September 25, 2025 • 41 mins
Ever wonder why some people can leave half a cookie untouched while others can't stop thinking about it? That difference isn't just willpower—it's about the relationship we've built with food, and the good news is that relationship can change.
Our conversation dives deep into the journey from disordered eating to food freedom. We explore how the "noise" around food—those constant thoughts and cravings—can transform from "two megaphones on your ears" to simply "an annoying roommate you need to knock on the wall to quiet down." This shift doesn't come from more restriction or perfect eating, but from developing awareness about how food actually makes your body feel.
One of the most powerful concepts we discuss is approaching food choices not by asking "How many calories does this have?" but rather "How will I feel after eating this?" This simple reframing helps guide natural moderation without rigid rules. We also challenge the misconception that intuitive eating means eating whatever you want—it's actually a skill that must be developed through practice, like learning to fly a plane.
The conversation tackles how research about "dangerous" foods often gets misinterpreted, creating unnecessary fear and stress that might be worse for us than the foods themselves. We break down how statistics about diet soda, processed meats, and other villainized foods often lack context, leading to confusion rather than clarity.
Ready to develop a healthier relationship with food? Listen now to discover why sustainable change comes when weight loss becomes the side effect, not the main goal. Your relationship with food doesn't have to be a lifelong struggle—it can be a source of joy and nourishment when approached with mindfulness and moderation.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Rob is not here with us today, I feel like we should.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
You're supposed to do the normal intro.
Mike, give us the normal intro.
I like when you do the intro,it's good.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Here's the thing that I realized about the intro last
time is that they're hearingthe intro and then they hear me
do the intro a second time,which is welcome to in
moderation.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
So it's intro squared and it's better I got it, Go
ahead, Go go go Intro when wegive you a moderate dose of
sarcasm.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Advice, and you already know we're not approved.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
There we go, that's one.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Today I've been approved as a co-host to you.
This is now I've co-hosted forboth of you.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah.
So then now, the next time it'sjust going to be you.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
It's only going to be me.
You're doing it all yourself.
I am in moderation, it's onlyme.
Mike needs a co-host, mikeneeds moderation or something I
don't know.
We'll have to workshop it orrun it by Rob, who is
unfortunately missing.
He got sent to seed oil reformschool.
That's where.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I was going to go with.
He's fighting Vikings, or nowait, you go to Valhalla after
you're done.
How does fall?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I think that's just his fourth period class at seed
oil remedial school.
Oh yes, he goes there.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I've got rapeseed, I've got soybean, I've got
Valhalla.
It's just adorable, typical dayyeah.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Normal, I've got Valhalla.
It's just adorable.
Typical day, yeah, normal.
And then we get to, yeah,hydrogenated oils right after
that.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
You know.
So, like, what I want to talkabout is because when we first
had you on, we talked about,like your weight loss.
You know the time during yourweight loss transformation and I
kind of want to say I thinkpeople just sort of like need
people like the inspirationright.
So I want to see what was yourkind of typical day before that
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and what is your typical day.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
So I'm going to start really quick by talking about a
typical day now, and then we'llget into where we are.
So I still and this is I justwanted to start this off because
we've not spoken in a very longtime I would say what?
One, two, three days, somethinglike that, something like that.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, do you know how many seconds that is?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
I don't.
That's a lot of seconds.
Almost as many ingredients asthere are in Crazy Bread at
Little Caesars.
I've counted because we allknow the number counts much more
than the actual ingredients thenumber of the ingredients is
the worst thing.
Yes, we know, yeah even if theingredients were, like you know,
cyanide and milled flour, andthat's it one ingredient sugar.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
That's why I have a spoon and a bag full of sugar
david rodent said something awhile.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
He said you're not addicted to sugar because no
one's ever been sitting with abag of sugar Just going into it.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
We've talked about that before because like, yeah,
exactly, it's not just likethere's sugar, Like you know.
You go to a store and they'relike, oh, would you like some
sugar?
And they just give you fuckinglike little shot glasses where
you sit there just sipping itlike little shot glasses where
you sit there just sipping it,like no one just sits here with
sugar.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
It doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Caramelizing sugar in a meth pipe, just trying to get
one hit.
I would never forget that andthat would be the greatest sight
.
If you just saw someone they'relike come on, come on, come on,
do you?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
have a light, bro.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
This is becoming burnt sugar oh no, fucking corn
syrup won't work.
I need cane sugar, you idiot.
Yeah, the high fructose cornsyrup won't work.
I'd eat cane sugar.
You're an idiot.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, the high fructose corn syrup just doesn't
hit the same way.
But back on the topic that youjust hit me with, as somebody
who used to be quite large, Iwas never terribly comfortable
in my body at my biggest or mysmallest.
So you know, when I went to aformal event when I was bigger,
it didn't really matter.
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I could just kind of, you know,cover my what I felt was a hog
body and a loose tarp and andshow up, and it didn't matter
because I was like, well, noone's gonna look at me, I don't
want them to.
Uh, now that I've lost all theweight and I've gotten in a
shape that I somewhat appreciate, you show up shirtless, I
showed up shirtless.
Well, the wedding kind ofbecame that once the rain
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started coming down, it wasraining sideways.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I mean, there was water up to your ankles, it was
ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
It became a pool party quickly.
It did become a pool party,which was great.
Those are the stories that youtell is all the stuff that went
wrong you know, but I was verynervous.
I'm a bow tie and suspenders guyand I was very nervous about it
being in my current form.
I'm like, well, I'm going tostand out, I'm going to look
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like, you know, a tall child, uh, amongst adults, and I just
thought I looked ridiculous.
And then I get to the hotel inmy car and I pick up this
strapping young, tall, handsomeman in a bow tie and suspenders
and I'm like, huh, he's lookingrather dashing, he really is.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Which I order those the night before the wedding.
I amazon that ship to my houseovernight because I had no
clothes.
Since they were all packed, Iwas like what can I wear?
I was like scotty bow tiesuspenders.
Okay.
He's like yep, definitely.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I'm like let's go let's go, let's do it.
But I thought you and this is Ididn't tell you that day, but I
thought you looked so good thatI looked at myself and I'm like
, well, we're kind of almostwearing the same thing.
We were both.
Yeah, it was just differentcolors, that's all.
But I'm just like, well, if helooks good, then I guess I must,
by proxy, also look good, andthat actually helped me through
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the day.
So I didn't get to tell youthat when we were there, but I
just wanted to tell you now.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
We were.
I didn't get to tell you thatwhen we were there, but I just
wanted to tell you now that wewere the best looking people at
that party.
Yes, there's other fitnessinfluencers who are like super
strong or whatever.
No, no, no, no.
Nothing compared to the tallskin.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
They can't work out those ugly mugs.
Looks maxing to failure, notgoing to work.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
If you're, if your calves have more than a seven
inch off diameter, then no, youdon't belong at this party.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Absolutely.
If you still have a neck, getout.
If your shoulders are notvisibly connected to your
jawline, we need you to go home.
So I'll tell you how.
This day related to a day in mypast, because I still get the,
the bingey tendencies.
I get the you know, wanting topicket stuff until I'm sick
tendencies, and I've got toolsthat I use to work through that.
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It's not nearly as loud as itused to be, whereas my food
noise was like two megaphones onmy ears before, and now it's
like an annoying roommate thatI've got to knock on the wall to
get them to shut up, you knowso.
So I approach things a littlebit more strategically.
Back in the day, if I hadapproached this at my heaviest,
I would have just said well,fuck it, it doesn't matter, I'm
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going to make myself sick, it'sa special occasion, I'll just
eat whatever and whatever.
Nowadays I think about how I'mgoing to feel the rest of the
night.
I'm not concerned aboutcalories.
I'm not tracking calories, I'mnot bringing a food scale.
My sole metric when I'm out ishow is this going to make me
feel?
Not mentally, not, no.
What will this do to mywaistline?
I know I went over my deficitor whatever, but I don't care.
(07:18):
All I want to do is get throughthat night without feeling like
shit.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Right, because I'm sure when you're at your heavier
side like you would eat thingsthat you just feel like shit the
rest of the night for sure.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, it's now.
I've got a rule I won't eatbarbecue before sundown, you
know, because, like, if I haveit at one in the afternoon, I'm
burned for the rest of the day.
What are you telling me?
Like I'm gonna have to liveafter that?
No, that's a going to sleepkind of meal.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah, I think like when it comes to like intuitive
eating, it gets a lot of flack.
And when I started getting intonutrition, I was I had my.
I was skeptical of it as well,because you know you tell people
like, oh yeah, eat whatever youwant.
No, eat whatever you want.
And they're like, well,obviously they're just gonna
inhale oreos and shit, likethat's all.
They're gonna eat nothing butreese's pieces.
But um, it's about teachingpeople.
(08:10):
They're like, hey, you could,you, totally you have free will.
You can do whatever the hellyou want.
You know you could.
You could wrap those oreosaround a pizza, roll it up, but
you probably won't feel so goodlater on.
So it's, it's about learningthat what works well with your
body, and I think so.
That's like I.
I think that's a good way oflooking at it's just like, hey,
if I eat this, how am I gonnafeel later?
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I feel later on, if I eat this,not so good.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Maybe that's not the best choice, not talking about
calories and it's got this andit doesn't have that, but like
and there's like when you're athome working with the food scale
or being more mindful, you'repaying attention to how much
food makes you feel good.
You're paying attention to likewell, this amount of food is
generally going to make me feelgood.
Have you seen those videosthat'll be like.
(08:54):
This is me when I'm intuitivelyeating an entire chocolate cake
.
I don't know if I have.
It's like a five second clip ofa guy just like totally going
down on a entire cake.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
And it's fun, like I, I, I, I giggle at those you
know, cause it's like it's superrelatable.
I get it.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Right, we all have that thought.
We're like what if I justinhaled this right now?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
My body's telling me that I want to eat this entire
cheesecake which is just.
I'm sorry to break it to you assomeone who used to eat entire
cheesecakes.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Your brain and your body don't want you gotta feel
so shitty after something likeI've.
I'm gonna be honest, I've never, like I've never.
I don't think I've ever hadlike a straight up, like binge
on something where I just likeyou know eight, three, four or
five thousand calories of aspecific food.
I don't know.
I think I've been very lucky orblessed, or whatever it is that
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I just like I've always justlike.
I eat something I use certainamount of like.
Okay, I'm good, that's it, I'mdone, I don't need any more of
this.
So I'm always interested inhearing other people like where
they come from, like when thathappens, and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
It was observing people like you that helped to
inform how I was going to live.
I remember I was at a barbecueyears ago.
I had lost most of the weight.
I think I was still due foranother weight gain after that
point.
But I was speaking with afamily member who had never
struggled with their weight,never seemed like they were
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watching anything.
Who had never struggled withtheir weight, was never like it,
seemed like they were watchinganything and they were eating a
cookie and then put it down totell me a story and all I could
think of the whole time was thecookie in that napkin and
they're just sitting theretalking and I'm like, well,
anyway, they're still.
are they gonna get back to thatcookie?
There's still half that cookieleft.
Can I, can I get?
(10:44):
Can I go grab another one?
Like all I could think of wasthe cookie.
And then at a certain point,like we got called inside or
whatever and they walked away,he just walked away from the
cookie, still in the napkin,still on the table.
And you're, just you're you'reflabbers are gassed in, yeah,
(11:10):
flatly gasted, so like insane,yeah, and I was at a certain
point I felt inclined to bringit up to him and I said hey, do
you?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
you left a cookie out there and he said, yeah, it's
fine, you can I hope you startedthe conversation just with that
, like, hey, just the cookie,the cookie outside.
You left that there.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
You finish that one I mean he was like, ah, damn fine
, you can have it piggy.
But I was like the reason I hadasked him was I'm like I needed
to know if he was thinkingabout it.
It was one of the structurequestions.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I see where you're coming from, but it's just as
from his perspective, he's likewhat about the cookie?
I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Yeah, he was just like I'm.
I don't.
If I need another one, I'll goget it, but it's honestly, I
just forgot about it and thatwas so intriguing to me that
somebody could just forget aboutcookie, bring up cookies.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Because I remember there was, um, I was watching
something, um they're talkingabout like weight loss and food,
noise and stuff on.
I think it was, I think tv,whatever um, where they said
like if there's a meeting andsomebody brings in cookies,
right, like there's a plate ofcookies, there's like three
types of people.
There's the type of people thatwill only think about the
cookies they come in.
They're just like god, I justwant those fucking cookies, so
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bad I could eat every single oneof those.
And then there's the peoplethat will eat one cookie and
they're like ah, that's it.
And then the third, the lastgroup, is the ones that don't
even notice.
It's like oh wait, there'scookies here.
I didn't even, I didn't evennotice that.
And like you're and noteveryone's one of those three
people, but like you know,you've got bits of both or
whatever.
(12:38):
And I think it's kind of workingwith what.
What type you are, and ifyou're someone you know is
always thinking about thecookies, can you get to a point
where you're more just, okay, Ican have one, let me eat one
cookie, and then hopefully Iwon't be thinking about them the
rest of the time, because Ithink a lot of people will try
to abstain completely.
I think that's better.
(12:58):
Right, like I'm not gonna haveany, I'm not gonna eat, and then
that's.
That's all you think about.
Then the rest of the time isthe cookies, whereas if you had
one, maybe that would help.
Of course, there's still peopleyou're probably still thinking
about it, but it's about gettingto that point right when you're
just like, okay, I'm going toeat one, because I'm that second
one where I'm like, oh,cookie's cool, I'll eat one and
then that's it.
I don't need to be sittingthere just eating a whole it is
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very possible to to change thetype of person.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
You are in that situation Because I've been and
on the topic real quick ofcompletely abstaining is sure,
will you be healthier if younever have a cookie again?
Like biologically sure, butalso like I don't wanna live a
life without cookies so, and Ialso don't wanna give cookies
that kind of power, like they'renot powerful.
I am powerful in that situation.
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If I say I can't control myselfaround a cookie, I am just
completely absolving my power.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Have you seen a macadamia nut like cookie?
That's a pretty powerful cookieright there.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
That's all I'm saying barely get to see them.
I'll tell you that much.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
They stay in my eyesight too long can I tell you
fucking subways like macadamialike cookies, like white
chocolate macadamia cookies.
I don't know what is aboutthose ones specifically, but I'm
like I want one of thosecookies.
I don't care if there are 400calories each, I want one per
bite.
It's they're so good themacadamia is giving that crunch.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
It's so good it's.
That's one of the only thingswhere, if someone's like I don't
like it, I stop being friendswith them.
It's we're gonna trust themafter that, absolutely not with
all these like food.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I keep getting people saying like they'll tag me in a
video of someone makingsomething like fucking decadent
ass cookies or brownies orwhatever it is, and they're like
can you make this low calorie,high protein?
I'm like, no, I can't.
But I'll tell you what I can dofucking smother my face with
the real deal, because that shitlooks oh, it's just unreal
appetizing.
(14:48):
Like I'm just gonna.
I made some like you know dipwith like did you know they sell
like the cheesecake?
Philadelphia has cheese.
I know it's just like ready toeat.
I did not know this.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
There's a couple of versions of Mike that.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
No, yeah, it's you go into that with an entire pack
of graham crackers.
So we I did heath bits, likeheath bits, and mini chocolate
chips and caramel.
Okay, I was like fuck, I'm justeating this with I with a green
apple.
Don't normally like green applestartness though the tartness of
the green apple works prettywell with the, with the dip and
the sugar and all the otherthings, and I just had some of
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it and I was done and I said waslike I didn't eat that, I'm not
going to eat that.
So I think that's more freeing,really right.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
So you're like, oh, I can have some.
So, as somebody who neverstruggled with that inability to
stop, what is it in your brainthat tells you we're done?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
That's a good question, because I think it's a
little bit of both.
It's a little bit of both.
It's a little bit of like justhaving the right appetite
regulation right, because you'relike you have leptin which kind
of makes you feel full, andghrelin that makes you feel
hungry.
It's not just those two things,but those are like kind of the
two hormones like the bigplayers in that.
And I think a lot of peoplehave a kind of a misregulation
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in that right where they justhave less leptin, more
ghrelrelin.
They're hungrier more often.
And I think I've always justhad balance of that, where I
start to eat and then I'm likeall right, I'm full, that's it.
I went to lunch today to meetwith a friend because I'm
leaving for New York, so I wasgoing to say goodbye everyone,
like hey, I'll be back next year, or whatever.
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And we went out and I got aburrito, like a Thai basil
burrito oh man, so good.
Sweet potato fries too, forgetabout it.
But like I ate half the burritoand then I had I saved the
other half.
I was like I'm not, I don'twant the other half, like I know
I I I'm like could I eat thisother half of this burrito?
Yeah, I'm sure I could fit itin my, a Japanese term.
(16:44):
Fuck, I'm going to butcher theshit out of it, but it's like
hara hachi boo or hara hachi boo.
It's like eat until you're 80%or something like that.
So, eat until like you're not.
You don't want to eat untilyou're stuffed.
You want to eat until you'relike okay, I'm not hungry
anymore.
And that's where I was at.
I was like I'm not hungryanymore.
I'm going to save this forlater.
And then I ate it, like acouple hours ago or something.
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And when I got home I was like,all right, perfect, I'll have
that now.
So it's a I.
It's partly knowing I'm goingto feel super stuffed and partly
just like I'm not really hungryanymore.
It's just like that's it.
I'm.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I'm no longer hungry.
Let me put it to you this way.
This is kind of like just apeek into the other side.
You have like say you werestudying for a test that got you
your degree in sleep medicine.
You know you're very nervousabout it.
Obviously you care a bunch, youhad studied a bunch and
everything.
I think so maybe, uh, maybe,you're a shit student for the
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most part.
When there was like a big testthat was going to make or break
whether or not you succeeded,how much did you think about it?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
about the test.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah, like were you able to relax at all during the
day, knowing it was coming up?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
I would say yes, but like when?
If it was definitely somethingon my mind, but it wasn't the
only thing on my mind.
It was something I could pushto the back and be like, all
right, I'm gonna watch this, I'mgonna play this, I'm gonna go
do this thing, and so, like I'mstill kind of you know, you have
that thing in the back of yourmind like, oh, I got that test,
let me just can't wait for thatto be over, but I still can
enjoy myself, and it's not theonly thing I'm fucking mr
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healthy.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Jesus christ, give me whatever piece of your brain
keeps you sane I don't listen.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I I've said it many times I think I'm just very like
, just genetics-wise.
I don't have any disorders orlike any.
Yet my wisdom, like that's themost I've like I've never even
had any real significance.
I've been pretty.
I've been pretty blessed,pretty privileged really.
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I mean we grew up without a lotof money, we didn't have a
whole lot of money, but outsidehealth, wise and everything.
So I think I don't know, Ithink a lot of it is just sort
of the like luck of the draw.
I, I mean I wasn't like an, astudent, but like I got by, just
I got by just fine.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
A dozen honors and I had it too damn easy.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I recognize, though, like I, and I think, yeah, when
I was younger and you're like 20years old, you kind of have
that.
I have that feeling where I'mlike, why doesn't everyone just
do what I do?
Jesus, it's so fucking easy Ifeveryone just acted like me.
They all you know.
So I definitely had some ofthat, yeah.
But then as I got older, Irealized there was a lot of
things.
There was just many factorsfrom nature to nurture, you know
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, like whether it's justgenetics or whatever it's your
upbringing that was differentthan mine.
There was many reasons whypeople struggle and recognizing
that, and I think going toschool for nutrition really
helped cement that, andlistening to other people who
are going through those thingscemented that even more.
And so now I'm just like, hey,we're all just trying to get
through this and live our life.
I'm very lucky.
Other people are not.
So I'm going to try and use myvoice to speak for them.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I hear all the time from people that have nothing
but nice things to say about you, like in my comments, when they
find out that you and I arefriends.
I love that guy.
He's really helped me heal myrelationship with food and
recognize that not everything isscary.
Like you're giving people powerback, which is really nice.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
That is one of the main goals when I really yeah,
really like hey, it's healthiertips, but also like, don't freak
out like that and that's what'snice.
I love seeing those commentsover and over.
I'll never get tired of that.
Like hey, I used to be scaredof everything I ate and now I'm
just kind of like living my lifeand I'm more relaxed and like
I'm not as stressed.
That's the biggest thing.
I don't know.
(20:27):
I just think, especially likeWestern culture gets so fucking
stressed out about everythingthat it's.
Is that thing important?
I'm sure it is, but the stressyou're putting yourself on
yourself is making it way worsethan the thing that's actually.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
There's a weird psychological thing that I
caught myself doing when I likelook back retrospectively at how
I used to act, and just withthe people that I help now,
whether it be my one-on-oneclients or my group coaching
community, one of the reasonsthat we self-sabotage is to give
ourselves permission to indulgein our coping mechanism.
If we can make a situation badenough, if we can convince
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ourselves it is required nowthat I take care of myself in
the only way.
I know how we will giveourselves permission to go off
the rails, as they'd say, and Icertainly did that.
I mean, obviously, the things Iwas going through at certain
times in my life were very rough, but I know there were times
where I was almost kind, kind ofstoking the flame in a way,
(21:25):
whether I knew it or not, to letmyself get that third order of
McDonald's.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
I think having a place where you feel comfortable
, you like you have this placeand put trying to push yourself
outside of that, you're alwaysgoing to just want to kind of go
back to that comfy place andlike that's I, not so much with
food, but like I married my highschool sweetheart, like we were
.
I met her when we were like 16and there were several times
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where, like you know, you gottabreak up and then get back
together and you break becauseyou're together for like 10
years, right, and like from 16to like 28 or something, so it's
like 12 years.
You do a lot of growing andcompletely different people.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
You're like completely different people by
the end of it and we would bothdo this, both of us.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
We're just like you'd go out and do something.
But then you're like, oh,that's, this is scary, and like
I don't know, it's just.
I know this person like this iscomfortable for me, even if
it's not the most ideal thing.
I understand this and it feels,I feel safe in here.
Like let me just go back tothis because the world right, I
think we all kind of have thatsort of thing.
So I like, from that aspect, Itotally get it, and I did that
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for a long time when you know itwould have been better for me
to just push myself outside mycomfort zone.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
But man, this fucking stuff, man, it's scary so
you're binging your wife is whatyou're saying I was binging, I
was really like we.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
It took a lot for me and there was a lot of things
and there was a lot of oh man,what?
Therapy on therapy after thatjust trying to figure out like
what, who I was afterwards andlike there was still times I
still wanted to go back to likemy ex and we still talk actually
to this day.
But we took some time, we tooka break apart and now we're
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actually like friends and wetalk and you know that sort of
stuff, check in with each other,but we're both much out than it
was before.
So it's just it.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
It took a lot of time to everybody gasping and
screaming that liam is happilymarried and still talking to an
ex.
Every situation is different.
It not everything has to end inhellfire and not every
relationship.
Yeah, I see that.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
A lot and I totally get why people do that.
They feel the need todisconnect completely.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
I like if you're in that situation I totally
understand, I do.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
But like I am that I I would like to feel that I'm
the type of person that, like I,can set these things aside.
I can disconnect these thingsand just like, all right, this
is just somebody.
I've known them since I was 16.
Like we grew up together.
It's like, oh, you know, um,but we can set aside all the
other stuff that will causeissues and we actually have
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what's left is like a nice andthat's what we in moderation.
We're switching from food totalking about relationship
statuses and how you can heal.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Isn't that the natural progression of fitness
people online is?
Eventually, we either coach orget into relationship advice, or
coach other coaches or get intorelationship advice.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
At least somewhat right.
It always ends up, you know, Idon't know why that is.
Is that for everyone?
Do you think it's just forfitness or like everyone?
Eventually, like therelationship just kind of comes
into it because it's like Iguess it's.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
It's when maybe your relevancy has fizzled out and
you refuse to move with thetimes, like there's a certain
creator that I I don't know if Iwant to mention them or not.
I mean, I'm not saying anythingout of school here, like it's
just stuff I've observed himdoing.
But he started selling thislike nootropic thing under his
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own brand I'll tell you the nameafter the show and andrew
humerman.
Well, he's just.
I've got some words about him.
Anyway, speaking of our guesttoday, let's bring him in.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Dave Asprey.
Oh, even better.
How's the bulletproof coffeegoing?
Still any mold in there?
No, Perfect.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, he's about to hook two electrical nodes up to
my asshole to change my geneticcode from the ground up.
The one thing that these peopleare the ones that are really
successful is really fuckingcreative.
Like years ago, he could getaway with the bulletproof coffee
, because that was insane to usback then.
Now we've got a circus monkeyas a president.
(25:31):
Butter in the coffee, that's.
That's just to me, a normalcoffee that's just another
tuesday, come on.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
We need something more, a lot more.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
So now he's got biohacking clinics where you go,
you pay pay him $50,000, yousign a waiver and who knows what
happens after that.
I don't think they let camerasin there.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
I really just feel like they had cardboard cutouts
and stuff of like machines andsomebody making a noise like
boom, boom, boom, boom, boom,boom and they're like all, right
now you're living another 10years.
They're like awesome, I'm gladI spent 50 years.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Don't look at the man behind the curtain and you pull
it back, and it's the wizard ofDr Oz.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
This is all our opinion, so we don't get sued.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
This is all just our opinion of what's a complete
opinion that I think.
In my opinion, these guys areall shit eating weenie babies.
That's not an officialdeclaration of anything.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
But anyway, back to food.
Uh, I was the original questionI want to say, you know,
compared to then to now, likeyou know, so you're just saying
so is that kind of.
The main thing is just how willI feel after I eat this?
Is that the main driver now?
Speaker 1 (26:38):
exactly.
It's pretty much like.
When I got here to dallas lastyear, I kind of stopped tracking
my calories for the first timesince I'd started mindfully
maintaining my weight, which atthat point I was what?
Two years into it, and Ihaven't gained any fat from
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April to April, 24 to 25.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
But you've gained habits, though, but I've gained
habits.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Yeah, I put the habits that I had gained to the
test.
Yeah, is really what I did.
And Dallas, the only good thingabout being here is that
there's some delicious foodeverywhere and I have not said,
oh, I can't have that becauseI'll gain my weight back.
I've had everything I've wantedto have.
It's just been in moderation.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Moderation.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
You said, the thing sounds so much better with that
moderation.
Moderation is not a good echoword.
No, you need a like two, one ortwo syllables at most.
But yeah, it's I.
The reason I had mentionedthose uh of somebody saying I'm
intuitively eating a wholechocolate cake is because saying
intuitive eating is a feelingis like saying I'm going to
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intuitively fly this plane.
I could get behind the wheel.
See, that's how much I knowabout how to fly in a plane.
I don't know how, whatever thatthing is that they have you can
picture the thing Sky car.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
The sky car.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, the thing that controls the sky car makes it go
this way instead of so, yeahit's.
You can't intuitively eat, justlike you can't intuitively fly
a plane.
Without practice, it is not afeeling, it is a skill, it's
something.
Now, at any point, I couldlearn to fly a plane.
Nathan Fielder just did it.
It's a good way of putting ityeah, but it's, that's how I
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changed it.
It wasn't a feeling, it wasn't.
I just suddenly like got better.
I had to train it and that'sone of the things that I trained
myself to do was like, do that,uh, whatever the that concept
you were talking about before,where you were worried about
butchering the pronunciation ofit.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yeah, harahachi Boo, harahachi Boo, it's really it.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
it building that skill just took me eating slowly
and taking notes for a while.
It was kind of neurotic, butI'm glad I did it.
I'm like I'm going to take abite and I'm going to wait five
minutes and then I'm going totake another bite.
Not, and I'm going to wait fiveminutes and then I'm going to
take another bite Not for mycalories, not for my weight, not
for my health, because Igenuinely just want to see how I
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feel.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
I think that's really smart, I think it's a really
good just slow, especially withour Western culture, united
States, whatever.
You just kind of scarf fooddown and move on.
You each eat out of your cupholder in your car as you're
driving and then it's gone bythe time you get there.
I'm talking to myself as well,like I've definitely been there,
(29:31):
but I think that that slowingdown can be different, I think
if you're trying to learn a newhabit like that there.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
That's another thing I don't do.
I don't eat when my mind isn'tthere.
My whole body's got to be there.
So I don't get popcorn at themovies anymore.
I don't get anything at themovies.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Oh dude, I yeah, okay .
That is one scenario where youwon't even realize, you just
kind of keep eating.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
You're like oh it's gone, yeah, and you look down at
that giant extra large and it'shuge the amount of food they
give you like you, look at yourstomach popcorn.
Where's it going?
I?
Speaker 2 (30:01):
say, fucking, they're so smart with, like I don't
know there's a term for it, butbasically, where you have a
small, medium and large popcornand the small is like $5.
The medium is $11.50 and thelarge is $10.
And you're like, okay, well, ifthe medium's $11, it's only 50
cents more for the large.
(30:21):
The medium is not there for youto buy it, it's just more for
the large.
The medium is not there for youto buy it, it's just to make
the large look better.
Yeah, it gets me.
I'm like well, I have to, I'vegot to get a large, it's right,
it's 50.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Yeah, no one's going for the medium I I.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Every time I see that on a menu, I think about it as
I'm ordering the large sometimesthere's there's times I'm like
I want to order the order mediumjust because I know that, but I
still won't even do it.
I'm like, no, just give me thefucking large, I'm going with it
.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
You order the medium.
They look at you and they'relike sir, are you sure Are?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
you, okay, we don't have any we actually don't have
any cups or things of that.
Nobody orders those.
Just give me like 80% of alarge.
They go back there.
They're like dust Busting offthe cops because they're filled.
It's just film with dust, it'snobody fucking orders.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
It still has the Pepsi logo from 2003 on it.
Where did this come from?
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Oh shit.
What they do have, though, isthe movie theater.
Honestly, one of my favoritethings about the movie theaters
is they have those fuckingfountain drinks with all the
options.
So many zero options.
They even have grape.
Why the fuck is it their grape?
Zero soda anywhere, right, god,grape is good, there's.
(31:31):
I have fanta sun kiss and crushthree orange.
I have enough orange.
I like orange soda.
Give me a fucking grape, guys.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Come on, what do I got that mountain dew and so at
the movie theater I can do.
Yeah, it's.
They've got, like, the flavoradditives to where, like, you
can get 10 different flavors ofSprite if you want.
Like they don't even make limeSprite, but you can get it from
a Coca-Cola freestyle machine atAMC and you can mix them
together too and go fucking.
You can get like just a halfgallon of red dye 40.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
I have cream soda like peach ones like cream soda,
strawberry cream soda, like abunch of different variations of
cream soda.
I'm like this is insane and I'mgetting the large and I'm going
back to refill this.
I am hitting my fucking ADI ofaspartame at this day.
How much is it that I need tohit 20 cans?
(32:30):
I'm easily hitting 20 cansright here and I gotta piss my
pants so bad by the end of themovie, but I'm not.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
I'm not missing no, I'm gonna miss it yeah, that's,
that's why.
That's why I like the movietheater I'm sitting down for a
four hour and 12 minute Marvelmovie with two gallons of Sprite
in my colon.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
There's refills.
No, no, I can't, I can't leave,I need to.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Do you have any?
It's the popcorn.
Just use the popcorn bucket.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
I was at the dentist today and it was like that.
My dentist is like, yeah, Idrink, like I still finished off
because he drinks like regularsodas.
So, he's like I only drink onehere and there.
And like my soda cans, I justfinished had like a santa claus
on them and I was like damn, Idon't even know what that's like
.
I drink like three or four aday like how the hell, like once
(33:16):
that all that infrequently?
No, I can't, I can't do it.
Listen, if the diet soda is thething that kills me, fuck it.
I die happy man like I'm notman.
There's too many other thingsto worry about than have diet
soda.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
You had posted a video within the last couple of
days I don't know if it wastoday.
I think I saw it today whensomebody was talking about diet
soda being linked to Alzheimer's.
Yeah, which is true.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
True, technically speaking, there's a higher
percentage of people uh, peoplewho drink diet soda tend to have
a higher percentage of all.
Yeah, but at least some studieswill find this.
It depends on the study.
But at the same time, you knowyou have to look at the
confounding variables.
Like, the people who drink dietsoda also tend to have more
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diabetes, because when you havediabetes you're not trying to
get fucking 48 grams of purehigh fructose course here
straight to your veins, straightto your fucking bloodstream.
You know you generally go withthe diet version and, yeah, uh,
people who have diabetes aremore likely to get, um,
alzheimer's.
It had to do with, like,constriction of the blood
(34:27):
vessels and a bunch of otherthings.
Anyway, the point is thatyou're more likely to have that,
so that's more likely.
Why, talking about that shit?
Fucking Tylenol, acetaminophen,acetaminophen they couldn't
have practiced?
that once before they ran awhole press.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
This is not a partisan statement.
They couldn't have just for onesecond.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
No, I don't Just say it.
You know you're going to say itanyway, whatever.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
The whole press conference was about it.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
But, like, acetaminophen is one of the only
things that women who arepregnant can take when they're
pregnant to reduce fever forpain.
Take when they're pregnant toreduce fever for pain, and
having a fever is, you know, oneof the things that seems to
increase the risk for a childhaving so or is it the tylenol
they're taking or is the factthat they've you know they're
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what they're taking it for.
So now you tell them to nottake that and more women are
going to just suffer throughfevers, which not the greatest
idea, no, and so, yeah, theseare all these, and that's the
thing.
It's like, it's kind of gettingfrustrating with this, like
anti-science, like people wantlike just one answer to things
and like I get it, it would beso great for, like, oh shit,
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it's been fucking Tylenol thiswhole time.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Well, let's just get rid of that Then we're good,
like that would be awesome it's,and also just another note here
the percentage by which it goesup.
So, like the example that Ilike to use, I think everyone is
aware of the fact that havingprocessed deli meats increases
the risk of colon cancer by like40 percent not right, but the
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absolute value yes, but it's 40of the amount that already
exists.
So the the last time I looked upthe statistic it's if you are
just an average human being,you've got a four percent risk
of getting colon cancer justwithout ever touching deli meat.
40 of that is 4.4 percent.
That's it.
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So it goes up.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Your new risk is and so those are one of those things
that, like I get on.
Like when you're givingguidelines for food, when you're
talking to millions of people,you say, okay, hey, this
increases your risk.
So you know, yes, it's only bya small percentage.
But if we tell everyone rightand every, you know, like, even
if we can reduce it on a like apopulation size, like a large
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population size, it will save asignificant number of people
from getting colon cancer.
So it's like I get it.
But also, yeah, and theindividual level.
It's like am I really justnever gonna have a hot dog
because, like of this one thing,not like whatever, it's a
fucking party.
I'm gonna have a hot dog putsome relish on it, because, god
man, I fucking love relish thepickles, man I love, I just you
(37:04):
like your fermented foods I likethe kimchi.
Oh, fucking kimchi man, thatshit that needs to be more
popular, see.
And kimchi, fiber fermentedfoods, good for your fucking gut
and stuff.
So yeah, just have some kimchiwith it.
Boom, balance.
That's what's, I think, moreimportant than like, oh, I can
never have it.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
It's also those numbers that 40% increase is
like, based on somebody who'seating like four ounces of it a
day over a long period of timeEating it every day, yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Typically it's just like having something to bake in
every day.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
They can't measure, so like having a hot dog.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Yeah, oh yeah, having that like here and there,
whatever, oh, it's some sausageat this fucking restaurant, cool
.
I think, again, the stress ofit is just more work, more
concern.
At the end of the day, I feellike most of us know what's good
for us, right, and so it's justlike stop stressing so much.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Believe it or not Drink your.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
eat your fruits and vegetables.
Don't stress so much.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
That's it that's the thing, though.
I didn't grow up having ahealth education class.
I was in a very conservativepart of my area and we just
didn't have a nutrition class.
It wasn't part of the routine,it wasn't part of the schedule.
Luckily, I had parents who werequite healthy and not in the
eating disorder way.
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A nutrition class.
It wasn't part of the routine,it wasn't part of the schedule.
Luckily, I had parents who werequite healthy and not in the
eating disorder way.
So I still do.
They're still here, still veryhealthy.
So I even had that model.
I knew what was good for me andwhat was right for me and
everything.
And I still gained a bunch ofweight, you know.
But like, yeah, in school wedidn't have it.
(38:45):
If it wasn't for my parents Iwouldn't have known anything.
School didn't teach us.
Did you get that in yours, newYork?
Speaker 2 (38:50):
I don't think we got much at least in like high
school or anything like that.
I don't remember.
Yeah, I don't remember too much.
You know what I do here.
It seems like every nightaround midnightley wakes up.
I don't know what it is.
It's like always aroundmidnight.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Sometimes she goes back to sleep and sometimes she
doesn't well, she knows thatit's about to be a drop of the
in moderation podcast yeah,she's like, hey, wrap it up,
guys.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Jesus, get the.
I'm freaking out.
Maybe she's having nightmares,I don't know, probably have to
go check in with her.
But yeah, yeah, um, you know,fucking, yeah, hiirahachi boo,
whatever.
Look up how to pronounce it.
Then pronounce it, then don'tstrike and fucking don't be your
worst yeah, uh, it's.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
if you're looking to do this, understand that it's
not going to be like a quickthing where you just flip a
switch and you're good to go.
Weight loss should not be themain attraction.
It should be a side effect ofchanging your life.
Yeah, yeah, it's.
If you're just looking to getsmaller, you're missing the one
organ that changed it all.
That was your brain.
So don't take a neck downapproach on this thing.
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Real quick, before we go, I justwant to give a quick shout out
to Rob, who makes the show run,puts it up every week, does all
that fantastic editing andlevels and stuff and handles.
I have no idea how to do.
I know how to do it and I don'tlike it, so that's why I don't
do it, and I come on yourpodcast more than I make my own.
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So shout out to Rob, who is notonly doing that, but helps
everybody in his life, and notonly us, but helps many people
online.
Spreads truth, spreads kindnessAll around.
Fantastic guy.
Shout out to Rob.
I hope you're doing well inseed oil remedial school.
We love you.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
And he's doing it all from Valhalla, which is insane.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Absolutely insane.
Love you, buddy, be kind toyourself.
Do I have to whip it out?
Okay, I need to go check, gocheck.
Rob is not here with us today, I feel like we should.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
You're supposed to do the normal intro.
Mike, give us the normal intro.
I like when you do the intro,it's good.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Here's the thing that I realized about the intro last
time is that they're hearingthe intro and then they hear me
do the intro a second time,which is welcome to in
moderation.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
So it's intro squared and it's better I got it, Go
ahead, Go go go Intro when wegive you a moderate dose of
sarcasm.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Advice, and you already know we're not approved.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
There we go, that's one.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Today I've been approved as a co-host to you.
This is now I've co-hosted forboth of you.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah.
So then now, the next time it'sjust going to be you.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
It's only going to be me.
You're doing it all yourself.
I am in moderation, it's onlyme.
Mike needs a co-host, mikeneeds moderation or something I
don't know.
We'll have to workshop it orrun it by Rob, who is
unfortunately missing.
He got sent to seed oil reformschool.
That's where.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I was going to go with.
He's fighting Vikings, or nowait, you go to Valhalla after
you're done.
How does fall?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I think that's just his fourth period class at seed
oil remedial school.
Oh yes, he goes there.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I've got rapeseed, I've got soybean, I've got
Valhalla.
It's just adorable, typical dayyeah.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Normal, I've got Valhalla.
It's just adorable.
Typical day, yeah, normal.
And then we get to, yeah,hydrogenated oils right after
that.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
You know.
So, like, what I want to talkabout is because when we first
had you on, we talked about,like your weight loss.
You know the time during yourweight loss transformation and I
kind of want to say I thinkpeople just sort of like need
people like the inspirationright.
So I want to see what was yourkind of typical day before that
(01:53):
and what is your typical day.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
So I'm going to start really quick by talking about a
typical day now, and then we'llget into where we are.
So I still and this is I justwanted to start this off because
we've not spoken in a very longtime I would say what?
One, two, three days, somethinglike that, something like that.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, do you know how many seconds that is?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
I don't.
That's a lot of seconds.
Almost as many ingredients asthere are in Crazy Bread at
Little Caesars.
I've counted because we allknow the number counts much more
than the actual ingredients thenumber of the ingredients is
the worst thing.
Yes, we know, yeah even if theingredients were, like you know,
cyanide and milled flour, andthat's it one ingredient sugar.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
That's why I have a spoon and a bag full of sugar
david rodent said something awhile.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
He said you're not addicted to sugar because no
one's ever been sitting with abag of sugar Just going into it.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
We've talked about that before because like, yeah,
exactly, it's not just likethere's sugar, Like you know.
You go to a store and they'relike, oh, would you like some
sugar?
And they just give you fuckinglike little shot glasses where
you sit there just sipping itlike little shot glasses where
you sit there just sipping it,like no one just sits here with
sugar.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
It doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Caramelizing sugar in a meth pipe, just trying to get
one hit.
I would never forget that andthat would be the greatest sight
.
If you just saw someone they'relike come on, come on, come on,
do you?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
have a light, bro.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
This is becoming burnt sugar oh no, fucking corn
syrup won't work.
I need cane sugar, you idiot.
Yeah, the high fructose cornsyrup won't work.
I'd eat cane sugar.
You're an idiot.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, the high fructose corn syrup just doesn't
hit the same way.
But back on the topic that youjust hit me with, as somebody
who used to be quite large, Iwas never terribly comfortable
in my body at my biggest or mysmallest.
So you know, when I went to aformal event when I was bigger,
it didn't really matter.
(03:47):
I could just kind of, you know,cover my what I felt was a hog
body and a loose tarp and andshow up, and it didn't matter
because I was like, well, noone's gonna look at me, I don't
want them to.
Uh, now that I've lost all theweight and I've gotten in a
shape that I somewhat appreciate, you show up shirtless, I
showed up shirtless.
Well, the wedding kind ofbecame that once the rain
(04:09):
started coming down, it wasraining sideways.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I mean, there was water up to your ankles, it was
ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
It became a pool party quickly.
It did become a pool party,which was great.
Those are the stories that youtell is all the stuff that went
wrong you know, but I was verynervous.
I'm a bow tie and suspenders guyand I was very nervous about it
being in my current form.
I'm like, well, I'm going tostand out, I'm going to look
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like, you know, a tall child, uh, amongst adults, and I just
thought I looked ridiculous.
And then I get to the hotel inmy car and I pick up this
strapping young, tall, handsomeman in a bow tie and suspenders
and I'm like, huh, he's lookingrather dashing, he really is.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Which I order those the night before the wedding.
I amazon that ship to my houseovernight because I had no
clothes.
Since they were all packed, Iwas like what can I wear?
I was like scotty bow tiesuspenders.
Okay.
He's like yep, definitely.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I'm like let's go let's go, let's do it.
But I thought you and this is Ididn't tell you that day, but I
thought you looked so good thatI looked at myself and I'm like
, well, we're kind of almostwearing the same thing.
We were both.
Yeah, it was just differentcolors, that's all.
But I'm just like, well, if helooks good, then I guess I must,
by proxy, also look good, andthat actually helped me through
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the day.
So I didn't get to tell youthat when we were there, but I
just wanted to tell you now.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
We were.
I didn't get to tell you thatwhen we were there, but I just
wanted to tell you now that wewere the best looking people at
that party.
Yes, there's other fitnessinfluencers who are like super
strong or whatever.
No, no, no, no.
Nothing compared to the tallskin.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
They can't work out those ugly mugs.
Looks maxing to failure, notgoing to work.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
If you're, if your calves have more than a seven
inch off diameter, then no, youdon't belong at this party.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Absolutely.
If you still have a neck, getout.
If your shoulders are notvisibly connected to your
jawline, we need you to go home.
So I'll tell you how.
This day related to a day in mypast, because I still get the,
the bingey tendencies.
I get the you know, wanting topicket stuff until I'm sick
tendencies, and I've got toolsthat I use to work through that.
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It's not nearly as loud as itused to be, whereas my food
noise was like two megaphones onmy ears before, and now it's
like an annoying roommate thatI've got to knock on the wall to
get them to shut up, you knowso.
So I approach things a littlebit more strategically.
Back in the day, if I hadapproached this at my heaviest,
I would have just said well,fuck it, it doesn't matter, I'm
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going to make myself sick, it'sa special occasion, I'll just
eat whatever and whatever.
Nowadays I think about how I'mgoing to feel the rest of the
night.
I'm not concerned aboutcalories.
I'm not tracking calories, I'mnot bringing a food scale.
My sole metric when I'm out ishow is this going to make me
feel?
Not mentally, not, no.
What will this do to mywaistline?
I know I went over my deficitor whatever, but I don't care.
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All I want to do is get throughthat night without feeling like
shit.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Right, because I'm sure when you're at your heavier
side like you would eat thingsthat you just feel like shit the
rest of the night for sure.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, it's now.
I've got a rule I won't eatbarbecue before sundown, you
know, because, like, if I haveit at one in the afternoon, I'm
burned for the rest of the day.
What are you telling me?
Like I'm gonna have to liveafter that?
No, that's a going to sleepkind of meal.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah, I think like when it comes to like intuitive
eating, it gets a lot of flack.
And when I started getting intonutrition, I was I had my.
I was skeptical of it as well,because you know you tell people
like, oh yeah, eat whatever youwant.
No, eat whatever you want.
And they're like, well,obviously they're just gonna
inhale oreos and shit, likethat's all.
They're gonna eat nothing butreese's pieces.
But um, it's about teachingpeople.
(08:10):
They're like, hey, you could,you, totally you have free will.
You can do whatever the hellyou want.
You know you could.
You could wrap those oreosaround a pizza, roll it up, but
you probably won't feel so goodlater on.
So it's, it's about learningthat what works well with your
body, and I think so.
That's like I.
I think that's a good way oflooking at it's just like, hey,
if I eat this, how am I gonnafeel later?
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I feel later on, if I eat this,not so good.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Maybe that's not the best choice, not talking about
calories and it's got this andit doesn't have that, but like
and there's like when you're athome working with the food scale
or being more mindful, you'repaying attention to how much
food makes you feel good.
You're paying attention to likewell, this amount of food is
generally going to make me feelgood.
Have you seen those videosthat'll be like.
(08:54):
This is me when I'm intuitivelyeating an entire chocolate cake
.
I don't know if I have.
It's like a five second clip ofa guy just like totally going
down on a entire cake.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
And it's fun, like I, I, I, I giggle at those you
know, cause it's like it's superrelatable.
I get it.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Right, we all have that thought.
We're like what if I justinhaled this right now?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
My body's telling me that I want to eat this entire
cheesecake which is just.
I'm sorry to break it to you assomeone who used to eat entire
cheesecakes.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Your brain and your body don't want you gotta feel
so shitty after something likeI've.
I'm gonna be honest, I've never, like I've never.
I don't think I've ever hadlike a straight up, like binge
on something where I just likeyou know eight, three, four or
five thousand calories of aspecific food.
I don't know.
I think I've been very lucky orblessed, or whatever it is that
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I just like I've always justlike.
I eat something I use certainamount of like.
Okay, I'm good, that's it, I'mdone, I don't need any more of
this.
So I'm always interested inhearing other people like where
they come from, like when thathappens, and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
It was observing people like you that helped to
inform how I was going to live.
I remember I was at a barbecueyears ago.
I had lost most of the weight.
I think I was still due foranother weight gain after that
point.
But I was speaking with afamily member who had never
struggled with their weight,never seemed like they were
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watching anything.
Who had never struggled withtheir weight, was never like it,
seemed like they were watchinganything and they were eating a
cookie and then put it down totell me a story and all I could
think of the whole time was thecookie in that napkin and
they're just sitting theretalking and I'm like, well,
anyway, they're still.
are they gonna get back to thatcookie?
There's still half that cookieleft.
Can I, can I get?
(10:44):
Can I go grab another one?
Like all I could think of wasthe cookie.
And then at a certain point,like we got called inside or
whatever and they walked away,he just walked away from the
cookie, still in the napkin,still on the table.
And you're, just you're you'reflabbers are gassed in, yeah,
(11:10):
flatly gasted, so like insane,yeah, and I was at a certain
point I felt inclined to bringit up to him and I said hey, do
you?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
you left a cookie out there and he said, yeah, it's
fine, you can I hope you startedthe conversation just with that
, like, hey, just the cookie,the cookie outside.
You left that there.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
You finish that one I mean he was like, ah, damn fine
, you can have it piggy.
But I was like the reason I hadasked him was I'm like I needed
to know if he was thinkingabout it.
It was one of the structurequestions.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I see where you're coming from, but it's just as
from his perspective, he's likewhat about the cookie?
I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Yeah, he was just like I'm.
I don't.
If I need another one, I'll goget it, but it's honestly, I
just forgot about it and thatwas so intriguing to me that
somebody could just forget aboutcookie, bring up cookies.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Because I remember there was, um, I was watching
something, um they're talkingabout like weight loss and food,
noise and stuff on.
I think it was, I think tv,whatever um, where they said
like if there's a meeting andsomebody brings in cookies,
right, like there's a plate ofcookies, there's like three
types of people.
There's the type of people thatwill only think about the
cookies they come in.
They're just like god, I justwant those fucking cookies, so
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bad I could eat every single oneof those.
And then there's the peoplethat will eat one cookie and
they're like ah, that's it.
And then the third, the lastgroup, is the ones that don't
even notice.
It's like oh wait, there'scookies here.
I didn't even, I didn't evennotice that.
And like you're and noteveryone's one of those three
people, but like you know,you've got bits of both or
whatever.
(12:38):
And I think it's kind of workingwith what.
What type you are, and ifyou're someone you know is
always thinking about thecookies, can you get to a point
where you're more just, okay, Ican have one, let me eat one
cookie, and then hopefully Iwon't be thinking about them the
rest of the time, because Ithink a lot of people will try
to abstain completely.
I think that's better.
(12:58):
Right, like I'm not gonna haveany, I'm not gonna eat, and then
that's.
That's all you think about.
Then the rest of the time isthe cookies, whereas if you had
one, maybe that would help.
Of course, there's still peopleyou're probably still thinking
about it, but it's about gettingto that point right when you're
just like, okay, I'm going toeat one, because I'm that second
one where I'm like, oh,cookie's cool, I'll eat one and
then that's it.
I don't need to be sittingthere just eating a whole it is
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very possible to to change thetype of person.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
You are in that situation Because I've been and
on the topic real quick ofcompletely abstaining is sure,
will you be healthier if younever have a cookie again?
Like biologically sure, butalso like I don't wanna live a
life without cookies so, and Ialso don't wanna give cookies
that kind of power, like they'renot powerful.
I am powerful in that situation.
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If I say I can't control myselfaround a cookie, I am just
completely absolving my power.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Have you seen a macadamia nut like cookie?
That's a pretty powerful cookieright there.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
That's all I'm saying barely get to see them.
I'll tell you that much.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
They stay in my eyesight too long can I tell you
fucking subways like macadamialike cookies, like white
chocolate macadamia cookies.
I don't know what is aboutthose ones specifically, but I'm
like I want one of thosecookies.
I don't care if there are 400calories each, I want one per
bite.
It's they're so good themacadamia is giving that crunch.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
It's so good it's.
That's one of the only thingswhere, if someone's like I don't
like it, I stop being friendswith them.
It's we're gonna trust themafter that, absolutely not with
all these like food.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I keep getting people saying like they'll tag me in a
video of someone makingsomething like fucking decadent
ass cookies or brownies orwhatever it is, and they're like
can you make this low calorie,high protein?
I'm like, no, I can't.
But I'll tell you what I can dofucking smother my face with
the real deal, because that shitlooks oh, it's just unreal
appetizing.
(14:48):
Like I'm just gonna.
I made some like you know dipwith like did you know they sell
like the cheesecake?
Philadelphia has cheese.
I know it's just like ready toeat.
I did not know this.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
There's a couple of versions of Mike that.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
No, yeah, it's you go into that with an entire pack
of graham crackers.
So we I did heath bits, likeheath bits, and mini chocolate
chips and caramel.
Okay, I was like fuck, I'm justeating this with I with a green
apple.
Don't normally like green applestartness though the tartness of
the green apple works prettywell with the, with the dip and
the sugar and all the otherthings, and I just had some of
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it and I was done and I said waslike I didn't eat that, I'm not
going to eat that.
So I think that's more freeing,really right.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
So you're like, oh, I can have some.
So, as somebody who neverstruggled with that inability to
stop, what is it in your brainthat tells you we're done?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
That's a good question, because I think it's a
little bit of both.
It's a little bit of both.
It's a little bit of like justhaving the right appetite
regulation right, because you'relike you have leptin which kind
of makes you feel full, andghrelin that makes you feel
hungry.
It's not just those two things,but those are like kind of the
two hormones like the bigplayers in that.
And I think a lot of peoplehave a kind of a misregulation
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in that right where they justhave less leptin, more
ghrelrelin.
They're hungrier more often.
And I think I've always justhad balance of that, where I
start to eat and then I'm likeall right, I'm full, that's it.
I went to lunch today to meetwith a friend because I'm
leaving for New York, so I wasgoing to say goodbye everyone,
like hey, I'll be back next year, or whatever.
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And we went out and I got aburrito, like a Thai basil
burrito oh man, so good.
Sweet potato fries too, forgetabout it.
But like I ate half the burritoand then I had I saved the
other half.
I was like I'm not, I don'twant the other half, like I know
I I I'm like could I eat thisother half of this burrito?
Yeah, I'm sure I could fit itin my, a Japanese term.
(16:44):
Fuck, I'm going to butcher theshit out of it, but it's like
hara hachi boo or hara hachi boo.
It's like eat until you're 80%or something like that.
So, eat until like you're not.
You don't want to eat untilyou're stuffed.
You want to eat until you'relike okay, I'm not hungry
anymore.
And that's where I was at.
I was like I'm not hungryanymore.
I'm going to save this forlater.
And then I ate it, like acouple hours ago or something.
(17:05):
And when I got home I was like,all right, perfect, I'll have
that now.
So it's a I.
It's partly knowing I'm goingto feel super stuffed and partly
just like I'm not really hungryanymore.
It's just like that's it.
I'm.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I'm no longer hungry.
Let me put it to you this way.
This is kind of like just apeek into the other side.
You have like say you werestudying for a test that got you
your degree in sleep medicine.
You know you're very nervousabout it.
Obviously you care a bunch, youhad studied a bunch and
everything.
I think so maybe, uh, maybe,you're a shit student for the
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most part.
When there was like a big testthat was going to make or break
whether or not you succeeded,how much did you think about it?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
about the test.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yeah, like were you able to relax at all during the
day, knowing it was coming up?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
I would say yes, but like when?
If it was definitely somethingon my mind, but it wasn't the
only thing on my mind.
It was something I could pushto the back and be like, all
right, I'm gonna watch this, I'mgonna play this, I'm gonna go
do this thing, and so, like I'mstill kind of you know, you have
that thing in the back of yourmind like, oh, I got that test,
let me just can't wait for thatto be over, but I still can
enjoy myself, and it's not theonly thing I'm fucking mr
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healthy.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Jesus christ, give me whatever piece of your brain
keeps you sane I don't listen.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I I've said it many times I think I'm just very like
, just genetics-wise.
I don't have any disorders orlike any.
Yet my wisdom, like that's themost I've like I've never even
had any real significance.
I've been pretty.
I've been pretty blessed,pretty privileged really.
(18:41):
I mean we grew up without a lotof money, we didn't have a
whole lot of money, but outsidehealth, wise and everything.
So I think I don't know, Ithink a lot of it is just sort
of the like luck of the draw.
I, I mean I wasn't like an, astudent, but like I got by, just
I got by just fine.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
A dozen honors and I had it too damn easy.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I recognize, though, like I, and I think, yeah, when
I was younger and you're like 20years old, you kind of have
that.
I have that feeling where I'mlike, why doesn't everyone just
do what I do?
Jesus, it's so fucking easy Ifeveryone just acted like me.
They all you know.
So I definitely had some ofthat, yeah.
But then as I got older, Irealized there was a lot of
things.
There was just many factorsfrom nature to nurture, you know
(19:26):
, like whether it's justgenetics or whatever it's your
upbringing that was differentthan mine.
There was many reasons whypeople struggle and recognizing
that, and I think going toschool for nutrition really
helped cement that, andlistening to other people who
are going through those thingscemented that even more.
And so now I'm just like, hey,we're all just trying to get
through this and live our life.
I'm very lucky.
Other people are not.
So I'm going to try and use myvoice to speak for them.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I hear all the time from people that have nothing
but nice things to say about you, like in my comments, when they
find out that you and I arefriends.
I love that guy.
He's really helped me heal myrelationship with food and
recognize that not everything isscary.
Like you're giving people powerback, which is really nice.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
That is one of the main goals when I really yeah,
really like hey, it's healthiertips, but also like, don't freak
out like that and that's what'snice.
I love seeing those commentsover and over.
I'll never get tired of that.
Like hey, I used to be scaredof everything I ate and now I'm
just kind of like living my lifeand I'm more relaxed and like
I'm not as stressed.
That's the biggest thing.
I don't know.
(20:27):
I just think, especially likeWestern culture gets so fucking
stressed out about everythingthat it's.
Is that thing important?
I'm sure it is, but the stressyou're putting yourself on
yourself is making it way worsethan the thing that's actually.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
There's a weird psychological thing that I
caught myself doing when I likelook back retrospectively at how
I used to act, and just withthe people that I help now,
whether it be my one-on-oneclients or my group coaching
community, one of the reasonsthat we self-sabotage is to give
ourselves permission to indulgein our coping mechanism.
If we can make a situation badenough, if we can convince
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ourselves it is required nowthat I take care of myself in
the only way.
I know how we will giveourselves permission to go off
the rails, as they'd say, and Icertainly did that.
I mean, obviously, the things Iwas going through at certain
times in my life were very rough, but I know there were times
where I was almost kind, kind ofstoking the flame in a way,
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whether I knew it or not, to letmyself get that third order of
McDonald's.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
I think having a place where you feel comfortable
, you like you have this placeand put trying to push yourself
outside of that, you're alwaysgoing to just want to kind of go
back to that comfy place andlike that's I, not so much with
food, but like I married my highschool sweetheart, like we were
.
I met her when we were like 16and there were several times
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where, like you know, you gottabreak up and then get back
together and you break becauseyou're together for like 10
years, right, and like from 16to like 28 or something, so it's
like 12 years.
You do a lot of growing andcompletely different people.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
You're like completely different people by
the end of it and we would bothdo this, both of us.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
We're just like you'd go out and do something.
But then you're like, oh,that's, this is scary, and like
I don't know, it's just.
I know this person like this iscomfortable for me, even if
it's not the most ideal thing.
I understand this and it feels,I feel safe in here.
Like let me just go back tothis because the world right, I
think we all kind of have thatsort of thing.
So I like, from that aspect, Itotally get it, and I did that
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for a long time when you know itwould have been better for me
to just push myself outside mycomfort zone.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
But man, this fucking stuff, man, it's scary so
you're binging your wife is whatyou're saying I was binging, I
was really like we.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
It took a lot for me and there was a lot of things
and there was a lot of oh man,what?
Therapy on therapy after thatjust trying to figure out like
what, who I was afterwards andlike there was still times I
still wanted to go back to likemy ex and we still talk actually
to this day.
But we took some time, we tooka break apart and now we're
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actually like friends and wetalk and you know that sort of
stuff, check in with each other,but we're both much out than it
was before.
So it's just it.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
It took a lot of time to everybody gasping and
screaming that liam is happilymarried and still talking to an
ex.
Every situation is different.
It not everything has to end inhellfire and not every
relationship.
Yeah, I see that.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
A lot and I totally get why people do that.
They feel the need todisconnect completely.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
I like if you're in that situation I totally
understand, I do.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
But like I am that I I would like to feel that I'm
the type of person that, like I,can set these things aside.
I can disconnect these thingsand just like, all right, this
is just somebody.
I've known them since I was 16.
Like we grew up together.
It's like, oh, you know, um,but we can set aside all the
other stuff that will causeissues and we actually have
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what's left is like a nice andthat's what we in moderation.
We're switching from food totalking about relationship
statuses and how you can heal.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Isn't that the natural progression of fitness
people online is?
Eventually, we either coach orget into relationship advice, or
coach other coaches or get intorelationship advice.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
At least somewhat right.
It always ends up, you know, Idon't know why that is.
Is that for everyone?
Do you think it's just forfitness or like everyone?
Eventually, like therelationship just kind of comes
into it because it's like Iguess it's.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
It's when maybe your relevancy has fizzled out and
you refuse to move with thetimes, like there's a certain
creator that I I don't know if Iwant to mention them or not.
I mean, I'm not saying anythingout of school here, like it's
just stuff I've observed himdoing.
But he started selling thislike nootropic thing under his
(24:51):
own brand I'll tell you the nameafter the show and andrew
humerman.
Well, he's just.
I've got some words about him.
Anyway, speaking of our guesttoday, let's bring him in.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Dave Asprey.
Oh, even better.
How's the bulletproof coffeegoing?
Still any mold in there?
No, Perfect.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, he's about to hook two electrical nodes up to
my asshole to change my geneticcode from the ground up.
The one thing that these peopleare the ones that are really
successful is really fuckingcreative.
Like years ago, he could getaway with the bulletproof coffee
, because that was insane to usback then.
Now we've got a circus monkeyas a president.
(25:31):
Butter in the coffee, that's.
That's just to me, a normalcoffee that's just another
tuesday, come on.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
We need something more, a lot more.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
So now he's got biohacking clinics where you go,
you pay pay him $50,000, yousign a waiver and who knows what
happens after that.
I don't think they let camerasin there.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
I really just feel like they had cardboard cutouts
and stuff of like machines andsomebody making a noise like
boom, boom, boom, boom, boom,boom and they're like all, right
now you're living another 10years.
They're like awesome, I'm gladI spent 50 years.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Don't look at the man behind the curtain and you pull
it back, and it's the wizard ofDr Oz.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
This is all our opinion, so we don't get sued.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
This is all just our opinion of what's a complete
opinion that I think.
In my opinion, these guys areall shit eating weenie babies.
That's not an officialdeclaration of anything.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
But anyway, back to food.
Uh, I was the original questionI want to say, you know,
compared to then to now, likeyou know, so you're just saying
so is that kind of.
The main thing is just how willI feel after I eat this?
Is that the main driver now?
Speaker 1 (26:38):
exactly.
It's pretty much like.
When I got here to dallas lastyear, I kind of stopped tracking
my calories for the first timesince I'd started mindfully
maintaining my weight, which atthat point I was what?
Two years into it, and Ihaven't gained any fat from
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April to April, 24 to 25.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
But you've gained habits, though, but I've gained
habits.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Yeah, I put the habits that I had gained to the
test.
Yeah, is really what I did.
And Dallas, the only good thingabout being here is that
there's some delicious foodeverywhere and I have not said,
oh, I can't have that becauseI'll gain my weight back.
I've had everything I've wantedto have.
It's just been in moderation.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Moderation.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
You said, the thing sounds so much better with that
moderation.
Moderation is not a good echoword.
No, you need a like two, one ortwo syllables at most.
But yeah, it's I.
The reason I had mentionedthose uh of somebody saying I'm
intuitively eating a wholechocolate cake is because saying
intuitive eating is a feelingis like saying I'm going to
(27:51):
intuitively fly this plane.
I could get behind the wheel.
See, that's how much I knowabout how to fly in a plane.
I don't know how, whatever thatthing is that they have you can
picture the thing Sky car.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
The sky car.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, the thing that controls the sky car makes it go
this way instead of so, yeahit's.
You can't intuitively eat, justlike you can't intuitively fly
a plane.
Without practice, it is not afeeling, it is a skill, it's
something.
Now, at any point, I couldlearn to fly a plane.
Nathan Fielder just did it.
It's a good way of putting ityeah, but it's, that's how I
(28:27):
changed it.
It wasn't a feeling, it wasn't.
I just suddenly like got better.
I had to train it and that'sone of the things that I trained
myself to do was like, do that,uh, whatever the that concept
you were talking about before,where you were worried about
butchering the pronunciation ofit.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yeah, harahachi Boo, harahachi Boo, it's really it.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
it building that skill just took me eating slowly
and taking notes for a while.
It was kind of neurotic, butI'm glad I did it.
I'm like I'm going to take abite and I'm going to wait five
minutes and then I'm going totake another bite.
Not, and I'm going to wait fiveminutes and then I'm going to
take another bite Not for mycalories, not for my weight, not
for my health, because Igenuinely just want to see how I
(29:09):
feel.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
I think that's really smart, I think it's a really
good just slow, especially withour Western culture, united
States, whatever.
You just kind of scarf fooddown and move on.
You each eat out of your cupholder in your car as you're
driving and then it's gone bythe time you get there.
I'm talking to myself as well,like I've definitely been there,
(29:31):
but I think that that slowingdown can be different, I think
if you're trying to learn a newhabit like that there.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
That's another thing I don't do.
I don't eat when my mind isn'tthere.
My whole body's got to be there.
So I don't get popcorn at themovies anymore.
I don't get anything at themovies.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Oh dude, I yeah, okay .
That is one scenario where youwon't even realize, you just
kind of keep eating.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
You're like oh it's gone, yeah, and you look down at
that giant extra large and it'shuge the amount of food they
give you like you, look at yourstomach popcorn.
Where's it going?
I?
Speaker 2 (30:01):
say, fucking, they're so smart with, like I don't
know there's a term for it, butbasically, where you have a
small, medium and large popcornand the small is like $5.
The medium is $11.50 and thelarge is $10.
And you're like, okay, well, ifthe medium's $11, it's only 50
cents more for the large.
(30:21):
The medium is not there for youto buy it, it's just more for
the large.
The medium is not there for youto buy it, it's just to make
the large look better.
Yeah, it gets me.
I'm like well, I have to, I'vegot to get a large, it's right,
it's 50.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Yeah, no one's going for the medium I I.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Every time I see that on a menu, I think about it as
I'm ordering the large sometimesthere's there's times I'm like
I want to order the order mediumjust because I know that, but I
still won't even do it.
I'm like, no, just give me thefucking large, I'm going with it
.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
You order the medium.
They look at you and they'relike sir, are you sure Are?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
you, okay, we don't have any we actually don't have
any cups or things of that.
Nobody orders those.
Just give me like 80% of alarge.
They go back there.
They're like dust Busting offthe cops because they're filled.
It's just film with dust, it'snobody fucking orders.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
It still has the Pepsi logo from 2003 on it.
Where did this come from?
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Oh shit.
What they do have, though, isthe movie theater.
Honestly, one of my favoritethings about the movie theaters
is they have those fuckingfountain drinks with all the
options.
So many zero options.
They even have grape.
Why the fuck is it their grape?
Zero soda anywhere, right, god,grape is good, there's.
(31:31):
I have fanta sun kiss and crushthree orange.
I have enough orange.
I like orange soda.
Give me a fucking grape, guys.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Come on, what do I got that mountain dew and so at
the movie theater I can do.
Yeah, it's.
They've got, like, the flavoradditives to where, like, you
can get 10 different flavors ofSprite if you want.
Like they don't even make limeSprite, but you can get it from
a Coca-Cola freestyle machine atAMC and you can mix them
together too and go fucking.
You can get like just a halfgallon of red dye 40.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
I have cream soda like peach ones like cream soda,
strawberry cream soda, like abunch of different variations of
cream soda.
I'm like this is insane and I'mgetting the large and I'm going
back to refill this.
I am hitting my fucking ADI ofaspartame at this day.
How much is it that I need tohit 20 cans?
(32:30):
I'm easily hitting 20 cansright here and I gotta piss my
pants so bad by the end of themovie, but I'm not.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
I'm not missing no, I'm gonna miss it yeah, that's,
that's why.
That's why I like the movietheater I'm sitting down for a
four hour and 12 minute Marvelmovie with two gallons of Sprite
in my colon.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
There's refills.
No, no, I can't, I can't leave,I need to.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Do you have any?
It's the popcorn.
Just use the popcorn bucket.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
I was at the dentist today and it was like that.
My dentist is like, yeah, Idrink, like I still finished off
because he drinks like regularsodas.
So, he's like I only drink onehere and there.
And like my soda cans, I justfinished had like a santa claus
on them and I was like damn, Idon't even know what that's like
.
I drink like three or four aday like how the hell, like once
(33:16):
that all that infrequently?
No, I can't, I can't do it.
Listen, if the diet soda is thething that kills me, fuck it.
I die happy man like I'm notman.
There's too many other thingsto worry about than have diet
soda.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
You had posted a video within the last couple of
days I don't know if it wastoday.
I think I saw it today whensomebody was talking about diet
soda being linked to Alzheimer's.
Yeah, which is true.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
True, technically speaking, there's a higher
percentage of people uh, peoplewho drink diet soda tend to have
a higher percentage of all.
Yeah, but at least some studieswill find this.
It depends on the study.
But at the same time, you knowyou have to look at the
confounding variables.
Like, the people who drink dietsoda also tend to have more
(34:05):
diabetes, because when you havediabetes you're not trying to
get fucking 48 grams of purehigh fructose course here
straight to your veins, straightto your fucking bloodstream.
You know you generally go withthe diet version and, yeah, uh,
people who have diabetes aremore likely to get, um,
alzheimer's.
It had to do with, like,constriction of the blood
(34:27):
vessels and a bunch of otherthings.
Anyway, the point is thatyou're more likely to have that,
so that's more likely.
Why, talking about that shit?
Fucking Tylenol, acetaminophen,acetaminophen they couldn't
have practiced?
that once before they ran awhole press.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
This is not a partisan statement.
They couldn't have just for onesecond.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
No, I don't Just say it.
You know you're going to say itanyway, whatever.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
The whole press conference was about it.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
But, like, acetaminophen is one of the only
things that women who arepregnant can take when they're
pregnant to reduce fever forpain.
Take when they're pregnant toreduce fever for pain, and
having a fever is, you know, oneof the things that seems to
increase the risk for a childhaving so or is it the tylenol
they're taking or is the factthat they've you know they're
(35:16):
what they're taking it for.
So now you tell them to nottake that and more women are
going to just suffer throughfevers, which not the greatest
idea, no, and so, yeah, theseare all these, and that's the
thing.
It's like, it's kind of gettingfrustrating with this, like
anti-science, like people wantlike just one answer to things
and like I get it, it would beso great for, like, oh shit,
(35:36):
it's been fucking Tylenol thiswhole time.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Well, let's just get rid of that Then we're good,
like that would be awesome it's,and also just another note here
the percentage by which it goesup.
So, like the example that Ilike to use, I think everyone is
aware of the fact that havingprocessed deli meats increases
the risk of colon cancer by like40 percent not right, but the
(36:01):
absolute value yes, but it's 40of the amount that already
exists.
So the the last time I looked upthe statistic it's if you are
just an average human being,you've got a four percent risk
of getting colon cancer justwithout ever touching deli meat.
40 of that is 4.4 percent.
That's it.
(36:22):
So it goes up.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Your new risk is and so those are one of those things
that, like I get on.
Like when you're givingguidelines for food, when you're
talking to millions of people,you say, okay, hey, this
increases your risk.
So you know, yes, it's only bya small percentage.
But if we tell everyone rightand every, you know, like, even
if we can reduce it on a like apopulation size, like a large
(36:43):
population size, it will save asignificant number of people
from getting colon cancer.
So it's like I get it.
But also, yeah, and theindividual level.
It's like am I really justnever gonna have a hot dog
because, like of this one thing,not like whatever, it's a
fucking party.
I'm gonna have a hot dog putsome relish on it, because, god
man, I fucking love relish thepickles, man I love, I just you
(37:04):
like your fermented foods I likethe kimchi.
Oh, fucking kimchi man, thatshit that needs to be more
popular, see.
And kimchi, fiber fermentedfoods, good for your fucking gut
and stuff.
So yeah, just have some kimchiwith it.
Boom, balance.
That's what's, I think, moreimportant than like, oh, I can
never have it.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
It's also those numbers that 40% increase is
like, based on somebody who'seating like four ounces of it a
day over a long period of timeEating it every day, yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Typically it's just like having something to bake in
every day.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
They can't measure, so like having a hot dog.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Yeah, oh yeah, having that like here and there,
whatever, oh, it's some sausageat this fucking restaurant, cool
.
I think, again, the stress ofit is just more work, more
concern.
At the end of the day, I feellike most of us know what's good
for us, right, and so it's justlike stop stressing so much.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Believe it or not Drink your.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
eat your fruits and vegetables.
Don't stress so much.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
That's it that's the thing, though.
I didn't grow up having ahealth education class.
I was in a very conservativepart of my area and we just
didn't have a nutrition class.
It wasn't part of the routine,it wasn't part of the schedule.
Luckily, I had parents who werequite healthy and not in the
eating disorder way.
(38:24):
A nutrition class.
It wasn't part of the routine,it wasn't part of the schedule.
Luckily, I had parents who werequite healthy and not in the
eating disorder way.
So I still do.
They're still here, still veryhealthy.
So I even had that model.
I knew what was good for me andwhat was right for me and
everything.
And I still gained a bunch ofweight, you know.
But like, yeah, in school wedidn't have it.
(38:45):
If it wasn't for my parents Iwouldn't have known anything.
School didn't teach us.
Did you get that in yours, newYork?
Speaker 2 (38:50):
I don't think we got much at least in like high
school or anything like that.
I don't remember.
Yeah, I don't remember too much.
You know what I do here.
It seems like every nightaround midnightley wakes up.
I don't know what it is.
It's like always aroundmidnight.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Sometimes she goes back to sleep and sometimes she
doesn't well, she knows thatit's about to be a drop of the
in moderation podcast yeah,she's like, hey, wrap it up,
guys.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Jesus, get the.
I'm freaking out.
Maybe she's having nightmares,I don't know, probably have to
go check in with her.
But yeah, yeah, um, you know,fucking, yeah, hiirahachi boo,
whatever.
Look up how to pronounce it.
Then pronounce it, then don'tstrike and fucking don't be your
worst yeah, uh, it's.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
if you're looking to do this, understand that it's
not going to be like a quickthing where you just flip a
switch and you're good to go.
Weight loss should not be themain attraction.
It should be a side effect ofchanging your life.
Yeah, yeah, it's.
If you're just looking to getsmaller, you're missing the one
organ that changed it all.
That was your brain.
So don't take a neck downapproach on this thing.
(39:54):
Real quick, before we go, I justwant to give a quick shout out
to Rob, who makes the show run,puts it up every week, does all
that fantastic editing andlevels and stuff and handles.
I have no idea how to do.
I know how to do it and I don'tlike it, so that's why I don't
do it, and I come on yourpodcast more than I make my own.
(40:15):
So shout out to Rob, who is notonly doing that, but helps
everybody in his life, and notonly us, but helps many people
online.
Spreads truth, spreads kindnessAll around.
Fantastic guy.
Shout out to Rob.
I hope you're doing well inseed oil remedial school.
We love you.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
And he's doing it all from Valhalla, which is insane.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Absolutely insane.
Love you, buddy, be kind toyourself.
Do I have to whip it out?
Okay, I need to go check, gocheck.
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