Scotty's Journey: Fitness, Family, and Social Media Stardom

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to episode 40 , 69, 1, 23.
I, liam's got me lost now.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
So for 8, 15, 16, 23, 42, I think I still remember
the lost numbers.
I mean I got into that show sohard.
After season two it's reallyall downhill but, like the first
two seasons are solid.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Yeah, I was heartbroken after after what
happened on loss.
Yeah, apparently they only hadlike two or three seasons on
this conversation.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
You're lost and lost.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
I get it um so and they had like two or three
seasons planned and then thenetwork's like it's doing really
well, we need seven.
And they were like, uh, wedon't have material for that and
they're like too bad, it'smaking money.
So they had to make sevenseasons and it was kind of a
shit show after that.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
But first two seasons phenomenal love, yeah see, is
exact opposite of what happenedto firefly.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Oh yeah, my heart goes for firefly people tell me
that you haven't seen it, I,only I because I hate getting
into a show.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
that's only one season and then it's over and
I'm sad and I don't want to setmyself up for failure.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
At least you got to make the movie.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Yeah, go to the movie .
Go in with the expectation thatit's going to break your heart
and you'll be just fine.
It's worth it, it's space.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
I don't like that.
That makes me feel sad.
Already Now I'm sad and Ihaven't even watched it yet.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
It's space cowboys who speak chinese.
It's fucking perfect.
I can't believe it got canceled.
It was such a good show.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
It was awesome.
Anyway, speaking of shows, weneed to get into things, but
first you should probablyintroduce yourself, scotty, we
got the man, the myth, themustache.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
The thumbnail for this episode is just gonna be
his mustache, not just themustache, I'm down.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
So yeah, guys, uh, thanks for having me on.
I'm scotty, um man, I am justsome asshole with a cell phone
in a kitchen and um who got kindof kind of bored and figured
out that I can yell at peopleabout counting their calories.
And it resonates with somepeople.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
And I just start yelling about something and
you'll find your audience.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yeah, and I think that's what happened is I?
I found my way to fitness thewrong way for a long time, my
way to fitness the wrong way fora long time, and, um I, I
finally kind of stumbled intowhere I belong.
And I want to help people getto where they belong in fitness,
because everybody has a placein fitness except v shred fuck

(02:38):
that guy oh yeah, I was startingoff wrong with the.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
V Shred.
Hey, I like it.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
And people were like what's wrong with V Shred?
I'm like, oh, you don't evenwant to get people like us
started on that.
I'm telling you.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
I Googled his real name and I went through for
probably an hour scrollingimages of Vince Sant until I
found all of the photos thatcould be seen in a negative
light because he has scrubbedthe Internet of them.
I have them screenshot in afile in my phone for thumbnails
perfect yeah, dedication yeah,but um, but yeah about me, if I

(03:16):
can.
I am a full-time firefighter.
Uh, I'm currently in paramedicschool full time.
I am a father as well.
I have four daughters.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
I can't.
I have one and I'm strugglinglike fours Go ahead.
It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
I've also got cats.
We had three.
One went missing so we gotanother one, and then my wife
got a raccoon she works withwildlife conservations and
rescues and then ended up thatcat came home just before I
hopped on the call.
So we now have four cats and araccoon.
Oh perfect, yeah, so I'm also acombat veteran.

(03:58):
I spent 11 years in the Army.
I'm a former law enforcementand EM, emt as well, advocate
for autism, um and a hugesupporter of um.
You know, people with eatingdisorders, lgbtq, plus
everybody's included yeah, yeah,everybody's welcome here.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Everybody's welcome, there we go yeah, I mean, I
talked to you a little before.
It just seemed like you're justjumping from thing to thing and
then eventually you're likesocial media sounds like a
fucking trip.
Why not go for that?

Speaker 3 (04:33):
yeah, yeah, um, my, my therapist will tell you that
I I enjoy spinning plates iswhat she calls it, um
professional juggler at thispoint.
So so yeah, yeah, it's been awild ride.
I was telling Rob that I'vegone from 700 followers to many,
many more in a very shortperiod of time and it's like a

(04:57):
fever dream.
I am absolutely elated and kindof floored by the amount of
attention and positivity that'scome from it.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
It's been that your staff has got specifically the
mustache.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Yeah, I got, I got tagged in your video 800 times
one day, ok, and I could tellright off the bat.
I was like, oh, this is goingto work on social media.
This is going to work extremelywell, I can tell.
So for anybody who hasn'twatched this video, it's
obviously do it.
But like it's, it's, it's justthis great mixture of here's
some educational like make thisrecipe, sort of thing, and also
like what the fuck did I justwatch, which is everyone's

(05:35):
favorite thing, because it'skind of makes you sit there and
kind of question just like what,what is going on?
And I definitely try to add alittle bit of that into my
videos just say somethingoff-handling.
People go what are you talkingabout?
And all the comments becomeabout that.
It's great, so like he'll belike cooking and then he'll just
be like up on his fridge, justlike sitting there lying down
before or just anywhere else, orjust something's flying like
anything that makes you go huhwhat?

(05:56):
and that really, I think, cracksthe social media game.
You need to start off withsomething that maybe has
absolutely nothing to do withthe recipe, it doesn't matter
and then just jump right into it.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
It's fantastic my, my , I think, my, I found my.
My opening is uh, if it's goingto be a food video where I'm
recreating some type of recipe,I want to find something that's
similar to it, not as a call out, uh, but with the cookie video,
right, like I want to.
You know, crumble cookie.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
I was trespassed from crumble cookie today for
counting all of their fuckingcalories like and I don't really
want to get into like too muchof like the social media
cracking it, but that's alreadyperfect.
When you say like trespassed,like what is people already like
?
What the hell does that?
I mean?
I guess I know what that means,but that's such a weird way.
Oh, and then crumble and thenwhat is this now?
And now you're throwing,throwing something Boom Already,
like hooked in, it's great, andthen just having little pieces

(06:47):
of that throughout the video.
It keeps people's attention.
It really does Doing a deadliftin the kitchen.
Perfect, just throwing thatshirt off, like, why not?

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Like fuck it Whatever .

Speaker 2 (06:57):
You know, just do some wild shit I'm telling you
Hulk.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Hogan style with the ripping Well.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
I can't.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
These shirts are very expensive I don't Well give it
a couple more months, You'll bemaking as much money as you need
.
Yeah, maybe.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
For anyone who's watched your videos, they know
you have just an absurd amountof fallout gear and that's also
like another great thing.
People see that they like thegame.
It's a popular game.
You're like oh yes, I'm, I'm,I'm totally in on this.
So here's the most importantthing of everything we're
talking about.
So listen, four is good,fallout four is good.
But you know, three, new Vegasjust has this great storyline in

(07:36):
it that I just thoroughly, andyou know you've got like
Caesar's Legion and like orKaiser I guess they call them,
you know it's it's just you gotthis.
You're just, I feel, envelopedin the game where four it's,
some of it's just felt sounderwhelming like the
underground railroad.
I felt like there could havebeen more things there.
I just feel a little.
It was just like bettergraphics, a hundred percent.
So if you're getting into itfor the first time, play four.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
But you know, try go back and play three so, and you
always got to do the oneintellect run on the original
fallouts I've never played oneor two I've never even attempted
with one intellect, yourconversations are literally like
uh oh yeah, it's awesome myfavorite, try that my favorite

(08:22):
is four, because that's what Istarted on, but only for the
graphics.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
I am well aware that New Vegas is a better storyline,
so if you can play it andmodify it to where it has better
graphics, that's mint.
My favorite thing about Falloutone.
However, now that Rob's broughtit up, is the TARDIS popping up
in Fallout one.
That was awesome.
It's there and as you approachit it does the TARDIS noise and

(08:50):
it fucks off West.
It's awesome.
It's like my favorite Easteregg.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Oh man, yeah, fallout's just a great game.
If you haven't played it, whatare you doing?
Check it out, yes.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
Let's finish listening to this podcast first.
Yeah, we need the listens.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
All right, but I guess we could go on to like
stuff we actually do and foodthings and whatnot.
So yeah, I mean you weretalking about how, like you kind
of started off on the wrongside of things and slowly kind
of made your way more towards ahealthier situation.
So you know, talk to me, tellus a little bit about that, like
at the beginning.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
So you know, talk to me, tell us a little bit about
that, like at the beginning.
So I I'm from the middle ofAmerica, which is just
notoriously undereducated, and Ididn't.
I was a 20 something year oldkid.
I didn't know what a caloriewas, and much less a macro, and
I I was gaining weight, I wasn'tworking out, I didn't know

(09:46):
anything about the fitness worldat all, led led to an
incredible bout of depression,and I wanted to lose the weight.
I wanted to feel good about whoI was.
I felt like I had this personinside of me, that that I should
be, but I didn't know how to doit.
And so I realized, after a very, very long stint of uh, just a

(10:13):
lot of fucking mistakes, what Itell a lot of people is the
catalyst that started mydecision-making processes to
change was I would wake up inthe middle of the night on a
specific circumstance where Iwas so hungry that my body woke
up and I was starving myself,and it was three o'clock in the

(10:35):
morning.
I went downstairs of my home.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
So when you started that I guess it's just to kind
of like fill in, like I justwant to see, like so did you
were just like I'm just going toeat less, and that's kind of
what led to that.
You were just like did you havea plan at all, or was it just?

Speaker 3 (10:47):
So I got online and I looked up, you know, fitness
advice, how to lose weight.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
And you found V Shred .
And that's how I found V Shred,right.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yep, and so V Shred's dumb ass gets on my screen and
he's like I've got a pizza andI've got a salad.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Which one do you think I need oh?

Speaker 3 (11:05):
and so, like I did the whole thing man, I jumped
through his hoops and I paid thedollars and I took his
somatotype test.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Great yes.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
It's on site, so I did all of that.
And then in the videos he givesyou, it's like move more, eat
less, drink, drink lemon water,you know, uh, all the classic
stuff all the tea extracts, youknow all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, but did he go for?

Speaker 3 (11:31):
coffee enemas on the coffee enemas yeah, not yet he's
not that desperate, but give ittime.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
So yeah, so we were just kind of like you were, just
like I'm just gonna eat lessfood.
Like, is that kind of?

Speaker 3 (11:45):
and so I would.
I would eat less, and then, ofcourse, that led to what I know
now is the hunger hormones justspiking in the middle of the
night and I would get so hungry.
Uh, in this specific scenario,I went downstairs to my kitchen
and I cooked in the middle ofthe night and I made a chili
dogs, right it's, and I ate 18chili dogs to make a bun or just

(12:13):
like with the bun, to makethings worse, just make sure I
got sick after number 12 andwent back for more.
And then then I and again thisis four o'clock in the morning
Now I went on a run.
I was like, oh, I did, I'm badnow.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
You hit that.
Oh, I fucked up.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Let me fix it.
And so I went on a run, andwhen running at a stark 300
pounds, I was in pain the wholetime, and so I would run and run
and run until I got sick again,and then I didn't eat for a few
more days, and that's when Irealized, oh, I have a problem.
Um, so I started trying to findpeople that I could trust in

(12:51):
the fitness world, and, um, thenI became a police officer,
which was wild, uh, because Iwas overweight.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
I went from cable guy to cop and um, so first you
were in the army and then youwent, and after that, yeah, yeah
, so a little bit all over theplace.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
Okay, uh, yeah.
Again, my therapist would tellyou that I've chased trauma,
I've been on, I've been on myown since I was 14 years old, so
I've had a lot of jobs.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Um I can tell you you chased trauma just because you
went on social media.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
Fast.
Yeah, I'm a glutton forpunishment.
So, yeah, I became a policeofficer, and then I was that fat
cop, right, okay.
And so there's guys in thedepartments that are in great
shape and I try to take advicefrom them.
But again, I still didn't knowwhat a calorie was, and so I'm
going to the gym for three hoursat a time.
I'm breaking my body down.
I'm going to the gym for threehours at a time, I'm breaking my

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body down, I'm trying to sprintmiles, and then I'm going to
Whataburger and having a poundand a half worth of
cheeseburgers and then goinghome, and so I was just doing so
much damage to my body.
And then, eventually, I cameacross Greg Doucette and Will
Tennyson.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Oh right, I think we all had that time where you find
yeah, you'd find greg isscreaming at you yeah, you gotta
train harder than last time.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Um, and so I, you know, a lot of that stuff
resonated with me.
And then I, uh, I left lawenforcement and I moved down to
texas and I'm losing weight.
At this point something isworking right.
And then I started taking fatburners.
Right, I got caught up on thattrend.
And so you're still losingweight.
At this point, something isworking Right.
And then I started taking fatburners.
Right, I got caught up on thattrend.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
And so you're still losing weight, even though
you're like kind of, your dietwas still kind of, let's say, a
little hectic.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Yeah, and that's what I tell a lot of people is you
can do the wrong shit for a longtime and still get some
progress, right.
Yeah.
And when people ask me, howlong did it take you to lose
that weight, it took me a longtime because I did it wrong, you
know.
It took me seven years.
You can still do it in in youknow a shorter amount of time if

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you do it the right way, andit'll still take you a long
fucking time.
So I got to get seven years,though.
Um and so when I was in Texas, II became a bounty hunter, and
so I'm in a little bit bettershape at this point.
I can run a mile in like 12minutes.
I'm doing okay.
And then I got poached to go toAfghanistan as a private
military contractor, and so I'mlike, okay, that sounds like

(15:17):
great money.
What do I need to do to do that?
And they have expectations foryour fitness levels, and so, for
obvious reasons expectationsfor your fitness levels and so,
uh, for obvious reasons, and soI trained so hard to make that
happen, I downloaded an appcalled zombies run, which plays
like oh yeah, that got merunning right, and so I'm

(15:37):
running miles every single day.
And then I'm eating, uh.
And then of course, gregdoucette's like lower your fat
content, right, eat your fuckingcarbs.
And so I'm eating, uh.
Then of course greg doucette'slike lower your fat content,
right, eat your fucking carbs.
And so I'm starting toimplement these things I I still
haven't weighed out my food andall these things uh, so I do
that, I start losing the weightand I I get on contract to go to

(15:59):
afghanistan and you have to gothrough a training, uh kind of
train up program for that, and Ibarely made weight, I mean
barely because they went off ofbmi and I barely made it.
And so I get on contract, butI'm the fat guy on contract,
right.
And so I'm like 260 and um, weend up mobilizing, we get

(16:21):
through Fort Bliss, we getthrough Kuwait, we go into Kabul
, and I couldn't do a pull up,you know.
And so I mean 260,.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
You know that's a lot of weight to be carrying.
That's still a lot of weight tobe carrying around.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
But now I'm surrounded by these freaking
operators.
Man, these guys are smart andthey're tough, they're working
out five days a week, they'reeating four meals a day and
they're jacked Right.
And so I'm like, I want to belike these guys.
So you start asking them, youstart trying to get some advice

(16:58):
from them.
I had a lot of great friendsthat gave me a lot of amazing
advice and helped me with myfood choices.
I had one guy who was in thehooch next to mine that every
time it was time for a meal he'dcome and like slap me awake and
be like let's go eat.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
And then I'd go to reach for something that's a
friend.
Oh, he was great.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
He was great.
It was really funny because Idid this thing where, if we had
a couple of days off because Iwas a contractor, I did this
thing where I would I call ittime travel I would take like
four sleeping pills and see howlong I can like zonk, and my
roommate would come in and he'dshake me awake.

(17:40):
Like Scotty, you're going tomiss your meals.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
You need to get your protein in, and so these guys
taught me hey, these are some ofthe healthier habits.
Yeah, Teaching about caloriesIn moderation.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
They were like hey man every food, everything you
ingest, has calories.
These calories are made ofmacronutrients, and one of them
tried to break it down for meand I started keeping a log
while I was in Afghanistan of myfood every day.
I would just write down like Ihad four spring rolls with, you
know, tilapia or whatever, and,uh, didn't have a food scale,
didn't really have access tothose types of things over there
.
And so when I came home fromAfghanistan, um, I was at the

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height of COVID had just hitright when I got off the plane
practically and so I took a jobas an armed security officer in
a local hospital and wait, wait,wait, wait wait.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Armed security officer in a hospital.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, there's a few.
There's a few Americanisms inhere that I think might need to
explain this to the Canadian.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
So in a metro like a metropolitan area, big city,
most of the hospitals that havean emergency department have on
site security personnel and so Ididn't have like a vest on or
whatever, but I did have the gunand the taser and all the you
know.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
You had a gun and a taser in a hospital.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Oh, and it was well warranted.
You know, there's a, there'smore than more than one hospital
in our city that has armedguards and more than one of them
have had shootings, and it'sit's America, violently American
.
And so I mean, I took, I tookthat job and I liked that job.

(19:21):
I really did, because the hourswere good, the pay was
fantastic and uh.
So I stayed at that job until Ibecame a full-time father, uh,
by myself, um and so, once thathappens, I had to switch jobs.
But during that time I had a gymmembership.

(19:43):
At the gym that was connectedto the hospital, and there was
this.
There was this guy there whowas built like a fucking
silverback gorilla, right, andthis guy was scary looking.
And, uh, I'm, I'm just somea-hole that's working out in, uh
, an oversized t-shirt.
And again, greg Doucette, willTennyson, I'm falling down the
rabbit hole.
I'm, I'm, I'm trying everythingthese guys are talking about.

(20:05):
And so this guy, jake, he comesup to me and he was.
He was like, hey, we need totalk.
I was like, oh God, this isgoing to go great.
Ok, man, what's up?
And he was like, he just staredat me for a second and I swear
to God, he's like be heretomorrow at two o'clock and I
was like okay, yeah.

(20:26):
All right, and I thought he wasgoing to murder me because it
turned out I got into a fight onthe playground Right.
I found out after thatconversation that his fiance
worked at the front desk and Ihad flirted with her once and I
was like, oh, he's going to killme.
So I showed up.
I showed up the next day at twoand he, he tossed me some

(20:47):
weight straps, you know, somelifting straps, and he was like
it's going to work out in.
And I was like awesome man.
And we were gym partners for ayear, you know, and he taught me
so much, he was so strong, andI asked him pretty early on I
was like Jake man, what do youdo for work?
He's like I'm an IT.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
I was like I always love that.
It's always great for no reason.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
You just type in like a motherfucker huh, I've broken
seven keyboards to replace them.
Right and so.
But at that time I was like,all right, now I'm getting a
grasp on these things.
I started meal prepping, nowI'm getting a grasp on these
things.
I started meal prepping and Istill struggled at that point in
my journey with binge eating,and I would be on the wagon for

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the longest time.
I would feel the progress, andthen I would make a mistake, I
would do something that did notget me closer to my goals.
Um, and being a full-time singledad was really hard as well,
and so I left that job, I leftthat gym, and I moved to a

(21:54):
suburb uh, out here and ended upbecoming a police officer again
.
Um, and that that sucked.
Being a cop sucks, and thatthat sucked being a cop sucks.
And.
But what that did is you know,now I've got a little bit more
money coming in and I can affordto prep my meals.
I am under no misconceptionthat being able to stay on track

(22:23):
with fitness Is in the sameboat as financial freedom, right
?
Um?
And so I got to a point where Icould afford meal prep
containers and afford to buychicken in bulk, and so, again,
I'm not weighing anything.
Yet I'm just, I'm.
I'm literally making a bunch ofchicken and I'm splitting it up
to portion sizes right.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
I mean, if you have just like the standard things
like your chicken, some type ofvegetable, some type of whole
grain, whatever it is, you knowyou can't, you don't necessarily
need to weigh everything forthat, because you know if you
don't get that, what are yougoing to get?
Instead, you're going to go toprobably like fast food or
something like that local.
Um, I get people at work askingme about you know things like
weight loss and whatnot.

(23:04):
I'm like one of the easiestthings it's just prepping your
food, even if you're notweighing things out, even if
you're not like trackingeverything, just making it at
home, because a lot of them willcome in and I'm not judging,
although like order some likebig cheese steak type, like 12
inch, like foot long thing, andI'm just like you know, hey,
that's, don't get me wrong, butlike that's a lot of calories.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
And so that was what I found, moving forward with
stuff.
And then I started findingthings like Liam, like Coach
Adam right, who are telling youknow, it's OK to start small,
it's OK to prep one meal, it'sOK to do meal prep, and so
that's when I started changingsome of my viewpoints on these

(23:46):
things.
And, um, not to say that Idon't struggle with binge eating
still, I still go to therapyfor it.
But once I started trackingthese calories, once I figured
out what the fuck is a BMR or a,a TDE right, and then I started
, you know, I started absorbingthis information and then I got

(24:09):
obsessive about it.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
That can definitely happen.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
It was a slippery slope very quickly, and what I
haven't talked about on mychannel yet, when I intend to,
is the social fallout frombecoming so just dialed in on
these things where, meticulously, you're upsetting people, right
, when you go to your friend'sbirthday dinner and you bring

(24:36):
your own food, or you go to acookout with your family and you
bring your own food, it hurtspeople's feelings.
Food it.
It hurts people's feelings umand and so you feel vindicated
in the moment, but it doesn'thelp relationships which are
more important than calories.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
It's really tough to walk that line, because you kind
of go from this place of like,oh maybe I don't care, I'll just
do whatever.
And then you find somethingthat works and you're just like,
okay, I have to do this thisperfectly.
And you it's easy to getobsessive about it you see that
progress and you keep what youwanted, to keep going.
So you're just like I can't getoff track ever and my that's my

(25:11):
.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
My training changed so many times as well.
You know, I went from beingobsessed with being strong Right
, I wanted to be the strongestperson that I could be and then
I went to OK, that's over, Iwant to be as skinny as possible
, I want to feel good with myshirt off.
I don't.
Well, you know I.
And so when I startedrestricting those calories, I'm

(25:35):
like, ok, I'm doing the researchand I'm sitting in front of my
computer and it's telling mecaloric deficit, caloric deficit
, okay.
So I look up that, what is acaloric deficit?
And it's like it's literallythe only way you're going to
lose weight.
And I'm like, okay, so count,count your fucking calories.
That's where that started, wasright there.
And so I started weighing myfood and I realized the portion

(26:03):
sizes, the serving sizes ofthings are asinine.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
So according I looked this up according to the in
America here, because it's inother countries it's like those
serving sizes will be per like100 grams, which makes sense,
but here it's supposedly,according to the FDA, supposed
to be what an average personwould eat in one sitting, which
is kind of absurd because youknow it was.
I think they just changed icecream.
It used to be like a third of acup was a serving, which I'm

(26:27):
like.
Who?

Speaker 1 (26:30):
what just use metric already?

Speaker 2 (26:33):
but even if we use metric, we still we would still
have serving sizes as twocookies, like I'm telling you we
still do like it is.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
When you start looking at serving size, yeah, I
can get a little sad yeah, and,and so when I started doing
that, I I started looking atlike one of my favorite foods,
oreos right, low oreos.
But then I start looking atlike, okay, oreos are like 53 to
55 calories a piece, holy cowright, there's no shot, I'm not
eating a whole sleeve of oreos.
Um.

(27:02):
And then then again I'm comingacross stuff with you in it, man
, that's talking about like,okay, we don't restrict, we
replace, we don't take away, weadd two.
And so that's when I starteddoing that.
Um, and then, uh, you know, yourun into life problems and you
end up kind of stumbling intowhere you're supposed to be my
youngest daughter, to be myyoungest daughter.

(27:28):
She's five now, but when shewas three she had a seizure out
of nowhere, right, and freakedme out.
I was not medically inclined atthe time.
She almost passed away due tothis medical event and it turns
out that she's got tumors in allof her vital organs and her
brain and her heart and allthese things that cause these
problems.
And so at that point in time Iwas like, okay, here's the
catalyst for change.
I need to be as fit as possible, I need to be as smart as

(27:50):
possible to keep my kid alivefor long Cause if I can, if I'm,
if I'm around and I'm smarterand I'm healthier, I can move
quicker, uh, then I can do this,right.
And so I started actuallyweighing the food out, I started
actually tracking the deficitand, uh, you know, understanding
what my body is capable of andchanging my training and doing

(28:11):
more cardiovascular trainingjust for the purposes of being
able to move my body, not toburn the calories, instead of
being so in in depth about whatI looked like it was what I
could do, and that changed somuch for me.
It helped my mindset so muchand this is also in conjunction
with therapy, you know, um, soit's, it's been a wild ride, but

(28:36):
all of that, uh, to be said,that's with that type of
training and that consistencycame with the physique.
I chased the physique for solong that and I never got it.
It was when I changed mymindset as to what, what I was
training for, right, and so Iended up going to EMT school and

(28:57):
I didn't grow up chasing firetrucks, um at all.
And my, uh, my now fiance Icall her my wife Uh, you know,
her dad is a fireman, just afantastic mustache, and we were
on a family.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
We're on a family vacation.
That's the number onequalification for firemen is
fantastic mustaches have to haveit.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
We, uh, we were on a family vacation and he turned to
me and I think he had maybesaid like six words to me at
this point in our relationshipand he's a very gristled man,
salt of the earth type, and heturns to me.
He's like you look like you cancarry a couple of people that
up a burning building.
And I was like maybe he waslike, why don't you apply?
And I was like, sure, and I did, and I accidentally got hired

(29:44):
that's the way I put it and Imade it through the academy.
I tore my shoulder, I tore myknee.
I just came off of a kneesurgery about 12 weeks ago.
Because of it, and so, butbecause of the training right,
because of the, the nutritionalchoices that I made, my body was

(30:05):
able to able to do that as well.
And so now I have this awesomeopportunity to not only give
back to the, the community thatbuilt me Right, which is the
personal trainers and things inthis city.
I can also be that paramedic orthat EMT, that fireman that
showed up on my daughter's calland saved her, that guy ate his

(30:26):
fucking wheaties that morning,right.
And so I now have anopportunity to do that too.
And so now, with the socialmedia space, I have an
opportunity to be that bridgethat gets you over the v shred
thing Right, and into peoplelike Liam, like Rob, like TNF,

(30:46):
and over all the bullshitteryRight.
And that's why, like I hate thepaywall thing Right With the V
shred like, I'll give you thisinformation Just jump through my
30 second quiz.
For seventy five dollars atnineteen, ninety, nine a month.
Eat a dick, so.
But that's that's where a lotof the hatred comes from, and

(31:08):
it's uh.
That's why I did that.
That Monday video that I postedof like this is boring, right,
to be consistent andsuccessfully consistent.
It is boring, right.
I didn't talk in that video.
The only thing I said was itgoes in the bowl, and that was
on purpose, because I wantedpeople to see.
This shit is boring, like I'meating lunch by myself, I'm

(31:31):
eating snacks by myself, I'mgoing on runs by myself.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Sometimes it's lonely it doesn't have to be, but
sometimes the decisions you makeare going to be hard, right
going to be hard, right, I wouldsay, I think being being
healthy, you know, and justeating overall it's so tough
because, like you're talkingabout, like v shred, these
people they have a lot of money.

(31:54):
Like v shred it's not just him,like it's a whole company.
Like behind him and all thesepeople.
It's.
It's pretty much the same way.
Where they have a lot of moneyand they have a, they I'm sure
the analytics they have have tobe ridiculous in terms of like
targeting people who are new.
They have a lot of money andthey have they.
I'm sure the analytics theyhave have to be ridiculous in
terms of like targeting peoplewho are new.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
They have an amazing marketing team they really do.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
They're like liquid death.
They got great marketing, they,they know who to target and
it's.
It's really unfortunate becauseyou know, for those people that
are new, it you want somethingexciting, right, like, don't you
want something that's like newand like you're like you want
something, you hear somethingthat's like revolutionary that
will change your, your, yourthought process.
You're like that's the one, theone thing you were missing the,

(32:34):
the one yeah, yeah and I get alot of people ask me that in
comments on like dms, like Ihave, this isn't like what's the
thing I can do.
I'm like can't.
It's.
It's tough because it's kind ofjust overall, like similar shit
.
It's just like yeah, that's whyI say like add more of this and
that you know, limit thesethings, don't eliminate them or

(32:54):
drive yourself crazy.
It's.
It's kind of boring, like Iunderstand.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
I get that it's kind of boring, and that's why the
broad generalization of countyour fucking calories and that
like that.
Right, there is the baseline.
If we understand what a calorieis right, we understand that
one gram of protein is fourcalories and we understand that
carbs, the big bad carbs, arealso four gram or four calories

(33:19):
for one gram.
They're not so scary, right it?
You know?
And when people, when peoplehear that the reason why keto
works so quickly is that youlose water weight, because you
know it makes sense, but theydon't want to, you know, accept

(33:42):
that because they've heard fromhundreds of people that they've
lost 30 pounds.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yes, we've gone over this before, where testimonials
are far more powerful thananything else.
Like you see, and that's the,that's the V shred stuff Like,
look at this person, they lostall this weight.
That you have an image in it,right, an image says a thousand
words.
Right, like you, you seesomething like, oh, that I want
that.
And so I tell people yeah, likeyou know, we'll cutting out an

(34:08):
entire macronutrient help youlose weight.
Probably, I mean, if you cutout all fat, you'd probably lose
weight too.
Like you know, are you going todo that for the rest of your
life?
It's not, it's not so much fun.
So, yeah, you were saying those.
And then you know fat has ninecalories per gram.
So there's, you know, andthat's why, know what's low fat.

(34:31):
You want to make sure you haveenough fat to you know for
proper hormone functioningobviously that's important, but
you know your liver doesn't fallinto your ass yeah, like
there's bodybuilders, you knowthey go on full, full on prep
mode and they've got like 30, 20, 30 grams of fat in their whole
day and like, yeah, that longterm isn't going to be, isn't
going to be ideal for yourhealth, but like you know.
So counting your calories, I'dsay it's, it's very helpful for

(34:54):
some people and I think, um,it's especially can be really
helpful at the beginning.
I think it's the most helpfulat the beginning when you start
counting calories, because thatgives you an idea.
Like you were saying, when youstarted off, you didn't even
know it.
You're just like, oh, food,like I don't know, I'll just eat
this.
But having counting yourcalories for just like a week,
because most of us eat the sameshit like every day.

(35:15):
I don't know about you guys, butI eat like the same things over
and over.
So like you track that, you'relike oh okay, so I know
generally how many calories arein this and so you know, I don't
know counting your calories forthe rest of your life.
Some people might enjoy that,but it can be very tedious.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
So, for me, I have a lot of food anxieties because of
my eating disorder, right, andso if I don't know how much is
in there, I will tell myselflies, and I'll be like you know.
I'll tell myself, oh, that wasway too much.
You know, you need to back off.
And then I kind of on accident,restrict too too heavily.

(35:51):
So, okay, when I, when I countmy calories, I'm allowing myself
the freedom to eat, right?
So unless and instead of beingrestrictive, it's permissive for
me, um, and that's again.
I found that out throughtherapy.
I I gave up calorie countingfor a little bit and I found
that I had so much anxietyaround food that it was almost

(36:11):
debilitating it's so interestingbecause everyone's so different
.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
There are many people that see calorie counting and
they start to kind of get what,they start to get worried.
They start I see people youknow, like you do the thing
where you like, save all yourcalories.
What is it?
What is it?
Uh calorie, uh banking?
Or banking your calories whereyou're just like I'm only gonna
eat one meal at the end of theday and I can pig the fuck out
and I'm like, okay, like you,yeah, no, that will work long

(36:37):
term long term.
Are you gonna?
That doesn't sound you.
So you're starving most of theday, and then you're stuffed
beyond belief at the end of theday.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
So you're probably shit, yeah, you're pissed off
all day and you're cranky andthen you end up with you know uh
, pain.
You're just in pain afterwardsand I've done that right.
So, like one of my favoritethings, uh, before I I got
really heavily into therapy, isevery year for my birthday I
would go to an all-you-can-eatbrazilian steakhouse.
I wouldn't eat all day, right,yeah, right, you save it up and

(37:09):
I'd save it up and I would eatuntil I was in pain, um, but,
and I I almost made it like agame for myself too, or I'd be
like I wonder how much weightI'm gonna gain from this, and so
I would weigh myself before andI'd weigh myself after in my
like you know and so, and butthat right there, that that
helped me as well, because I waslike, okay, I gained nine
pounds because I ate nothing butfucking steak.

(37:30):
Now, tomorrow I'm going toweigh six pounds more than I did
before I ate, and then it'sgoing to go away after that
because it's not real, right.
And so that helped me immensely,and that let me buy the scale
can fuck you, and that by thescale can fuck you.
That's something I brought upin one of my my videos is that I

(37:51):
used to weigh myself everysingle day for over two years
and that that ruined me.
I would wake up when you had abad day Right.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
You're just like fuck .
Well, this sucks, and it wasthe first thing in the morning
too, because again I heard thisfrom you.
You want to make sure you ruinthe rest of your day as early as
possible.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
Immediately.
Again, I heard this from youwant to make sure you ruin the
rest of your day as early aspossible, immediately, and so I
would.
I would weigh myself firstthing in the morning and I would
stand in front of the mirrorwhile I did it.
So with my clients.
Now, if we have a bad bodyimage, we're not allowed to do
that.
You know.
You do not stand in front of amirror because if you look down
and you see a number that youhave an expectation for and it's
not there, and you look andyou're upset about it, you have
an emotion about it.

(38:28):
You look up, you're gonnaproject that emotion onto that
mirror and we're not gonna dothat, and so that's.
I did that for a long time.
Um, now I haven't weighedmyself since I won that fitness
competition, uh, and I don'tthink that the scale matters.
I don't.
I.
I don't have a metric that Ihave to live by.

(38:48):
I don't have an expectationthat I hand myself.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
I just have to say like, not worry about I haven't
weighed myself in like monthsand there was a time I went
through.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Oh I weighed myself every single fucking day.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Absolutely, I had the little graph and you know my
app on the phone and as you seeit going up or down and you're
just like checking it all thetime.
I just check it throughout theday.
Has it changed?
No, I haven't weighed myself.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
I don't know why I'm checking it um, zoom out to make
sure it's going down.
Let me double check.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
But, like you know, just letting that go and just
you know it's very.
It's just like life is for me.
It's too short to be worryingabout like all these little
things so I'm worried it makeslife shorter, yeah you just
stress yourself out.
So, like I mean justimplementing these.
Like you know, add, notrestrict.
Just like add some, you know,more nutritious foods into your

(39:32):
diet.
Have an idea of calories.
I think that's a good idea.
As far as people ask me all thetime like, oh, how many
calories do I need?
Like, how do I know exactly?
You said bmr earlier, which isyour basal metabolic rate.
So that's how many calories youburn, existing, like if you
were just laying in bed and notdo anything and then you have
all these other ones.
So, like your, your totallydaily energy expenditure is all

(39:53):
of those things.
So it includes, like, the foodyou're digesting and how much
moving around you're doingdesignated exercise,
non-designated exercise,everything.
How much you're shouting atpeople on the internet ah, and
it can be very just likestressful.
Try and figure all that out, andyou?
There's online calculators thatyou can plug your numbers into
and they'll give you an ideaSuper generic very generic idea,

(40:18):
Like I looked it up and it waslike you need twenty eight
hundred.
I'm like I eat thirty fivehundred to maintain my weight,
Like that's just a lot ofdifferent.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
What I you said something earlier about, you
know, counting calories when youbegin, right, and that is what
most people need for like a weekor two.
Yeah, exactly.
And that's exactly where I wantto be is I want to be the gate
that pulls people into this andI give them that beginning
knowledge and I fucking shootthem that way, right, Because,
and most, and I think that I waswith americans and everything

(40:48):
being shooting, everything, Ithink you all should know that
by now.
I feel like yeah my, my bigthing is I think I'm there
because the majority of thecomments that I get are, like
you know, in the bowl, but alsoum fall out in the bowl.
Yeah, how you know?
How do I find out what mycalories are?
Or what is a?
What is a macronutrient right?

(41:10):
What do you think about keto?
And so being able to take theseimmediate uh practices and and
flip them on their head and belike here's what actually works,
even if they don't hold on orsustained to counting your
calories.
Counting your calories is thebest way to start.
So you have that general idealike you were talking about.
So because, again, I didn'topen my eyes to any of this

(41:33):
until I had a grasp on and sothat's where this whole idea
came from was like how should Ihave started?
How can I get people to start?

Speaker 1 (41:42):
so when you don't try to do algebra, before you try,
before you know how to add, yes,exactly so like when you work
with clients, then like what doyou have them?

Speaker 2 (41:50):
kind of like, where do you have them?

Speaker 3 (41:52):
kind of start, do you have them just track calories
for like a little while 100 yeah, so I when since my whole brand
is count your calories when,when I have a client come in, uh
, and we have a talk, I'm like,okay, run me through first of
all, I do a video call or aface-to-face like tell me about
you, because you're not just anumber on a screen or a line in

(42:14):
the email.
You're a person, and so I get toknow these people and then I'm
like all right, so tell me whatyour goal is.
And almost all the time it's mygoal is you know, I want to be
185.
Okay, well, why 185?
Well, I feel like that's when Ilooked my best.

(42:34):
Okay, let's cut out themiddleman.
You don't want to look, youdon't want to be 185.
You want to look your best,right?
So let's, let's focus on that.
Um, these people like I want tofeel good in the shirts that I
have that I can't fit.
Yeah, I want to look, I want tolook good in nice clothes.
Okay, great, let's fucking workon that.
And so I'll ask them at thatpoint Okay, so what does a
normal week of eating look likefor you, Right?

(42:56):
And then they're like well, Idon't really know.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Okay, a lot of people haven't really thought about it
yet.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
Like, okay, well, why don't we?
Why don't we talk about it?
Why don't you go through thisnext week, okay, and try to get
some some steps in, okay, and uh, if you go to the gym, here's
some ideas.
Just over the next week, I wantyou to keep track of some of
the foods you're eating for me,right.
And if you, if you weigh outyour food and you track your
calories, bring them to me forthis week, right.
So, uh, and then at the, at thenext check-in for the week, we

(43:24):
talk about it, because I don'thave to shove these people into
a gym, I don't have to shovethese people onto a food scale,
because if we can start slow,then we go longer, right, um.
And so a lot of my clients getto a point where they're like,
okay, well, I had a peanutbutter and jelly sandwich and I
had three of those.
I'm like, okay, great, how muchpeanut butter?
I don't know.

(43:46):
Okay, let's try to figure thatout.
And so, uh, a lot of them endup counting their calories
because it is a consistent wayto lose weight.
Um, and I, I also have peoplewho don't want to count their
calories, right, and that thatis totally fine.
I I tell them uh, okay, let'swork on one meal a day.

(44:06):
Right, not eating one meal aday, but let's focus on one meal
a day.
Right, not eating one meal aday, but let's focus on one meal
a day, and it's only steak meat.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
That's it Now.
You'll lose weight.
See you later.
That's 100%.
That's $100.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
Thank you.
Carnivore diet yeah, god man.
But that's how we usually start, and I was telling Rob earlier,
I've gotten just this widevariety of clients.
Now where it's?
You know, I've got some peoplethat want to lose weight.
I have some people that want tomax out their army combat

(44:39):
fitness test and go to rangerschool and all this awesome
stuff that I now get to beinvolved in, and so the training
varies widely and sort of the,the, the calorie needs, and so
one of my biggest things about,uh, meeting with these clients
is I also asked them at the endof the call Um, that's one of my

(45:00):
favorite things to do, becauseit it allows me to learn about
these people and and it gives mean insight to who they are, and
it also gets them thinkingabout who they are.
So at the end of the call, I say, hey, give me three things that
you love about yourself.
And they always get to.
They fucking never get threeRight.
And so, um, when they get tothat third one and they're like,

(45:24):
oh man, you really put me onthe spot here, I'm really
stumped.
Yeah, I know, all right, nextweek you better have that number
three Right.
And so by the time we get tonumber three.
You know that next week.
Ok, great, now let's focus onthat one right there, because
you found that this week, and soI get a chance to to not only
help these people find theirfitness goal right, their level

(45:47):
of of fitness that they strivefor, but I also get to help them
with their mental health.
So one of the things we do oncheck-ins like hey, what was
going on with your stress levelsthis week?
You know you got somethingweighing on you and you need to
get out right.
Or what's going on at work?
You know, um, is theresomething that's keeping you
from your sleep?
Is there anything you need toair out?

(46:07):
And I find a lot of the timethat that confidential
conversation alone in theirbedroom with the guy that
they're probably never going toactually meet in person, that
they can just spew it and they,I can be their punching bag and
I can take it and I can shut mylaptop and that's the end of it,
right.
And I needed that when Istarted.

(46:29):
I needed somewhere to be like Ifucking sucked this week and I
hate myself and I neededsomebody to tell me that I was
wrong.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Yeah, I mean you were talking about before, like you
know, going to therapy.
It's, it's helpful.
It's just to be able to justfucking release.
And just because you get we allin life man fucking beats you
up, you need to be able to justfucking release.
And just because you get we allin life man fucking beats you
up, you need to be able to justrelease some stress.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
yeah, sometimes and, and you know, uh, I, by design,
I make myself busy.
You know, I, I enjoy beingproductive.
Uh, they, they say there's twotypes of men in this world, of
men who have a legacy to live upto and men who have a legacy to
build.
I feel like I am both thelatter, so, so I am, I'm
constantly doing something, man,um, but I, I have an amazing

(47:14):
support system.
Now, you know, I was burningthe candle at both ends and I
was spinning out, um, but now Ihave this amazing wife and I've
got awesome friends and I have agreat community around me that
has allowed me to kind of be assuccessful as I currently am.
And, uh, and it's awesome man,I and I've, I've really
appreciated where I'm at,especially this past week.

(47:36):
I'm telling you it's been crazy, hey look this is my support
system right here.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Well, you got to introduce the cat now.
This is Pippin.
He's leaving.
Oh, he's climbing on myshoulder.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
Anyway, that's awesome we, uh, we have a.
We have a raccoon, a babyraccoon right now and her name
is Nora um, from the fallout forwife, who got shot in the head,
um, but uh, yeah, man, uh's.
That's pretty much kind ofwhere I found myself now is I

(48:11):
want to be that gateway intofitness for people to be like I
want to replace V-shrimp, butthe right way.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
The part of the support system.
I mean, we've talked many timeson this podcast about how how
important it is to have somepeople around you that are
supported.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
Because if you have constantly people trying to tear
you down, it's gonna be afucking rough time.
Oh god, yeah, it's hard, youknow.
And and even still, um, justgetting into the fitness space
on tiktok and those first fewposts right where you're really
trying to find your footing, andpeople like man, those guys,
those guys fucking cringy, youknow, or the people in your life
that know you personally, whowatch your videos, will poke fun
, right, and they're like you'renot, you're not that guy,
you're not that important.
Why do you think people shouldlisten to you?

(48:58):
And and that stuff can weigh onyou, you know, but the thing is
having that, that supportsystem in the background.
You don't just have to havethose external voices that are
telling you you suck, you gotthe internal one as well.
You know, in my most recent,one of my most recent videos, I
said that you know, hesitationor insecurities can be a

(49:21):
catalyst for change or forhesitation.
Right, and what I meant by thatis poking at somebody's
insecurities can motivate them.
It can be a fantasticmotivation.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
I was just going to say like it's great to have
motivation behind you, but alsoyou can use hate for fuel.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
You really can yeah?
I mean, it worked for me.
I got divorced.
Now look at me.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
I've been divorced as well.
This is my wife now.
You know we were both, we wereand went through a divorce.
And then you know, I startedsocial media and oh, I've gotten
so much hate.
People fucking hate my guts andI love it so much.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
I rock a soul patch just because people hate it and
the hate fuels me, I enjoy ityeah, my uh, I uh, I don't know
I, I promised myself I was nevergonna get married again.
You know, uh, I was like it'sgonna take a mythical creature,
man, um, and then, and then I Imatched on a dating website with

(50:22):
a lesbian because she waslooking for a workout partner
and I was.
I was not, um, and it workedout and she's, she's the best
thing that's ever happened to me.
Um, so that's why, like, I get,I get a lot of comments
obviously on the videos aboutthe physique, right, and uh,

(50:43):
she's, she's very supportive ofthat.
She likes having something shecan dangle in front of people,
like look what I have.
But no, when I say that you know, my journey through fitness was
rough, but I think it wasnecessary, I think that all of
those nights, or those momentsalone, were like it's negative

(51:04):
talk and it's it's detrimental.
And I'm doing the hours ofcardio to pay for the binge that
I had, you know, uh, I thinkthat those were necessary
because the the fractures thatthat caused and who I was built,
who I am, uh, and now, you know, going from a place of learning
from, that I can now teach from, and so that's that's what I'm

(51:29):
trying to do with social mediaand I, I fucking love it because
I've had so many awesomecreators reach out.
I've had so many awesome justmessages.
My message request box is fullon Instagram and Tik TOK, um,
and I try to get to them.
I really do, but I'm so busyand it's like, hey man, I want

(51:50):
you to know, like one guy he's a, he's a veteran told me that,
uh, he had gotten out of thearmy and then he had moved, uh,
to be closer to some of hisfriends, but he still felt alone
.
And uh, he, he wanted me toknow that my videos are making
some people laugh, but they'rekeeping some people alive.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
And I fucking cried when I read that, um, and so,
like that stuff hits you in thechest and that absolutely people
like send you messages likeyou're the first person that has
told me like it's okay for this, like it's okay to do this,
like I've always been told thisand you know, I'm just like I'm
I'm happy for them, but I'm alsoso sad that this is like a

(52:26):
video like that's the first timethat you were told this is OK.
Isn't on TikTok, that's?

Speaker 3 (52:30):
why at the end of every one of my videos now, I
try to have something right,something that resonates with me
, that I can give to otherpeople, and sometimes it comes
off as a little heavy handed andsometimes I feel a little weird
standing in my kitchen giving amotivational speech to myself.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
If you're not feeling a little weird on social media,
you're not doing it rightthough.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
But, I fair, I think I know that it's going to land
with somebody right, right,exactly, and that's what matters
.
I have a, I have a very closefriend of mine who I hadn't
spoken to in probably six yearsof military, so I can say close
friend, but close friend removed.
And so he reached out to me andhis his name is dakota, and we

(53:11):
served together and he was veryheavy, I was very heavy, we were
the fat guys, right, and so, um, he, he moved up north and I
hadn't heard from him in years.
But through me making a, uh,fitness tiktok or a fitness
instagram page at the time, uh,which was made on a very weird
date, um, I ended up, um, I gota message from him years after I

(53:36):
made that page and he was likehey man, I want you to know that
I've lost 85 pounds and it'sbecause you posted this and you
started making your meal prepsand I started making them, and
so this guy was shadowing me fora year and a half, two years,
and I, I had no idea, right, andso that that right there kept

(53:56):
me going, right, and so I, Istill got a lot of hate, right,
I still got a lot of people likehey man, why are you posting
this stuff?
You, you seem like you're goingto get shit for it.
You need to stop.
And uh and I, I made thedecision very quickly that if I
stopped because of the thepeople who wanted me to, that

(54:19):
they were going to win.
Fuck that.
Um, I mean that's.
That's the bottom line.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Those that can't build themselves up, tear others
down, Like that's the bottomline.
Those that can't buildthemselves up, tear others down.
That's what they do.
I'm like, hey, that's fine Ifyou want to make your life about
that awesome.
I don't really give a shit.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
And the people who made fun of me early on, the
people who were like hey, you'rejust a fat guy, why are you
going to the gym?
Hey, why are you posting thisstuff?
You don't know what you'retalking about.
Those those people, veryquickly and very recently, have
reached out and asked for adviceand and it's it's those moments
where I really find out whatI'm made of, because there is a

(54:58):
moment where I'm like you knowwhat, mother, absolutely,
because, because everybody has aplace in fitness, absolutely
I'll help.
Um, and it's it's a humblingexperience to to know that I've
proven to myself that I can doit and that I'm that guy and
that I wasn't wrong.
You know, I wasn't wrong aboutwho I was.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
I mean absolutely.
I mean we all get that when youstart social media, like I was
like man, I'm posting some stuff.
This is just.
This is weird, I don't know.
Like people it's probably notgoing to land at all, but fuck
it, I'll just throw it out there.
And the success I've had onsocial media like far beyond
anything I would ever expect.
But like I was just like I'mjust going to do my thing and
fucking enjoy it like it's my,my wife is currently in college

(55:45):
for, uh, social media marketing,for sports specifically.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
Um, her, her dream job is to work with the yankees,
uh, but she's a huge derrickjeter fan, um.
But so whenever I got tractionon that first video that you
stitched, um, she was like, ohmy god, this is gonna blow up.
And she was like, oh my God,this is going to blow up.
And I was like, no, it's not,it's not, it's not a huge.
She was looking at theanalytics.
She's like it's going to blowup.

(56:10):
And then, I'm not going to lie,whenever you saved those videos
about the pizza, I fangirledfirst of all, and then I fucking
panicked because I was like Ihope he knows that the first
video is satire, right, thechicken video.
I was like I hope heunderstands that.
So I sent you a message.
It's like hey, the chickenthing's a satire thing.
Um, I was like, fuck, I hope hesees that.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
If, if, if Liam knows anything it's satire.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
So I was working at a baseball game.
As an EMT for my firedepartment, I was working at an
event and I actually gotrecognized twice.
Two kids separately ran up tome and one was like are you
Scotty K Fitness?
I was like, yes.
He's like, what are you?
What are you doing?
The other one came up and justlats, spread it at me, which was
fucking awesome, that's great.

(57:03):
But I didn't understand what wasgoing on.
And it's because you hadstitched those videos and I
didn't have service on my phonebecause I was at a baseball game
, you know.
And so my wife was like, hey,she was like texting me and I
hadn't gotten my phone back upon the network yet.
And so it was really funnybecause the medic I was working

(57:24):
with was also a bodybuilder and,uh, she was sitting in the
designated area we were supposedto be in and she saw this
happen back to back Right, andso I had walked over there and
she's like what the fuck wasthat?
And I was like I was like, uh,I, I honestly I don't know, let
me find out.
And so that's when I found outyou'd stitch my videos and then
it wasn't loading.

(57:45):
Oh dude, the amount of like pitin my stomach.
I was like, no, but it workedout.
Yeah, I was.
I was grinning ear to ear whenthat happened and since then
I've had so many really awesomecreators like follow me and
reach out and like offer adviceand offer, you know, their

(58:05):
support to the channel and stuff.
And uh, I, I again, kylie, mywife.
She was like hey, you'reprobably going to clear a
hundred K this week.
And I'm like that's never goingto happen.
That's not going to happen.
And she's, it happened.
And she was like hey, you'regoing to hit 150 before you.
And I was like no, now we're at190 and I'm about to shit my

(58:27):
pants.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Listen, I could.
I've been, you know, I don'tknow like I spent like two years
or something.
I've been kind of just messingaround with social media just
trying to figure out, like youknow as much as I can.
I still don't know.
One fully understands that youknow.
You just kind of throw shit outthere, but you know, trying to
figure out what works.
And I mean I'll tell you rightfrom the start.
I saw your video.
I was like, oh no, that's goingto work, that's 100 percent

(58:52):
going to work.
There's no, there's no ifs,ands or buts about it.
It's, it's weird, it's outthere.
It's people want it's yellingencouragement.
Yelling encouragement helps alot, because people kind of I
don't know if I want to say theywant to get yelled at, but
they've been yelled at in anegative way for so long.
Getting yelled at in a positiveway is kind of this just

(59:14):
reverse, bizarro world thingthat is enjoyable.
And so when you just.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Is that an American thing?

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Yeah, I'm tempted to say yes.
And so a lot of these fitnesspeople are just kind of like
dicks, like a lot of people inthe fitness industry are just
kind of assholes, and so youknow to have someone who's
actually you know is is ispromoting positivity and and try
and and also being weird andwacky and like fun, like, like

(59:42):
it's, it's, it's a hundredpercent.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
I wanted to have.
I wanted to have the contrastof character as well, right?
So, like this serious mustacheguy who's yelling about calories
and myths and you know, payattention, and the knife and the
knife and lands well with themilitary.
Uh, you know a portion of Tik,tok and um, and so that brings

(01:00:07):
people in and I try to time thepay attention to about the time
that people try to scroll, andso you get this stark contrast
of the mustache man.
Right, the fucking.
I'm mad about something, butthen then it cuts to me being
absolutely ridiculous, which ishow I am most of the time.
Right, if you watch the uh, mywife posts the behind the scenes

(01:00:30):
footage.
I was watching some of that.
Yeah, uh, that's how I amconstantly in the kitchen.
I am ridiculous.
And so the uh, the jumping fromcut to cut and being on top of
the fridge and being on top ofthe counters and stuff, that
stuff that I do sometimes, um,but, it's just adding into that.

(01:00:51):
So you get that contrast whereit's like man, this guy's really
what the fuck is going on and,um, it's, it's what you were
talking about.
Is that subverting theexpectation?
Um, I'm getting yelled at, butthe guy's being nice to me and
there's also this weird shitgoing on.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
It's entertaining, that's.
I mean this, this is socialmedia.
I see a lot of people I'm like,hey, your information is great,
but it's a little slow, it's alittle stale.
It's a little like people arejust they're going to keep going
, like you can give goodinformation.
Good information andentertaining information are not
the same thing.
And it's tough to kind of walkthat line and I still like try

(01:01:27):
and figure that out, like I wantto do something.
That's funny.
But also people walk away withsomething like oh, I didn't know
that and that will help megoing forward.
And how did that's?
It's tough.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
People.
People don't want to learn,they want to be entertained, and
so, if you can, mix the two,you have to mix it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Like you know, there's this you look at, like
the.
So, like you know, john Green,like oh yeah.
What's their what's their showcalled?
I show there's like size, sotangents, that's like their
podcast and they have a bunch ofother stuff.
I forget the name of it, butlike it's entertaining and it's
fun and that's where people, Ithink, learn the most.

(01:02:03):
And finding that area is isfucking tough.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
I think I found it again it wasn't an idea that I
had where I was like I'm gonnago yell at my camera, I.
I was like I'm gonna make achicken crust pizza, right,
right.
And I'm going to do somethingsatirical where I'm going to say
, as a skinny guy, right, andI've posted on my, my, my page
before about my weight loss,transformation, all these things

(01:02:32):
, uh, I'm going to post that.
You know I want pizza but Idon't want to get fat, and that
is going to catch some attention, right, right.
And um, that's going to it's,it's going to cause a divide,
right.
And so then, while I'm makingit, I started getting angry
about all this shit that I heardwhen I started fitness and

(01:02:54):
that's why I was angry in thatvideo and so then that landed
and I was like, oh okay, somaybe maybe now I can, I can do
something else.
Uh, that's, that's kind ofcentric around that and it's
it's, it's evolved into what itis now and I I look forward to
it.
I wake up in in the morning andI'm like that and I put it in

(01:03:16):
my phone, right.
Or I'm going on a jog and Icome up with an opening line to
to something, um, I called arestaurant earlier.
Line to to something I called arestaurant earlier, three, four
restaurants earlier and askedfor a hat for from their
restaurant for a video.
I'm picking one up tomorrowmorning.
I love it.
I get so excited about thisstuff because I get a chance to

(01:03:36):
to be ridiculous and be myselfand then take that and then add
it to the fitness.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
And I will tell you that, right, there is what it is
.
It's just like throwingyourself out there and just
being honest with with who youare, because there's so much
fucking fake shit out there.
The V shreds like we talk aboutso much.
That is a character that thatis put out there and that people
are just like.
I just want somebody who's justlike fucking real and like I'm

(01:04:09):
you know you see me, I make likerecipes all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
I'm like this did not turn out well, like I just I
did what.
And people like I appreciatethat because I tried this shit
and it doesn't work.
And so I made protein barsright and I started the video
with, like we're gonna make lowcalorie, high protein bars,
right, and then they ended upnot being low calorie or high
protein and they were horrible.
And so I was like these, themacros kind of suck on these,
four out of ten.
I would not.
They're still in the freezer.

(01:04:30):
I haven't thrown them away oreaten them.
They, they're still there.
Um, well, now you have food forthe raccoon yeah, food for the
raccoon.
And then, like I'm doing the,the reviews on products, right,
which I don't necessarily enjoydoing, um, but I wanted to try
my hand at it.
And so I got these creatinegummies in the mail, right?
Um, I'm not even going tofeature them on the camera,

(01:04:52):
they're right here, though.
Um.
So I got these creatine gummiesin the mail and I was like all
right, I'm going to make a veryfast video, right, because you
don't have to make them long,and I.
So I wanted to keep it alongwith my original content.
And so I was like hey, someTikTok company sent me some free
shit in the mail.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
And so.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
I threw it, you know, and so let's see if it sucks.
And it sucked, and so I toldeverybody don't buy this.
And then I ended the video,right.
And then I made another videosubsequently.
Immediately it was like hey, Ijust made a product video for
this.
I have to leave it up for threedays or they're gonna charge me
for this product and I'm notpaying for this garbage.
Don't fucking buy it.
And so that that video theregot more views.

(01:05:29):
It was like a 12 second clipthat got more views than the
original product video did.
Oh, I'm sure the really dumbthing is that people still
bought that product from myshowcase and I'm like I
literally told you not to thismorning.
This morning, my wife my wifesent me a screenshot of that
company's showcase and the videothat I made is at the top of

(01:05:53):
their page and they're featuringit.
They haven't watched it, butthey featured it due to how much
money it's made them.
Um, which hurts my heart alittle bit, but it is a stupid
thing, and so, um, that's whatI'm trying to do in my product
videos as well, is be over thetop and genuine and honest, um,
and I would love it for a chanceto work with echo vision, right

(01:06:15):
, because I love their products,and so when I'm sure you'll get
there like.
You'll absolutely be able to getthe option when I worked with
echo vision on their t-shirt.
They sent me a t-shirt and Iwas was like I'm in the middle
of a workout right now, butanother company sent me some
free shit, right.
And so I rip open the bag andI'm like let's check the quality
.
And I'm like biting it and likeall kinds of stuff.

(01:06:36):
And then I threw it on and Igenuinely enjoyed that shirt.
I wore it to the date nightthat night.
Uh, that wife and I had.
It was a great shirt.
It had a bite mark in it, butit was um and so like.
It's just trying to be asgenuine as I can, because the
the consistency of character Ithink comes across to a lot of
people.

(01:06:56):
Um, and that that's my mainthing is is, whenever I was
starting out again comingthrough that gateway into
fitness, you find all the fakepeople, you find all the
contradictory information, likeJeff Cavalier, athleanx.
This is what's killing yourgains.
Eat a dick.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Jeff Cavalier.
I find a lot of his informationis kind of grounded and not
terrible, but since he's gotthis huge following and he has
all these people, he has to paybecause he's got a huge team.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
he has to make these, these videos that are like this
is the worst, blah, blah, blahyou know, like it's clickbaity
stuff, like you know they haveto do in order to get their
views and make their money.
Well, and the thing is, I'm not, I'm not much of a salesman,
right, that's, that's all Idon't know.
I think that's where I'm goingto run into.
My biggest problem with socialmedia is I do not push a product

(01:07:45):
, I do not like sales, and so Ihate it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
I hate it so much.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
Working with a company like Echo Vision, you're
never going to find me likeputting putting a product on
something that spins in themiddle of my camera, Like hey,
guys check this out, it's 20percent off.
I can.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
I can't force myself to say the word use code, liam,
to save temporary, like I.
Just I hate all of that.
I hate even saying it as like ajoke.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
Yeah, I can't, I can't, and like I would make fun
of it, like making like onlives, I would make fun of that,
or I'd be like all right guys,welcome back to the stream.
Like you know, just being thatcharacter, because that person,
person, that character has beenoverplayed and remodeled

(01:08:29):
millions of times and so that'swhy, when someone comes along
and they're like this product isshit, people like I like you
because you're honest, it landedwith a lot of people and so I
that's who I want to be, and soI get like on average right now
it's like dozens or maybe ahundred like product, like
showcase, where it's like hey,try this bra.
Like, did you actually all sortsof shit, yeah, and so like, but

(01:08:53):
sometimes I'll come across onewhere I'm like I might use that,
but I don't need it, so I'm notgoing to get that product and
then try to tell people to buythat shit.
Um, so like I, I I grabbed afood scale off of the Tik TOK
shop, right, and that came inthe mail and I tried to use it
for, uh, making lunch one dayand it was ass, like it sucked.

(01:09:15):
Um, and it was uh it, itweighed out my chicken at like
7.8 grams or something to thatpoint, or ounces.
And um, then I I put it on myhandy dandy food scale that I've
used for years, and that onewas like, uh, no, it's actually
6.9.
And I was like, okay, well,that's never steered me wrong,

(01:09:38):
fuck this thing.
And so, uh, I took it out of myshowcase and I told, I told
everybody, don buy this product.
And so that's what I want to doif I do any type of showcase
stuff.
I can't be a salesman, but Iknow that companies like Echo,
vision or like Rise or all theseother companies, they need you
to perform at a specificmonetary level, because

(01:09:58):
obviously it's a business, right, why wouldn't they need that?
But I'm not.
I don't think I'm going to dothat.
I don't think that that'ssomething that's in my
repertoire.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
No, it's okay, French word.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
It's okay, We'll send you some shirts to fight
through.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
Oh yeah, man Social media is just a crazy place.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
It's been really cool too.
You know, know, I've gotten,like I said, I've got some
really cool, cool traction, andbeing able to speak with some of
my favorite creators, like youguys, is absolutely insane
Because, like I said, like youguys were part of the trajectory
for me, right, and yourauthenticity fed into my

(01:10:44):
authenticity, right and I thinkthat's the goal as a creator is
just be like yeah, we just keepgoing over the same thing,
beating a dead horse.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
But, like man, I'm just gonna be real with you and
fuck it like, if you like it,awesome, if not, that's totally
cool.
Have a good day, peace out.
Yes, I'm promoting fucking seedoils and red 40.
Have a good one, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
That's why I started.
I started linking some of theresearch in my bio for the
fitness myths that I threw out.
Right, because you get the, youget the liver kings.
They're like.
Actually your body runs onlipids, uh, and fats and
triglycerides.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
Okay, all right, buddy um yeah and you're gonna
get a lot of that going forward.
So I think you know eithereither ignore it or use it for
more content.
That is the way don't like.
What I found is like spending abunch of time, my own time,
arguing these people.
Fuck that.
I'm not gonna do that, but Iwill take their uh comment and
read it for another video.
Hey, you're gonna give me freecontent and you're gonna, you
know, boost the algorithm likethat's fucking phenomenal.

(01:11:48):
Thanks, bud.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
Please keep watching and hating yeah, that's awesome,
uh, and we, so we also mademerch, which was cool, right,
the country calories merch andand I got a little uh, I got a
little uh, vault boy with amustache, right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
And the hat that I wear.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
And that's done really well.
I had somebody buy a 5X shirtwhich tells me that somebody
started their fucking journey.
And I was like yes, dude, Ilove that.
I mean, I'm smiling morebecause of these things than I
have in a long time and I thinkthat that's where I'm at and I'm
I'm elated is the best way.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
I can create that place of positivity and just
fuck and enjoy it.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
I think the only divisive thing I've done is the
uh, that first video with thecupcake, right?
Uh, you know happy pride monthand the whole thing in my mouth,
oh that.
The.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
you know happy pride month and the whole thing in my
mouth, oh, that made people madthat'll do it that I've built up
enough of a following whereit's pretty much just support
and I can like do shit like that, but like when you're where
you're at where you're, you knowyou've got a good.
Your following's growing, butstill early on enough that
you're gonna get a lot offucking hate for that sort of
shit.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
I haven't done anything like that since right,
because I want the algorithm tocontinue, but I do support LGBTQ
plus communities and the transcommunities and all these things
In that video.
I posted it and it startedgaining traction and it started
going and going and going andthen I found myself for hours in

(01:13:25):
the comment sections.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
And not arguing with anybody, because I, god knows I
don't have time for that I wasjust deleting the hate messages
that made it through the filter,and so because if somebody went
into that comment section andthey felt excluded in that
moment and not defended, I wouldhave felt horrible, and so I

(01:13:47):
spent hours until all of themwere gone and I didn't get
anymore.
I was awake for way too longthat night and um, and so then,
once they were all gone, dude,that video took off and I gained
a client from that.
That that, uh, I've got.
I've got an LGBTQ plus clientwho, who reached out to me

(01:14:10):
because she felt includedbecause of that video and and so
that made it worth it for meand uh, so, more than often, you
know, I didn't delete all ofthem.
If there was one guy that waslike, uh, you lost me at the end
there there, or you lost mewith the have, I would just send
a bunch of rainbows.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
Uh, oh, yeah, that's what I send kissy faces and
rainbows typically but what Iwill do.
What I found is I just say,like before the video ends oh,
if you're gonna say somethingabout this, get fucked.
And then if somebody commentsthat I just write get fucked.
And people like I can't believeyou took this to the comment
section and they're just likeyou know, they just get flamed
so and I'm like I enjoy this.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
This is fun, fuck this I just got tired of dealing
with the comments all together,so I just got the flag and it's
just a blatant statement rightthere in every video so I, uh, I
actually did one of thosethings that you just talked
about where it was like setting,setting the.

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
Uh, the expectation for the comment section was the
chemicals, oh yeah I includedthat.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
Oh don't worry, I included that in my video that I
will be posting on I, I, I.
I have to just start off withthat, because I know you're
gonna say some bullshit about Idon't know a food dye of, of
artificial sweetener or whatever.
It is like I got a bunch ofgood con, good hate comments
from one video where I was justlike, hey, hey, mountain Dew,
code Red's cool, and people likeI can't believe you're
promoting Mountain Dew.

(01:15:28):
Oh, my God, all the dyes andthis.
I was like, oh, thank you, I'lltake that one, I'll take this
one, I'll take all these.
It's great.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
Yeah, yeah, I did realize that when I started
talking about mac, diabetes orceliac or things like that, and
so in my, in those videos whereI'm talking about those things,
I try to remember to end thosevideos with hey, medical
exemptions apply, right, rightthat's good, um, my, I have a

(01:15:55):
fitness myths three that I havewritten out that I need to film,
but the the second video ofFitness Myths I ended with it's
not that complicated.
You're not special, your body'snot different.
Medical exemptions apply.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
And so.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
I had a lot of comments out of that, when there
was like thank you for sayingmedical exemptions apply, or
thank you for telling me thatI'm not special because my body
still works under thermodynamicsExactly, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
And it's tough to walk that line where you talk to
people where you're like yes,absolutely like these medical
conditions, insulin resistance,all of these things can make
weight loss so much moredifficult, but at the end of the
day, it is still, you know,energy balance if you burn more
energy, you're gonna your bodyhas to lose fat or you'll die
like.
Those are the two options yourbody burns fat or you die.
These are the two options yourbody burns fat or you die these

(01:16:45):
are the two options it's goingto take.

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
I I'm I'm trying so hard to come up with a video
concept that's not incrediblylong or incredibly wordy, that
explains why carbohydrates arerequired for adenosine,
triphosphate, right, um and, andwhy that has to happen in the
Krebs cycle with oxygen, and whythese things are needed.
But I can't figure out how todo it without sounding like a

(01:17:09):
Hank Green video without theproduct, without the production
value behind me.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
But I will tell you that's that's a tough thing,
though I will tell you that'sgoing to be difficult because I
find on social media the morespecific you get, the less views
it'll generally get, becauseyou know people, the more
general a lot of my videos arevery general, just because it
reaches a larger audience.
If I go into, like here'severything about iron, it's not
gonna really hit very well, youknow.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
yeah and there's there's there's something to be
said about it, like if it'ssomething that is a marketable
product.
I've seen a lot of guys gothrough magnesium, uh, l-3 or
whatever and that's great, butthat's not something that I'm
gonna do.
I want that broadgeneralization of like, hey,
this applies to everybody, butit is very specific information
that's hard to push.
That's why like I think I thinkthe fallout thing is working

(01:17:55):
really well for me becausethere's a ton of people that
fucking love fallout and I'vegot look, hey, that t-shirt from
the crumble cookie video is aone-of-a-kind t-shirt.
You will not find that anywhereelse.
That is a one for one, and so II am happy to say that I've
bought more fallout shit that isgoing to be featured in videos

(01:18:16):
soon.
Um, I'm working with avideographer here locally to
actually do like a uh, an actuallike fallout esque fault vibe
thing Nice.
I've got so many ideas, man Um,that I'm I'm really excited
about, and a lot of them arefood based.
If you told me, like two yearsago, I was going to gain any

(01:18:37):
type of popularity on socialmedia because of cooking, I'd
have laughed at you.
Um cause, when the wife and Igot together, I was eating like
boiled chicken and broccoli andsalt and pepper on everything
but um you know you use salt andpepper, yeah, yeah.
Well now I mean, that's why, ina lot of my videos as well, when
I'm cooking, I'm like seasonyour fucking food.

(01:18:57):
Um like, one of my rules formyself is, if it takes, if it
only takes one trip to take myseasonings back to the pantry, I
fucking did it wrong.
I like, so like, and you know,good food doesn't have to be
boring, doesn't have to beexpensive.
That's something that I reallyloved about your channel early
on was like oh, I've got to buyall this organic, you know the

(01:19:21):
grass.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
I don't care, I'm just going to eat whatever's
cheap you know, the grass bedfaster raise bullshit, yes, man.

Speaker 3 (01:19:25):
I don't care, I'm just gonna eat whatever's cheap
that's exactly it, and sosomebody on my live a couple of
nights ago asked for a cheapman's protein haul, and I'm like
, yes, I wrote that down on mymirror in the garage.
I'm gonna do that video.
I'm gonna run into a dollartree or a dollar general, I'm
gonna find some stuff that isgonna cost 25 cents to make a
meal for a family.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
Because I get the comments like it would be
cheaper at Walmart, it would becheaper if you got it here and
you're like, listen, fucker, I'mtrying to help out.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
You don't have to be a dick about it.
Yeah, I have found myself ingoing grocery shopping much more
recently, which has beenawesome.
So, yeah, man, that's.
That's kind of I'm sorry to gooff on a tangent, but uh, that's
the stuff that's the podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
In a nutshell, that's literally just our podcast is
just chatting about fuckingnonsense and whatever upsets us
or makes us feel better okay.

Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
Well then, let me get this out.
I went to GNC to pick up someprotein for a recipe to bake
with last week and there's somedoucher at the counter, right,
and I walk in.
He's like what's up, boss?
I'm like, okay, he's one ofthose guys.
And so I'm walking through theprotein bars because Barebell

(01:20:44):
has some new protein bars inthere and I don't like going to
GNC because I always try toupcharge you.
But again, I'm not a salesman,I don't like salesmen.
So I'm walking towards theprotein bars and I overhear him
talking to a woman at thecounter and she is very clearly
a soccer mom.
She's wearing athletic gear andshe's wanting to get healthier.
She's like how do I lose weight?

(01:21:05):
And he goes oh, do you likewater?
I'm like what the fuck did youjust say?
And he was like okay.
So if you take a lemon, okay,and you squeeze it into the
water, okay, and you drink thatall day I'm talking all day
You're going to blast 12 poundsoff your body.
Do you like cucumber added inthere for flavor?

(01:21:25):
The fuck did you just say.
And I wanted to come across thecounter and knock him upside
his head, but I was in uh, myworking form, so I so I couldn't
do that.
Um, and then I wanted to followthis lady outside and shake her
like no, but he followed heroutside.
So I couldn't do that eitherand I was like it broke my heart
because I was like this lady isgonna go drink a bunch of

(01:21:45):
unsweetened lemonade cucumberwater and then piss a whole
bunch and then wonder why she'snot losing weight and then when
she comes back, he's gonnaupsell her on creatine for women
.
Yep, oh wait until I get myhands on that.
My wife wants me to do aproduct review on creatine for
women.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
That's so stupid.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
It's so stupid.
But then the guy comes back inand he's like what are you
looking for, boss?
And I was like I got it, man.
And he walks up and he's likeOK, and he walked off.
So I had a very Ron Swansonmoment in a Home Depot.
I was very, very proud of that.
But yeah, that that.

(01:22:24):
I was like how can I make thatinto a video?
But I feel like it needs to bekind of centric to what I'm
doing.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
I think a lot of times these things.
They might actually work,because maybe someone is
drinking calories and they swapthat out, you know, for like
water, and then they startlosing weight and like, oh, it's
the lemon water that workedthis whole time.

Speaker 3 (01:22:42):
And you're just like, oh fuck yeah, if somebody could
just explain in a much, in amuch finer detail that, hey,
it's not the lemon water, it'sthe fact that you didn't.
You didn't slam a 12 pack of DrPepper today.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
Instead of that big juice, you had some water.

Speaker 3 (01:22:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And so whenever I get a chanceto to talk to people about this,
I end up going on these rants.
Like in the army, I taught alot of classes.
I would teach like landnavigation, I would teach like
tactical combat, casualty care,like life-saving care, and then
I would turn around like I'd bein the middle of that class,

(01:23:17):
like all right, so if you get agunshot wound to your arm, and
this is what we're going to doand like, three hours later I'm
like and that's why we count ourcalories, because it's
important like, and so I would,I'd go down these rabbit.
It was always land back here.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
Um, because so many people are ignorant to this
stuff and it was also like thesixth reference to shooting this
episode.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
You.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
Americans.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
Yes, well, also, we got a guy that was the military
and then police and thensecurity, and then that's fair.

Speaker 1 (01:23:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
It was.
It was very, very middle middleof my life for a long time.
When I got on the firedepartment, they were like you
spent your entire life, uh in abadge and uh in a gun belt, why
fire?
And I was like, uh, solidquestion.
Uh, maybe I'm tired of doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
Um, yeah, no, so I'm gonna do social media instead
and lie on the floor.
It'll work, don't worry.
Trust me, it'll work.

Speaker 3 (01:24:11):
It'll work, trust, um , but no, doing both has been
been crazy, um.
And then I'm trying to get youknow some, some content filmed
while I'm doing this stuff,which is why I did that Monday
video again, like, hey, you cando fitness, you can do this the
right way, and it's reallyboring and you have to fit it
into your life.
What I tell a lot of my clientsis not to make your life

(01:24:32):
revolve around fitness, butfitness fit into your life,
right, exactly.
And so I, I, I enjoy runningbecause it's something that I
was never good at and now I'mkind of good at it, and so, on
my lunch breaks, I like to go ona run, or or I walk to help
with digestion, or whatever, andso doing that is good for my

(01:24:54):
mental health, but I'm notsprinting, I'm just getting in a
couple of miles, and so, uh,you know, I try to, I try to
showcase that as well, um,through through those types of
videos.
And then, of course, like I'mgoing to coach and I'm cleaning
up the gym and I'm making mymeal for the next day, and God,
it's boring, it takes monotony,it really does.

(01:25:18):
Alright, you guys are going tohave to just give me a second
here.
I'm about to piss my pants.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
We'll finish that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
I'm keeping that in.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
It's funny.

Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
If you guys ever need somebody to fucking ramble, I'm
your guy.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
That's why our episode I'm'm here, that's why
our episodes are already prettylong now you leave him in a room
.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
It'll just go on forever let's talk about
probably shit that pisses us offoh, yeah, I get I get riled up
man and like, uh, it's, it'sreally common, uh, in like the
fire department as well.
As you get these guys that arelike in their early 40s, that
are like I want to get back towhat I was high school, and they
do.
They do the restrictive, likecalorie count, like not

(01:26:03):
restricting calories, but theyrestrict meals and they restrict
points right, like, oh, I canhave, I can have, one piece of
chocolate and that's four points.
What the fuck are you talking?

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
oh yeah.
No, that's like Weight Watchersstuff.
I think like Weight Watchersstuff.
I think Like Weight Watchers,they basically replace calories
with points.
People ask me at WeightWatchers I'm like, if you don't
like calories and you likepoints instead, hey, that's the
same shit.
It's the same shit.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
It's just extra steps , it's extra math and I'm bad at
math.
I have a calculator on my phonefor weights.
I can't do math in the gym.
It's called plate calculator.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
uh legit, it's got pictures of the weights 45, so I
just put it on there, that's um, I don't track anything, I just
go in there like I lift, I makesure I push myself hard enough
so that you know maybe one repand reserve, maybe zero, and
then just keep just fuckingrinse or beat that shit.

Speaker 3 (01:26:56):
Yeah, I've.
I've been on the same split forfour years now and that's
something else that I tell a lotof people is like hey, if you
find something that works, youknow, changing your exercise
selection all of the time is ahorrible idea, you know uh.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
I've been on the same split.
You got to confuse the muscle.
You gotta confuse the muscle.

Speaker 3 (01:27:15):
Yeah, okay, I'll go to do squats and then I'll do
fucking.
I'll curl in the squat rackinstead.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
Confuse the muscle and piss off the rest of the gym
.
That's how you do it, right,right.

Speaker 3 (01:27:27):
No, I've been on a four-day split for almost four
years now.
It gives me adequate rest.
I push myself really hard yearsnow.

Speaker 2 (01:27:38):
Um, it gives me adequate rest.
I push myself really hard.
So, um, and again, it's boring.
You just find the boring shitthat works.
I'm like, I do like push, pulllegs, and I do the same things,
like over and over, and I don'tgo crazy and it's simple,
fucking one of my favorite.

Speaker 3 (01:27:47):
One of my favorite quotes is uh 90 of success is
doing the obvious thing for anextraordinary amount of time
yeah, yeah, I 100, I 100, agreewith that there you go, yeah
yeah thanks for the uh.
Thanks for the rating, by theway, on the video you did of my
mustache and my split I was likehow can I rate, how can I like?

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
because I was like the pizza is like that's fine,
but like how can I rate othershit?
That's stupid and makes peopleyou know whenever.

Speaker 3 (01:28:18):
I started making the videos I was like what am I good
at that I can like not.
A lot of other people are likeOK, now I'm kind of good at
cooking and I'm really good atcounting calories and
macronutrients and I am good atyelling and I can do the splits
in jeans.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
I found jeans that can withstand the splits so
you're exceptionally good atgrowing a mustache the mustache
is a relatively new feature aswell.

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
whenever I decided to get into oh yeah, I didn't
always have a mustache it's beenlike maybe a year now.
But um the, I had a full beardwhen I was a contractor in
Afghanistan, but I'll send you apicture of that.
It's ridiculous.
I look like a different person,but the mustache is new to me
in the past year and now I'llnever be able to get rid of.

(01:29:06):
It is what my neighbor told mehe's like.
It's part of the brand.
Now you got to keep it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
You can cry if you shave it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
Bob Ross did.
Bob Ross did Once he had theperm.
He didn't even Did you know hehated the perm.
He did that because he wasbroke and that was the cheapest
thing and then, after he startedmaking videos, he wanted to get
rid of it.
And they're like no, no, no,that's you.
You have to keep that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:29):
It's kind of like your soul patch.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
It makes people angry , though, so I will always keep
it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:34):
Well, somebody, somebody, in one of my comments
said that the mustache lookslike a silhouette of my
shoulders, and now I can't unseeit.
That's great, that's great,that's great, that's beautiful
that into a video.
Do something like that, Like OK,yeah, I'm going to work in some
of my my imitations, or my my,yeah, my imitations of people

(01:29:59):
into my, my videos, because I doa good trump and I do a good uh
, hank hill, um, oh yeah no, I'mtelling you, the trump one, do
the whole, a whole video liketrump, just like, oh, the whole
video.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
Do the whole, fucking .
I'm telling you it would do.
Well, I get listen, I've beendoing social media for a little
while now.
I, I, I promise you, and youdon't have to make it super,
like political, like this orthat.

Speaker 3 (01:30:18):
No, no, no, it would be just over the top, it would
just be.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
Okay, give us a sample of Trump telling Liam how
to lose weight.

Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
Okay, Some people are saying that you only eat one
time a day.

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
Okay, that's probably true, but I know a lot of fat
people, beautiful fat people.
Um, I'm telling you, do a wholevideo like that, start it off.
With that I mean a millionviews by the end of the day dude
the uh the crumble cookie videohit a million in 25 hours.

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
I was.
I was blown away by that andeverybody kept tagging the trend
twins.
I had to look up who thosepeople were.

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:06):
I have not watched any of their stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
I recognize.
Why were they tagging them?
Did you make a reference, orsomething?

Speaker 3 (01:31:12):
Nope, not even on accident.
Apparently, they are in lovewith crumble cookie and they are
on a cut currently collectively, and so they cannot have
crumble cookie.

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
Okay, that makes sense, that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:31:24):
Yeah, so, um, but yeah, that video did insanely
well.
I got a lot of good ideas outof it.
Um, and then I've got anothervideo, like I said, planned for
this weekend.
One of the content creatorsthat followed me and reached out
and gave me a bunch of advicewas really cool.
I do I do volume eating as well, like the guys at the fire

(01:31:48):
station will take over underbets as to how much I'm going to
eat, because I eat very quicklyand I eat a lot of food.
So I've done a couple of foodchallenges and I'm going to do
one.
I actually have it up on mystory right now on Tik TOK
People are voting on and I'm notcalling it a cheat meal, cause
I don't like that I don't likethat term, not a huge fan, we're

(01:32:09):
.
I, we're calling, have an offplan meal.
Am I having a fuck ton ofMcDonald's or a fuck ton of
cookies?
And everybody so far is voting.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
McDonald's, mcdonald's, I would have thought
cookies.
That's funny.
I guess, yeah, I would haveguessed cookies, though Still,
that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:32:28):
So um, and that was that was one of the
recommendations from this guy.
Uh, that reached out to mebecause he did a similar video.
Um, and he was like do youthink you can beat my time?
I ate this, all this food?
And probably like 15 minutes.
And I was like, oh for fuckingsure, um, my, uh, my, like.
I said my firehouse whenever weone of my first times eating out

(01:32:51):
there.
Uh, cause, firemen, you know,you cook three times a day or
two times a day.
Usually people have theirbreakfast.
They come in, you go to thestore together, you get stuff
for lunch and dinner.
There's like this unwrittenrule in the fire service that
every man has to have a poundand a half worth of food on
their plate, which is wild.
Um, but, and you know, nobodycounts calories.

(01:33:11):
If you do, they're like why areyou being a liberal?
Um, so we made.
Uh, one guy was like hey, let'smake tuna salad sandwiches or
tuna sandwiches, and they'relike great, well, tuna
sandwiches for me do not requirechewing.
Um, so if I take a bite, that'ssliding down the gullet,

(01:33:32):
especially.
Add a little extra mayo, you'regood, solid good, that's the
same thing as peanut butterjelly sandwiches.
If I'm intentionally trying topack on fat, I'm shoving like
five of those.
But I had, uh, the tunasandwiches.
I had like seven or nine umtuna sandwiches and they were
like holy crap.
Now they're trying to get me todo coney's um how many hot dogs

(01:33:55):
can you?

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
I mean the record right now for Joey Chestnut, I
think 70, you could probably.

Speaker 3 (01:34:00):
Oh yeah, rivaled easily.
No, uh, one of my favoritethings to do when I was in
Afghanistan.
I was trying to lose weight.
I would have a cheat meal,right, and I called it a cheat
meal.
Then I had this negativeperspective on food and why I
had to have it.
And, uh, I would.
I would get every Thursday theyhad in the American dining
facility, they had hot wings,and I would just go get a

(01:34:21):
clamshell fucking full of hotwings and, um, I would go back
to the uh, the machine gun toweror the nest we were in and I'd
sit there and I'd prop my phoneup and I would watch my 600
pound life.
Or or I would watch, uh, I'dwatch, uh, eric the electric
right, and I'm like, look, if hecan do it, I can do it.
Or I'd watch my 600 pound lifeand be like, look, I'm not, I'm

(01:34:42):
not that you know, and it wasjust this negative it was just a
negative thing that I did, but,um, but yeah.
So when I was in EMT school, Idid something similar, cause I
was, I was going to EMT schoollike four nights a week and it
was like an hour drive both ways, um, and so I would get home
and I would have 35 hot wingsfour nights a week.

(01:35:03):
Um, because I can do it, I caneat, uh, so I'm going to start
doing some of that content, um,and obviously fitting it into my
calories, to my calories and,uh, you know, not banking my
calories per se, but not doingthat as often as some people do
while they're doing like ultramarathons, right?
So, um, but it's going to befun, it's going to be cool, uh,

(01:35:26):
just to be able to show people,hey, you can, you can eat food
and still have the physique thatyou want.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
You can, you know, or the body, the body type I mean,
I even get that with so manythings I got like I get people
like saying that about potatoesa lot like wait, I can eat
potatoes and lose.
I'm of all things like potatoesare like the least.
Yeah, so that's what I.

Speaker 3 (01:35:50):
I go on a rant every time somebody was like carbs are
bad for you.
I'm like okay, great, let'stalk about this you got
polysaccharides, disaccharides,monosaccharides, right, and so
we go through it and you knowsome people are like, well, I, I
try to have something that'svery protein for it before I go
to the gym.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
Like great, you're gonna have a stomach cramp like
yeah people think protein isfuel and I have to be like well,
okay, so protein is good for,like repairing.
Okay, you know, fat is fuel,but that's gonna be more long
term, whereas carbs are likeright now I need it, so like I'm
gonna have a banana or a ricekrispie treat before I go to the
gym because you have to havethe simple sugars that release

(01:36:23):
quickly, right, that areabsorbed quickly.

Speaker 3 (01:36:25):
I say release, absorbed quickly, right.
And so, like, the way that Itell my clients is like, have a
pop tart, right, or drink somemilk or something, but don't eat
a potato, um, but yeah, and alot of people you know they
don't know that stuff but, um,and I appreciate you guys having

(01:36:45):
me on the podcast, somebodyelse who can rant for a long
time too because normally I'mthe only one doing it so yeah,
fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
So fuck the shred.
You know counting calories, ifyou, and if you, if you like it,
if not, just focus on a whole,fuck a whole nutrient-dense food
, so that generally doesn'ttrick, you know as well.
Just keep it simple and do themand do the mundane shit.
I know it's boring, but kind ofhas to be done yeah, there's no
one one piece you're missing.

Speaker 3 (01:37:13):
There is no one trick that somebody can sell you.
It is the scientifically backedmethod of thermodynamics.
You are not going to change it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
It's not this I was going to say.
It's not this.
What's V Schmitt saying?
Harvard found a loophole, a fatloophole.

Speaker 1 (01:37:32):
I think a fat loss loophole.

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
After the pizza versus the salad video.
That's probably my favorite.
And then the pizza salad videowhere it's like Harvard found
this fat loss loophole andthat's going to revolutionize
everything.
And also we're selling it in abottle.

Speaker 1 (01:37:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:37:49):
Those are my favorite .
Oh shit, Rob, you look like youhad something.

Speaker 1 (01:37:55):
What's that I was going to say?
And America, how about we turndown the guns a little bit?

Speaker 3 (01:38:01):
Oh man.

Speaker 2 (01:38:02):
As a Canadian saying, that you're going to ruffle
feathers.
Let me just shoot that ideadown a little bit.
Scott, I'm looking for you man?

Speaker 3 (01:38:11):
yeah, you guys can find me on TikTok as Scotty K
Fitness, as well as Instagramand on X or Twitter, as it were.
That's a relatively new account.
I don't understand Twitter but,trying to get as much
information out there as I canabout these things to help
people start.
So, scotty K Fitness, on allthose platforms you can also

(01:38:33):
follow my Strava and see.
You know, I get a lot of peopleask uh, how often do you do
cardio, how hard are you runningwhere your heart zones?
Um, so you know, and uh, andwhy?
So follow me there?
Um, if you guys end up on mylink tree, there's a lot of cool
stuff on there forresearch-based uh, you know,
myth busting, as well as a videothat explains as to why V Shred

(01:38:57):
is a giant piece of shit.
So watch that.

Speaker 1 (01:39:02):
And yeah, 50% of this was V Shred sucks which is
perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:39:10):
It's very warranted.
I mean it says a lot that he'slike the biggest name in the
fitness industry.

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
Sadly, sadly.
One of my favorite things aboutthe comment section on some of
my videos is like what doesn'tgo in the bowl?
I'm like you should just notbelong in the bowl.
I did not think that the thecoin phrase that that I was
gonna run into was in the bowleither.

Speaker 2 (01:39:38):
Um, you find, oh, you find just random shit that
works, like.
I remember I said, uh, what wasit?
Like you know, for all thepeople who talk about chemicals,
I was like here's a banana,calm the fuck down.
And people were like I lovethat, I need that on my shirt.
And I was like, really, here'sa banana, calm the fuck down I
used.

Speaker 3 (01:39:55):
I used one of your sayings in the fitness myths
video number three that Ihaven't filmed yet, and it's
about detoxifying.
Right, if you want to detoxifyyour body, try having a fucking
liver and kidneys, try having aliver and kidneys there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:40:14):
Yeah like the fucking detoxes, that's a different,
that's almost kind of adifferent side.
Yeah, Like the fucking all thedetoxes, that's a different.
That's almost kind of adifferent side of social media.
That's not like the fitnessside.
There's a lot of like the detoxis kind of I don't know Like
there's.
Well, there's the parasitedetox, which is kind of maybe a
little bit more specific, butdetoxes are just kind of their
own thing.

Speaker 3 (01:40:30):
I agree, and there's a lot of, there's a lot of stuff
out there that is easy todebunk, but it's not easy to get
people to hear it.
You know that's, that's theshit that I run into, because
you got that and you've got.
You've got the sitting in asauna for hours, or or therapy

(01:40:53):
now is a big thing.

Speaker 2 (01:40:54):
you know, I saw what somebody posted about one of
those, one of those plates,those power plates that just
vibrate.
Oh yeah, that's one of myfavorite things because it
reminds me of, like, the oldtime.
You like shake the fat off.
Those things are just like andI'm like I'd love that idea
because if you know nothingabout like calories or fitness
or anything like the idea likeoh, anything like the idea like
oh, you just shake it and itkind of goes away.

Speaker 3 (01:41:14):
Yeah sure, you get people to believe that yeah,
yeah, uh, one of the things thatI I really have been enjoying
about like, uh, the, the ketodiets, right when I, when I try
to explain to people like, hey,your body has to utilize these
things, and that's when I getreally wordy with the content
where I'm like, or my responseswhere I'm like, hey, so the

(01:41:36):
process of creating glucose fromnon-glucose sources has a
byproduct, that is, an acid that, over time, is very damaging to
your system and it can causeall these problems and you can
become acidotic metabolicallyand will affect your respiratory
system.
It can lead to injury or deathand necrosis of your liver, and
people are like I, like yourfunny words, magic man, and uh,

(01:42:02):
you know it doesn't land withanybody, so you know it turns
into keto.
Bad, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:42:07):
I mean honestly, though I mean you got to keep it
just simple, like the more, themore in depth I go the, the
less views it'll get, the lesstraction it gets.

Speaker 1 (01:42:16):
So, like I, just like you know, keep that shit basic
man all right, I'll put on acaveman outfit and get on a club
and just keto bad.
Honestly, like we're going backto being stupid what about all
these people?

Speaker 2 (01:42:32):
you know you got liver, kings and stuff eating,
bull testicles and shit like youknow, you're just keeping that
shit, they keep it as simple aspossible, so raw even.

Speaker 3 (01:42:42):
Yeah, but man, um, seriously, I, it was a, it was
an immediate bucket list thingto be on this podcast.
I, I, I was gonna tell you guysI've listened to this podcast
since I found it and I've youknow, and I listened.
I have listened to it whilerunning, I have listened to it
while cooking, I have listenedto it while eating or working

(01:43:03):
out, and I've listened on gooddays and bad days, and now
you'll get to listen to it whilelistening to yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:43:11):
I'm just happy that people are listening to it,
because I'm like I don't reallyknow if people listen.
Man, it's it's.

Speaker 3 (01:43:15):
I'm just happy if people are listening to it,
because I'm like I don't reallyknow if people listen.
Oh man, it's been great.
One of your things that yousaid recently in one of your
episodes was if you're worriedabout 10 calories, I got a real
good friend named Ed.
I want you to meet.

Speaker 1 (01:43:28):
And.
I was like fuck yeah, man, okay, okay, and that helped me.

Speaker 3 (01:43:34):
That helped me, because there's times where I
get OCD, I get neurotic aboutthose things.

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
I remember like, oh yeah, my times where I'm like
wait hold on these zero caloriesscreeners don't actually have
zero calories, so let me try andfind out how much they actually
have and count that in Likefuck that shit.

Speaker 3 (01:43:50):
There was.
There was a time where peoplewere like, hey, do you want a
piece of gum?
I'm like it doesn't fit mymacros Five calories.

Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
That's five calories, man, I know how many calories
you're going to stick a gum.
That shit fucking.
That was not, it's not fun.

Speaker 3 (01:44:02):
It's going to throw me off my goals.
Man, five calories, and solistening to you guys' podcast,
it's definitely been somethingthat's helped my success.

Speaker 2 (01:44:10):
So being able to come out here and just I'm telling
you listen, keep doing yourfucking content that you've been
doing it.
Keep it weird.
Keep it strange right off thebat and it'll grow like it's
it's going to.
It's only one way it's going togo?

Speaker 3 (01:44:24):
yeah, I will keep the stash.

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