The Truth Behind Vaccine Myths with Dr. Jon

What if everything you've heard about vaccines is wrong? Or maybe just wildly misunderstood? Dr. John, a Canadian internist who works at a major teaching hospital, joins us to cut through the noise and explain what's really happening with vaccine misinformation.

From the fascinating origins of vaccines (did you know the word comes from "vacca" meaning cow?) to the most persistent myths circulating today, Dr. John provides clear, evidence-based explanations that make complex immunology accessible. We dive deep into why Andrew Wakefield's infamous autism study was retracted, how the "turbo cancer" conspiracy theory defies basic science, and why giving Hepatitis B vaccines to infants makes perfect sense despite what critics claim.

The conversation takes unexpected turns as we explore how anti-vaccine narratives exploit normal death rates to create fear, why RFK Jr.'s definition of autism is wildly inaccurate, and how the difference between long and short incubation viruses explains why some vaccines seem more effective than others. Dr. John even explains how the "died suddenly" narrative falls apart when you apply simple analytical methods to the data.

Most powerfully, we confront the common argument of "what did people do before vaccines?" with the stark reality: they died, often in massive numbers. This eye-opening discussion reveals how herd immunity protects the most vulnerable among us and why maintaining high vaccination rates matters for everyone, not just those receiving the vaccine.

Whether you're curious about vaccine science, concerned about misinformation, or just want to understand how to evaluate health claims critically, this episode provides the tools to separate fact from fiction in an increasingly confusing information landscape. Follow Dr. John on social media @dr.john.l on TikTok and @dr.john.lx on Instagram for more science-based insights that cut through the noise.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to In Moderation.
We're on episode 69 plus 14, Ibelieve.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Yeah, you go with it, because I got no clue.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
And today we've brought on this is very special
because he is a Canadian doctor.
So all you American people youknow who are like, oh, american
doctors are out for the moneyand all that.
I brought a Canadian on, so youcan't use that excuse no, they
still will they still leave foranother couple of months.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
I mean, I'm sure isn't that when canada's being
ushered into the united states?

Speaker 1 (00:33):
I don't know how long danger danger, oh my god oh,
dude, did you see?
Did you see carney and trump?
Every time trump brought up the51st state thing, carney was
just like no, no, never and hekept hearing it up.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
He's like, no, just let it go, not happen.
I haven't seen much besides mydaughter yelling at me and
looking for toys and thenfinding other toys and then
hiding those toys.
That's pretty much all I see.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
It's actually like my cats so, john, why don't you
introduce yourself?

Speaker 2 (01:04):
uh, I'm dr john.
On social media I am a generalinternist in a major hospital,
teaching hospital here in Canada, so I teach residents, work in
a large hospital in the wards aswell as a pretty busy clinic
including immigrants andrefugees and online I basically
debunk misinformation.
A lot of it related to vaccines, covid and other health issues.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
There's definitely a lot of misinformation around
vaccines, especially with thegood old Bobby Brainworm.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Bobby.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Well, no, I mean, he's conducting that thing right
.
He got that guy who's verywell-educated and he's going to
figure it all out.
I'm sure it'll be fine.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
I'm sure they won't find anything wrong with
vaccines.
We'll know the root cause ofautism in about three months now
.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
September.
Right, bro, we're counting down.
We're so close to knowing whatcauses autism and fixing it
apparently Right and fixing itRight.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yep man, this administration, man Apparently
Right and fixing grades.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Right, yep man, this administration, man, like we're
getting Canada, we're fixingautism.
I mean, what is there tocomplain about?
You know what I'm saying?
You renamed the Gulf.
I don't like the Gulf.
That's cool.
I missed Freedom Prize, butother than that, I mean it was
fine.
Like you should see hisadministration.
They added Vinay Prasad is thehead of vaccines.
Now he is a hematologicaloncologist who was a contrarian

(02:27):
during COVID.
He doesn't know anything aboutvaccines.
Of course they added Tracy BethHogue to the ACIP committee, who
is a physiatrist and has noidea about vaccines.
They added, of course, JayBhattacharya, in charge of the
NIH, who is not a practicingdoctor and is actually an
economist.
And they added Oma Kari is incharge of the FDA, who is a

(02:51):
surgeon, who is the source ofthe medical errors.
The third leading cause ofdeath garbage study.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Really.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yep, wow, that's your A team.
What's Uncle Salmon?
Isn't he a part of it?
I feel like I don't know whatpart, salmon, isn't he a part of
it?
Like, I feel like I don't knowwhat part, but I feel like he's
part of it somewhere.
And then, of course, rfk Jr isthe head of the whole thing.
Oh, and, and Oz is the head ofMedicare.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Oh, that's right.
Did you guys have Oz?

Speaker 2 (03:17):
And he's.
He was a cardiologist, right,cardiac surgeon, cardiac surgeon
, okay, sorry, cardiac.
So there we go.
Problem, listen, we got the ateam.
Yeah, my favorite episode of droz is when you try to sell you
a herb instead of thyroidhormone for thyroid problems.
Oh, that's, how is that morenatural?

(03:38):
I liked, um, I mean, there's somany good dr oz ones, but I
like the tea, the green tea, andlike dark chocolate for like
weight loss.
Those, those are really good.
I like those Classic.
And then he was like some herbfor hypertension and I'm like so
after you do cardiac surgery ona patient, you recommend they
take this herb instead of theirblood pressure meds.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
You just rub it.
Is that what you're?

Speaker 2 (04:00):
telling me you just like rub it where, like the cut
was, you just put it there, itjust sees it.
Oh, I remember he did one onlike saturated fat too.
How, like he got a little bitinto the seed oils as well, like
even before the big seed oilthing happened, like he was
before then, and he broughtpeople over like, yeah, no,
saturated fats are what you want.
And I'm like, all right, thisis going to go off.
I feel like how, like bigpharma wants to keep people sick

(04:21):
.
Like a cardiac surgeon tellingyou to eat more saturated fats
might be a little on the nose,creating the problem and selling
the solution right exactly he'slike oh, these bypasses are
awesome man like you know howmuch one of those costs.
It's great yeah oh, that'sawesome.
Um, well, yeah, I mean.
So tell us about like vaccines.

(04:42):
They're like super evil andthey're gonna to like kill you
or something, right, but I don'tknow.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
How big is the microchip that they implant?

Speaker 2 (04:49):
I actually had to do a video on that how the smallest
microchip we have right nowcan't actually fit through the
vaccine syringe, so I don't knowhow they're actually injecting
it into people.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
I wish we could have like microchips that small that
we could our animals with Right.
I wish we could have likemicrochips that small that we
could our animals with Right.
Yeah, amazing.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
There's some experimental ones, but they're
not in mass production oranything now.
So the actual syringe diameterthat we use for vaccines, the
microchip can actually fitthrough it.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
I mean, like what gauge of needle?

Speaker 2 (05:17):
I think it's a 28.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah, that's.
That's a very small diameter.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
It's a pretty small one to them.
That's yeah, that's a verysmall diameter.
It's a pretty small oneAccording to them.
That's what they say, but I'msure they're just pulling out
whatever is in the drawer andthey just throw it in there and
see what happens, of course.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
The 12 gauge I often get my vaccine shot with a 12
gauge needle.
What are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Just like a skin biopsy, oh God.
Okay, so I learned a little bitabout, uh, how vaccine started,
like the history of vaccinesand like so, um, it started with
, uh, smallpox was like one ofthe first vaccines or maybe the
first vaccine, where, like therewas a guy.
He noticed that there was thesemilkmaids and they had all

(05:57):
these sores on their hands, likewhat's up with those, and
they're like, oh, we get thisout, we're milking cows, and and
it turns out that was like cowpox.
And so he was like, oh, herealized if people get cow pox,
they can't get smallpox.
So what if we just like givepeople cow pox?
Right, and I'm pretty sure likevaccine comes from like the word
vaca, meaning cow or somethinglike that.
It's been a while since Ilooked it up, but there's

(06:19):
something like that.
And so he just started.
He's like like, hey, let's justgive people cowpox.
And you know, I'm gonna behonest and with this
administration, I feel like weshould just go back to that sort
of stuff like this, this wholelike science natural immunity,
yeah, natural immunity.
Instead of going like, okay,we've, we've distilled this and
we've purified it and bloody,bloody.
All this science, technicalbullshit that no one cares about

(06:40):
, why don't we just give peoplelike the disease, like in a
smaller amount, and say like,then you can't get it worse
later in the future?
I feel like more people wouldsign up for that, and they
there's actually evidence thatthey did that even before, like
in russia during the plague andduring smallpox, and these are
some african societies that alsowould inoculate with like dead

(07:01):
tissue from somebody that wassick.
I heard one like in china therewas one.
They would like grind, grind upthe pox like the actual, because
the pox are like the thingsthat are like on your body you
know right, they would likegrind that up into like a dust
and people would either snort itor drink it or I don't know how
they get it into their bodysomehow and that would like give
them the disease.
But like you only had like asmall, you had a much smaller

(07:23):
percent chance of dying fromcowpox.
You did smallpox and you'relike, if I get smallpox I'm kind
of fucked, so might as welljust roll the dice with cowpox
and see how that shit goes.
But like what if us fromsmallpox in russia, so people,
people would die from that, butwell, yeah well, not great, but
like what?
okay, okay, we offer it as analternative.

(07:44):
Okay for all the people like Idon't want to get the vaccine,
we'll just give you straight upthe disease and like a small.
All right, there might be someethical issues, but I feel like
with our administration we canbypass that sort of stuff.
Right, it's the more naturalroute.
If we sell it as that, I thinkmore, I think we could get these
people who are anti-vax to signup for just like getting the

(08:04):
disease, and then they'd beinoculated.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
And well, we're still kind of.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
I've seen them get there on Twitter.
They're like oh, vaccines arepoison, blah, blah, blah.
Why can't we just give a weakerform of the disease to protect
us and get natural?
I'm like you know, you can'texplain that to them.
You can't explain that.
You just work.
Listen, you can't beat stupid,you have to just work with it.
Like you've got theseguidelines right that you're
working around.
Are the guidelines dumb?

(08:30):
Of course they are, but we'reworking with them right.
So we're just like.
You want the disease Fine Lineup.
We got this kid.
He's just going to lick everysingle one of you and you know.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Then you go home and just wait, exactly it's.
It's that's like the measlesparties and the chicken parties.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Do not do measles parties, by the way don't give
people diseases on purpose isthat what?
You're saying it.
Does that go against, like thehippocratic oath or some stupid
shit?
Yeah, it's pretty unethical.
It's pretty unethical man,fucking hippocratic oath, always
ruining all the fun in medicine.
It is, it is.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
It's all these ethics keeping us no harm bloody
bloody blah.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
We're actually this is completely off topic, but
isn't it like the do no harm,like isn't that an issue they're
having with, uh, puttingcriminals like to death because
they can't have like a doctor doit because the doctor like took
the hippocratic oath of like dono?
Harm yeah, we can't.
We can't do that.
So they have to just get somedude like hey, jeremy, do you
know how to like squeeze yourfingers together?

(09:32):
come grab this I'm not sure whoactually does it, but yeah, it's
, that's wild man.
The hippocratic oath is alsokind of outdated for some
reasons, because it's mostly abalance of harms and benefits.
Right, because if I give youchemotherapy for cancer, I'm
obviously going to do harm.
You're gonna have diarrhea,you're gonna get nerve pain.
You know your hair is gonnafall out, your white count's

(09:52):
gonna drop.
However, the risk of the canceris so high that you would take
the risk of the, the chemo.
So, straight up do no harm.
Doesn't really work in medicineanymore.
It's more of a balance wherewhat you're doing is less
adequate amounts of harm.
Well, yeah, as little as you cando a little harm to do less
harm than you do good yeah, youwant to balance the risk and

(10:16):
benefit of the intervention withwhatever it doesn't flow as
well, I'll give it that.
I think people might haveproblem getting that on.
Like you know, plaques orwhatever they put the
hippocratic oath on, I don'tknow.
Just balance it, do you inmoderation.
I was just about to say do harmin moderation, yeah, so we don't
go for trying harm, but we knowthat some things can cause harm

(10:39):
, but then you have to balanceit and you have to inform the
patient basically of what therisks are.
Okay, so, like vaccines,exactly, they can do harm, right
, like some people have likeadverse reactions to them and
that's why we tell people tonever get vaccines, correct,
yeah, exactly.
Well, what we do if we're ananti-vaxxer is we completely
minimize the risk of the diseaseand pretend it doesn't harm

(10:59):
anybody and then we completelymaximize the risk of the vaccine
so we can scare people as muchas possible.
Exactly, it's like what, what'swhat do?
you know, like what's the rateof like uh advert?
Like serious adverse effectsand like vaccines it depends on
the vaccine there's some thatare more harmful.
The covid vaccine was prettylow.

(11:20):
It was under uh.
From what I heard on fox news,that's true it was.
It was very low uh.
If you actually look at deathsin canada, we had six actually
confirmed to be from the vaccine.
What they like to do is theylike to look at the reported
ones, because you had to reportany death that occurred
following vaccination right,which is something you have to

(11:43):
look at like.
in the united states, 8 000people die a day, so if you're
vaccinating millions of peoplewithin a short period of time,
there are some people that arejust going to die on the day of
the vaccine and that was goingto happen regardless, which is
why you have to do all thesesafety signal looking and
actually look at the patternsand how frequent the causes of
deaths are and how likely it isto have occurred from the

(12:03):
vaccine Sounds like a lot of newones.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah, exactly, that doesn't really.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
They just like to post the number and be like
500,000 deaths after the vaccineand like reported Reported
after the vaccine.
There's more work you need todo.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
And how many of those were 90 years old.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
They're all over the age spectrum.
The other thing I like to showif you actually go into that
database, the number ofpregnancies following the
vaccine also increased.
And they like to claim that theCOVID vaccines make you sterile
.
And I'm like well, if youbelieve the COVID vaccine caused
all these deaths, becausethey're reported in this
database, you must also believethe COVID vaccine causes
pregnancy, because the number ofpregnancies reported in the

(12:42):
database skyrocketed with theCOVID vaccines.
Yeah, I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
That's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
So that just shows what we call stimulated
reporting.
So you watch the news, you hearabout a new vaccine, you change
the criteria for reporting thevaccine, you hand out handouts
to people as they're getting thevaccine, saying hey, if you
have something bad happen to,you go to this website and
suddenly a bunch of new reportscome in.
So it's the jump in the numberof reports following the code

(13:09):
vaccine.
It's not because the codevaccine's so bad, it's because
we told people please report anyside effects so we can evaluate
the safety of these vaccines.
But like, why, why don't you dothat?
As like a selling point likeyou could get, like this makes
you more, uh, the virta, virta,virta, whatever that word is
right.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
This can cause immaculate conception it can
cause.
It can cause pregnancy if youare like, well, let's work also
for stupid creatures like Idon't know if you've you heard
the story.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
There was like a guy who who got people into, um, he
was a doctor.
I mean this was back whendoctors were like ah, just a
doctor, you just say it.
And he would like put a like agoat testicle in people's
scrotums.
Like this was a real thing,that happened.
Like he wouldn't put it all theway in there oh, you got to
look it up, it's a fascinatingstory Like because you know,
goats are always like horny,right, and so like he would just

(14:01):
sell people and like, look atthe goat, you want to be more
like, you know, like a goat,yeah.
And so he would, yeah, no, hewould literally, Mostly he would
just like take the outerscrotum, just the skin, and just
kind of like, just kind ofplace it in there, and he would
tell them like I'm hooking it upto all the hooks and levers and
like all the things in there.
But he didn't do any of that.
He would just like, you know,just kind of, yeah, there,

(14:22):
that's good, sew it up.
And then he would like pay themto say that you know, oh, my
gosh, I'm so much better.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And then he put like so manygoat testicles, you know, like
like little baby goat testicles.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
That's exactly what I'd.
What I'd want is some rottinggoat flesh to be placed into my
testicles.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
It's thousands of people on that.
If he can, do that Sounds likea carnivore MD type thing.
I mean, we're not too far off.
He did say, like if you eat,you know, a part of an animal
like liver, it heals your liver,Right.
So like you know, that's notthat far off.
Yeah, Like, yeah, no, he foundit in an old German book.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
I don't know if you saw that one, but it was in an
old German book.
Yeah, if you eat like a heart.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
It heals your heart, blah, blah blah.
I don't go to psychiatrists formedical advice.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
That's where you're going wrong.
That's your problem.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Physiology.
My favorite consult frompsychiatry is please see this
person for hep A, because theyhave blood work showing immunity
to hep A.
And you're so polite andeverything.
You're like, okay, I'll go seethem, I'll talk to them, we'll
do the consult, and I'm like,yeah, she's from another country
that has lots of hepe and hadhepe as a child and is immune.

(15:33):
You're welcome.
House, play the house music aslike got this, um, but yeah.
So my point was like if we canget people, if they can get
people to believe like goattesticles did that, like we can,
we can get people on board withlike take the vaccines and
you're more fertile just sayingjust saying I think it would
work.
And the placebo effect is is astrong effect.
Hell, yeah, like, isn't theplacebo effect still in effect,

(15:54):
even if you tell people it's aplacebo effect, even if you like
tell them like, hey, thisplacebo, it still works to some
degree.
That's how powerful it is.
It can, yeah, and so the otherthing that's powerful is the
nocebo effect.
Right, because if you look atthe covid vaccine trials, there
were a bunch of people that gotsaline that reported adverse
reactions.
Right, okay, right, right,because they thought they were
getting the vaccine.

(16:15):
Yeah, so they reported symptomsthat could be consistent with
the vaccination body aches, painat the site, all these kind of
common symptoms for post-vaccine.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
And saline also causes that, or no?
No, okay.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Saline, can cause harm, though, if you give enough
of it.
Well, yeah, I mean water cancause enough harm.
You drink enough?
Of it, so you know it's kind ofthe name of the game.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Which goes along with their.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Oh, you don't use a proper placebo unless you use
saline.
Well, it's not true.
It has to be inert at the dosegiven, which is a tiny little
amount of saline.
If you give aluminum or theadjuvant or anything else at
that tiny dose, it's inert.
If I give you enough saline Ican cause a metabolic acidosis,
I can cause your lungs to floodwith water, I can cause some

(17:02):
people's sodium to to drop.
So it depends on the doseyou're giving is whether it's
inert or not.
I don't know if there's asubstance that's actually
universally inert at all doses.
That's fair.
But I want to ask you so, likewhat are the most common like um
, uh, concerns, I guess you see,with, like the vaccines, kind
of in general like it could becovid vaccine, but just kind of

(17:23):
in general with vaccine, likewhat do you go, what do you have
to go over all the time thatyou're like fucking, damn it,
this again, holy shit.
So like I'm just kind ofcurious, uh, the covid vaccine's
kind of fallen off so I can dothe ones that are kind of going
up on the internet now.
So one would be death postvaccine and for childhood
vaccines that would be sidsprimarily.
So they try to say children whogot vaccinated are at increased

(17:46):
risk of SIDS and that's beenevaluated in multiple studies
and not shown to be true.
There are a lot of other riskfactors for SIDS.
I'm not a pediatrician so Idon't know those off the top of
my head, but it's not associated.
I mean as far as I'm aware likethere's a SIDS, isn't like fully
under, there's like a lot ofthings that we don't you know
and we don't you know we don'tunderstand all of them, right.
So like, yeah, that's, yeah,it's just, it can happen.
We're still like learning aboutthat.

(18:07):
Uh, the second one that's comearound a lot right now, as we've
seen with the hhs, is vaccinescause autism, which has been
resurrected from wakefield, whofaked the data, had his license
pulled and had the studyretracted, and then it has been
evaluated up down, down,sideways, backwards, inside out,
and no association with autismhas been found.

(18:29):
So what do you say he faked thedata?
They hired an anti-vaxxer tolead the autism study.
He's going to do really badmethods and what he's going to
do is find that vaccines causeautism and then they're going to
pretend a single study canoverwhelm the entire body of
literature Okay, and prove thatvaccines cause autism, even
though it's going to be garbageright?

Speaker 1 (18:48):
I want to ask you because, like the vaccine,
caused autism thing.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
That's going to be a big thing.
It's going to be a big thingsoon.
So I'd like to give maybepeople like some information to
kind of like look out for.
So you said that I forget theguy's name who originally came
up with the study, but like hefaked the data, can you give us
like a?
Dumb down version uh, yeah orwakefield the, the guy, the
original one that like was thehuge, like vaccines, caused
autism and freaked everyone outand then got retracted like the

(19:11):
original wakefield okay, yeah,wakefield.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
So, like you said, he faked.
So what he did is he took kidsyeah so what he did?

Speaker 2 (19:18):
he took the history from them about onset of
autistic type symptoms and whenthey got the vaccines and he was
actually working for a separatemeasles vaccine, like he was
trying to make that one soundsafer and then he changed the
history so it sounded like thesymptoms followed vaccination,
when a lot of them actually,when they were questioned later,

(19:39):
the symptoms actually predatedvaccination like warning
symptoms that they probably hadsome form of autism.
So he published claiming thatall the symptoms showed up after
the vaccine when in fact a lotof the symptoms predated
vaccination and he kind oftalked the parents into that and
it was a whole issue.
So then the paper was actuallyretracted quite late.

(20:00):
I don't remember exactly howmany years it stayed up, but it
was five or more years after itwas shown to be yeah, that it
was finally retracted.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
I did not know that, uh that long yeah it.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
It should have been retracted much sooner.
But he lost his license and isno longer allowed to practice.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
He's been stricken off do you think there goes
around similar?

Speaker 2 (20:19):
do you think that's something similar going forward
with this vaccine?
Or are they just gonna reallyjust like squint and look at the
data and turn it a little bitand be like kind of, if you do
this?
So there's one recent one thatcame out from another
anti-vaxxer I don't remember hisname that looked at the florida
data and they basically went tothe database, took people with
autism or other diagnoses ofneurodevelopmental disorders and

(20:41):
then looked at this databasethat kind of showed you're
vaccinated or not but didn'tactually confirm you're
vaccinated.
He looked over codes.
We give codes for basicallyevery visit, especially because
in the United States you billfor stuff, so every visit gets a
code.
So he looked for codes that mayhave been related to vaccination
and then tried to say the twolooked at the two groups.

(21:03):
So a group that didn't havethat code and a group that did.
The group that did have thecode showed higher rates of
autism.
However, he that code in agroup that did.
The group that did have thecode showed higher rates of
autism.
However, he did not count formany things that could have
affected that study.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
The first thing he didn't look at is whether the
kid was actually vaccinated.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
So a kid with a code that could be related yeah,
could be related to the vaccinemay not have gotten a vaccine.
They don't know which vaccinethey got.
Also, there's another systemthat he didn't look at in
florida, where you can get avaccine.
So some of his unvaccinatedgroup may have gotten a vaccine
through another system that hedidn't look at in Florida, where
you can get a vaccine.
So some of his unvaccinatedgroup may have gotten a vaccine
through another system and itwould have been captured in his
data set.
The last thing he didn't do ishe didn't account for how often
these people go to the doctor.

(21:38):
So to get a code for autism,you have to go to the doctor
with symptoms of autism and thedoctor has to do testing and say
, yeah, you have autism.
Now I'm going to assign a codeto autism If the parent doesn't
see a doctor despite the childshowing some signs of autism,
which can be subtle.
Like.
Autism is a spectrum.
Not everybody is thestereotypical what RFK Jr likes
to claim.
An autism person looks like.

(22:00):
His definition of autism waslike wild man.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
He thinks they're all banging their heads against the
wall, screaming and nonverbal.
That's what he thinks autism is, and they're not paying taxes
that's the most important partor they don't have to pay taxes.
Autistic people are suddenlyfree.
I don't know, but yeah, theydidn't actually like so.
If the unvaccinated groupdoesn't see doctors because they
don't trust them because ofvaccines, then their children
wouldn't get diagnosed withautism, so they wouldn't have a

(22:24):
diagnostic code.
That's the kind of studythey're going to do, you think?

Speaker 1 (22:27):
that's what they're going to do.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah, a bunch of confounders that are kind of
brushing over that they don'taccount for.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
And that's why they're pulling everybody's data
.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yeah, there's going to be an association, but
they're not going to be actuallyevaluated properly.
I feel like you can find acorrelation between most two
things if you just collectenough data and look at it.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
You can find pretty much anything you want.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
You saw the autism rate in organic food sales, or
like almost a perfectcorrelation there's also a
correlation between the autismrate and the amount of videos
that Liam has made.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
True, that's that the other thing that this shows is
I'm causing autism, damn.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
The autism rate likely has not increased that
much.
So there's two studies in theUK where they actually went back
to adults that were notdiagnosed with autism and when
you apply the new criteria forautism spectrum disorder it
comes out about one in 40 to onein 30 in that group of over 60
year olds, which is the numberthey're quoting now, about one
in 35.
Now it changes by population.

(23:24):
Some groups are higher risk,have more autism, some have a
little bit less, so it'll bouncearound.
But if you apply the newcriteria to old populations that
were never diagnosed, they'llcome up with numbers that are
pretty similar to today.
There might be small increasesfrom some risk factors, like
maternal age is related a bit toautism and families are delayed
.
In places like the unitedstates, like women do a career

(23:45):
first and then have kids like,so there are some factors that
could mildly increase theautistic rate, but it's not like
what he's showing.
Like yeah, right, because, yeah,like when I was a kid,
diagnosing for autism wasn'treally a thing yeah, it would be
the ones that stereotypical rfkjunior things are artistic like
it's really obvious that theyhave autism yeah, but they

(24:06):
wouldn't look at the who hasmild symptoms of autism.
Or weird or whatever.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
We were just like yeah, yeah, I was just the weird
kid.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah, there's a diagnosis known as pervasive
developmental disorder and thatdoesn't exist anymore.
That was folded into autism.
Okay, I didn't know that.
And Asperger's obviouslydoesn't exist anymore because he
was a schmaltzy.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
And his name got taken off.
I heard it wasn't.
That's why I didn't know whythe schmaltzies of all their
diseases.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
I didn't know that was why yeah, he didn't have
that anymore he was a schmaltzyso he experimented
inappropriately on people tocome up with that, unfortunately
, interesting there's anotherone called wagner's, who was?
Who was also a nazi.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
So now it's granulomatosis with polyangiitis
I definitely don't miss theasperger's because then you know
, especially with south park,right when they started really
digging into autism, I keptgetting the you got asperger's
of course, classic okay, sothat's kind of.
That's the other big myththat's going around, right now

(25:03):
okay, yeah yeah okay.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
The other big myth is that you don't need a hep b
vaccine as a baby.
That one comes around a lot why?
why I briefly hear that oneoccasionally they're like oh
it's an sti, why are you givingit to babies?
Babies don't have stis.
It's disgusting, like that'sthe kind of talk you get about
it.
So, number one, the big issuewith hepatitis B is it transmits

(25:29):
by blood.
So the actual main way ittransmits in the world is mother
to baby.
So if you test the mother andyou're in a country that they
don't have the capacity to testthe mother, then it accidentally
passes down to the baby quiteconsistently.
So that is the primary way thatpeople get hepatitis B.
You can also get it throughintimate relations.

(25:50):
I'm using like TikTok talk.
I don't know if the podcastmatters.
I'm avoiding terms that mightget banned on TikTok, I don't
know.
Or you can get it from likeneedle sticks, which is less
common than hep C, so they'relike oh, it's from sexual
transmission.
So you shouldn't give a vaccineto a baby.
The problem is, if you get itbefore the age of five, you have
about a 90 chance of gettingchronic hepatitis b, which can

(26:12):
lead to liver cancer, cirrhosisand lots of other things.
So it's a pretty big deal ifyou catch it that age.
If you're older, when you catchit, it's like a five to ten
percent chance of becomingchronic.
So you'll get acute hepatitis b.
You'll clear it and then youwon't have to worry about it.
So that's part of the reasonwhy we give it to babies.
Plus, I don't know how old yourdaughter is yet, like a year and

(26:32):
a bit, uh, 18 months, 19 monthssomewhere, like that yeah they
bite, they lick things, theystick things in their mouth gums
can bleed if you sharetoothbrushes, like there are
other ways to get hepatitis b.
I'd rather just be on the safeside, like yeah, let's make sure
she don't get it.
That'd be cool right the otherargument they make too is uh,

(26:54):
you can test the mother forhepatitis b, so she'd only
vaccinate if they're positive,which we also give an immune
globulin that binds hepatitis bup and prevents it wait, wait,
can I?
so wait, if the mother has itand you give the vaccine to the
baby after they're born, thebaby won't develop it.
It can help reduce the chancesof developing it.
Okay, we also give an immuneglobulin, so antibodies that are

(27:15):
already made against hepatitisB we give that as well, so it
attacks it right away.
However, the test isn't perfect, so we use this thing called
hepatitis B surface antigen totest for hepatitis B and there
are a false negative rate withit.
So there will be mothers thatare hepatitis B positive that

(27:35):
could pass it to the baby andwon't come up on the testing.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Well, not only that, that's not just the mother
that's doing stuff.
You could have some aunt thatreally wants to come in and kiss
the baby and she's got a cut onher lip or something.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yeah, so the blood to blood can happen too, but the
testing it won't catch itperfectly.
And they tried it in the UnitedStates.
They actually tried vaccinatingagainst hepatitis B in grade
school, which I missed.
I don't know if you're the sameage as me.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
I'm 33.
Rob 40.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
40.
So you probably got it inschool.
I just missed it.
I was like 3 years before theystarted doing it in school.
I'd still back say like I gotit after, but uh, so they tried
that and there was stillvertical transmission within the
United States.
So then they moved it to birth.
Because the woman's in thehospital, the baby's in the
hospital, the vaccine's righthere.

(28:26):
We're not going to forget aboutit.
Let's give the hepatitis Bvaccine to your child and it
actually reduced the rates ofhepatitis B transmission in the
United States even further, andthat's good.
Yes, getting hepatitis B is notsomething that you want.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Okay, yes, getting a MSB is not something that you
want.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
okay, so it goes to that whole like purity myth
though, like why they attack the, uh, the HPV vaccine.
Yeah, I've seen a lot of stuff.
I don't really I don't reallyknow too much about it, but I
see a lot of uh, the you knowdiscourse about it.
I guess, yeah, they do thatpurity thing like oh, if you
vaccinate against an STI, thenyou're going to increase the
risk of them havinginappropriate relationships and
blah, blah.
Why do you vaccinate?

(29:01):
Why do you vaccinate childrenfor an sti?
Uh, because you want to give itto them before they're exposed
to it.
Yeah, just a thought, yeah,yeah, yeah, I've always found
that argument very dumb.
Like with anything you're likeoh, don't give them condoms, god
forbid.
Like, then they'll just have sexmore like I'd rather have them
have some sort of protection.
That sounds like a good idea.

(29:23):
Uh shit, especially if you banabortion, they can't also your
little your little angel is notpregnant.
What are you gonna do likebetter to prevent it?

Speaker 1 (29:34):
people are definitely um really digging into the
whole vaccinating babies thing.
They even are calling thevitamin K shot a vaccine.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Oh, I've seen some.
Yeah, dr Jess, I think, wastalking about the vitamin K shot
.
People were real up in armsabout it.
It's the same thing you guysdeal with with food.
It's a synthetic form ofvitamin K.
Oh, it's not natural.
So, yeah, we should not natural, except your baby can bleed
into their brain and die orbecome severely disabled for the

(30:08):
rest of their life.
Yeah, so it's like oh, it's not, it's unnatural form of vitamin
k, so you shouldn't give themthe vitamin k job.
I want to give them these dropsinstead.
I bought from dr ten penny for80.
Counterpoint if evolution wantedus to have more vitamin k at
birth, we would have developedit.
Yeah, true, but yeah, they usethat emotional argument of oh,

(30:30):
you're giving it to a littlebaby, an innocent little baby.
Why would you stick them withneedles?
Uh, to protect them and letthem grow up to be adults.
Yeah, can I tell you myfavorite, just the best fucking
argument I love and I just Ihave to laugh at it, because if
you don't, you cry.
But it's just like what did wedo before X?

(30:51):
That's my favorite argument foranything ever.
What do we do before vaccines?
What do we do before we fuckingdied?
We fucking died in droves and alot like.
I saw somebody recently likethere was there's a woman
talking about like uh, she talksabout the bubonic plague and
they were like, what did we dobefore, back before?
Like you know, we could curethe bubonic plague like we died.

(31:12):
We just like a third of europedied, like we just died so much
we died, we died, and then wedied some more.
And I I that's so like thatargument is.
It's still my favorite, that'smy.
They use it all the time.
Uh, also this argument from rfkjr about the increase in
chronic disease, that's part ofit.
Vaccines are actually partlyresponsible for the increase in

(31:34):
chronic disease because they letyou live long enough to develop
a chronic disease.
So if you die at the age of 10,of course you're not enough to
develop a chronic disease.
So if you die at the age of 10,of course you're not going to
get diabetes, hypertension andheart disease, right.
So he's partially right there,but not the way he thinks.
So he's right and vaccines arecausing chronic disease.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
That's what you should take from this podcast.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Good night, everybody , yeah.
So, he's right, but not in theway he thinks that's so good.
Okay, I mean right, but not inthe way he thinks that's so good
.
Okay, what I mean?
What else do you see?
Uh, so you got the autism, yougot the hefty, you got any other
like major ones that you seelike all the time?
uh, the covid vaccine still ispushing the died, suddenly
saying that people gotmyocarditis or dropping I see
that a lot with athletes likethey talk about, like oh, look

(32:14):
at the athletes that are dyingquickly after like the what's,
what, the hell's up, what, what,what, what's going on?
So there was a blog that wentthrough all the news sources and
basically captured anybody whodied suddenly who was a athlete,
and they were very generousabout the word athlete.
So what they did is they took astudy that had actually looked

(32:35):
at making very specific criteria, looking at a very narrow group
of athletes it was definedquite narrowly and they took
that rate and claimed that wasthe rate of all athletes dying.
And then they took, like therewas like a guy that was biking
up a hill who was like 60.
They called him an athlete.
There was a guy in the gym thatwas I don't know doing

(32:56):
something.
They called him an athlete.
Like you basically had to beathletic adjacent to end up on
this blog.
And then they calculated therate from that and are like,
look how high the rate iscompared to previously.
So I actually went through theentire blog two years of it and
applied the criteria from thestudy to the blog and actually,
like looked up all the athletesto see if there was an updated

(33:17):
cause of death or anything likethat the athletes to see if
there was an updated cause ofdeath or anything like that.
Yeah, and it was exactly thesame as the study.
I'm that big of a nerd, yes, Ispent like going through the
stupid blog.
But they've also done more.
They've done a study in thencaa looking at 10 years of the
cardiac arrest.
So it's all ncaa athletes.
So they're relatively highlevel athletes, uh, that
participate regularly in sportsand train, and there was no

(33:39):
change in the death rate for thetwo years into the COVID
pandemic of vaccination.
So the sudden cardiac deathrate did not change.
We also have multiple studieslooking.
So what they do is they takeyou, they look at the time
before you got the vaccine andhow many people in the
population died, and then theylook after the vaccine and you
serve as your own control.
So then they see if the morepeople were dying in the time

(34:01):
before than after, and it wasexactly the same in young people
.
So there's no signs ofincreased death post-covid
vaccination.
Now there have been a fewpeople that have died post-covid
vaccination, but it's notenough to actually raise the
rate.
So, as we said, there were sixin canada that was from the
astrazeneca vaccine, thatclotting problem where the
platelets dropped, and it alsooccurred in the United States.

(34:23):
There's about nine in theUnited States and there were a
couple confirmed myocarditisdeaths, but again not enough to
actually increase the death ratein the population.
So died suddenly is not a thing.
Yeah, because every time I seelike an athlete get injured on

(34:46):
social media like the top likedid you get the vaccine though?

Speaker 1 (34:47):
like it's not even, like it's like you get like
injured, like falling over andlike, oh, fucking vaccine got
you man.
That's why you tripped man.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
All soccer players must have got the vaccine then,
yeah, well then I've gone backto and you can limit google to
the time period, so I've gonelike pre-pandemic and then
looked for sudden death ofathlete.
And then you show them thatyou're like, oh, look at all
these people that died and stuff.
And they're like, yeah, vaccine, vaccine.
And then you show them the date.
You're like, yeah, you're justbiased because you're thinking
about it and now you're noticingit more I love that.

(35:12):
It's like you buy a volkswagen,right?
You didn't know thosevolkswagens before.
Now you have a new volkswagen.
Suddenly you're seeingvolkswagens everywhere.
Does everyone suddenly go andbuy a volkswagen with you?
No, you just didn't think aboutvolkswagens until you bought
one.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
I was trying now I'm gonna be thinking about
volkswagen the rest of the day.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yeah, I was trying to think about like a world war ii
joke with volkswagen, butnothing really came together.
Hey now, hey now I have a call.
Far, they apologized, theydenounced.
That's great uh, the other theother big covid one is turbo
cancer.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Oh yes, Turbo cancer.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Turbo cancer.
Oh, he's in Alberta.
That's why, robin Dr Mackis,william Mackis.
So they claim that, since it'san mRNA vaccine, it gets into
your genome, changes your genomeand causes cancer, which is not
something, and they're claimingit April 2021.
Now most of the populationstarted getting vaccinated march
2021.
There is not a carcinogen onearth that would give you cancer

(36:05):
within a month of getting it orbeing exposed to it, right like
hiroshima nagasaki.
The blood cancer started fiveyears later.
The solid cancer started 10years later.
That's ionizing radiation, likethey got blasted with radiation
.
So this?
So what you're saying is thevaccine is so powerful that it
just trumps ionizing radiation,but it doesn't work for anything

(36:26):
else.
But it works really well withthat Right?
So it's both completelyineffective, according to them,
but like the most potentcarcinogen ever yeah, that's
great.
Turbo cancer sounds like Idon't know, like, yeah, like
cancer.
Sounds like I don't know.
Like, yeah, like a south parkcharacter or something.
Yeah, they use the study toshowing that young people
cancers have increased andthey're like oh, it's since 2021
.
The study was actually from2009 to 2019, so there is a slow

(36:50):
increase in cancers in youngpeople under 40, which I don't
qualify for anymore,unfortunately.
Uh, that's been slowly going onsince 1990, which is probably
all the stuff we see fordiabetes, heart disease, all
that inactivity, not eatingfiber, not eating vegetables,
like the usual Increasedpollution.
Yeah, those kinds of things so,but they use that to claim that

(37:12):
turbo cancer in young people areincreasing and I'm like the
study ended in 2019.
So how does that work?
Time traveling, vaccines again,so it's more.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
It's so much more powerful than ionizing radiation
that it can travel time.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Yeah, and give you cancer retrospectively.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Turbo cancer oh shit, it sounds like.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
I know what I'm going , as for Halloween, that's for
sure.
Oh there, you guys know NaomiWolf.
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
She's a PhD in Englishliterature who has apparently
gone through the Pfizerdocuments and found all this
Like she just made hilariousmistakes.
She actually has a tweet sayingthat she overheard someone
talking about time travelingvaccines.
That's where I got that from.

(37:51):
She said this seriously.
She's not kidding.
I mean, I can't say I'msurprised, and I bet you quite a
few people believed it too.
Their bias is already so strongLike, whatever they say, it
doesn't really matter.
Fucking dinosaurs gave it to us, damn it.
Yeah, they'll listen to a PhD inEnglish literature over me,
right, because they say whatthey like to hear.
Yeah, that's so great, okay,any other ones you got for us

(38:14):
that come up a lot for likevaccines Like, don't get it
because blah, blah blah.
So law for like vaccines likedon't get it because blah blah,
blah are those guys.
So the other ones are like thedisease isn't that bad.
That's kind of what's come upwith.
Measles this a lot, yeah, yeah,the measles one.
They're like oh, it's justmeasles, you get like a cold for
a little bit, then you're good.
It's based on the brady bunchepisode where they're like oh,
the baby bunch said measleswasn't bad, so apparently it's

(38:35):
not bad, so it does kill.
It kills quite frequently.
Uh, most of these people don'trealize children aren't supposed
to die.
I I don't know how they didn'trealize this, because even covet
you saw, they're like oh, therate of death in in 20 year olds
was way lower than 80 year olds, so they don't need to worry
about it.
It's like that's not how youcompare deaths.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Apparently, the only children that aren't supposed to
die are in the womb.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah, once they're out of the womb, who cares?
Open season.
So even your premier, danielSmith, commissioned a paper
where they were like, oh, thedeath rate from a 20-year-old
compared to an 80-year-old fromCOVID was like 18 times or
something.
So I actually went to the deathtables for Stats Canada and

(39:22):
looked pre-pandemic at what thedeath rate in 18-year-olds
compared to 60-year-olds was,and it was 18 times.
So young people die less,obviously, but if you have
something that's suddenly comingup and killing more, that's a
big deal.
Like COVID became the eighthleading cause of death in
children.
So they argue this with measlesas well, right.
So we've had possibly threedeaths so far in the united
states from measles.
One was found at home, uh, andtested positive for measles post

(39:45):
, and I haven't seen the actualautopsy yet, so that one's not
fully confirmed yet.
But the other two weredefinitely measles and there's
other complications of measles.
So you get encephalitis, youcan get hearing loss, you can
get vision problems.
There's this thing called sspe.
So what happens is measleshides in the brain and then five
, ten years later it wakes upagain and you die.

(40:07):
So your brain deteriorates overweeks and you die.
There's no treatment.
There's no way to prevent itthere was one way to prevent it,
and the one way to prevent isto get vaccinated and not catch
measles.
But right, so these childrencan just suddenly die five, ten
years later and not realize thatthey're at risk for this.
So that's what they argue.
They argue, oh, but the deathrate's only like one in 200.

(40:28):
That's not that big of a deal.
Before the vaccine thereweren't that many people dying,
only this many a year.
Like they keep doing all theseridiculous things.
The other thing they love to dois they take the cause of death
and divide it by a hugepopulation.
So if I take the number ofpeople in the world who die of
cancer and divide it by thepopulation of the world, I'm
going to get a really tinypercentage, right, and then I'm

(40:50):
going to be like, well, we don'tneed to worry about cancer.
Look how tiny the percentage is.
That's what they do.
So they don't actually look atthe rates or anything like that,
but like even to be 1 in 200seems like a lot.
It'll like when there's, whenyou have like thousands or
millions of people getting, youknow, an infection, a disease,
whatever.
That that adds up pretty fast.
Yeah, I think in Samoa, whichwas that outbreak.

(41:12):
We can't say too much about itbecause rfk juniors actually
sued people over this, but uh,in samoa, where the outbreak
happens in 2019, their deathrate was about 180, so they had
quite a few people die ofmeasles during that outbreak.
Uh the united.
If the united states numbers arecorrect, they're at about 1 in
200 right now.
If all three deaths are due tomeasles.

(41:32):
So I mean the death rate, theyargue oh, it's because vitamin a
deficiency in those othercountries.
That's why they die.
Yeah, what the fuck, what is upwith this vitamin a?
And they're just, and rfk isjust like give them vitamin a,
like give them some carrots orlike a liver, whatever, like
what's going on?
So there's evidence that invery deprived countries where
people are vitamin a deficient,vitamin a can increase your

(41:53):
chances of surviving measles, sonot having severe measles.
However, the united states,even though there are some
nutrition problems, it's notreally a deficiency of vitamin a
.
So most people in the unitedstates aren't deficient in
vitamin a, so adding extravitamin a is actually causing
toxicity problems.
So they've had people admittedto the hospitals with vitamin a
toxicity because it's a fatsoluble vitamin.

(42:14):
It's part of the, the ADEKaddict, and you don't get rid of
it very easily.
So it can build up in thetissue, cause liver failure and
a bunch of other issues.
So being deficient in somethingmakes other things worse.
That's pretty much the story ofthat.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Yeah, got it.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
And this is a common like.
You probably see this all thetime with the wellness grifters,
right?
So if fixing the deficiency inthe vitamin fixes this symptom,
then more of the vitamin mustfix that symptom, if you have it
right.
Right, that's why we should allhave our cholesterol super high
, because cholesterol isimportant for so many things.
So we just need morecholesterol in our body at all

(42:51):
times you're talking to meyou're talking about the keto
study.
I'm not going to do too much ofthe keto study because Dr Eads
pretty much destroyed it.
Oh, okay, that one.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Yeah, okay, now I know.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
The keto cholesterol one, where the cholesterol is
all through the roof Right.
They're like, yeah, that's good, all these 20-year-olds, their
plaques got thicker, but that'sfine.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Yeah, yeah.
It's definitely a really bigannoyance, though, that a lot of
the people focus entirely ondeaths related to these things
and have no thought about anychronic conditions that occurred
because of them lots ofdisability from these infections
, including covet, like there'slots of disability.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Just imagine so you're a young person.
You got sick enough to go tothe icu.
Your kidneys failed, you gotconfusion in the icu.
We had to intubate you, you gota pneumonia on top of it from
the ventilator.
You got muscle weakness frombeing in the icu and put feeding
tube in.
Your quality of life is goingto be terrible, yeah, afterwards
and you could recover, but it'sgoing to take several years to

(43:58):
recover from that.
Plus there's other issues likeptsd, post all this because you
have people like jamming thingsdown your throat and stuff and
you're confused, you don't knowwhat's happening and it's pretty
scary, right.
So there's lots of issues andcome out of this and also lead
to an increased death rateafterwards as well.
Like people that have kidneyfailures are increased risk of
death years later, so they don'trealize all these other things

(44:20):
that happen.
So just because you didn't diewithin 14 days of having your
covet infection doesn't meanthat covet didn't have a huge
negative impact on yourtrajectory in your life and yeah
the one I I always hear um islike well, that disease isn't
around anymore, so why protectagainst a disease that's no
longer here polio, yeah, polio'sgone, we don't need the polio

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vaccine anymore, right?
So there's several issues withthis argument.
Number one they say oh, westill vaccinate even though the
disease is gone.
Well, how many of us havegotten the smallpox vaccine?
Um, not that I can remember.
I didn't.
I got cowpox.
No, you're younger than me, soyou didn't.
So once it was eradicated sooff the earth, no longer

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spreading amongst people then westopped giving the vaccine.
Okay, polio is not eradicated.
It's eliminated from the unitedstates, meaning that it's not
transmitting locally in theunited states, but it's still
elsewhere in the worldtransmitting.
So people can travel.
Polio is a very long incubationvirus, so it can take weeks
before you start shedding enoughto send other people.
You don't realize you have it,so you can travel and spread it

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and all those different things.
So we still give the vaccinebecause, let's say, somebody
comes into the country even withmeasles like measles is super
infectious right, it's got an r0of 16.
So r0 means on average how manypeople the one infected person
is going to infect.
So 16 is through the roof.
Covid was like two right, so 16is really high.

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So if somebody comes into yourcountry and nobody's vaccinated,
it'll affect 16 people.
Infect 16 people infect 16people infect 16 people.
People are vaccinated.
There's still a barrier there,right.
So you may infect a couplepeople that have been vaccinated
that maybe are a bit weakerimmune system or just got a huge
load of the virus from you,like you cough right in their

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face or something, but thosepeople won't develop as much
sickness or as much shedding, sothey won't spread it to as many
people.
And those people are alsovaccinated.
So you can see it just kind ofpeters out, right, you can't
actually establish it back inthe population.
The other thing that SHIELDdoes is there's this guy back
here who can't get vaccinated.
He's immunocompromised.
The measles vaccine is a livevaccine.

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I can't give this person a livevaccine.
So if he's living in apopulation with nobody
vaccinated, it spreads, itspreads, it spreads.
It gets to them, right, andthen they get sick and they have
no choice.
They're gonna get sick.
If people are vaccinated, itpeters out and then can't hit
that person who's vulnerableright, that's like that's
practically medical socialism itis medical socialism, so we

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can't have that in America.
They like immune capitalism.
If you work hard enough, you doCrossFit, you eat clean and
paleo, you get your liversupplements in the mail sent to
you for $200 a pop.
Then you worked hard, youboosted your immune system and
you're going to dominate.
So that's immune capitalism.
I don't survive diseases.

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I destroy them.
Um, uh, no, I was just gonna askwhat's so like with herd
immunity?
Like I know, there's apercentage of the population
that has to be like vaccinatedbefore.
Like it's it it's the facts orthe disease wouldn't really
spread.
Like what percentage of peopleneed to be like?
It depends on the disease.
Wouldn't really spread.
Like what percentage of peopleneed to be like vaccinated, it
depends on the disease.

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So it depends on the R0 of thedisease and how infectious it is
.
So one of the big ones we get isthe COVID vaccine didn't work
because it's still spreaddespite people being vaccinated,
which is correct.
It did, and some people in themedia actually overstated the
vaccine.
Stopping COVID right.
Like Rachel Maddow, they alwaysput these clips up.
So stopping COVID right.

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Like Rachel Maddow, they alwaysput these clips up.
So what happens?
The difference there is polio,measles.
Those are all long incubationviruses.
So they get into you.
They got to grow, grow, grow,grow, grow and then you get
symptoms and start shedding itto people.
So in that case, when you get avaccine you make antibodies.
But you don't want tocontinuously make high levels of
antibodies because then yourbody would be gummed up with

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proteins, right?
So you assign some cells to belike, hey, if this comes back,
it's your job.
To suddenly make a ton ofantibodies against this.
That takes a little time.
So with a long incubation virus, if you've been vaccinated,
those cells can wake up in timewhile it's growing and growing
and growing and make enoughantibodies to kind of stop it
from causing symptomatic disease.

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In a short incubation virus,which is influenza COVID, the
incubation is like five days forCOVID your body can't build the
antibody response up again.
So if you've recently gotvaccinated, you'll have tons of
antibodies circulating becauseyou just had the vaccine and you
can block the virus frominfecting you.
Later months later you're notgoing to be able to block the
virus, the virus for infectingyou.
Later months later you're notgoing to be able to block the
virus as well from infecting you.

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But before it can build up andcause severe disease and put you
in the hospital or kill you,you'll get that antibody
response and it will stop thedisease from being severe.
So that's something a lot ofpeople don't understand about.
So with herd immunity.
It's easier to get herdimmunity with a long incubation
virus because you can protectpeople against symptomatic and
shedding disease because theantibody response can build up.

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So that'd be like polio,measles, uh, pertussis, those
kind of diseases, whereas with adisease like covid or flu it's
hard to stop it in its tracksbecause your antibody response
takes a little bit of time andpeople will still catch it but
they won't die at the same ratefrom it and that's also part of
why we had to get a new shotevery year yeah, plus, the

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variant also makes theantibodies stick less to it, so
it still can stick to it, butnot as many spots and your
bodies aren't as good ateliminating the virus.
I thought the main reason we gotthe boosters is to give people
an insult to give against uslike you're on your fifth
booster that's also to givepharma the money right, and me
apparently, even though I don'tactually administer the vaccines

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.
Apparently I was paid foreveryone yeah, you must be rich
yeah, that argument's nevergonna go away, just like you
paid for this or whatever.
Anybody who like disagrees withthem, whether it's on vaccines
or I don't even aspartame orwhatever it is yeah, you're just
paid by big blank.
It doesn't, it does, and thenthat's enough, for I would say
like 70 of the people who don'tlike it be like yeah, there you

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go, done.
Yeah, the funniest thing wasthey.
Apparently my province did puta code in for counseling people
about vaccine hesitancy that youpaid.
I don't remember how much yougot paid for.
I only found out about itbecause an anti-vaxxer posted it
and said well, you made allthis money and I'm like it was
three years in and I'm like Icounseled so many people.

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I could have made a lot ofmoney off this code and I
totally didn't.
Thanks for showing me now.
So basically, for vaccines inCanada, we only get paid for the
act of administering anintramuscular injection.
So, whatever's in the syringe,if I prep your side, stick
something in your muscle, I getpaid a flat rate, regardless of

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what I give you.
So if it's vitamin B12, if it'sa vaccine Saline, saline, for
some reason yeah I, I get thesame, the same fee.
It's just for the act, like ifmy nurse gives it, though I
don't get paid when my nursegives most of the vaccines so
your nurse is rich, then shedoes.
She has just paid a salary.
She doesn't get paid per doseit's actually legal socialized

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medicine.
It's illegal for us to getkickbacks as well.
In the United States as well,drug companies can't pay us to
prescribe their meds.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
I hear Sorry.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Oakley's waking up from a nap and she's just like
screaming her head off.
Now she just wakes up, angryman.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
She was vaccinated.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
She probably heard about all this anti-vaccine
rhetoric and she's just madabout it.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
It's like I got those .

Speaker 2 (51:54):
It's like I got those .
It's probably a side effectfrom the vaccine.
To be honest, like WilliamMackus says, suicides are caused
by vaccines.
So Wow, I'm serious.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Wow.
It's ridiculous, I hadn't heardthat one.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
No matter what disease you say they're like oh,
it's caused by vaccines.
Yeah, pretty much Seems thatway right.
There's a recent study out ofFlorida where they did a
negative control for vaccinesand they used suicide because
they wouldn't believe any otherdisease couldn't be caused by
vaccines wow, oakley is reallyupset about that I mean, that's,
this is, this is my life righthere.

(52:25):
I'm gonna go take care of that.
So, before we go, like anyanything else, anything else you
want to tell people aboutvaccines or, you know, help them
, lessen their worries?
Well, well, I'm already sorryfor the US because you're
probably not going to have fallvaccines based on the way things
are going.
My biggest points would benumber one be very wary of
studies coming out of the CDCright now.

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Talk to trusted experts andeverything to evaluate those
studies, because the goals andthe people they've hired to do
these studies are not qualifiedand I suspect that they're going
to and very biased.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Yeah, and the people?

Speaker 2 (52:57):
they've hired to do these studies are not qualified
and I suspect that they're goingto come out with findings that
are not true.
Number two vaccines are safeand effective.
Talk to your health careprovider.
The people that can do the mostgood are the people like your
personal physicians and allthose things that you trust and
you've had a relationship withthat can answer your questions
and go over all the issues andthings that you have with
vaccines.
And number three there are sideeffects of vaccines.

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However, they pale incomparison to the diseases we're
protecting you against.
So please do get vaccinated.
And in most countries, if youdo get a really rare side effect
, you can get compensation.
So please do get vaccinated.
Vaccines are safe and effective.
They do work.
They're one of the best publichealth things we've done in a
long time, along with washinghands and putting fluoride in

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the water.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
It's sad that we had to say washing hands is one of
the best things we've done.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Isn't Peter Hegstuff the guy that said on Fox News he
doesn't wash his hands?
The head of your Department ofDefense now doesn't?

Speaker 1 (53:52):
wash his hands Sounds about right.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Department of Defense now doesn't wash his hands.
Oh, I think I did hear that.
Yeah, stupid hand washing andfluoride vaccines.
We're getting rid of all of it.
We're going back to the oldways.
Remember what did we?
do before that we were fine.
We were totally fine.
Tuberculosis took out the weakones and we were good and

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everybody else was fine.
Where can people find you ifthey want to know more about
vaccines and how and you knowhow they might be okay and how
much you get paid for them?
Oh, I get paid a lot.
I'm on almost everything.
I'm on, uh, oh, mean blank.
I'm on tiktok at dr john l.
I'm on instagram and threads drjohn lx.
I am on.
Don't go to twitter.
I'm not going to advertisetwitter.
Uh, I'm on blue sky as, uh,jonathan laxton.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
And those are my main ones all right, then I think uh
, liam has a screaming child.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Yeah, I'm gonna go, not be my worst, and try and do
what I can here no promises,because it's probably still
gonna be rough, but we do itanyway.
I do have a question though.
When you put her down for a nap, do you say k?
Bye?
She hasn't learned really manywords yet.
Pretty much the only thing sheknows is rubble from Paw Patrol.
She says rubble a lot.
She's going to start sayingk-bye pretty soon.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Honestly, Oakley's just upset that you didn't give
her the middle name Danger.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
All right, you cut out.
I can't hear you.
I got to get out of here.
She's getting.