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October 8, 2019 25 mins

Amy Elisa Jackson’s conversation with Brené Brown is real, open, and  reveals what courage, vulnerability, and sobriety look like in real life. Brené talks about living in Beta, the twists and turns and detours of her life, and how she learned more about empathy and people in her twelve-year journey of bartending, waiting tables, and hitchhiking through Europe than she ever could in classrooms.  

She has championed vulnerability as the crucial ingredient to build successful leadership skills. To be vulnerable is to be brave — you can’t have one without the other. Together they make the quality we call leadership.

“If you can't be brave, you can't lead,” she says in the interview. “And you can't be brave if you're tapping out of hard conversations about painful, hard topics. That's what it means to lead. That's why there are so few courageous leaders.”

Brené Brown’s TED Talk about the power of vulnerability has been watched more than 43 million times. She  is the author of five #1 New York Times bestsellers: The Gifts of Imperfection, Daring Greatly, Rising Strong, Braving the Wilderness, and Dare to Lead. Her most recent book was released in October 2018 and is the culmination of a seven-year study on the future of leadership.

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