September 22, 2025 • 14 mins
What was it like to hit the road in the late ’80s and early ’90s without cell phones, GPS, or streaming music? In this episode, I take you back to my days as a Black Gen Xer making 14-hour road trips from Pine Bluff, Arkansas to Tampa, Florida. From glovebox maps and pay phones to dodging sundown towns and planning gas stops, traveling was more than just getting from point A to point B — it was survival. I share the strategies, the risks, and the independence that defined an entire generation of travelers.
If you’ve ever wondered how Gen X navigated long-distance road trips — or what it meant to travel while Black in the South — this is an episode you don’t want to miss.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Let me read the quick hand and get started. Somebody
recently asked me how did Generation X travel back in
the day when they were in their late teens and
early twenties. I can't speak for everyone, but I can
tell you, as a member of Generation X, and as
a member of Black Generation X, back in the day
when we had no GPS, no satellite radio, and no
(00:26):
forms of communication, from that standpoint that for us, these
were challenging and interesting times in terms of how we traveled.
It was a great example of our independence and our
survival skills. And it's something that you can never truly
appreciate unless you've experienced it yourself. So let's get started first.
For purposes of me describing it, I want to make
sure I set it in context so that this way
(00:47):
you can have you can follow along accordingly. For me,
I grew up in Pinebleth, Arkansas, and I went to
school at a small school in Tampa called the University
of Tampa. I drove with my college buddy from tamp Pinebaluf,
Arkansas to Tampa, Florida, which is roughly about nine hundred
miles that it's about a fourteen hour drive. And I
will tell you this was my mechanism for traveling back
(01:08):
and forth. Now, interestingly enough, after my freshman year, I
would ride the bus back and forth. But when I
got my first car in nineteen ninety one, guess what
I did. That's right, I drove back to Tampa. And
while I was in graduate school at the University of
South Florida from ninety three to ninety five, that was
my mechanism. So for a good eight year time period,
driving back and forth from Pine Bluff to Tampa, Florida
(01:32):
was my norm. And I can tell you it was
a unique challenge, but it wasn't unique for me because
if you remember Generation X, making those types of long
power road trips was the norm. It was a great
example of our independence. But because I was driving through
areas that had a history behind them with regards to
certain hostilities against people of color, I had to be
(01:54):
mindful of how I moved as well. So I want
to share with you how this travel often took form.
Let's talk about how do we actually get there? Maps
and you're thinking, okay, for some of you, you may
be thinking about map quests. No go back older than that.
We're talking about physical maps, and there were three ways
you could get them Triple A, ram McNally or Atlas.
(02:14):
Let's talk about Triple A for those of you who
may have heard a Triple A Triple A officer roadside
service to assist you if your card breaks down. Some
people don't realize is that, and I don't know if
they still do. There was a point in time the
Triple A would actually provide you mapping service. So if
you needed to figure out how to get from point
A to point B, you could contact them Triple A
and they literally could provide you a map that laid
(02:36):
out all the directions and turns that you needed to
get to from point A to point B. I did
that was my buddy my first year, because my mom
had a Triple account. I think his parents did too.
But after that I didn't rely on it as much.
I then relied on the other two forms which were
common at the time. Ram McNally an Atlas. Now, for
those of you who don't know, Atlas was more of
a geographical based map, meaning it was for me, it
(03:00):
literally gave you a map of a region, so for
me it was the Southeast region. Or you could get
a statewide map like a Florida map. Is so fourth,
but for me, it was a regional map. So I
literally had a map that took me from Arkansas all
the way to Florida. Ran McNally, which is what you
could get in almost any convenience store or any gas
station would give you a map of the city. So
(03:22):
this was great and for me because I knew I
had to travel between a couple of locations Jackson, Mississippi,
Mobile Alabama, Tallhassee, Florida, I now had a map that
gave me the ability to navigate in those areas, specifically
in terms of side streets, backstreets, whatever the case may be.
And this way, I wouldn't go ahead of time if
I needed to go a particular place where I could
(03:44):
go because I had a map I could rely upon.
Trust me, if you talk to anyone whose generation X
and they did any tide for driveway, if you were
to look in their glove compartment back in the day,
you were going to find at least two or three
maps folded up hug in the back. Because that's how
we maneuver. Remember, no GPS at the time, we didn't
have any of those nice bells and whistles that we're
going to guide us there. We had to become experts
(04:05):
at land navigation and this is how we did it.
So now that you've got your maps, you also have
to keep in mind that maps is only one part
of it. You also had to be mindful that if
you were going to a location that required you to maneuver,
and let's just be clear for us, back in the day,
there was very very few straight shots to go from
point A to point B. You needed to be mindful
(04:26):
of where you needed to turn if you needed to.
So land now became a part of our DNA, and
part of that land navigation was landmarks. We started determining
where is something in proximity to where we're going to
eventually have to turn, So whether it be a school,
or a restaurant, or just maybe some random tree or
some random body of water, these things became crucial because
(04:48):
in order for us to know where we were going
to need to turn next, we needed to have a
reference point. And this is how we got it. Now
that you've got that, you keep in mind maps landmarks
great still need a little bit more roads are you
traveling on? Remember in most instances when we had people
talking to us, they would tell us number based roads,
so they would say road thirteen or fourteen, whatever the
(05:09):
case may be. But you have to remember what type
of road it was a county road, state road, US highway,
or interstate. Now, for those of you who are like,
why does that matter, it matters a whole lot because
what matters based on what road you're traveling on, you
are going to learn quickly what types of issues you
need to be mindful of. If you were on a
county road, those roads were probably doominantly two lanes. They
(05:32):
almost always went through places where there was almost hardly
any people there. There was almost nothing readily proximity to
the area. And here's the thing you need to be
mindful of. If you're on a county road and break down,
there's a good chance you're gonna be out there by yourself.
And so that was important. State roads and most in
county roads. A lot of times we knew the designation
because the number would be encopisilated in a circle. So
(05:53):
if it was county road thirteen, it'd be a circle
with thirteen, and you knew that was a county road.
State roads, you usually was the outline of the state
and the number inside it as well. Again, state roads
were kind of hit or miss, like some state roads
would be two lanes, some roads four lanes. It just
depended same thing, some of the same issues that you
(06:15):
have with like Conley County roads. You're probably gonna find
yourself going through a lot of back road areas and
so forth, going to have greater connections to more established towns,
but in this particular instance, you're still dealing with back roads.
Once you hit US highways, gets a little bit better.
Most of you US highways, or at least hopefully will
be four lanes. But don't be surprised if you run
(06:36):
into US highways that are two lanes. And I cannot
stress it enough. US highways, county highways, and state highways
almost invariably are going through the middle of the states.
They're going through the arteries of the states. So you're
going to have to go through areas where you're having
to speed up, slow down, be mindful of speed traps,
and more importantly, be mindful of the fact that you
(06:57):
might be in places that may not always be receptive
to you being there. Then we had interstates, and interstates
were great because invariably they're the only ones that has
the red white and blue designation, so you already know
which they are. They were great because they were the
only ones that had rest areas, most of them. Some
of your US highways may have some rest areas, but
almost all of your interstates had rest areas, and they
(07:18):
all had access to gas stations that were pretty much
open twenty four hours a day. So that was the
perfect thing. But you needed to know that so that
you knew how to travel accordingly. And as a member
of Black Generation X, it took on even a greater
meeting because let's just be clear, if you're driving a
back road. For those of you who have never heard
of the word sundown towns, it's sundown towns. Was a
(07:39):
phrase that and I'm not going to use the exact phrase,
but effectively the phrase went, black person, you better not
be in town when the sun goes down, because that
was a nice way of telling you if you are
harm has come in your way, whether it be incarceration, beaten,
and in some cases the worst case death. Well, guess what,
even though the Civil rights movement yielded all of this
(07:59):
great legislation and we've now desegregated society, those attitudes still
remain and if you're a member of Black Generation X,
you didn't always know what towns still harbored those sundown
town mentalities. And in most instances you may not even
know which towns were unless somebody specifically told you. So
you started learning, and I had to learn and be
told that when you move through the South and you're
(08:21):
heading into these small rural towns, be mindful of the
speed limit and be mindful of the fact to not
put yourself in a harm's way so that if something happens,
nobody can get to you and provide you with assistance
that you need. Now you got your maps, you got
your landmark, you know your roads. Now let's take it
on to your preparation and your survival. Keep in mind,
the first thing you need to know is how far
can your cargo. I can't even stress that enough. That
(08:43):
sounds corny, but the reality is is that if you're
maneuvering how far your car can go on a full
take of gas, it's going to make the determination of
where you need to stop in advance to get gas
along the way. And when you're looking at a map,
especially if you know you're going to be going through
these pots of backwater areas where there's a good chance
there may not be gas readily available. You could really
(09:06):
find yourself jacked up. When the check engine light comes
on or the gas almost empty light, it tells you
you god like forty miles left, and you're looking at
the signs that's telling you the nearest town is eighty
miles away. So you need to be mindful of that.
Because strategically planning along the route where you're going to
stop for gas became crucial. Food strategies what a must.
I'm going to tell you most of us didn't really
(09:27):
take food with us because we were just mindful of
where we would stop along the way. Keep in mind,
and let me tell you the story is worse it
that night, because if you're driveling twelve thirteen hours and
you're leaving at night, you really have to be strategic.
But let's say, for my example, I would leave during
the day. So if I'm leaving time of Arkansas at
six o'clock in the morning, I need to be mindful. Okay,
if I'm going to get something to eat for lunch,
(09:49):
where am I going to be at about four or
five six hours into this trip? Because if I'm in
a place like Mobile or maybe Jackson. Finding some place
to eat is easy, but if I'm on the back
roads and there's no schools or towels or anything in
the area, I may find myself hungry for a while.
So you needed to be mindful of where are those
(10:10):
places that you're going to stop to eat, Where are
those places you're gonna stop for gas, Where those places
you're gonna stop to use the bathroom. That sounds corny,
but again, remember this is not one of those things
where you can get on the phone and call somebody
or type in GPS to tell you where the nearest
restaurant is or the nearest place to get something to
eat is. You had to be mindful of where you
were at, knowing that if you hit a particular spot
(10:32):
and it was going to be a while where you're
just going have to ride out a quarterly and just
be hungry. You also had to maximize your fatigue, and
that also played in part to when you travel and
how you travel. I can tell you, as somebody who
made the travel back and forth, there were times I
would leave Tampa after work at five o'clock and then
drive all through the night to go home. You can
(10:52):
imagine how crazy I looked by the time I got there.
So I had to do techniques like you know, getting
caffeine or eating sunflower seeds and chips and so forth
chocolate to stay away. Those were little tactics that I did.
But when I had to come back, I often moved
a little differently. So for the example that I'm showing
to you now, I would leave Pine Bluff about six
o'clock in the morning. So this way I knew I
(11:14):
would be pulling in to Tampa roughly around nine nine thirty.
So by that time I would have spent the entire
day alert, as opposed to trying to drive through the
night right after work. These were these little strategies that
you paid close attention to so that you could break
it up along the way. So and because I would
leave the sixth I also was aware of where would
stop a gas where I need to stop to get
(11:35):
something to eat, and these would be the spots that
I would stop to take a break to kind of
catch my breath. The other final point with regards to
the preference survival is remember there was no phones, so
that meant when I left, the only time the person
would hear from me is either one because I had
stopped somewhere on the side of the road and I
needed it and I called a paypall, or when I
got to my final destination. So it was important that
(11:55):
when you got in the car and you told them
you're going back, you wouldn't making no side trips, you
wouldn't runn into the mall, you wouldn't go into a store.
You were going straight there. Because the person who were
you left, they're gonna be waiting for your call, and
they're going to be mindful that if they know it
takes you fourteen to fifteen hours, Like I would tell
my mom it's gonna take me fifteen hours because I
(12:16):
got to you know, across the time zone. Technically it's
going to be fourteen. So if I told her I'm
leaving here at six year time, I'll get to Tampa
about eight thirty your time, so you should be looking
around eight thirty anywhere between eight to nine for me
to call. She would be waiting, which we eight to
nine for me to call. So that's how we had
to move. You have to understand Generation X was built
(12:39):
for independence. For all the things that we went through,
this was our new normal. Remember, unlike what it was
like in the past, where there were survival tips and
things that you did in terms of maneuver because of
the fact that you had to deal with these stressors.
We were now moving in this new world order, so
we had to learn independence, and this independence just became
a natural way of our normal existence. If you were
(13:00):
a Black Generation X, it took on a grade of me.
Because we didn't know where the danger spots were. We
had an idea. We had family members who would share
with us about places, and more importantly, they would share
with us things that we needed to do when we
wound in those spaces. So for us it took on
a greater degree of significance because not only was it
about us being independent, it's about us survive as well.
(14:00):
From Ston
Let me read the quick hand and get started. Somebody
recently asked me how did Generation X travel back in
the day when they were in their late teens and
early twenties. I can't speak for everyone, but I can
tell you, as a member of Generation X, and as
a member of Black Generation X, back in the day
when we had no GPS, no satellite radio, and no
(00:26):
forms of communication, from that standpoint that for us, these
were challenging and interesting times in terms of how we traveled.
It was a great example of our independence and our
survival skills. And it's something that you can never truly
appreciate unless you've experienced it yourself. So let's get started first.
For purposes of me describing it, I want to make
sure I set it in context so that this way
(00:47):
you can have you can follow along accordingly. For me,
I grew up in Pinebleth, Arkansas, and I went to
school at a small school in Tampa called the University
of Tampa. I drove with my college buddy from tamp Pinebaluf,
Arkansas to Tampa, Florida, which is roughly about nine hundred
miles that it's about a fourteen hour drive. And I
will tell you this was my mechanism for traveling back
(01:08):
and forth. Now, interestingly enough, after my freshman year, I
would ride the bus back and forth. But when I
got my first car in nineteen ninety one, guess what
I did. That's right, I drove back to Tampa. And
while I was in graduate school at the University of
South Florida from ninety three to ninety five, that was
my mechanism. So for a good eight year time period,
driving back and forth from Pine Bluff to Tampa, Florida
(01:32):
was my norm. And I can tell you it was
a unique challenge, but it wasn't unique for me because
if you remember Generation X, making those types of long
power road trips was the norm. It was a great
example of our independence. But because I was driving through
areas that had a history behind them with regards to
certain hostilities against people of color, I had to be
(01:54):
mindful of how I moved as well. So I want
to share with you how this travel often took form.
Let's talk about how do we actually get there? Maps
and you're thinking, okay, for some of you, you may
be thinking about map quests. No go back older than that.
We're talking about physical maps, and there were three ways
you could get them Triple A, ram McNally or Atlas.
(02:14):
Let's talk about Triple A for those of you who
may have heard a Triple A Triple A officer roadside
service to assist you if your card breaks down. Some
people don't realize is that, and I don't know if
they still do. There was a point in time the
Triple A would actually provide you mapping service. So if
you needed to figure out how to get from point
A to point B, you could contact them Triple A
and they literally could provide you a map that laid
(02:36):
out all the directions and turns that you needed to
get to from point A to point B. I did
that was my buddy my first year, because my mom
had a Triple account. I think his parents did too.
But after that I didn't rely on it as much.
I then relied on the other two forms which were
common at the time. Ram McNally an Atlas. Now, for
those of you who don't know, Atlas was more of
a geographical based map, meaning it was for me, it
(03:00):
literally gave you a map of a region, so for
me it was the Southeast region. Or you could get
a statewide map like a Florida map. Is so fourth,
but for me, it was a regional map. So I
literally had a map that took me from Arkansas all
the way to Florida. Ran McNally, which is what you
could get in almost any convenience store or any gas
station would give you a map of the city. So
(03:22):
this was great and for me because I knew I
had to travel between a couple of locations Jackson, Mississippi,
Mobile Alabama, Tallhassee, Florida, I now had a map that
gave me the ability to navigate in those areas, specifically
in terms of side streets, backstreets, whatever the case may be.
And this way, I wouldn't go ahead of time if
I needed to go a particular place where I could
(03:44):
go because I had a map I could rely upon.
Trust me, if you talk to anyone whose generation X
and they did any tide for driveway, if you were
to look in their glove compartment back in the day,
you were going to find at least two or three
maps folded up hug in the back. Because that's how
we maneuver. Remember, no GPS at the time, we didn't
have any of those nice bells and whistles that we're
going to guide us there. We had to become experts
(04:05):
at land navigation and this is how we did it.
So now that you've got your maps, you also have
to keep in mind that maps is only one part
of it. You also had to be mindful that if
you were going to a location that required you to maneuver,
and let's just be clear for us, back in the day,
there was very very few straight shots to go from
point A to point B. You needed to be mindful
(04:26):
of where you needed to turn if you needed to.
So land now became a part of our DNA, and
part of that land navigation was landmarks. We started determining
where is something in proximity to where we're going to
eventually have to turn, So whether it be a school,
or a restaurant, or just maybe some random tree or
some random body of water, these things became crucial because
(04:48):
in order for us to know where we were going
to need to turn next, we needed to have a
reference point. And this is how we got it. Now
that you've got that, you keep in mind maps landmarks
great still need a little bit more roads are you
traveling on? Remember in most instances when we had people
talking to us, they would tell us number based roads,
so they would say road thirteen or fourteen, whatever the
(05:09):
case may be. But you have to remember what type
of road it was a county road, state road, US highway,
or interstate. Now, for those of you who are like,
why does that matter, it matters a whole lot because
what matters based on what road you're traveling on, you
are going to learn quickly what types of issues you
need to be mindful of. If you were on a
county road, those roads were probably doominantly two lanes. They
(05:32):
almost always went through places where there was almost hardly
any people there. There was almost nothing readily proximity to
the area. And here's the thing you need to be
mindful of. If you're on a county road and break down,
there's a good chance you're gonna be out there by yourself.
And so that was important. State roads and most in
county roads. A lot of times we knew the designation
because the number would be encopisilated in a circle. So
(05:53):
if it was county road thirteen, it'd be a circle
with thirteen, and you knew that was a county road.
State roads, you usually was the outline of the state
and the number inside it as well. Again, state roads
were kind of hit or miss, like some state roads
would be two lanes, some roads four lanes. It just
depended same thing, some of the same issues that you
(06:15):
have with like Conley County roads. You're probably gonna find
yourself going through a lot of back road areas and
so forth, going to have greater connections to more established towns,
but in this particular instance, you're still dealing with back roads.
Once you hit US highways, gets a little bit better.
Most of you US highways, or at least hopefully will
be four lanes. But don't be surprised if you run
(06:36):
into US highways that are two lanes. And I cannot
stress it enough. US highways, county highways, and state highways
almost invariably are going through the middle of the states.
They're going through the arteries of the states. So you're
going to have to go through areas where you're having
to speed up, slow down, be mindful of speed traps,
and more importantly, be mindful of the fact that you
(06:57):
might be in places that may not always be receptive
to you being there. Then we had interstates, and interstates
were great because invariably they're the only ones that has
the red white and blue designation, so you already know
which they are. They were great because they were the
only ones that had rest areas, most of them. Some
of your US highways may have some rest areas, but
almost all of your interstates had rest areas, and they
(07:18):
all had access to gas stations that were pretty much
open twenty four hours a day. So that was the
perfect thing. But you needed to know that so that
you knew how to travel accordingly. And as a member
of Black Generation X, it took on even a greater
meeting because let's just be clear, if you're driving a
back road. For those of you who have never heard
of the word sundown towns, it's sundown towns. Was a
(07:39):
phrase that and I'm not going to use the exact phrase,
but effectively the phrase went, black person, you better not
be in town when the sun goes down, because that
was a nice way of telling you if you are
harm has come in your way, whether it be incarceration, beaten,
and in some cases the worst case death. Well, guess what,
even though the Civil rights movement yielded all of this
(07:59):
great legislation and we've now desegregated society, those attitudes still
remain and if you're a member of Black Generation X,
you didn't always know what towns still harbored those sundown
town mentalities. And in most instances you may not even
know which towns were unless somebody specifically told you. So
you started learning, and I had to learn and be
told that when you move through the South and you're
(08:21):
heading into these small rural towns, be mindful of the
speed limit and be mindful of the fact to not
put yourself in a harm's way so that if something happens,
nobody can get to you and provide you with assistance
that you need. Now you got your maps, you got
your landmark, you know your roads. Now let's take it
on to your preparation and your survival. Keep in mind,
the first thing you need to know is how far
can your cargo. I can't even stress that enough. That
(08:43):
sounds corny, but the reality is is that if you're
maneuvering how far your car can go on a full
take of gas, it's going to make the determination of
where you need to stop in advance to get gas
along the way. And when you're looking at a map,
especially if you know you're going to be going through
these pots of backwater areas where there's a good chance
there may not be gas readily available. You could really
(09:06):
find yourself jacked up. When the check engine light comes
on or the gas almost empty light, it tells you
you god like forty miles left, and you're looking at
the signs that's telling you the nearest town is eighty
miles away. So you need to be mindful of that.
Because strategically planning along the route where you're going to
stop for gas became crucial. Food strategies what a must.
I'm going to tell you most of us didn't really
(09:27):
take food with us because we were just mindful of
where we would stop along the way. Keep in mind,
and let me tell you the story is worse it
that night, because if you're driveling twelve thirteen hours and
you're leaving at night, you really have to be strategic.
But let's say, for my example, I would leave during
the day. So if I'm leaving time of Arkansas at
six o'clock in the morning, I need to be mindful. Okay,
if I'm going to get something to eat for lunch,
(09:49):
where am I going to be at about four or
five six hours into this trip? Because if I'm in
a place like Mobile or maybe Jackson. Finding some place
to eat is easy, but if I'm on the back
roads and there's no schools or towels or anything in
the area, I may find myself hungry for a while.
So you needed to be mindful of where are those
(10:10):
places that you're going to stop to eat, Where are
those places you're gonna stop for gas, Where those places
you're gonna stop to use the bathroom. That sounds corny,
but again, remember this is not one of those things
where you can get on the phone and call somebody
or type in GPS to tell you where the nearest
restaurant is or the nearest place to get something to
eat is. You had to be mindful of where you
were at, knowing that if you hit a particular spot
(10:32):
and it was going to be a while where you're
just going have to ride out a quarterly and just
be hungry. You also had to maximize your fatigue, and
that also played in part to when you travel and
how you travel. I can tell you, as somebody who
made the travel back and forth, there were times I
would leave Tampa after work at five o'clock and then
drive all through the night to go home. You can
(10:52):
imagine how crazy I looked by the time I got there.
So I had to do techniques like you know, getting
caffeine or eating sunflower seeds and chips and so forth
chocolate to stay away. Those were little tactics that I did.
But when I had to come back, I often moved
a little differently. So for the example that I'm showing
to you now, I would leave Pine Bluff about six
o'clock in the morning. So this way I knew I
(11:14):
would be pulling in to Tampa roughly around nine nine thirty.
So by that time I would have spent the entire
day alert, as opposed to trying to drive through the
night right after work. These were these little strategies that
you paid close attention to so that you could break
it up along the way. So and because I would
leave the sixth I also was aware of where would
stop a gas where I need to stop to get
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something to eat, and these would be the spots that
I would stop to take a break to kind of
catch my breath. The other final point with regards to
the preference survival is remember there was no phones, so
that meant when I left, the only time the person
would hear from me is either one because I had
stopped somewhere on the side of the road and I
needed it and I called a paypall, or when I
got to my final destination. So it was important that
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when you got in the car and you told them
you're going back, you wouldn't making no side trips, you
wouldn't runn into the mall, you wouldn't go into a store.
You were going straight there. Because the person who were
you left, they're gonna be waiting for your call, and
they're going to be mindful that if they know it
takes you fourteen to fifteen hours, Like I would tell
my mom it's gonna take me fifteen hours because I
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got to you know, across the time zone. Technically it's
going to be fourteen. So if I told her I'm
leaving here at six year time, I'll get to Tampa
about eight thirty your time, so you should be looking
around eight thirty anywhere between eight to nine for me
to call. She would be waiting, which we eight to
nine for me to call. So that's how we had
to move. You have to understand Generation X was built
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for independence. For all the things that we went through,
this was our new normal. Remember, unlike what it was
like in the past, where there were survival tips and
things that you did in terms of maneuver because of
the fact that you had to deal with these stressors.
We were now moving in this new world order, so
we had to learn independence, and this independence just became
a natural way of our normal existence. If you were
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a Black Generation X, it took on a grade of me.
Because we didn't know where the danger spots were. We
had an idea. We had family members who would share
with us about places, and more importantly, they would share
with us things that we needed to do when we
wound in those spaces. So for us it took on
a greater degree of significance because not only was it
about us being independent, it's about us survive as well.
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