October 8, 2025 • 45 mins
Ray Comfort just did a Turning Point USA event on the campus of Cal State Fullerton. He will join us to discuss what kind of questions were asked and how to engage with people who want to use their intellect but why Ray appeals to the conscience instead. Don’t miss this fascinating conversation.
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Here are some of the news headlines we're watching.
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The conference was over. The president won a pledge.
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Americans worshiping government over God.
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Extremely rare safety move by a 17 years.
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The Palestinians and Israelis negotiated a truce.
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You know, there was a builder. Even if the builder
died 50 years ago, you know, don't just believe, you know,
there was a builder because buildings cannot build themselves. Creation
is evidence of a creator. You look around, you see
the genius of God's creative hand everywhere you look. And
the Bible says this. The invisible things of him from
the creation of the world are clearly seen being understood
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by the things that are made. So, you know, God
exists because, you know, things have been made.
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Welcomed in the market with Janet Parshall. And that is
the one and only Ray comfort who proclaims the gospel
without blush, embarrassment or hesitation. By appealing is his words,
not to the intellect where conflict resides, but rather to
the conscience. And God opened the door for him to
do just that. At Cal State Fullerton recently through a
Turning Point USA event, and I can't wait to find
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out to get a first person account of what happened. Ray,
of course, is the founder and CEO of Living Waters.
He's the best selling author of more than 100 books.
He's the co-host of the award winning TV program that
airs on 190 countries. And that is, of course, the
way of the master. He's the producer of several award
winning films. They have a fabulous YouTube channel where literally
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millions of people come and visit every single day. Their
resources are superb, they have a streaming platform, and when
I'm done telling you everything about Living Waters and Ray comfort,
we'll have two minutes left to talk. So I'll leave
it there for the moment and say, Ray, I cannot
tell you what a thrill it was to sit and
watch that entire event. I was praying like crazy the
entire time you were speaking, and I thought, this is
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a New Testament moment. You have been so familiar with
the whole idea of open air preaching. That's just who
you are. It just pours out of you. But you're
in a class of your own. You're unique that way
in that. Now we're kind of the frozen chosen here
in the United States, and we don't do that so much.
And we have lots of conversations about love and grace,
but we don't want to do exactly what you do
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so powerfully, and that is appeal to the conscience that
it's oh so politically incorrect, even broach the subject of sin,
and you do it in the most loving way. I
want to hear just first of all, some impressions, some
fingerprints on your heart the day that you went there
to be a part of this conversation, what did you think?
How do you prepare?
S5 (05:00):
Yeah. Um, you prepare by putting on a bulletproof vest.
S1 (05:04):
Yes, that's exactly right. But tell our friends, because you
didn't keep it on.
S5 (05:09):
No, I want to stop. Said you need to wear
a bulletproof vest. I said no, no, they're too restrictive, blah, blah,
and I, I looked at a video and it looked
really good. It didn't look cumbersome. So we ordered it $1,100.
And I thought, well, this is my wife, my wife,
my life worth that. So he got it and I
wore it for an hour around the house. And it
was cumbersome. It was falsified advertising. It was heavy. And
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when I looked in the mirror, I looked like I
was £200 overweight. And I thought, if I get killed,
I don't want people to have that impression on me.
The last impression I plumped little anyway. So. Because I
had to wear a t shirt over it, t shirt
under it and shirt over it. And on top of that,
and anyway, I thought, I don't want to wear this.
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So I said to Sue, that's my wife. I said,
I'm 75 years old. If someone takes me out, they're
not going to take me out in my youth, and
I'm not going to leave two little kids without fathers.
Do you mind if I don't wear it? And she said,
no problem at all. Didn't mention life insurance or anything
like that was just great. And so I didn't. I
didn't wear it. And uh, and things there was a
huge crowd there. We just couldn't believe how many were there.
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And it was a wonderful opportunity. I do have one regret, regrets.
I have a few, but then again, too few to mention. Um,
one of them was, one of them was, uh, the
fact that when we preached open air in universities in
the past, we've had what's called a gatekeeper. And this
is because we've had an open mic for many years
in Huntington Beach. And we know if a Christian gets
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on that open mic, it's the end of the whole thing.
It's just all over because the crowd leaves. If they
want to give a testimony how their leg was healed,
they've got a theological question that's boring to the unsaved
and they just leave. So I forgot to tell them
to have a strong gatekeeper that just said, oh, this
is for non-Christians, not Christians. Thank you. And so I
had an unenviable task of asking Christians to get off
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the box, and there's no way to do it without
sounding rude. So next time we do that, we'll make
sure we've got a good gatekeeper that says, look, this
is for atheists and skeptics to ask questions about the
things of God, not for pastoral counselling, which is boring
to the unsaved. So that's our only regret. But it
was just a wonderful opportunity. And then when Fox, uh,
got hold of us and said, would I come on? Um,
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I thought, this is a wonderful opportunity. And, uh, did
you know that story?
S1 (07:27):
Yes. I watched it multiple times. All four minutes and
36 seconds of it, where there wasn't a second, a
nanosecond that wasn't dedicated to preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ.
I've got some clips I'm going to play during the
course of this conversation as well, but tell our friends
how this happened. By the way, can I go back
to your regret for a minute? Because your video. I mean,
you're so excellent with the creative arts. You really know
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how to capture people. You're fishing for men all the time.
And so, of course, that I have one regret populated
in my living waters feed last night. And I just
watched it and I thought, well, I'm going to talk
to Ray tomorrow. I can't imagine this man has anything
to regret about what happened at Cal State Fullerton. And
then you made this comment about the gatekeeper and this
unenviable task of when someone came up. The first question
you asked was, are you a Christian and what you
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wanted to do? And you weren't being mean by the
way you did this because you were there for the
purpose of preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ. And so
you wanted to engage and interact with those who didn't
yet know him the seeker, the skeptic, the cynic, the
role of the Christian in that environment. As I saw it,
watching the entire three plus hour event, was that their
job was to be praying for those who came to
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the microphone and didn't yet know the Lord as their Savior,
while at the same time being tutored by a master. You, Mr. Comfort,
on exactly how to be able to go back to
the conscience and not the intellect. And of course, college
campuses are about nothing but the intellect. So I thought
to myself, my heart goes out to you. That's your
tender heart that you wanted to do that. And it
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was a logistics issue. And I understand that there were
some who might have thought, well, you weren't being kind
to the Christians. It wasn't an apologetics class. It wasn't
a discipleship class. It wasn't a Christian 400 level class.
It was for people on a secular university to find
out who is this Jesus? And you were doing it
because in the window of time that you had, you
wanted to make sure that message was the message that
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was preached. So can I just tell you, as an
observer in the peanut gallery, you handled it with a
sophistication and tenderness. I was extremely impressed.
S5 (09:22):
Could you write that out? And I'll keep reading it
back to myself. I needed that because I seriously, I
have I have seen hundreds of comments. The Christians saying,
you're mean, you're horrible, you should talk to Christians and
stuff like that. And they just didn't understand what we're
trying to do. So it's good for my soul to
hear you say that. Thank you. Jenna.
S1 (09:43):
You're so welcome. And it really, truly. That's why I
wanted to see it live. I thought, I can't be
at Cal State, but I can be a prayer warrior.
And I wanted to intercede. And that the Lord would
put the words in your mouth and everyone else from
your team that was going to get up and speak,
and that's what I did. That was a privilege when
we come back. So here's a national news network that
picks up on what happened. And they picked up on
Ray comfort. So I want you to hear from him
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When the the prostitute was brought up and Jesus said,
sin no more. Do you think that she never again
committed a sin?
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Don't think so.
S6 (11:04):
Okay, so then what was the meaning of that passage?
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See, a Christian is someone who perpetually. Do you know
what that means?
S6 (11:11):
Yeah.
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Perpetually turns from sin. If you get up in the
morning and say, today I sin, that's called sinning after
the flesh. And you need to check yourself and see
if you're playing the hypocrite again.
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That was a part of a Turning Point USA event
where Ray comfort and many members of his team came
and engaged with students at Cal State Fullerton. Just a
I don't know about you, but my heart is just pounding.
Something is happening. I'm so excited to see this open
air preaching, this direct appeal, going where young minds are,
particularly where they're anxious to know questions. You know, college
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is so about building your worldview. And in theory, you're
supposed to be sifting and weighing until you concretize your
own worldview. And in the midst of all of that,
while you're getting all of this knowledge, what you're really
hungry for is wisdom. And that comes from the Lord.
So it's a very ripe, fertile field for someone to
show up. And Ray comfort, thank you, Lord was given
the opportunity to be able to do just that. But
after this event, we're going to talk more about it
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in a minute. I don't have a clue how this happened.
Just somewhere they've got to be Christians all over that network, Ray,
because of the stuff that they do and the guests
that they book and they found you. Now, Trace Gallagher
is part of Fox, but he's stationed in California. So
tell me how you got the call that they wanted
to talk to you?
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Well, just before I say that, I got to say
that my team here were responsible even though I didn't
wear a bulletproof vest. And also, there were things on
the internet like comments on a YouTube channel giving advice
to me like one was any death threats. Yet another
one was take a page out of Trump's book and
move your head around a lot. Oh wow. And another
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one was make sure there's an ambulance there. Another one says,
try and stop the bleeding within five minutes or you're dead.
Very encouraging stuff like that. Well, we did have security.
We did have security guards following me around. We had
armed police in plainclothes in the crowd. We had a
guy on a roof, uh, security on the roof, and
we had a drone watching what was going on. So
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they were very responsible and did take care of. Anyway, Fox, uh,
contacted me, and they were going to they were going
to get me on beforehand, and then they said no afterwards.
Would you would you do it? And I said, love
to went to Santa Monica. And all the day that
they they got me to send them video of what
I'd like shown and they said, give us some questions
that we'd like, you know, you'd like to ask or
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be asked. And so I formulated questions that were very
good and gave them great video. And when I got there,
a surprise, the producer assistant producer says, I guess you
could have knocked me over. She says, I love your ministry.
Can we do a selfie? And I was just so
encouraged that it was just I thought, what? This is crazy.
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And anyway, two minutes before we went live, she said
they didn't use your footage and they didn't use your questions.
And I thought, great, here I am going to go
on live television nationwide. This is an incredible opportunity to
make a fool of myself in front of my family,
from my friends, in front of millions of people, because
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I had nothing to say. They took away my bullet points.
I'd been practicing all day what I was going to say,
and it was just smooth and clear and wonderful. Anyway,
the floor manager came over about a minute before and says,
come this way. And I got my bullet points which
were on my phone, dropped them on my lap of
my driver and cameraman Gayle, and just went out. This
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is a sink or swim and I could not believe
what Fox did. They played a video of me showing
how you could prove God's existence. Like, look at the building.
It was a builder, obviously. Look at creation. There was
a creator. And then quoting scripture. And then trace comes back,
talks to me for a minute, and then he says,
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now let's look at another clip about sin. I thought
about what about this is Fox News that's supposed to
suppress the truth in unrighteousness. What is going on? So
we talked about sin. And then the next thing he says,
now we'll look at a clip about hell. And I thought,
you're kidding. The only time they talk about hell on
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Fox is when the president is speaking. He talks about
it a lot. He uses the word without speaking it
in truth. And so I was absolutely delighted, flabbergasted. And
I so thank God that he helped me, because I've
often talked about this with the guys at the ministry
when they asked me ask me questions about ministry. You know,
when God's helping you. Because, you know, when God's not
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helping you, you know what it feels like to flounder
when you get into a pulpit. And and I just says, Lord,
you've got to help me. So I actually typed a
little prayer onto my phone and it was just said
something like this Dear father, I know nothing I can
do nothing. You've just got to help me with this, please,
in Jesus name. And that's when I sink or swim.
And when I came off after the 3 or 4 minutes,
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I could have done cartwheels down the stairs. That's a
slight exaggeration, but I was just over the moon. That God. Well,
that's another exaggeration over the moon. That what God had
allowed me to do to preach the whole gospel on
secular television. It was just amazing.
S1 (16:13):
Yes. And in less than five minutes. So the existence
of God, the reality of sin and the the, the
destination of hell, I mean, all of that. But the
best part is when it was done, Trey said, Ray,
you give us more video, we want you back on again.
Now it's atypical. Typical. It's atypical for a for a
host to do that because there's a few witnesses to
what was just said. So for him to say it.
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The other thing too, is my mama used to say,
there is no art to tell the mind's construction by
the face. She loved to quote that poet's line, but
I'm telling you, I don't know where he's coming from spiritually,
because first Samuel says, I don't have those kind of eyes.
God looks on the outward, man looks on the outward appearance,
but God looks on the heart. But Tracy didn't take
his eyes off of you. His eyes widened as you spoke,
and even the selection of the clips that they did play.
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You know you don't. God's hand is in there somewhere.
Who was the person who was the production assistant? Who
was the person in master control that said, these are
the clips that we're going to make. And then after
the fact to learn that somehow what you had thought
they were going to talk about were the questions that
you had submitted. That didn't happen. You were a living
example again. And let me point out what I saw.
The scripture just came pouring out when you were talking,
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number one, out of the overflow of the heart, the
mouth speaks. He didn't need any bullet points. God had
written all of this on the tablet of your heart,
and you've talked about it for decades. It flowed out
of you because it's what you believe. It's in your
spiritual DNA. The second thing, too, is your prayer was
exactly Jeremiah's prayer of old. Your words in my mouth.
Oh God, your words in my mouth. I don't think
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that could have gone better the way it was done.
And I know that you and I both agree. All
of that honor and glory and praise goes to the Lord.
But the gospel was preached. And just like Brother Paul
in the New Testament, whether it's a Coliseum or on
the deck of a sinking ship, when you had the opportunity,
do not hesitate to declare God's message of truth and
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love and judgment and heaven and hell. More on that
when we get back.
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Does it concern you that you go to hell today
if you died?
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It does concern me.
S5 (18:33):
Okay, now, what did God do for guilty sinners like
you and me so we wouldn't have to go to hell?
S7 (18:38):
Yes. He died on the cross for our sins.
S5 (18:41):
Now, even the devil knows that. Most of America knows that.
But you have got to appropriate what he did. We
broke the law. Jesus paid the fine.
S1 (18:49):
Mm. That's my friend Ray comfort. Being bold for the
gospel at Cal State Fullerton. One of the participants at
a Turning Point USA event. I want to just kind
of get your impressions generally about whether or not something's happening.
And then I want to get into the particulars of
why it is you so rightfully, and I am now
such a strong convert to this. You don't appeal to
the intellect, you appeal to the conscience. That's a point
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you made on Fox when you were talking to Trace Gallagher.
I want to go back to that in a minute,
but just give me the atmospherics. First of all, you
were surprised, too, at the crowd. We know you've walked
with the Lord a long time. To what do you
attribute this? I this? I know that we now are
a country that witness a man get murdered on national television,
and that obviously raises curiosity, interest and concern all at once.
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But why do you think so many people turned out
on a secular college campus to see what was going
to happen at this event?
S5 (19:38):
I'm not sure. Except Jack Hibbs did it did it did, uh,
sent out a whatever. It's an ex. Um, the Cal
State Fullerton did a quick, uh, poster just after I said,
let's do this. So they made up a poster real quick,
and it had a profile of me to the left,
profile to the right, and a front on profile. And
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I thought, that's great for someone to shoot me. They
know exactly what. It was absolutely perfect. I thought, that's
really good. So anyway, we made another poster for them
using our graphic artists. And, um, but Jack Hibbs, when
I just says, uh, you're good with security, what's his security?
Should we get. He didn't even answer me. He just
tweeted out, Ray Comfort's going to be at this. And
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he's got a big following and that's local. That's Chino
Hills is close to Fullerton reasonably. And so that was
another reason so many turned out. But there were a
lot of non-Christians there because when a transsexual or whatever
she was got up and started going about something, the
crowd cheered for her and I thought, boy, that's good.
That tells us where the fish are, because you really
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don't want to be surrounded by Christians, is the saying
we have preaching to the converted, which is a way
of saying futility, and we really don't want to be
doing that. And that was one of my fears that
we'd be preaching to the converted. But we weren't, which
was wonderful. Yeah. And I.
S1 (20:56):
Think.
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As I said on Fox, coronavirus, the coronavirus did a
great service for the church because it made a whole
generation face their mortality and previous generations. Death is for
the elderly, but they've seen that death is also for
young people. There's a lot of young people dying and
it scares them and makes them open their heart. And
often when I go to the local college, that's the
first thing I say to people you're afraid of dying.
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And I say yes. And I said, do you know
the Bible? The dresses that says why we die. How
you can find everlasting life. Are you interested? And they
more than often are. And so it's it's wonderful that
we've got a field out there that's ripe to harvest,
as Jesus said. We've just got to take that sickle
and learn how to cut into the harvest field.
S1 (21:37):
Mhm. Well, speaking of that field, you know, my heart
was touched. You're the father of three grown children. Um,
and you saw.
S5 (21:45):
These groaning, groaning children.
S1 (21:46):
Groaning. Yes. Or the parent groans when dad, can you
lend me a few bucks I get I know how
that goes. But as these young people came up, my
heart broke because I thought this girl studying biology and
this one is going to be a, you know, poli
sci major, and this one's doing econ, and they come
up with these questions. And yet there was a there
was a brokenness to so many of these kids who
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came up, muslims who came up, a woman who identified
herself as bisexual. They wanted to get entangled in the
issue of homosexuality. Um, and yet they just that idea
of going back again to that hole in their heart.
You did a superb job. And I think this is just,
first of all, the Lord's grace, mercy and his instruction
in your life. But it's instructive to me to watch
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you do it is that you didn't get entangled in
the first question, which could have been political in nature.
You moved that aside, and you gently got right to
the core question again about, you know, whether or not
you're a sinner. Do you know where you'd go tonight
when you die? Uh, this is a ridiculous question, because
I'm sure it's just like asking somebody, how do you
dance for the Joffrey Ballet? You just. You know how
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to dance. You know how to dance this. But how
do you get the wisdom? Teach us to say I
don't want. That's not the question that I should be
answering right now. You have such wisdom in saying move
it to the right question off of the wrong question.
S5 (23:01):
Yeah, it's difficult to do for the human ego because
you don't want to seem like a one something, one
dance pony. What's the saying? A one trick pony? You've
got me dancing with your belly business. You wreck my analogy.
A dancing pony. One trick pony. Because. But I want
to preach Christ and Him crucified. That's what Paul said.
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I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus
Christ and Him crucified. The gospel is the power of
God to salvation. So we've got to get to the
gospel because Jesus said, go into all the world and
preach the gospel to every creature. And what we've got
to do is understand that apologetics, argumentative defenses for Christianity
are like bait. When you go fishing, you do not
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just go with bait because you're going to end up
with fat, happy fish that get away. You've got to
disguise the hook. So I will use evolution for a
couple of moments just to make my hearer. And then
I want to bring the hook in. And you do
that by simply saying, do you think you're a good person?
What's going to happen to you when you die? You're
going to heaven. And when they say, I'm a good person,
that's when you bring in the light of the law
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to show them themselves in their true light. Often I've
said the law is like a mirror. When we get
up in the morning, we go to the mirror to
see what damage has been done during the night. And
when you see a pale face, puffy eyes, outstanding hairstyle,
you go from the mirror to the water to wash.
And God's law is like a mirror. It reflects that
we're all as an unclean thing, and all our righteous
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deeds are as filthy rags. And we go from the
mirror of the law to the water of the blood
of Christ, to wash the law is a schoolmaster to
bring us to Christ. So what we need to do
is imitate Jesus. Don't get caught up in the intellect
because that's the place of argument. Carnal mind is enmity
against God. Bible says we're enemies of God and our
minds through wicked works. When you move to the conscience
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by saying, are you a good person and going through
the commandments, you stir up the judge on the courtroom
of the mind, that conscience that God's given to every
man and it accuses shows us we're in trouble and
we need a savior.
S3 (24:58):
Wow.
S1 (25:00):
Brilliant. It's so important. Now, when we come back, I
want to share some longer audio with you. So you
what Ray just said. I want you to hear this.
This would be a tutorial, a practicum, if you will.
Exactly how Ray does this. Something's happening in our country.
You don't want to sit this out, do you? You
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resides within you, and to be able to appeal to
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S8 (26:01):
I'm really enjoying reading this book. You know, people give
me books all the time. Somebody gave me this book
at a Change My Mind event at Cal State Fullerton.
I looked at it and it said over 350,000 copies
in print. I said, wow. I looked it up. It's
an author by the name of Ray comfort. I'd never
heard of him. I'm sure some of you are going
to ridicule me for that. And it's terrific. And it
talks about the proper way to present the gospel. So
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I'm just going to tease you about that and we'll
really dive into it on Friday. I'm so glad whoever
gave it to me, I don't know your name. Thank you.
We'll be right back.
S1 (26:31):
Isn't that cool? That's. Charlie Kirk gets a copy of
Ray's book, and I'm telling you, who knows how that
was used in helping Charlie proclaim the gospel without blush,
embarrassment or hesitation? Appealing to the conscience, not the intellect. Now,
we've been saying that a lot. I think it really
helps if, by the way, you sign up to the
YouTube channel that Ray has so that you can watch
these every night, it's just a joy for me when
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I'm going to finally kick back, give myself an hour
of just relaxation time, and it's just populated with Living
Waters videos. And I just love hearing what Ray has
to say about the events of the day and how
he starts with the issue of the day and moves
it to salvation stories. And it's just absolutely fabulous. And
you and I are the beneficiaries of that kind of teaching.
So here is an example, an auditory example. You can't
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see anything, but you listen. So we're going to paint
on the canvas of your mind. This is a young
man came up very respectful. Sweet fella came up and
he wanted to ask great questions when he was at
Cal State Fullerton. And it went like this. Have a listen.
S5 (27:26):
So you said you're you're agnostic.
S7 (27:29):
I am agnostic, yes.
S5 (27:30):
I believe in.
S7 (27:30):
God, I do.
S5 (27:31):
I said, is he angry at you? And what did
you say?
S7 (27:34):
I know I am imperfect.
S5 (27:35):
What do you mean imperfect? Can you be can you
give me some specifics? What are you doing? That this
pleases God?
S7 (27:41):
Uh, I don't go to church too regularly.
S5 (27:44):
If that displeases God. Like sin.
S7 (27:46):
Yeah, well, that too, I mean.
S5 (27:48):
Have you been born again?
S7 (27:50):
No, I haven't actually.
S5 (27:51):
We want you to be born again. We want you
to enter God's kingdom. Jesus said this. Except a man
is born again. He cannot see the kingdom of God.
S7 (27:58):
Yes.
S5 (27:59):
So you need to be born again.
S7 (28:00):
I understand.
S5 (28:01):
And the thing that will stop you coming to Christ
is your love of sin. The Bible says we hate
God without cause. We're enemies of God and our minds
are wicked. Works actually says in the book of Romans,
our mind is in a state of hostility towards God.
Are you hostile towards God?
S7 (28:20):
I'm not very hostile. I'm. I'm pretty small. I'm not
too intimidating. No, no.
S5 (28:24):
I mean, with your mouth or your thoughts. Are you
hostile towards God? No you're not. Have you ever used
God's name in vain?
S7 (28:32):
Not in recent time.
S5 (28:34):
So you have.
S7 (28:35):
Yes.
S5 (28:36):
Why didn't you just say yes?
S7 (28:38):
I like attention.
S5 (28:39):
Recent times. Do you love your mum?
S7 (28:42):
Yeah.
S5 (28:42):
Would you ever use her name as a cuss word?
A substitute for human excrement? Would you use your mother's
name in that context? Please say.
S7 (28:51):
No. No.
S5 (28:51):
Good. Because you respect her. Yeah, but you don't respect
the God that gave your mother. You've taken his holy
name and used it in place of a cuss word.
With what greater hostility can you have towards anyone than
to use their name as a cuss word? So you're
at enmity with God in your mind through wicked works.
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That's what the Bible says. And every time you sin,
you're storing up God's wrath. It's going to be revealed
on the day of judgment. So let's go through those commandments,
as we did with our friend before, and see how
you're doing.
S7 (29:22):
Yes.
S5 (29:23):
Are you a good person?
S7 (29:25):
I like to think so as well.
S5 (29:26):
Okay. This is kind of a little bit a little
embarrassing for you, Alex. When did you last look at pornography?
S7 (29:33):
I, I don't remember. I got a girlfriend. I don't,
I don't remember.
S5 (29:37):
Are you fornicating with your girlfriend?
S7 (29:39):
I said, guys. Oh my gosh.
S5 (29:43):
So you don't need porn? Because now. Because you're fornicating
with your girlfriend. And the Bible says fornicators will not
inherit the kingdom of God.
S7 (29:50):
I told you it's going to be embarrassing.
S5 (29:52):
But think of what's going to happen on the Day
of Judgment if you're embarrassed in front of human beings.
How much more will you be ashamed on the day
of Judgment? And I don't want that to happen to you.
If you lied and stolen.
S7 (30:03):
Uh oh.
S5 (30:05):
Uh.
S7 (30:05):
I took a I took a gumball from the candy
store once when I was nine. Yeah, I know, I know, yeah.
It's disappointing. Look.
S5 (30:12):
Alex, let me tell you something.
S7 (30:13):
Yes, sir.
S5 (30:14):
It's human nature to trivialize sin. I stole something when
I was a little kid from a little store. It
was a little piece of candy. That's what we like.
I just. Oh, yes, and I lied. I told little
white lies. Just when it comes to lust, I expect
guys to say, yeah, I have lust. But just after
little women, nothing big. We trivialize sin. But, Alex, you
opened my wallet and take $1 out. You're as much
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a thief as you took. If you took $10 out,
the value of that which you steal is irrelevant to God.
So you've told me you're a liar. Have you stolen?
You have stolen.
S7 (30:44):
I did.
S5 (30:45):
And blasphemed. And you're fornicator and an adulterer at heart.
So if God judges you by those ten commandments on
Judgment Day, you're going to be innocent or guilty.
S1 (30:54):
Mm. And we'll get the answer to that question in
the next segment. So let me stop it there, Ray.
So many things go through my mind in this exchange.
First of all, it's and I'll use a good Yiddish term.
It takes a lot of chutzpah for these students to
get up to the microphone because they're publicly confessing their sin,
the lying, fornicating, etc., taking the Lord's name in vain.
And yet, what I did not hear for a single
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student was using foul language in return, telling you to
take a long walk off a short plank. I mean,
there were all kinds of things they could have said
in response, but I think the answer to the question
is to the question, why don't they respond in a
hostile way is because of you. I think it's the
way in which that you point out the conscience without
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doing it in such a way that it's, you know, um,
sackcloth and ashes and an accusatory finger pointed in their nose.
I think it's because you operate under the knowledge that
it's the Holy Spirit that does the conviction. You're just
having them stand in front of the mirror. Talk to
me about that.
S5 (31:53):
It's my accent.
S1 (31:56):
Of course. How foolish of me. Yes, sir.
S5 (31:59):
I haven't heard that. I forgot that that went on.
And I heard the guy say. I did not sign
up for this. Did you hear that? Did you? You
got to empathize with them. Most people, you know, they
confess their sins to their mother or something like that.
But to openly with cameras rolling all over the place
and public have all that exposed. But he became very,
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as you will hear, because the conscience does its duty,
it does its work. So you and I have got
an ally right in the heart of the enemy. You know,
when you watch those old war movies, uh, the allies
have to contact someone behind enemy lines, and they've got
a password. You know, the the green horse jumps over
the yellow fence at midnight or something like that, and
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they say, yes, that's. And they finish it off. Well,
we've got an ally right in the heart of the enemy.
And the way to stir up the ally to make
contact with it is just open up those commandments, because
the work of the law is written in their heart,
the conscience bearing witness. So I didn't I wasn't talking
about evolution or the existence of God. I was just
speaking directly to that God given conscience. And that conscience
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is conscience is on my side. And you can do
the same thing with Uncle Arthur when you're sitting at
the table at Christmas. He's he's anti-God. He's just saying,
do you think there's an afterlife? Let him talk and say,
do you think you're a good person? Well, let's go
through those ten commandments and see how you do, and
the conscience will do its duty. And people cannot argue
in the face of conscience because it's, uh, it's so powerful.
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It drives men to drink and women drives people to suicide.
That feeling of guilt. And it can be appeased the
moment we give our lives to Christ.
S1 (33:34):
But let me underscore again, and why I think I
have been blessed with the time I've spent watching you
do this, because you are such a wonderful teacher, and
I hope I'm an apt pupil, but you never it,
even though it is appealing to the conscience what you
don't do and why, I think there's such a gentle
response for the student after student after student who came
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to the microphone is because it's not. And I'll use
the phrase again, it's not an accusatory finger that you
point in their nose saying you are, you are. You're
letting the conscience, that ally that you just referred to,
that's already inherently in every single one of us, do
the convicting. Is it ever a challenge for you personally
to say, I want to make sure that they're not
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hearing me say, I accuse you, but that you're just
appealing to? If I can put it this way, the
mechanics that the Lord has already put in each and
every one of us.
S5 (34:25):
Yeah, it takes a little bit of courage at one point,
because we tend to want to sympathize with the person
we're talking to. Like, have you ever stolen something? I
have have you ever told lies? I've told lies. We
try and console them, but realize that God's a judge.
This is a criminal, and you want him to feel
conviction for his sins. When Nathan pointed at David, and
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I presume he would have pointed him when he said,
you are the man, he didn't say, um, I wouldn't
get too upset because I've committed adultery too. I've lied
and stolen. I've coveted my neighbor's. No, he didn't sympathize
with him. He let him feel the weight of his
own guilt. And it's a hard thing to do. But
you've got to hands off and let that guilt do
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its work and let it bring contrition. Because had David
been been consoled in a sense, and he may not
have seen how serious things were in the sight of God,
that's what caused him to say, I've sinned against heaven,
and that's why we've got Psalm 51. Have mercy upon me,
O God, according to your loving kindness, according to the
multitude of your tender mercies. Talked a little bit before
about trivializing sin, humanity, human nature tries to spread it
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out as it the college this morning two in a
row did the same thing. Have you lied? Oh, yes.
Everybody lies. Have you ever stolen something? Yes. Everybody steals.
It was in the past and I asked you the
question in the past. I met you in the past.
Everything's in the past. Even what I said right now
is in the past. And being in the past doesn't
exonerate you of your crimes against God. And so it's
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very important to bring it back to personal nature. You
are the man. This is what Paul did in Romans two.
You say you shall not commit adultery. Do you commit adultery?
You say, you shall not steal, do you steal? And
so it's very important to be bold, be courageous, and
trust God to bring conviction and let that conscience do
its God given duty.
S1 (36:14):
Yeah. Did you learn? Forgive me for the simplicity of
this question, but I really want to know. Was this
someone you studied to do this, or is this the
tutorial from the Holy Spirit in your life that this
is the right way to do this?
S5 (36:26):
Well, it was like I openly preached every day, almost
every day for about 12 years. And Speakers Corner in
the city of Christchurch, New Zealand, and I had an
opponent called the Wizard who came on the second lunch.
I was on the first. He was a godless man,
but we became friends, took him home for lunch or dinner,
and I cut my teeth on having hecklers every day.
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They were waiting to have me for lunch. Another Christian
for lunch. And it really helped me. Plus, I've got
Ken Ham who insults me every day and keeps me
on my toes.
S1 (36:59):
There you go. Exactly right. We're going to take a break.
Come back. This hour is going far too quickly. But
I'm so glad that even if you miss this and
you can go to Turning Point USA, you'll be able
to find it there. Go to to to Ray's website.
There's a ton of information there, but I just want
you to listen with the ears on your heart to
how this takes place, this back and forth. So how
did that young man answer the question, would you be
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innocent or guilty? Back after this? Ray Comfort is the
founder and CEO of Living Waters and the author of
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multiple best selling books over a hundred, by the way,
he's also the man who's the creative thinker behind so
many of the movies that they put out. 180 evolution
versus God, audacity, the list goes on. And of course,
way of the master, which is seen in hundreds of
countries all around the globe. So Ray was invited by
Turning Point USA to participate in a campus event, this
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time at Cal State Fullerton. Ray was there several members
of his team. It was a huge crowd, and it's
a wonderful opportunity for you and me, even if we
couldn't attend in person to learn this approach to sharing
the good news, to appeal, as Ray says, not to
the intellect, because therein lies conflict, but to the conscience,
the ally. I love that I'll never forget what you
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just taught us, right? The ally that's already residing in
the heart of every one of us, which is a conscience.
And that conscience will prick us, and we'll understand that
we have fallen short. The Bible says all have sinned
and come short of the glory of God. There isn't one, no,
not one that's righteous. So the young man that got
to the microphone at this event was a young man,
winsome young fella, answering questions. And Ray did exactly what
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he just taught us, appealed to the conscience, and ended
the dialogue by asking him, after pointing out that this
young man had broken several of the Ten Commandments, thereby
identifying the fact that he, like all of us, was
a sinner, that he had fallen short of God's standard
of righteousness. And so Ray Winsomely appealed to him and said,
so would you be innocent or would you be guilty?
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I want to pick up the conversation at this point. Listen.
S5 (39:11):
Would you go to heaven or hell?
S7 (39:13):
Uh, you know, I've always tried to live truthfully, and you've.
S5 (39:17):
Always.
S7 (39:18):
Tried to live like I live every day. Like it
is my last.
S5 (39:22):
Not today. You're going to be right.
S7 (39:25):
Um. I try and be a good person. Everyone.
S5 (39:28):
Regardless of the question.
S7 (39:31):
Yeah.
S5 (39:31):
Will you be innocent or guilty on Judgement Day as
a lying, thieving, blasphemous, fornicating adulterer at heart?
S7 (39:37):
I'm guilty.
S5 (39:38):
Yeah, but you got a heaven or hell.
S7 (39:40):
I'd probably go to the h e double hockey sticks.
S5 (39:42):
Does that? Does that concern you? You might think it's funny,
but I don't.
S7 (39:46):
I'm horrified. I'm not.
S5 (39:47):
I've just met you, and I love you. I don't
want you to go to hell. It breaks my heart.
I'm serious. You may not see tears in my eyes,
but there's tears in my voice. If you die tonight
in your sleep. God will justly damn you in a
terrible place called hell. Jesus said, fear not. Who has
power to kill your body? And afterwards do no more.
But fear him who has power to kill your body
and destroy your soul in hell? Don't let that happen
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to you. So does it concern you that you go
to hell today if you died?
S7 (40:13):
It does concern me.
S5 (40:14):
Okay, now, what did God do for guilty sinners like
you and me so we wouldn't have to go to hell?
S7 (40:19):
Yes. He died on the cross for our sins.
S5 (40:22):
Now, even the devil knows that. Most of America knows that.
But you've got to appreciate what he did. We broke
the law. Jesus paid the fine. Like I said to
the guy before, if you're in court and someone pays
your fine, a judge can legally let you walk free
and God can take death off you because of what
Jesus did on the cross paying the fine. For God
so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son,
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that whoever believes in him should not perish but have
everlasting life. So if you'll repent, turn from sin. Trust
in Jesus right now. God will wash away your sins
and grant you everlasting life as a free gift. Oh,
because of his amazing grace. So, Alex. When are you
going to repent and put your trust in Jesus?
S7 (41:05):
Uh, as soon as I can today. Yes.
S5 (41:10):
Are you sorry for your sins?
S7 (41:11):
I'm sorry.
S5 (41:12):
Are you willing to repent and trust in Jesus?
S7 (41:14):
Yeah.
S5 (41:14):
Okay. Can we bow in prayer? I'll pray for you.
You don't need to pray. Okay. Father, I pray for
Alex that this day he'll truly see his sin. And
he may tremble at the thought of sinning against you.
And this day may catch a glimpse of your incredible
love you expressed, expressed through the cross today. May he
be born again, be given a new heart, new desires,
and a love of righteousness and the knowledge he has
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everlasting life, all because of your amazing grace. In Jesus
name we pray. Amen. Amen.
S1 (41:41):
Mm. Ray, what's it like for you to hear that back?
S5 (41:45):
For I've heard it so many times. A one trick pony. Um,
but every day, um, there's going to be a shout
when Jesus comes. That's me saying yes. I'll never have
to ask anyone if they've lied anymore. Um, but yeah,
it's such a joy to hear someone who's genuinely repentant
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and say, today, I want to get right with God.
There's more joy in heaven over one sinner who comes
to repentance than over 99 righteous persons, as Jesus said.
So it's just wonderful. And, uh, the wonderful thing is
this is going over the internet. Yes. And, uh, people
are hearing the gospel and being challenged. And the Apostle
Paul would be green with righteous envy. Yes. To know
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that what we've got in this modern, technical, technological world
to be able to do this.
S1 (42:34):
Mhm. I've often said that I think Paul would have
an account somewhere on some social media platform, you would
take advantage of it. But to your point, the general
greater point on that is something seems to be happening.
I mean, he's not willing that any should perish, and
there is always that remnant, and there's always people who
are hungry. And there continues to be that God shaped
void in the heart of every man. But there's something different.
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Right now, it seems, in the American culture. Give me
your take on that.
S5 (43:00):
Yeah. I think we're coming back to getting a little
taste of the fear of the Lord. And by the way,
if the Apostle Paul had a website, it'd be chief
of sinners.com. I'm sure.
S1 (43:11):
Yes, indeed, I concur. That's great.
S5 (43:14):
Yeah, that's what's been missing in America for so long.
A genuine fear of God. And and it's we've been
an idolatrous country where everybody from the president, right down
through the politicians, have got this belief in God and
appeal to God. And, you know, let's have a moment
of prayer and all this stuff. And the next minute
they blaspheme his name. And yet, over the last few weeks,
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after what happened to Charlie Kirk, there's a sobriety. Come on,
people and people are talking about God that didn't normally
talk about God. And Jesus is being exalted. And like
that memorial service for Charlie, that was just awesome. I
was I just couldn't believe it. I thought, boy, it's
talking about Jesus again and again and exalting him and
even mentioning the cross and and the hope of the gospel.
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So something stirring within this land and for which I
thank God.
S1 (44:03):
Yeah. Amen to that. Couldn't agree more. Ray, I didn't
get around to it because you have so many resources,
but I did put up on our website. Jesus amplified
the deeper meanings of the words of Jesus. It's a
daily devotional. You have a Bible verse, you have your
thoughts on the verse, and at the end you have
a short period of prayer. Tell me why you wrote
this book and why it would be an encouragement to
just about anybody.
S5 (44:23):
It goes back to the original words of Jesus. I
went back to the Amplified Bible. So when you read it,
read it a little louder.
S1 (44:31):
Get it amplified. That didn't slip past you, right? Oh, Ray,
you have so many resources. I can't tell you how
much I enjoy our conversations. I'm already looking forward to
the next one. And I'm. Here's my fervent prayer and
full transparency that people hear exactly what it sounds like
when you do what you've been doing for decades. And
thank you for your obedience to our King in doing that,
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because you're not just telling people about Jesus, you're teaching
other brothers and sisters how to do this without blush
or embarrassment or hesitation. I wonder how many of our
brothers and sisters went, oh, I don't want to go
any place where you got a sniper on a roof.
I'm not even consider wearing a jacket. Yeah, well, we've
referenced the chief of sinners. Com wasn't he the one
that said to live is Christ? To die is gain.
(45:14):
I'd rather be with him. But for your sake, I'm
still here, you know. So it's appointed unto man once
to die. Ray knows that it isn't somebody else's idea.
He's already got that date booked. What Ray has done,
what we need to do is say yes, Lord, and
show up in obedience. Love you friend. See you next time.
Bye bye.
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The conference was over. The president won a pledge.
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Americans worshiping government over God.
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Extremely rare safety move by a 17 years.
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The Palestinians and Israelis negotiated a truce.
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You know, there was a builder. Even if the builder
died 50 years ago, you know, don't just believe, you know,
there was a builder because buildings cannot build themselves. Creation
is evidence of a creator. You look around, you see
the genius of God's creative hand everywhere you look. And
the Bible says this. The invisible things of him from
the creation of the world are clearly seen being understood
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by the things that are made. So, you know, God
exists because, you know, things have been made.
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Welcomed in the market with Janet Parshall. And that is
the one and only Ray comfort who proclaims the gospel
without blush, embarrassment or hesitation. By appealing is his words,
not to the intellect where conflict resides, but rather to
the conscience. And God opened the door for him to
do just that. At Cal State Fullerton recently through a
Turning Point USA event, and I can't wait to find
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out to get a first person account of what happened. Ray,
of course, is the founder and CEO of Living Waters.
He's the best selling author of more than 100 books.
He's the co-host of the award winning TV program that
airs on 190 countries. And that is, of course, the
way of the master. He's the producer of several award
winning films. They have a fabulous YouTube channel where literally
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millions of people come and visit every single day. Their
resources are superb, they have a streaming platform, and when
I'm done telling you everything about Living Waters and Ray comfort,
we'll have two minutes left to talk. So I'll leave
it there for the moment and say, Ray, I cannot
tell you what a thrill it was to sit and
watch that entire event. I was praying like crazy the
entire time you were speaking, and I thought, this is
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a New Testament moment. You have been so familiar with
the whole idea of open air preaching. That's just who
you are. It just pours out of you. But you're
in a class of your own. You're unique that way
in that. Now we're kind of the frozen chosen here
in the United States, and we don't do that so much.
And we have lots of conversations about love and grace,
but we don't want to do exactly what you do
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so powerfully, and that is appeal to the conscience that
it's oh so politically incorrect, even broach the subject of sin,
and you do it in the most loving way. I
want to hear just first of all, some impressions, some
fingerprints on your heart the day that you went there
to be a part of this conversation, what did you think?
How do you prepare?
S5 (05:00):
Yeah. Um, you prepare by putting on a bulletproof vest.
S1 (05:04):
Yes, that's exactly right. But tell our friends, because you
didn't keep it on.
S5 (05:09):
No, I want to stop. Said you need to wear
a bulletproof vest. I said no, no, they're too restrictive, blah, blah,
and I, I looked at a video and it looked
really good. It didn't look cumbersome. So we ordered it $1,100.
And I thought, well, this is my wife, my wife,
my life worth that. So he got it and I
wore it for an hour around the house. And it
was cumbersome. It was falsified advertising. It was heavy. And
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when I looked in the mirror, I looked like I
was £200 overweight. And I thought, if I get killed,
I don't want people to have that impression on me.
The last impression I plumped little anyway. So. Because I
had to wear a t shirt over it, t shirt
under it and shirt over it. And on top of that,
and anyway, I thought, I don't want to wear this.
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So I said to Sue, that's my wife. I said,
I'm 75 years old. If someone takes me out, they're
not going to take me out in my youth, and
I'm not going to leave two little kids without fathers.
Do you mind if I don't wear it? And she said,
no problem at all. Didn't mention life insurance or anything
like that was just great. And so I didn't. I
didn't wear it. And uh, and things there was a
huge crowd there. We just couldn't believe how many were there.
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And it was a wonderful opportunity. I do have one regret, regrets.
I have a few, but then again, too few to mention. Um,
one of them was, one of them was, uh, the
fact that when we preached open air in universities in
the past, we've had what's called a gatekeeper. And this
is because we've had an open mic for many years
in Huntington Beach. And we know if a Christian gets
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on that open mic, it's the end of the whole thing.
It's just all over because the crowd leaves. If they
want to give a testimony how their leg was healed,
they've got a theological question that's boring to the unsaved
and they just leave. So I forgot to tell them
to have a strong gatekeeper that just said, oh, this
is for non-Christians, not Christians. Thank you. And so I
had an unenviable task of asking Christians to get off
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the box, and there's no way to do it without
sounding rude. So next time we do that, we'll make
sure we've got a good gatekeeper that says, look, this
is for atheists and skeptics to ask questions about the
things of God, not for pastoral counselling, which is boring
to the unsaved. So that's our only regret. But it
was just a wonderful opportunity. And then when Fox, uh,
got hold of us and said, would I come on? Um,
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I thought, this is a wonderful opportunity. And, uh, did
you know that story?
S1 (07:27):
Yes. I watched it multiple times. All four minutes and
36 seconds of it, where there wasn't a second, a
nanosecond that wasn't dedicated to preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ.
I've got some clips I'm going to play during the
course of this conversation as well, but tell our friends
how this happened. By the way, can I go back
to your regret for a minute? Because your video. I mean,
you're so excellent with the creative arts. You really know
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how to capture people. You're fishing for men all the time.
And so, of course, that I have one regret populated
in my living waters feed last night. And I just
watched it and I thought, well, I'm going to talk
to Ray tomorrow. I can't imagine this man has anything
to regret about what happened at Cal State Fullerton. And
then you made this comment about the gatekeeper and this
unenviable task of when someone came up. The first question
you asked was, are you a Christian and what you
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wanted to do? And you weren't being mean by the
way you did this because you were there for the
purpose of preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ. And so
you wanted to engage and interact with those who didn't
yet know him the seeker, the skeptic, the cynic, the
role of the Christian in that environment. As I saw it,
watching the entire three plus hour event, was that their
job was to be praying for those who came to
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the microphone and didn't yet know the Lord as their Savior,
while at the same time being tutored by a master. You, Mr. Comfort,
on exactly how to be able to go back to
the conscience and not the intellect. And of course, college
campuses are about nothing but the intellect. So I thought
to myself, my heart goes out to you. That's your
tender heart that you wanted to do that. And it
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was a logistics issue. And I understand that there were
some who might have thought, well, you weren't being kind
to the Christians. It wasn't an apologetics class. It wasn't
a discipleship class. It wasn't a Christian 400 level class.
It was for people on a secular university to find
out who is this Jesus? And you were doing it
because in the window of time that you had, you
wanted to make sure that message was the message that
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was preached. So can I just tell you, as an
observer in the peanut gallery, you handled it with a
sophistication and tenderness. I was extremely impressed.
S5 (09:22):
Could you write that out? And I'll keep reading it
back to myself. I needed that because I seriously, I
have I have seen hundreds of comments. The Christians saying,
you're mean, you're horrible, you should talk to Christians and
stuff like that. And they just didn't understand what we're
trying to do. So it's good for my soul to
hear you say that. Thank you. Jenna.
S1 (09:43):
You're so welcome. And it really, truly. That's why I
wanted to see it live. I thought, I can't be
at Cal State, but I can be a prayer warrior.
And I wanted to intercede. And that the Lord would
put the words in your mouth and everyone else from
your team that was going to get up and speak,
and that's what I did. That was a privilege when
we come back. So here's a national news network that
picks up on what happened. And they picked up on
Ray comfort. So I want you to hear from him
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When the the prostitute was brought up and Jesus said,
sin no more. Do you think that she never again
committed a sin?
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Don't think so.
S6 (11:04):
Okay, so then what was the meaning of that passage?
S5 (11:08):
See, a Christian is someone who perpetually. Do you know
what that means?
S6 (11:11):
Yeah.
S5 (11:11):
Perpetually turns from sin. If you get up in the
morning and say, today I sin, that's called sinning after
the flesh. And you need to check yourself and see
if you're playing the hypocrite again.
S1 (11:23):
That was a part of a Turning Point USA event
where Ray comfort and many members of his team came
and engaged with students at Cal State Fullerton. Just a
I don't know about you, but my heart is just pounding.
Something is happening. I'm so excited to see this open
air preaching, this direct appeal, going where young minds are,
particularly where they're anxious to know questions. You know, college
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is so about building your worldview. And in theory, you're
supposed to be sifting and weighing until you concretize your
own worldview. And in the midst of all of that,
while you're getting all of this knowledge, what you're really
hungry for is wisdom. And that comes from the Lord.
So it's a very ripe, fertile field for someone to
show up. And Ray comfort, thank you, Lord was given
the opportunity to be able to do just that. But
after this event, we're going to talk more about it
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in a minute. I don't have a clue how this happened.
Just somewhere they've got to be Christians all over that network, Ray,
because of the stuff that they do and the guests
that they book and they found you. Now, Trace Gallagher
is part of Fox, but he's stationed in California. So
tell me how you got the call that they wanted
to talk to you?
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Well, just before I say that, I got to say
that my team here were responsible even though I didn't
wear a bulletproof vest. And also, there were things on
the internet like comments on a YouTube channel giving advice
to me like one was any death threats. Yet another
one was take a page out of Trump's book and
move your head around a lot. Oh wow. And another
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one was make sure there's an ambulance there. Another one says,
try and stop the bleeding within five minutes or you're dead.
Very encouraging stuff like that. Well, we did have security.
We did have security guards following me around. We had
armed police in plainclothes in the crowd. We had a
guy on a roof, uh, security on the roof, and
we had a drone watching what was going on. So
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they were very responsible and did take care of. Anyway, Fox, uh,
contacted me, and they were going to they were going
to get me on beforehand, and then they said no afterwards.
Would you would you do it? And I said, love
to went to Santa Monica. And all the day that
they they got me to send them video of what
I'd like shown and they said, give us some questions
that we'd like, you know, you'd like to ask or
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be asked. And so I formulated questions that were very
good and gave them great video. And when I got there,
a surprise, the producer assistant producer says, I guess you
could have knocked me over. She says, I love your ministry.
Can we do a selfie? And I was just so
encouraged that it was just I thought, what? This is crazy.
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And anyway, two minutes before we went live, she said
they didn't use your footage and they didn't use your questions.
And I thought, great, here I am going to go
on live television nationwide. This is an incredible opportunity to
make a fool of myself in front of my family,
from my friends, in front of millions of people, because
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I had nothing to say. They took away my bullet points.
I'd been practicing all day what I was going to say,
and it was just smooth and clear and wonderful. Anyway,
the floor manager came over about a minute before and says,
come this way. And I got my bullet points which
were on my phone, dropped them on my lap of
my driver and cameraman Gayle, and just went out. This
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is a sink or swim and I could not believe
what Fox did. They played a video of me showing
how you could prove God's existence. Like, look at the building.
It was a builder, obviously. Look at creation. There was
a creator. And then quoting scripture. And then trace comes back,
talks to me for a minute, and then he says,
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now let's look at another clip about sin. I thought
about what about this is Fox News that's supposed to
suppress the truth in unrighteousness. What is going on? So
we talked about sin. And then the next thing he says,
now we'll look at a clip about hell. And I thought,
you're kidding. The only time they talk about hell on
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Fox is when the president is speaking. He talks about
it a lot. He uses the word without speaking it
in truth. And so I was absolutely delighted, flabbergasted. And
I so thank God that he helped me, because I've
often talked about this with the guys at the ministry
when they asked me ask me questions about ministry. You know,
when God's helping you. Because, you know, when God's not
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helping you, you know what it feels like to flounder
when you get into a pulpit. And and I just says, Lord,
you've got to help me. So I actually typed a
little prayer onto my phone and it was just said
something like this Dear father, I know nothing I can
do nothing. You've just got to help me with this, please,
in Jesus name. And that's when I sink or swim.
And when I came off after the 3 or 4 minutes,
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I could have done cartwheels down the stairs. That's a
slight exaggeration, but I was just over the moon. That God. Well,
that's another exaggeration over the moon. That what God had
allowed me to do to preach the whole gospel on
secular television. It was just amazing.
S1 (16:13):
Yes. And in less than five minutes. So the existence
of God, the reality of sin and the the, the
destination of hell, I mean, all of that. But the
best part is when it was done, Trey said, Ray,
you give us more video, we want you back on again.
Now it's atypical. Typical. It's atypical for a for a
host to do that because there's a few witnesses to
what was just said. So for him to say it.
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The other thing too, is my mama used to say,
there is no art to tell the mind's construction by
the face. She loved to quote that poet's line, but
I'm telling you, I don't know where he's coming from spiritually,
because first Samuel says, I don't have those kind of eyes.
God looks on the outward, man looks on the outward appearance,
but God looks on the heart. But Tracy didn't take
his eyes off of you. His eyes widened as you spoke,
and even the selection of the clips that they did play.
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You know you don't. God's hand is in there somewhere.
Who was the person who was the production assistant? Who
was the person in master control that said, these are
the clips that we're going to make. And then after
the fact to learn that somehow what you had thought
they were going to talk about were the questions that
you had submitted. That didn't happen. You were a living
example again. And let me point out what I saw.
The scripture just came pouring out when you were talking,
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number one, out of the overflow of the heart, the
mouth speaks. He didn't need any bullet points. God had
written all of this on the tablet of your heart,
and you've talked about it for decades. It flowed out
of you because it's what you believe. It's in your
spiritual DNA. The second thing, too, is your prayer was
exactly Jeremiah's prayer of old. Your words in my mouth.
Oh God, your words in my mouth. I don't think
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that could have gone better the way it was done.
And I know that you and I both agree. All
of that honor and glory and praise goes to the Lord.
But the gospel was preached. And just like Brother Paul
in the New Testament, whether it's a Coliseum or on
the deck of a sinking ship, when you had the opportunity,
do not hesitate to declare God's message of truth and
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love and judgment and heaven and hell. More on that
when we get back.
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Does it concern you that you go to hell today
if you died?
S7 (18:32):
It does concern me.
S5 (18:33):
Okay, now, what did God do for guilty sinners like
you and me so we wouldn't have to go to hell?
S7 (18:38):
Yes. He died on the cross for our sins.
S5 (18:41):
Now, even the devil knows that. Most of America knows that.
But you have got to appropriate what he did. We
broke the law. Jesus paid the fine.
S1 (18:49):
Mm. That's my friend Ray comfort. Being bold for the
gospel at Cal State Fullerton. One of the participants at
a Turning Point USA event. I want to just kind
of get your impressions generally about whether or not something's happening.
And then I want to get into the particulars of
why it is you so rightfully, and I am now
such a strong convert to this. You don't appeal to
the intellect, you appeal to the conscience. That's a point
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you made on Fox when you were talking to Trace Gallagher.
I want to go back to that in a minute,
but just give me the atmospherics. First of all, you
were surprised, too, at the crowd. We know you've walked
with the Lord a long time. To what do you
attribute this? I this? I know that we now are
a country that witness a man get murdered on national television,
and that obviously raises curiosity, interest and concern all at once.
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But why do you think so many people turned out
on a secular college campus to see what was going
to happen at this event?
S5 (19:38):
I'm not sure. Except Jack Hibbs did it did it did, uh,
sent out a whatever. It's an ex. Um, the Cal
State Fullerton did a quick, uh, poster just after I said,
let's do this. So they made up a poster real quick,
and it had a profile of me to the left,
profile to the right, and a front on profile. And
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I thought, that's great for someone to shoot me. They
know exactly what. It was absolutely perfect. I thought, that's
really good. So anyway, we made another poster for them
using our graphic artists. And, um, but Jack Hibbs, when
I just says, uh, you're good with security, what's his security?
Should we get. He didn't even answer me. He just
tweeted out, Ray Comfort's going to be at this. And
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he's got a big following and that's local. That's Chino
Hills is close to Fullerton reasonably. And so that was
another reason so many turned out. But there were a
lot of non-Christians there because when a transsexual or whatever
she was got up and started going about something, the
crowd cheered for her and I thought, boy, that's good.
That tells us where the fish are, because you really
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don't want to be surrounded by Christians, is the saying
we have preaching to the converted, which is a way
of saying futility, and we really don't want to be
doing that. And that was one of my fears that
we'd be preaching to the converted. But we weren't, which
was wonderful. Yeah. And I.
S1 (20:56):
Think.
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As I said on Fox, coronavirus, the coronavirus did a
great service for the church because it made a whole
generation face their mortality and previous generations. Death is for
the elderly, but they've seen that death is also for
young people. There's a lot of young people dying and
it scares them and makes them open their heart. And
often when I go to the local college, that's the
first thing I say to people you're afraid of dying.
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And I say yes. And I said, do you know
the Bible? The dresses that says why we die. How
you can find everlasting life. Are you interested? And they
more than often are. And so it's it's wonderful that
we've got a field out there that's ripe to harvest,
as Jesus said. We've just got to take that sickle
and learn how to cut into the harvest field.
S1 (21:37):
Mhm. Well, speaking of that field, you know, my heart
was touched. You're the father of three grown children. Um,
and you saw.
S5 (21:45):
These groaning, groaning children.
S1 (21:46):
Groaning. Yes. Or the parent groans when dad, can you
lend me a few bucks I get I know how
that goes. But as these young people came up, my
heart broke because I thought this girl studying biology and
this one is going to be a, you know, poli
sci major, and this one's doing econ, and they come
up with these questions. And yet there was a there
was a brokenness to so many of these kids who
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came up, muslims who came up, a woman who identified
herself as bisexual. They wanted to get entangled in the
issue of homosexuality. Um, and yet they just that idea
of going back again to that hole in their heart.
You did a superb job. And I think this is just,
first of all, the Lord's grace, mercy and his instruction
in your life. But it's instructive to me to watch
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you do it is that you didn't get entangled in
the first question, which could have been political in nature.
You moved that aside, and you gently got right to
the core question again about, you know, whether or not
you're a sinner. Do you know where you'd go tonight
when you die? Uh, this is a ridiculous question, because
I'm sure it's just like asking somebody, how do you
dance for the Joffrey Ballet? You just. You know how
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to dance. You know how to dance this. But how
do you get the wisdom? Teach us to say I
don't want. That's not the question that I should be
answering right now. You have such wisdom in saying move
it to the right question off of the wrong question.
S5 (23:01):
Yeah, it's difficult to do for the human ego because
you don't want to seem like a one something, one
dance pony. What's the saying? A one trick pony? You've
got me dancing with your belly business. You wreck my analogy.
A dancing pony. One trick pony. Because. But I want
to preach Christ and Him crucified. That's what Paul said.
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I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus
Christ and Him crucified. The gospel is the power of
God to salvation. So we've got to get to the
gospel because Jesus said, go into all the world and
preach the gospel to every creature. And what we've got
to do is understand that apologetics, argumentative defenses for Christianity
are like bait. When you go fishing, you do not
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just go with bait because you're going to end up
with fat, happy fish that get away. You've got to
disguise the hook. So I will use evolution for a
couple of moments just to make my hearer. And then
I want to bring the hook in. And you do
that by simply saying, do you think you're a good person?
What's going to happen to you when you die? You're
going to heaven. And when they say, I'm a good person,
that's when you bring in the light of the law
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to show them themselves in their true light. Often I've
said the law is like a mirror. When we get
up in the morning, we go to the mirror to
see what damage has been done during the night. And
when you see a pale face, puffy eyes, outstanding hairstyle,
you go from the mirror to the water to wash.
And God's law is like a mirror. It reflects that
we're all as an unclean thing, and all our righteous
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deeds are as filthy rags. And we go from the
mirror of the law to the water of the blood
of Christ, to wash the law is a schoolmaster to
bring us to Christ. So what we need to do
is imitate Jesus. Don't get caught up in the intellect
because that's the place of argument. Carnal mind is enmity
against God. Bible says we're enemies of God and our
minds through wicked works. When you move to the conscience
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by saying, are you a good person and going through
the commandments, you stir up the judge on the courtroom
of the mind, that conscience that God's given to every
man and it accuses shows us we're in trouble and
we need a savior.
S3 (24:58):
Wow.
S1 (25:00):
Brilliant. It's so important. Now, when we come back, I
want to share some longer audio with you. So you
what Ray just said. I want you to hear this.
This would be a tutorial, a practicum, if you will.
Exactly how Ray does this. Something's happening in our country.
You don't want to sit this out, do you? You
want to be a part of this. You want to
be prepared to give a reason for the hope that
resides within you, and to be able to appeal to
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I'm really enjoying reading this book. You know, people give
me books all the time. Somebody gave me this book
at a Change My Mind event at Cal State Fullerton.
I looked at it and it said over 350,000 copies
in print. I said, wow. I looked it up. It's
an author by the name of Ray comfort. I'd never
heard of him. I'm sure some of you are going
to ridicule me for that. And it's terrific. And it
talks about the proper way to present the gospel. So
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I'm just going to tease you about that and we'll
really dive into it on Friday. I'm so glad whoever
gave it to me, I don't know your name. Thank you.
We'll be right back.
S1 (26:31):
Isn't that cool? That's. Charlie Kirk gets a copy of
Ray's book, and I'm telling you, who knows how that
was used in helping Charlie proclaim the gospel without blush,
embarrassment or hesitation? Appealing to the conscience, not the intellect. Now,
we've been saying that a lot. I think it really
helps if, by the way, you sign up to the
YouTube channel that Ray has so that you can watch
these every night, it's just a joy for me when
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I'm going to finally kick back, give myself an hour
of just relaxation time, and it's just populated with Living
Waters videos. And I just love hearing what Ray has
to say about the events of the day and how
he starts with the issue of the day and moves
it to salvation stories. And it's just absolutely fabulous. And
you and I are the beneficiaries of that kind of teaching.
So here is an example, an auditory example. You can't
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see anything, but you listen. So we're going to paint
on the canvas of your mind. This is a young
man came up very respectful. Sweet fella came up and
he wanted to ask great questions when he was at
Cal State Fullerton. And it went like this. Have a listen.
S5 (27:26):
So you said you're you're agnostic.
S7 (27:29):
I am agnostic, yes.
S5 (27:30):
I believe in.
S7 (27:30):
God, I do.
S5 (27:31):
I said, is he angry at you? And what did
you say?
S7 (27:34):
I know I am imperfect.
S5 (27:35):
What do you mean imperfect? Can you be can you
give me some specifics? What are you doing? That this
pleases God?
S7 (27:41):
Uh, I don't go to church too regularly.
S5 (27:44):
If that displeases God. Like sin.
S7 (27:46):
Yeah, well, that too, I mean.
S5 (27:48):
Have you been born again?
S7 (27:50):
No, I haven't actually.
S5 (27:51):
We want you to be born again. We want you
to enter God's kingdom. Jesus said this. Except a man
is born again. He cannot see the kingdom of God.
S7 (27:58):
Yes.
S5 (27:59):
So you need to be born again.
S7 (28:00):
I understand.
S5 (28:01):
And the thing that will stop you coming to Christ
is your love of sin. The Bible says we hate
God without cause. We're enemies of God and our minds
are wicked. Works actually says in the book of Romans,
our mind is in a state of hostility towards God.
Are you hostile towards God?
S7 (28:20):
I'm not very hostile. I'm. I'm pretty small. I'm not
too intimidating. No, no.
S5 (28:24):
I mean, with your mouth or your thoughts. Are you
hostile towards God? No you're not. Have you ever used
God's name in vain?
S7 (28:32):
Not in recent time.
S5 (28:34):
So you have.
S7 (28:35):
Yes.
S5 (28:36):
Why didn't you just say yes?
S7 (28:38):
I like attention.
S5 (28:39):
Recent times. Do you love your mum?
S7 (28:42):
Yeah.
S5 (28:42):
Would you ever use her name as a cuss word?
A substitute for human excrement? Would you use your mother's
name in that context? Please say.
S7 (28:51):
No. No.
S5 (28:51):
Good. Because you respect her. Yeah, but you don't respect
the God that gave your mother. You've taken his holy
name and used it in place of a cuss word.
With what greater hostility can you have towards anyone than
to use their name as a cuss word? So you're
at enmity with God in your mind through wicked works.
(29:12):
That's what the Bible says. And every time you sin,
you're storing up God's wrath. It's going to be revealed
on the day of judgment. So let's go through those commandments,
as we did with our friend before, and see how
you're doing.
S7 (29:22):
Yes.
S5 (29:23):
Are you a good person?
S7 (29:25):
I like to think so as well.
S5 (29:26):
Okay. This is kind of a little bit a little
embarrassing for you, Alex. When did you last look at pornography?
S7 (29:33):
I, I don't remember. I got a girlfriend. I don't,
I don't remember.
S5 (29:37):
Are you fornicating with your girlfriend?
S7 (29:39):
I said, guys. Oh my gosh.
S5 (29:43):
So you don't need porn? Because now. Because you're fornicating
with your girlfriend. And the Bible says fornicators will not
inherit the kingdom of God.
S7 (29:50):
I told you it's going to be embarrassing.
S5 (29:52):
But think of what's going to happen on the Day
of Judgment if you're embarrassed in front of human beings.
How much more will you be ashamed on the day
of Judgment? And I don't want that to happen to you.
If you lied and stolen.
S7 (30:03):
Uh oh.
S5 (30:05):
Uh.
S7 (30:05):
I took a I took a gumball from the candy
store once when I was nine. Yeah, I know, I know, yeah.
It's disappointing. Look.
S5 (30:12):
Alex, let me tell you something.
S7 (30:13):
Yes, sir.
S5 (30:14):
It's human nature to trivialize sin. I stole something when
I was a little kid from a little store. It
was a little piece of candy. That's what we like.
I just. Oh, yes, and I lied. I told little
white lies. Just when it comes to lust, I expect
guys to say, yeah, I have lust. But just after
little women, nothing big. We trivialize sin. But, Alex, you
opened my wallet and take $1 out. You're as much
(30:35):
a thief as you took. If you took $10 out,
the value of that which you steal is irrelevant to God.
So you've told me you're a liar. Have you stolen?
You have stolen.
S7 (30:44):
I did.
S5 (30:45):
And blasphemed. And you're fornicator and an adulterer at heart.
So if God judges you by those ten commandments on
Judgment Day, you're going to be innocent or guilty.
S1 (30:54):
Mm. And we'll get the answer to that question in
the next segment. So let me stop it there, Ray.
So many things go through my mind in this exchange.
First of all, it's and I'll use a good Yiddish term.
It takes a lot of chutzpah for these students to
get up to the microphone because they're publicly confessing their sin,
the lying, fornicating, etc., taking the Lord's name in vain.
And yet, what I did not hear for a single
(31:16):
student was using foul language in return, telling you to
take a long walk off a short plank. I mean,
there were all kinds of things they could have said
in response, but I think the answer to the question
is to the question, why don't they respond in a
hostile way is because of you. I think it's the
way in which that you point out the conscience without
(31:37):
doing it in such a way that it's, you know, um,
sackcloth and ashes and an accusatory finger pointed in their nose.
I think it's because you operate under the knowledge that
it's the Holy Spirit that does the conviction. You're just
having them stand in front of the mirror. Talk to
me about that.
S5 (31:53):
It's my accent.
S1 (31:56):
Of course. How foolish of me. Yes, sir.
S5 (31:59):
I haven't heard that. I forgot that that went on.
And I heard the guy say. I did not sign
up for this. Did you hear that? Did you? You
got to empathize with them. Most people, you know, they
confess their sins to their mother or something like that.
But to openly with cameras rolling all over the place
and public have all that exposed. But he became very,
(32:20):
as you will hear, because the conscience does its duty,
it does its work. So you and I have got
an ally right in the heart of the enemy. You know,
when you watch those old war movies, uh, the allies
have to contact someone behind enemy lines, and they've got
a password. You know, the the green horse jumps over
the yellow fence at midnight or something like that, and
(32:40):
they say, yes, that's. And they finish it off. Well,
we've got an ally right in the heart of the enemy.
And the way to stir up the ally to make
contact with it is just open up those commandments, because
the work of the law is written in their heart,
the conscience bearing witness. So I didn't I wasn't talking
about evolution or the existence of God. I was just
speaking directly to that God given conscience. And that conscience
(33:03):
is conscience is on my side. And you can do
the same thing with Uncle Arthur when you're sitting at
the table at Christmas. He's he's anti-God. He's just saying,
do you think there's an afterlife? Let him talk and say,
do you think you're a good person? Well, let's go
through those ten commandments and see how you do, and
the conscience will do its duty. And people cannot argue
in the face of conscience because it's, uh, it's so powerful.
(33:25):
It drives men to drink and women drives people to suicide.
That feeling of guilt. And it can be appeased the
moment we give our lives to Christ.
S1 (33:34):
But let me underscore again, and why I think I
have been blessed with the time I've spent watching you
do this, because you are such a wonderful teacher, and
I hope I'm an apt pupil, but you never it,
even though it is appealing to the conscience what you
don't do and why, I think there's such a gentle
response for the student after student after student who came
(33:56):
to the microphone is because it's not. And I'll use
the phrase again, it's not an accusatory finger that you
point in their nose saying you are, you are. You're
letting the conscience, that ally that you just referred to,
that's already inherently in every single one of us, do
the convicting. Is it ever a challenge for you personally
to say, I want to make sure that they're not
(34:16):
hearing me say, I accuse you, but that you're just
appealing to? If I can put it this way, the
mechanics that the Lord has already put in each and
every one of us.
S5 (34:25):
Yeah, it takes a little bit of courage at one point,
because we tend to want to sympathize with the person
we're talking to. Like, have you ever stolen something? I
have have you ever told lies? I've told lies. We
try and console them, but realize that God's a judge.
This is a criminal, and you want him to feel
conviction for his sins. When Nathan pointed at David, and
(34:47):
I presume he would have pointed him when he said,
you are the man, he didn't say, um, I wouldn't
get too upset because I've committed adultery too. I've lied
and stolen. I've coveted my neighbor's. No, he didn't sympathize
with him. He let him feel the weight of his
own guilt. And it's a hard thing to do. But
you've got to hands off and let that guilt do
(35:07):
its work and let it bring contrition. Because had David
been been consoled in a sense, and he may not
have seen how serious things were in the sight of God,
that's what caused him to say, I've sinned against heaven,
and that's why we've got Psalm 51. Have mercy upon me,
O God, according to your loving kindness, according to the
multitude of your tender mercies. Talked a little bit before
about trivializing sin, humanity, human nature tries to spread it
(35:31):
out as it the college this morning two in a
row did the same thing. Have you lied? Oh, yes.
Everybody lies. Have you ever stolen something? Yes. Everybody steals.
It was in the past and I asked you the
question in the past. I met you in the past.
Everything's in the past. Even what I said right now
is in the past. And being in the past doesn't
exonerate you of your crimes against God. And so it's
(35:53):
very important to bring it back to personal nature. You
are the man. This is what Paul did in Romans two.
You say you shall not commit adultery. Do you commit adultery?
You say, you shall not steal, do you steal? And
so it's very important to be bold, be courageous, and
trust God to bring conviction and let that conscience do
its God given duty.
S1 (36:14):
Yeah. Did you learn? Forgive me for the simplicity of
this question, but I really want to know. Was this
someone you studied to do this, or is this the
tutorial from the Holy Spirit in your life that this
is the right way to do this?
S5 (36:26):
Well, it was like I openly preached every day, almost
every day for about 12 years. And Speakers Corner in
the city of Christchurch, New Zealand, and I had an
opponent called the Wizard who came on the second lunch.
I was on the first. He was a godless man,
but we became friends, took him home for lunch or dinner,
and I cut my teeth on having hecklers every day.
(36:49):
They were waiting to have me for lunch. Another Christian
for lunch. And it really helped me. Plus, I've got
Ken Ham who insults me every day and keeps me
on my toes.
S1 (36:59):
There you go. Exactly right. We're going to take a break.
Come back. This hour is going far too quickly. But
I'm so glad that even if you miss this and
you can go to Turning Point USA, you'll be able
to find it there. Go to to to Ray's website.
There's a ton of information there, but I just want
you to listen with the ears on your heart to
how this takes place, this back and forth. So how
did that young man answer the question, would you be
(37:20):
innocent or guilty? Back after this? Ray Comfort is the
founder and CEO of Living Waters and the author of
(37:42):
multiple best selling books over a hundred, by the way,
he's also the man who's the creative thinker behind so
many of the movies that they put out. 180 evolution
versus God, audacity, the list goes on. And of course,
way of the master, which is seen in hundreds of
countries all around the globe. So Ray was invited by
Turning Point USA to participate in a campus event, this
(38:03):
time at Cal State Fullerton. Ray was there several members
of his team. It was a huge crowd, and it's
a wonderful opportunity for you and me, even if we
couldn't attend in person to learn this approach to sharing
the good news, to appeal, as Ray says, not to
the intellect, because therein lies conflict, but to the conscience,
the ally. I love that I'll never forget what you
(38:24):
just taught us, right? The ally that's already residing in
the heart of every one of us, which is a conscience.
And that conscience will prick us, and we'll understand that
we have fallen short. The Bible says all have sinned
and come short of the glory of God. There isn't one, no,
not one that's righteous. So the young man that got
to the microphone at this event was a young man,
winsome young fella, answering questions. And Ray did exactly what
(38:47):
he just taught us, appealed to the conscience, and ended
the dialogue by asking him, after pointing out that this
young man had broken several of the Ten Commandments, thereby
identifying the fact that he, like all of us, was
a sinner, that he had fallen short of God's standard
of righteousness. And so Ray Winsomely appealed to him and said,
so would you be innocent or would you be guilty?
(39:09):
I want to pick up the conversation at this point. Listen.
S5 (39:11):
Would you go to heaven or hell?
S7 (39:13):
Uh, you know, I've always tried to live truthfully, and you've.
S5 (39:17):
Always.
S7 (39:18):
Tried to live like I live every day. Like it
is my last.
S5 (39:22):
Not today. You're going to be right.
S7 (39:25):
Um. I try and be a good person. Everyone.
S5 (39:28):
Regardless of the question.
S7 (39:31):
Yeah.
S5 (39:31):
Will you be innocent or guilty on Judgement Day as
a lying, thieving, blasphemous, fornicating adulterer at heart?
S7 (39:37):
I'm guilty.
S5 (39:38):
Yeah, but you got a heaven or hell.
S7 (39:40):
I'd probably go to the h e double hockey sticks.
S5 (39:42):
Does that? Does that concern you? You might think it's funny,
but I don't.
S7 (39:46):
I'm horrified. I'm not.
S5 (39:47):
I've just met you, and I love you. I don't
want you to go to hell. It breaks my heart.
I'm serious. You may not see tears in my eyes,
but there's tears in my voice. If you die tonight
in your sleep. God will justly damn you in a
terrible place called hell. Jesus said, fear not. Who has
power to kill your body? And afterwards do no more.
But fear him who has power to kill your body
and destroy your soul in hell? Don't let that happen
(40:08):
to you. So does it concern you that you go
to hell today if you died?
S7 (40:13):
It does concern me.
S5 (40:14):
Okay, now, what did God do for guilty sinners like
you and me so we wouldn't have to go to hell?
S7 (40:19):
Yes. He died on the cross for our sins.
S5 (40:22):
Now, even the devil knows that. Most of America knows that.
But you've got to appreciate what he did. We broke
the law. Jesus paid the fine. Like I said to
the guy before, if you're in court and someone pays
your fine, a judge can legally let you walk free
and God can take death off you because of what
Jesus did on the cross paying the fine. For God
so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son,
(40:44):
that whoever believes in him should not perish but have
everlasting life. So if you'll repent, turn from sin. Trust
in Jesus right now. God will wash away your sins
and grant you everlasting life as a free gift. Oh,
because of his amazing grace. So, Alex. When are you
going to repent and put your trust in Jesus?
S7 (41:05):
Uh, as soon as I can today. Yes.
S5 (41:10):
Are you sorry for your sins?
S7 (41:11):
I'm sorry.
S5 (41:12):
Are you willing to repent and trust in Jesus?
S7 (41:14):
Yeah.
S5 (41:14):
Okay. Can we bow in prayer? I'll pray for you.
You don't need to pray. Okay. Father, I pray for
Alex that this day he'll truly see his sin. And
he may tremble at the thought of sinning against you.
And this day may catch a glimpse of your incredible
love you expressed, expressed through the cross today. May he
be born again, be given a new heart, new desires,
and a love of righteousness and the knowledge he has
(41:34):
everlasting life, all because of your amazing grace. In Jesus
name we pray. Amen. Amen.
S1 (41:41):
Mm. Ray, what's it like for you to hear that back?
S5 (41:45):
For I've heard it so many times. A one trick pony. Um,
but every day, um, there's going to be a shout
when Jesus comes. That's me saying yes. I'll never have
to ask anyone if they've lied anymore. Um, but yeah,
it's such a joy to hear someone who's genuinely repentant
(42:07):
and say, today, I want to get right with God.
There's more joy in heaven over one sinner who comes
to repentance than over 99 righteous persons, as Jesus said.
So it's just wonderful. And, uh, the wonderful thing is
this is going over the internet. Yes. And, uh, people
are hearing the gospel and being challenged. And the Apostle
Paul would be green with righteous envy. Yes. To know
(42:29):
that what we've got in this modern, technical, technological world
to be able to do this.
S1 (42:34):
Mhm. I've often said that I think Paul would have
an account somewhere on some social media platform, you would
take advantage of it. But to your point, the general
greater point on that is something seems to be happening.
I mean, he's not willing that any should perish, and
there is always that remnant, and there's always people who
are hungry. And there continues to be that God shaped
void in the heart of every man. But there's something different.
(42:56):
Right now, it seems, in the American culture. Give me
your take on that.
S5 (43:00):
Yeah. I think we're coming back to getting a little
taste of the fear of the Lord. And by the way,
if the Apostle Paul had a website, it'd be chief
of sinners.com. I'm sure.
S1 (43:11):
Yes, indeed, I concur. That's great.
S5 (43:14):
Yeah, that's what's been missing in America for so long.
A genuine fear of God. And and it's we've been
an idolatrous country where everybody from the president, right down
through the politicians, have got this belief in God and
appeal to God. And, you know, let's have a moment
of prayer and all this stuff. And the next minute
they blaspheme his name. And yet, over the last few weeks,
(43:37):
after what happened to Charlie Kirk, there's a sobriety. Come on,
people and people are talking about God that didn't normally
talk about God. And Jesus is being exalted. And like
that memorial service for Charlie, that was just awesome. I
was I just couldn't believe it. I thought, boy, it's
talking about Jesus again and again and exalting him and
even mentioning the cross and and the hope of the gospel.
(43:59):
So something stirring within this land and for which I
thank God.
S1 (44:03):
Yeah. Amen to that. Couldn't agree more. Ray, I didn't
get around to it because you have so many resources,
but I did put up on our website. Jesus amplified
the deeper meanings of the words of Jesus. It's a
daily devotional. You have a Bible verse, you have your
thoughts on the verse, and at the end you have
a short period of prayer. Tell me why you wrote
this book and why it would be an encouragement to
just about anybody.
S5 (44:23):
It goes back to the original words of Jesus. I
went back to the Amplified Bible. So when you read it,
read it a little louder.
S1 (44:31):
Get it amplified. That didn't slip past you, right? Oh, Ray,
you have so many resources. I can't tell you how
much I enjoy our conversations. I'm already looking forward to
the next one. And I'm. Here's my fervent prayer and
full transparency that people hear exactly what it sounds like
when you do what you've been doing for decades. And
thank you for your obedience to our King in doing that,
(44:53):
because you're not just telling people about Jesus, you're teaching
other brothers and sisters how to do this without blush
or embarrassment or hesitation. I wonder how many of our
brothers and sisters went, oh, I don't want to go
any place where you got a sniper on a roof.
I'm not even consider wearing a jacket. Yeah, well, we've
referenced the chief of sinners. Com wasn't he the one
that said to live is Christ? To die is gain.
(45:14):
I'd rather be with him. But for your sake, I'm
still here, you know. So it's appointed unto man once
to die. Ray knows that it isn't somebody else's idea.
He's already got that date booked. What Ray has done,
what we need to do is say yes, Lord, and
show up in obedience. Love you friend. See you next time.
Bye bye.
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