Snow Day!

In this episode, SamCat is back in the studio with Shawn as they discuss being snowed in in Nashville, TN. They also dive into RipCat's adventures in Hawaii. Shawn gives an update on his life as a dad and they have an important conversation about maternity leave policies and the need to support parents during the "fourth trimester." They express their outrage at the short duration of maternity leave and advocate for longer and more comprehensive policies. To wrap things up, they have a fun "final four" segment where they talk about their favorite things about snow storms! 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome back to In the Booth.
I'm Sean Booth and thank youguys for tuning in.
Wherever you're listening from,maybe you are in Miami, florida
today, which is probably alittle bit warmer than where we
are.
Maybe you're from Somerville,south Carolina, or Newport Views
, virginia.
Never heard of that.
Newport News, have you heard ofthat?
No, thanks for tuning in.

(00:30):
And we've got her.
She's back in the studio,coming back from Hawaii.
She's been living the dream andshe came right back to Snow in
Nashville, tennessee, and she iswearing an Old Dominion beanie.
She's wearing a pink sweatshirtthat looks like Walter got

(00:54):
ahold of it, and black jeans.
We've got Rip Cat back in thebuilding.
Rip Cat.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
I like that.
There's also a Rip in my jeansright there.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Oh wow, that's like a Rip in the ass.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah, I didn't.
Actually funny story about thatI found I've talked about it
before.
Curve Love Denim fromAbercrombie.
It's my favorite because itactually fits me.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
And I obviously not an ad yet.
Hey, let's manifest that.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
I bought these jeans because they were the right size
.
I did not click through all ofthe photos, so when I got it
there was a Rip in the ass.
I was like what the hell isthis?
And so I go to return them atAbercrombie and they're like
ma'am, this is the style of thejean, and I have never felt like
more of a boomer in my life.
So that was apparently plannedand I was like, well, you know
what?
I'm just leaning into this.

(01:43):
I'm going to look like a cuteGen Z, even though I completely
exposed myself, trying to returnthese jeans because I thought
there was a problem with it, andI felt like my dad, all those
years being like you pay for allthose holes in your jeans and
there you are.
I sure did.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
That's an edgy look.
It's like that should be behindlike a paywall, like Patreon.
Get an exclusive look at whatSam Katz is wearing here today.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
I don't know, I might have to charge extra for the
ass rip.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, the ass rip.
You can find that on YouTuberight now If you're watching.
Welcome back.
And Sam Katz, where the hellyou been?

Speaker 2 (02:13):
I feel like I haven't been here in forever.
I was actually trying toprocess that last night.
I have not spent more than Idon't know maybe three days in
Nashville since beforeThanksgiving, and it is January
20, something right now.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
I don't even know.
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
It has been a wild ride, but I did.
I went home for Christmas andhad a great time there, got to
see my family, came backimmediately, had a show with Old
Dominion for the New Year's Eveyou know rock and countdown,
abc, whatever.
Obviously the ball drops atmidnight, that show wraps up and
I am on a plane at 7am thefollowing morning to Hawaii.
We had a couple shows out thereso I did do some work and then

(02:49):
I stayed after in vacationed,but we did.
Our first stop was Honolulu,waikiki Beach area.
Yeah, I have to say, have youever been there?

Speaker 1 (03:00):
I have been to all the islands and Honolulu is
fantastic.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Hawaii is my favorite .
I've told you this milliontimes.
Yes, long answer is short.
I've been there.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Have you okay?
So I'm asking because onHonolulu we did there's Diamond
Head hike.
It's like very popular there.
We were going to go there.
Apparently you need to make areservation after COVID.
So, heads up, if you're goingto Honolulu and you want to do
that hike, you have to makereservation to hike.
I didn't realize that that wasa thing, because that seems
insane to me.
But whatever.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah, that's the island where Pearl Harbor is
Correct.
Yes, I did a hike there, whichis also weird, yeah, because
there's a lot of Japanese peoplethere.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Well, that's also true, that's also true I was
there.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
I was like this feels kind of weird.
Are you guys like celebratingright now, being like, yep, this
is what we did.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
I did not put that together until right now, but
you're not wrong, okay, anyways.
So Diamond Head, we have a Uberdriver who was dropping us off
and he was just like you guys,didn't make a reservation.
He was a local.
He's lived there forever.
He gave us a fantastic tour ofthe island on our way there.
He's like, well, there's a hikenot too far from here, I won't
charge you to drop you off.
It's a little strenuous.

(04:09):
It's a Cocoa Head crater.
And we're like, okay, he's likeit's just steps.
It's like wooden steps up thehill and we're like, oh, perfect
, sean, when I tell you that itwas the hardest thing I have
voluntarily done for fun in myentire life, it was 1100 steps
almost vertical At one point.
There's no ground in between,so it's just wooden slats,

(04:31):
almost like a railroad.
I had to stop multiple timesand, like you know, there's the
guys that are the heroes thathave no shirt on.
They're like running it fortheir morning workout.
There are children not wearingshoes, just like pouncing right
by you, but then there's also80% of us who are completely
winded.
I thought I was like.
First of all, I drank like anentire bottle of champagne the
night before.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
How are you feeling from the night before, cause I
know you weren't doing thatsober.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
No, I was actually.
I just had a little bit ofLamarca.
Let me tell you when you'reburping up Lamarca the next
morning on an 1100 step verticalhike, it's rough.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
What's the hike called?

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Cocoa Head, Cocoa Head crater, something like that
.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
It was so hard.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
It was so hard.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
It sounds like in Vancouver there's a huge hike
mountainous called the GrouseGrind.
And it's like vertical Becauseit takes like an hour or so for
some people to get up it.
But people work out there everymorning where they're trying to
run up and see how fast theycan do it.
But I just Googled the 1000steps along an abandoned

(05:33):
railroad track.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
It is insane and it was awesome.
When you get to the top it's360 views, breathtaking.
I did a handstand up there.
It was pretty cool, Damn.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
I'm jealous.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
I would recommend you to do it.
The thing is that I was just soI don't know I go back and
forth.
I was talking about it withother people.
I was doing it with it's likedid it help us or hurt us that
we were so unprepared?

Speaker 1 (05:56):
I think, almost like the I was naive and I didn't
know what I was getting into.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
It's just like well, we might as well try.
And then, by the time Irealized that I was going to
pass away, we were far enough inthat it's like well, we might
as well finish.
So we just took our time.
Nobody was trying to be a hero.
My biggest problem was that Ihad a backpack with all my stuff
for the beach afterwards, whichwas not light, so I made one of
the guys that I was withKariott.
He was very nice gentleman.

(06:20):
I was like thank you so muchfor doing that for me.
But I say all that to say thatI do recommend it.
Just maybe don't drink a bottleof LaMarca the night before.
And when you get to the top itis insane.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Beautiful.
It's worth it, you can see sofar.
It says that it's a challenginghike that will challenge not
only your leg strength, but yourwill as well.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
It absolutely does, because you feel like you make
progress and then you look upand you're like, oh my God,
we've done nothing.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
I'm jealous.
I want to do this hike so bad.
You know me, I love that sickshit.
You would love it yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
And it was.
You know, there are some people, like I said, who are working
out, and even they were verytired, which made me feel a
little bit better.
I was like, okay, and I waswith people that are, you know,
retired athletes like myself,all the way down to people who
have never worked out a day intheir life, and we all made it
up.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
It's like a railroad track that you're walking up
that they built specifically forthe hike.
There's no trains going upthere.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
I don't know the origin of it.
Well, they do because, like, atthe top there was a Christmas
tree.
So they use the railroad tobasically maintain the path and
also add signage and whatever.
Yeah, so right there with thatlady sitting, that's what I was
saying.
There's no ground underneath it.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Like it's just a straight through down to like
don't slip, because you willsplit that railroad beam and
never be able to have children.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
That's wild.
That looks awesome.
I want to hike in Hawaii.
I don't know which one it was.
It was actually like a privateone that they took us on and it
was like you got to go throughsome guys backyard and through
these like fences yeah, butthose were the best ones.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
No, it was the best.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Nobody was up there, but it was gorgeous, gorgeous,
and I always say why is myfavorite place on earth?
I feel like once you get offthe plane, it just like the air
is just different, just feelsdifferent, smells different and,
like we were talking about onthe way in, you got the perfect
mix of, like, a little bit ofcity, but it's also very chill,
low key.
You got the mountains to hike,you got the beach.

(08:12):
You got a little bit ofeverything.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
I couldn't agree more .
I don't know what myexpectations were.
I had never been to anyHawaiian islands before this.
I don't know what myexpectations were, but I do know
that everything was surpassedbecause, like, we started in
Honolulu, oahu, and then wemoved to Maui.
So that's when we were doing.
We had a show there, but youknow, we did a cat and ran day,
I did the hike, we had time off.
We did the same thing.

(08:36):
There was a songwriter'sfestival that raised money for
the Maui fires, and then we alsohad our own Old Dominion show,
which, I do have to say, thecrowds were not as big as what
we have had on the mainland butthey were twice as loud.
Those people knew every word toevery Old Dominion song, and Old
Dominion has a song calledHawaii, which I have been

(08:59):
looking forward to for the likeentire 2023 to hear Hawaii in
Hawaii.
Yeah, it was like oh it likemade me emotional.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Really.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
It was just.
It's a lovely song to beginwith and it's just such a groove
, but then to see part of thething that Matthew Ramsey, the
lead singer, passes out Hawaiianlays during that song whether
on the mainland or not, we didhave to step up our game.
Usually we do like a littleparty city flower lay when we're
on the mainland.
In Hawaii we did actual freshflower lays and it was.
I don't I feel like emotionaldoesn't really do it justice,

(09:32):
but it was.
I don't know.
It's just so lovely to see,especially the people in Maui,
the amount of people thatthanked us for coming because
they're like this is a reallyhard year for us.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
And so I feel like that song was written about
their home and they connectedwith that and it's just really
beautiful and I was kind ofsurprised at how much I was like
feeling it yeah.
I was like, wow, this is sospecial for them and it's kind
of one of those things that nowwe consume news so quickly that
we almost get desensitized tothings that are as tragic as Of

(10:02):
course, because it's huge newsfor a week and then you forget
about it but the people who werethere can't forget about it,
and it was just kind of puttinga face with that tragedy and
hearing and meeting people wholived through it.
It just, it definitely changesyour perspective.
So I feel like that wasprobably the biggest surprise of
my trip of being emotionalabout a song that I've heard 250

(10:23):
million times at every othershow, but for some reason it was
much different there, of course.
And then we wrapped it all up.
I extended my trip for vacationfor about four days.
Afterwards I went to the bigisland, kona.
That was that's the one that Itold you I could move to.
It was exactly what I wanted,what I needed.
We were supposed to fly out onSaturday night, we had a couple

(10:45):
cocktails and we were just likeyou know what, let's extend our
trip.
How can we do this?
Our goal was we had to do itfor less than $500.
So the tour manager and I andour assistant tour manager I
feel like we could be on amazinggrace because we kind of do
that for a living and I was likewe are going to figure this out
for less than $500 for the twoof us to stay for three and a

(11:06):
half extra days.
And we did it and we did it.
Oh yeah, southwest points,marriott, bonvoy points.
Thank you, that's why I collectthem All the points.
I cashed those in and we stayedfor three and a half extra days
at a Marriott there, and it was.
I read two books.
I got a little bit of a tan, myfirst tan in like a decade.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Oh yeah, you're kind of tan.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
I know it's really hard for me to tan Sean Kind of
tan.
It's kind of it'll be gone bynext week.
So, soak it in for now.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
And yeah, that's a long-winded update of Hawaii and
definitely stole my heart.
I will definitely be going backBest.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
The drinks taste better too.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Everything is better.
I feel like I lost weight and Iwas eating and drinking like a
fool, but everything was freshFood's good.
Yeah, I'm actually 80% ahi tunaright now.
I can't tell you how many pokebowls in ahi tuna I ate over the
last ten days.
Don't call me that.
You're staying with Ripcattoday.
You already named me.
We're moving on.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
You know what they called me in Hawaii when I was
there.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
I can only imagine.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
The waiters and the waitresses and service.
They called me the Mai TaiKiller.
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Well, my first dog as a child was named Mai Tai, so I
feel like that resonates withme a little bit differently.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, but there is one day on the beach where I
must have had like 18 of thosethings.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Those are so sweet.
How did you have 18?
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
I just stuck with it and I went with it all day.
So the rest of the week theycome in Mai Tai killer.
So everywhere I went, they justgive me Mai Tai's Like bring
them all in.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Wow, did you go there for your past life being
partially famous on TV?
Yeah, that was a VIP trip.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah, that was like the five, four seasons it just
opened and really Nobody was inthe resort, oh nice.
It was us like, the staff andlike, and the producers?
No, no producers either.
Oh damn, that was after theshow oh, they were like, gave us
a little trip and so we had,like, our own little beach and
it was wild.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Oh, look at you, you bougie.
Yeah, Anyways, what have youbeen doing since I haven't?
I when's the last time I sawyou?
I don't even know.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
Like the beginning of December, you saw a lot.
I wasn't even at the houseeither, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
I did After I left.
Were you mad about that?

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Well, I wanted to see you and Locke, I know.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
I felt bad about that after, but I didn't really put
it together because I was justso excited to meet Locke.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
That I was like, man, I probably should have waited
for Sean, but I didn't know whenI was going to see you again.
Yeah, and I wanted to meet thekid because then I knew that my
January was weird and I'm like,oh my God, what if I don't get
to meet him till 4th of July?

Speaker 1 (13:21):
I know, so I just freaked out.
He's like six foot three.
You come back, yes.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
So then I freaked out and I just called Dre and I
went and you know what, not toknock you.
I know that obviously your lifehas changed, but I have made it
a habit for all of my friendsthat have procreated to really
check in with them, on top ofobviously meeting the baby I
feel like with the excitement ofbringing a child into the world
.
Sometimes I feel like the momsget a little forgotten.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
And so I was glad that I got that time with Dre.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, I'm glad you guys had that time too.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
We had some Chick-fil-A and caught up and
got to meet Locke.
I held him for legitimately twoand a half hours straight.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
I would not put him down.
She's like you can put him down.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
I was like oh good, yeah, he's so little, he's a
little, he's got the second.
I picked him up and was likethese are Sean Booth's legs.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah, he's got my legs.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
I was like this is like weird.
I feel like I was seeing you asa child.
I was like this is.
Sean Booth's leg and also hemakes this.
I feel like he has more ofDre's facial features, but he
makes faces like you.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
That's what?
Yeah, when you told me that andthen when you show me the
photos, I was like oh yeah, Onyour Instagram, yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
I opened your Instagram and it was like you,
and then Locke's was down hereand whatever, and you guys were
both making the same eyebrow.
I can't do that because I haveno talks, but the eyebrow, face
and I was like, oh no, paternitytest needed.
We're good.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
I know it's wild, because I'm like I.
Still, when I look at him, Idon't see me, I don't see Dre.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yes, Like I can't.
He's got Dre's nose for sure.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
He's got Dre's nose.
I think he's got my hair,obviously, I think he's going to
have and he has blue eyes.
And he's got really blue eyes.
I think the crazy thing is howalert he is, though, right now,
like he is just Way awake.
Way awake.
Like I posted a video yesterday.
He just like he just sits therewith me.
He's just like looking at meand looking around.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
I did see he's looking at you like what are you
doing?

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yeah, he's still like sizing me up, I know.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
But don't you?
I mean, I don't think he reallyhas thoughts yet, like I don't
know the process of thoughts andwhen those come in, but, like,
what is he thinking about?

Speaker 1 (15:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
What is he absorbing?

Speaker 1 (15:21):
But you can ask Dre, he loves my voice Like he's been
hearing that for forever.
Yeah, it like suits him, andlike when I walk in the room and
then like I'll just come up tohim and as soon as I get within
the range that he can like, see,he just starts like smiling.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
How is Walter adjusting with locks in the
house?

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Walter is good.
I feel bad cause he's not.
I don't feel bad, he still getsplenty of attention.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Sure, but it's different.
He's used to being an onlychild.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
It's different.
Like he sleeps in the crate,because it's right, yeah, but
it's like right next to the bed.
He's been great with that, butbefore he'd kind of have free
range and but he'd be jumping upand down on the bed and it's
like our sleep wasn't that good.
So he's really good in thecrate and I bring him to work as
much as I can and I just likeusually I make him sit on that

(16:09):
cot and now I'm just like you dowhatever you want, buddy.
Like when the class is gettingstarted he's out there.
When people are cooling down, Ilet him go out there.
I'm like everybody, just loveon him as much as possible, yeah
, and he just loves it, so he'sdoing good.
He's still like he loves hispacifiers, like he's always
trying to get his pacifiers.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Like he always ends up with his pacifier in his
mouth like 18 times a day.
He's very gentle with him.
He's kind of just like gettingdifferent, though.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
I was going to say it's a learning curve for the
dog too, yeah.
Yeah, is everybody else in thehouse?

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Yeah, he just hangs out with them, though it's good.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
It's good.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
It's not the first week or two was like really like
nerve wracking because he's sobig.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
And like not aggressive, but like he's a
puppy.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
He likes to jump and play and swat and.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Yeah, he's a goofball , so that's been good.
But to your point about, likemom's getting forgotten, it's
like I didn't realize how crazyit is to be a mom with a newborn
, like she just that's a fulltime job.
It absolutely is.
And you know she's been doinggreat, fantastic, but she's at
her moments.
Like the past week he startedto like get a little fussy this

(17:19):
last week with sleeping.
It's like he always.
It's like we feel like he'sjust so hungry all the time so
he feeds like every two hours.
Yeah, he'll feed three, threeounces, four ounces, and then,
you know, go on the tit for alittle bit and then he wants
more and then he's like fine,then he's, you know, another
couple of hours go by and it'slike he needs to eat.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yeah, I've seen statistics that breastfeeding is
quite literally a full time job.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Full time job.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Which is terrifying to think about, if I were to
ever be lucky enough tobreastfeed.
I don't understand how momsmanage it.
I really don't.
I feel not that I've had my ownchildren, but I obviously have
had close friends that have beenhaving babies left and right
around me, and it's like youdon't realize how much your
parents loved you until you haveyour own children.

(18:07):
Yeah, I know, I feel that wayright now and I haven't even had
my own kids.
I'm like holy shit, my mom andmy dad were trying to make it
work with and they were youngerthan.
I was they had less than I have, and like all these things and
still trying to keep you healthy, keep you happy, keep you on
the road, keep you this.
While managing their own.
I think something else thatI've learned, now that I'm an

(18:30):
adult and I have a differentrelationship with my parents, is
that your parents are also justtheir own people, so you think
about they were also trying tomanage their own thoughts and
emotions and relationshiptogether.
How's that going?
How's the teamwork?

Speaker 1 (18:45):
How's the?
It's like all baby.
Yeah, it's a lot.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Do you feel like you and Dre together have changed
for a good, bad or indifferent?

Speaker 1 (18:53):
I think we're a stronger team, for sure, but
it's just like, yeah, it's justall baby, all baby, all the time
, but to your point of like youdon't realize how much your
parents had to do.
I was literally thinking lastnight.
He's laying there just likecrying and I was like I want to
take out my phone and I want toshow them in 15 years from now,

(19:13):
being like the things that wewere doing for you, buddy.
And I mean it's a game changer.
You learned so much and haveyou changed at all?
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
What does that mean, though?
Tell me more.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
No, like in the best way possible.
I think it puts intoperspective a lot of things in
life and it's very I keep sayingit's like almost like a calming
feeling.
I don't know why that is maybebecause I thought maybe it
wouldn't happen.
Okay, okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
Now that it's like, ooh, nice,big deep breath, like I'm a dad,
as I've always wanted to be adad, so it's kind of like a
comforting feeling in that sense, I think.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Do you feel like so?
I guess my hope for you.
First of all, sean's wanted tobe a dad since the first minute
that I met him.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Probably before that, I'm just saying that I don't
know that since, like yeah, wewere shopmen for eggs, yes, yes.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
So like that was like one of the first, I feel like,
conversations we had, yeah, butI was hoping and I would like
you to answer this but I washoping that once you did become
a dad, that the outside riffraffand noise, because you have a
lot of riffraff and noise inyour life just because of the
personal and professionalexperiences you have, they just
don't matter.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
And they are almost like in a calming way, not like
oh, I don't care about anything,but in like this is much more
important than any of that stuffthat I feel like you
internalize and stress about.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yes.
Repeatedly Do you feel likeyou're getting a little better
at that.
Yeah, 100% for sure, and thatwas something too along like.
This past year has beenchallenging for me for a lot of
different reasons professional,personal and Locke's birth was
always the North Star Right.
I was always like, let's getthere, like let's get there,

(20:57):
like none of this is going tomatter.
Got to get to that point and itwas true.
And it's like things stillmatter, of course, but not to
the extent.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Your priorities are in the history, yeah, your
priorities are changed for sure.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, I mean, it's an awesome feeling, and at the
same time, though, it's alsolike it's still, like you know,
not that different either.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Right you still go to work every day, at least I do
and I mean your habits or yourresponsibilities outside of
being a father are the same, butyou are different.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Yeah, you're a different person, right.
But I think it's also like alot of people, when they say you
know, like I always hearmarriage, everybody's always
like, oh, how do you feel?
And everybody's like I feel thesame.
It's kind of the same.
Being a parent too, it's like,yeah, you've obviously changed
for the better, I would imaginefor most people.
But also it's like it's kind ofthe same, like life goes on.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
But isn't that the goal?
Yeah?
Of course, Because you know, Ido have people in my life that
have procreated and it is allconsuming almost in like a
negative way.
Like they stop being themselvesas individuals and as a partner
and as adults in society.
First, and this it's only thebaby and they don't leave the

(22:14):
house and it's too much.
And then I have friends thathave a baby and they still show
up to work.
They bring the baby out withthem and all those things, and I
just I hope I mean who knowswho I'll be as a mother.
I hope one day that I lean alittle more towards to like
continue my life.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
And I'm going to work bringing the baby out, meeting
the people, like, obviouslywithin safe parameters.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
But just.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
I don't want to be the person that stops everything
and just only becomes a mother.
I still want to be Sammy first.
Yeah, who knows if I will bethat.
I feel like everybody.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
I can hear the comments right now.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Just wait, you don't know anything.
Yeah, yeah, never claimanything.
No, I mean, dre would tell youlike.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
I mean, that's definitely you know what she
wants to do and how she wants tobe as well, and she still does
work and she still does thingsfor herself.
Yeah, and this past week wasnice because she had, you know,
her best friend, Ashley, in townwith her cute little baby.
Oh my gosh, she's so perfect,Mila, and so I was like wait.
So you're telling me at thehouse we're going to have two

(23:08):
girls, two babies, a dog and acat for a week.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
And she's like yep.
You're like, oh, I have to goto school or classes, and so
weird they just came up.
We invented a new class.
I worked a lot last week.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
And it was actually awesome because there Ashley and
her baby were fantastic.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
It was a promise, baby.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Yeah, and also it was good for Dre, you know.
And so, like two days ago, Ibrought Dre and locks to the gym
just to get her out of thehouse.
She's like I've been out of thehouse once in the past, like
week and a half, and it's yourcrazy.
Yeah, and like a couple ofweeks ago we hung out with our
good friends McNabs and they'resupposed to come over to our
house and we're like hey, dre'slike can we come to your place,

(23:51):
just so I can get out of thehouse.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Well, and it's a safe environment, so she doesn't
have to stress about that.
You're going to their house.
It's like the perfect setup.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah.
So yeah to your point.
Definitely want to bring themaround, continue doing what we
do in our lives Right now.
It's difficult with the winterseason where you can't be around
a bunch of people for like twomonths.
They said so when I do bringthem to the gym, I'll put them
in like the back room, right?
And she'll hang out there andthen, like I, literally tell

(24:16):
people to leave to the garagedoor so they're not all walking
through the lobby.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Perfect.
I feel like that's a.
What is it Like a compromise?
I feel like, oh, I'm going tobring the baby out and try and
acclimate it.
Dre can come out.
But it's like, okay, we'regoing to set a little bit of
boundaries, yeah, so we're notjust throwing our kids to the
wolves.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, cause I want to .
I want to take him outeverywhere, get him out of the
way.
I want to just take a trip,just get him on a flight soon.
I yeah, I mean Travel with him.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
There was a brand new , brand new baby, probably the
same age as us, on my flightback from Hawaii.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
And they're he was probably great.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
He was great, he was asleep and was on the dad's arm.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
The dad was just like walking up and down the aisle
the whole time and but, you know, and I don't give a s*** If
anybody wants to say anythingabout a baby crying or being
upset on a plane.
My whole rule in life is youcan only get mad or upset about
a crying baby on a plane if youwere never a baby.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yeah, I mean, I agree with that I hate when people
get upset about that.
Like.
Oh, I just like yeah, is itannoying?

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Of course it's annoying, but also like.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
But there's a lot of annoying things on a plane.
I'll take the crying baby, yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
And.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
I also.
I always am very empathetic tolike.
I think there's a okay, there'sa fine line between, maybe,
parents who are ignoring a child, who is disrupting.
Yeah, of course, if you'reignoring them, but when a kid is
having a meltdown and I can seethe mom just like.
Yeah, about to have a heartattack, and if you have a
meltdown, I if it's in a grocerystore, an airport or whatever

(25:39):
it is, and they're activelytrying their best.
It's just like you know whatkids are going to be kids.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
But then I feel bad for the mom because I'm just
like you know they'reembarrassed.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
I know that's stressful.
You know they're stressed out,you know it's just like.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
I'm like, hey, it's okay.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
And if someone gives you a hard time, send them my
direction.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Yeah, exactly, we'll teach them a lesson.
Like Charlie traveledCalifornia over the holidays
with V and Ava and he was likeeverybody was just so nice to us
.
Well, I think there's a lot ofempathy, yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
And especially if you've had children yourself.
You look at them and you'rejust like, oh okay, this could
be a very stressful day for you,and sometimes babies are fun.
But you never know, it's agamble.
Yeah, you're going to justbring locks out.
He might be on his bestbehavior.
You might just be like who isthis child?
Yeah, and that's the thing.
I was talking to one of myteammates from college.
She has a daughter.
She's the cutest, maybe likealmost two years old, less than

(26:32):
that.
But obviously babies changeevery single day.
Kids change every single dayand she's like one time when she
was having a meltdown in thegrocery store.
People are looking at me likedo something, and she's like I
don't know who this is.
This is the first time I'veever seen this side of my kid.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Because they're changing and they're more over
simulated.
Whatever it may be that causedher to have the meltdown, yeah,
so my teammate was like I don'tknow what to do.
I've never seen this kid before, yeah, and now we're in public,
like we didn't learn this athome, in the privacy of our own
living room.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Right.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
And we were like I don't know how to calm her down.
This just happened in Krogerand it was just like all right,
we're going to go for it.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, we're going to do it.
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
I'm sweating thinking about that.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
It's a lot.
It's a lot in the best way, butman, yeah, you got to like
homework makes it work.
You give your parents a highfive Because whew.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah, but now the role is reversed and I'm taking
care of them, so it's just likepayback baby, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Yeah.
But I think the cool thing istoo is like look forward to each
stage.
You never want to wish awaythem being this young.
But it's also like, oh, I can'twait.
I can't wait to hear his voice,yeah, his voice.
So he starts walking around.
I take a shower with him, whichis so freaking awesome and it's
.
We've tried the bath thing thebaby bath and it is pro tip a
million times easier to justshower with them.

(27:45):
Also, it's very slippery.
You got to be like holding ontight.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Oh, my God, you're making me nervous.
No, I mean it's like a freakingslippery watermelon basically,
yeah, or a slippery like chicken.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
He loves it.
He can be crying, he goes inthe shower and just like I feel
like he thinks he's back in thewomb or something Like the warm
water hitting him.
It's awesome, way easier.
I love it Pro tip.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Okay, I'll keep that in mind.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah, keep that in mind.
But speaking of that, oh, okay.
Dray's got to go back to worknext week.
That is, you know, somethingthat I've never put much thought
into his maternity leave,paternity leave, all of that,
right yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Yes, all right.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
I'll see you tomorrow .
Okay, thank you, bye, bye, bye.
Six weeks and she's going backto work.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
That's even less than I've.
I thought it was like 12 weeksis the average or something.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
So there's all these different types of guidelines
and I've been doing research onit right, and I think you can
take up to 12 or 16 weeks ifyou're eligible in Tennessee.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
I think every state is maybe different with their
rules, or maybe is it percompany or per state.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Both.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
So if you're in a state like you, can take up to
12 weeks or possibly 16, ifyou've been at your job for a
year, if you have over a hundredemployees or small businesses,
like we're at Drayworks, sixweeks.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
And your body isn't even healed.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
To put this in perspective of how short that is
and how absurd it is.
I couldn't pick up Walter fromhis mom and dog breeder until
eight weeks because Walterneeded to feed from his mom.
He's a dog.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
And so Dray's.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
I've never thought of it like that.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
How crazy is that.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Yeah, that's a good little comparison there, booth.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
I was doing research.
Canada Employees can take up to18 months of maternity leave.
The first 15 weeks areconsidered maternity leave and
the remaining 61 weeks can betaken as parental leave, which
can be shared between theparents.
United Kingdom United Kingdomemployees can take up to 52
weeks.
The first 26 weeks are ordinarymaternity leave and the

(29:52):
remaining 26 are calledadditional maternity leave and
each parent is entitled up to480 days.
Germany, 14 weeks long, startssix weeks before the expected
due date and continues for eightweeks after the birth.
That's kind of short.
Australia is longer, everybodyis longer than the US.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, I mean I've heard that.
Obviously I haven't lived it,but I just I don't understand, I
don't know.
I have so many thoughts andopinions and confusions and it's
part of the reason where I feellike sometimes I second-guess,
maybe I won't have children isbecause it feels as though the

(30:33):
way the system is set up inAmerica is that you can't have
it all.
As a woman, I feel like Iobviously have a unique job, so
I wouldn't compare my current,but let's say I still worked at
the record label.
Something's got to give,something.
I'm a full-time employee and afull-time mom and a full-time
wife and a full-time adult and afull-time.

(30:54):
Something has to give.
You can't have it all, but Ifeel like there could be pretty
simple steps or things put inplace to make you maybe almost
have it all, or you know whatI'm saying.
A little bit of help, like sixweeks.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Six weeks.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
You can't.
Let's start at six months.
That's still less than everyother country that you just
listed.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
And at least at six months.
I feel like that's when babieshave a little more personality
and they're a little more awakeand alert and all those things.
Box is obviously looking aroundright now, so he's maybe the
exception to the role, but thatkid is brand new.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Brand new Feeds, like I said, every two hours.
Also, your body is producingmilk, so if you're not feeding
him, you have to continuepumping.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Which is going to take away from the job that you
had anyway.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
They want you to go to the office and sit there, and
then you have to leave everyhour or so and pump.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
But where do you pump , Sean?

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
In the nasty ass restroom that everybody takes a
shit in after their morningcoffee.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Yeah, that's where everybody's pumping, yeah, like
that, go pump your milk there,yes, but where else are they
supposed to do it?

Speaker 2 (31:59):
In their car?

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Can't do it right in the open In their office?

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeah, it's just like so.
I guess that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
And then what do you do with the milk?
Then you pump that and thenwhere are you going to put that
milk?

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Exactly that's what I'm saying, Like there could be
little steps that feel verysimple, Like I don't know an
open office space with a lockeddoor where a mother could pump
if she does have to go back towork and not sit in a urinal.
Yeah, there's like little stepsthat I feel like a lot of
places just completely neglect.
We don't think about it at all.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Right, and I understand too from the small
business side of it.
I'm a small business owner.
Maybe you don't have the budgetand you need somebody there.
There's got to be some type ofassistance or there's got to be
a way where you can say hey,let's just do the work from home
.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
If you're already doing work from home, it's 2024.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
We had a year or two years of people from working
from home.
So it's like if you have a babywho is literally dependent on
you, needs to eat from you, iscomforted by you, like, make it
happen, like, make it work.
Now, dads do.
I think it's necessary for dadsto have leave, eternity leave,

(33:09):
sure, to an extent, but notnearly as much as a mom.
I think it's good for the dadsto be there to support the moms,
because even at this stage,what can I do?
I feed them bottles, which aregood, but I'm holding them,
watching them while Dre has todo her thing, but for the most
part, it's mostly the mom doinga lot of the work.
So the dads, I'm not tooconcerned about give them some
time, but the mothers, I thinkit needs to be at least a few

(33:33):
months.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Yeah.
At least and the other thingthat I've heard from my friends
that maybe work in a little morecorporate America setting is
that sure you get 10 weeks formaternity leave, but if you want
anything after that it's likehalf pay no, pay then you take
all your vacation days, then youtake all your sick days, all
these things, and then you stackthem up, and also not for

(33:55):
nothing.
But how disrespectful is it fora company?
That's millions of dollars, allof these things like, yeah, you
guys aren't hurting for money,and you're going to sit here and
tell me that while I'm tryingto keep my newborn child alive,
I'm on vacation.
That's my vacation days.
That shit irks me.
Yeah, who do you think you are?
What part of this is a vacation?
Yeah, I don't understand.
It feels so unfair.

(34:17):
You know kind of what we weretalking about before we started
filming too.
Is that everybody's replaceable?
So if you don't, wanna get backin the office, we'll find
someone who will, which ishorrendous.
Especially I mean, I don'twanna get anybody in trouble,
but like, especially in a smallbusiness aspect, you would think

(34:38):
that you were more than anumber Because it is a smaller
staff and all those things thatyou'd make it a little more
one-on-one like humaninteraction.
Okay, this is a new mother, notjust.
Oh, this is employee number 379.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Take a second, think about it.
Yeah, and how?
I mean, I guess, if you're thehead of a company, you never
took maternity leave Because,like I said, you can't have it
all.
So if you, yes.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yeah, so what did you do?

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Obviously, there are women who are CEOs and juggle it
all, but they typically havehelp and they have this and
everything.
It's just like I don't know.
It's overwhelming.
I feel like I'm up against odds, as is so it's so messed up.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
It's just one of those things in our country
you're like God damn, figure itout.
Let's figure it out.
Mothers need more than sixfreaking weeks.
My dog needed eight weeks.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yeah, and it's a dog.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
She's not even cleared physically to do
anything like her body like yousaid, is still recovering.
It's still healing.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
That's a traumatic.
That's, I mean, arguably one ofthe most traumatic events.
Your body, from head to toe, iscompletely different.
And not only that, but I waslistening to this podcast that
has really been trying to talkabout the fourth trimester.
Everybody talks about firsttrimester, you're sick.
Second trimester, you're this.
Third trimester, you're souncomfortable you won't have a

(35:54):
baby.
And then it stops no, no, no.
There's a fourth trimester thatI feel like recently has become
more prominent in social mediaand podcasting and all this
stuff.
And obviously I've only dippedmy toe in it because I haven't
become a mother myself, but I,like I said, I try and check in
on my friends.
How are you doing?
How?

Speaker 1 (36:11):
are you?

Speaker 2 (36:11):
feeling How's like can I get you anything?
And then I was talking jokingabout the witches brew Alani
nutrition drinks oh yeah, shedrank a few sips of those.
She was like I could only havelike a sip here and there when I
was pregnant, but, man, do Imiss it.
So I'm like OK, mental note tomyself Next time I see Dre I
will have one of those for herbecause I know how she can drink
it, yeah, but no, don't giveeveryone, because she drank one.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
And then Locke's was like going crazy, like because
she's feeling.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
OK, but then she can pump and dump and whatever, just
give her a little bit ofhappiness.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Yeah, we're trying.
She wants the Alani nutrition.
Yeah, give her that Alani.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
I mean, it's the same thing.
I feel like when women havelike a glass of wine, they're
like I'll just pump and dump,but then again OK.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Yeah, what do you mean by pump and dump, like
you're just going to pump it out?
Yeah, that's insane, but that'swhat I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
So now, we have to work extra hard just to enjoy a
fucking glass of wine.
After I just pushed this babyout of me and like I'm
recovering and I have to nowthink ahead Like God, being a
mother is overwhelming.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Congrats to you if you're a mom.
Yeah, shout out to all the momsout there.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
For real.
It truly is.
It's truly never ending 24seven, all day, every day,
thinking 20 steps ahead ofeveryone around you.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah, at all times.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Including the male partners, or female partners, or
whoever you may be, or?

Speaker 1 (37:28):
they are thems?

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Yeah, or they are thems, but don't be that.
Well, I'm here, babe, I'll dowhatever you want.
Just tell me what you want.
Bitch, I want you to just lookaround and figure it out.
I'm already thinking 20 stepsahead of this baby that I just
made, and I need to keep themalive.
I can't keep you alive too.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Yeah, I know, it's a lot, I'm here, oh weaponized
incompetence, oh real fresh.
Yeah, it's a lot.
So it looks like Locke's willbe the front desk worker at BC.
Gym for the next few months.
If Dre's got to go back to heroffice, I'll hang out with him
when I'm not on the road.
Yeah shit, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
I feel like I've gotten pretty good practice in
the newborn stage and then Ifeel like if my friends live
outside of town or something, Igo and I visit them, obviously
when the baby's pretty new, andthen I don't really see the kid
because we go back to our normallife and then all of a sudden I
come back and the baby'swalking and talking.
So that little space in betweennewborn in, let's say, a year

(38:22):
and a half Quick, it's quick,but I'm not very well versed in
that.
But I feel like I'm a prettygood learner.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yeah, that's the other thing I keep thinking too.
Mike goes by so freaking quickthat it's like holy crap, it's
going to be a year.
You're going to blink.
It's going to be a year fromnow and he's going to be walking
.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yep and I can't wait to check his next strength.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
His next strength is great right now.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
No, I'm talking about .
Then we start for roles, thenwe start doing it.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Yeah, I want to put him in gymnastics.
It's a great sport.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Yeah, it's fantastic for coordination, body awareness
, core strength everything.
It is.
Yeah, Some of us stick aroundfor 20 years after our mommy and
me class.
I don't know if I recommendthat, but I definitely think
every child should be ingymnastics for at least a spurt
in their life.
It just teaches you bodyawareness and some level of

(39:13):
coordination.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
I was talking to a buddy of mine who's a football
player, but at a big school andcollege, and he's got a son and
he's like, yeah, dude, I want toput so-and-so in gymnastics.
And I was like, because I askedhim are you going to start
playing football with him?
And he was like probably fouror five, I think.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Oh OK.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
And he's like yeah, I'll do whatever he wants to do,
but I really want to put him ingymnastics.
He's like but also, when hestarts getting this certain age,
I also want to be like allright, buddy time to go, but
what if he falls in love with it?

Speaker 2 (39:46):
I know.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
So he's like I'd still support him, but he's like
.
I'm not going to push him onedirection, but if he ends up
falling in love with gymnasticshe'll be the best gymnastics dad
.
But he's also like all right,buddy, time to go play some
football?

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Yeah, I mean, I do think so.
I guess I don't know if youeven have an answer to this.
But what if Locke hasabsolutely no interest in sports
whatsoever?

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Yeah, then whatever he is, he'll be fully supported.
I joke with Dre.
I'm like, if he wants to Idon't know be a baton twirler.
I'm like, then he'll be thebest goddamn baton twirler out
there.
You know I'm not going to beone of those parents that force
him.
As much as I joke about it withsports and stuff, I'm like he's
not going to want to be forcedto do anything.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
He'll rally against you.
It's not going to be fun forhim and, like the Sean Johnson
episode that's stuck with me.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
She's like your kid can only be good at something if
they truly love it.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
And now I think about dads who I see on social media.
Are those crazy coaches You'rejust trying to live through your
kid.
Yes, it's insane, it's sad.
It's so sad and so embarrassing, embarrassing.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
I just can't imagine ever acting like that.
But also, I mean, I feel likeyou and Dre are pretty on the
same page, but just more so thanyourself acting like that.
If you had a partner that waslike that.
Like what if I fell in lovewith someone?
We have children, I don't knowthat side of him and all of a
sudden we go to like the firstteam ball game and he's
screaming at the 14-year-old ref.

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I'd be like oh whoa whoa, whoa,whoa whoa, whoa, let's pump the
brakes on this buddy.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
And I remember when I was a ref at 14 getting
screamed at.
I remember those dads by theirnames from my small town in
Connecticut.
Winsor-loss, Connecticut.
I'm like, those guys arefucking losers.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Yes, well, they are, and that's the problem.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
There's one dude I'll never forget it.
I'm like he's screaming at mewhat's his name?

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Drop it right now on a global podcast.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Mr Claffey.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Yeah, All right.
This dude is screaming at me.
His kid's like 12 years old.
We're playing at Winsor-LossHigh School basketball and I am
literally it's a Saturdaymorning.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
And I'm 15 years old.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
And screaming as if it is the NBA finals.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Oh yeah, and I'm like dude stop.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
You're a 50, 60-year-old man.
It's gross.
You're embarrassing yourself,right now and your child.
And I remember the other refwas an adult and he was
fantastic.
He's like dude, like it's OK,yeah just fuck that guy.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Who cares?

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Yeah, Mr O'Boyle was his name.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
He was great and he was like yeah, isn't it funny
how those things stick out toyou, though I still remember
that.
Yeah, I can remember.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Because I was mortified.
I'm like you're just screamingat me.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
Because you're a 12-year-old kid, I don't know,
maybe fouled or didn't foul thekid that I maybe was a block
instead of a charge, I don'tknow.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
I was fucking 14 years old, but also, this is not
make or break for anything inyour life.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Yeah, and guess what?
His kid?
He's not in the NBA right now.
Guess what?
He didn't go to college andplay basketball either.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
And that was the last day that little Johnny played
basketball, because of SeanBooth's ref skills.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
Yeah, so I'll never.
I'll never be that guy.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
No, but I do get nervous, though.
I feel like both of my parentswere collegiate athletes my
brother's collegiate athlete, Iwas a collegiate athlete Like we
just athletics was what thefour of us had.
Yeah, that if I ever do have achild that is not into athletics
not that it is a bad thing, butI am nervous that I'm like, oh
my God, I don't really know muchof anything else.

(43:07):
Yeah, like I will have to learnalongside the child, which is
fine.
But like, if my kid wants to bea clarinet player, I don't know
the first fucking thing aboutclarinet.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
But you'll lead them in the direction to find out.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Yeah, and I'll get them hyped up and we're going to
be have like morning jams, likewe're about to hit them notes.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
Like let's do it.
Yeah, let's hit the notes.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
It will be on top of the learning curve of becoming a
mother.
I feel like that would beanother learning curve that I am
just unfamiliar with thelandscape of things outside of
afterschool sports.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
Yeah, well, and the reason I do want my kids to play
sports and, as you know, it isso good for them outside of just
like physically, mentally,you're working on a team, right,
and you also build these bonds,these friendships that you have
for the rest of your life, likeyou go to school and you got a
crew with you, you know, so youdon't feel alone, so there's a

(43:55):
lot of things like that.
And maybe you might suck at it,but try it.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Yeah, but I feel like a lot of the things that I look
back.
I mean, gymnastics took up allof my life.
It's one of those sports thatyou don't really do like off
season on season thing, it'syear round.
Yeah, I think one of the thingsthat gymnastics taught me the
most which I didn't even realizewas teaching me at the time is
that you don't always get whatyou want.
Yeah, it does.
Like I was training 30 hours aweek.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
That's a great point, yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
I was training 30 hours a week by the time I was
in sixth grade, so I lived avery intense life.
And guess what, even though Iwas training those hours, I
didn't always win.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Exactly that's what it teaches you.
I didn't always walk away withfeeling great.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
I still fell, I made mistakes, I let my team down,
those things I feel like of allthe highs that I had in
gymnastics, the things thatstuck with me and made me a
productive adult were the lows,yeah, and you could like throw
out a million motivationalquotes about that, right.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Yeah, it's like how losing is better than winning.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Well, the cliches exist for a reason.
Yeah, and let me tell you yourfirst fucking job out of college
, you will learn who didn't havethose lows who didn't?
Always get what they want.
Because, let me tell you youthink you hate group projects in
college.
Life is a group project, yes,so there's always going to be
the dude that does nothing andtakes all the credit, there's

(45:07):
always going to be the but hurtperson.
that's literally never been told.
No, there's going to be theperson that's never lost the
competition.
With one second on the clockand you're on the line.
Like there are those people andyou immediately can identify
them, if you have had thatpersonally yourself.
Oh yeah, and you're just likegood luck and guess what,
sometimes those people make moremoney than you, so it's really
frustrating.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Yeah Well, the best and biggest quote that I've ever
heard in my life is from my dad, and I'd always be upset Like,
ah, that's not fair, that's notfair.
You'd always say, sean, life'snot fair, that's it always.
You'd always say life's notfair.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
And it's true Since I was a little kid.
It is true, yeah, and you know.
Sometimes it's it hurts morethan other times, but for the
most part, I don't know I feellike more times than not, you
don't get what you want.
More, yeah, 90% of the time,yeah, so it's just like how do
you deal with that adversity,change it, your outlook, your
mentality?
I feel like I've also been on atravel journey, obviously for

(46:03):
2024, I've been a Hawaiianresident only so I've had a lot
of downtime to kind of think of,like, what I want to do this
year, yeah, yeah, and also justmoving forward, yeah, Time is.
You said time's going fast.
You have a kid.
I feel like I don't even have akid and time is already moving
fast.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
So, but you're young, I'm not young.
Oh my God, I'm not young.
You're way younger than me.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
No, I know I understand in the grand scheme
of life.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
I am young, but it's like holy shit am.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
I young, I know.
Like I can't express to you,I've had a couple events.
It was one event but a couplethings.
During the day when I first gotback from Hawaii, we filmed a
really cool event on CMT for theband Alabama.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
And if you're not familiar with Alabama, they were
the pioneers.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
They basically created the landscape of I was
looking to see if they had theirrecord over there, but no.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Yeah, they were big in the 80s and 90s.
They're still obviously veryrelevant, but they created our
modern day touring system forcountry music.
So what my job is now?
The ball started rolling withthem.
Great event.
I laughed, I cried, I clapped,I danced.
It was very emotional, it wasvery touching.
But it was on Belmont's campus,Beautiful campus, Like yeah, no

(47:16):
wonder it's $70,000 a semesterto go there.
The amount of times thesefreaking college kids were like
interning the event were makingme feel like I was 33 years old.
Just like little things they'relike oh, when you were in
college.
Like, oh, oh, my God, yeah, mydad had a blackberry.

(47:37):
Oh, yes, ma'am, like thingslike that.
I'm like, oh God, those are thetype of things that I'm like oh
, to the outside world, I dolook older or I do, I don't know
.
Like I remember when I wastheir age, someone who was 33
was like whoa.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
And now I'm like wait , wait, wait, wait, wait, no, no
, no.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
I feel like I'm still you this Belmont intern who's
working this event?

Speaker 1 (47:57):
You never feel like you're going to be that age or
feel that old.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Yes.
But then when the 19 year oldlike little intern boy was like
yes, ma'am, I was like, oh myGod, I'm a woman.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
to him I'm a lady.
It's like every other gym.
Call me old man booth.
They start calling me old manbooth when I was younger than
you are right now.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Yeah, but you also act like an old man, so it's
different.
I get it, but I do.
I think.
When I met you, you seemed somuch older to me and I was
younger than I.
You were younger than I amright now.
That's wild to me, I'm like ohyeah, he's a business owner and
he's 30, whatever.
And now I'm like he didn't havehis shit together?

Speaker 1 (48:31):
No, never will, but nobody does.
Let's be honest, nobody does.
Let's finish this up.
Final four.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Oh, okay, we're throwing it on you.
We're also going to take a turnhere.
Oh God, all right.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Final four favorite things about the snow.
This week it's snowed inNashville, tennessee.
It is my favorite weather andwe were talking about this
earlier.
It's snowed on like Sundaynight or Monday and the city is
just completely demolished,demolished, demolished,
debilitated, and I never used tounderstand why when I first
moved here, I'm like these Pwords, like it's at a quarter

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inch of snow.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
You said the F word three times this episode, but
you're going to draw the line up.
Yeah, I'm going to draw theline there.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
Okay, and they.
We just don't have plows ortrucks that put salt down,
nothing.
So it stays cold, it'll snow,and actually this was a pretty
big snow, so when we got like ahalf of foot, this was
impressive.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
That's big for Nashville yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
But it snows and it's .
The snow is not the problem,it's that it gets so cold for
the whole week, like we're at.
One degree is two degrees, andeverything turns to ice.
And they do not take care ofthe road.
So if you do not havefour-wheel drive, you will end
up off the side of the road.
I see it every time it snowshere.
I'm like this person, you know,who's from Mississippi, trying

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to drive to the freaking grocerystore, and their Honda Accord
ain't going to make it, no, andthey don't know how to drive the
snow.
So I'm in my element.
As you know, I grew up inConnecticut, new Hampshire.
The snow is my favorite andthat's why we're going to go
final four favorite things aboutthe snow, starting with Sam Kat
.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Okay, well, thank you so much for giving me 30
seconds to come up with thislist of things.
So I'd say my number four wouldbe the silence.
So when you walk outside whenit's snowing, everything is like
muffled and it's just sopeaceful and it doesn't exist in
any other atmosphere Like thatspecific silence is subject to a

(50:24):
fresh snowfall.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
I'm so glad you said that that was on my list as well
.
I'll put that number four, thatis.
I was talking about this theother day.
I'm like it's the best you gooutside at nighttime too, when
it's snowing.
It's so silent and it's thebest.
It's comforting, and alongsideof that I'll say the smell.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Like you can smell when the storm's coming.
Have you ever watched GilmoreGirls?

Speaker 1 (50:49):
No, I haven't.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
All right.
Well, lorelai Gilmore.
She says I smell snow.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
It's like her tagline , so I was out in the backyard
there they're just hanging outjust like looking up and just
like yes, it's snowing.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Yeah, I'll go for it for that as well.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Number three Number three I love if you go out and
you play in the snow.
Obviously it's cold, you'rebundled up in all of these
things, but if you sit in thesnow, it's warm, it's comforting
, it molds to your body, it'slike before you make your snow
angel.
If you just sit and relax in it, I feel like it kind of goes
hand in hand with the silence.

(51:24):
Very relaxing, yeah.
Hanging out in the snow yeah,obviously there's a lot of
things like snowboarding andskiing and all that stuff that
come with snow.
That's great, right.
Just chilling in it, yeah, notbad.
Chilling in it's good If you'redressed appropriately.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Gotta be dressed appropriately, which that's my
number three Dressing up forsnow.
You can put on your boots thathave been sitting in the garage
all year.
You can put on your car heartoverall pants, your big jackets,
your beanies, your gloves thatare in the closet, at least for
us.
I can only take out once a year.
Like getting bundled up andfeeling warm, but also being out

(52:01):
in the cold is a fantasticfeeling.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
I do.
I got really cool leathergloves that you can use your
phone with like two winters agoand I've worn them twice I got
to bring them back out this weekit felt good.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
It does feel good Okay.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Number two.
My number two is going to besnow scream.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Okay when you make your own homemade ice cream with
the snow.
I thought you were talkingabout like snow scream, like
yelling.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
No, no, no, Snow scream.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
You go out, you scoop it.
It's like vanilla condensedmilk.
There's a bunch of differentways you can make it.
Blend it all together, put somechocolate chips in it and it
gets the consistency of icecream.
What's fresher than fresh snow?

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Nothing.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
It's fresh ingredients to begin with, so
let's just absolutely capitalizeon that.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Snow scream.
Let's make a business.
My number two is driving.
I fucking love it.
You also love doing-.
That's the four time I use theF word and I love driving in the
snow.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Like I no, you love doughnutting in the snow.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
I love it.
I go out when I start snowing.
The other night Drey's likewhere are you going?
I was like I got to go to thegym and set up and she's like,
no, you don't.
I'm like I do, but also I wantto go drive around because
nobody's out on the roads.
It's like late night and thesnow's coming down hard and
every single corner.
I take you're just jamming thatgas and then turning the wheel,

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fish tailing it, fish tailaround every single corner,
going to the parking lot, doing360s.
That's what we did as kids.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Do you remember I mean it might have been 22 was
our last snow storm, but you, Ibelieve it was you when you
still had your truck, the othertruck, yeah, the jeans, and you
guys were like snowboardingbehind your truck out in front
of the gym.
Jack, yeah, I was going to sayI remember Me, Jordan and Jack,
there was a group of you.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
We took the TRX handles.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Yes, no, I it was the most ghetto setup ever, but it
was a great video and it lookedlike fun.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
We were going around the block and he was just like
on the roads, because againthere's no plows here we had our
buddy just snowboarding, niceNumber one.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
My number one, which I feel like is a lost art
because technology has changed.
It is the feeling of a snow day.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
That was my number one, the NFL draft feeling at
the bottom where you're waitingfor your school to go by, yeah,
yeah, and that, like I'm surenow, as a parent, you're
probably like okay, yeah, forsure, we'll all stay home.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Great, yeah, you know that never processed in our
mind because we were stayinghome.
Yeah, it's a snow day.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
The feeling of like.
I don't have to do anythingtomorrow, whether it's work like
here in national school,because it's like I don't think
it's shut down.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
It's like the middle of the week, so I get up at four
in the morning.
The anticipation of the nextday, of it being an absolute
nothing day is awesome yes.
And we just had the ticker inConnecticut and we had 60 minute
delay, 90 minute delay, halfday, and you would get up with
your siblings and sit in therejust fucking praying.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Fifth time I said the F word, praying that you would
see Winsor-Lachs, connecticutpublic schools.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Right, no school.
And then when?

Speaker 1 (55:04):
that like went across the bottom.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
It was like literally Christmas morning, yeah, then.
Then you start the process ofgetting dressed for the snow and
then everybody's outside at7.15 am.
Oh, none of these kids havebeen this pumped to go to school
or been this awake at 7.15 amthe whole year.
Yeah, but on a snow day, baby,we're up in Adam.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
And your parents like they're probably like shit.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
Yeah, you're like what am I supposed?

Speaker 1 (55:25):
to do.
Well, that's how I am right now, because I got to get to work,
because we had a snow morning,but not this afternoon.
We're back to work.
I got to go coach class, samcatawesome to have you back.
I can see the back of your assand thigh through those jeans
right there.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Don't look Like the boomer in me hates it.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Thank you guys for tuning in Team on three.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
One, two, three, give me back you.