June 12, 2025 • 58 mins
Vulnerability rarely comes packaged with laughter, but in this episode, we navigate the complex terrain of men's mental health through both heartfelt confessions and irreverent humor.
The conversation begins with our trademark banter before Mike, Rob, and Liam craft ridiculous fad diet concepts like "The Gorilla Diet" (eat like gorilla, be like gorilla) – highlighting how simplified messaging often trumps scientific accuracy. But beneath this comedic exterior lies a profound discussion about why men struggle to open up.
Mike courageously shares a deeply personal moment where he stood by a highway, waiting for a truck that never came – a pivotal moment that, had it gone differently, would have meant you'd never know his name today. This raw confession illustrates how close many men come to the edge before finding reasons to step back. "This is the longest stretch I've gone in a long time wanting to be here," Mike reveals. "That is possible for you."
We explore how traditional masculinity creates barriers to emotional expression and help-seeking, with Rob describing a moment when he was told to "man up" while crying at a friend's funeral. The hosts examine the growing isolation crisis, where despite living among thousands, meaningful connections become increasingly rare, especially with the rise of remote work and online-only friendships.
Through stories of survival, support, and second chances, we challenge listeners to recognize that vulnerability isn't weakness – it's essential for healing. Whether you're struggling yourself or know someone who might be, this episode reminds us that behind every laugh, joke, and seeming confidence, real people face real battles.
What's your relationship with vulnerability? When was the last time you checked on your friends – not just with a text message, but a meaningful conversation? We'd love to hear your thoughts.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Welcome.
It's good to start right here.
Speaker 3 (00:02):
Love it.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
Go, go, go go.
Welcome back to In Moderation,You're better at introducing
than we are.
The show where you get amoderate dose of sarcasm, advice
, and we already know we're notapproved this fucker's got a
soundboard.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
You know it's true because it had an echo.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I've got lights too.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
If anybody says something I don't like, call
them out for it.
It looks like, yeah, policelights is a red.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Yes, that will go over well on Spotify.
Can't you get like aspectrograph thing?
Have you ever seen those thingswhere like people will put like
a kiss song through avisualizer and they'll find two
things that look like devilhorns and they'll say oh yeah, I
don't think that's true.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
OK, now I'm now I have to look at that when I'm
editing this episode see what itlooks like they do the craziest
.
Like you know.
They'll have, like you know, awoman set up at like a high
school, like a militaryrecruiter, with a bunch of cans
of monster.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
OK, I remember the monster.
I was actually going to say Iremember the monster lady
talking about how monster is thedevil, like it's calls to the
devil.
I don't, I don't remember likeanything else about it, I am
unaware of this.
Oh, you haven't seen?
Yeah, no, she's standing there.
She's like monster and there'slike a little symbol, you know,
and they're like this symbol,looks like this symbol, which
means the devil, like okay, andthere's three scratch marks and
(01:20):
if you do three times two, ifyou, you have a second monster,
which everyone always says too.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
You know, the one is half serving of monster.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I love those videos where they just put random words
, random random numbers together, Like they add things up.
And then you were subtract twoand you add seven, and I'm like
and then you have six, six, six.
I'm like you just fucking putnumbers together to get like
what?
Oh, I love it, Congratulations.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
You mapped.
If one plus one equals two,I'll be leaving this
conversation now.
Hold on, let's put it throughthe calculator.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Fate has ordained that here we are bye, mike
goodbye, bye it was nice havingyou I can't do math.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I the only math I can do is adding the number of
ingredients on the back of anutrition label and if it's more
than 50, 50 brain cellchallenge.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Oh, the 50 brain cell challenge.
That's fucking great.
What jeff josh or whatever hisname is, I don't remember like
this, josh, it's jeff or josh, Idon't remember but like guys if
you, for every ingredient youlose a brain cell, then you have
50 of them and I'm just like,oh man, this spice is going to
fucking ruin me right now.
Right, it's going to be so bad.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Like tell me you don't spice your food without
telling me you don't spice yourfood, oh God.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I love this Because you've got to make it simple,
man, and those simple things aregreat.
Oh, can I?
So I went on recently.
I, oh, can I?
So I went on recently.
I went on because it's out now,go check it out.
I went on um, a hot dog is asandwich, like the freaking
mythical oh no way podcast.
Yeah, yeah, it was fun, uh.
And so I was like we weretalking about fad diets and I
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wanted to.
I was like, let's make up ourown fad diet and I want to get
your guys's opinion on this.
Okay, hear me out here.
The people who listen on thatone probably know.
But whatever, the gorilla diet,the gorilla diet, hear me out,
hear me out, okay, so listen,I'm already hating this because
it's going to involve bananas.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
No, it's well, it's really not actually going to
involve bananas.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I don't think they really eat bananas.
Yeah, I hear, listen, listen,here's.
Here's the thing.
Okay, because it's people wantsimple.
Right, you need like simple eatlike gorilla, be like gorilla.
That's simple.
Does it make sense?
No, but that doesn't matter.
It's very simple and we couldget our point across there.
Now, here the issue is gorillaseat about 40 to 50 pounds of
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vegetation a day, so I've Ifound a workaround around that.
Here's what we do.
You ready?
Okay, we lie.
We just straight up lie aboutwhat they eat.
It's it I people aren't goingto check on it.
We can say they eat whatever.
Now we could go a little bitmore towards the truth.
And because they eat mostlylike vegetables, so you're like,
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oh, yeah, all that and they eatfruit.
Here's the thing.
Yeah, I was just gonna say theyeat fruit and they eat insects,
but we could just say they eatprotein.
Then you just eat whateverprotein you want.
Then you eat vegetables, fruitsand protein.
People will lose weight eatingthat, right, if you just cut out
everything else.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
We'll just leave the information that gorillas can
extract proteins from plantsbetter than us.
We'll just put that aside.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
No, no, no, we don't talk about that.
You eat like gorilla, be likegorilla and also they're this.
There's the whole like hundredhumans versus gorilla thing
going on.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
We need to capitalize on it.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
I like right, yes, if you're the gorilla you're gonna
beat the hundred people right,exactly, eat like gorilla beat a
hundred people oh okay, um andthen that one or um the
gladiator diet, which is thesame thing, but you eat like
gladiators.
Now, gladiators are just likepoor peasants, so they just got
like fucking gruel and shit.
They got like barley they ate alot of barley because it was
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cheap, right so.
But they people would just beeating a lot of that, but they
would still lose weight eatingthat.
But you want to eat, but eatlike a gladiator.
That's like you, you knowfucking masculine or some shit.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
So I think I got to add, like you got to have, like
the, the short sword that you'relike stabbing into your
whatever Usually usually barleySpeaking of vegetables, stabbing
at your whatever, when, whenyou say eat like gorilla, be
like gorilla.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
How?
How much do I have to be likegorilla?
Like?
Do I have to be like Gorilla?
Do I also have to masturbate atthe zoo, or can I skip that
part of it?
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I mean, hey, I'm not going to shame you if you're
into that.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Well, I still stick with.
Do what works for you.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Do what?
Speaker 3 (05:32):
works for you.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
We still add that in there, right.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I eat a banana.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Also, we got to leave out the fact that Gorillas have
a penis that's one and a halfinches long.
That's a real fact.
Look it up.
I'm not joking about that.
We don't want people to be like, oh I'm going to be like that.
You think gorilla like superhung?
No, it's a big animal, Small,small penis.
That's because here's the thinghumans, compared to other
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animals, actually have largerpenises than you should.
That is because of overthousands of years of evolution,
Women have chosen men withlarger penises, which is why,
when women say size doesn'tmatter, I'm like I don't know,
Like thousands of years ofevolution, kind of point in the
other direction.
That's all I'm saying.
That's all I'm saying.
Look, what kind of podcast do wedo here?
(06:20):
Are we talking about food.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
If any gorillas are listening, are we talking about
food?
If any gorillas are listening,we just want you to know that
you are valuable as you are.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
I know we're playing for your size it's how you use
it cincinnati, philadelphia, newyork.
This, this goes out to everyzoo well, personally, I'm on
board with the gladiator dietbecause the gorilla instantly
makes me think banana andfucking ass I don't even really
think of bananas.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
I guess a monkey Like , but I don't know.
I don't think of banana withgorilla.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
I don't know, but like dude.
So on my birthday stream lastweek I finally did a.
I tried attempting to eat abanana, yeah, which went so bad,
oh.
No, like it went actually worsethan I thought it would.
I thought I'd be able toactually masticate a little bit,
(07:09):
maybe swallow some.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
no, the instant it went into my mouth I was just
like oh they are an odd texture,like I'll give you that I don't
think you're weird for thatevery everybody that watched it
was like oh shit, rob reallydoesn't like bananas.
I believe it now do you guysremember that a year ago I lost
a filling on this show because Ibought Banana Laffy Taffy as a
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bit to piss you off?
Speaker 3 (07:35):
specifically, that was like the first time you came
on, wasn't it that?
Speaker 1 (07:39):
was, I think, the first time I had come on here
and I lost a filling and Ididn't say anything during the
show because I'm like I didn'tsay anything during the show
because I'm like I don't I don'tknow if this is going to derail
the show.
And then, of course, you had meon.
What a week.
And a half ago and the firstthing I said was Dave Asbury's
penis stem cells filling bedamned, but the thing we
actually, we spawned a realpenises a lot we do I mean a?
(08:00):
scientific conversation aboutthat.
Like we, we were talking aboutthe logistics, what it would
take.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Are we just coping?
I kind of feel like we're justcoping.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Or maybe we're just comfortable with our cells and
our bodies.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Let's go with that over.
We're coping.
It doesn't matter what theanswer is.
I'd say we go with that.
When people ask.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
The way that I always phrase it is that a good doctor
will never shy away from sayingthe terms.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
They'll just say it yeah, they just drop it and
we're basically doctors, exactlyimagine if your doctor was
insinuating.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
He's like yeah, so there's, we found something in
your uh in my work on your uh,you know, just like, yeah, my
holding thing down there, youknow you know, just say it, doc,
we found a lump in your, inyour.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
You know your gets the banana out and starts.
You know, your, your.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
There may be cancer in your show coming to fox soon,
where there's like a doctorwho's just afraid to say these
sort of things but always findshimself in this situation, and
that's the whole show.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Ok, ok, ok so so I'm mutuals with Jesse Stram who is
she plays one of the doctors onChicago Med.
I'm so going to pitch this toher.
I'm going to pitch this to herso she can pitch it to the
writers and have, like a guestdoctor, come on.
That's great.
So she can pitch it to thewriters and have like a guest
doctor, come on that's afraid tosay penis.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I don't think you could revolve a whole show
around it, but you couldabsolutely have a character Like
a Dr Hartman from like you knowwhat you call it Family Guy,
like that kind of reoccurringcharacter that does stupid wacky
shit.
You could have that character.
I think it would do very well.
That would be amazing.
Like every do very well, thatwould be amazing.
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Like he.
Every patient always, it alwaysends up with something with
their butthole or their, their,their genitals or whatever.
And like he's just, he's justlike, like he just can't say
like I feel like that wouldfucking kill, that would kill
and you could, and like youcould, have it on fox because
like you, know, they're notdoing.
They don't have to like swearor anything like that, you know,
it just shows them reallyuncomfortable.
I think.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
I think we got something here perfect this is
gonna be the next two and a halfthat's.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
That's the entire podcast that's it.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
We just want everybody.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Don't be your worst penises and come up with a good
idea for show what else do youneed?
Speaker 1 (10:14):
always wash, your always watch you know, pull back
and make sure to get under theso so this was originally going
to be just me and liam.
But then I brought mike inbecause I decided it's mental
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men's mental health, but it'smental health month I mean, and
who the fuck do you know is moredepressed and screwed up than
Mike needs a plan.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I didn't say it.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
I did not say it.
Oh, I said it.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
That's why you brought me here to say it, but I
know you and I have definitelybeen going through a lot of
stuff lately.
Liam has a kid, so he's goingto be depressed for the next 18
years.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
I consider myself very blessed.
I have a lot of things going on, but things are still going
overall very well.
I've never actually reallydealt with significant issues.
I've gone to therapy and stuff,because everybody should do
that and work through some shit,but I've never had actual,
really significant mental healthissues.
I always feel like I just don't.
I never really know.
I sympathize but I can'tempathize as much, you know, as
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I, as you know, I'd like to beable to.
So I just kind of like I tryand give, let the door open for
other people to give their theirstories, because I'm like I
don't, I don't really have awhole lot, but I know, um, I
know, actually the majority ofour listeners are identify as
female but, like even for thosepeople, the importance of
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talking about men's mentalhealth.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
There's the trend going around on tiktok I don't
know if you got, well, you guyshave definitely seen it where
there's some women that aremaking fun of, yeah, men's
mental health, yeah, that'severywhere um, it'll say like uh
, you know, let's have a momentof silence for all the men that
are jamming out to some rockstuff and like I get it.
We hate men, I get it, but thatis just adding to the problem.
(12:15):
Because we are.
We need men to feel comfortablewith the ability to open up,
and if you're making fun of them.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
they're not going to yeah comfortable with the
ability to open up and if you'remaking fun of them, they're not
going to.
Yeah, luckily, I mean I've onlyseen these videos, these
incredibly offensive videos, uh,in the context of other people
reacting to them, so I actuallyhaven't seen them organically.
So I mean, that tells me thatthe message of positivity and
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like no everybody here mattersis spreading more than the
original.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Or just that you're on the right side of social
media, or that yeah, I mightjust be Well, I mean the woman
who that main woman who did it?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
she got her account like deleted or she deleted
everything she got bullied offthe Internet yeah.
Yeah, so I like, at least we.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
The reaction was swift and harsh, as kind of as
it called for, really, becauseyeah, it's definitely a problem
that men are brought up in theenvironment that they're not
allowed to talk about things,not allowed to seek help.
Yeah, and I mean I told thatstory about it Then.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, I told that story about, like you know, my
friend of mine who died and Iwas crying and like his dad oh
yes, his dad was like man up,like at his own son's funeral
Like I was crying and I was likeshit.
Like I at the time I kind offelt shame but, like later, I
was like you're telling peoplenot to cry at your son's funeral
?
If that's, if it's not OK tocry, then I don't know when it
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would be acceptable, right?
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Like so it would be acceptable.
Right like so it's, it'sdefinitely still crazy.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
It might have just been a really strange coping
mechanism man.
It was an older guy like I, Ithink.
Maybe, just like you know, it'sstill around today, but, like
you know, several decades agowas even worse yeah, I think
it's even well.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
It's getting even more polarizing.
Today we have all the socialmedia pushing the alpha bro
mentality, the uh, the andrewtates of the world I think that,
though right, that's a reactionto people opening up right like
don't you think that in atleast some way, that's like men
are becoming more, morecomfortable?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
and then you have people who just are so against
that that you need to createthis like super alpha bro.
So I feel like that's areaction to it, but maybe not.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, I mean, whether it's reaction or not, it's
speak about this when I wasyounger.
Perhaps it would have beeneasier and they're escaping that
sort of red pill thoughtexperiment.
I grew up in an environment anda community where that was fine
to talk about these things andI still didn't tell anybody when
I got close.
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Even if you come up in anenvironment where that is more
talked about or more accepted orwhat have you, it can still be
extremely difficult to talkabout, so like if anybody's
feeling like they're weird orwrong or why can't I do this for
myself?
It's, it's a tough subject tobreach.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yeah, yeah, I brought .
I was brought up in a moretraditional conservative
environment.
Um, my dad is your typicalolder not quite as bad as from
Liam's story, but still thetypical older conservative.
Be a man type.
And then, of course, I'm inAlberta, so we're heavily on the
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.
You need to be a man, gohunting, don't ask for
directions, and you can see itaffecting a lot of the young
people, unfortunately, and it'sit's really unfortunate, because
by the time we're done thispodcast, how many people have?
Well, how many men will havecommitted suicide?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
noel's been putting some good videos up lately.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Right, I was just gonna yeah, I've seen that I
think when you're younger youare just more impressionable,
right, I mean?
yeah for for better or for worse.
And I think it's it's verydifficult to realize these
things until you're older, Ithink, because we get a lot of
these stories right where you're, like in your people in their
40s or 50s, like I didn'trealize that when I was a
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teenager or my 20s until lateron.
So it's, it's once they kind offall into that it's tough to
kind of like, hey, try and reachthem afterwards, because then
they just kind of feel like theyneed to just be a man and
harden up or whatever you know.
So I it's, it's I don't knowit's really tough to reach
people at that age, especiallybecause you feel especially, you
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know, in your 20s you feel sureabout everything.
I was talking about this earliertoday, when you're in your 20s
you just feel so sure aboutthings you're like, no, I know.
And then you get older you'relike, oh shit, I didn't know and
so.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
And sometimes it's something like this that can
really fuck you over later onI've mentioned before, one of my
favorite feedbacks I get arefrom young men who are looking
for role models and they comeacross my stuff and they're like
this is this is what I need itlike you're.
You're not pushing that, um,that toxic masculinity, and
(17:31):
let's, let's define that quickly.
It's okay to be masculine.
There's a difference betweentoxic masculinity and
masculinity.
Um, you can be a man withoutbeing a huge dick about it.
I had to throw the penis inthere.
I mean the, the dangly thingyou had to throw.
You know the.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
You know the shit you know who's a good example of
that scotty, of the very untoxicmasculinity it's like that's
what you it's.
It's to the point where, likehe's got the image and he's
aware of this too like he's saidthis to me and he's I'm sure he
said this to you guys too wherehe's like I look like I would
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be one of those you know, guntoting, harassing people for my
truck conservatives.
So, yeah, people are surprisedwhen he's not him and I just
went up against the homophobe acouple of days ago in his
comments, who was talking allsorts of shit.
It was ridiculous, but he waslike surprised that scotty
wasn't also homophobic.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Oh geez I remember one of his first videos where
that blew up he, he did a happypride month and he just seemed
like happy pride month and heate a cupcake that was, like you
know, rainbow and people werefucking furious.
Yeah, because he, they people,they thought he was more, uh,
you know more of the toxicrainbow what it does help, I
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think, though, because peoplesee him and they kind of expect
that.
But then when it's the reverse,like oh, okay, so like there's
somebody like this, I think thatguy, I think that does.
That does help, at least forfor some people, right?
Yeah, because you know you, youyou expect to see people who
are or more I don't knowopen-minded liberal, whatever it
is, look a certain way.
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When you see someone the otherside, you're like, hey, everyone
is okay with other people beingother people.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
That's cool yeah, yeah, dude, I remember when,
freaking, you guys had yourjanuary 6th insurrection and
people thought I was from q anonq, oh god, yeah, I legit had
people coming into my commentsand they thought I was queuing
on, whether they were cominginto my comments to like follow
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me or whatever because of that.
Or there were people that likestraight up, were like I can't
listen to you because you'rethis toxic, masculine, blah,
blah, blah.
And I'm like the guy with theViking hat that he's talking
about.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Remember the guy with the viking hat that he's
talking about.
Remember the guy with theviking hat and the the face
paint.
He went to jail for a couple ofyears.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
He was like a main character of the insurrection q
anon.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Shaman that guy, the q anon yeah, that's who it was
that just clicked.
I'm like, yeah, the beard, yep,yep, okay, so that's why they
were coming at you for it.
They're like you're the guy.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
yeah, you're the guy, yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
You're the guy.
I also had my head shaved atthat time, so of course, the
whole skinhead thing, which ishilarious because the reason I
had shaved my head was forcancer.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Cancer, white supremacy and to be a white
skinhead.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Oh, I had to be a skinhead.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yes, you knock two birds out with one stone.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Cancer and fascism same disease.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
My hair is only allowed to go to white children.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Can you imagine growing out your hair for one of
those donation things and yougive it to them with the
stipulation that the kids haveto be white?
Oh God.
Well, thank you for thisdonation.
You've been growing your hairand taking care of it for five
years, perfectly.
You just make sure it goes onto a white kid's.
Why is this like a very grownman?
Speaker 3 (21:12):
if anybody listening is working in the cancer wig
industry and you've had thathappen, send us an email.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
We'd like to talk to you.
It's just like the baker whowouldn't bake for, like the gay
couple.
You know, I won't make.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
I won't make wigs or it's it's getting to the point
where that's gonna be.
We're going to long forheadlines like that.
Remember when it was about acake, not about, but that's the
thing.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
that's the thing, though, is like I think they,
the people who really push that,like helped him right and got
him like legal help and whatnotthey were just trying to set a
precedent they didn't reallycare about.
Like they obviously don't careabout like, oh, you know, a cake
for a gay couple, but thatgives them the precedent for the
future to be like well, now, wecan not give people of color,
(21:58):
gay people, other other things,these things Right, so it's
really just about getting thelegal framework in motion.
So you're like well, accordingto court case 342, we didn't
give a gay couple this, so let'snot give them this as well.
So it's all.
Just, you know, it's all, it'sall planned out.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah.
How does anybody, any smallbusiness owner, have the freedom
to racially or sexuallydiscriminate in this economy?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
I kind of feel like it's a plan to be like just to
get the homophobes on your side,maybe like I don't know.
You remember when Chick-fil-Awas like no gay people, and then
people came out in droves tolike support them.
Because they were like, yeah,we also don't like those people
doing those things, like I mean,it's a fucking wild tactic, but
it appears to work.
That was a thing down there.
(22:49):
Yeah, oh, totally.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Chick-fil-a was like no, we don't know about that or
maybe you like heard about thatin passing, but they were
donating to anti-gay charities,which how is that a thing that?
Speaker 1 (23:01):
can you have a charity that is against a thing
In America, the America Brothers?
Speaker 2 (23:06):
You can charity for anything bro.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
US something or other .
I posted a comment on a videorecently where I had said most
of you who are mad about most ofyou who are supporting the ice
raids could not pass the uscitizen citizenship test.
Like there's just not a shot.
You're gonna pass it everyone'slike.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Well, I don't have to because I live here I'm like,
oh okay, I don't know if I couldpass it.
Yeah, what are some?
Can we like google?
Can I google some of thequestions and just ask and see
like let's see.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Let's see if I can uh could become a.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah, googling the citizenship test right now.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Let's see if I can actually pull this.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Test your knowledge.
Yeah, what is one right orfreedom from the First Amendment
?
Speaker 3 (23:51):
The Second Amendment is the right to bear arms.
Right?
The First Amendment would bewouldn't that be free speech?
Freedom of speech, you got it,yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Yes, one for one.
You're be free speech freedomof speech.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
You got it right.
Yeah, yeah, yes, one for one,you're already a better american
than I'm a citizen now, that'sit, uh.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Second question identify one branch or part of
the government uh judicial,judicial legislative yep and the
other one and the other one,yeah and the other one.
If the president can no longerserve, who becomes president?
Speaker 3 (24:21):
would that be the vice president?
Dick cheney, dick cheney comesback and he's still he's still
whoever which president dies.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Dick cheney comes back and becomes president
president gets cycled out everyfour years, but the vice
president is appointed dickcheney just sticks around man,
200 years old, he's still goinghenry kissinger times two oh god
, don't say that name rob, canyou like bleep that out in a way
(24:49):
that you can still tell whatI'm saying?
Speaker 2 (24:51):
no, I don't want them to know.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I want people to be confused I just I want his name
to be profanity.
How many justices are in thesupreme Court, Rob?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Oh God, when was the Constitution written?
Speaker 3 (25:04):
I Supreme, okay, supreme Court.
Remember, he's Canadian, you'renine.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Wait, no, what I said .
When was the Constitutionwritten?
Speaker 3 (25:16):
No, mike asked about the Supreme Court.
Okay, I was like wait what?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
The Constitution was written in 9.
Ad, it's 9?
.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
BC or AD.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
It's very important.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
We like this guy's nerve, we'll let him pass on
that one too, the Constitution?
Speaker 3 (25:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
I can almost guarantee you would have gotten
in on name one section of theUnited States government.
I'm almost certain that wouldhave gotten in on name one
section of the United Statesgovernment.
I'm almost certain that wouldbe the one.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
How many Supreme Court justices are there?
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Democrats Fucking Republicans.
No, you've already failed.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
How many Supreme Court justices is there?
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Nine.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Nine, I did get that right, oh sweet.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
The Constitution, I wouldn't have gotten this.
1787 is when the Constitutionwas written.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
You and I both already had no clue.
Monkey brains would have said1776, and we would have gotten
sent.
Yeah, we were like the year itwas founded.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
We also wrote it.
It was a busy year forAmericans.
It was a lot going on.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
They wrote Star Wars that year.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
What's the capital of the United States, rob, what's
the capital?
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Oh, I know this, it's Surrey BC.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yes, yes, yes, I'm in Great Well, I'm probably not.
I still probably wouldn't passthat.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
I'll just be a citizen of something else.
I am now an American citizen.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
You're more of an American than we are.
I'm a citizen of New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I'll see you guys later.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I'm going to be a Kiwi, go from one country.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Kiwi or Hobbit, one or the other.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
The United States You're too tall to be a Hobbit
and New Zealand Are the twocountries On the planet when you
are allowed To run commercialAdvertisements For medications
that are prescription only.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Oh it's.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
New Zealand.
One or two, the other one?
Fuck, it is the other one.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I should have picked a different place now you're
going yeah, you're still goingto get boner pill ads over there
damn, I guess this bloodpressure, dementia, everything.
You can see that suddenly makessense.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Like I, I never see these medication commercials,
except for when my dad'swatching, like certain channels,
and of course they're americanchannels.
And now I'm like, oh, it's notlegal there.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
They have regulations as they should bro.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Bro, there was a fucking ad during the super bowl
, the bowl of super.
There was a.
There was okay.
No, you're mike, you'rethinking of a different one.
You can talk about that one ifyou want to.
I'm thinking of another one.
Okay, but you can go on to talkabout the ozempic bullshit if
you want.
I am talking about there was,um, a stool softener
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specifically for people who areon opioids, for, like, yes, it
was for people who areconstipated because they got
opioids that's that's such afucking like, that's it's not.
It's apparently so much not aniche that it can be aired
during the super bowl and theycan pay millions of dollars to
(28:03):
advertise this.
I'm like we're so cooked as thekids would say we're so fucking
cooked as a country, could youimagine?
Speaker 1 (28:10):
you just pan over to the stands and it's a bunch of
people who are completely out oftheir minds on opioids and
they're constipated as hell andconstipated, but not for me they
hear me, they see me oh my godI couldn't, I couldn't believe.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I was like this is I'm so, we're fucked.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
We're so fucked the united states imports 80 80 of
the world's opium comes straighthere to the united states I
miss our butt.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Wiser ads we.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
We have 2% of the population, 2% of the world's
population, or a little bit lesslike 1.5, something like that.
80% of the world's opium iscoming here and we've got at
least 50%, if not more, of theworld's drug commercials.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
We've definitely got more we definitely got a little
more got more like 75 percent,maybe 80 percent.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
We're importing a lot of 80 percent's over here and
then that's very impressive I'mvery proud.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
I'm not sure I want to be a citizen anymore.
Oh, it's too late, too bad.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
You're already that's why we made the test so damn
easy.
We could snap you like a notgetting out.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
The fact these immigrants want to be in our
country is telling.
We should let them.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Well, they see our news and they want to come here,
and I don't think we'retricking them over here.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Let's be honest, they're just trying to make
their way up to Canada, but youguys stopped them, so America,
land of the free home of thestool softeners caused by opium,
let's go get in oh man yeah,there was another commercial
during the super bowl thatreally pissed me off yeah, I
know
Speaker 1 (29:49):
that I'll talk about this one forever, because this
company has has emailed me what?
Two or three times now tryingto get me to sell their bullshit
for them.
They start off by saying somegood stuff, like it's oh yeah,
difficult to lose weight.
Yes, it is super difficult tolose weight.
So many americans are havingtrouble with it.
Yes, yes, we are.
And there's a crookedpharmaceutical industry that is
(30:11):
treating symptoms rather thancauses and it's keeping people
sick and and confused and scared, and at that point point I'm a
little bit hard.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
And hepped up on opiums.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
And opiates can't shit for shit.
Ordering my stool softeners,I'm plugged up like I just took
a bunch of Metamucil and wentfor a 5K and then they say, well
, there's one solution here.
And I'm thinking, well, they'regoing to talk about how we
should be making lifestyle.
What are they about to sell us?
Are they about to sell us?
(30:42):
Are they about to sell us likea pill that allows us to do
these things consistent?
No, they're selling GLP-1medications.
Yep, glp-1 medications.
They're selling on this thing.
And is it well?
With glp-1s, you don't have todo any of this shit.
You never have to look at avegetable again.
Fuck.
You just take our, our thingwherever you want to inject it
in your eyeballs, behind yourears, in your ass, in your ass,
(31:05):
wherever you want it.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
And it's I, yeah and it was really the like uh,
pharmaceuticals bad, they areout to get you.
Would you like to buy thisproduct from?
Speaker 1 (31:16):
us.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
It's like what a fucking turnaround you just did
but you can have our needleinstead.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
And then, yeah, right , they zoom in real close on the
needle and needles like yeah,come on, guys, give me a try,
don't worry about it littlegoogly eyes on it everyone's
like ah, you know, I was kind ofnervous about the needle, but
then as soon as he startedtalking he got cute yeah, that
was an interesting, I was lethim in me yeah, that was, that
was an interesting one.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Yeah, see, the only super bowl commercial I knew of
was seals kiss from a rose thebomb blast kiss from a rose.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Have you not seen this?
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I don't know.
I probably have, but I'm notsure what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
You probably blocked it out because it's traumatic.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
These young people.
They're all on a boat hangingout normal horror movie setup.
And then somebody's like lookover there on the rocks.
And then they pan over and it'sa bunch of seals, including a
seal with seal's face on it,singing Kiss from a Rose, but
like a weird owl version aboutbaja blast.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Wow, we've really hit late stage capitalism, haven't
we?
Speaker 1 (32:22):
this is a recession indicator.
Cecil singing about baja blastoh, and that's that was the
whole, and the thing is it'syeah, they may have only played
like 30 seconds, but you canlook up a full three minute
version.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Yeah, there's a full version of it.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Start to finish, even with the bridge.
We've got Shaquille O'Neal'sface on gummies and Seal singing
as a seal about Baja Blast.
This is we're doing great.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
We've got to get some Shaquille and Seal brand Baja
Blast gummies.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
No lie, shaquille and Seal fucking go together real
well they do.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
I think we could they do.
It feels really good.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
I like that.
I don't know what they'reselling, but I'm buying.
I'm selling their partnershiptogether.
Like.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I'm going to a pitch room and you know I'll be taking
Hear me out, hear me out.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
They could sell tequila and call it Sequila Se.
You could sell tequila and callit Sikila, sikila.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Sikila.
Oh, I don't hate it, but it's abit of a stretch.
It's a bit of a stretch.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
I feel like we got to workshop it a little bit, we'll
workshop it.
Ai could never do this.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
This is how we know we're AI proof.
There's no way an AI would spitthis out.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
It's getting to, maybe a couple of years ago.
It's too smart.
I would come up with somethingbetter.
Who knew that idiocracy?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
would be a documentary about how we can
beat ai.
We have to become as dumb aspossible.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
That's how it sounds like the us is on their way
great here.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Hold on, I'm about to sound as dumb as possible.
Hey everybody, have you trieddrinking saturated fat and
eating only steak?
Are you on opiums and alsohaven't pooped in a while?
Well, do I have a pill for you?
A lot of people have fit all ofthose bills by the way, if
anybody's flirting with the ideaof carnivore, just like, say
goodbye to pooping.
Now part with that as you will,and it's that'll.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
That's your future a lot of people are probably
excited about that, like, ohshit, I don't have to carve that
time out of my day, just keepgoing.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I'll just bank it for a week or two at a time.
I'll take a suppository.
I'll make a deposit carnivore.
Have any of you taken a biteinto a stick of butter before?
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yes, for a video and it was not good.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
It's awful, isn't it?
It's butter, deceptively verygood.
Anything you put it on anythingyou mix it with fantastic.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
But this is the thing Sugar good, butter good, mix it
together good On their own.
Ugh, I'm not just going to havespoonfuls of sugar and biting
into sticks of butter, like no,it's bad.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
It's hydrophobic, so it coats the inside of your
mouth, makes it waterproof andit tastes like throw up all day.
So you're just stuck with athrow up taste that you cannot
wash out, that's lovely.
And carnivores are doing this,Like really?
Speaker 2 (35:10):
For their health, though, for their health, though
, okay.
Oh, if it's just for yourhealth.
Yeah, that's further obviously.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Why else would they do the Mental Health Month yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:21):
We got pretty off topic, though.
Whatever we talk about, we'regoing to get off topic, yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
See, we can joke about it because we've been
there, because we've experiencedit.
I think we're getting closer toa place where people are not so
afraid to talk about thisanymore.
It's almost the norm to havehad a situation where you've
either experienced this or hadthoughts about it.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
It feels like and I think for for a lot of people
though, it's just for different,but for different groups
there's there's still like thegroup that's it's hard to reach.
They are just like fordifferent, but for different
groups there's there's stilllike the group that's it's hard
to reach.
They are just like.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
No, absolutely not not talking about that at all
there's always going to beoutliers and again it's
difficult to talk about it inthe first place.
But like I.
I built my whole platformtalking about feelings.
I cried a bunch in so in videosthat did very well, and I did
not expect that.
I also didn't expect that everycomment that I'd receive from
(36:15):
it would be super, superpositive for the most.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
You'd get every once in a while somebody would be
like, well, he's soft or he's aweak or whatever, and then every
other comment responding to itwould be like no, sorry you, you
haven't been able to talk aboutit like we have I will say that
I love the fact that, uh, thecombination of I look like this,
I grew up outdoors, I've doneall this stuff, so whenever I do
(36:41):
get the um you're not manly,you're soft stuff which is very
rare, because people areinherently, like, afraid to say
that to somebody that looks likethis.
Um, it was actually justrecently.
I had somebody, of course, onone of my posts, be like oh he's
, he's not a bodybuilder, he'snot big, he's not tough, he's
(37:04):
definitely not healthy, all thisstuff and I just get to reply
with okay, what have you donewith your life?
This is what I've done with mylife.
I've summited three mountainsin a day.
I've volunteered in the fuckingamazon not the, not the outside
of the amazon, in the, in themiddle of the amazon.
I've spent a third of my lifecamping.
(37:24):
I've done it all.
What are your achievementscompared to mine?
And they have no response tothat.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
No, they can't handle it.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Yeah, I never get that conflict of identity,
because I basically look likesomebody pretending to be a
youth pastor it's, it's uminteresting if they ever mention
, like, uh, hunting or fishingor whatever, because that's very
typical, especially, uh, youhear women talk about um.
If they're on a dating app,most men will have a picture of
(38:00):
their kill on the hunting ortheir fishing picture or holding
up a fish, and it's like theseare my trophies.
Look at how big of the fish Icaught, look at how big this
deer is.
Like, oh, that's cute, youstill take pictures with your
dead animals.
Yeah, I stopped doing that whenI was eight.
I found out that I can dobetter stuff in life, and that's
not to put down people who lovehunting and stuff.
(38:21):
Obviously, if you love hunting,you want to record your your
stuff for posterity, um, or notposterity, but like uh, just to
remember it by all means.
But if you're trying to use itagainst somebody else, like no
other people have otherexperiences that they're going
to value more than that, andthat doesn't mean that their
(38:42):
experiences are worse than yours.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
The worst is like the trophy hunting, where they like
pay for an animal and theyrelease it and they're like I'm
gonna go chase it like, and it'susually some like endangered
fucking animal too.
I'm like, wow, that's wow.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
You, you really just fucking don't give a shit yeah,
that's just embarrassing too, II wouldn't be able to tell
anybody that I did somethinglike that because it's what a
coward like.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
You know why we have that's actually why we have
teddy bears.
You know that, right?
Oh yeah, we hunted them toextinction.
No, it was after teddyroosevelt.
They gave him a bear tied upand he was like uh, no, I'm not
gonna shoot a bear tied up.
And they're like what do youmean?
He's like he's fucking tied up.
Why would I, I'm not gonnashoot him.
And then a toy company heardthat and they made a teddy bear.
Oh, and he hated it.
(39:25):
Oh, never, never, you call himteddy in person.
He fucking hated that shit.
He was theodore roosevelt,motherfucker, but now we all
call him Teddy later on theHistory of the Teddy Bear
brought to you by In Moderation.
I, like some, I enjoy listeningand reading about Theodore
Roosevelt, interesting character.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Anyway.
So, mike, are you interested inopening up to what's been going
on in your life lately?
It inspires some people.
Inspires some people to talk.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
I've been in a bit of a funk lately, really have.
I've been in a bit of a funklately, I really have.
I've not been doing my podcast,I've not been doing live
streams, I've not even beenputting up as many videos.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
I know I've been bugging you to live stream.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Yeah, I haven't done much of anything in a while.
I haven't had a whole lot tosay Historically speaking, and I
don't think anybody wouldassume this about me unless I
said it, but I consider thecommunications part of my job to
be an occupational hazardsomething that I have to do.
(40:26):
It's a part that I need to getmy point across and to help
people.
I don't particularly love beingon camera.
I don't think that I'm asconcise as I'd like to be.
I think I meander from time totime, but from time to time is
generous, but it's.
It is just the necessary mediumto get this by, and I'm saying
(40:50):
all the things that I know Ineeded to hear when I was in
much tougher situations.
But you want me to tell you aquick story about when I started
making videos here.
Sure, because this kind oflines up.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Unless Liam has to go , unless you got to go.
No, you're good, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
All right.
So I started filming videos.
It was May 25th 2023, two yearsago and I had poured over what
to talk about for weeks.
I thought well it's, is thisgoing to be important enough to
be my first video?
Is this not going to beimportant enough that people
won't want to come back, noteven considering for a second?
(41:26):
No one's going to even see this, it doesn't matter.
And?
But I was filming these thingsboth one to just talk a little
bit about my journey in a mannerthat I hadn't before, but two,
and perhaps more expediently, Iwas trying to leave a legacy
that I was here and I was makingvideos for about a month or so,
(41:50):
and then it came to pass thatI'm like, I'm, I'm done, I'm out
of here.
It was like mid June ish.
This was my second time thatI'd been quite that close.
And, um, I'm.
I'll get into a little a coupleof details here, but nothing
gets violent.
I was standing on the side of aroad I've never told this story
(42:11):
Waiting for a truck to pass,because I assumed, you know what
, if the truck comes by?
One, it'll be quick.
Two, the person won't beresponsible for it.
Three, it'll all be insured.
I mean I will fuck him up forlife.
For sure that's going to happen, but at least he's not going to
(42:32):
prison.
And I stood there for like fiveminutes and this was a sort of a
spur of the moment.
But it built up to a pointwhere it's like that felt where
it was and I had had a explosiveblowout argument with somebody
and that's it done.
And a truck never came by.
Five minutes on a very busyhighway in New Jersey no trucks,
(42:52):
nothing.
And I stepped back, tired, done.
Then a Walmart truck went by.
If I had stepped back 10seconds later or something like
that, you guys wouldn't haveseen me about two weeks later
when I had that first video goviral where I'd taken my shirt
off at the beach for the firsttime.
One of the reasons I did thatwas because I'm like well, I'm
(43:13):
here still.
How crazy is that?
Why don't I try doing somethingI've not done before?
And that got me 50,000followers right off the bat.
You guys ended up finding me.
But had I just not had thatsplit second decision to be like
, you know what I'm almost?
I almost want to stay herebecause I'd be mad at the people
(43:33):
who would win if I wasn't.
That's the reason that you guysknow me, that I'm able to tell
this story right now, and ifanybody here that's listening
right now is in a similar spot,just know that I couldn't have
imagined any of this.
It was almost two years ago tothe day here that I I'd be doing
(43:54):
what I'm doing here and youknow what?
Speaker 2 (43:55):
I bet you there are, I bet you there are people
listening that at least resonatewith that somehow oh yeah, I'm
like would a truck really work.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
Is that gonna work?
When you were talking aboutthat, I was just thinking like
for me, similar thing recentlyis that I have that train that's
two blocks over that way.
Um, I try to edit it outwhenever it comes by.
I went during the podcast,which is a pain in the ass, um,
(44:22):
but if you're watching me livestream, you'll.
You'll hear it go by, andthere's just every once in a
while I think about what if Ijust step in front?
Speaker 1 (44:33):
of it lay down on track.
It's almost like a what's, whatdo they call it?
An invasive thought where it's,we're not even we're not
thinking, oh, how nice would itbe.
It comes to you.
Yeah, like if, if anybody herehas ever been like at a theme
park and a roller coaster getsclose enough that if you reach
through the fence you couldtouch it, and you have a thought
in your head of, like, what if?
But yeah, the immediateconscious thought is what the
(44:55):
fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (44:57):
I, I think we all have those sort of thoughts,
just like, yeah, how, what wouldhappen if?
And then you have this extremescenario, but it may, right
immediately you're like, well,let's just not do that for.
But yeah, there's definitely adifference between that and then
sitting there and planning itout and thinking about it, which
you know.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
In the moment that you decide it.
It almost does come along likesomething else tells you to go
about it, Even if you spend allthat time.
The first time that I wentabout doing it I packed all of
my things into boxes with noteson everything you know.
Here's where to send this, here, throw this out, don't let cops
touch this all that kind ofstuff.
(45:37):
And the only reason I didn'tend up going through with it
then was because I had a friendknock on my door that night and
because we we never used to call, we just knock, came in.
We hung out for a little bit,she went to the bathroom and
when she came back she noticedmy door cracked open and saw all
my stuff packed and she waslike you, you moving, what's
(45:58):
going on?
And I broke down and that12-hour conversation saved my
life there for a couple of yearsyeah, I had that uh there's a
lot of planning that that it was.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
What was it?
November or october we were.
We were supposed to be doing aum, a group roundtable podcast
and I didn't show and I hadtaken down all my stuff.
I'd taken down my social media,I'd taken down all my streaming
setup, I'd cleaned my office.
And it's crazy to look back atthat and be like, wow, you were
(46:33):
that close.
I was there for that.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
I believe James Capola was there.
If I'm not mistaken, alex Allenwas there, perhaps.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Yep, you Alex.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
James, and of course Liam was not there yet because
the rest of us.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
That's right.
That's right.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
We spent a while talking, because we were waiting
for you to come back and wewere also waiting for Liam to be
able to show up.
And I think after like an hour,we finally broke and we're like
all right, well, but we didn't,we didn't expect that, we
weren't thinking anything,thinking that that was the case
because it didn't.
Nothing had indicated it, buthardly does anything ever.
(47:14):
And you know, then, throughmutual friends of ours, we, you
know, we tracked down yourroommate and everything and
checked on you, cause we're likewell, actually, no, all this
now.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
This is weird.
I remember we were sittingthere like we're like, well,
let's see what we.
Then Alex, went through and Ifound your roommate through
social media and we were tryingto get a beat on what was going
on there.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
Well, a big thank you to you guys, and also thank you
, alex, for doing that.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
Yeah, because we're like he's all the way in Canada.
We can't just drive up there,dang.
How the hell are we supposed toget up there?
Speaker 2 (47:48):
I was like I'll drive over there, but I'm like I like
that, that's.
You know, that's a long way.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
Quite a distance, but we'd do it if we needed to, I'd
have to sneak across the border.
I don't currently have apassport, but it's a long border
.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
And like you were talking about.
Well, you're just getting inline at the border and you're
just like I'm Canadian, eh, bud,yeah right Maple syrup Ice
hockey.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
I have affordable health care.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
Oh come ice hockey.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
I have affordable health care oh, come on in.
Why didn't you say that?
What's a co-pay?
Oh, you're good.
Yeah, go right there.
Co-pay okay, like two peoplepay for something.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
Yeah, come on in yeah , I think you're talking about,
mike, with, like, your friendbeing there, and that's what
we've talked before on thispodcast, right about how people
just feel more isolated now,even though you have.
You might have thousands ofpeople around you.
You might be in an apartmentcomplex with thousands of people
, you don't know any of them, soyou just feel more isolated and
(48:43):
you don't have that friendthere to talk with you, to help
and that sort of thing, andthat's what I think this like
what, uh, this month people havebeen have been very open, like,
hey, if you know you need help,like I'm here, let you know,
let's talk.
I think that's that just thatcan help someone, um, and, at
least, if nothing else, at leastwe maybe that's something we
(49:05):
get out of this yeah, if I'mbeing honest, that's the
majority of what I'm goingthrough right.
Speaker 3 (49:10):
There is that feeling of loneliness, isolation, um,
I've mentioned it before.
I grew up with social anxiety,right, which made it hard to
make friends, hang out withfriends, and then for the last
two decades I haven't had muchin-person contact with people.
(49:31):
Uh, dating life is shit becauseI don't know how to flirt.
I'm also scared of flirting,even on the apps.
You know I'm like you'reinteresting, but I don't know
how to message you.
What do I say?
Speaker 1 (49:47):
If ever I'd gotten a match, I would have said I'm
sorry, I didn't mean to get inyour way.
Let me just get my way on outof here.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
Yeah, moving on.
Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, andyeah, it's just been just been
fucking lonely, yeah and thenyou go through a breakup and you
don't have like those friendsaround you.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
That makes it worse and it's just yeah right yeah,
and we all work from home now,which increases our chances of
like you mean for being right.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
You meet friends on like social media but, like you,
don't have anyone close to you,like you yeah, you know exactly
in person and it is great and Iwanted to go visit you guys
this year, but then you fuckedup your your travel for
canadians we fucked up a lot ofthings.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
That was just one of them, okay well, that's the
thing that affects me.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
Can you like not fly in here now?
Uh, I mean, it's a travelwarning, because there are
canadians that are gettingstopped and but that that's
primarily when they drive acrossyour border.
Patrols are setting upcheckpoints and stopping cars
and all that he's got to pretendto be American.
(50:56):
So what?
Well, I passed the citizenshiptest, so I'm all in there.
We go Tell them about the copayoh there we go.
I'm not kidding, I know whatcopay is.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
I'm trying to pay my copay, all right?
Oh yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
If they ask you if the best cooking fuel is propane
or charcoal, which one do youchoose?
Speaker 2 (51:20):
How much King of the Hill have you watched?
Speaker 3 (51:22):
I'm going to assume it's propane.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
Yes, you are Propane and propane accessories and
propane accessories.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
They're bringing back King of the.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
Hill eh, they are.
They are, I believe, becauseeverything's coming back.
We're in the age of everythingcoming back.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
King of the Hill, star Wars, fascism, everything's
coming back.
We're in the age of everythingcoming back.
King of the Hill, Star Wars,fascism.
I'm ready.
Oh man, Love Star Wars.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Wait till they're all going to roll it into one show.
It's going to be fucking wild.
Speaker 3 (51:44):
And it's going to have a guest doctor on it that's
afraid to say penis.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
I'm telling you, man, this I don't know if that is
better or Shaquille O'Seal, butboth of them fucking kill.
Both of them are fantasticideas.
If we don't make something offthis, I'm going to be very
disappointed.
Rob do not release this episodeuntil we've secured the
copyrights To Shaquille O'Sealand this doctor that we made up.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
Three years from now, when we proceed to protect this
idea.
This is an episode we recordedin 2025 about the crack company
that ended up failing andfalling apart and claiming the
lives of two of their threefounders.
Who might they be, oh man?
So Men's Mental Health Month.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
So Men's Mental Health.
Speaker 1 (52:26):
Men's Mental Health Month.
There is help availableeverywhere you go.
They've got 988.
You call that one, they've got988.
You call that one and it's mucheasier to remember than the
name of that song where the guyremember who can relate.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
It's like the suicide hotline song that would be an
American thing yeah, and it'sthe name of the song.
It was meant to have peoplelike remember what the suicide
hotline number is but, like mostpeople, don't even know their
mom's cell phone number011-8999-81199-919-7253.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
I remember 877-CASH-NOW.
You're in a crisis and that'sthe only thing you can remember.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
You're like no, I don't want Empire Carpet, Please
, I'm having.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
I think it was daichi wetworth I'm pretty sure, that
was like people scale on a bus877 cash now, because they just
did it over and over.
877 cash now, over and over andover.
I'm just trying to watchfucking.
Uh, you know prices right here.
Come on watching prices.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
Right, how do you dial?
Speaker 3 (53:35):
9-1-1 again.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
Oh yeah, 877 cash, now cash now 877 cash now and
people listening know peoplelike I remember that fucking
commercial.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
They played it so much do you know what your mommy
and daddy's phone number is?
Speaker 2 (53:47):
we can get you home 877 cash now I don't know, I
might not know my mother's phonenumber, but I know the number
to jg wentworth they can get methere.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
They're on the phone trying to get my money out of
mommy all the time.
Speaker 3 (54:04):
Men's mental health but as, as mike mentioned,
there's there's numbers to call,regardless what country you're
in and heck we're, we might notbe there in but you can always
come hang out with us on livestreams and stuff.
I live stream over on TwitchTuesday, thursday, wednesday,
sunday, and I'm trying to getMike to start live streaming.
(54:25):
Liam sometimes joins in andplays some repo.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
Oakley is starting her daycare next week, so for
three days a week we're actuallygonna have uh help, which is
gonna be uh fucking extremelyhelpful, because we've been just
us.
Speaker 1 (54:43):
we've been kind of drowning in that well, in honor
of men's mental health month, Iam formally announcing here this
is a in moderation podcastexclusive my return to regular
streaming.
I actually genuinely have hadpeople asking me why I don't do
it anymore.
No, I'm not nearly in themindset that I was in some of
(55:07):
the stories that I told today.
We all have rough moments, butnot in the last several years
have I two years now have I evenever been close to feeling like
that, and it's taken a lot ofwork.
It's taken a lot of effort.
I've had to explore a lot ofdifficult topics and I've had to
make a lot of difficultdecisions and moves and uproot
(55:30):
my entire life and do thingsentirely different.
It was was very scary, but Imean so was just facing down the
barrel of I don't want to behere anymore every day.
This is the longest stretch I'vegone in a long time wanting to
be here.
That is possible for you.
Speaker 2 (55:46):
I feel like Scotty says that a lot like lots of
things are going to be difficult.
Choose your difficult orsomething like I'm not a good
motivational speaker.
Speaker 3 (55:54):
Go listen to Scotty, but it's something like I'm not
a good motivational speaker andgo listen, scotty, but it's
something like that.
Yeah, that's uh.
Like I said, it's not the sameas being in person, but we we
like to have a lot of fun onstreams, so everyone's welcome
to come just hang out and andsmile as we make fun of each
other and because what arefriends to come play repo.
Speaker 1 (56:11):
Mike absolutely hated repo, so we're gonna it was the
only game I think I've everreturned.
I said I'm like I need to repomy money from this purchase
because it was.
I don't know.
Maybe I need to watch it againwhen I'm not in such a sour mood
.
Speaker 3 (56:26):
We're not going to force you to play it, but we are
going to keep bugging you toplay it.
No, I'll do it.
Speaker 1 (56:28):
I didn't give it enough of a chance.
I've stayed kind of away frombeing on screen for more than a
minute Because I'm like how muchof the you know, mike, the fun
character, can come out todayand not great at me.
But also I just want to mention, before we go, happy Pride
(56:52):
Month as well, because twothings can coexist.
We're not ignoring one for theother.
I wish that had been at thevery beginning, because, for
whatever reason, there'scontention, despite the fact
that so many people that are inthe.
LGBTQ community are strugglingwith mental health issues, many
of whom are men or maskpresenting people.
Speaker 3 (57:11):
Yeah, the whole idea that both things can't
simultaneously exist is insane.
Speaker 1 (57:17):
But you know, there'd be a lot less mental health
issues in the LGBTQ community ifpeople would just stop fucking
bullying them.
So you can stop mental healthfrom getting worse right from
your home.
Stop bullying people that aredifferent from you.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
And don't be your worst.
And two things can coexist, andtwo things can come together to
become Shaquille O'Neal.
Speaker 1 (57:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Amen.
Hello everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Welcome.
It's good to start right here.
Speaker 3 (00:02):
Love it.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
Go, go, go go.
Welcome back to In Moderation,You're better at introducing
than we are.
The show where you get amoderate dose of sarcasm, advice
, and we already know we're notapproved this fucker's got a
soundboard.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
You know it's true because it had an echo.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I've got lights too.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
If anybody says something I don't like, call
them out for it.
It looks like, yeah, policelights is a red.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Yes, that will go over well on Spotify.
Can't you get like aspectrograph thing?
Have you ever seen those thingswhere like people will put like
a kiss song through avisualizer and they'll find two
things that look like devilhorns and they'll say oh yeah, I
don't think that's true.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
OK, now I'm now I have to look at that when I'm
editing this episode see what itlooks like they do the craziest
.
Like you know.
They'll have, like you know, awoman set up at like a high
school, like a militaryrecruiter, with a bunch of cans
of monster.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
OK, I remember the monster.
I was actually going to say Iremember the monster lady
talking about how monster is thedevil, like it's calls to the
devil.
I don't, I don't remember likeanything else about it, I am
unaware of this.
Oh, you haven't seen?
Yeah, no, she's standing there.
She's like monster and there'slike a little symbol, you know,
and they're like this symbol,looks like this symbol, which
means the devil, like okay, andthere's three scratch marks and
(01:20):
if you do three times two, ifyou, you have a second monster,
which everyone always says too.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
You know, the one is half serving of monster.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I love those videos where they just put random words
, random random numbers together, Like they add things up.
And then you were subtract twoand you add seven, and I'm like
and then you have six, six, six.
I'm like you just fucking putnumbers together to get like
what?
Oh, I love it, Congratulations.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
You mapped.
If one plus one equals two,I'll be leaving this
conversation now.
Hold on, let's put it throughthe calculator.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Fate has ordained that here we are bye, mike
goodbye, bye it was nice havingyou I can't do math.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I the only math I can do is adding the number of
ingredients on the back of anutrition label and if it's more
than 50, 50 brain cellchallenge.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Oh, the 50 brain cell challenge.
That's fucking great.
What jeff josh or whatever hisname is, I don't remember like
this, josh, it's jeff or josh, Idon't remember but like guys if
you, for every ingredient youlose a brain cell, then you have
50 of them and I'm just like,oh man, this spice is going to
fucking ruin me right now.
Right, it's going to be so bad.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Like tell me you don't spice your food without
telling me you don't spice yourfood, oh God.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I love this Because you've got to make it simple,
man, and those simple things aregreat.
Oh, can I?
So I went on recently.
I, oh, can I?
So I went on recently.
I went on because it's out now,go check it out.
I went on um, a hot dog is asandwich, like the freaking
mythical oh no way podcast.
Yeah, yeah, it was fun, uh.
And so I was like we weretalking about fad diets and I
(02:56):
wanted to.
I was like, let's make up ourown fad diet and I want to get
your guys's opinion on this.
Okay, hear me out here.
The people who listen on thatone probably know.
But whatever, the gorilla diet,the gorilla diet, hear me out,
hear me out, okay, so listen,I'm already hating this because
it's going to involve bananas.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
No, it's well, it's really not actually going to
involve bananas.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I don't think they really eat bananas.
Yeah, I hear, listen, listen,here's.
Here's the thing.
Okay, because it's people wantsimple.
Right, you need like simple eatlike gorilla, be like gorilla.
That's simple.
Does it make sense?
No, but that doesn't matter.
It's very simple and we couldget our point across there.
Now, here the issue is gorillaseat about 40 to 50 pounds of
(03:37):
vegetation a day, so I've Ifound a workaround around that.
Here's what we do.
You ready?
Okay, we lie.
We just straight up lie aboutwhat they eat.
It's it I people aren't goingto check on it.
We can say they eat whatever.
Now we could go a little bitmore towards the truth.
And because they eat mostlylike vegetables, so you're like,
(03:57):
oh, yeah, all that and they eatfruit.
Here's the thing.
Yeah, I was just gonna say theyeat fruit and they eat insects,
but we could just say they eatprotein.
Then you just eat whateverprotein you want.
Then you eat vegetables, fruitsand protein.
People will lose weight eatingthat, right, if you just cut out
everything else.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
We'll just leave the information that gorillas can
extract proteins from plantsbetter than us.
We'll just put that aside.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
No, no, no, we don't talk about that.
You eat like gorilla, be likegorilla and also they're this.
There's the whole like hundredhumans versus gorilla thing
going on.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
We need to capitalize on it.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
I like right, yes, if you're the gorilla you're gonna
beat the hundred people right,exactly, eat like gorilla beat a
hundred people oh okay, um andthen that one or um the
gladiator diet, which is thesame thing, but you eat like
gladiators.
Now, gladiators are just likepoor peasants, so they just got
like fucking gruel and shit.
They got like barley they ate alot of barley because it was
(04:54):
cheap, right so.
But they people would just beeating a lot of that, but they
would still lose weight eatingthat.
But you want to eat, but eatlike a gladiator.
That's like you, you knowfucking masculine or some shit.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
So I think I got to add, like you got to have, like
the, the short sword that you'relike stabbing into your
whatever Usually usually barleySpeaking of vegetables, stabbing
at your whatever, when, whenyou say eat like gorilla, be
like gorilla.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
How?
How much do I have to be likegorilla?
Like?
Do I have to be like Gorilla?
Do I also have to masturbate atthe zoo, or can I skip that
part of it?
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I mean, hey, I'm not going to shame you if you're
into that.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Well, I still stick with.
Do what works for you.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Do what?
Speaker 3 (05:32):
works for you.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
We still add that in there, right.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I eat a banana.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Also, we got to leave out the fact that Gorillas have
a penis that's one and a halfinches long.
That's a real fact.
Look it up.
I'm not joking about that.
We don't want people to be like, oh I'm going to be like that.
You think gorilla like superhung?
No, it's a big animal, Small,small penis.
That's because here's the thinghumans, compared to other
(05:59):
animals, actually have largerpenises than you should.
That is because of overthousands of years of evolution,
Women have chosen men withlarger penises, which is why,
when women say size doesn'tmatter, I'm like I don't know,
Like thousands of years ofevolution, kind of point in the
other direction.
That's all I'm saying.
That's all I'm saying.
Look, what kind of podcast do wedo here?
(06:20):
Are we talking about food.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
If any gorillas are listening, are we talking about
food?
If any gorillas are listening,we just want you to know that
you are valuable as you are.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
I know we're playing for your size it's how you use
it cincinnati, philadelphia, newyork.
This, this goes out to everyzoo well, personally, I'm on
board with the gladiator dietbecause the gorilla instantly
makes me think banana andfucking ass I don't even really
think of bananas.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
I guess a monkey Like , but I don't know.
I don't think of banana withgorilla.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
I don't know, but like dude.
So on my birthday stream lastweek I finally did a.
I tried attempting to eat abanana, yeah, which went so bad,
oh.
No, like it went actually worsethan I thought it would.
I thought I'd be able toactually masticate a little bit,
(07:09):
maybe swallow some.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
no, the instant it went into my mouth I was just
like oh they are an odd texture,like I'll give you that I don't
think you're weird for thatevery everybody that watched it
was like oh shit, rob reallydoesn't like bananas.
I believe it now do you guysremember that a year ago I lost
a filling on this show because Ibought Banana Laffy Taffy as a
(07:33):
bit to piss you off?
Speaker 3 (07:35):
specifically, that was like the first time you came
on, wasn't it that?
Speaker 1 (07:39):
was, I think, the first time I had come on here
and I lost a filling and Ididn't say anything during the
show because I'm like I didn'tsay anything during the show
because I'm like I don't I don'tknow if this is going to derail
the show.
And then, of course, you had meon.
What a week.
And a half ago and the firstthing I said was Dave Asbury's
penis stem cells filling bedamned, but the thing we
actually, we spawned a realpenises a lot we do I mean a?
(08:00):
scientific conversation aboutthat.
Like we, we were talking aboutthe logistics, what it would
take.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Are we just coping?
I kind of feel like we're justcoping.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Or maybe we're just comfortable with our cells and
our bodies.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Let's go with that over.
We're coping.
It doesn't matter what theanswer is.
I'd say we go with that.
When people ask.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
The way that I always phrase it is that a good doctor
will never shy away from sayingthe terms.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
They'll just say it yeah, they just drop it and
we're basically doctors, exactlyimagine if your doctor was
insinuating.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
He's like yeah, so there's, we found something in
your uh in my work on your uh,you know, just like, yeah, my
holding thing down there, youknow you know, just say it, doc,
we found a lump in your, inyour.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
You know your gets the banana out and starts.
You know, your, your.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
There may be cancer in your show coming to fox soon,
where there's like a doctorwho's just afraid to say these
sort of things but always findshimself in this situation, and
that's the whole show.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Ok, ok, ok so so I'm mutuals with Jesse Stram who is
she plays one of the doctors onChicago Med.
I'm so going to pitch this toher.
I'm going to pitch this to herso she can pitch it to the
writers and have, like a guestdoctor, come on.
That's great.
So she can pitch it to thewriters and have like a guest
doctor, come on that's afraid tosay penis.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I don't think you could revolve a whole show
around it, but you couldabsolutely have a character Like
a Dr Hartman from like you knowwhat you call it Family Guy,
like that kind of reoccurringcharacter that does stupid wacky
shit.
You could have that character.
I think it would do very well.
That would be amazing.
Like every do very well, thatwould be amazing.
(09:46):
Like he.
Every patient always, it alwaysends up with something with
their butthole or their, their,their genitals or whatever.
And like he's just, he's justlike, like he just can't say
like I feel like that wouldfucking kill, that would kill
and you could, and like youcould, have it on fox because
like you, know, they're notdoing.
They don't have to like swearor anything like that, you know,
it just shows them reallyuncomfortable.
I think.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
I think we got something here perfect this is
gonna be the next two and a halfthat's.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
That's the entire podcast that's it.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
We just want everybody.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Don't be your worst penises and come up with a good
idea for show what else do youneed?
Speaker 1 (10:14):
always wash, your always watch you know, pull back
and make sure to get under theso so this was originally going
to be just me and liam.
But then I brought mike inbecause I decided it's mental
(10:36):
men's mental health, but it'smental health month I mean, and
who the fuck do you know is moredepressed and screwed up than
Mike needs a plan.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I didn't say it.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
I did not say it.
Oh, I said it.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
That's why you brought me here to say it, but I
know you and I have definitelybeen going through a lot of
stuff lately.
Liam has a kid, so he's goingto be depressed for the next 18
years.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
I consider myself very blessed.
I have a lot of things going on, but things are still going
overall very well.
I've never actually reallydealt with significant issues.
I've gone to therapy and stuff,because everybody should do
that and work through some shit,but I've never had actual,
really significant mental healthissues.
I always feel like I just don't.
I never really know.
I sympathize but I can'tempathize as much, you know, as
(11:26):
I, as you know, I'd like to beable to.
So I just kind of like I tryand give, let the door open for
other people to give their theirstories, because I'm like I
don't, I don't really have awhole lot, but I know, um, I
know, actually the majority ofour listeners are identify as
female but, like even for thosepeople, the importance of
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talking about men's mentalhealth.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
There's the trend going around on tiktok I don't
know if you got, well, you guyshave definitely seen it where
there's some women that aremaking fun of, yeah, men's
mental health, yeah, that'severywhere um, it'll say like uh
, you know, let's have a momentof silence for all the men that
are jamming out to some rockstuff and like I get it.
We hate men, I get it, but thatis just adding to the problem.
(12:15):
Because we are.
We need men to feel comfortablewith the ability to open up,
and if you're making fun of them.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
they're not going to yeah comfortable with the
ability to open up and if you'remaking fun of them, they're not
going to.
Yeah, luckily, I mean I've onlyseen these videos, these
incredibly offensive videos, uh,in the context of other people
reacting to them, so I actuallyhaven't seen them organically.
So I mean, that tells me thatthe message of positivity and
(12:44):
like no everybody here mattersis spreading more than the
original.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Or just that you're on the right side of social
media, or that yeah, I mightjust be Well, I mean the woman
who that main woman who did it?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
she got her account like deleted or she deleted
everything she got bullied offthe Internet yeah.
Yeah, so I like, at least we.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
The reaction was swift and harsh, as kind of as
it called for, really, becauseyeah, it's definitely a problem
that men are brought up in theenvironment that they're not
allowed to talk about things,not allowed to seek help.
Yeah, and I mean I told thatstory about it Then.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, I told that story about, like you know, my
friend of mine who died and Iwas crying and like his dad oh
yes, his dad was like man up,like at his own son's funeral
Like I was crying and I was likeshit.
Like I at the time I kind offelt shame but, like later, I
was like you're telling peoplenot to cry at your son's funeral
?
If that's, if it's not OK tocry, then I don't know when it
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would be acceptable, right?
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Like so it would be acceptable.
Right like so it's, it'sdefinitely still crazy.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
It might have just been a really strange coping
mechanism man.
It was an older guy like I, Ithink.
Maybe, just like you know, it'sstill around today, but, like
you know, several decades agowas even worse yeah, I think
it's even well.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
It's getting even more polarizing.
Today we have all the socialmedia pushing the alpha bro
mentality, the uh, the andrewtates of the world I think that,
though right, that's a reactionto people opening up right like
don't you think that in atleast some way, that's like men
are becoming more, morecomfortable?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
and then you have people who just are so against
that that you need to createthis like super alpha bro.
So I feel like that's areaction to it, but maybe not.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, I mean, whether it's reaction or not, it's
speak about this when I wasyounger.
Perhaps it would have beeneasier and they're escaping that
sort of red pill thoughtexperiment.
I grew up in an environment anda community where that was fine
to talk about these things andI still didn't tell anybody when
I got close.
(15:09):
Even if you come up in anenvironment where that is more
talked about or more accepted orwhat have you, it can still be
extremely difficult to talkabout, so like if anybody's
feeling like they're weird orwrong or why can't I do this for
myself?
It's, it's a tough subject tobreach.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yeah, yeah, I brought .
I was brought up in a moretraditional conservative
environment.
Um, my dad is your typicalolder not quite as bad as from
Liam's story, but still thetypical older conservative.
Be a man type.
And then, of course, I'm inAlberta, so we're heavily on the
(15:54):
.
You need to be a man, gohunting, don't ask for
directions, and you can see itaffecting a lot of the young
people, unfortunately, and it'sit's really unfortunate, because
by the time we're done thispodcast, how many people have?
Well, how many men will havecommitted suicide?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
noel's been putting some good videos up lately.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Right, I was just gonna yeah, I've seen that I
think when you're younger youare just more impressionable,
right, I mean?
yeah for for better or for worse.
And I think it's it's verydifficult to realize these
things until you're older, Ithink, because we get a lot of
these stories right where you're, like in your people in their
40s or 50s, like I didn'trealize that when I was a
(16:33):
teenager or my 20s until lateron.
So it's, it's once they kind offall into that it's tough to
kind of like, hey, try and reachthem afterwards, because then
they just kind of feel like theyneed to just be a man and
harden up or whatever you know.
So I it's, it's I don't knowit's really tough to reach
people at that age, especiallybecause you feel especially, you
(16:55):
know, in your 20s you feel sureabout everything.
I was talking about this earliertoday, when you're in your 20s
you just feel so sure aboutthings you're like, no, I know.
And then you get older you'relike, oh shit, I didn't know and
so.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
And sometimes it's something like this that can
really fuck you over later onI've mentioned before, one of my
favorite feedbacks I get arefrom young men who are looking
for role models and they comeacross my stuff and they're like
this is this is what I need itlike you're.
You're not pushing that, um,that toxic masculinity, and
(17:31):
let's, let's define that quickly.
It's okay to be masculine.
There's a difference betweentoxic masculinity and
masculinity.
Um, you can be a man withoutbeing a huge dick about it.
I had to throw the penis inthere.
I mean the, the dangly thingyou had to throw.
You know the.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
You know the shit you know who's a good example of
that scotty, of the very untoxicmasculinity it's like that's
what you it's.
It's to the point where, likehe's got the image and he's
aware of this too like he's saidthis to me and he's I'm sure he
said this to you guys too wherehe's like I look like I would
(18:11):
be one of those you know, guntoting, harassing people for my
truck conservatives.
So, yeah, people are surprisedwhen he's not him and I just
went up against the homophobe acouple of days ago in his
comments, who was talking allsorts of shit.
It was ridiculous, but he waslike surprised that scotty
wasn't also homophobic.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Oh geez I remember one of his first videos where
that blew up he, he did a happypride month and he just seemed
like happy pride month and heate a cupcake that was, like you
know, rainbow and people werefucking furious.
Yeah, because he, they people,they thought he was more, uh,
you know more of the toxicrainbow what it does help, I
(18:58):
think, though, because peoplesee him and they kind of expect
that.
But then when it's the reverse,like oh, okay, so like there's
somebody like this, I think thatguy, I think that does.
That does help, at least forfor some people, right?
Yeah, because you know you, youyou expect to see people who
are or more I don't knowopen-minded liberal, whatever it
is, look a certain way.
(19:18):
When you see someone the otherside, you're like, hey, everyone
is okay with other people beingother people.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
That's cool yeah, yeah, dude, I remember when,
freaking, you guys had yourjanuary 6th insurrection and
people thought I was from q anonq, oh god, yeah, I legit had
people coming into my commentsand they thought I was queuing
on, whether they were cominginto my comments to like follow
(19:47):
me or whatever because of that.
Or there were people that likestraight up, were like I can't
listen to you because you'rethis toxic, masculine, blah,
blah, blah.
And I'm like the guy with theViking hat that he's talking
about.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Remember the guy with the viking hat that he's
talking about.
Remember the guy with theviking hat and the the face
paint.
He went to jail for a couple ofyears.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
He was like a main character of the insurrection q
anon.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Shaman that guy, the q anon yeah, that's who it was
that just clicked.
I'm like, yeah, the beard, yep,yep, okay, so that's why they
were coming at you for it.
They're like you're the guy.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
yeah, you're the guy, yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
You're the guy.
I also had my head shaved atthat time, so of course, the
whole skinhead thing, which ishilarious because the reason I
had shaved my head was forcancer.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Cancer, white supremacy and to be a white
skinhead.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Oh, I had to be a skinhead.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yes, you knock two birds out with one stone.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Cancer and fascism same disease.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
My hair is only allowed to go to white children.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Can you imagine growing out your hair for one of
those donation things and yougive it to them with the
stipulation that the kids haveto be white?
Oh God.
Well, thank you for thisdonation.
You've been growing your hairand taking care of it for five
years, perfectly.
You just make sure it goes onto a white kid's.
Why is this like a very grownman?
Speaker 3 (21:12):
if anybody listening is working in the cancer wig
industry and you've had thathappen, send us an email.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
We'd like to talk to you.
It's just like the baker whowouldn't bake for, like the gay
couple.
You know, I won't make.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
I won't make wigs or it's it's getting to the point
where that's gonna be.
We're going to long forheadlines like that.
Remember when it was about acake, not about, but that's the
thing.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
that's the thing, though, is like I think they,
the people who really push that,like helped him right and got
him like legal help and whatnotthey were just trying to set a
precedent they didn't reallycare about.
Like they obviously don't careabout like, oh, you know, a cake
for a gay couple, but thatgives them the precedent for the
future to be like well, now, wecan not give people of color,
(21:58):
gay people, other other things,these things Right, so it's
really just about getting thelegal framework in motion.
So you're like well, accordingto court case 342, we didn't
give a gay couple this, so let'snot give them this as well.
So it's all.
Just, you know, it's all, it'sall planned out.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah.
How does anybody, any smallbusiness owner, have the freedom
to racially or sexuallydiscriminate in this economy?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
I kind of feel like it's a plan to be like just to
get the homophobes on your side,maybe like I don't know.
You remember when Chick-fil-Awas like no gay people, and then
people came out in droves tolike support them.
Because they were like, yeah,we also don't like those people
doing those things, like I mean,it's a fucking wild tactic, but
it appears to work.
That was a thing down there.
(22:49):
Yeah, oh, totally.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Chick-fil-a was like no, we don't know about that or
maybe you like heard about thatin passing, but they were
donating to anti-gay charities,which how is that a thing that?
Speaker 1 (23:01):
can you have a charity that is against a thing
In America, the America Brothers?
Speaker 2 (23:06):
You can charity for anything bro.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
US something or other .
I posted a comment on a videorecently where I had said most
of you who are mad about most ofyou who are supporting the ice
raids could not pass the uscitizen citizenship test.
Like there's just not a shot.
You're gonna pass it everyone'slike.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Well, I don't have to because I live here I'm like,
oh okay, I don't know if I couldpass it.
Yeah, what are some?
Can we like google?
Can I google some of thequestions and just ask and see
like let's see.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Let's see if I can uh could become a.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah, googling the citizenship test right now.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Let's see if I can actually pull this.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Test your knowledge.
Yeah, what is one right orfreedom from the First Amendment
?
Speaker 3 (23:51):
The Second Amendment is the right to bear arms.
Right?
The First Amendment would bewouldn't that be free speech?
Freedom of speech, you got it,yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Yes, one for one.
You're be free speech freedomof speech.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
You got it right.
Yeah, yeah, yes, one for one,you're already a better american
than I'm a citizen now, that'sit, uh.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Second question identify one branch or part of
the government uh judicial,judicial legislative yep and the
other one and the other one,yeah and the other one.
If the president can no longerserve, who becomes president?
Speaker 3 (24:21):
would that be the vice president?
Dick cheney, dick cheney comesback and he's still he's still
whoever which president dies.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Dick cheney comes back and becomes president
president gets cycled out everyfour years, but the vice
president is appointed dickcheney just sticks around man,
200 years old, he's still goinghenry kissinger times two oh god
, don't say that name rob, canyou like bleep that out in a way
(24:49):
that you can still tell whatI'm saying?
Speaker 2 (24:51):
no, I don't want them to know.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I want people to be confused I just I want his name
to be profanity.
How many justices are in thesupreme Court, Rob?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Oh God, when was the Constitution written?
Speaker 3 (25:04):
I Supreme, okay, supreme Court.
Remember, he's Canadian, you'renine.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Wait, no, what I said .
When was the Constitutionwritten?
Speaker 3 (25:16):
No, mike asked about the Supreme Court.
Okay, I was like wait what?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
The Constitution was written in 9.
Ad, it's 9?
.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
BC or AD.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
It's very important.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
We like this guy's nerve, we'll let him pass on
that one too, the Constitution?
Speaker 3 (25:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
I can almost guarantee you would have gotten
in on name one section of theUnited States government.
I'm almost certain that wouldhave gotten in on name one
section of the United Statesgovernment.
I'm almost certain that wouldbe the one.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
How many Supreme Court justices are there?
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Democrats Fucking Republicans.
No, you've already failed.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
How many Supreme Court justices is there?
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Nine.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Nine, I did get that right, oh sweet.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
The Constitution, I wouldn't have gotten this.
1787 is when the Constitutionwas written.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
You and I both already had no clue.
Monkey brains would have said1776, and we would have gotten
sent.
Yeah, we were like the year itwas founded.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
We also wrote it.
It was a busy year forAmericans.
It was a lot going on.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
They wrote Star Wars that year.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
What's the capital of the United States, rob, what's
the capital?
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Oh, I know this, it's Surrey BC.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yes, yes, yes, I'm in Great Well, I'm probably not.
I still probably wouldn't passthat.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
I'll just be a citizen of something else.
I am now an American citizen.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
You're more of an American than we are.
I'm a citizen of New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I'll see you guys later.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I'm going to be a Kiwi, go from one country.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Kiwi or Hobbit, one or the other.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
The United States You're too tall to be a Hobbit
and New Zealand Are the twocountries On the planet when you
are allowed To run commercialAdvertisements For medications
that are prescription only.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Oh it's.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
New Zealand.
One or two, the other one?
Fuck, it is the other one.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I should have picked a different place now you're
going yeah, you're still goingto get boner pill ads over there
damn, I guess this bloodpressure, dementia, everything.
You can see that suddenly makessense.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Like I, I never see these medication commercials,
except for when my dad'swatching, like certain channels,
and of course they're americanchannels.
And now I'm like, oh, it's notlegal there.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
They have regulations as they should bro.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Bro, there was a fucking ad during the super bowl
, the bowl of super.
There was a.
There was okay.
No, you're mike, you'rethinking of a different one.
You can talk about that one ifyou want to.
I'm thinking of another one.
Okay, but you can go on to talkabout the ozempic bullshit if
you want.
I am talking about there was,um, a stool softener
(27:43):
specifically for people who areon opioids, for, like, yes, it
was for people who areconstipated because they got
opioids that's that's such afucking like, that's it's not.
It's apparently so much not aniche that it can be aired
during the super bowl and theycan pay millions of dollars to
(28:03):
advertise this.
I'm like we're so cooked as thekids would say we're so fucking
cooked as a country, could youimagine?
Speaker 1 (28:10):
you just pan over to the stands and it's a bunch of
people who are completely out oftheir minds on opioids and
they're constipated as hell andconstipated, but not for me they
hear me, they see me oh my godI couldn't, I couldn't believe.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I was like this is I'm so, we're fucked.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
We're so fucked the united states imports 80 80 of
the world's opium comes straighthere to the united states I
miss our butt.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Wiser ads we.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
We have 2% of the population, 2% of the world's
population, or a little bit lesslike 1.5, something like that.
80% of the world's opium iscoming here and we've got at
least 50%, if not more, of theworld's drug commercials.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
We've definitely got more we definitely got a little
more got more like 75 percent,maybe 80 percent.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
We're importing a lot of 80 percent's over here and
then that's very impressive I'mvery proud.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
I'm not sure I want to be a citizen anymore.
Oh, it's too late, too bad.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
You're already that's why we made the test so damn
easy.
We could snap you like a notgetting out.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
The fact these immigrants want to be in our
country is telling.
We should let them.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Well, they see our news and they want to come here,
and I don't think we'retricking them over here.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Let's be honest, they're just trying to make
their way up to Canada, but youguys stopped them, so America,
land of the free home of thestool softeners caused by opium,
let's go get in oh man yeah,there was another commercial
during the super bowl thatreally pissed me off yeah, I
know
Speaker 1 (29:49):
that I'll talk about this one forever, because this
company has has emailed me what?
Two or three times now tryingto get me to sell their bullshit
for them.
They start off by saying somegood stuff, like it's oh yeah,
difficult to lose weight.
Yes, it is super difficult tolose weight.
So many americans are havingtrouble with it.
Yes, yes, we are.
And there's a crookedpharmaceutical industry that is
(30:11):
treating symptoms rather thancauses and it's keeping people
sick and and confused and scared, and at that point point I'm a
little bit hard.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
And hepped up on opiums.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
And opiates can't shit for shit.
Ordering my stool softeners,I'm plugged up like I just took
a bunch of Metamucil and wentfor a 5K and then they say, well
, there's one solution here.
And I'm thinking, well, they'regoing to talk about how we
should be making lifestyle.
What are they about to sell us?
Are they about to sell us?
(30:42):
Are they about to sell us likea pill that allows us to do
these things consistent?
No, they're selling GLP-1medications.
Yep, glp-1 medications.
They're selling on this thing.
And is it well?
With glp-1s, you don't have todo any of this shit.
You never have to look at avegetable again.
Fuck.
You just take our, our thingwherever you want to inject it
in your eyeballs, behind yourears, in your ass, in your ass,
(31:05):
wherever you want it.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
And it's I, yeah and it was really the like uh,
pharmaceuticals bad, they areout to get you.
Would you like to buy thisproduct from?
Speaker 1 (31:16):
us.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
It's like what a fucking turnaround you just did
but you can have our needleinstead.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
And then, yeah, right , they zoom in real close on the
needle and needles like yeah,come on, guys, give me a try,
don't worry about it littlegoogly eyes on it everyone's
like ah, you know, I was kind ofnervous about the needle, but
then as soon as he startedtalking he got cute yeah, that
was an interesting, I was lethim in me yeah, that was, that
was an interesting one.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Yeah, see, the only super bowl commercial I knew of
was seals kiss from a rose thebomb blast kiss from a rose.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Have you not seen this?
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I don't know.
I probably have, but I'm notsure what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
You probably blocked it out because it's traumatic.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
These young people.
They're all on a boat hangingout normal horror movie setup.
And then somebody's like lookover there on the rocks.
And then they pan over and it'sa bunch of seals, including a
seal with seal's face on it,singing Kiss from a Rose, but
like a weird owl version aboutbaja blast.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Wow, we've really hit late stage capitalism, haven't
we?
Speaker 1 (32:22):
this is a recession indicator.
Cecil singing about baja blastoh, and that's that was the
whole, and the thing is it'syeah, they may have only played
like 30 seconds, but you canlook up a full three minute
version.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Yeah, there's a full version of it.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Start to finish, even with the bridge.
We've got Shaquille O'Neal'sface on gummies and Seal singing
as a seal about Baja Blast.
This is we're doing great.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
We've got to get some Shaquille and Seal brand Baja
Blast gummies.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
No lie, shaquille and Seal fucking go together real
well they do.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
I think we could they do.
It feels really good.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
I like that.
I don't know what they'reselling, but I'm buying.
I'm selling their partnershiptogether.
Like.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I'm going to a pitch room and you know I'll be taking
Hear me out, hear me out.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
They could sell tequila and call it Sequila Se.
You could sell tequila and callit Sikila, sikila.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Sikila.
Oh, I don't hate it, but it's abit of a stretch.
It's a bit of a stretch.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
I feel like we got to workshop it a little bit, we'll
workshop it.
Ai could never do this.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
This is how we know we're AI proof.
There's no way an AI would spitthis out.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
It's getting to, maybe a couple of years ago.
It's too smart.
I would come up with somethingbetter.
Who knew that idiocracy?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
would be a documentary about how we can
beat ai.
We have to become as dumb aspossible.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
That's how it sounds like the us is on their way
great here.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Hold on, I'm about to sound as dumb as possible.
Hey everybody, have you trieddrinking saturated fat and
eating only steak?
Are you on opiums and alsohaven't pooped in a while?
Well, do I have a pill for you?
A lot of people have fit all ofthose bills by the way, if
anybody's flirting with the ideaof carnivore, just like, say
goodbye to pooping.
Now part with that as you will,and it's that'll.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
That's your future a lot of people are probably
excited about that, like, ohshit, I don't have to carve that
time out of my day, just keepgoing.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I'll just bank it for a week or two at a time.
I'll take a suppository.
I'll make a deposit carnivore.
Have any of you taken a biteinto a stick of butter before?
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yes, for a video and it was not good.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
It's awful, isn't it?
It's butter, deceptively verygood.
Anything you put it on anythingyou mix it with fantastic.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
But this is the thing Sugar good, butter good, mix it
together good On their own.
Ugh, I'm not just going to havespoonfuls of sugar and biting
into sticks of butter, like no,it's bad.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
It's hydrophobic, so it coats the inside of your
mouth, makes it waterproof andit tastes like throw up all day.
So you're just stuck with athrow up taste that you cannot
wash out, that's lovely.
And carnivores are doing this,Like really?
Speaker 2 (35:10):
For their health, though, for their health, though
, okay.
Oh, if it's just for yourhealth.
Yeah, that's further obviously.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Why else would they do the Mental Health Month yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:21):
We got pretty off topic, though.
Whatever we talk about, we'regoing to get off topic, yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
See, we can joke about it because we've been
there, because we've experiencedit.
I think we're getting closer toa place where people are not so
afraid to talk about thisanymore.
It's almost the norm to havehad a situation where you've
either experienced this or hadthoughts about it.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
It feels like and I think for for a lot of people
though, it's just for different,but for different groups
there's there's still like thegroup that's it's hard to reach.
They are just like fordifferent, but for different
groups there's there's stilllike the group that's it's hard
to reach.
They are just like.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
No, absolutely not not talking about that at all
there's always going to beoutliers and again it's
difficult to talk about it inthe first place.
But like I.
I built my whole platformtalking about feelings.
I cried a bunch in so in videosthat did very well, and I did
not expect that.
I also didn't expect that everycomment that I'd receive from
(36:15):
it would be super, superpositive for the most.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
You'd get every once in a while somebody would be
like, well, he's soft or he's aweak or whatever, and then every
other comment responding to itwould be like no, sorry you, you
haven't been able to talk aboutit like we have I will say that
I love the fact that, uh, thecombination of I look like this,
I grew up outdoors, I've doneall this stuff, so whenever I do
(36:41):
get the um you're not manly,you're soft stuff which is very
rare, because people areinherently, like, afraid to say
that to somebody that looks likethis.
Um, it was actually justrecently.
I had somebody, of course, onone of my posts, be like oh he's
, he's not a bodybuilder, he'snot big, he's not tough, he's
(37:04):
definitely not healthy, all thisstuff and I just get to reply
with okay, what have you donewith your life?
This is what I've done with mylife.
I've summited three mountainsin a day.
I've volunteered in the fuckingamazon not the, not the outside
of the amazon, in the, in themiddle of the amazon.
I've spent a third of my lifecamping.
(37:24):
I've done it all.
What are your achievementscompared to mine?
And they have no response tothat.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
No, they can't handle it.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Yeah, I never get that conflict of identity,
because I basically look likesomebody pretending to be a
youth pastor it's, it's uminteresting if they ever mention
, like, uh, hunting or fishingor whatever, because that's very
typical, especially, uh, youhear women talk about um.
If they're on a dating app,most men will have a picture of
(38:00):
their kill on the hunting ortheir fishing picture or holding
up a fish, and it's like theseare my trophies.
Look at how big of the fish Icaught, look at how big this
deer is.
Like, oh, that's cute, youstill take pictures with your
dead animals.
Yeah, I stopped doing that whenI was eight.
I found out that I can dobetter stuff in life, and that's
not to put down people who lovehunting and stuff.
(38:21):
Obviously, if you love hunting,you want to record your your
stuff for posterity, um, or notposterity, but like uh, just to
remember it by all means.
But if you're trying to use itagainst somebody else, like no
other people have otherexperiences that they're going
to value more than that, andthat doesn't mean that their
(38:42):
experiences are worse than yours.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
The worst is like the trophy hunting, where they like
pay for an animal and theyrelease it and they're like I'm
gonna go chase it like, and it'susually some like endangered
fucking animal too.
I'm like, wow, that's wow.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
You, you really just fucking don't give a shit yeah,
that's just embarrassing too, II wouldn't be able to tell
anybody that I did somethinglike that because it's what a
coward like.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
You know why we have that's actually why we have
teddy bears.
You know that, right?
Oh yeah, we hunted them toextinction.
No, it was after teddyroosevelt.
They gave him a bear tied upand he was like uh, no, I'm not
gonna shoot a bear tied up.
And they're like what do youmean?
He's like he's fucking tied up.
Why would I, I'm not gonnashoot him.
And then a toy company heardthat and they made a teddy bear.
Oh, and he hated it.
(39:25):
Oh, never, never, you call himteddy in person.
He fucking hated that shit.
He was theodore roosevelt,motherfucker, but now we all
call him Teddy later on theHistory of the Teddy Bear
brought to you by In Moderation.
I, like some, I enjoy listeningand reading about Theodore
Roosevelt, interesting character.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Anyway.
So, mike, are you interested inopening up to what's been going
on in your life lately?
It inspires some people.
Inspires some people to talk.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
I've been in a bit of a funk lately, really have.
I've been in a bit of a funklately, I really have.
I've not been doing my podcast,I've not been doing live
streams, I've not even beenputting up as many videos.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
I know I've been bugging you to live stream.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Yeah, I haven't done much of anything in a while.
I haven't had a whole lot tosay Historically speaking, and I
don't think anybody wouldassume this about me unless I
said it, but I consider thecommunications part of my job to
be an occupational hazardsomething that I have to do.
(40:26):
It's a part that I need to getmy point across and to help
people.
I don't particularly love beingon camera.
I don't think that I'm asconcise as I'd like to be.
I think I meander from time totime, but from time to time is
generous, but it's.
It is just the necessary mediumto get this by, and I'm saying
(40:50):
all the things that I know Ineeded to hear when I was in
much tougher situations.
But you want me to tell you aquick story about when I started
making videos here.
Sure, because this kind oflines up.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Unless Liam has to go , unless you got to go.
No, you're good, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
All right.
So I started filming videos.
It was May 25th 2023, two yearsago and I had poured over what
to talk about for weeks.
I thought well it's, is thisgoing to be important enough to
be my first video?
Is this not going to beimportant enough that people
won't want to come back, noteven considering for a second?
(41:26):
No one's going to even see this, it doesn't matter.
And?
But I was filming these thingsboth one to just talk a little
bit about my journey in a mannerthat I hadn't before, but two,
and perhaps more expediently, Iwas trying to leave a legacy
that I was here and I was makingvideos for about a month or so,
(41:50):
and then it came to pass thatI'm like, I'm, I'm done, I'm out
of here.
It was like mid June ish.
This was my second time thatI'd been quite that close.
And, um, I'm.
I'll get into a little a coupleof details here, but nothing
gets violent.
I was standing on the side of aroad I've never told this story
(42:11):
Waiting for a truck to pass,because I assumed, you know what
, if the truck comes by?
One, it'll be quick.
Two, the person won't beresponsible for it.
Three, it'll all be insured.
I mean I will fuck him up forlife.
For sure that's going to happen, but at least he's not going to
(42:32):
prison.
And I stood there for like fiveminutes and this was a sort of a
spur of the moment.
But it built up to a pointwhere it's like that felt where
it was and I had had a explosiveblowout argument with somebody
and that's it done.
And a truck never came by.
Five minutes on a very busyhighway in New Jersey no trucks,
(42:52):
nothing.
And I stepped back, tired, done.
Then a Walmart truck went by.
If I had stepped back 10seconds later or something like
that, you guys wouldn't haveseen me about two weeks later
when I had that first video goviral where I'd taken my shirt
off at the beach for the firsttime.
One of the reasons I did thatwas because I'm like well, I'm
(43:13):
here still.
How crazy is that?
Why don't I try doing somethingI've not done before?
And that got me 50,000followers right off the bat.
You guys ended up finding me.
But had I just not had thatsplit second decision to be like
, you know what I'm almost?
I almost want to stay herebecause I'd be mad at the people
(43:33):
who would win if I wasn't.
That's the reason that you guysknow me, that I'm able to tell
this story right now, and ifanybody here that's listening
right now is in a similar spot,just know that I couldn't have
imagined any of this.
It was almost two years ago tothe day here that I I'd be doing
(43:54):
what I'm doing here and youknow what?
Speaker 2 (43:55):
I bet you there are, I bet you there are people
listening that at least resonatewith that somehow oh yeah, I'm
like would a truck really work.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
Is that gonna work?
When you were talking aboutthat, I was just thinking like
for me, similar thing recentlyis that I have that train that's
two blocks over that way.
Um, I try to edit it outwhenever it comes by.
I went during the podcast,which is a pain in the ass, um,
(44:22):
but if you're watching me livestream, you'll.
You'll hear it go by, andthere's just every once in a
while I think about what if Ijust step in front?
Speaker 1 (44:33):
of it lay down on track.
It's almost like a what's, whatdo they call it?
An invasive thought where it's,we're not even we're not
thinking, oh, how nice would itbe.
It comes to you.
Yeah, like if, if anybody herehas ever been like at a theme
park and a roller coaster getsclose enough that if you reach
through the fence you couldtouch it, and you have a thought
in your head of, like, what if?
But yeah, the immediateconscious thought is what the
(44:55):
fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (44:57):
I, I think we all have those sort of thoughts,
just like, yeah, how, what wouldhappen if?
And then you have this extremescenario, but it may, right
immediately you're like, well,let's just not do that for.
But yeah, there's definitely adifference between that and then
sitting there and planning itout and thinking about it, which
you know.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
In the moment that you decide it.
It almost does come along likesomething else tells you to go
about it, Even if you spend allthat time.
The first time that I wentabout doing it I packed all of
my things into boxes with noteson everything you know.
Here's where to send this, here, throw this out, don't let cops
touch this all that kind ofstuff.
(45:37):
And the only reason I didn'tend up going through with it
then was because I had a friendknock on my door that night and
because we we never used to call, we just knock, came in.
We hung out for a little bit,she went to the bathroom and
when she came back she noticedmy door cracked open and saw all
my stuff packed and she waslike you, you moving, what's
(45:58):
going on?
And I broke down and that12-hour conversation saved my
life there for a couple of yearsyeah, I had that uh there's a
lot of planning that that it was.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
What was it?
November or october we were.
We were supposed to be doing aum, a group roundtable podcast
and I didn't show and I hadtaken down all my stuff.
I'd taken down my social media,I'd taken down all my streaming
setup, I'd cleaned my office.
And it's crazy to look back atthat and be like, wow, you were
(46:33):
that close.
I was there for that.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
I believe James Capola was there.
If I'm not mistaken, alex Allenwas there, perhaps.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Yep, you Alex.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
James, and of course Liam was not there yet because
the rest of us.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
That's right.
That's right.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
We spent a while talking, because we were waiting
for you to come back and wewere also waiting for Liam to be
able to show up.
And I think after like an hour,we finally broke and we're like
all right, well, but we didn't,we didn't expect that, we
weren't thinking anything,thinking that that was the case
because it didn't.
Nothing had indicated it, buthardly does anything ever.
(47:14):
And you know, then, throughmutual friends of ours, we, you
know, we tracked down yourroommate and everything and
checked on you, cause we're likewell, actually, no, all this
now.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
This is weird.
I remember we were sittingthere like we're like, well,
let's see what we.
Then Alex, went through and Ifound your roommate through
social media and we were tryingto get a beat on what was going
on there.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
Well, a big thank you to you guys, and also thank you
, alex, for doing that.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
Yeah, because we're like he's all the way in Canada.
We can't just drive up there,dang.
How the hell are we supposed toget up there?
Speaker 2 (47:48):
I was like I'll drive over there, but I'm like I like
that, that's.
You know, that's a long way.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
Quite a distance, but we'd do it if we needed to, I'd
have to sneak across the border.
I don't currently have apassport, but it's a long border
.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
And like you were talking about.
Well, you're just getting inline at the border and you're
just like I'm Canadian, eh, bud,yeah right Maple syrup Ice
hockey.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
I have affordable health care.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
Oh come ice hockey.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
I have affordable health care oh, come on in.
Why didn't you say that?
What's a co-pay?
Oh, you're good.
Yeah, go right there.
Co-pay okay, like two peoplepay for something.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
Yeah, come on in yeah , I think you're talking about,
mike, with, like, your friendbeing there, and that's what
we've talked before on thispodcast, right about how people
just feel more isolated now,even though you have.
You might have thousands ofpeople around you.
You might be in an apartmentcomplex with thousands of people
, you don't know any of them, soyou just feel more isolated and
(48:43):
you don't have that friendthere to talk with you, to help
and that sort of thing, andthat's what I think this like
what, uh, this month people havebeen have been very open, like,
hey, if you know you need help,like I'm here, let you know,
let's talk.
I think that's that just thatcan help someone, um, and, at
least, if nothing else, at leastwe maybe that's something we
(49:05):
get out of this yeah, if I'mbeing honest, that's the
majority of what I'm goingthrough right.
Speaker 3 (49:10):
There is that feeling of loneliness, isolation, um,
I've mentioned it before.
I grew up with social anxiety,right, which made it hard to
make friends, hang out withfriends, and then for the last
two decades I haven't had muchin-person contact with people.
(49:31):
Uh, dating life is shit becauseI don't know how to flirt.
I'm also scared of flirting,even on the apps.
You know I'm like you'reinteresting, but I don't know
how to message you.
What do I say?
Speaker 1 (49:47):
If ever I'd gotten a match, I would have said I'm
sorry, I didn't mean to get inyour way.
Let me just get my way on outof here.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
Yeah, moving on.
Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, andyeah, it's just been just been
fucking lonely, yeah and thenyou go through a breakup and you
don't have like those friendsaround you.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
That makes it worse and it's just yeah right yeah,
and we all work from home now,which increases our chances of
like you mean for being right.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
You meet friends on like social media but, like you,
don't have anyone close to you,like you yeah, you know exactly
in person and it is great and Iwanted to go visit you guys
this year, but then you fuckedup your your travel for
canadians we fucked up a lot ofthings.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
That was just one of them, okay well, that's the
thing that affects me.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
Can you like not fly in here now?
Uh, I mean, it's a travelwarning, because there are
canadians that are gettingstopped and but that that's
primarily when they drive acrossyour border.
Patrols are setting upcheckpoints and stopping cars
and all that he's got to pretendto be American.
(50:56):
So what?
Well, I passed the citizenshiptest, so I'm all in there.
We go Tell them about the copayoh there we go.
I'm not kidding, I know whatcopay is.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
I'm trying to pay my copay, all right?
Oh yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
If they ask you if the best cooking fuel is propane
or charcoal, which one do youchoose?
Speaker 2 (51:20):
How much King of the Hill have you watched?
Speaker 3 (51:22):
I'm going to assume it's propane.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
Yes, you are Propane and propane accessories and
propane accessories.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
They're bringing back King of the.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
Hill eh, they are.
They are, I believe, becauseeverything's coming back.
We're in the age of everythingcoming back.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
King of the Hill, star Wars, fascism, everything's
coming back.
We're in the age of everythingcoming back.
King of the Hill, Star Wars,fascism.
I'm ready.
Oh man, Love Star Wars.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Wait till they're all going to roll it into one show.
It's going to be fucking wild.
Speaker 3 (51:44):
And it's going to have a guest doctor on it that's
afraid to say penis.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
I'm telling you, man, this I don't know if that is
better or Shaquille O'Seal, butboth of them fucking kill.
Both of them are fantasticideas.
If we don't make something offthis, I'm going to be very
disappointed.
Rob do not release this episodeuntil we've secured the
copyrights To Shaquille O'Sealand this doctor that we made up.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
Three years from now, when we proceed to protect this
idea.
This is an episode we recordedin 2025 about the crack company
that ended up failing andfalling apart and claiming the
lives of two of their threefounders.
Who might they be, oh man?
So Men's Mental Health Month.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
So Men's Mental Health.
Speaker 1 (52:26):
Men's Mental Health Month.
There is help availableeverywhere you go.
They've got 988.
You call that one, they've got988.
You call that one and it's mucheasier to remember than the
name of that song where the guyremember who can relate.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
It's like the suicide hotline song that would be an
American thing yeah, and it'sthe name of the song.
It was meant to have peoplelike remember what the suicide
hotline number is but, like mostpeople, don't even know their
mom's cell phone number011-8999-81199-919-7253.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
I remember 877-CASH-NOW.
You're in a crisis and that'sthe only thing you can remember.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
You're like no, I don't want Empire Carpet, Please
, I'm having.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
I think it was daichi wetworth I'm pretty sure, that
was like people scale on a bus877 cash now, because they just
did it over and over.
877 cash now, over and over andover.
I'm just trying to watchfucking.
Uh, you know prices right here.
Come on watching prices.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
Right, how do you dial?
Speaker 3 (53:35):
9-1-1 again.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
Oh yeah, 877 cash, now cash now 877 cash now and
people listening know peoplelike I remember that fucking
commercial.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
They played it so much do you know what your mommy
and daddy's phone number is?
Speaker 2 (53:47):
we can get you home 877 cash now I don't know, I
might not know my mother's phonenumber, but I know the number
to jg wentworth they can get methere.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
They're on the phone trying to get my money out of
mommy all the time.
Speaker 3 (54:04):
Men's mental health but as, as mike mentioned,
there's there's numbers to call,regardless what country you're
in and heck we're, we might notbe there in but you can always
come hang out with us on livestreams and stuff.
I live stream over on TwitchTuesday, thursday, wednesday,
sunday, and I'm trying to getMike to start live streaming.
(54:25):
Liam sometimes joins in andplays some repo.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
Oakley is starting her daycare next week, so for
three days a week we're actuallygonna have uh help, which is
gonna be uh fucking extremelyhelpful, because we've been just
us.
Speaker 1 (54:43):
we've been kind of drowning in that well, in honor
of men's mental health month, Iam formally announcing here this
is a in moderation podcastexclusive my return to regular
streaming.
I actually genuinely have hadpeople asking me why I don't do
it anymore.
No, I'm not nearly in themindset that I was in some of
(55:07):
the stories that I told today.
We all have rough moments, butnot in the last several years
have I two years now have I evenever been close to feeling like
that, and it's taken a lot ofwork.
It's taken a lot of effort.
I've had to explore a lot ofdifficult topics and I've had to
make a lot of difficultdecisions and moves and uproot
(55:30):
my entire life and do thingsentirely different.
It was was very scary, but Imean so was just facing down the
barrel of I don't want to behere anymore every day.
This is the longest stretch I'vegone in a long time wanting to
be here.
That is possible for you.
Speaker 2 (55:46):
I feel like Scotty says that a lot like lots of
things are going to be difficult.
Choose your difficult orsomething like I'm not a good
motivational speaker.
Speaker 3 (55:54):
Go listen to Scotty, but it's something like I'm not
a good motivational speaker andgo listen, scotty, but it's
something like that.
Yeah, that's uh.
Like I said, it's not the sameas being in person, but we we
like to have a lot of fun onstreams, so everyone's welcome
to come just hang out and andsmile as we make fun of each
other and because what arefriends to come play repo.
Speaker 1 (56:11):
Mike absolutely hated repo, so we're gonna it was the
only game I think I've everreturned.
I said I'm like I need to repomy money from this purchase
because it was.
I don't know.
Maybe I need to watch it againwhen I'm not in such a sour mood
.
Speaker 3 (56:26):
We're not going to force you to play it, but we are
going to keep bugging you toplay it.
No, I'll do it.
Speaker 1 (56:28):
I didn't give it enough of a chance.
I've stayed kind of away frombeing on screen for more than a
minute Because I'm like how muchof the you know, mike, the fun
character, can come out todayand not great at me.
But also I just want to mention, before we go, happy Pride
(56:52):
Month as well, because twothings can coexist.
We're not ignoring one for theother.
I wish that had been at thevery beginning, because, for
whatever reason, there'scontention, despite the fact
that so many people that are inthe.
LGBTQ community are strugglingwith mental health issues, many
of whom are men or maskpresenting people.
Speaker 3 (57:11):
Yeah, the whole idea that both things can't
simultaneously exist is insane.
Speaker 1 (57:17):
But you know, there'd be a lot less mental health
issues in the LGBTQ community ifpeople would just stop fucking
bullying them.
So you can stop mental healthfrom getting worse right from
your home.
Stop bullying people that aredifferent from you.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
And don't be your worst.
And two things can coexist, andtwo things can come together to
become Shaquille O'Neal.
Speaker 1 (57:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Amen.
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