December 1, 2020 • 33 mins
Meg and Grady are back to hilariously discuss some spicey topics. Meg reveals some of her stress and anxiety, and the reason for her relocation back from Las Vegas, and Grady explains his insecurity when confronted with folks from an Ivy League college.
Lindsey Paoli, a licensed marriage and family therapist and life coach join the podcast to explain her initial anxiety and the reason she sought out her profession to help those struggling to handle stress and anxiety, especially during COVID-19, as a therapist, especially during COVID-19.
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
Hello lovelies you precious pea pod casters.
Welcome to in the grind with Megand Grady sponsored by the
records company on MeganRhianna.
And this is Grady.
Merryn
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Megan.
I got to say my own name.
Okay.
Sorry.
Oh, this is greedy Morin.
Hello?
Grady.
Hey Ren, 28 years.
We've been together.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Yeah, we've been best friends since grade school.
As you guys know recently, Imoved back to my hometown,
Ripley, Ohio, rom Las Vegas,Nevada, and me and Grady just
picked up where we started.
It was like, no time ever wentby.
I'm like we never skipped abeat.
Right?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Well, we kind of skipped a beat.
You moved across country.
I know,
Speaker 1 (00:57):
But it was like, when we were together, there was no
time in between.
We just always pick up where weleft off
Speaker 2 (01:02):
That's because we laugh at each other and I
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Needed you.
I mean, I was devastated.
Ryan came back.
I was oppressed and lost becauseI just went through a breakup.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
My boyfriend.
Well, which one?
The one I was with for twoyears.
Wait, the gay guy.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Well, that was way long ago.
That was like in my twenties.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
You're in your twenties.
You just said you were 28.
Oh yeah.
I forgot.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah, because you took me to a Botox party
yesterday and you helped myface.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Well, Botox helped her face.
I just encouraged you.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
You're like everything a woman wants in a
man without the, you know what?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I'm glad, that's glad you think so.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Oh man.
Well, I picked it all up.
I drove away in my RV and myaunt, my cousin, my mom, my two
dogs and I had a rabbit.
We had to like drive all mystuff cross country.
And I have like breakdowns.
The entire way home was
Speaker 2 (01:57):
So sad.
I was down afterwards to yourmom sent me the video.
Oh.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah.
That was pretty pathetic.
Why does she record me when I'mhaving psychophysics?
Anyway, you know what?
I ran away from the life I hadbuilt for like eight years in
the city of sin.
And you know, it's hard for meto adjust and I was just heart
broken.
Like I couldn't sleep.
I cried all the time.
It was horrible.
I finally had to call my doctor.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Well, if I was with a tracker, man, I probably would
be the same way too.
I mean, he was in special opsfor God's sakes.
That's true.
Well, we probably should.
He was a narcissist.
Yeah.
He had some issues
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Anyway, that can really, really mess with your
self-esteem.
Well, when nothing that you dois good enough, like you can't
cut an onion the right way.
You can't move the right way.
Like I was slowly losing myself,you know, so I needed to get
away.
So I'm just so thankful for myfriends and my family that I
have here.
And like helping me get healthyand back on track.
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And I pretty much
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Had to rub an old wound, but I know where you're
coming from.
Because when I came out to Vegasto visit you, we were attending
an expo.
We met up with you.
We had dinner.
And the entire time you hadaluminum foil in your lap that
you kept chewing from.
So I would assume you weretrying to disappear from the
moment.
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I was eating weed gummies.
Yeah.
You know, I did that a lotbecause I was like, I think it
was unhappy with, you know, mylife and I couldn't figure out
why.
And I think the problem was likemy relationship.
So I think I was trying to dealwith not feeling anything.
So I would just eat wheatgummies.
Like they were candy.
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Y eah.
You couldn't eat enough.
Well, I had so much anxiety a nddepression.
I needed an escape, I guess.
And also like I went through atime where I just slept all day.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I know.
But there was that time that Idied laughing.
When you told me that you werein an airport, can you tell us
that?
Oh, my embarrassing story.
Yeah.
The most humorous story.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah.
One time like, um, this guy gaveme these free pants.
They were like sweat pants.
And he gave me this top.
He was a designer.
I think he came in from aconvention into Vegas and he was
like, Hey, here's a free outfit.
I'm like, cool.
You know, and I wore this freeoutfit through the airport and
now I know why it was freebecause as I'm walking through
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the airport, I have a lime greenthumb, by the way, let's not
forget that part.
I'm walking through the airport.
I sit down at my gate and I feelsomething so cold on my.
So I it's so cold that I pop upin this guy across from me.
He just starts rolling on thefloor, laughing at me.
And, and I thought, you.
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Like you didn't even tell methat I had a hole in my pants
while I looked back.
And the whole in was justripped.
Like my whole had been hangingout the whole way through the
airport and everybody could seemy lime green thong.
And I just thought that wasreally rude.
Like next time you see someonewith their thong hanging out
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with them.
No, I h ad t o t ake thatsweater off and put it around my
waist and wear it li ke that.
The entire time I was soembarrassed.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
He got a lot of pictures.
He wasn't embarrassed.
Well, the question I have foryou is how did you not fill?
You're asking me,
Speaker 3 (05:19):
You know, I don't know.
You know, I don't feel a lot ofthings.
Like one time I had all thecocktail waitresses at the
casino looking for my phone andone of my friends, her boyfriend
was trying to track it andeverything, you know, and he
kept saying, it's in thebuilding, it's in the building.
And like, we were blaming it onlike the lady that cleaned the
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bathroom and all this.
Right.
And come to find out it was inmy b rawl the whole time.
And we h ave looked for it forlike an hour.
And I d idn't k now i t, myfriends w ere like, you d idn't
Speaker 2 (05:54):
One touching your breasts.
And I don't even fake.
And I can't
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Feel
Speaker 3 (06:03):
That's up.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Well, it reminds me of one time when I was in Hawaii
and I thought I would be supersporty and fun.
We went to the North shore,which is on the other side of
the Island in Hawaii.
Yeah.
Okay.
And I wanted to act like I wasprofessional diver.
So I climbed up this mountain.
It was very tall and I'mpetrified of Heights.
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I jumped off.
And of course, as I'm jumpingoff, my body turns over and I
belly flop in the ocean.
And what I didn't realize iswhen I, after I belly flopped
and I went down and it hurt, Imean, it hurt like a mother that
hurt your penis.
It hurt everything.
Let me tell you, it's just likea rubber band snap, my entire
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body.
But that, wasn't the funny part.
Ouch.
The funny part was is that whenI swam ashore and everybody's
like swimming toward me askingme if I'm okay and I'm like,
yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm good.
I'm great.
And I'm being very macho.
I swim up.
There's these kids on the beachand I get up and I'm walking and
I'm like holding my head uphigh.
I'm going straight to the car.
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I'm not worried about anyonetalking to me or anything else
at this point because I probablyneed to cry.
And then I see this ladyscreaming and she's running over
with a towel and she covers meup.
And I'm like, what happened?
Apparently the only thing thatwas left of my shorts was the
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scenes of all.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
He used to be attached.
Oh my God.
Oh Lord.
So everybody got a show forfree.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Oh, I don't know if it was much of one, but uh, I
didn't go back there after thatfirst.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
You got paid for that.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Hey, I'm not as stripper.
Didn't you strip once?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Uh, no.
I was a go-go dancer though.
Isn't it?
The same?
Good, good dancer.
Doesn't take off their clothes.
They're just for entertainmentpurposes.
They usually have on a cuteoutfit and they dance.
It's like getting paid toexercise.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Well, the holidays are coming up.
Maybe we'll talk about mystripping days.
No, that's why I kind of triedto move on, but Christmas is
coming up.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah.
The holidays are bright.
Like around the corner.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
A lot of people get kind of depressed, anxious
around the holidays.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
You know what guys we've been through a lot this
year.
I mean, it's been, COVID-19,we've been in quarantine.
A lot of people have lost theirjobs.
You know, money's not flowingthe way it used to.
Don't beat yourself up.
Don't like give in to all thecommercialized stuff that you
see on TV or on the radio.
Like it's the simple things it'sdecorating a tree, enjoying the
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people you're with looking atyour Christmas lights, baking
cookies, putting icing on them,making Garlin out of popcorn,
things like that.
Baking and giving
Speaker 3 (08:56):
To other people.
You could bake a meal.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Tell me about the most exciting thing that you did
for Christmas once.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
One of the most memorable things, um, is when I
was in Vegas, my roommate andher mother, they were like, Hey,
do you want to come with us andgo Christmas Carol for this
orphanage?
And I was like, Oh my God.
Yeah.
That sounds amazing becausethese kids don't have anybody.
Like what a great idea.
So we took this huge like bag,like we were Santa Claus, you
know, took a big old Santa Clausbag full of candy.
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Oh, we don't know what that is.
It's like a big garbage bag.
And it's like nicer than agarbage
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Bag.
Kind of what you moved back homein,
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Except you got a Mercedes RV[inaudible] and then
we show up and like we sangChristmas carols to these kids
and their eyes lit up and it wasjust so amazing.
And you know, those are thethings that matter.
I mean, when it all boils downto everything like, and doing
crafts with your kids, you canmake ornaments to hang on the
tree.
You don't have to buy ornaments.
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Like you got stuff around yourhouse, get creative.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
So tell me the most hilarious holiday you've had the
most hilarious.
Yeah.
You just told us about the limegreen thong.
I mean, you had another timewhere you were wearing flip
flops and fell down the stairsthat Citibank in front of CEO
allowed to talk about bad thingson here.
Well, just keep it somewhatcensored.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Okay.
So one time it was a holiday andI got all dressed up, you know,
am I boring?
You you're flipping through yourphone doing over there.
So I, I am.
Um, so I, I got all dressed upand, you know, got put on some
cute little outfit.
What do you know about pastries?
(10:41):
Do you wear a pasting?
So, and you know, but my mansand like crown Royal stuff like
that, bought him some littletoys, you know, having fun time.
That's that was his Christmasgift.
Oh, like a fun party.
Yeah.
And then when I took like this,and then I had these like
popsicles that were like thecolors of Christmas, I like kind
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of wanted to show off.
Right.
I wanted to like show him likehow deep I could put the
Popsicle, broke i t, my throat.
Okay.
And I started to g ag.
I was, I had h im wait for it tomelt.
I had to wait for it.
Do you know?
Horrible that i t surprised heralive.
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I know I c ould h ave died inthat.
And that's why, a nd a t myfuneral you would have had to be
like, this is my best friend,Megan.
She died because s he had aPopsicle stuck down o ur throat
because she was like, that'sembarrassing.
Like we w ould h ave had to putin the obituary.
Why?
Oh Lord.
Yeah.
That was bad.
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Grady.
How was your Christmas when youwere,
Speaker 2 (11:48):
You know, I use my mind a lot when I was younger.
We didn't have a lot of money.
I came from very small town.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Yeah.
You were like from the hillbillyarea like me.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Uh, we didn't have much to play with except your
toys.
And,
Speaker 3 (12:04):
And then
Speaker 2 (12:07):
We didn't have a lot of things.
And so I had to use my mind.
I think you can learn so muchfrom kids.
They are super creative, but themost audacious story is that for
Christmas, I imagined that I wasSanta Claus and I was trying to
deliver presents to my neighborsexcept I was stealing my
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mother's figurines anddelivering them.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Oh, I remember when you gave me her ceramic owl.
I loved it.
Oh my God.
That was sweet.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
I had an interesting mom.
She had her belly buttonpierced.
And I remember you asking herabout that one time.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
I got my belly button pierced because of that.
I still have it pierced.
I thought it was cool.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yeah.
So I mean, but I have nothing incomparison to, to your story.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Yeah.
Don't try that at home kids,please do not just the stupidest
thing I've ever tried to doanyway.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Wait, tell me another stupid thing.
You've tried to do
Speaker 3 (13:05):
One time.
I was pinging outside and I waslike squatting and I fell
backwards.
And guess where the P wetanother stupid thing I've done?
Hmm.
Oh, one time I was drunk inAustralia and I was like
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partying with all these people.
And uh, I think I made all thewomen take off their pants or
no, I made all the men take offtheir pants and give us their
boxers.
And we put on everybody'sboxers.
And we started swimming in thispool, in this really nice fancy
club.
And we started riding around onone of those swans, you know,
there's blow ups.
And I had my heels on the wholetime.
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And like this place was supernice and we were acting like we
were from like Adams County.
I don't know Brown County.
Like we were acting fools.
And then I was so wet and I onlyhad like a towel wrapped around
me i n my boyfriend's cowboyboots.
And I was walking down thestreets of Australia trying to
get a cab to pick me up andnobody would pick me up because
I was soaking wet and I had noclothes on at that time.
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W ell, you would
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Think that they would pick you up just for that
reason.
I had
Speaker 3 (14:14):
No clothes on and I had cowboy boots on that were
like way too big for me.
And nobody would pick me up.
They thought I was crazy.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
I don't know why they would think.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Well, you know, being depressed is no joke Grady.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
No, it's definitely not, but it is fun to laugh so
that you don't find yourselfbeing too depressed.
And I know the holidays are kindof a depressing time for some,
because we've lost some.
And that's when we remember themthe most when they're not here.
But in order to get out of thosethings, you just have to keep
pushing forward, keep yourselfpositive.
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And I think we have a guestcoming on.
Do we not?
We
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Do.
Her name is Lindsay Paoli andshe is a master's level
therapist and life coachpursuing dual licenses and
marriage and family therapy andclinical professional
counseling.
She has a master's degree inmarriage and family therapy and
work systematically treatingfamilies, couples, and
individuals.
She is the founder offundamental health.
Her specialty has been to treatanxiety and depression with
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preventative holistic andfunctional approach.
She guides clients to healthiermental lifestyles by encouraging
habit hacking and incorporatingher coin, mind fundamentals into
daily routine movement,intention, nourishment, deep
connections.
You can read more about how shelives in models, a
comprehensive, healthy lifestyleat www dot Lindsay.
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That's L I N D S E Y Paolithat's capital P a O L i.com.
So I'm going to reach out toLindsay and see if she can help
us answer some questions aboutanxiety and depression and see
what insight she has for ussince she's an expert.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
How are you?
Good long time.
No, see, no seriously.
Where do you live now, Ohio?
Oh, no, your son there.
Yeah, it's cold.
How's Las Vegas.
It's cold, but it's Las Vegascold.
It's like 62 and I'm miserable.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
I'm happy that you're willing to talk to us today.
We've been talking about anxietyand depression and I wanted to
reach out to you since you're anexpert and ask you a few
questions.
Like, do you see more clientsaround the holidays or during
this time during coronavirus?
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Um, during coronavirus, for sure.
So I actually am newlypracticing graduated last March
with my master's degree inmarriage and family therapy.
And right now I'm in, what'sconsidered our internship hours.
Each key is different, but, um,we're required 3000 hours of
licensure, almost like adoctor's residency.
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So I haven't been in there forlong enough really.
You know, I'll have more clientsduring this season.
Crazy though.
Gosh, I was still trying tobuild my practice at this time
last year.
But yeah, compared to last year,it's been a busy couple of
weeks.
I'll leave it at that.
I do prior races, clients beingin crisis over the holidays.
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Definitely.
What are the common
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Symptoms of anxiety and depression?
Speaker 4 (17:33):
So, um, it, it can manifest physically in your body
as well as in the way that youthink so anxiety can vary from
like where you think thoughtsand ability to sleep.
Um, inability to focus a lot oflike negative thoughts or really
fearful thoughts kind of likeinfiltrating your day to day
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life, but it can also manifestvery physically.
And I don't think peopleunderstand that section.
So you can have really digestiveproblems even like tension in
your neck and back and chest.
A lot of people describe thatthey know the onset of their
anxiety is coming by reallyshallow or short breathing and
that causes dizziness.
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So there's a lot of differentsymptoms and you'd be surprised
how easily you're able to adapt.
And most of us live with someform of anxiety on a day-to-day
basis.
And, um, it's all normalized inour society and has become a
part of the culture earliest inmeme culture online, where it's
all been normalized to the pointof for forgetting to take care
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of it, you know?
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah.
I feel like there's so manypeople with these issues.
Do you know if it's likeenvironmental or genetic or what
causes it, is it just experienceday-to-day life or
Speaker 4 (18:50):
It's definitely both.
I'm definitely a big believerthat anxiety is influenced by
both nature and nurture, right?
So some of it can be, um, brainchemistry, right?
So for a long time, we've statedanxiety solely with medication.
Um, and I think that we'restarting to steer a little more
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holistically and away from thatand using it less as the primary
response in my practice anyways,as definitely only use
medication as a last resort, butbrain chemistry is part of it.
But green from the Statesaffected by so much of what
we're in control of.
So, sorry, my practice, um, Ifeel a lot of women.
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And so they'll describe theirmothers as being brains or their
grandmothers as being veryanxious.
So a lot of these behaviors andpatterns are passed down from
generation to generation.
And it's just the typical waythat we're taught to respond to
certain things that are notnecessarily healthy.
And then just do become likemaladaptive bad habits that you
don't know how to shake becausethere's all this ever been
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modeled for you.
And you get kind of caught inthis cycle of not knowing how to
pull yourself out of it.
And so that's why having anunbiased third party to kind of
costume you in the app and startnoticing those patterns that you
don't even know that you're inbecause it's your norm.
Um, and then start challengingsome, create new patterns and
healthier ways of living, um,are able to change it just as
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much as meditation, if not moreand, um, change your brain
chemistry longterm even.
So it's almost more impactful.
And for a longer it's like, Ifeel like that's getting to the
root cause of the anxiety isidentifying a lot of those
patterns.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
So you actually help people create new patterns, like
techniques that they can use.
And you recommend that beforemedication medication is the
last resort
Speaker 4 (20:44):
In my practice.
That's not how everybody feels.
I think, like I said, I thinkthe medical community and the
mental health community isstarting to go in that
direction.
That's not to say that medicinedoes not have a place in the
mental health field becausethat's not true.
Um, there are definitely times,well, there are a lot of
diagnoses.
First of all, where withoutmedication management, you're
going to get very little resultsjust through talk therapy.
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But there are instances too,especially in the world of
anxiety and depression, where Ifeel like taking note of those
patterns and behaviors can bereally helpful.
Um, either in conjunction with,or without medication only
relying on medication whenthings are so severe that you're
not able to make any changewithin your day-to-day habits.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
How do people get help if they're suffering from
these symptoms, I let them knowyour website.
Is there anything that yourecommend?
Speaker 4 (21:35):
I do.
I'm a huge advocate.
Obviously I'm biased as atherapist, but for the world of
therapy, um, we didn't talkabout my backstory at all, but
the reason I actually became atherapist is I was diagnosed
with anxiety and depression at18 and I was not having it.
Like I was not going to talkabout it.
I was referred to a therapist.
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I referred medication, verybrief ticket, decided I didn't
like it.
I went to like one or twotherapist that I hated.
I walked out of one sessionliterally within five minutes.
And I just know that there's somuch of a stigma around the
therapy process that, um, I'mreally working to overcome that
as a therapist.
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Now who's been 12 years laterafter battling symptoms and
depression of depression andanxiety on my own and it not
working.
I'm a new job.
You think for finding atherapist as a good fit for you
and potentially a doctor or apsychiatrist to be able to
prescribe your medication needs.
If that's something that you'relooking forward to while keeping
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in mind your beliefs and yourgoals for your minimization of
your symptoms is finding theprofessionals that are right for
you.
Um, I think is crucial and beingable to alleviate the symptoms
of anxiety.
And so the number one place thatI recommend people to start
searching for a therapist,because like, what do you do?
You just go into Google andyou're like, I need a therapist,
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but I want to like them.
So I always say to go topsychology today.com and you're
able to search directly withinyour area there.
Um, the providers in your areawill have like a little blurb
about them, even like picturesof their office.
I think that finding a therapistthat you click with, well,
studies show that 85% of theeffectiveness of therapy relies
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on your therapeutic Alliancewith your therapist.
If you walk into a session anddon't like your therapist,
you're not going to do goodwork.
So I think going throughpsychology today and finding a
therapist that you feel thatconnection with, and then even
having a phone call with them,she said, well, rather than
scheduling through theirwebsite, you can tell through a
few minutes on the phone and belike, you're not right.
Yeah,
Speaker 1 (23:42):
No, I feel like I want to talk to you all day.
Maybe I should Skype.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
But you said psychology today.
Dot com.
That's where you can look.
And I gave you guys the websitewhere you can actually log on to
Lindsay's website and you cantalk to her.
And how do you usually doappointments?
Do you do them over the phone ordo they have to come in person?
Like how do you,
Speaker 4 (24:06):
So everything has really changed with the world of
global pandemic.
I think for a long time, theworld of therapy has thought
that therapy has to be done.
In-person, it's so important tolike read the energy of the room
and just be able to connect withsomebody and people who were
doing online therapy were almostseen as like quacks and people
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who were like scamming peoplefor money within the profession.
And this is within my smallworld, but this actually, and I
don't want to speak foreverybody, but it was almost
like looked down upon to dovirtual therapy.
And that was really unfortunatebecause we're a world that lives
online, you know, like we're ina society that lives on social
media and we do all of our workvia email.
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And so I felt like therapy waskind of getting left behind in
that process.
So I really think it's been areally great change that sort of
virus forced us all to go intoquarantine and lockdown and
pivot and learn how to do thingsdifferently.
And all of the therapists whohave now made the change to
being virtual have realized thatwe actually are able to connect.
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I mean, our schools have evenlearned, like it's not ideal,
but that we can do thingsdifferently.
We can do things from home.
Employers are learning.
We can be working from home.
So currently, and I mean, thiswill continue changing.
I'm sure as Corona numbers andregulations continue to change
currently, I'm seeing clientsboth in-person or virtually.
(25:31):
Um, but I really leave it up tothe clients, but a lot of
therapists are available for thevirtual process.
Now, if that's something thatyou're interested in, that's
beautiful.
I love that.
Um, so as therapists, we'relicensed, as I said earlier,
from state to state, so we cannot practice.
Like for instance, you said, howdo I call you and schedule a
(25:52):
therapy session?
Because I'm not licensed in thestate of Ohio where you're a
resident, you and I wouldn't beable to do therapies together.
So you would have to find, Iknow you'd have to find a
therapist in your area, butthat's also why on my website,
I'm starting to branch intocoaching, not mental health
coaching, but just moreself-help type direction.
(26:15):
Um, with anxiety and depression,I would definitely recommend a
therapist over a coach though.
There are anxiety coaches outthere.
Um, but if you see on my websitecoaching, that's why I'm able to
help people outside of, I'm notlimited as to just Nevada in
that class would be there.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
You've dropped so many nuggets today and I feel a
lot more knowledgeable and Ireally appreciate you coming on
here and talking to us today andhelping us.
And I think that you've given usall the, we need great.
Thanks so much.
Oh, thank you, Lindsay.
I hope you have a beautiful day.
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(27:16):
You guys, if you're lonely andyou feel like you can't go on
and just realize that I've beenthere, we've been there.
Tomorrow's a new day and youwill come out of this because
it's the ebb and flow of life.
Everything comes full circle.
So don't be embarrassed to asksomeone for help, baby steps
matter, just small things youchange can help the big picture
in the long run.
So just remember, you know,we're here for you.
(27:38):
We're here to make you laugh.
And if you need glasses, justcall Grady like eye glasses,
because he seriously is going todonate the money he makes off
Poshmark to kids that needglasses.
So yeah,
Speaker 2 (27:49):
When I was a kid, I didn't have enough money for
glasses.
My parents were having a prettytough time.
We lived in Albuquerque, NewMexico and Christmas actually
was a pretty sad time for methat year.
I didn't have any family and Ijust wanted to come back to Ohio
and I used to get beat up everyday.
They used to take my lunchmoney.
So for Christmas, I didn't haveglasses.
And I remember that the lion'sclub got me glasses.
(28:12):
If you remember, from our firstepisode, I told you that I had
these like bottle cap glasses,or you mentioned it and we
didn't have the money to buy newones.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Well, I lost my glasses all the time and I think
the bus ran over them one dayand I was, listen, I remember
getting in trouble with youbecause you were a boy.
I was a girl and I was probablyturned around talking.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
And then we were down on the floor looking for the
glasses because I think youdropped my glasses in the floor,
in the classroom.
And both of us were blinded thana bat.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Like we would share the same pair of glasses to look
at the chalkboard.
We couldn't see.
And we were all the way in theback.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
And the teacher snapped at us because she
thought we were doing somethingless than holier than thou
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Speaking of holes.
So like I used to, I used tolook through Ritz crackers.
Oh, this is what I see.
I have a genius.
I'm not, you know, my mom alwayssaid it was, you know, it's okay
if you're pretty, you know,cause you know, at least you're
pretty.
Cause I'd be like, mom, I'm sostupid.
She'd be like, well at leastyou're pretty.
And I'm like,, but you knowwhat?
(29:18):
I was smart too, because Ifigured out at an early age that
I could look through a RitzCracker and I could see
perfectly like 20, 20 vision.
If you looked at this tinylittle holes, you can see
perfectly.
And then when I was older, likeI went into this like store
called early grounded and theywere selling these glasses with
tiny little Ritz Cracker holes.
(29:38):
And it was like, this is how youstrengthen your, just wear these
for like an hour a day.
Yadda.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Yada, yada.
And I'm like, dude, I shouldhave thought of this because
I've been looking at a Crackerholes my whole life.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
I would pay money.
If I could see you put on Ritzcrackers and go to work,
Speaker 3 (29:57):
You know what, but you know, everyone in this room
Speaker 1 (29:59):
World's important and we all have special gifts to
bring into this world.
So you have so many, you're justlike every thing a woman would
want in a man.
Oh, you always lift women up.
You empower us.
You have a lot of women aroundyou Grady.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
I do.
And I'm very thankful for that.
You give us confidence.
They make our successful companymore successful
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Me through school.
He's making me be smart.
G
Speaker 2 (30:27):
That's a great step for you.
Didn't you drop out?
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Um, well you see, but like college, but I went to art
school and I got a degree.
You got a degree.
Yeah.
It didn't require math.
So, you know, I did it, but Iwas so scared of public
speaking.
And then when I had to get adegree in photography, I had to
take two waitresses.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Then you model, how the hell are you afraid of
public speaking?
Speaker 1 (30:51):
You know, it's crazy.
I can act and model all day ordance in front of hundreds of
people that doesn't bother me.
But if you're like her withoutclothes
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Either.
And then, you know, if you'relike, Hey Megan,
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Oh, you go on that table and dance in front of a
million people naked.
I'd be like, yeah, sure.
Have you done that?
No, but I would, if I got paidenough,
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Um, what don't get any ideas
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Like I had to get up and like talk to a class at
Harvard like you did.
I would, my pants.
Well,
Speaker 2 (31:21):
I think I was pooping in my pants.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Really?
How did you get through that?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
No, it was kinda tough.
Um, um, with a lot of peoplethat are in very intimidating
and I always saw them as beingsuper successful and I didn't
know it until afterwards, butthey found me, which I found to
be ironic and ridiculous,equally intimidating.
So
Speaker 1 (31:42):
We are always our own worst enemy.
Like I think our brainsnaturally are always fighting it
like with these negativethoughts or you're always
thinking, what are they thinkingabout me?
Am I not good enough?
These are the thoughts thatcause anxiety and depression.
You just need to learn how tolove yourself, you know, but we
do need to wrap this up, like agift Christmas gift because you
(32:03):
know, we're coming to the end ofour show.
That's kind of cool.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Oh, that is depressing.
But the upbeat part of that iswe have a show coming up next
week
Speaker 1 (32:12):
And it's going to be about dot, dot, dot.
It may be a surprise.
Yeah.
A surprise gift show.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
I don't like saying what our next topic is.
We always come up with someharebrained idea to have a new
topic.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Yeah.
I didn't mean to interrupt youGrady.
Sorry.
I'm so rude.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Well, apparently I'm rude all the time, but I don't
try to be.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
But lovelies, you just keep being the fat that you
are.
We love you.
We are here for, we are all inthis together.
Let's make the world a betterplace by starting with healing
ourselves.
Because right now the planetneeds to heal and n eeds some
care, just like all of us.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
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Speaker 1 (32:58):
All right, love me as well.
I hope you have a wonderful weekand tune into us and subscribe
and we definitely love you.
Peace and love.
Hello lovelies you precious pea pod casters.
Welcome to in the grind with Megand Grady sponsored by the
records company on MeganRhianna.
And this is Grady.
Merryn
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Megan.
I got to say my own name.
Okay.
Sorry.
Oh, this is greedy Morin.
Hello?
Grady.
Hey Ren, 28 years.
We've been together.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Yeah, we've been best friends since grade school.
As you guys know recently, Imoved back to my hometown,
Ripley, Ohio, rom Las Vegas,Nevada, and me and Grady just
picked up where we started.
It was like, no time ever wentby.
I'm like we never skipped abeat.
Right?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Well, we kind of skipped a beat.
You moved across country.
I know,
Speaker 1 (00:57):
But it was like, when we were together, there was no
time in between.
We just always pick up where weleft off
Speaker 2 (01:02):
That's because we laugh at each other and I
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Needed you.
I mean, I was devastated.
Ryan came back.
I was oppressed and lost becauseI just went through a breakup.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
My boyfriend.
Well, which one?
The one I was with for twoyears.
Wait, the gay guy.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Well, that was way long ago.
That was like in my twenties.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
You're in your twenties.
You just said you were 28.
Oh yeah.
I forgot.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah, because you took me to a Botox party
yesterday and you helped myface.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Well, Botox helped her face.
I just encouraged you.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
You're like everything a woman wants in a
man without the, you know what?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I'm glad, that's glad you think so.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Oh man.
Well, I picked it all up.
I drove away in my RV and myaunt, my cousin, my mom, my two
dogs and I had a rabbit.
We had to like drive all mystuff cross country.
And I have like breakdowns.
The entire way home was
Speaker 2 (01:57):
So sad.
I was down afterwards to yourmom sent me the video.
Oh.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah.
That was pretty pathetic.
Why does she record me when I'mhaving psychophysics?
Anyway, you know what?
I ran away from the life I hadbuilt for like eight years in
the city of sin.
And you know, it's hard for meto adjust and I was just heart
broken.
Like I couldn't sleep.
I cried all the time.
It was horrible.
I finally had to call my doctor.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Well, if I was with a tracker, man, I probably would
be the same way too.
I mean, he was in special opsfor God's sakes.
That's true.
Well, we probably should.
He was a narcissist.
Yeah.
He had some issues
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Anyway, that can really, really mess with your
self-esteem.
Well, when nothing that you dois good enough, like you can't
cut an onion the right way.
You can't move the right way.
Like I was slowly losing myself,you know, so I needed to get
away.
So I'm just so thankful for myfriends and my family that I
have here.
And like helping me get healthyand back on track.
(02:55):
And I pretty much
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Had to rub an old wound, but I know where you're
coming from.
Because when I came out to Vegasto visit you, we were attending
an expo.
We met up with you.
We had dinner.
And the entire time you hadaluminum foil in your lap that
you kept chewing from.
So I would assume you weretrying to disappear from the
moment.
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I was eating weed gummies.
Yeah.
You know, I did that a lotbecause I was like, I think it
was unhappy with, you know, mylife and I couldn't figure out
why.
And I think the problem was likemy relationship.
So I think I was trying to dealwith not feeling anything.
So I would just eat wheatgummies.
Like they were candy.
(03:36):
Y eah.
You couldn't eat enough.
Well, I had so much anxiety a nddepression.
I needed an escape, I guess.
And also like I went through atime where I just slept all day.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I know.
But there was that time that Idied laughing.
When you told me that you werein an airport, can you tell us
that?
Oh, my embarrassing story.
Yeah.
The most humorous story.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah.
One time like, um, this guy gaveme these free pants.
They were like sweat pants.
And he gave me this top.
He was a designer.
I think he came in from aconvention into Vegas and he was
like, Hey, here's a free outfit.
I'm like, cool.
You know, and I wore this freeoutfit through the airport and
now I know why it was freebecause as I'm walking through
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the airport, I have a lime greenthumb, by the way, let's not
forget that part.
I'm walking through the airport.
I sit down at my gate and I feelsomething so cold on my.
So I it's so cold that I pop upin this guy across from me.
He just starts rolling on thefloor, laughing at me.
And, and I thought, you.
(04:41):
Like you didn't even tell methat I had a hole in my pants
while I looked back.
And the whole in was justripped.
Like my whole had been hangingout the whole way through the
airport and everybody could seemy lime green thong.
And I just thought that wasreally rude.
Like next time you see someonewith their thong hanging out
(05:01):
with them.
No, I h ad t o t ake thatsweater off and put it around my
waist and wear it li ke that.
The entire time I was soembarrassed.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
He got a lot of pictures.
He wasn't embarrassed.
Well, the question I have foryou is how did you not fill?
You're asking me,
Speaker 3 (05:19):
You know, I don't know.
You know, I don't feel a lot ofthings.
Like one time I had all thecocktail waitresses at the
casino looking for my phone andone of my friends, her boyfriend
was trying to track it andeverything, you know, and he
kept saying, it's in thebuilding, it's in the building.
And like, we were blaming it onlike the lady that cleaned the
(05:40):
bathroom and all this.
Right.
And come to find out it was inmy b rawl the whole time.
And we h ave looked for it forlike an hour.
And I d idn't k now i t, myfriends w ere like, you d idn't
Speaker 2 (05:54):
One touching your breasts.
And I don't even fake.
And I can't
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Feel
Speaker 3 (06:03):
That's up.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Well, it reminds me of one time when I was in Hawaii
and I thought I would be supersporty and fun.
We went to the North shore,which is on the other side of
the Island in Hawaii.
Yeah.
Okay.
And I wanted to act like I wasprofessional diver.
So I climbed up this mountain.
It was very tall and I'mpetrified of Heights.
(06:26):
I jumped off.
And of course, as I'm jumpingoff, my body turns over and I
belly flop in the ocean.
And what I didn't realize iswhen I, after I belly flopped
and I went down and it hurt, Imean, it hurt like a mother that
hurt your penis.
It hurt everything.
Let me tell you, it's just likea rubber band snap, my entire
(06:48):
body.
But that, wasn't the funny part.
Ouch.
The funny part was is that whenI swam ashore and everybody's
like swimming toward me askingme if I'm okay and I'm like,
yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm good.
I'm great.
And I'm being very macho.
I swim up.
There's these kids on the beachand I get up and I'm walking and
I'm like holding my head uphigh.
I'm going straight to the car.
(07:09):
I'm not worried about anyonetalking to me or anything else
at this point because I probablyneed to cry.
And then I see this ladyscreaming and she's running over
with a towel and she covers meup.
And I'm like, what happened?
Apparently the only thing thatwas left of my shorts was the
(07:29):
scenes of all.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
He used to be attached.
Oh my God.
Oh Lord.
So everybody got a show forfree.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Oh, I don't know if it was much of one, but uh, I
didn't go back there after thatfirst.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
You got paid for that.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Hey, I'm not as stripper.
Didn't you strip once?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Uh, no.
I was a go-go dancer though.
Isn't it?
The same?
Good, good dancer.
Doesn't take off their clothes.
They're just for entertainmentpurposes.
They usually have on a cuteoutfit and they dance.
It's like getting paid toexercise.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Well, the holidays are coming up.
Maybe we'll talk about mystripping days.
No, that's why I kind of triedto move on, but Christmas is
coming up.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah.
The holidays are bright.
Like around the corner.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
A lot of people get kind of depressed, anxious
around the holidays.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
You know what guys we've been through a lot this
year.
I mean, it's been, COVID-19,we've been in quarantine.
A lot of people have lost theirjobs.
You know, money's not flowingthe way it used to.
Don't beat yourself up.
Don't like give in to all thecommercialized stuff that you
see on TV or on the radio.
Like it's the simple things it'sdecorating a tree, enjoying the
(08:45):
people you're with looking atyour Christmas lights, baking
cookies, putting icing on them,making Garlin out of popcorn,
things like that.
Baking and giving
Speaker 3 (08:56):
To other people.
You could bake a meal.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Tell me about the most exciting thing that you did
for Christmas once.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
One of the most memorable things, um, is when I
was in Vegas, my roommate andher mother, they were like, Hey,
do you want to come with us andgo Christmas Carol for this
orphanage?
And I was like, Oh my God.
Yeah.
That sounds amazing becausethese kids don't have anybody.
Like what a great idea.
So we took this huge like bag,like we were Santa Claus, you
know, took a big old Santa Clausbag full of candy.
(09:24):
Oh, we don't know what that is.
It's like a big garbage bag.
And it's like nicer than agarbage
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Bag.
Kind of what you moved back homein,
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Except you got a Mercedes RV[inaudible] and then
we show up and like we sangChristmas carols to these kids
and their eyes lit up and it wasjust so amazing.
And you know, those are thethings that matter.
I mean, when it all boils downto everything like, and doing
crafts with your kids, you canmake ornaments to hang on the
tree.
You don't have to buy ornaments.
(09:57):
Like you got stuff around yourhouse, get creative.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
So tell me the most hilarious holiday you've had the
most hilarious.
Yeah.
You just told us about the limegreen thong.
I mean, you had another timewhere you were wearing flip
flops and fell down the stairsthat Citibank in front of CEO
allowed to talk about bad thingson here.
Well, just keep it somewhatcensored.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Okay.
So one time it was a holiday andI got all dressed up, you know,
am I boring?
You you're flipping through yourphone doing over there.
So I, I am.
Um, so I, I got all dressed upand, you know, got put on some
cute little outfit.
What do you know about pastries?
(10:41):
Do you wear a pasting?
So, and you know, but my mansand like crown Royal stuff like
that, bought him some littletoys, you know, having fun time.
That's that was his Christmasgift.
Oh, like a fun party.
Yeah.
And then when I took like this,and then I had these like
popsicles that were like thecolors of Christmas, I like kind
(11:02):
of wanted to show off.
Right.
I wanted to like show him likehow deep I could put the
Popsicle, broke i t, my throat.
Okay.
And I started to g ag.
I was, I had h im wait for it tomelt.
I had to wait for it.
Do you know?
Horrible that i t surprised heralive.
(11:25):
I know I c ould h ave died inthat.
And that's why, a nd a t myfuneral you would have had to be
like, this is my best friend,Megan.
She died because s he had aPopsicle stuck down o ur throat
because she was like, that'sembarrassing.
Like we w ould h ave had to putin the obituary.
Why?
Oh Lord.
Yeah.
That was bad.
(11:46):
Grady.
How was your Christmas when youwere,
Speaker 2 (11:48):
You know, I use my mind a lot when I was younger.
We didn't have a lot of money.
I came from very small town.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Yeah.
You were like from the hillbillyarea like me.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Uh, we didn't have much to play with except your
toys.
And,
Speaker 3 (12:04):
And then
Speaker 2 (12:07):
We didn't have a lot of things.
And so I had to use my mind.
I think you can learn so muchfrom kids.
They are super creative, but themost audacious story is that for
Christmas, I imagined that I wasSanta Claus and I was trying to
deliver presents to my neighborsexcept I was stealing my
(12:27):
mother's figurines anddelivering them.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Oh, I remember when you gave me her ceramic owl.
I loved it.
Oh my God.
That was sweet.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
I had an interesting mom.
She had her belly buttonpierced.
And I remember you asking herabout that one time.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
I got my belly button pierced because of that.
I still have it pierced.
I thought it was cool.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yeah.
So I mean, but I have nothing incomparison to, to your story.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Yeah.
Don't try that at home kids,please do not just the stupidest
thing I've ever tried to doanyway.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Wait, tell me another stupid thing.
You've tried to do
Speaker 3 (13:05):
One time.
I was pinging outside and I waslike squatting and I fell
backwards.
And guess where the P wetanother stupid thing I've done?
Hmm.
Oh, one time I was drunk inAustralia and I was like
(13:26):
partying with all these people.
And uh, I think I made all thewomen take off their pants or
no, I made all the men take offtheir pants and give us their
boxers.
And we put on everybody'sboxers.
And we started swimming in thispool, in this really nice fancy
club.
And we started riding around onone of those swans, you know,
there's blow ups.
And I had my heels on the wholetime.
(13:48):
And like this place was supernice and we were acting like we
were from like Adams County.
I don't know Brown County.
Like we were acting fools.
And then I was so wet and I onlyhad like a towel wrapped around
me i n my boyfriend's cowboyboots.
And I was walking down thestreets of Australia trying to
get a cab to pick me up andnobody would pick me up because
I was soaking wet and I had noclothes on at that time.
(14:11):
W ell, you would
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Think that they would pick you up just for that
reason.
I had
Speaker 3 (14:14):
No clothes on and I had cowboy boots on that were
like way too big for me.
And nobody would pick me up.
They thought I was crazy.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
I don't know why they would think.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Well, you know, being depressed is no joke Grady.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
No, it's definitely not, but it is fun to laugh so
that you don't find yourselfbeing too depressed.
And I know the holidays are kindof a depressing time for some,
because we've lost some.
And that's when we remember themthe most when they're not here.
But in order to get out of thosethings, you just have to keep
pushing forward, keep yourselfpositive.
(14:49):
And I think we have a guestcoming on.
Do we not?
We
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Do.
Her name is Lindsay Paoli andshe is a master's level
therapist and life coachpursuing dual licenses and
marriage and family therapy andclinical professional
counseling.
She has a master's degree inmarriage and family therapy and
work systematically treatingfamilies, couples, and
individuals.
She is the founder offundamental health.
Her specialty has been to treatanxiety and depression with
(15:13):
preventative holistic andfunctional approach.
She guides clients to healthiermental lifestyles by encouraging
habit hacking and incorporatingher coin, mind fundamentals into
daily routine movement,intention, nourishment, deep
connections.
You can read more about how shelives in models, a
comprehensive, healthy lifestyleat www dot Lindsay.
(15:36):
That's L I N D S E Y Paolithat's capital P a O L i.com.
So I'm going to reach out toLindsay and see if she can help
us answer some questions aboutanxiety and depression and see
what insight she has for ussince she's an expert.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
How are you?
Good long time.
No, see, no seriously.
Where do you live now, Ohio?
Oh, no, your son there.
Yeah, it's cold.
How's Las Vegas.
It's cold, but it's Las Vegascold.
It's like 62 and I'm miserable.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
I'm happy that you're willing to talk to us today.
We've been talking about anxietyand depression and I wanted to
reach out to you since you're anexpert and ask you a few
questions.
Like, do you see more clientsaround the holidays or during
this time during coronavirus?
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Um, during coronavirus, for sure.
So I actually am newlypracticing graduated last March
with my master's degree inmarriage and family therapy.
And right now I'm in, what'sconsidered our internship hours.
Each key is different, but, um,we're required 3000 hours of
licensure, almost like adoctor's residency.
(17:04):
So I haven't been in there forlong enough really.
You know, I'll have more clientsduring this season.
Crazy though.
Gosh, I was still trying tobuild my practice at this time
last year.
But yeah, compared to last year,it's been a busy couple of
weeks.
I'll leave it at that.
I do prior races, clients beingin crisis over the holidays.
(17:28):
Definitely.
What are the common
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Symptoms of anxiety and depression?
Speaker 4 (17:33):
So, um, it, it can manifest physically in your body
as well as in the way that youthink so anxiety can vary from
like where you think thoughtsand ability to sleep.
Um, inability to focus a lot oflike negative thoughts or really
fearful thoughts kind of likeinfiltrating your day to day
(17:56):
life, but it can also manifestvery physically.
And I don't think peopleunderstand that section.
So you can have really digestiveproblems even like tension in
your neck and back and chest.
A lot of people describe thatthey know the onset of their
anxiety is coming by reallyshallow or short breathing and
that causes dizziness.
(18:16):
So there's a lot of differentsymptoms and you'd be surprised
how easily you're able to adapt.
And most of us live with someform of anxiety on a day-to-day
basis.
And, um, it's all normalized inour society and has become a
part of the culture earliest inmeme culture online, where it's
all been normalized to the pointof for forgetting to take care
(18:37):
of it, you know?
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah.
I feel like there's so manypeople with these issues.
Do you know if it's likeenvironmental or genetic or what
causes it, is it just experienceday-to-day life or
Speaker 4 (18:50):
It's definitely both.
I'm definitely a big believerthat anxiety is influenced by
both nature and nurture, right?
So some of it can be, um, brainchemistry, right?
So for a long time, we've statedanxiety solely with medication.
Um, and I think that we'restarting to steer a little more
(19:14):
holistically and away from thatand using it less as the primary
response in my practice anyways,as definitely only use
medication as a last resort, butbrain chemistry is part of it.
But green from the Statesaffected by so much of what
we're in control of.
So, sorry, my practice, um, Ifeel a lot of women.
(19:35):
And so they'll describe theirmothers as being brains or their
grandmothers as being veryanxious.
So a lot of these behaviors andpatterns are passed down from
generation to generation.
And it's just the typical waythat we're taught to respond to
certain things that are notnecessarily healthy.
And then just do become likemaladaptive bad habits that you
don't know how to shake becausethere's all this ever been
(19:56):
modeled for you.
And you get kind of caught inthis cycle of not knowing how to
pull yourself out of it.
And so that's why having anunbiased third party to kind of
costume you in the app and startnoticing those patterns that you
don't even know that you're inbecause it's your norm.
Um, and then start challengingsome, create new patterns and
healthier ways of living, um,are able to change it just as
(20:18):
much as meditation, if not moreand, um, change your brain
chemistry longterm even.
So it's almost more impactful.
And for a longer it's like, Ifeel like that's getting to the
root cause of the anxiety isidentifying a lot of those
patterns.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
So you actually help people create new patterns, like
techniques that they can use.
And you recommend that beforemedication medication is the
last resort
Speaker 4 (20:44):
In my practice.
That's not how everybody feels.
I think, like I said, I thinkthe medical community and the
mental health community isstarting to go in that
direction.
That's not to say that medicinedoes not have a place in the
mental health field becausethat's not true.
Um, there are definitely times,well, there are a lot of
diagnoses.
First of all, where withoutmedication management, you're
going to get very little resultsjust through talk therapy.
(21:07):
But there are instances too,especially in the world of
anxiety and depression, where Ifeel like taking note of those
patterns and behaviors can bereally helpful.
Um, either in conjunction with,or without medication only
relying on medication whenthings are so severe that you're
not able to make any changewithin your day-to-day habits.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
How do people get help if they're suffering from
these symptoms, I let them knowyour website.
Is there anything that yourecommend?
Speaker 4 (21:35):
I do.
I'm a huge advocate.
Obviously I'm biased as atherapist, but for the world of
therapy, um, we didn't talkabout my backstory at all, but
the reason I actually became atherapist is I was diagnosed
with anxiety and depression at18 and I was not having it.
Like I was not going to talkabout it.
I was referred to a therapist.
(21:56):
I referred medication, verybrief ticket, decided I didn't
like it.
I went to like one or twotherapist that I hated.
I walked out of one sessionliterally within five minutes.
And I just know that there's somuch of a stigma around the
therapy process that, um, I'mreally working to overcome that
as a therapist.
(22:17):
Now who's been 12 years laterafter battling symptoms and
depression of depression andanxiety on my own and it not
working.
I'm a new job.
You think for finding atherapist as a good fit for you
and potentially a doctor or apsychiatrist to be able to
prescribe your medication needs.
If that's something that you'relooking forward to while keeping
(22:38):
in mind your beliefs and yourgoals for your minimization of
your symptoms is finding theprofessionals that are right for
you.
Um, I think is crucial and beingable to alleviate the symptoms
of anxiety.
And so the number one place thatI recommend people to start
searching for a therapist,because like, what do you do?
You just go into Google andyou're like, I need a therapist,
(23:00):
but I want to like them.
So I always say to go topsychology today.com and you're
able to search directly withinyour area there.
Um, the providers in your areawill have like a little blurb
about them, even like picturesof their office.
I think that finding a therapistthat you click with, well,
studies show that 85% of theeffectiveness of therapy relies
(23:22):
on your therapeutic Alliancewith your therapist.
If you walk into a session anddon't like your therapist,
you're not going to do goodwork.
So I think going throughpsychology today and finding a
therapist that you feel thatconnection with, and then even
having a phone call with them,she said, well, rather than
scheduling through theirwebsite, you can tell through a
few minutes on the phone and belike, you're not right.
Yeah,
Speaker 1 (23:42):
No, I feel like I want to talk to you all day.
Maybe I should Skype.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
But you said psychology today.
Dot com.
That's where you can look.
And I gave you guys the websitewhere you can actually log on to
Lindsay's website and you cantalk to her.
And how do you usually doappointments?
Do you do them over the phone ordo they have to come in person?
Like how do you,
Speaker 4 (24:06):
So everything has really changed with the world of
global pandemic.
I think for a long time, theworld of therapy has thought
that therapy has to be done.
In-person, it's so important tolike read the energy of the room
and just be able to connect withsomebody and people who were
doing online therapy were almostseen as like quacks and people
(24:28):
who were like scamming peoplefor money within the profession.
And this is within my smallworld, but this actually, and I
don't want to speak foreverybody, but it was almost
like looked down upon to dovirtual therapy.
And that was really unfortunatebecause we're a world that lives
online, you know, like we're ina society that lives on social
media and we do all of our workvia email.
(24:50):
And so I felt like therapy waskind of getting left behind in
that process.
So I really think it's been areally great change that sort of
virus forced us all to go intoquarantine and lockdown and
pivot and learn how to do thingsdifferently.
And all of the therapists whohave now made the change to
being virtual have realized thatwe actually are able to connect.
(25:11):
I mean, our schools have evenlearned, like it's not ideal,
but that we can do thingsdifferently.
We can do things from home.
Employers are learning.
We can be working from home.
So currently, and I mean, thiswill continue changing.
I'm sure as Corona numbers andregulations continue to change
currently, I'm seeing clientsboth in-person or virtually.
(25:31):
Um, but I really leave it up tothe clients, but a lot of
therapists are available for thevirtual process.
Now, if that's something thatyou're interested in, that's
beautiful.
I love that.
Um, so as therapists, we'relicensed, as I said earlier,
from state to state, so we cannot practice.
Like for instance, you said, howdo I call you and schedule a
(25:52):
therapy session?
Because I'm not licensed in thestate of Ohio where you're a
resident, you and I wouldn't beable to do therapies together.
So you would have to find, Iknow you'd have to find a
therapist in your area, butthat's also why on my website,
I'm starting to branch intocoaching, not mental health
coaching, but just moreself-help type direction.
(26:15):
Um, with anxiety and depression,I would definitely recommend a
therapist over a coach though.
There are anxiety coaches outthere.
Um, but if you see on my websitecoaching, that's why I'm able to
help people outside of, I'm notlimited as to just Nevada in
that class would be there.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
You've dropped so many nuggets today and I feel a
lot more knowledgeable and Ireally appreciate you coming on
here and talking to us today andhelping us.
And I think that you've given usall the, we need great.
Thanks so much.
Oh, thank you, Lindsay.
I hope you have a beautiful day.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
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(27:16):
You guys, if you're lonely andyou feel like you can't go on
and just realize that I've beenthere, we've been there.
Tomorrow's a new day and youwill come out of this because
it's the ebb and flow of life.
Everything comes full circle.
So don't be embarrassed to asksomeone for help, baby steps
matter, just small things youchange can help the big picture
in the long run.
So just remember, you know,we're here for you.
(27:38):
We're here to make you laugh.
And if you need glasses, justcall Grady like eye glasses,
because he seriously is going todonate the money he makes off
Poshmark to kids that needglasses.
So yeah,
Speaker 2 (27:49):
When I was a kid, I didn't have enough money for
glasses.
My parents were having a prettytough time.
We lived in Albuquerque, NewMexico and Christmas actually
was a pretty sad time for methat year.
I didn't have any family and Ijust wanted to come back to Ohio
and I used to get beat up everyday.
They used to take my lunchmoney.
So for Christmas, I didn't haveglasses.
And I remember that the lion'sclub got me glasses.
(28:12):
If you remember, from our firstepisode, I told you that I had
these like bottle cap glasses,or you mentioned it and we
didn't have the money to buy newones.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Well, I lost my glasses all the time and I think
the bus ran over them one dayand I was, listen, I remember
getting in trouble with youbecause you were a boy.
I was a girl and I was probablyturned around talking.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
And then we were down on the floor looking for the
glasses because I think youdropped my glasses in the floor,
in the classroom.
And both of us were blinded thana bat.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Like we would share the same pair of glasses to look
at the chalkboard.
We couldn't see.
And we were all the way in theback.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
And the teacher snapped at us because she
thought we were doing somethingless than holier than thou
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Speaking of holes.
So like I used to, I used tolook through Ritz crackers.
Oh, this is what I see.
I have a genius.
I'm not, you know, my mom alwayssaid it was, you know, it's okay
if you're pretty, you know,cause you know, at least you're
pretty.
Cause I'd be like, mom, I'm sostupid.
She'd be like, well at leastyou're pretty.
And I'm like,, but you knowwhat?
(29:18):
I was smart too, because Ifigured out at an early age that
I could look through a RitzCracker and I could see
perfectly like 20, 20 vision.
If you looked at this tinylittle holes, you can see
perfectly.
And then when I was older, likeI went into this like store
called early grounded and theywere selling these glasses with
tiny little Ritz Cracker holes.
(29:38):
And it was like, this is how youstrengthen your, just wear these
for like an hour a day.
Yadda.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Yada, yada.
And I'm like, dude, I shouldhave thought of this because
I've been looking at a Crackerholes my whole life.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
I would pay money.
If I could see you put on Ritzcrackers and go to work,
Speaker 3 (29:57):
You know what, but you know, everyone in this room
Speaker 1 (29:59):
World's important and we all have special gifts to
bring into this world.
So you have so many, you're justlike every thing a woman would
want in a man.
Oh, you always lift women up.
You empower us.
You have a lot of women aroundyou Grady.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
I do.
And I'm very thankful for that.
You give us confidence.
They make our successful companymore successful
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Me through school.
He's making me be smart.
G
Speaker 2 (30:27):
That's a great step for you.
Didn't you drop out?
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Um, well you see, but like college, but I went to art
school and I got a degree.
You got a degree.
Yeah.
It didn't require math.
So, you know, I did it, but Iwas so scared of public
speaking.
And then when I had to get adegree in photography, I had to
take two waitresses.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Then you model, how the hell are you afraid of
public speaking?
Speaker 1 (30:51):
You know, it's crazy.
I can act and model all day ordance in front of hundreds of
people that doesn't bother me.
But if you're like her withoutclothes
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Either.
And then, you know, if you'relike, Hey Megan,
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Oh, you go on that table and dance in front of a
million people naked.
I'd be like, yeah, sure.
Have you done that?
No, but I would, if I got paidenough,
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Um, what don't get any ideas
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Like I had to get up and like talk to a class at
Harvard like you did.
I would, my pants.
Well,
Speaker 2 (31:21):
I think I was pooping in my pants.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Really?
How did you get through that?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
No, it was kinda tough.
Um, um, with a lot of peoplethat are in very intimidating
and I always saw them as beingsuper successful and I didn't
know it until afterwards, butthey found me, which I found to
be ironic and ridiculous,equally intimidating.
So
Speaker 1 (31:42):
We are always our own worst enemy.
Like I think our brainsnaturally are always fighting it
like with these negativethoughts or you're always
thinking, what are they thinkingabout me?
Am I not good enough?
These are the thoughts thatcause anxiety and depression.
You just need to learn how tolove yourself, you know, but we
do need to wrap this up, like agift Christmas gift because you
(32:03):
know, we're coming to the end ofour show.
That's kind of cool.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Oh, that is depressing.
But the upbeat part of that iswe have a show coming up next
week
Speaker 1 (32:12):
And it's going to be about dot, dot, dot.
It may be a surprise.
Yeah.
A surprise gift show.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
I don't like saying what our next topic is.
We always come up with someharebrained idea to have a new
topic.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Yeah.
I didn't mean to interrupt youGrady.
Sorry.
I'm so rude.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Well, apparently I'm rude all the time, but I don't
try to be.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
But lovelies, you just keep being the fat that you
are.
We love you.
We are here for, we are all inthis together.
Let's make the world a betterplace by starting with healing
ourselves.
Because right now the planetneeds to heal and n eeds some
care, just like all of us.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
And if you're interested in our channel and
what we got to say or what notto say, subscribe,
Speaker 1 (32:58):
All right, love me as well.
I hope you have a wonderful weekand tune into us and subscribe
and we definitely love you.
Peace and love.
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