whip it out.
We can do a secret inmoderation.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Gift card giveaway oh okay, oh what.
What would be the gift?
Oh, for the, uh, the merchstore, for the merch store yeah
okay, I will wear one of my myshirts tomorrow.
Excellent, I think that'll be agood occasion to whip one of
them out.
Well, you did say you'd whip itout.
I did say and whip it out.
I didn't say what it was, so itwas the in moderation merch.
(18:51):
I've got my mug.
I've got my shirts.
I've got a bunch of books fromyou, some of your training
guides.
You still have those up, right,I bought them a while ago.
Yep, yep.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Still have them.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah, it's great information.
By the way, very affordableprice.
I mean, if we're talking aboutwhat to buy, what not to buy, in
a weight loss journey, that's agreat place to start, very
affordable information.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Good plug and play stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
There it's, I've a fair amount of effort into that
it's fantastic.
It seems like a little bit moreunfair, unless, of course, you
were just a supercomputer of ahuman being, which I know you to
be.
Uh, yeah, it's great info thereand um, you honestly, rob is is
devaluing it by not charging$10 million for it.
So get it before he's got anego about him and charges what
(19:39):
he's worth.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
So yeah, anybody comes into the stream tomorrow
when we're live.
You say banana bread and I'llfigure out a way to put
everybody into a draw.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
See, I've got an unfair advantage because I know
the keyword already.
I don't got to listen to thepodcast to figure it out.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Hosts and guests are not eligible for this reward.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
I guess I'll just not stream tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I've found a way around the system or I'll just
rig it.
Did they have McDonald's?
Speaker 1 (20:13):
You'll just send somebody else in as your Make a
bunch of fake accounts and justcome in.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Oh yeah, Whose Mark needs a plan?
I don't know who that is.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Mark is your Stan.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Did you have McDonald's Monopoly up in Canada
when they were doing that?
Okay, were you aware?
Speaker 1 (20:34):
of the scandal.
I want to say yes, but it's notcoming to mind.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
So there was a scandal in which somebody that
worked at McDonald's corporatehad figured out how to get the
rare pieces and he would justdistribute them to his friends.
He knew where they were going,where they were going to be sent
, and he said well, just go tothis McDonald's at this time and
you'll be able to get the extrapiece.
So, like no one ever won thebig prizes other than this guy's
(21:01):
friends, and that's why theyhad to stop the whole contest,
Wow.
So that's what I'm going to dotomorrow.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I'm going to make sure one lucky guest gets.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Boardwalk Won't be me , so that's what I'm going to do
tomorrow.
I'm going to make sure onelucky guest gets boardwalk.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Won't be me.
It'll just be somebody youconveniently know from somewhere
.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Somebody that just looks like me.
Be like.
I don't have my cool sunglasseshere.
I don't know where they went.
I had my cool sunglasses on forthat bit that I did at the
beginning of the other episode.
You lost your sunglasses.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
We've got to get an official.
An official, you know what else?
That you don't need to spendmoney on fresh fruit, you can
buy frozen, you can buy canned.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
It's in fact, uh purportedly more nutritious to
get it in a canned form, becausethey save it and they store it
and preserve it more quicklywith more of the nutrients
intact particularly when it'sfrozen.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
You like, if you're just a single person, you can
use a little bit and just put itback in the freezer.
You don't have to worry aboutwasting it.
That's what I hate about buyingvegetables and and fruit is
I'll get through sometimes justa quarter of the bag and then
it'll be like, okay, there goesthe rest of it because it I
couldn't eat it fast enough thisis especially good information
(22:14):
for those of you that are usedto the changing of the guards.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
And what I mean by the changing of the guards is
you buy a bag of salad mix withthe best of intentions and then
it sits in your refrigeratoruntil it goes brown and then,
because you want to hold theline, you go buy a new one and
then you replace the old onewith the new one to repeat the
process.
You've changed the guards, soif you are a person who does
(22:38):
this, it's okay.
No one is judging you.
A good way to reintroduce thisis to find a recipe that it
belongs in.
Don't just buy the ingredientsand expect you're going to make
something magical of it.
Go to fucking.
Have you had tasty shreds onhere yet?
No, you got to have tastyshreds on here.
(22:58):
I'll do the episode with him.
I would love to get to hang outwith him here.
He makes great recipes onInstagram.
Just start there.
I won't even give you morenames to those of you listening.
Just go to tastyreds and justfind two or three recipes that
he's got and then go get therecipes or the ingredients for
(23:18):
that.
That's your shopping list.
What do I eat?
What do I do Find shit you likeand then find people that have
lost 80 pounds or 100 pounds,that know how to make good
versions of it that help youlose some weight because they're
lower in calories and higher inprotein but actually taste like
something.
And you're cruising, my friend.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
You know what else you don't need.
You don't.
You don't necessarily need togo to the store.
If you're going to go to thestore and you're going to walk
down the snack aisle and throweverything in the cart, you can
use a delivery service For sure.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
You just look at what's there, take a look, take
a couple of picks and just haveit sent to you.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Great way to go about it and again, like with the
recipe, you've got the listright in front of you.
There's the recipe.
You grab the stuff that's onthe recipe.
You don't have to go looking atthe snacks.
You can even you couldtechnically even use some sort
(24:13):
of uh app or um plug-inextension to block those
specific um urls for snacks andstuff, if you wanted to go that
far, which I.
You don't have to, that's justsaying.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
If you feel like you're at a point where you can
right now, we would both likeyou to revisit that at some
point, but if it's like yourfirst week or something and you
just don't want to see thatstuff up to you, Just like how
people block porn for a month ortwo or three.
Yeah, people do that.
I definitely did that a longtime ago.
I don't see any of that anymore, definitely don't have a second
(24:44):
computer that's a whole topicfor another day.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
You know what else you don't have to do when you're
trying to save money and stuffBuy porn, Jerk off on the subway
.
Oh shit, oh no, you have to dothat.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
That's a passage, it's the best place to do it.
Jer, you have a passage, it'sthe best place to do it.
Jerganoff does not necessarilylower your testosterone nor
motivation.
We don't have any studies toindicate that at any strong
degree.
So anybody that hears thatyou're losing gains by uh,
cranking the hog as the kids sayum, you're fine yeah, I do,
unfortunately, know people thatspend a little too much time and
(25:21):
money looking at porn oh, itcan definitely be a problem like
like, yeah, yeah, let's, let'snot get that mixed up, but it's
in much different ways.
Just like any, uh, mentaldependence on something, a
psychological dependence,especially the way that, like
the studio, stuff is filmedwhere it's quite exploitative
and disgusting in many ways,like it's.
(25:44):
It's best to stay away fromthat.
Anyway, mike's an expert onthat.
I'm an expert in porn.
Yeah, spend a lot of time.
Well, it's what the internet isfor.
Just like some people can heara half second of a beatles song
and know exactly what thebeatles song is, hello me.
I can do the same thing byhearing just a half second of a
clip of porn.
Damn I know exactly what it isEvery time.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
That's impressive.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Not a video.
I haven't seen Anyone's likehow do you keep it?
Up.
Oh, that is Step Neighbor withLarge Rack.
It's Step Neighbor.
It's my mom married somebody'sneighbor, so this is now my step
neighbor.
It's step neighbor.
It's my mom married somebody'sneighbor, so this is now my step
neighbor.
It's a large rack on front andback Gets drilled by other step
(26:29):
neighbor too.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Oh, so the step neighbor is getting drilled by
the step neighbor.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yes, okay, functionally speaking, strangers
.
We don't really need titles inthis situation.
They're just people, they'rejust neighbors.
But it doesn't sell well enoughif we don't include some kind
of incest involved.
Liam, if you're listening backto this, this is what happens
when you leave the driver's seatunattended your dual driver's
(26:59):
seat with Rob, where you've bothgot steering wheels and drive a
zany Roger Rabbit car.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
I almost get the feeling Liam's listening to this
and going.
You know I should do this moreoften.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
He's going to pop up behind you and he's going to be
dressed up in the full WillyWonka garb and say my boy,
you've done it.
It is your factory now.
I was looking for one speciallittle boy to take over.
I got the golden ticket.
Of course we will have to dealwith the slavery allegations,
yeah yeah.
But in the US they're trying tomake that a thing.
(27:33):
They want to teach it inschools that slavery actually
wasn't that bad.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I saw that.
That triggered you.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, but they want to say that slavery is better
than death.
Don't worry kids, it could beworse, you could be dead.
It used to be give me libertyor give me death.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Now it's give me slavery or give me death.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Now it's give me slavery or death would be worse,
so please give me slavery, okay.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Well, okay, so we went from give me liberty or
give me death to give me slavery.
Okay, well so, okay.
So we went from give me libertyor give me death to give me
slavery.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
We went from step neighbor gets railed by the
front and the back by other stepneighbor to.
To this, to a Willy Wonkareference to this.
Oh man, next time he texts meat 11 o'clock it says Mike, mike
, emergency.
He's going to think twice aboutit.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I, I, you know, I myself have been having a hell
of a week and so it's 10 30 here.
And I got the notification fromliam that he just wasn't going
to be able to do it becauseoakley's screaming and hollering
at him.
And I was just like uh, mikeI'm in.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I want to get an official tally on how many of
these I've done so far.
I got to look through and countthem, see what's going on.
But yeah, I'm always thrilledto be here and thrilled to hang
out.
It's to get some.
I'll talk about this real quick.
This is not a plug, but it isnot that you would stop me from
(29:03):
plugging, but it just feels likea plug.
In my group coaching communitytoday, we were talking, it was
our open floor coaching sessionand we, just there, we just
started goofing off in the chata little bit Like I saw a couple
of jokes here and there I, youknow, lost my straight face and
started laughing.
And you know, we were justbouncing back and forth and I
(29:25):
was getting through some of thelessons and they were throwing
jokes at me in the chat and I'dlaugh and throw it back and by
the end of it we were justhaving fun.
And it was just a powerfulmoment to me, because not two
years ago was I just off ofleaving my job to pursue this
(29:45):
motion that I was picking uponline to see if maybe in about
three months I gave myself threemonths to just break even on my
rent.
I didn't need to be rich.
It still hasn't happened andwon't.
But I just gave myself threemonths to try to break even on
my rent and I made it at thelast minute.
It was back then.
I could not have expected whatall I've gotten to do since, so
(30:10):
I think my point here is like itwill.
That happened before.
Actually, that was a couple ofyears.
Even prior to that, that was 22.
For those of you that don'tknow, I also got a vasectomy a
few years ago.
If anybody's on the fence aboutthis thing, they could have
just as easily done it like at amall kiosk, in a Claire's.
(30:31):
It did not hurt.
There's been no maintenance, noupkeep.
I get tested every year just tomake sure that nothing's
reconnected or nothing.
But it took 20 minutes and Iwalked back to my own car.
The alternative for ourpartners is sometimes
devastating it's Liam'ssituation.
Well, I mean that too.
(30:52):
It's also, you have a baby.
But I'm more so like thehormonal birth controls.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Oh, you were talking about birth control, of female
birth control.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
A baby is the ultimate Holy shit, which is why
I got the vasectomy.
I don't have any kids.
This is me not having kids andnever will.
But yeah, it's just a reallygood option.
Talk to your doctor about it.
Don't listen to your influencer.
Talk to your doctor about it.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Talk to your doctor about Mike's plan.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
My plan is parenthood , my planned parenthood.
The opposite way I I'm planningto, not your planned
non-parenthood yeah, plannednon-parenthood.
We'll have to workshop this one.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
We'll figure it out that's actually um, what you're
talking about there that's.
I think that's something that'ssorely lacking in the health
industry is people just laughingand having fun.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
It's so serious, and if it's not serious it's angry.
And I get angry sometimes, yousee, just like you do.
We're very politically andsocially minded, but to not have
fun with this is what kind oflife is it?
Speaker 1 (31:56):
The thing killing people the most, the thing that
will lower your lifespan themost, is stressing over every
single thing and that's all theywant you to do now is every
ingredient is toxic.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Don't wear certain fabrics because it'll leach into
your flesh and make you grow athird arm.
It's like they want us to beafraid of everything because
they want to create the problemand sell the solution.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Unfortunately, fear does that really well.
You can tell that they do nothave your health interest in
mind because they are notthinking about your mental
health.
No, even if they weren't in itjust for the money, even if they
thought they were doingsomething good for you, they
(32:42):
were still fear mongering it.
They're still not thinking.
They're only thinking aboutphysical health.
There is more to health thanjust the physical health.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
There's the mental health, there's the sexual
health and there's the Mikeneeds a health, and there's the
Mike needs a health.
When I started my groupcoaching program, I spent the
first three months hardly evenonce talking about weight loss.
I didn't touch calories, Ididn't touch macros.
We would talk habits, but thosehabits could really go towards
any self-building or personaldevelopment.
(33:15):
When I started to introducenumbers, we had such a strong
and solid foundation of habitsthat assigning a point system to
it didn't make it a losing game.
We talked about the mindset.
The mindset is where I started.
Everybody.
I've got a six question systemon how to find your why and it
forces you to introspect andthere's no weight loss questions
(33:37):
about it.
In fact, you can use it for anygoal you have.
That's why I designed it thatway.
The mindset is if you don'thave that and you can't seem to
keep your calories in check andyou can't seem to get your
habits in check and yourweekends are kind of crazy,
don't blame yourself.
This isn't a moral failing.
You didn't do anything wrong.
You just don't know whereyou're going right now.
(33:59):
You've got to have the mindset.
Rob nailed it there.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Well, if you're looking for an e-book, head over
to the In Moderation store andif you're looking for a group
coach, head over to.
Mike Needs a Plan.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Rob, you've got to come in and teach a lesson or
two on that book so we can justhave some kind of joint thing
for people to come check out.
Sounds like a plan.
I think we should do that.
I think people are honestly atthis point now those who have
been asking for me to do collabswith people.
They've probably gotten enoughof me coming on here and making
(34:32):
the fool of myself, as they say,getting to hang out and and
joke and chat it's.
It is so desperately and, likeyou said, sorely needed,
especially through a journeysthat can feel very lonely and
speaking of hanging out, makesure you come check us out on
(34:53):
twitch today or in the past.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
If you are listening after thursday, you can listen
to it anytime.
Yeah, and don't forget bananabread.
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