Tank Tolman From Viking Cosplay to Real-World Fitness

What if your workout felt like a quest instead of a chore? We sit down with creator and coach Tank Tolman to explore how fantasy, play, and small consistent steps can transform the way we approach health. From a childhood stacked with sports to a focused MMA chapter and a later ADHD diagnosis, Tank breaks down why brains like novelty, why light and playful sparring beats bravado, and how cosplay and storytelling can lower the barrier to entry for beginners who’ve never felt welcome in fitness spaces.

We dig into the core idea of a “hard why”—the deeply personal reason that outlasts motivation and outshines scale-only goals. Tank shares how he helps first‑timers start at home with simple bodyweight moves and low-equipment circuits, then layers in gamification: daily quests, streaks, and narrative framing that turns movement into something you want to return to. Along the way, we talk Dragon Ball gravity training, weighted vests, and why going from 30% to 70% healthy is often just a handful of easy swaps and short walks—no extreme protocols required. The summit can wait; most of the view shows up halfway up the mountain.

There’s more: community over isolation, joy over perfection, and the power of embracing “cringe” as visible happiness. Tank’s world blends bladesmiths, prop makers, and makers who need a boost, showing how creativity and kindness can lift an entire ecosystem. If you’ve ever felt shut out by toxic gym culture or burned by all‑or‑nothing plans, this conversation offers a friendlier map: start small, make it fun, and keep showing up. Subscribe, share this with a friend who needs an easier on‑ramp, and leave a review with your “hard why”—we’ll read our favorites on the show.

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Waiting for you to get comfy in your squeaky chair.
Yeah, this is a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 (00:03):
I'm gonna start off with that.
Hey everybody, welcome to thepodcast where I'm currently
complaining about this chairthat is the most uncomfortable
thing I've ever I am at anAirbnb, and it feels like I am I
am sitting on that raft fromTitanic, like a small version of
that, like at the end wherethere's just like driftwood.

SPEAKER_00 (00:21):
The one where Jack wasn't allowed on.

SPEAKER_02 (00:23):
I know.
Did you watch the Mythbustersabout that where they're like,
oh, they totally could have fiton there?
You see that?

SPEAKER_00 (00:28):
I probably have, but it's I remember watching that.

SPEAKER_02 (00:31):
I was like, oh, they should have made that board
smaller in the movie becauseeveryone's like, oh, he totally
could have fit on there.
She's just a bitch who let himdie.
It's like everything.

SPEAKER_03 (00:40):
Rage Rage Baiton in the early.

SPEAKER_02 (00:42):
So they tested, they put two people on there, they
were floating on there, and likethey were like, No, it's the
buoyancy, it's not the size,it's about I don't know, Boyle's
law or whatever.
Like, that's that's fine.

SPEAKER_00 (00:52):
Yeah, I think we've all agreed that Rose is just a
bitch.

SPEAKER_02 (00:54):
That's the moral historian.

SPEAKER_03 (00:56):
Threw that crystal away instead of like selling it
and donating it to the city.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00):
Three hours and 40 minutes long, and like the
entire it just boils down to shejust being a bitch who letting
him die in the cold water.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08):
But today we have on Tank Tolman.
Finally, finally, we got him inhere.
Well, how's it going?

SPEAKER_03 (01:15):
It's going good, quite busy, but it's a life we
chose.
Almost as almost as majestic ofa beard as mine.
Almost.
People keep telling me I need tobraid it, but like for me, this
is the perfect length where Ican maintain it and like not
have to do anything crazy extrato it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:32):
But yeah, and both of you are almost as nice as my
soul patch.
Like just a little ways off.
You're getting there though.
I'll give you a little bitlonger, you'll be fine.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:40):
Yeah, we'll we'll get there.
We'll be on your level someday,Liam.

SPEAKER_02 (01:43):
Oh, milk mustache.
I just made um apples and uh uhcoffee, frozen apples, and blend
it with like cold brew coffee.
It's actually really nice.

SPEAKER_03 (01:53):
Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 (01:54):
Yeah, yeah, I got tagged in this this video a
couple times.
I have to take my shirt offagain.
So, you know, it's like one ofthose ones where he just does it
without shirt.
So I'm like, oh, I have to do itwithout a shirt.
Just threw that on.

SPEAKER_00 (02:03):
Well, yeah, and then that's how it works, right?

SPEAKER_02 (02:05):
Yeah, and then I just threw on my wife's sweater
right now.
It's the comfiest thing ever.
Oh my goodness.
But anyway, Tank, how you doing?

SPEAKER_03 (02:11):
Doing good.
Yeah, we're we're enjoying thefall, crisp weather.
We went to the pumpkin patchyesterday, got a whole bunch of
pumpkins, and fully embraced theseason.

SPEAKER_02 (02:21):
So, Tank, I hear you've worked out like once or
twice in your life.

SPEAKER_03 (02:24):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (02:24):
Is that true?
That is true.
My sources were correct.

SPEAKER_03 (02:28):
Yeah, it's uh been uh quite the constant in my
life, whether it was like as akid, uh so I just recently got
diagnosed with ADHD, and it justkind of like put the puzzle in
or put last puzzle piece in.
Uh like as a kid, I played awhole bunch of sports, and I
think that was like the physicalmanifestation of ADHD.

(02:49):
Like I played lacrosse and trackand field and soccer and
swimming and basketball andfootball, and high school is
like wrestling, rugby, andfootball, and that helped to
keep you.

SPEAKER_00 (03:01):
So your brain was just going along, ooh, fancy
sport.
Ooh, fancy sports, fancy sport.

SPEAKER_03 (03:06):
Of course it did.
Uh definitely helped manage theADHD in a physical form.
And then out of high school, Igot into mixed martial arts.
Like in high school, I've alwaysbeen a bigger kid, big kid, big
guy.
In high school, I was close tolike 300 pounds.
A big football lineman,wrestler, rugby.

SPEAKER_02 (03:24):
Oh, you played line?
What position?
Left guard, right guard?

SPEAKER_03 (03:27):
Uh yeah, right guard, right tackle in the
middle of everything, neverstepped off the field.
Nice tank, you're staying righthere.

SPEAKER_02 (03:37):
Yeah, you that guy over there, you make sure he
stays over there.
That's your job.

SPEAKER_03 (03:41):
Yeah.
And uh, but yeah, then out ofhigh school, uh, actually, my
quarterback got into kickboxingin Muay Thai, and he was like,
Hey, Tank, you should come try.
I'm like, Cool, this is fun.
And then with MMA, it's like themanifestation of ADHD because
you can do striking, you can dograppling, you can do like

(04:02):
jujitsu holds or takedowns,takedown defense, and you're
always learning.
There's always something new.
And I got down to like 205pounds and then started
competing at middleweight at 185pounds, had a fun little streak
of seven and one as an amateurand two and one as a pro.
Then I got married and had kids,and then realized you can't and

(04:24):
then life was over.
Yeah, no, the new adventurebegan.
Yeah, the new adventure began.
Uh, because you can't supportyour family as a beginner
fighter salary.

SPEAKER_00 (04:37):
And typically the wife doesn't like you getting
punched in the head, right?
No, no, like I I actuallythoughts on CTE, good, bad, fun?

SPEAKER_03 (04:46):
Well, of course it's bad.
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 (04:47):
Just chat, I'm just making sure.
We make sure we're on the samepage here.

SPEAKER_03 (04:50):
Definitely cognizant of it um as like in high school
football helmets and jarring andthen getting into MMA.
Like when I go to the gym to dolike martial arts now, if I go
sparring, it's it's light andit's playful.
If someone's trying to take myhead off, I'm like, uh, you can

(05:11):
just go over there.
I'm a big dude, and if I triedto reciprocate that, that
wouldn't be good for either ofus.

SPEAKER_02 (05:17):
Do you find the mental uh side of uh martial
arts helps with like the ADHDand whatnot?
Because I've always found likeI'd like to be high.
And the physical aspect of it isfun, it's like a good workout
and everything, but you know,the mental side of it is just
kind of uh almost it's funny.
You have you get some claritywhile also being while also you
know fighting, which isinteresting but fun at the same
time.

SPEAKER_03 (05:37):
Yeah, that's like with any like martial art, it's
not just like you're going to doa set of 10 reps of bench press,
you can turn your brain offmostly.
Uh no, you're constantlyreacting.
Like if someone's holding padsfor you, you it's like switching
out combinations, it's nevergonna be the same.
You gotta gauge distance andfocus on technique, and yeah, so

(05:58):
it's a really good brain workoutas well as physical.
Like, I think they've donestudies with like Parkinson's
patients just doing boxing andit helps rewire neural pathways,
and so yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 (06:12):
Yeah, because I know you like to have fun with the
exercise as well, right?
Like, I've seen you likeincorporate like your kids into
it or whatever and have somefun.
Like, what's I don't know,what's your stance on like
exercise?
How do you keep it like lightand fun and all that?

SPEAKER_03 (06:24):
Yeah, uh funny story.
So I was like your typical uhpersonal trainer that would like
try and post workouts and likethe hardcore grind mentality,
and then this whole social mediajourney has been a weird way of
me uh knocking down um emotionalbarriers, I would say.

(06:48):
It helped me open up.
Um, so it's like I gotintroduced to a whole community
of nerds that I didn't knowexisted, like I was a closeted
nerd in high school because itwas still kind of that
stigmatized time.

SPEAKER_02 (07:04):
How old are you?
I don't know if you don't know.
35.
Okay.
Yeah.
See, I mean I'm 30, I'm about toturn 34, like a few days.
So we're like basically the sameage there.
I felt like when we were thatage, it was like becoming more
popular.
Like it was getting, you know,it was kind of getting there.
Yeah.
In high school, people werelike, oh, because like, oh,
computers are cool now.
Like they can do things.

(07:24):
We can do it.
We were just getting stuck.

SPEAKER_03 (07:28):
Yeah.
It was right when World ofWarcraft was starting to come,
which broke down a lot.
But yeah, like breaking downthose barriers and kind of like
approaching it more from a funaspect and realizing that this
like our whole community of likefantasy-based nerds, like the
people that want to train tobecome like Aragon or like the

(07:51):
Vikings, they were likeunderserved in our little
fitness space.
Like, if they didn't have accessto like SCA or HEMA or Boo
Hertz, all these like coolhistorical martial arts, they
didn't have kind of an outletfor fitness that kind of meh um
gave them a direction.
So like in the early pandemicdays when everything was shut

(08:13):
down, I was like, this is fun.
I've I like I trained in uh likeCrossFit and MMA and did some
bodybuilding and somepowerlifting and some odd object
object training, and I'm like,we can build fun, uh
approachable exercise for fellownerds that can do it at home

(08:35):
with little to no equipment.
So it's like bodyweight workoutswhere you're like dodging arrows
or doing push-ups or um thattype of thing, or sandbag
workouts, or hammer workoutswhere people could just go get a
sledgehammer and have fun andbutton.

SPEAKER_02 (08:50):
Yeah, because the workouts in the past for nerds
was just like uh hide in locker,get punched in stomach, get used
to that, and then get lunchmoney taken.
That was like the workout,right?

SPEAKER_03 (08:59):
Oh, don't forget the swirly.

SPEAKER_02 (09:00):
Yeah, the swirly.
You just dunk your head in thiswater to get prepared.

SPEAKER_03 (09:04):
Or even like people had the superhero motivation,
like that niche of nerds, andthen like the anime nerds had
like the Dragon Ball Zmotivation to like try and go
that route.
But it was like our that likethe fantasy nerds didn't quite
have a route where they couldapproach fitness in a fun way

(09:25):
and like make it approachable.
So I was like, I can I can dothat, I can do that.

SPEAKER_02 (09:31):
Speaking of the Dragon Ball Z like genre, I
remember I did a video talkingabout like weighted vests, and
uh like weighted vests canactually help people, not just
like you know, in terms of likeuh just straight exercise, but
lose weight, it has to do withlike the receptors in your body
that sense weight, and if youput more weight on you, it can
actually help you like regulateyour appetite in a certain way,

(09:53):
possibly.
Like there's still like ongoingresearch and whatnot.
Uh, so you know, like all youneed is well, I think it was
like 10 or 20 percent of yourbody weight, not like anything
super crazy.
Uh, and everyone was talking, Idid a video on everyone's
talking about oh, that's Gokutraining.

SPEAKER_03 (10:07):
That's Dragon Ball training the gravity training
that they had in like thatsimulator where they make it
like super heavy, like you'retraining them.
That's all we need.

SPEAKER_02 (10:15):
We need Goku, we need Dragon Ball C training.
We're all set.

SPEAKER_03 (10:20):
But yeah, that's that's kind of like my little
journey with this, and then likeas you guys know, it's not as
simple as just giving someone aworkout plan and like say you
just need to cut your calories,like it's just calories in,
calories out.
It's like there is a hugemental, emotional, and social

(10:41):
factor that goes intoencouraging people to um start
their journey and stay on it.
So that's kind of like where Isaw people like Quincy's Tavern
um with his wholesome point ofview content and um like uh
Smoking Barrel Tavern, thesecool like fantasy uh DD pages
where they would give likeemotional uplifting messages,

(11:05):
and I'm like, I can do that, butframe it in a way where I'm like
trying to motivate someone who'strying to get into like the
training grounds and thisfictional Viking shit, but we're
trying to um pick up someone asthey're like trying to doom
scroll or that type of thing.

(11:25):
So it's like by putting on acostume and putting on an
accent, for some reason itreaches people more than just
like if it was just talking faceto face, it kind of removed a
weird barrier for people toreceive motivation or empathy or
care or love or whatever they'relooking for.

SPEAKER_00 (11:46):
It was if this guy can be himself on screen, I can
be myself.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (11:52):
Do you think would you recommend that's where
people start?
Like a costume and a voice, orlike where do they start with
that?
Like start anywhere?

SPEAKER_03 (11:58):
No, I like it's this like I said, this has been a
weird journey.

SPEAKER_00 (12:02):
There's no roadmap to be like first, you have to go
hunt yourself a wolf and thenskin it so that you can make a
nice force.

SPEAKER_02 (12:10):
I'd start with a weighted vest.
That's where I'd start justthrowing it out.

SPEAKER_03 (12:13):
Yeah, but being a like even a content creator,
there's no like roadmap.
Like a lot of us are likepioneering our own kind of way
of doing it, and you kind ofhave to in a way.
And it's weird because like Icould tell someone, and I've
seen people um like try and dowhat I do, and it's like it it

(12:34):
doesn't hit the same.
I don't know why.
Like, it's just like well,that's with any content, right?
I know.

SPEAKER_02 (12:39):
I mean, with any literally anybody, there's
people that lots of differentpeople will try and do it, and
for whatever reason the piecesaren't there or just they're not
in the right order, or whateverit is, it just doesn't connect
with the audience, you know.

SPEAKER_03 (12:49):
And like you can fake it till you make it and
find your own way to do it,which is probably the best way I
could tell someone if they'relike wanting to do it, is yeah,
absolutely copy it, and peoplemight put you on blast for
copying it, but it's like youwon't find what works until you
do.
You have to weed out and justkeep going with it.

SPEAKER_02 (13:11):
And I think a lot of it comes down to just also again
what you're passionate about.
I see a lot of people try andmake content around something
that is maybe popular becausethey'll get them views or
whatever, but they're notpassionate about it, and people
can pick up on that.
So you gotta do something thatyou just really enjoy.
And if you really like gravitytraining or whatever it is, or
training like a Viking, I thinkpeople will sense that and go,
like, hey, that's cool.
And you're gonna get a lot, I'msure you get a lot of hate too.

(13:31):
We all get hate.
Like, not if there's not one ofus on social media that
everyone's like, we all loveyou.
No, you know, there's gotta bepeople that hate you and think
it's weird or cringe or whateverit is.
Like, oh, I like that.

SPEAKER_00 (13:41):
I think out of all the people that I see get hate
though, it it's a lot of tankshaters are the ones that boggle
my mind the most.

SPEAKER_03 (13:49):
Well, like they'll see a random video and they'll
just see like this cost, like uhone of my like I invite people
on the ship, I'll like findpeople doing cool stuff if and
bring them onto my fictionalship.
And um, a lot of those go viral,but then I cultivate the
community by like motivemotivating people to like get on

(14:10):
the ship or like encourage themto better themselves, but
they'll just see the viral clipand just be like, oh, this grown
man is like it's a grown ass mandressing up as a Viking, like
cringe.
Like, but then my favoritecomments or messages I get is
when they're like, I used tohate what you did, and then you

(14:32):
showed up in the middle of thenight when I was doom scrolling,
and then I understood why.
So it's like those are myfavorite comments for all the
hate comments.
Like you'll get one hater, butthen there's like 10 other
people cheering you on, or evenjust like people behind the
scenes that need your contentbut don't comment.
Like I've got DMs from peoplesaying, Hey, I don't like to

(14:56):
interact, but thank you for yourmessage this time.
Thanks for talking me off theledge.
You that type of thing are justlike priceless.

SPEAKER_00 (15:10):
Is the how toxically masculine gym culture can be.
And the fact that you havepeople that are when did that
become a thing?

SPEAKER_02 (15:20):
Is that new?

SPEAKER_00 (15:21):
It's okay, Leon.
It's okay.

SPEAKER_02 (15:22):
I'm new as well.

SPEAKER_00 (15:23):
We know that you're over there in your pink sweat,
pink curly sweater.
It's so cozy.

SPEAKER_02 (15:28):
It's the comfiest goddamn thing I've ever worn.
It feels, I don't know, it feelslike I'm wearing a cloud.
It's so nice.

SPEAKER_00 (15:35):
But like you have all these people, you're getting
people into the gym just becausethey're associating it with
fantasy and anime and all thesethings.
You have these gym bros that arelike making fun of them.
For getting in the frickin' gym.

SPEAKER_03 (15:50):
Yeah.
Yeah.
There a lot of people theyeither forget their
transformation or their journeyonce they feel like they've hit
it or they've like hit theirgoal.

SPEAKER_02 (16:02):
I think they took a specific route and they think
other people should take thatroute.
I think that's like a lot of it,you know.

SPEAKER_03 (16:07):
Yeah, you gotta take the hate myself route.
Yeah, uh, hate myself, gottawake up at 4 a.m.
and do like 75 hard and blahblah blah blah blah.
It's like, no, do 300 ice togawater.
Cozy inconsistent.
Yeah.
Don't do 75 hard, do 365moderately good, and you will

(16:29):
end up way farther than thesetoxic gym bros that just like
preach like hardcore rigidlines.

SPEAKER_02 (16:38):
But kind of like how we were talking about uh with
like the nerds, right?
Or when we were like in highschool or whatever, and it was
like becoming more sociallyacceptable.
I think we're like we're in thatstate now just for fitness,
where you know, oh, is it like90s, 2000s?
Yeah, it was all just like getin there, be a fucking man, do
this shit and get out orwhatever it is.
And now we're starting to getmore people who are like, hey,

(16:58):
try this way of exercising, trythat.
And there's gonna be pushbackwith anything, right?
Like it was like when womenstarted running and everyone's
like, what their fucking uterusis gonna fall out of their body.
They can't run.
That was a real thing, by theway.
I'm not making that up.
I really thought that was gonnahappen.
And so then it's like, you know,there's pushback.
No matter how what it is or howdumb it is, there's gonna be
pushback, and we're in thatstate right now where you kind

(17:19):
of just have to keep pushing.
And like you said, you will findyour group of people who enjoy
your content if if they're outthere, right?
Like more people find that.
You'll find your haters, butyou'll find more people who are
like, yes, I like that.
That's what's gonna get meinterested, dressing up as like
Master Chief from like a man, Iwant a Master Chief outfit so
bad.
Like those things that look likethey cost a lot of money, but
it's so fucking when they dothem right, it's badass as fuck.

SPEAKER_00 (17:41):
If you don't know Master Chief is like, he'll uh
he'll he'll 3D print you one.

SPEAKER_02 (17:45):
Oh, I want a Master.

SPEAKER_03 (17:46):
I know a few that's been a one like really fun side
effect of like either invitingpeople on the ship or I do
another series where I likefetch the treasury for really
cool items, is being able tomake friends with like people
that make really cool stuff ordo really cool things.
So I've got like hopefully thiswon't get banned on platforms,

(18:08):
but I have to show it off.
Banned and my earphones cameout.
Yeah.
Oh well, he can't hear us.
Quick, make fun of him.
Yeah, I should like nerd.
A few a few Christmases ago, Idid a whole fetch of treasury
for this one guy, and then mywife reached out and like got
this like really cool blade?

SPEAKER_00 (18:29):
Yeah, Damascus from something specific.
For those listening, we arelooking at a very, very nice
knife.

SPEAKER_03 (18:37):
Colton Orias or Barbell Blacksmith, you should
check him out.
So hand forged Damascus SteelBlade is insanely sharp, but no,
it's not like from a certainseries or anything, but just
like it's a in my fighter blade,which is intimidating.
So when I go on trips and stuff,my wife puts that but on her

(19:00):
bedside table and for security.
But yeah, it it was a cool sideeffect, is being like being
friends with these people, andum like they get especially the
bladesmiths, they get hit hardby the algorithm because it's a
dangerous thing.
Right, it's promoting adangerous thing like a sword or

(19:20):
a knife.
So sometimes when uh some ofthose friends are getting like
hit hard, they'll be like, HeyTank, I just made this really
cool thing.
Would you mind I'm like put itto a fantasy thing and I'll
react to it and it'll go andit'll just like fetch the
treasury.
Yeah, fetch the treasury, andit'll boost their business,
they'll get a few orders andthey get to keep the lights on,

(19:41):
which has been really cool.

SPEAKER_02 (19:42):
That's really neat.

SPEAKER_03 (19:43):
But yeah, I know a bunch of prop makers that could
probably print you in this.

SPEAKER_02 (19:47):
Oh, I want there's so many things now.
I I want to get into like thecosplay and stuff.
Do you have a favorite like oneyou do?
Is there like a specific do youlike the Viking thing or is
there a different thing?
Like what is it that you can do?
Oh, totally.

SPEAKER_03 (19:58):
I've been I've been niched hard into the the Viking
fantasy.
So I do have like a full set oflike leather armor with like
etched in steel plate that Iwear for like if you weren't
niche into that, what would yoube doing?

SPEAKER_02 (20:12):
If you couldn't do the Viking thing, what would you
be doing?

SPEAKER_03 (20:15):
Uh I really like Star Wars.

SPEAKER_02 (20:17):
Tinkerbell?

SPEAKER_03 (20:18):
Oh, Star Wars.
Star Wars is like another bigone that I really like.
Um if it's outside of like Lordof the Rings or Vikings.
So yeah.
I've got some like coollightsabers and stuff too.

SPEAKER_00 (20:29):
It's so hard to get into cosplay stuff when you have
a beard, because no charactersever have beards.
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (20:34):
I was gonna say, like, you're kind of with that,
you kind of have to go theViking or at least something
similar to the.

SPEAKER_00 (20:40):
Like, I I also was like, you know, it'd be cool to
get into cosplay, but nocharacter has a beard.

SPEAKER_03 (20:47):
And it like puffs out your mask, you'd like trying
to do that.

SPEAKER_02 (20:50):
And that's why I can only do Prince Charming once,
because I'm just so goddamnhandsome.
There's just nothing else I cando.
It's really the worst.

SPEAKER_03 (20:57):
It's it's terrible.

SPEAKER_02 (20:58):
It's a burden, but I wear it.

SPEAKER_03 (21:00):
Yeah.
But no, totally happy with likeI I would I've loved fantasy and
Lord of the Rings and stuff whenI was a kid, like we saw them in
the theater, so it it moldedinto what I wanted anyway.
So, but like I've thought aboutbringing like the tank character
into like Fallout or like StarWars or post-apocalyptic, and
like try and like you know whatwe need to do with it?

SPEAKER_00 (21:22):
We need to do Monster Hunter.

SPEAKER_03 (21:25):
Yeah, I've heard Hunter.
I've heard they swing bighammers in that one, so I get
tagged.

SPEAKER_00 (21:30):
Big hammers, big awesome armor.
Yeah, it's great.
We need to do it.

SPEAKER_02 (21:35):
I have to beard.
But people keep saying it'syeah, people say it's really
cool.
I gotta try that out.

SPEAKER_03 (21:41):
Yeah, uh the list of like video games people say I
should try is too long for thetime that I have to dedicate to
it.

SPEAKER_02 (21:48):
What's the one you really want to get to that
you're like, okay, I really wantto get to this one, but I just
haven't been able to because itcosts too much, or it's like,
you know, it's too difficult, orwhatever it is.

SPEAKER_03 (21:57):
Probably Expedition 33, I think declared game I've
heard is really good.
Um my god, yes.
That's probably the big one,that's like recent.
I have a lot of people tell me Ishould jump back into like World
of Warcraft because it's likecozy gaming, but I don't know if
I can open up that can of wormsagain.
I get that.

SPEAKER_00 (22:16):
I could never do an MMO again.
They they suck my soul.

SPEAKER_03 (22:20):
Yeah, suck your soul and your time.
And like I just launched likeone-on-one coaching, and it was
like, okay, yeah, the the sparetime I thought I had is now gone
for a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 (22:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (22:34):
But it's a good problem to have.

SPEAKER_02 (22:37):
When you're working with people, like so now you're
doing like coaching.
Um, are you finding people justreally receptive receptive to
what you're doing, but don'tknow where to start?
Is that kind of the mainproblem?
Or what are they what are theystruggling with and like you
trying to have to help them outwith?

SPEAKER_03 (22:51):
I would say a lot of the majority of people that have
like uh inquired about signingup are those people that uh it's
they're either their first stepinto fitness or it didn't serve
them before.
So they're looking for adifferent approach, right?
So like either it was toohardcore for them or it demanded

(23:13):
too much of their time or madethem too sore, or they just were
intimidated to go to the gym tobegin with.
Um, those type of like fellownerds that were like intimidated
by it.

SPEAKER_02 (23:24):
So um what do you do with them to like try and get
them past that?
Like, what are the things thatyou're like, well, you know,
maybe try this.

SPEAKER_03 (23:31):
Uh usually starting with an option at home with like
simple bodyweight stuff,depending on especially if
they're overweight or carryingtoo much, and just like you you
want to remove as manyboundaries as you can while
encouraging them to uh startmaking good habits and good um
good choices.

(23:51):
So you want to remove uhespecially like mental and
emotional blocks first, I findare the the biggest things you
have to deal with.

SPEAKER_02 (24:00):
Do you what do you find with them, or do you find
anything, I guess I should ask,that like helps them continue
with the journey?
Because I think like most peoplecan kind of start with it,
right?
Most people see a thing like,okay, I'll try that.
But sticking with it is alwaysthe toughest part.
Like that's what we get that allthe time, right?
Like, I have trouble sticking toit.
Do you find when you're workingwith people there's something

(24:21):
that helps them kind of likestick to it and continue on?

SPEAKER_03 (24:25):
Well, with like with like most things, you have to
have a definitive like why.
If it's just like I want to lose10 pounds because I want to look
really good, that's not a hardwhy.
It's like what does that losing1020 or gaining that 1020 pounds
of muscle, what does that unlockin life's adventures for you?

(24:48):
Like, will that give you theability to play with your kids
or grandkids or go on hikes, orbe like I always wanted to go
paddleboarding or canoeing, butI felt like I would tip over
because I'm too heavy, or justlike I don't have the balance or
coordination, or if someone hasa disability like arthritis,
they never had a route to go uhwith fitness because that's a

(25:13):
pretty big physical barrier forpeople, depending on the
severity of it.
Um, you want like my my wholephilosophy is fitness and health
should unlock life.
So you have to find out right.

SPEAKER_02 (25:26):
Fitness shouldn't be the reason well, I guess it can
be the reason that you exist.
Like some people for them,that's just what it is.
But I think for most people,right, that's not that's that's
not really the way to go.

SPEAKER_03 (25:36):
Yeah, exactly.
So it's it's all about unlockinglife's adventures, like the a
fun quest.
Like, what does the end of thequest reward bring for you?

SPEAKER_00 (25:46):
That please tell me that you give your uh your
clients this little parchmentwith a quest with your little
quest steps.

SPEAKER_03 (25:54):
Yeah, the platform I'm I'm working with has had has
been really awesome too, likebecause they're like we've never
had someone like you.
It's like this quest giver andlike RPG element of like
bringing in fun exercises.

SPEAKER_00 (26:09):
So I'm like, I'm trying to is your photo on the
website you with an exclamationmark above your head?

SPEAKER_03 (26:15):
The quest giver.

SPEAKER_02 (26:16):
That's a good that's a good one.
I like that idea.

SPEAKER_03 (26:19):
Yeah.
Uh but it's like, yeah, I'mtrying to like work with them to
reformat some of the stuff evenwithin their programming to like
think about like world.

SPEAKER_02 (26:27):
You talk about World of Warcraft, right?
Like people would play that forlike 18 hours a day because
there was just those quests youhad to complete.
If you can just get a modicum,you can get just a small
percentage of that and apply itto like real life with you know,
exercising, moving your body,that sort of stuff.
That has a lot of potentialright there.
I think people would get moreaddicted to that, which is maybe

(26:48):
a better thing to get addictedto.

SPEAKER_03 (26:50):
Yeah, yeah.
Like they they have things likehave daily habits, and I'm like,
can we just change like habitsto like daily quests?
And just like that's fun.

SPEAKER_02 (26:59):
Like a small thing, right?
That's a simple, yeah, that's asimple thing.
But like it's a fun thing,right?

SPEAKER_03 (27:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (27:05):
I think that's a really good idea.

SPEAKER_03 (27:06):
I'll get them to do it.
I'll get them to do it.

SPEAKER_02 (27:09):
Like, oh, I remember I think I might have talked
about this before, but there'slike a company that does um
these challenges where like youhave to walk to Mordor or
whatever, right?
Like there's a distance and youhave it on your phone, GPS, and
like you have to walk a certainamount of distance to to get to
like you know, whatever theachievement is for like whatever
movie or video game or like thatyou've traveled that far.

(27:31):
And I think if something's justas simple as that can make it
more fun, like look at fuckingwhat was it, Pokemon Go.
You remember that shit.
Like, people all over the place.
Like, get a small a little bitof that, you know, and you know,
I think you could go real farwith that.

SPEAKER_03 (27:45):
Gamifying it instead of like making it a chore, I
think, is huge.

SPEAKER_00 (27:50):
Yeah, how do we definitely need more
gamification of fitness?
Of life in general.

SPEAKER_02 (27:55):
That yeah, but right, yeah, for in general, but
like fitness has a lot ofpotential in gamifying it,
right?

SPEAKER_03 (28:04):
So that's been like my approach.
Like when I would do like these30 to 60 second like circuit
videos, and that's when I firstsaw like my surge of growth on
social media, was like thepandemic.
I would like pretend I had asword and like hit the camera
and then go right into like uh acircuit workout with like either
a hammer or a single dumbbell,and I would like I would narrate

(28:26):
it in a way like you're doingthese squats, so you have legs
built of oak to stand strong inthe shield wall, and then the
the push-ups would be like youneed a strong chest to be able
to push back on that front line,and I would like kind of narrate
it and make it fun as I'm goingthrough this video.

SPEAKER_02 (28:43):
I think that's a really good idea.
I like that, and like you know,was it fallout?
I remember Scotty Kay Fitnessdoing something recently with
like strength and dexterity andlike all that sort of stuff.
I think that's you could also dosomething like that.
It'd be really fun.
I like it.

SPEAKER_03 (28:57):
Yeah, so now I'm just like trying to like because
I have a I figured out I hadADHD.
So I was like, I have all thesereally cool ideas to like
formulate it, but then likemaking it fun and accessible
that people could like open upan app on their phone and just
have it familiar or yeah, soit's been fun.

SPEAKER_02 (29:17):
Yeah, it's a good challenge, but like it's funny
because your challenge iscreating challenges, which is a
little ironic, but I think it'sfun.

SPEAKER_03 (29:26):
Yeah, so like people come to me to have fun and like
take that first step.
Like, yeah, I can help someonelike a power lifter try and get
like a 500-pound deadlift, butthe majority of these people are
just like fellow nerds that justwant to feel better, and so so
find your hard why.

SPEAKER_02 (29:44):
You can have the so the soft whys are always good,
right?
Like, oh, I want to lose thismuch weight or you know, this or
that.
Like, I think that's always goodto have those, but like find
your hard why and yeah, make ita challenge and have fun with
it.
I think those are probably likethe two things that will help
people at least get further thanthey'd normally do when they.
They try and they're just like,Oh, I just want to be healthy or
whatever, you know, that sort ofthing.

SPEAKER_03 (30:04):
We all know like being healthy is good.
Right.
You just have to like find outwhy.

SPEAKER_00 (30:10):
Why is it?
Finding your hard why is kind oflike building your character
story.
Your back.
If your story is my characterwent on to lose 10 pounds,
that's a shit story.
I mean, yeah, it's a nice, it'sa nice goal, but it doesn't make
for a story.

SPEAKER_02 (30:26):
Yeah, it's no oof.
That's my character I've beenplaying.
This elite intelligencebarbarian who talks in third
person.
Oof is just pissed off rightnow.
Oof, that was oofs.
Like, I don't know.
Like, I love I love doing likethat sort of thing.

SPEAKER_00 (30:39):
I love when you rolled two critical ones.

SPEAKER_02 (30:41):
I two rolled two.
Yeah, I rolled two dice and theywere both ones, and I was like,
that's the grape.
That that is very oof.
That's very oof.

SPEAKER_03 (30:48):
That was so oof.
Sometimes those like failurestell a way better story than
like a critical 20.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (30:56):
It's much funnier.
It's much funnier.
I'll tell you that.

SPEAKER_00 (30:59):
It's something I keep trying to tell people when
they play Baldur's Gate 3.
Try not to scum.
Random segue, I know, is theyalways try to like play the
perfect game.
And I'm like, you're missing outon so much content trying to
play the perfect game.
Like they they put in so muchstuff if you fail.

SPEAKER_02 (31:17):
I I totally agree.
And like I've played, I've beenplaying some games, like some
co-op games with my wife.
And like in these games, youhave to like collect you go
along and you try and completelike a level, right?
And you have to like you'resupposed to collect all five of
these things.
And if you don't, you stillcomplete the level or whatever.
And she's kind of on the like, Iwe need all five of those
things.
If we don't get those, we goback and we get it again.
And I'm more just like, ah, wegot through it.

(31:38):
It's fine.
We had fun, whatever.
If we get it, it's cool.
And I think kind of just likewhen you play video games or
even in and in life, you canhave this completionist idea
where you're like, I have to geteverything, I have to do it
right perfectly.
I need all the achievements.
I need all the achievements.
And I'm like, fuck that.
That sounds exhaust.
That turned it from a game towork.

(32:00):
Now it's work.
Now it's a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_03 (32:01):
You're losing sight of the journey you made to get
those achievements if you'refocusing on the achievements too
much.

SPEAKER_01 (32:09):
Right.
Yeah, have fun with it.
Like it's just it's not thatit's as Scotty would say, it's
not that serious.
It's not that serious.
It's not that serious.
No.
It's not that serious.
And fuck V Shrimp.
But it's not that serious.

SPEAKER_02 (32:20):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (32:22):
My brother would say, uh, we're not whatever.
It was like you can't take lifetoo seriously because we're not
getting out of it anyway.

SPEAKER_02 (32:31):
Yeah.
I totally agree.
But um, yeah.
Speak oh, speaking of rag israndom segues, totally random
segue.
But did you guys know um I justfound out that they are remaking
the DeLorean?

SPEAKER_00 (32:44):
Like the movies are just a car.
That is a random segue.

SPEAKER_02 (32:46):
That is a totally random.

SPEAKER_00 (32:47):
I feel like that was a random segue that you should
have brought up when Mike wason.

SPEAKER_02 (32:51):
Oh, yeah.
Well, I didn't know it then.
I just found out about it.
I just found out.
Do you guys know they're thisthe the the DeLorean from back
then?

SPEAKER_03 (32:57):
The manufacturer, they're they're making the cars.
Oh, they're making the carsagain.

SPEAKER_02 (33:01):
Yeah, I just found this out.
And and okay, I needed to solike I was like, oh, I want one
of these so bad.
It's gonna be expensive.
Guess how much it is?
Guess how much the startingprice for the DeLorean is.

SPEAKER_00 (33:13):
This is either gonna be surprisingly high or
surprisingly weak.

SPEAKER_01 (33:15):
It's one of those.
It's one of those.
I'll tell you it's one of those.
It's one of those.
It's one of those.
So you go higher, you go.

SPEAKER_03 (33:20):
I'm gonna go a hundred.
That seems like a hundredthousand.

SPEAKER_00 (33:23):
Uh I'll go fifty.

SPEAKER_02 (33:25):
Yeah.
It is two hundred and fiftythousand dollars as the starting
price.
A quarter million dollars.
I was like, well, never mind.
I was gonna wait to nostalgiaexpensive.
I'm I was so bummed.
I cannot tell you the bumnessthat entered my body when I saw
that.
I was like, oh, well, nevermind.

(33:45):
I'm never getting it.

SPEAKER_00 (33:46):
Well, you can get a DeLorean or you can get a house.

SPEAKER_03 (33:50):
A small, small one-bedroom house.

SPEAKER_01 (33:52):
Our house was cheaper than like the house that
we're selling right now andmoving.
That house was cheaper when webought it, at least, than uh
this new DeLorean.
That's insane.
Gosh.

SPEAKER_02 (34:02):
Yeah, so I'm just sad about that.
I thought of it and it made mesad, and now I'm now everyone
else has to be sad because weall know we're not getting
DeLoreans.
It looks cool, but yeah, it'sand I know it's for only for the
ultra-rich.

SPEAKER_03 (34:13):
That's so dumb.
Like, how how much were theytoday, like comparably when they
came out way back?
Like, could could this could asingle household have one?

SPEAKER_02 (34:24):
It was definitely there's no way it was the
equivalent of two of a quartermillion dollars when it was
released.
They were expensive, but likeyou can get a DeLorean now, like
an old an 80s one for like 40grand, 50 grand, something like
that.

SPEAKER_03 (34:35):
They gotta go the Ford Bronco route sort of thing.
Like still make it affordable.

SPEAKER_02 (34:41):
Yeah, there's no way that it's especially Canadians
aren't gonna have eight millionCanadian dollars to pay for it.
Like, come on, right?

SPEAKER_00 (34:47):
Yeah, whatever the conversion is.
Eight million loonies.

SPEAKER_02 (34:52):
You with you with your monopoly money, I don't
know what that fucking costs.

SPEAKER_03 (34:56):
Hey, our money doesn't deteriorate and it's
very pretty.

SPEAKER_02 (35:00):
Oh, it's very pretty.
I'm not saying, you know, I'mnot saying it's not, but like
here in America, you're like,oh, you know, you talk about the
greens or trees or grass orwhatever.
Like, what are you what's yourslang for money in Canada?
Like, do you have like rainbows?
Like, I don't have that manyrainbows.

SPEAKER_03 (35:13):
Our coins are the funny ones.
It's like loonies and tunies.
We have a single single dollar.

SPEAKER_02 (35:20):
You don't have anything for like dollar bills
or anything like that?
Not that I'm aware of.

SPEAKER_00 (35:24):
We don't have a dollar bill.

SPEAKER_02 (35:24):
Okay, well, I okay.
I'm all right.
Well, okay, well, like we have ahundred dollar bill and the
Benjamin Franklin's on it,right?
So we say Benjamin.
So you don't have anything likethat?
I don't think I'm I've neverbeen more disappointed in Canada
than I am right in this exactmodel.

SPEAKER_03 (35:38):
We usually don't like what's the word?
Celebrity, like make ourpoliticians celebrities in the
city.

SPEAKER_02 (35:47):
Who's on your money?
Who's on your money?

SPEAKER_03 (35:49):
Do you know who's on your money, or is it just I know
we have the queen of some primeministers, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (35:59):
Just some people.
There's just people on ourmoney.
We don't know who it is.

SPEAKER_00 (36:03):
See, the thing is the thing is here in Canada, we
have this thing callede-transfer.
We don't use money anymore.

SPEAKER_02 (36:09):
I mean, I can't I get like you know, money paper
money is like phasing out, and Iget it.
We'll all have chips in our armsthat we use to pay our for our
DeLoreans in the future.
Like, I get that, but for rightnow, there's still like paper
currency.

SPEAKER_01 (36:22):
Like, I can't believe you don't even have like
a slang for it or something.

SPEAKER_00 (36:26):
Well, I I can't believe you guys don't have
e-transfer.
So we have other things.
We got like you have otherthings that you have to like pay
for.

SPEAKER_01 (36:35):
Yeah, well, it's there's fees, but you know, it's
not I use Benbo people for apizza or whatever, it's not that
bad.

SPEAKER_03 (36:41):
No, it it's it's less capitalistic, I would say.

SPEAKER_02 (36:46):
I mean, right, well, well, listen, we're in America
where capitalism is like 101 outof 100.
Like, we're we're there, solike, of course, it's gonna be
less capitalistic, but you know,I kind of expected it to be
like, oh, we have this slang forlike our dollar bills, well, our
dollar coins, I'm sorry.
We got loonies.

SPEAKER_03 (37:03):
We we need money satchels to carry our change
around.
We need to bring back moremedieval things like money
satchels or like I know cakesare making a comeback, which is
awesome.
That's cool.

SPEAKER_00 (37:14):
That is awesome.

SPEAKER_02 (37:15):
I like the coin, like the coins are badass.
Like when you'd walk up to likethe bar and you'd be like, Yeah,
I need like uh cleaning for myhorse and a room and you know a
beer.
Jink one fucking coin.

SPEAKER_00 (37:26):
I should have been wearing this the entire time
since we have tank on.

SPEAKER_02 (37:30):
Yeah.
Like you throw a coin on thereand boom, you're done.
Like, that's I I wouldn't I'd behappy with that.
I'd be happy if we come backwith that.

SPEAKER_03 (37:38):
It like brings more interaction with transactions.
Like, I I feel like even withlike tipping culture where they
show like the screen where it'slike blue, they're like do you
do you guys have tippingculture?
Do you guys have tipping cultureor is that just it's not as
extreme, I would say, as well.
Okay, you get a haircut.

SPEAKER_02 (37:55):
All right, well, you don't get a haircut, probably,
but you know, somebody gets ahaircut.
Do they tip the barber?

SPEAKER_03 (38:00):
Yeah.
Okay.
But I would say like our serversaren't as dependent on tips to
right.

SPEAKER_02 (38:07):
They get paid like a livable wage and not for you
know Washingtons.
I had to think, I had to thinkfor who's on the dollar bell.
It's like, wait a second, fuck,who's on the dollar bell?

SPEAKER_03 (38:16):
No, like I I feel like when we're moving as a
society away from like takingaway more and more of that like
daily interaction.
Like I saw, I think it was apost on social media where it's
like this old lady always didthe long way to do things just
because she would go out to thebank and like talk to the

(38:37):
teller, or go to the grocerystore and talk to the workers,
or like instead of like doordashing, or we're losing a lot
of that.
Yeah.
And it it just kind of like it'slike that adventure of life of
not I'm that has to bearticulated, but no, I totally

(38:57):
see what you're saying.

SPEAKER_02 (38:57):
Like that has to be a reason we're experiencing more
like loneliness and shit rightnow, right?
Because you just like you wakeup, you get on your computer, do
my work, order food, just leaveit at my door, please, so I
don't have to talk to you.
And then you eat it, and thenthat's it.
Like you go to bed.
And like, so I think like youwere talking about with like the
exercise and what, like, youknow, just kind of uh giving
some people like you know, likean achievement, you know.

(39:19):
I think having like a communitywould just be like would it it
helps a lot, it helps a lot.
Like you look at the othercultures who are like living
longer, they always have like acommunity, whereas ours is just
you know, you get by on yourown, like whatever.
It's it's a little it's a littleon it's a little sad.
It's a little sad.

SPEAKER_03 (39:36):
It can be, but you can change that, my friends.
Just start going on adventures,and apply for the ship.
And apply for the ship, take thelong way.

SPEAKER_02 (39:47):
Like, yeah, you had to you had to you had to poop
overboard, which is what I'massuming the poop deck was for.
But like, you know, you hadfriends on there, and yes, you
all had scurvy and your gumswere bleeding, but you had
friends whose gums were alsobleeding, and that gave you a
sense of community.

SPEAKER_00 (40:02):
Everyone was in the same boat, figuratively and
literally.

SPEAKER_02 (40:06):
Yeah, metaphorically and figuratively, we're all
bleeding on the same boat of thesame disease.

SPEAKER_03 (40:12):
Scurvy.
Eat your vegetables and fruit.

SPEAKER_02 (40:16):
Yes, get bring some.
I think what I think did I talkabout this before, where it's
like that's why uh uh Britishpeople kind of figured out that
like bringing lemons on boardhelped them fight off scurvy.
They didn't know why, but theyjust knew it did.
And they other countries thoughtthey were limes, so they started
calling them limeys, and that'swhere like that came from, and

(40:36):
that's why like you call Britishpeople limeys now, is it's
because of like them bringinglemons on a ship.
They were all laughing at themlike idiots bringing in limes,
like morons.

SPEAKER_03 (40:45):
They're eating something with fiber.

SPEAKER_02 (40:48):
We do that every day.
What is vitamin C anyway?
That's stupid.
I just eat more of my RTAC.

SPEAKER_03 (40:54):
Oh no, I think it's like small changes people need,
and it's like just eat therainbow, eat eat some like
contrasting color vegetablesonce in a while.
You'll you'll you'll feel alittle better.

SPEAKER_02 (41:08):
I think it's well, I mean, with nutrition, with
fitness, with all of it, we tendto overcomplicate it.
And it like it's hard for me toblame people because they're
being fed that, right?
From left to right, center,social media, from wherever,
that like it is complicated andyou have to follow these
specific rules no matter what itis.
And so I understand why peopleget totally frustrated with it.

(41:31):
And those are the comments, thecomments I like the most for me
is just like you've you've madeit so it was complicated, and
now like it's simple, and I justfollow these few rules, and then
I'm feeling better.
And like those are the bestbecause I'm like, yeah, that's
literally all it is to get likeI mean you I feel like what do
you think?
Do you I feel like a lot ofespecially fitness but nutrition
as well, it's directed towardspeople who are already, I don't

(41:54):
know, 90% healthy and they wantto make them 100% healthy,
right?
That last like 10%, right?
They're working on trying to getthem from there to there, which
takes a lot of work.
You're dialing in yoursupplements, you're fucking
meditating and shit blood workevery sort of like every week
and monitoring.

SPEAKER_00 (42:12):
Well, blood work every week in Canada where it's
free for us, but I mean in theUS, they don't want to be able
to do that.
No loonies afford that.
It doesn't cost you a singleloony, it doesn't cost a single
loony.

SPEAKER_03 (42:21):
Dang, that's well, even just like the monetary
barrier, like a lot of peopledon't have the funds to so like
they're trying to look at thisextremely rigid plan that's
being promoted by this rippedshirtless guy, and it's like,
well, that's gonna cost thismuch.
I don't have it.
Uh it's already hard enough asis.
It's like, no, just instead ofeating French fries, air fry

(42:44):
that potato or like just a smalllittle thing.

SPEAKER_02 (42:48):
Like going from, I don't know, 30% healthy to like
70% healthy, that doesn't take awhole lot.
You're going from never movingyour body to moving it
sometimes, to moving it a littlebit more, you know, from eating
no vegetables to eating one ortwo, like you know, it's these
those small things are just somuch easier.

(43:08):
And I think people get caught upwith that 90 to 100 healthy and
thinking they have to do that,which is expensive and time
consuming, whereas the otherstuff is is is much, much
easier.

SPEAKER_03 (43:17):
Yeah, you don't have to climb the mountain tomorrow,
just take one step up one dayand then another step the next
day, like and you will get thereand just be consistent and
you'll get yourself up thatmountain.

SPEAKER_00 (43:30):
It's actually a really good metaphor because
like the last 10% of thatmountain is is the scramble, and
that is a bitch to climb.
And it's the coldest, andthere's windows.

SPEAKER_03 (43:40):
80% up that mountain, you still get an
amazing view.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (43:45):
The view from that 70% of the mountain is better
than 0% of the mountain.

SPEAKER_03 (43:49):
Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 (43:51):
Yeah, I think it's tough to get people to realize
that, but I think the sort ofgamifying it like you're doing
introduces people into that,right?
That the the making it sort of agame let's helps people realize
that it it's not that it's notthat serious.
It's not that serious.
It's not that serious.
Not that serious.

(44:11):
Well, what do you have anythingelse you want to tell people?
Make sure I don't want to like,because we're getting like close
to hour.
I want to make sure like whatyou you have things like I need
to tell people this.
They have to know.
They must know.
I'm working on my back.
This is my costume.

SPEAKER_03 (44:22):
And they're this is like my second ever podcast, so
I don't know how to start andfinish or do like uh we we've
done a hundred, but still don'tknow how to start or finish
them.

SPEAKER_02 (44:31):
So listen, we're the only white people talking, white
guys talking into a uh arecording right now.
I'm pretty sure we're the onlyones that talk about it.

SPEAKER_03 (44:39):
Hey, at least you're actually talking to someone and
not setting up a podcast setupjust to get clips of you talking
to fake someone.

SPEAKER_02 (44:47):
That's the best.
What do you have to backdrop?
Like, let me put the Joe Roganlike curtains behind me so
people think I'm on Joe Rogan.

SPEAKER_03 (44:53):
I am an expert talking to myself.

SPEAKER_02 (44:56):
Oh, I love those clips.
I love those.

SPEAKER_03 (44:59):
Don't believe everything you see on social
media, Mike.

SPEAKER_02 (45:01):
Okay, pretend you're on one of those right now.
You got a clip.
What do you tell?
Yeah, you got the microphone,you know, the people are.

SPEAKER_03 (45:06):
We just said it.
Like, we literally just said it.
Like, small, consistent stepswill get you up the mountain.
You don't have to reach the toptomorrow.
Or you don't even have to reachthe top.
You can be 50% up your mountainand have a perfectly happy,
healthy life.
You just have to like make thestep.
Like, just decide to do it.

SPEAKER_00 (45:27):
Okay, I've got an extremely important question for
you because I it's been on mymind ever since you mentioned
your thing would be Star Wars.
Is Tank a Jedi or Sith?
Because I'm sitting here and I'mlooking at you and I'm like, you
know, you would look badass in adark cow with a red saber.

SPEAKER_03 (45:41):
It would be cool.
Um I think for sure would belike a Jedi mentor, but probably
not in the most rigid sense.
He'd be like the a a Kane andJarrus, if you know, if you've
watched um what is it called?
Rebels, the animated series.
That's that's one of myfavorites, but Kane and Jarus

(46:02):
was like more of a loose mentorand not so rigid.
Because uh, yeah, being toorigid sucks.

SPEAKER_02 (46:09):
I think you'd be teaching the like tiny Jedi's
that are like two years old,three years old, that sort of
stuff.
That's what I think you'd bedoing.

SPEAKER_03 (46:14):
Yeah, either that or people said like the Vikings of
the Star Wars are like theMandalorians with like their
tenants and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 (46:22):
Yeah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 (46:23):
But then again, they're too rigid too, so I
would probably probably wouldjust be like this wise old guy
that's like an NPC who's likeforce sensitive and teaches
people to be a good person.
I told you I like Star Wars.
I know I know a little bit, I'mnot like hardcore, but I know a
little bit.
It's funny.
I'm more Star Trek.
I mean that's okay.

(46:45):
And we don't we don't judgepeople.

SPEAKER_00 (46:46):
I do like how um like I I remember as a kid
getting called a nerd was likethe worst thing.
And I mean there's still there'sstill some negative connotation
there.
It's more of a compliment.
At the same time, yeah, it'sit's more of a compliment now.
People take it better, andthere's a lot more culture
around it, and there's groups ofpeople that come together and

(47:08):
embrace it.

SPEAKER_03 (47:10):
Yeah, like social media made the world smaller in
a good way where you could findyour communities like that.
Like if you like I live in avery small conservative town,
and for the like the longesttime I enjoyed my anonymity
because my videos wouldn't hitthe profiles of like farmers or

(47:30):
like rigid white.
I won't get into it, but mydemographic is not this town, so
it's like it's good that I'mthat the world got smaller and
you can find your communitiesonline.
Embrace that you can be who youwant to be, because there's
other people out there that wantto do it, and embrace the
cringe.
Don't don't shy because someonewill call it cringe, because

(47:52):
cringe just means you'veunlocked your joy and happiness
in life, and you don't care ifpeople judge you for it or not.

SPEAKER_00 (47:57):
Just make somebody jealous of you.

SPEAKER_03 (47:59):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (48:00):
Yeah, I heard that it's cringe until it works, and
I like that.
It's everything's cringe untilit works.

SPEAKER_03 (48:05):
Yep.
The people that say, Oh, you'recringe, will be the ones
watching you the most.

SPEAKER_02 (48:12):
They have nothing going on in their life, so they
just call other people cringe.

SPEAKER_03 (48:16):
It's it's that saying is like people like
people that are more successfulthan you will never look down,
or like what is it saying?
I don't know.
You probably know it.

SPEAKER_02 (48:25):
I know what you're trying to say though.

SPEAKER_03 (48:27):
Yeah, yeah.
It's like people that like no, Ishouldn't say that either,
because there are people infitness that look down on them.
But people that are goingthrough their journey journey
can see you following the samejourney and they won't hit you
down for it.
At least I hope not.

SPEAKER_02 (48:45):
I think it's the people that have the least going
on in their life that have themost to say.

SPEAKER_03 (48:49):
Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (48:50):
Yeah.
So we're just gonna deal withit.
That's what it is.

SPEAKER_00 (48:53):
But speaking of cringe, the three of us need to
play some Baldur's Gate 3 onTwitch.

SPEAKER_02 (48:58):
Yeah, Baldur's Gate 3.

SPEAKER_00 (48:59):
It will be cringe so bad how how bad we are.

SPEAKER_01 (49:02):
Oh, what are you talking about?
Oh, get out of that shit.
We're fucking experts at thisgame.

SPEAKER_03 (49:06):
We'll min-max everything.
No, we'll we'll all just likeroll up with like friggin' bards
or something.

SPEAKER_00 (49:12):
Heck yeah.
All bard party.
No, no, two bards and an oof.

SPEAKER_02 (49:16):
I the oof.
I was just gonna say I have toplay the oof.
So we're really into the oof.
The oof's the best.
This is the best character.

SPEAKER_00 (49:22):
Do you guys get into the bigger?
We will make this happen, andthen we'll get all our listeners
to come in and watch us, eitheron Tink's channel or my channel.
And you can collaborate channelsnow.

SPEAKER_03 (49:32):
You can like all be live and like mesh now.

SPEAKER_02 (49:35):
That'd be nice.
And I'll be in my new house.
I'll be in my new fucking housewhen we do it.
Finally, I need to get out ofthere within this tiny little
Airbnb where I can't stand up inthe bathroom to post a video
today where I was just like, oh,you know, I was eating something
in the kitchen.
I'm like, the kitchen's kind ofsmall.
Let me go to my another roomthat has more space, and then
I'm just ducked down in thebathroom.
Like, all right, this isperfect.
I'm feeling great here.

(49:56):
I'll actually be able to dothat.

SPEAKER_03 (49:57):
If you can't fix it, feature it.

SPEAKER_01 (49:59):
But that's yeah, that's my life.
That's pretty much the motto ofmy life.
And I can't fix most of it.
So there's a lot of features.

SPEAKER_03 (50:08):
Might as well feature it.
If you can't laugh at yourself,you're missing the biggest
thing.

SPEAKER_02 (50:12):
Holy shit.
If someone can't laugh atthemselves, I think that is the
biggest red flag, and I will notlike watch their content or
engage or anything because thatis just the absolute worst when
someone's full on.
Don't go full Steven Seagal.
That's all I'm saying.
Don't go full Seagull.

SPEAKER_00 (50:28):
You never go full Seagull.

SPEAKER_02 (50:29):
Never go full Seagull.
You have to be able to you needat least some Jim Carrey.
You need a little carry in youto be able to just laugh at
yourself and have fun.
That is true.

SPEAKER_03 (50:38):
But just have the self-awareness.
Yes.
Like just to be able to likelook at yourself and be like,
okay.
To be like, it's not thatserious.

SPEAKER_02 (50:46):
It's not exactly.

SPEAKER_01 (50:47):
It's not that fucking serious.

SPEAKER_03 (50:49):
I'm like, I'm dressing up like a Viking and
And where can people find youdressing up like a Viking?
Yeah.
Everywhere, like TikTok,Instagram, Facebook, YouTube.
They just go on it and you popup, or do they have to like look
your name up or something?
Just thank Tolman everywhere.
Yeah.
I'll eventually find you in themiddle of the night and tell you
to go to bed.
I have a deal with the Faye.
People always ask, like, how didyou time those videos?

(51:10):
I'm like, I guess the Faye toldlike need needed that message
right now.
Like I I give them offerings sothey find you when you need it.

SPEAKER_00 (51:19):
Real life magic.

SPEAKER_03 (51:20):
Real life magic.

SPEAKER_00 (51:21):
And with that, the episode ends.