In the Church Library

In the Church Library

Join Kelsey Kramer McGinnis and Marissa Franks Burt for conversation around popular Christian resources found in church libraries. The first season focuses on parenting books Kelsey and Marissa read as they wrote their forthcoming book The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families.

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July 24, 2025 74 mins

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Content Warning: This episode contains discussion of child mistreatment, abuse, and death. 

Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss the book To Train Up A Child, by: Michael and Debi Pearl.

You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:

Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, Facebook

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Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library for a conversation with Sunita Theiss to discuss neurodiversity in faith communities and families

Connect with Sunita online: Instagram, LinkedIn, Substack

Mentioned in the conversation:

--Use code LIBRARY for a discount for her upcoming workshop and Q&A: Parenting PDA Children with Grace & Hope:  A Christian Perspective on Understanding, S...

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July 10, 2025 75 mins
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Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library for a conversation with Pieter Valk of Equip Ministries to discuss James Dobson's Bringing Up Boys, masculinity, and the implications of popular Christian parenting teaching for LGBT+ people.

Connect with Pieter online: Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter

Mentioned in our conversation: Equip's Parent Course

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Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss the Growing Kids God's Way parenting empire. In Part 2, we discuss how Gary and Anne Marie came to be popular Christian parenting experts, their curricula Growing Kids God's Way, and the controversy surrounding their methods. 

For more reading on the Ezzos, see http://ezzo.info/

"The Parent Trap," by: Jensen Davis ta...

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Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library for a conversation with Catherine McNiel and Jason Hague, authors of the book Mid-Faith Crisis: Finding a Path Through Doubt, Disillusionment, and Dead Ends.

Connect with Catherine online: Bluesky, Facebook, Instagram, Threads, Twitter/X

Connect with Jason online: Facebook

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June 12, 2025 68 mins

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Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library as they answer your questions. In Part 2, they answer: 

1:27 Q: How do you internally & externally handle criticism of your toddlers displaying developmentally appropriate but situationally inappropriate behaviors that children trained under authoritarianism typically don't do? 

11:09 Q: What recommendations do you have for church childre...

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Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library for a conversation with Camden Morgante, author of the book Recovering from Purity Culture: Dismantle the Myths, Reject Shame-Based Sexuality, and Move Forward in Your Faith.

Connect with Dr. Camden online: Instagram, Threads, Facebook, and her Substack Walking the Middle Path.

You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:

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May 29, 2025 69 mins

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Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library as they answer your questions. In Part 1, they answer: 

2:13 Q: What resources do you recommend? 

17:06 Q: How would you measure a "healthy" church, especially in re: parenting teaching coming from the pulpit? 

34:32 Q: Given 1 Timothy 3:4, is it honorable for all parents to "require obedience"? 

Note: For further discussion of t...

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Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss the Growing Kids God's Way parenting empire. In Part 1, we discuss how Gary and Anne Marie came to be popular Christian parenting experts, their book On Becoming Babywise: Giving Your Infant the Gift of Nighttime Sleep, and the controversy surrounding their methods. 

For more reading on the Ezzos, see http://ezzo.info/

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Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss a popular, best-selling Christian parenting book from the 1970s: The Christian Family, by: Larry Christenson. In this episode they discuss the socio-political climate of the 1970s, the way mainline denominations folded into broader evangelicalism, viewpoints on household authority structures, and corporal punishment as a perceived ess...

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Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library for a conversation with Emily Hunter McGowin, author of the book Households of Faith: Practicing Family in the Kingdom of God.

You can find more about Emily and her books here: https://www.emilymcgowin.com/

You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:

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Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss the popular Christian parenting book: Shepherding a Child's Heart, by: Tedd Tripp.

You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:

Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, Facebook

Kelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, Facebook

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Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library for a sampling of books that represent different elements of popular Christian teaching. 

Episode One closed with the note that the next episode would cover Tedd Tripp's book Shepherding A Child's Heart, but that will be the topic for Episode Three.

Note: In this episode, when Marissa is describing the history of the nouthetic movement s...

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April 3, 2025 45 mins

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Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library for a conversation about some of the resources that they want to spotlight from their research. 

Episode One drops 4/3/25, but until then, you can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:

Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, Facebook

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Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss popular Christian resources! Who are Marissa and Kelsey? In this trailer, they give brief introductions and welcome you to season one's conversation, which will focus on parenting books. 

Episode One drops 4/3/25, but until then, you can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:

Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads...

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Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss popular Christian resources! What will Marissa and Kelsey be discussing? In this trailer, they give a brief overview and welcome to season one's conversation, which will focus on parenting books. 

Episode One drops 4/3/25, but until then, you can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:

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