June 12, 2025 • 44 mins
Join us this hour as we talk with one of the most beloved professors at Moody Bible Institute. Dr. Michael Rydelnik will walk us through the headlines of the day dealing with the nation of Israel. Why is there mounting global pressure against Israel? And what is causing the unprecedented rise of modern anti-Semitism? Can there ever be a “2-state” solution? Don’t miss a minute of this fascinating conversation.
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Here are some of the news headlines we're watching.
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This time the conference was over. The president won a pledge.
S4 (01:57):
Americans worshipping government over God.
S5 (02:00):
Extremely rare safety move by a mage 17 years.
S4 (02:03):
The Palestinians and the Israelis negotiated a truce.
S5 (02:21):
Hi, friends.
S1 (02:21):
Welcome to In the Market with Janet Parshall. Thrilled. We're
going to spend the hour together. Oh, do you hear
that cacophony in the marketplace of ideas? Well, if you
walk around with me, and I hope you're out there.
And I hope you're doing just that, walking around, listening
with the ears on your heart to what the culture
is saying, you know that one of the most intense,
some would say argumentative topics today happens to be the
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nation of Israel. I just don't get it. But then again,
walking through life with the Bible in one hand and
newspaper in the other, I guess I do kind of
get it. So when you take a look at the
nation of Israel, this becomes a recognized globally state in 1948.
Now for us, as followers of Jesus Christ, walking through
life with that Bible in one hand and the newspaper
in the other, you realize that this is a fulfillment
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of prophecy. Finally, the Jewish people have a recognized homeland.
Now the Jews have been there for thousands and thousands
and thousands of years. How do I know? Well, when
all else fails, read the instructions. You have archaeological evidence.
You have historical evidence. You have biblical evidence. It's indisputable
that God's precious and chosen people have been there for millennia.
So why is it so contentious? Well, I my $0.02,
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and that's all it's worth. Maybe in this economy, maybe
a penny and a half. But I'll share it anyway.
I think it's because ultimately this is a spiritual battle
that because God has chosen the Jewish people, called them
the chosen people, loves them dearly. How do I know that?
Because he tells us that. And the word that somehow
in the heavenlies where we can't see this spiritual warfare
that's going on, it is a raging spiritual battle for
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us as believers. I believe it's because if Satan can
knock out the reality of a Jewish Messiah, Well, then
there is no hope of redemption. And in doing so,
one needs to wipe out the Jewish people. So history
is littered with attempts to wipe out the Jewish people,
whether it's Herod or whether it's Pharaoh or whether it's Hitler.
The list goes on and on and on and on.
Should not be surprised, but then stop. Hit the pause button.
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Did you ever stop and realize that our great and
glorious God could have chosen the Celts, the Picts, the Normans,
the Saxons? He didn't. He chose the Jewish people. I
don't know why. When we get to glory, we can
ask him. But I'm going to tell you what he's got.
I'm not. His thoughts are far above mine, and all
I know is that he chose them to fill fulfill
his plan, his great and perfect and wondrous plan. So
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we always keep our eyes on the nation of Israel
because it's significant historically, it's making headlines today. We need
to be praying today for the peace of Jerusalem, and
certainly will play a significant role in the days ahead.
So we're going to talk about Israel, and we're going
to separate fact from fiction and bigotry from reality. And
there's so much bigotry around the nation of Israel. Again,
should not be surprised. Now to help us learn more
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about this is Doctor Michael Radonich, who is vice president
and academic dean and professor of Jewish studies and Bible
at Moody Bible Institute. For more than three decades, he
was the program head of Jewish Studies, a unique 103
year old legacy major at WME. Thanks be to God.
May it ever be their superglued into the walls of
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that Augustus Institute. Besides Jewish studies, he has taught extensively
in other fields, including Bible theology, applied theology. He's a
graduate himself of Moody's Jewish Studies program, and has a
BA degree from Azusa Pacific University and a master's in
theology from Dallas Theological Seminary. His doctorate is from Trinity
Evangelical Divinity School, where his dissertation research. You know, I
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love to ask people about their dissertations when they got
their PhD, what did it do? Of course, no surprise.
It focused on the Messiah of the Hebrew Bible. He's
also the host and Bible teacher of Open Line with
Doctor Michael Riedel on hundreds of stations all across the country.
People love his program. And if you don't know, he
is indeed the son of Holocaust survivors. He was raised
in an observant Jewish household in Brooklyn, New York. As
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a high school student, he became a follower of Yeshua
the Messiah and began teaching the Bible almost immediately. Besides
his work on the Moody Bible Commentary, the best. If
you don't have one in your house, tell me why.
And The Moody Handbook of Messianic Prophecy as co-editor and contributor,
he's also the author of the 50 Most Important Bible Questions.
The messianic hope. Is the Hebrew Bible really messianic and
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understanding the Arab-Israeli conflict? He has contributed to various study Bibles,
academic journals, and other books, and I really put out
as a resource particularly germane to our conversation today, The
Moody Handbook of Messianic Prophecy Studies and expositions of the
Messiah in the Old Testament, not the New Testament. So
if I were a trial lawyer and doctor were my
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expert witness, I would have to say I just read
his credentials in front of the jury so they would
know this man knows whereof he speaks. Aside from that,
he's a really great guy. Michael, thank you so much
for spending the hour with me.
S6 (06:56):
Oh, thank you for having me. It's a little frightening
when you read all that. It's like, oh.
S1 (07:02):
Did you get tired?
S6 (07:04):
Well, I'm like, ooh, what did, uh, Howard Hendricks say? The, uh,
the the glorification of the worm is what you used
to call introductions like that, so.
S1 (07:16):
Oh my goodness. Well, if I say it, it's not
committing the sin of pride's. Right. So I'm saying it,
and I'm saying it proudly about my friend Doctor Michael. Oh, Michael,
there's so much you want to talk to you about.
And the thing I love about our regular visits is
I don't have to worry about what we call in
radio time stamping that talk about current events. And I
think in Israel, that's prescient. We need to be talking
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about current events. So let me just fast forward. Today
is Thursday. On Saturday you're going to see across the country,
probably close to 2000 1000 protests and rallies they are expecting.
In LA alone 250,000 people to attend, far more than
the 70,001st anticipated. They've got a map. The heiress of
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Walmart is very much behind this funding it. She put
out a full page ad in a major newspaper. You've
got a website where you can sign up, you can go,
you can protest. It happens on Flag Day, which is interesting.
Happens to be my grandfather's birthday, who came into this
country legally as an immigrant. So that has a particular
paradox for me. Happens to be the president's birthday as well,
happens to be the birthday of the U.S. Army. So
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here in my town of D.C., they're going to have
this huge parade honoring our military forces. And so the
protesters decided they'd kind of skipped DC that day, because
it just might be a little rough for them to
be there. But in the midst of all of this,
and of course, the legacy alphabet soup media will make
this the topic du jour, not just on Saturday, but
probably throughout the entire weekend. And I want my friends
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to picture this. So it isn't just going to be about, quote,
illegal immigration, because it's not now. It's a panoply of chaos.
You have BLM, Black Lives Matter, Antifa. You've got paid protesters.
Isn't it amazing? They all come with these professionally produced signs.
You think they did that in Bob's garage? So you
know that somebody is funding. We've already got photos of
people handing out masks in LA where they buy those
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at Walmart. Why would somebody come and hand out masks?
So one of the things I'm concerned about and I
want to ask you about this is why in so
many of these events, are they waving a Palestinian flag? Hello.
What does that have to do with allegedly what the
issue is, which is ice. Following up now and arresting
people who've entered this country illegally. Now, there's a subtext
to that. And I think thinking people want to know
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why do the protestors free, free, free Palestine that chant
from the river to the sea. Most of them can't
name the river. They don't know the sea. Why is
that folded into all of this? We got a lot
to unpack. And then one of the questions we're going
to tackle this hour is Israel has been accused of genocide.
Do the facts bear that out? Oh, yeah. And what
happens next week at the U.N.. Mhm. Got a lot
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to talk about. So fasten your seat belts. Keep your
hands inside the ride at all times. It's going to
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such a superb teacher. He is VP and academic, dean
and professor of Jewish studies and Bible at Moody Bible Institute,
a prolific author. And again, just to let you know,
I've chosen one as our resource. This time it's the
Moody Handbook of Messianic Prophecy, studies and These and expositions
of the Messiah in the Old Testament. So going right
back to the question I asked Michael just before the break,
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and this panoply of rebellion and lawlessness that we will
see this weekend and believers, this is where we need
to pray for people's safety, for their security, those who
are the law enforcement and people there that they won't
get hurt. Because this is why we want evidence for
the sin nature of man. I give you what we're
going to see this weekend. It's lawlessness and rebellion. Why
do cries to free Palestine show up in the midst
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of this, do you think, Michael?
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Well, I think it's the issue of intersectionality. That's why
we no longer have a protest about anything else. It's
a protest. It's an omni protest. You know, we are
going to protest everything about everything. And the intersectionality is
a term that maybe people don't understand. But for example,
if you're going to protest, uh, arresting illegal, uh, I
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don't know, immigrants, aliens, whatever the term du jour is,
if they're going to be arrested for illegally entering and
staying in our country, then we have to protest against
any kind of perceived oppression which would lead to other
groups coming in and protesting racial prejudice. And then on
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top of that, there's this image. And it's a false
one that somehow if we if we look at things
in terms of skin color, uh, the idea is white
people oppress, uh, dark skinned people. There's an arbitrary choice.
Because if you've been to Israel, I know you have Janet. Right?
S1 (12:22):
Several times. Right? As have you, my friend.
S6 (12:26):
Palestinians and Israelis look identical.
S1 (12:28):
That's exactly.
S6 (12:29):
Right. You know, but it's been determined that Israel now,
since about 1967, is the dark, is the white skinned,
therefore are the oppressors of the Palestinians, who are dark skinned,
although there really is no difference. And the result is
that they say, okay, we have to oppress protest, that protest.
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That's intersectionality. Everything is the same in terms of protest,
and they're all connected one to another. That's what intersectionality says.
And now, of course, the false lies that you mentioned,
the the falsehoods out there that Israel is committing genocide,
people are going out. They're going out righteously. If we're
going to protest for righteousness, we've got to stop a
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genocide that isn't even happening.
S1 (13:14):
Yeah. Let's first prove there's a genocide, and we're going
to get to that in a minute. But let me
go to what you said. I love your term. I
wrote it down. I'm going to steal it. Just giving
you fair notice. I love the Omni protest. It really is.
It's a mulligan stew of all of these people bound together.
And when you stop them and you would ask them individually,
I'm not sure they could give an apologetic for why
they're necessarily there. And that's sad. That's problematic.
S6 (13:36):
That's true.
S1 (13:37):
But let me talk about it is exactly part of
the problem.
S6 (13:41):
When they know what they're protesting, Janet, they don't know
what they're protesting. Exactly. A lot of surveys done of
people who are on the college campuses, people saying what
river and what see, what see, from the river to
the sea are the Nile River, the Euphrates River. They
didn't know they. So even those who protest a specific
cause don't even know that cause.
S1 (14:01):
Well, can I linger there for a minute? And then
I want to talk about what's happening in the United
Nations next week. You know, what breaks my heart is
that if you could just sit down graciously with these
folks and say, let's just walk this through, first of all,
Mark Twain, I say this often, but it's so true.
Travel is the best classroom. Go to Israel and your
eyes will be opened, and you'll never look at what
the headlines say again. In the same way I'm sitting
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in the Knesset, I'm watching an Arab representative in the
Knesset serving. There's no parallel in the Gaza or the
PLO territories by any stretch of the imagination. But more importantly,
when you realize that the PLO charter, which is this
hate filled document, calls for the annihilation of the Jews,
it Jews. It is, paradoxically, where the phrase from the
river to the sea comes from. And so whether it's
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the Wye Plantation or whether it's Oslo, or whether it's
a myriad of other photo ops that I have seen
come and go a thousand times in the Rose garden
where the president shakes head, you have an Israeli rep,
you have a Palestinian rep, Yasser Arafat, many times being
the center of those photographs agreements. Let's move forward. And
one of the demands in every one of those was
to take out the language that calls for the annihilation
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of the Jews. To this day, that language is still there.
So how can you, on the one side of your mouth,
protest what you believe is genocide and on the other hand,
exactly articulate the genocide of the very people you're accusing
of committing genocide. That's vacuous reasoning, it seems to me.
S6 (15:19):
That's the irony of this whole thing. Israel is so
clearly not desiring a genocide of the Palestinian people, and
at the same time, Hamas in its original charter is
declaring that that's exactly what they want. After 1007, the
attack on October 7th, which killed 12. They murdered 1200
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Jewish people, mostly civilians. They captured and and made hostage
of 251 Israelis and and also people from other countries
that were in Israel. They took these people and they said,
if you are defeated or if if you can, will
you do this again? I watched it on the news.
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The guy from the Hamas organization says we will do
it a second time and a third time and a
fourth time. We will never stop. And they are the
ones committed to genocide. It is the it's the inversion
of truth. In fact, that's what the whole term genocide is.
It's an inversion of what is actually happening.
S1 (16:18):
That's so well said. And there's just something about having
been the people who were the subject and the objects
and the victims of a real genocide. I think you're
going to be very, very careful when you make your
decisions as a sovereign nation not to ever step into
that territory, because you know what it means to lose
6 million plus of your own people, so it's ludicrous. Now,
having said that, let me fast forward to New York.
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And right now, I wouldn't give you a nickel for
the building that they're in. I think they're just taking
up space. So the UN has completely lost its way.
They're going to have a conference the 17th through the
20th next week in New York. It's co-chaired by Saudi
Arabia and France. And the original aim is the conference
was to obtain recognition of a Palestinian state from UN
member states. But then on June 7th, the Guardian very
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liberal publication coming out of the UK, reported that the
conference had weakened its ambition and would, quote instead hope
to agree on steps toward recognition. Now, let me leave
it there, because there's a lot in this will. At
once the story is over. The protest this weekend fade.
This will be one of the main drivers in the
news next week. So I want you to be forearmed
to know what they're going to talk about and separate
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again fact from fiction. Doctor Michael Riedel, our guest. I
hope you listen to his radio program on Saturday Open
Line with Doctor Michael Riedel. Fabulous. This is a man
who will give crystal clear answers right from the scriptures. Fascinating.
It's why so many people love the show. Let me
take a break. We're going to pick it up at
the UN conference right after this.
S5 (17:57):
For more than 30 years, Doctor Michael.
S1 (17:59):
Rudnick was program head of Jewish Studies, a very unique
and important 103 year old legacy major at at Moody
Bible Institute. I said w didn't I radio can't get
out of my head. MBI Moody Bible Institute. So let
me fast forward again back to what's going to happen
at the UN, because I read one source. Here's what
it said. It said the director of a UN affiliate
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advisory organization reveals the concluding document of the upcoming two
state conference, which is exactly what they're calling it, is
expected to include a commitment to, quote, an unconditional and
irreversible path toward a Palestinian state. According to her, this
is this. Uh, advisory person. Invitations were extended solely. I
know how this works in Washington solely to entities already
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aligned with the predetermined outcome. While a state can only
be established through a UN Security Council resolution, one that
could not pass due to a US veto. Lord, may
it always be so. There are still diplomatic implications. So
let me just walk this through a little bit, because
this is why I wouldn't give you two kopecks for
the United Nations. So they were the they affirmed the
existence of the the Jewish state in 1948. US was
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the first country after that to put their imprimatur of approval.
Now they're going to turn around because of this huge
Arab voting bloc, the inclusion of Russia and China in
the Security Council. How's that for an oxymoron? And the
fact that Saudi Arabia and France are going to be
running this. How do you determine. How do you make
a declaration of a state, Michael, when you can't even
tell me what the boundaries physically are of that nation?
S6 (19:27):
That's actually one of the requirements for a state is
to have boundaries, and people want to go back to
the 1947 partition plan or to the 1949 armistice between
Israel and those nations. Excuse me. Uh, anyway, the reason the, uh,
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there there was no there was no boundary set. The
armistice called for a boundary to be determined between Syria,
Israel and Egypt. But now they're not even part of
the discussion. It's crazy. There's never been a partition or
a boundary set. And that had to come with negotiations
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between Israel and the PLO. So that's that's what's so
surprising about this, is that they are what happened to
the Oslo Accords. That was what was called upon, that
they have to actually come to an agreement together. And
there's no boundaries. And I'll tell you what bothers me
the most about this. It's rewarding Hamas for ten seven. Yes, yes,
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that's the only way I can describe it. Uh, have
a terrorist attack, a massacre and a war that they
start and then say, you know what? We're going to
punish the person who was attacked, uh, or the nation
that was attacked. That doesn't that doesn't make any sense.
And and it rewards, uh, Hamas for what they have done.
And it seems to me only just this past week.
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Think about how long it took. It took Mahmoud Abbas,
the head of the Palestinian Authority, until this past week,
to actually condemn the Hamas attack. And it was only
because of this conference coming up that.
S1 (21:15):
He thought.
S6 (21:15):
Well, I better I better get on the other side
of this. So, yeah, exactly. There's no need to reward them.
And it just doesn't deal with with the the issue
of Israeli security. If you just declare a state. I mean, really, uh,
I actually was once at a forum between a professor
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from another school and me, and we were this is many,
about ten, 15 years ago, I guess. We were talking
about these issues. And when we talked about it, the
conclusion of one pastor, most of the pastors really saw
the need to stand with Israel. But one pastor said
the this is his evenhanded conclusion. Are you ready? This
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is the even handed way of thinking it. Palestinians have
a desperate need for freedom and independence, and Israel has
a toxic need for security. That's the way he described it.
I just couldn't believe it. Toxic. Uh, the idea of security.
I mean, obviously, ten, seven shows the need for security.
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And what this conference will do is ignore the need
for security.
S1 (22:24):
Well, and, Michael, this I'm sorry for the dear pastor
who was ignorant, and I use that word judiciously but graciously,
because all you have to do is study the history
of Israel. The ink wasn't dried on the declaration of
statehood for Israel, and she was under attack. And this
is that's why it's said of Israel. It's the only
nation on planet Earth that is built with the trowel,
the shovel in one hand and a rifle in the other.
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She's not the tiniest bit interested of constantly having Nehemiah's
on the wall, watching what's happening to try to protect her.
She wants to just be able to govern and have
an existence. And since its inception. And this is why
I made the statement earlier, that this has to be
spiritual because it doesn't make any sense. There's no other
country on planet Earth that we deal with, like we
deal with the nation of Israel. So that that was
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just I'm sorry, but it was ignorance, probably a lack
of experience or travel or knowledge or study. Here's the
other part of this. This and my heart breaks for
the Palestinian people I have never seen such abject poverty
is when I went into Gaza, I'll never forget. It's
indelibly burned into my heart and my mind. This poor
Palestinian woman living under a piece of cardboard pressed against
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a cedar block building, and that was her home. That
was the only shelter she had. I think our friends
need to understand there is no organized government. Fatah is
connected at the hip to Hamas. It's a terrorist organization.
They don't have free elections by any stretch of the imagination.
And you and I, Michael, are signed up to all
kinds of websites. Thank you, God, for the internet because
it gives us the rest of the story. So I've
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been watching Palestinians get beat up for trying to get
aid to their families. I've been watching Hamas steal the
aid trucks that come in so the Palestinian people can't
get it. You want more of this? This is what
you'll get with a two state solution, which is ridiculous.
So when we come back, let's go deeper into this
idea of genocide. And again, it'd be very easy for
people to say, and I ask you this question all
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the time, but I think it bears repeating, oh, there
are giants in the land. We're just grasshoppers. Give it up.
This is never, ever, ever going to be resolved. So
why doesn't Israel just say, uncle and we can bring
peace to the land? In fact, that raises an interesting question, Michael,
and I'll ask it and get the answer. On the
other side, if there were a two state solution, all
the myriad of details yet to be worked out. But
let's just say that standard is up there and we
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finally got it. Would that really protect the Palestinian people,
and what would it do to the people of Israel
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this was just posted like 20 minutes ago by Danny Danon,
who's Israel's ambassador to the United Nations. And just to
bring you news from New York, the UN General Assembly
has just passed a one sided resolution calling for an
immediate ceasefire in Gaza without any binding demand for the
release of our hostages and without condemning Hamas terrorism. This
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resolution lends legitimacy to terror and ignores the massacre, rape
and torture carried out by Hamas. It is a grave
abandonment of the hostages and a reward for terrorism. We
will continue to fight until every one of our hostages
returns home from day one October 7th, 2023. Bibi Netanyahu
said two things. Number one we eradicate totally Hamas. We
don't cut the head off. We take the roots out
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as well. Number two, every single hostage has to be returned,
dead or alive. And he's been resolute. He's never deviated
from either one of those things. So to have this
clarion call at the United Nations next week for this
declaration of a two state solution is just it's wildly inappropriate,
and you brilliantly identify that it is it's tacit approval
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to Hamas for what they've done. But I asked you before,
would it give more security to the Palestinian people? Would
it give security because you can't see what security for
Israeli citizens, but not Palestinians. So would both equally get
security if there was a two state solution and all
the details yet to be worked out, which of course
they can never be worked out. But would it be
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an improvement? And I don't think so. It's almost like
an acquiescence. If we throw a bone into this situation,
somehow it's going to placate for a while. But, you know,
it's like that famous line of Churchill, you can't negotiate
with a tiger when your head is in the tiger's mouth.
When you have peace talks, the talks. The presupposition is
both parties want peace. Yasser Arafat walked away multiple times
from a proposal for a two state solution and rejected
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it every single time. They don't want peace. They want
annihilation of the Jews.
S6 (27:32):
Mahmoud Abbas walked away from a peace proposal and never
even gave a response with the previous prime minister. So, uh,
it's not only Arafat, it's there's a fear that, uh,
of groups like Hamas that they would murder just as
Anwar Sadat was murdered by the Muslim Brotherhood, uh, when
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he made peace with Israel. So I think that there
is something going on there with that. I do think
that the greatest security for the Palestinians would be to
get rid of Hamas. Yes. At least in Gaza, uh,
a lot of people think that Israel is fighting in
Gaza purely for the security of Israelis. They if they
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could defeat Hamas, who is it that embeds among civilians?
Who is it that makes sure that as many civilians
as possible should be killed? Uh, that's that's the problem.
So for security for Palestinians, it will only come when
Hamas is defeated. And I also think the PA has
to be the Palestinian Authority would need to be dramatically,
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dramatically changed for them to have any security for Palestinians.
My neighbor, Palestinian, said to me once he was a
Christian Arab. He talked about how oppressed the Christian Arabs
of Bethlehem were by the Palestinian Authority. I said, well,
why is it that whenever I read the reports, people
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are blaming Israel and not the Palestinian Authority? And he
leaned in, took me by the arm very close, and
he says, oh, my brother, oh, my brother. If we
said that, if we said it was the Palestinian Authority,
they'd kill our family. And so particularly for Christian Palestinians,
which is only about 5% of the Palestinian population, they
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would still find greater security with a different kind of
leadership than what they have there.
S1 (29:24):
Exactly. And yet that leadership just cannot be toppled. And
it's just amazing to me. So let me just go
broader for a minute. If you really wanted a two
state solution and you were being historically and geographically accurate,
Jordan would be the second state. It's 85% Palestinian, 15%
Hashemite minority. They don't want it. Egypt puts a fence
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up a wall of separation between Gaza. And they don't
want the Palestinians in Egypt. So tell me again why
Israel is the bad guy on this. When Jordan says,
no way, and Egypt says, not under any circumstances. So
if the neighbors don't want the Palestinians, then the problem
is not it's the leadership in the PEO. It's the PA,
it's it's I just don't understand why they can't topple,
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but they can't.
S6 (30:08):
So, you know, the British Mandate people have no historical record. However,
I you know, I've done a little reading on this history.
S1 (30:16):
He says, tongue in cheek.
S6 (30:18):
When the when the British received the mandate to create
a Jewish state in what was then called Palestine, which
was a region in the Middle East. Uh, they they said, okay,
you know, we're going to have trouble. So very early on,
the Colonial Secretary said, we need to have a state
for the Arabs as well. And so they took everything
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east of the Jordan River and declared it to be
a new country called Transjordan, which is today Jordan. That
was designed to be the Arab state of Palestine. And
so I think there was a two state solution. And
that was, by the way, Winston Churchill, who decided that
that was Winston Churchill's decision about 105 years ago. Uh,
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and so it seems to me that there is a
second state. And I think that that would be probably
the best to take that. The West Bank enclave where
there are west of the Jordan, where there are significant
there's a significant Palestinian Arab population and link it together
that at least have give them citizenship in the Jordanian state.
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So they would be a people with a state, they
could vote in Jordan, and they could have an economic
tie economic commitment to Jordan. That would be a way
of working out. It would be creative, but it wouldn't
be something that would be hurtful to Palestinians and it
would give them independence. And I think that that would
be the the best way of going. But but right now,
that doesn't look like anyone's really thinking about that. Seriously.
S1 (31:53):
And I think one of the reasons that there's a
failure to see serious thinking in this is because the
mask is off. The unbridled hatred toward the Jewish people
is the driver vis a vis the terrorist organization. You know,
it's interesting because, again, when you go to the checkpoints,
Palestinians can come in and go into Israel all the time.
They go back and forth through checkpoints. They don't go
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through checkpoints because not everybody is happy to go in
and do their shopping and get their business done in Israel.
Some of them come with munitions strapped on them, you know.
In fact, the poor mothers of Gaza are told that
their son is a hero. If he blows himself up
and then she's given a bag of candy and spreads
it around to the neighborhood when the son is committed
suicide vis a vis an explosive vest. It's it's a
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demonic enslavement of people through an evil ideology. So unless
they topple this regime, unless Hamas is replaced with some
sort of self-governance, some robust conversations about really animus aside.
But the animus is so palpable. And that takes me
to the genocide question. We hear this all the time
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from people who really are just proving that they're ignorant.
You know, better to keep your mouth closed than to
open it and prove yourself a fool. There is no
evidence whatsoever to genocide, but we hear this all the time.
What do we say when people say to us, well,
don't you know that Israel is committing genocide against the
Palestinian people.
S6 (33:12):
Well, I think that first of all, I just say
there is no genocide. And I think I shared with
you an email I got, I received. Yes. Open line. Uh, saying,
how can you say that there are 54,000 dead. Now,
I think that's so interesting. People receive news media, news
agencies repeat that number 54,000 dead. And they do it consistently.
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But they don't distinguish. First of all, they don't say
this is the numbers from the Gaza Health Ministry, which
is controlled by Hamas. And we can't trust a word
they say. Also, if we were to accept the count
of 54,000, let's say it's right, which I don't really
believe it is. Here's what we know about that count
24,000 at least, were Hamas combatants. They were actually fighting.
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So that reduces the number dramatically from 54,000 to 30,000.
Just recently it came out that about 8000 people died
of natural causes, nothing related to the war, and they
were added to that 54,000 figure. So that reduces the
number to 22,000. And then when you consider that Hamas
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started the war, Hamas embeds among civilian population. They built
tunnels under hospitals in under mosques, under schools. They consider
every civilian casualty a victory. They think we win the
war of media, the public relations war for every civilian
that's killed. And then you balance that on the other
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side with Israel trying to create safety zones with Israel
dropping leaflets, Israel letting people know by phone, calling people
and saying, this building is going to be destroyed because
it's being used by Hamas. You have to get everyone out.
They do this and they've given up the strategic advantage
to do that in war. Usually don't tell people where
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you're coming. You know where you're going to attack us.
But they do that to preserve the lives of civilians.
The ratio of civilian combatants civilian to combatant deaths is
about 1 to 1 in this war among Palestinians, and
that sounds terrible. That 50%, or just around 1 to
1 are civilian. But if you compare that, for example,
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to the United States, when we fought in Iraq or
against al Qaeda, we had about a 1 to 6
civilian for to combat six civilians to every one combatant.
John Spencer, who teaches urban warfare at the kind of
a prestigious school, West Point. Yes.
S1 (35:48):
Exactly.
S6 (35:49):
John Spencer says that there has never been a military
with as low a combatant to civilian, civilian to combatant
ratio as Israel has in this war. It's just remarkable.
And so what is the point of this? I call
it Holocaust inversion. Version. What they are doing is they're
taking the people who are subject to genocide and accusing
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them because of anti-Semitic reasons, of committing a holocaust of
their own, committing genocide. That's all it is. It's just
hatred of the Jewish people.
S1 (36:20):
And I'm not being cavalier with the term. I think
I'm being theologically spot on. That is demonic. On no questions. Michael,
I was just thinking when you were talking how right
John Adams was when he said, facts are stubborn things.
The bias leaning talking heads don't want us to know
the information you just shared. Be a good Berean. Check
your sources. Test all things back after this. How many
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times have this program do we say? Always keep your
eye on the nation of Israel. There isn't a day
that goes by that that small nation about the size
of new Jersey doesn't make headlines globally. And please be
in prayer for what's going to happen at the United
Nations next week. Again, it's going to be fomented by
ignorance and blind hatred of the Jewish people. That's all
that it is. And again, if you understand why the
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word holds the Jewish people in such high esteem, none
of this can come as a surprise. And then pray
for the Palestinians, the innocent people, by the way, who
are being used as chess pawns in this demonic warfare.
Michael said something. I want to pull out an underscore
because it's true. When you're a terrorist organization, you don't
care about the people you have power over, even though
it's self granted self acquired power. You're not asking. You
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didn't get this as a public servant. You became in
as a dictator, as an overlord for people. So you
put your own people in harm's way. Why would you
purposely have them go after a hospital where you know
innocent lives are going to be hit because you've got
munitions buried under the hospital? Why do you run tower
tunnels rather under the home of a Palestinian widow, so
that the military and Hamas can work its way underground
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without you knowing about it. So these are things that
you don't have a point of reference for. So when
you hear these stories, it's easy for this to be
such an out of control bias. So the only way
you're going to get clarity on this situation is through
the lens of Scripture. Just keep reading and reading and
reading how precious the Jewish people are to God, and
that he is not willing that any should perish, and
that there is a kind of spiritual blindness that's going
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on in that part of the world. So let me
bring this closer to home, because, Michael, I have to
tell you, I was I was stunned when the two
young people were killed outside of the museum in Washington, D.C.,
one of them a messianic believer, by the way, and
we know that he had just purchased an engagement ring.
He was going back to Israel the following week. He
was going to propose to his girlfriend, who also lost
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her life. And that didn't happen. Somehow the issue of
antisemitism is not just in the streets of Paris. And
it's not just protests going on globally. It's now in
our backyard. And when you start looking at some of
the other horrific things that are happening, this boulder attack
that took place as well. It isn't an over there problem,
it's here problem. And so given our understanding of the
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basic sin nature of man, as is told to us
in the scriptures, you wonder if you can't exercise self control.
If you even if you have strong feelings against a
particular people group for whatever reasons, but you don't have
the control to not do something about it, then what happens?
And what I'm witnessing now? This reminds me of Germany
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in the 1930s. You're way beyond Uden, outside the storefront.
You're now shooting people when they come out of museums
in the nation's capital. How does this get stopped other
than the intervening power of the Lord?
S6 (39:44):
Well, I think that one of the things that we
need to do is have Gentile Christians take a stand.
I think that this is something that's so important that
the churches in every community take a stand and say,
we will not tolerate. We will stand with the Jewish community.
We're not going to just stand next to you. We'll
stand in front of you. Uh, I, I think that
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that's imperative. And I don't hear it coming from many churches.
There's a few that have taken a stand like that,
but it's imperative to do that. They they have to
take a stand. And here's the issue. I find a
lot of people are saying, well, what Israel is doing
with Gaza is somehow causing the anti-Semitism here. I don't
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believe that. I think the objection to Israel and what
Israel is doing that that failure to recognize Israel being
attacked and needing to do this, no one wants to
be at war this long. No one in Israel would
like to be at war, but they have to do
this for their own protection. The government is given the
power of the sword to protect the innocent, to punish
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the wicked, that they don't want to do this. That's
Romans 13 four, by the way. Uh, but what drives
the opposition to Israel in the first place is anti-Semitism.
We often talk about double standards when it comes to Israel.
I don't even think there's double standards. I think there's
the Israel standard. Every nation in the world would be
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understood for going to war like this. But the anti
Semitism against Israel, because it's the Jewish state, that's what
drives the opposition and that's why it spreads here. Uh,
in Washington DC, in Saint Louis, in Pittsburgh, in uh, Boulder, Colorado.
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Why is it doing it? Because of that same anti-Semitism.
It's not what Israel does that causes it. It's the
hatred for Israel that drives it. It's the same thing. Yeah.
In other words, are people opposed to Israel because of anti-Semitism,
or is anti-Semitism increasing because of Israel? No, it's driven
because of anti-Semitism. That's what opposes Israel. That's what's happening
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here in the States.
S1 (41:51):
Exactly, exactly. So I give you Columbia University. So you've
got a bunch of Jewish students on campus that suddenly
become the enemy. They can't wear their Star of David.
They can't wear their kippah. They can't make any outside
acknowledgment of who they are because now they fear for
their own safety. Wait a minute. They were taking econ
class together four weeks ago. Why suddenly is the one
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an enemy? Where does that help me understand the human condition?
Where does that come from? Where before were students together
studying for our midterm? And now all of a sudden,
you're the enemy. And I'm not going to allow you
to go to class.
S6 (42:23):
I think, first of all, opposition to the God of Israel,
hatred of the God of Israel. Psalm 83 says, only
when people hate the God of Israel do they hate
the people of Israel. That it's really an expression of
the hatred of God. That's clearly what Psalm 83 says.
So I think we have to be alert to that.
And then when I look at revelation 12 and the attack,
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the symbolic woman that represents Israel and the attack against
her is by Satan, the devil, the serpent of old,
it's that's who is identifying as the one that attacks Israel.
I think you're right when you said this is satanic,
I think people have a delusion that the enemy gives them,
that makes them think that Israel, instead of being the victim,
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is the oppressor. And I think it's a spiritual warfare,
and it's why I think that believers need to be
the most outspoken in standing with Israel against this demonic
delusion that people have fallen prey to.
S1 (43:20):
You just anticipated my question, and so I want to
extrapolate the two things you said out that we absolutely
can do. And by the way, I'm going to listen
to the minority spy report, okay. I'm going to listen
to Caleb and Joshua. This is a winnable battle because
greater is he that is in us than he that's
in the world. If this is, and I do believe
it is spiritual warfare, then you have to understand that
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the prince of this world absolutely wants to annihilate the
Jewish people, literally and figuratively, because in so doing, he
thinks he eradicates a Jewish Messiah. So, number one, Michael
challenged every one of us as Gentile Christians to speak
up for the nation of Israel. You do your homework,
you stay grounded in the word and you speak up.
Do not let an anti-Semitic statement slip by and think
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that somehow that person's given grace. I would gently, lovingly,
always through grace narrative, but nonetheless, it has to be
nipped in the bud. And you can do that when
you're standing in the authority of God's Word in a
winsome way. Number two, we're going to pray without ceasing.
And I think we need to do that on a
regular basis. Pastors, a challenge to you. What are you
teaching on the nation of Israel? From the pulpit. You're
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the shepherd. Help the sheep understand this. Take a bold
stand in support of the nation of Israel, built on
what biblical truth is, not because it's a political statement. Michael.
Anything else we should add to that list besides getting
studied up? Speak up and pray up.
S6 (44:37):
I always think that not only pray for the peace
of Jerusalem, I'm praying that peace will come through surrender
of Hamas, but also pray for the protection of Israel.
Right now, it's a very dangerous time and they're preparing
for an onslaught from Iran. So keep praying.
S1 (44:51):
Amen. Thanks, friends. We'll see you next time.
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Here are some of the news headlines we're watching.
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This time the conference was over. The president won a pledge.
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Americans worshipping government over God.
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Extremely rare safety move by a mage 17 years.
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The Palestinians and the Israelis negotiated a truce.
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Hi, friends.
S1 (02:21):
Welcome to In the Market with Janet Parshall. Thrilled. We're
going to spend the hour together. Oh, do you hear
that cacophony in the marketplace of ideas? Well, if you
walk around with me, and I hope you're out there.
And I hope you're doing just that, walking around, listening
with the ears on your heart to what the culture
is saying, you know that one of the most intense,
some would say argumentative topics today happens to be the
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nation of Israel. I just don't get it. But then again,
walking through life with the Bible in one hand and
newspaper in the other, I guess I do kind of
get it. So when you take a look at the
nation of Israel, this becomes a recognized globally state in 1948.
Now for us, as followers of Jesus Christ, walking through
life with that Bible in one hand and the newspaper
in the other, you realize that this is a fulfillment
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of prophecy. Finally, the Jewish people have a recognized homeland.
Now the Jews have been there for thousands and thousands
and thousands of years. How do I know? Well, when
all else fails, read the instructions. You have archaeological evidence.
You have historical evidence. You have biblical evidence. It's indisputable
that God's precious and chosen people have been there for millennia.
So why is it so contentious? Well, I my $0.02,
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and that's all it's worth. Maybe in this economy, maybe
a penny and a half. But I'll share it anyway.
I think it's because ultimately this is a spiritual battle
that because God has chosen the Jewish people, called them
the chosen people, loves them dearly. How do I know that?
Because he tells us that. And the word that somehow
in the heavenlies where we can't see this spiritual warfare
that's going on, it is a raging spiritual battle for
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us as believers. I believe it's because if Satan can
knock out the reality of a Jewish Messiah, Well, then
there is no hope of redemption. And in doing so,
one needs to wipe out the Jewish people. So history
is littered with attempts to wipe out the Jewish people,
whether it's Herod or whether it's Pharaoh or whether it's Hitler.
The list goes on and on and on and on.
Should not be surprised, but then stop. Hit the pause button.
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Did you ever stop and realize that our great and
glorious God could have chosen the Celts, the Picts, the Normans,
the Saxons? He didn't. He chose the Jewish people. I
don't know why. When we get to glory, we can
ask him. But I'm going to tell you what he's got.
I'm not. His thoughts are far above mine, and all
I know is that he chose them to fill fulfill
his plan, his great and perfect and wondrous plan. So
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we always keep our eyes on the nation of Israel
because it's significant historically, it's making headlines today. We need
to be praying today for the peace of Jerusalem, and
certainly will play a significant role in the days ahead.
So we're going to talk about Israel, and we're going
to separate fact from fiction and bigotry from reality. And
there's so much bigotry around the nation of Israel. Again,
should not be surprised. Now to help us learn more
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about this is Doctor Michael Radonich, who is vice president
and academic dean and professor of Jewish studies and Bible
at Moody Bible Institute. For more than three decades, he
was the program head of Jewish Studies, a unique 103
year old legacy major at WME. Thanks be to God.
May it ever be their superglued into the walls of
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that Augustus Institute. Besides Jewish studies, he has taught extensively
in other fields, including Bible theology, applied theology. He's a
graduate himself of Moody's Jewish Studies program, and has a
BA degree from Azusa Pacific University and a master's in
theology from Dallas Theological Seminary. His doctorate is from Trinity
Evangelical Divinity School, where his dissertation research. You know, I
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love to ask people about their dissertations when they got
their PhD, what did it do? Of course, no surprise.
It focused on the Messiah of the Hebrew Bible. He's
also the host and Bible teacher of Open Line with
Doctor Michael Riedel on hundreds of stations all across the country.
People love his program. And if you don't know, he
is indeed the son of Holocaust survivors. He was raised
in an observant Jewish household in Brooklyn, New York. As
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a high school student, he became a follower of Yeshua
the Messiah and began teaching the Bible almost immediately. Besides
his work on the Moody Bible Commentary, the best. If
you don't have one in your house, tell me why.
And The Moody Handbook of Messianic Prophecy as co-editor and contributor,
he's also the author of the 50 Most Important Bible Questions.
The messianic hope. Is the Hebrew Bible really messianic and
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understanding the Arab-Israeli conflict? He has contributed to various study Bibles,
academic journals, and other books, and I really put out
as a resource particularly germane to our conversation today, The
Moody Handbook of Messianic Prophecy Studies and expositions of the
Messiah in the Old Testament, not the New Testament. So
if I were a trial lawyer and doctor were my
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expert witness, I would have to say I just read
his credentials in front of the jury so they would
know this man knows whereof he speaks. Aside from that,
he's a really great guy. Michael, thank you so much
for spending the hour with me.
S6 (06:56):
Oh, thank you for having me. It's a little frightening
when you read all that. It's like, oh.
S1 (07:02):
Did you get tired?
S6 (07:04):
Well, I'm like, ooh, what did, uh, Howard Hendricks say? The, uh,
the the glorification of the worm is what you used
to call introductions like that, so.
S1 (07:16):
Oh my goodness. Well, if I say it, it's not
committing the sin of pride's. Right. So I'm saying it,
and I'm saying it proudly about my friend Doctor Michael. Oh, Michael,
there's so much you want to talk to you about.
And the thing I love about our regular visits is
I don't have to worry about what we call in
radio time stamping that talk about current events. And I
think in Israel, that's prescient. We need to be talking
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about current events. So let me just fast forward. Today
is Thursday. On Saturday you're going to see across the country,
probably close to 2000 1000 protests and rallies they are expecting.
In LA alone 250,000 people to attend, far more than
the 70,001st anticipated. They've got a map. The heiress of
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Walmart is very much behind this funding it. She put
out a full page ad in a major newspaper. You've
got a website where you can sign up, you can go,
you can protest. It happens on Flag Day, which is interesting.
Happens to be my grandfather's birthday, who came into this
country legally as an immigrant. So that has a particular
paradox for me. Happens to be the president's birthday as well,
happens to be the birthday of the U.S. Army. So
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here in my town of D.C., they're going to have
this huge parade honoring our military forces. And so the
protesters decided they'd kind of skipped DC that day, because
it just might be a little rough for them to
be there. But in the midst of all of this,
and of course, the legacy alphabet soup media will make
this the topic du jour, not just on Saturday, but
probably throughout the entire weekend. And I want my friends
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to picture this. So it isn't just going to be about, quote,
illegal immigration, because it's not now. It's a panoply of chaos.
You have BLM, Black Lives Matter, Antifa. You've got paid protesters.
Isn't it amazing? They all come with these professionally produced signs.
You think they did that in Bob's garage? So you
know that somebody is funding. We've already got photos of
people handing out masks in LA where they buy those
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at Walmart. Why would somebody come and hand out masks?
So one of the things I'm concerned about and I
want to ask you about this is why in so
many of these events, are they waving a Palestinian flag? Hello.
What does that have to do with allegedly what the
issue is, which is ice. Following up now and arresting
people who've entered this country illegally. Now, there's a subtext
to that. And I think thinking people want to know
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why do the protestors free, free, free Palestine that chant
from the river to the sea. Most of them can't
name the river. They don't know the sea. Why is
that folded into all of this? We got a lot
to unpack. And then one of the questions we're going
to tackle this hour is Israel has been accused of genocide.
Do the facts bear that out? Oh, yeah. And what
happens next week at the U.N.. Mhm. Got a lot
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to talk about. So fasten your seat belts. Keep your
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back to the question I asked Michael just before the break,
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and this panoply of rebellion and lawlessness that we will
see this weekend and believers, this is where we need
to pray for people's safety, for their security, those who
are the law enforcement and people there that they won't
get hurt. Because this is why we want evidence for
the sin nature of man. I give you what we're
going to see this weekend. It's lawlessness and rebellion. Why
do cries to free Palestine show up in the midst
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of this, do you think, Michael?
S6 (11:14):
Well, I think it's the issue of intersectionality. That's why
we no longer have a protest about anything else. It's
a protest. It's an omni protest. You know, we are
going to protest everything about everything. And the intersectionality is
a term that maybe people don't understand. But for example,
if you're going to protest, uh, arresting illegal, uh, I
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don't know, immigrants, aliens, whatever the term du jour is,
if they're going to be arrested for illegally entering and
staying in our country, then we have to protest against
any kind of perceived oppression which would lead to other
groups coming in and protesting racial prejudice. And then on
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top of that, there's this image. And it's a false
one that somehow if we if we look at things
in terms of skin color, uh, the idea is white
people oppress, uh, dark skinned people. There's an arbitrary choice.
Because if you've been to Israel, I know you have Janet. Right?
S1 (12:22):
Several times. Right? As have you, my friend.
S6 (12:26):
Palestinians and Israelis look identical.
S1 (12:28):
That's exactly.
S6 (12:29):
Right. You know, but it's been determined that Israel now,
since about 1967, is the dark, is the white skinned,
therefore are the oppressors of the Palestinians, who are dark skinned,
although there really is no difference. And the result is
that they say, okay, we have to oppress protest, that protest.
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That's intersectionality. Everything is the same in terms of protest,
and they're all connected one to another. That's what intersectionality says.
And now, of course, the false lies that you mentioned,
the the falsehoods out there that Israel is committing genocide,
people are going out. They're going out righteously. If we're
going to protest for righteousness, we've got to stop a
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genocide that isn't even happening.
S1 (13:14):
Yeah. Let's first prove there's a genocide, and we're going
to get to that in a minute. But let me
go to what you said. I love your term. I
wrote it down. I'm going to steal it. Just giving
you fair notice. I love the Omni protest. It really is.
It's a mulligan stew of all of these people bound together.
And when you stop them and you would ask them individually,
I'm not sure they could give an apologetic for why
they're necessarily there. And that's sad. That's problematic.
S6 (13:36):
That's true.
S1 (13:37):
But let me talk about it is exactly part of
the problem.
S6 (13:41):
When they know what they're protesting, Janet, they don't know
what they're protesting. Exactly. A lot of surveys done of
people who are on the college campuses, people saying what
river and what see, what see, from the river to
the sea are the Nile River, the Euphrates River. They
didn't know they. So even those who protest a specific
cause don't even know that cause.
S1 (14:01):
Well, can I linger there for a minute? And then
I want to talk about what's happening in the United
Nations next week. You know, what breaks my heart is
that if you could just sit down graciously with these
folks and say, let's just walk this through, first of all,
Mark Twain, I say this often, but it's so true.
Travel is the best classroom. Go to Israel and your
eyes will be opened, and you'll never look at what
the headlines say again. In the same way I'm sitting
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in the Knesset, I'm watching an Arab representative in the
Knesset serving. There's no parallel in the Gaza or the
PLO territories by any stretch of the imagination. But more importantly,
when you realize that the PLO charter, which is this
hate filled document, calls for the annihilation of the Jews,
it Jews. It is, paradoxically, where the phrase from the
river to the sea comes from. And so whether it's
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the Wye Plantation or whether it's Oslo, or whether it's
a myriad of other photo ops that I have seen
come and go a thousand times in the Rose garden
where the president shakes head, you have an Israeli rep,
you have a Palestinian rep, Yasser Arafat, many times being
the center of those photographs agreements. Let's move forward. And
one of the demands in every one of those was
to take out the language that calls for the annihilation
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of the Jews. To this day, that language is still there.
So how can you, on the one side of your mouth,
protest what you believe is genocide and on the other hand,
exactly articulate the genocide of the very people you're accusing
of committing genocide. That's vacuous reasoning, it seems to me.
S6 (15:19):
That's the irony of this whole thing. Israel is so
clearly not desiring a genocide of the Palestinian people, and
at the same time, Hamas in its original charter is
declaring that that's exactly what they want. After 1007, the
attack on October 7th, which killed 12. They murdered 1200
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Jewish people, mostly civilians. They captured and and made hostage
of 251 Israelis and and also people from other countries
that were in Israel. They took these people and they said,
if you are defeated or if if you can, will
you do this again? I watched it on the news.
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The guy from the Hamas organization says we will do
it a second time and a third time and a
fourth time. We will never stop. And they are the
ones committed to genocide. It is the it's the inversion
of truth. In fact, that's what the whole term genocide is.
It's an inversion of what is actually happening.
S1 (16:18):
That's so well said. And there's just something about having
been the people who were the subject and the objects
and the victims of a real genocide. I think you're
going to be very, very careful when you make your
decisions as a sovereign nation not to ever step into
that territory, because you know what it means to lose
6 million plus of your own people, so it's ludicrous. Now,
having said that, let me fast forward to New York.
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And right now, I wouldn't give you a nickel for
the building that they're in. I think they're just taking
up space. So the UN has completely lost its way.
They're going to have a conference the 17th through the
20th next week in New York. It's co-chaired by Saudi
Arabia and France. And the original aim is the conference
was to obtain recognition of a Palestinian state from UN
member states. But then on June 7th, the Guardian very
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liberal publication coming out of the UK, reported that the
conference had weakened its ambition and would, quote instead hope
to agree on steps toward recognition. Now, let me leave
it there, because there's a lot in this will. At
once the story is over. The protest this weekend fade.
This will be one of the main drivers in the
news next week. So I want you to be forearmed
to know what they're going to talk about and separate
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again fact from fiction. Doctor Michael Riedel, our guest. I
hope you listen to his radio program on Saturday Open
Line with Doctor Michael Riedel. Fabulous. This is a man
who will give crystal clear answers right from the scriptures. Fascinating.
It's why so many people love the show. Let me
take a break. We're going to pick it up at
the UN conference right after this.
S5 (17:57):
For more than 30 years, Doctor Michael.
S1 (17:59):
Rudnick was program head of Jewish Studies, a very unique
and important 103 year old legacy major at at Moody
Bible Institute. I said w didn't I radio can't get
out of my head. MBI Moody Bible Institute. So let
me fast forward again back to what's going to happen
at the UN, because I read one source. Here's what
it said. It said the director of a UN affiliate
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advisory organization reveals the concluding document of the upcoming two
state conference, which is exactly what they're calling it, is
expected to include a commitment to, quote, an unconditional and
irreversible path toward a Palestinian state. According to her, this
is this. Uh, advisory person. Invitations were extended solely. I
know how this works in Washington solely to entities already
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aligned with the predetermined outcome. While a state can only
be established through a UN Security Council resolution, one that
could not pass due to a US veto. Lord, may
it always be so. There are still diplomatic implications. So
let me just walk this through a little bit, because
this is why I wouldn't give you two kopecks for
the United Nations. So they were the they affirmed the
existence of the the Jewish state in 1948. US was
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the first country after that to put their imprimatur of approval.
Now they're going to turn around because of this huge
Arab voting bloc, the inclusion of Russia and China in
the Security Council. How's that for an oxymoron? And the
fact that Saudi Arabia and France are going to be
running this. How do you determine. How do you make
a declaration of a state, Michael, when you can't even
tell me what the boundaries physically are of that nation?
S6 (19:27):
That's actually one of the requirements for a state is
to have boundaries, and people want to go back to
the 1947 partition plan or to the 1949 armistice between
Israel and those nations. Excuse me. Uh, anyway, the reason the, uh,
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there there was no there was no boundary set. The
armistice called for a boundary to be determined between Syria,
Israel and Egypt. But now they're not even part of
the discussion. It's crazy. There's never been a partition or
a boundary set. And that had to come with negotiations
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between Israel and the PLO. So that's that's what's so
surprising about this, is that they are what happened to
the Oslo Accords. That was what was called upon, that
they have to actually come to an agreement together. And
there's no boundaries. And I'll tell you what bothers me
the most about this. It's rewarding Hamas for ten seven. Yes, yes,
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that's the only way I can describe it. Uh, have
a terrorist attack, a massacre and a war that they
start and then say, you know what? We're going to
punish the person who was attacked, uh, or the nation
that was attacked. That doesn't that doesn't make any sense.
And and it rewards, uh, Hamas for what they have done.
And it seems to me only just this past week.
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Think about how long it took. It took Mahmoud Abbas,
the head of the Palestinian Authority, until this past week,
to actually condemn the Hamas attack. And it was only
because of this conference coming up that.
S1 (21:15):
He thought.
S6 (21:15):
Well, I better I better get on the other side
of this. So, yeah, exactly. There's no need to reward them.
And it just doesn't deal with with the the issue
of Israeli security. If you just declare a state. I mean, really, uh,
I actually was once at a forum between a professor
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from another school and me, and we were this is many,
about ten, 15 years ago, I guess. We were talking
about these issues. And when we talked about it, the
conclusion of one pastor, most of the pastors really saw
the need to stand with Israel. But one pastor said
the this is his evenhanded conclusion. Are you ready? This
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is the even handed way of thinking it. Palestinians have
a desperate need for freedom and independence, and Israel has
a toxic need for security. That's the way he described it.
I just couldn't believe it. Toxic. Uh, the idea of security.
I mean, obviously, ten, seven shows the need for security.
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And what this conference will do is ignore the need
for security.
S1 (22:24):
Well, and, Michael, this I'm sorry for the dear pastor
who was ignorant, and I use that word judiciously but graciously,
because all you have to do is study the history
of Israel. The ink wasn't dried on the declaration of
statehood for Israel, and she was under attack. And this
is that's why it's said of Israel. It's the only
nation on planet Earth that is built with the trowel,
the shovel in one hand and a rifle in the other.
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She's not the tiniest bit interested of constantly having Nehemiah's
on the wall, watching what's happening to try to protect her.
She wants to just be able to govern and have
an existence. And since its inception. And this is why
I made the statement earlier, that this has to be
spiritual because it doesn't make any sense. There's no other
country on planet Earth that we deal with, like we
deal with the nation of Israel. So that that was
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just I'm sorry, but it was ignorance, probably a lack
of experience or travel or knowledge or study. Here's the
other part of this. This and my heart breaks for
the Palestinian people I have never seen such abject poverty
is when I went into Gaza, I'll never forget. It's
indelibly burned into my heart and my mind. This poor
Palestinian woman living under a piece of cardboard pressed against
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a cedar block building, and that was her home. That
was the only shelter she had. I think our friends
need to understand there is no organized government. Fatah is
connected at the hip to Hamas. It's a terrorist organization.
They don't have free elections by any stretch of the imagination.
And you and I, Michael, are signed up to all
kinds of websites. Thank you, God, for the internet because
it gives us the rest of the story. So I've
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been watching Palestinians get beat up for trying to get
aid to their families. I've been watching Hamas steal the
aid trucks that come in so the Palestinian people can't
get it. You want more of this? This is what
you'll get with a two state solution, which is ridiculous.
So when we come back, let's go deeper into this
idea of genocide. And again, it'd be very easy for
people to say, and I ask you this question all
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the time, but I think it bears repeating, oh, there
are giants in the land. We're just grasshoppers. Give it up.
This is never, ever, ever going to be resolved. So
why doesn't Israel just say, uncle and we can bring
peace to the land? In fact, that raises an interesting question, Michael,
and I'll ask it and get the answer. On the
other side, if there were a two state solution, all
the myriad of details yet to be worked out. But
let's just say that standard is up there and we
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finally got it. Would that really protect the Palestinian people,
and what would it do to the people of Israel
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is nationally syndicated and airs on the weekend. Michael, literally,
this was just posted like 20 minutes ago by Danny Danon,
who's Israel's ambassador to the United Nations. And just to
bring you news from New York, the UN General Assembly
has just passed a one sided resolution calling for an
immediate ceasefire in Gaza without any binding demand for the
release of our hostages and without condemning Hamas terrorism. This
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resolution lends legitimacy to terror and ignores the massacre, rape
and torture carried out by Hamas. It is a grave
abandonment of the hostages and a reward for terrorism. We
will continue to fight until every one of our hostages
returns home from day one October 7th, 2023. Bibi Netanyahu
said two things. Number one we eradicate totally Hamas. We
don't cut the head off. We take the roots out
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as well. Number two, every single hostage has to be returned,
dead or alive. And he's been resolute. He's never deviated
from either one of those things. So to have this
clarion call at the United Nations next week for this
declaration of a two state solution is just it's wildly inappropriate,
and you brilliantly identify that it is it's tacit approval
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to Hamas for what they've done. But I asked you before,
would it give more security to the Palestinian people? Would
it give security because you can't see what security for
Israeli citizens, but not Palestinians. So would both equally get
security if there was a two state solution and all
the details yet to be worked out, which of course
they can never be worked out. But would it be
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an improvement? And I don't think so. It's almost like
an acquiescence. If we throw a bone into this situation,
somehow it's going to placate for a while. But, you know,
it's like that famous line of Churchill, you can't negotiate
with a tiger when your head is in the tiger's mouth.
When you have peace talks, the talks. The presupposition is
both parties want peace. Yasser Arafat walked away multiple times
from a proposal for a two state solution and rejected
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it every single time. They don't want peace. They want
annihilation of the Jews.
S6 (27:32):
Mahmoud Abbas walked away from a peace proposal and never
even gave a response with the previous prime minister. So, uh,
it's not only Arafat, it's there's a fear that, uh,
of groups like Hamas that they would murder just as
Anwar Sadat was murdered by the Muslim Brotherhood, uh, when
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he made peace with Israel. So I think that there
is something going on there with that. I do think
that the greatest security for the Palestinians would be to
get rid of Hamas. Yes. At least in Gaza, uh,
a lot of people think that Israel is fighting in
Gaza purely for the security of Israelis. They if they
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could defeat Hamas, who is it that embeds among civilians?
Who is it that makes sure that as many civilians
as possible should be killed? Uh, that's that's the problem.
So for security for Palestinians, it will only come when
Hamas is defeated. And I also think the PA has
to be the Palestinian Authority would need to be dramatically,
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dramatically changed for them to have any security for Palestinians.
My neighbor, Palestinian, said to me once he was a
Christian Arab. He talked about how oppressed the Christian Arabs
of Bethlehem were by the Palestinian Authority. I said, well,
why is it that whenever I read the reports, people
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are blaming Israel and not the Palestinian Authority? And he
leaned in, took me by the arm very close, and
he says, oh, my brother, oh, my brother. If we
said that, if we said it was the Palestinian Authority,
they'd kill our family. And so particularly for Christian Palestinians,
which is only about 5% of the Palestinian population, they
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would still find greater security with a different kind of
leadership than what they have there.
S1 (29:24):
Exactly. And yet that leadership just cannot be toppled. And
it's just amazing to me. So let me just go
broader for a minute. If you really wanted a two
state solution and you were being historically and geographically accurate,
Jordan would be the second state. It's 85% Palestinian, 15%
Hashemite minority. They don't want it. Egypt puts a fence
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up a wall of separation between Gaza. And they don't
want the Palestinians in Egypt. So tell me again why
Israel is the bad guy on this. When Jordan says,
no way, and Egypt says, not under any circumstances. So
if the neighbors don't want the Palestinians, then the problem
is not it's the leadership in the PEO. It's the PA,
it's it's I just don't understand why they can't topple,
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but they can't.
S6 (30:08):
So, you know, the British Mandate people have no historical record. However,
I you know, I've done a little reading on this history.
S1 (30:16):
He says, tongue in cheek.
S6 (30:18):
When the when the British received the mandate to create
a Jewish state in what was then called Palestine, which
was a region in the Middle East. Uh, they they said, okay,
you know, we're going to have trouble. So very early on,
the Colonial Secretary said, we need to have a state
for the Arabs as well. And so they took everything
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east of the Jordan River and declared it to be
a new country called Transjordan, which is today Jordan. That
was designed to be the Arab state of Palestine. And
so I think there was a two state solution. And
that was, by the way, Winston Churchill, who decided that
that was Winston Churchill's decision about 105 years ago. Uh,
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and so it seems to me that there is a
second state. And I think that that would be probably
the best to take that. The West Bank enclave where
there are west of the Jordan, where there are significant
there's a significant Palestinian Arab population and link it together
that at least have give them citizenship in the Jordanian state.
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So they would be a people with a state, they
could vote in Jordan, and they could have an economic
tie economic commitment to Jordan. That would be a way
of working out. It would be creative, but it wouldn't
be something that would be hurtful to Palestinians and it
would give them independence. And I think that that would
be the the best way of going. But but right now,
that doesn't look like anyone's really thinking about that. Seriously.
S1 (31:53):
And I think one of the reasons that there's a
failure to see serious thinking in this is because the
mask is off. The unbridled hatred toward the Jewish people
is the driver vis a vis the terrorist organization. You know,
it's interesting because, again, when you go to the checkpoints,
Palestinians can come in and go into Israel all the time.
They go back and forth through checkpoints. They don't go
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through checkpoints because not everybody is happy to go in
and do their shopping and get their business done in Israel.
Some of them come with munitions strapped on them, you know.
In fact, the poor mothers of Gaza are told that
their son is a hero. If he blows himself up
and then she's given a bag of candy and spreads
it around to the neighborhood when the son is committed
suicide vis a vis an explosive vest. It's it's a
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demonic enslavement of people through an evil ideology. So unless
they topple this regime, unless Hamas is replaced with some
sort of self-governance, some robust conversations about really animus aside.
But the animus is so palpable. And that takes me
to the genocide question. We hear this all the time
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from people who really are just proving that they're ignorant.
You know, better to keep your mouth closed than to
open it and prove yourself a fool. There is no
evidence whatsoever to genocide, but we hear this all the time.
What do we say when people say to us, well,
don't you know that Israel is committing genocide against the
Palestinian people.
S6 (33:12):
Well, I think that first of all, I just say
there is no genocide. And I think I shared with
you an email I got, I received. Yes. Open line. Uh, saying,
how can you say that there are 54,000 dead. Now,
I think that's so interesting. People receive news media, news
agencies repeat that number 54,000 dead. And they do it consistently.
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But they don't distinguish. First of all, they don't say
this is the numbers from the Gaza Health Ministry, which
is controlled by Hamas. And we can't trust a word
they say. Also, if we were to accept the count
of 54,000, let's say it's right, which I don't really
believe it is. Here's what we know about that count
24,000 at least, were Hamas combatants. They were actually fighting.
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So that reduces the number dramatically from 54,000 to 30,000.
Just recently it came out that about 8000 people died
of natural causes, nothing related to the war, and they
were added to that 54,000 figure. So that reduces the
number to 22,000. And then when you consider that Hamas
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started the war, Hamas embeds among civilian population. They built
tunnels under hospitals in under mosques, under schools. They consider
every civilian casualty a victory. They think we win the
war of media, the public relations war for every civilian
that's killed. And then you balance that on the other
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side with Israel trying to create safety zones with Israel
dropping leaflets, Israel letting people know by phone, calling people
and saying, this building is going to be destroyed because
it's being used by Hamas. You have to get everyone out.
They do this and they've given up the strategic advantage
to do that in war. Usually don't tell people where
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you're coming. You know where you're going to attack us.
But they do that to preserve the lives of civilians.
The ratio of civilian combatants civilian to combatant deaths is
about 1 to 1 in this war among Palestinians, and
that sounds terrible. That 50%, or just around 1 to
1 are civilian. But if you compare that, for example,
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to the United States, when we fought in Iraq or
against al Qaeda, we had about a 1 to 6
civilian for to combat six civilians to every one combatant.
John Spencer, who teaches urban warfare at the kind of
a prestigious school, West Point. Yes.
S1 (35:48):
Exactly.
S6 (35:49):
John Spencer says that there has never been a military
with as low a combatant to civilian, civilian to combatant
ratio as Israel has in this war. It's just remarkable.
And so what is the point of this? I call
it Holocaust inversion. Version. What they are doing is they're
taking the people who are subject to genocide and accusing
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them because of anti-Semitic reasons, of committing a holocaust of
their own, committing genocide. That's all it is. It's just
hatred of the Jewish people.
S1 (36:20):
And I'm not being cavalier with the term. I think
I'm being theologically spot on. That is demonic. On no questions. Michael,
I was just thinking when you were talking how right
John Adams was when he said, facts are stubborn things.
The bias leaning talking heads don't want us to know
the information you just shared. Be a good Berean. Check
your sources. Test all things back after this. How many
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times have this program do we say? Always keep your
eye on the nation of Israel. There isn't a day
that goes by that that small nation about the size
of new Jersey doesn't make headlines globally. And please be
in prayer for what's going to happen at the United
Nations next week. Again, it's going to be fomented by
ignorance and blind hatred of the Jewish people. That's all
that it is. And again, if you understand why the
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word holds the Jewish people in such high esteem, none
of this can come as a surprise. And then pray
for the Palestinians, the innocent people, by the way, who
are being used as chess pawns in this demonic warfare.
Michael said something. I want to pull out an underscore
because it's true. When you're a terrorist organization, you don't
care about the people you have power over, even though
it's self granted self acquired power. You're not asking. You
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didn't get this as a public servant. You became in
as a dictator, as an overlord for people. So you
put your own people in harm's way. Why would you
purposely have them go after a hospital where you know
innocent lives are going to be hit because you've got
munitions buried under the hospital? Why do you run tower
tunnels rather under the home of a Palestinian widow, so
that the military and Hamas can work its way underground
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without you knowing about it. So these are things that
you don't have a point of reference for. So when
you hear these stories, it's easy for this to be
such an out of control bias. So the only way
you're going to get clarity on this situation is through
the lens of Scripture. Just keep reading and reading and
reading how precious the Jewish people are to God, and
that he is not willing that any should perish, and
that there is a kind of spiritual blindness that's going
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on in that part of the world. So let me
bring this closer to home, because, Michael, I have to
tell you, I was I was stunned when the two
young people were killed outside of the museum in Washington, D.C.,
one of them a messianic believer, by the way, and
we know that he had just purchased an engagement ring.
He was going back to Israel the following week. He
was going to propose to his girlfriend, who also lost
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her life. And that didn't happen. Somehow the issue of
antisemitism is not just in the streets of Paris. And
it's not just protests going on globally. It's now in
our backyard. And when you start looking at some of
the other horrific things that are happening, this boulder attack
that took place as well. It isn't an over there problem,
it's here problem. And so given our understanding of the
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basic sin nature of man, as is told to us
in the scriptures, you wonder if you can't exercise self control.
If you even if you have strong feelings against a
particular people group for whatever reasons, but you don't have
the control to not do something about it, then what happens?
And what I'm witnessing now? This reminds me of Germany
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in the 1930s. You're way beyond Uden, outside the storefront.
You're now shooting people when they come out of museums
in the nation's capital. How does this get stopped other
than the intervening power of the Lord?
S6 (39:44):
Well, I think that one of the things that we
need to do is have Gentile Christians take a stand.
I think that this is something that's so important that
the churches in every community take a stand and say,
we will not tolerate. We will stand with the Jewish community.
We're not going to just stand next to you. We'll
stand in front of you. Uh, I, I think that
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that's imperative. And I don't hear it coming from many churches.
There's a few that have taken a stand like that,
but it's imperative to do that. They they have to
take a stand. And here's the issue. I find a
lot of people are saying, well, what Israel is doing
with Gaza is somehow causing the anti-Semitism here. I don't
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believe that. I think the objection to Israel and what
Israel is doing that that failure to recognize Israel being
attacked and needing to do this, no one wants to
be at war this long. No one in Israel would
like to be at war, but they have to do
this for their own protection. The government is given the
power of the sword to protect the innocent, to punish
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the wicked, that they don't want to do this. That's
Romans 13 four, by the way. Uh, but what drives
the opposition to Israel in the first place is anti-Semitism.
We often talk about double standards when it comes to Israel.
I don't even think there's double standards. I think there's
the Israel standard. Every nation in the world would be
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understood for going to war like this. But the anti
Semitism against Israel, because it's the Jewish state, that's what
drives the opposition and that's why it spreads here. Uh,
in Washington DC, in Saint Louis, in Pittsburgh, in uh, Boulder, Colorado.
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Why is it doing it? Because of that same anti-Semitism.
It's not what Israel does that causes it. It's the
hatred for Israel that drives it. It's the same thing. Yeah.
In other words, are people opposed to Israel because of anti-Semitism,
or is anti-Semitism increasing because of Israel? No, it's driven
because of anti-Semitism. That's what opposes Israel. That's what's happening
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here in the States.
S1 (41:51):
Exactly, exactly. So I give you Columbia University. So you've
got a bunch of Jewish students on campus that suddenly
become the enemy. They can't wear their Star of David.
They can't wear their kippah. They can't make any outside
acknowledgment of who they are because now they fear for
their own safety. Wait a minute. They were taking econ
class together four weeks ago. Why suddenly is the one
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an enemy? Where does that help me understand the human condition?
Where does that come from? Where before were students together
studying for our midterm? And now all of a sudden,
you're the enemy. And I'm not going to allow you
to go to class.
S6 (42:23):
I think, first of all, opposition to the God of Israel,
hatred of the God of Israel. Psalm 83 says, only
when people hate the God of Israel do they hate
the people of Israel. That it's really an expression of
the hatred of God. That's clearly what Psalm 83 says.
So I think we have to be alert to that.
And then when I look at revelation 12 and the attack,
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the symbolic woman that represents Israel and the attack against
her is by Satan, the devil, the serpent of old,
it's that's who is identifying as the one that attacks Israel.
I think you're right when you said this is satanic,
I think people have a delusion that the enemy gives them,
that makes them think that Israel, instead of being the victim,
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is the oppressor. And I think it's a spiritual warfare,
and it's why I think that believers need to be
the most outspoken in standing with Israel against this demonic
delusion that people have fallen prey to.
S1 (43:20):
You just anticipated my question, and so I want to
extrapolate the two things you said out that we absolutely
can do. And by the way, I'm going to listen
to the minority spy report, okay. I'm going to listen
to Caleb and Joshua. This is a winnable battle because
greater is he that is in us than he that's
in the world. If this is, and I do believe
it is spiritual warfare, then you have to understand that
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the prince of this world absolutely wants to annihilate the
Jewish people, literally and figuratively, because in so doing, he
thinks he eradicates a Jewish Messiah. So, number one, Michael
challenged every one of us as Gentile Christians to speak
up for the nation of Israel. You do your homework,
you stay grounded in the word and you speak up.
Do not let an anti-Semitic statement slip by and think
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that somehow that person's given grace. I would gently, lovingly,
always through grace narrative, but nonetheless, it has to be
nipped in the bud. And you can do that when
you're standing in the authority of God's Word in a
winsome way. Number two, we're going to pray without ceasing.
And I think we need to do that on a
regular basis. Pastors, a challenge to you. What are you
teaching on the nation of Israel? From the pulpit. You're
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the shepherd. Help the sheep understand this. Take a bold
stand in support of the nation of Israel, built on
what biblical truth is, not because it's a political statement. Michael.
Anything else we should add to that list besides getting
studied up? Speak up and pray up.
S6 (44:37):
I always think that not only pray for the peace
of Jerusalem, I'm praying that peace will come through surrender
of Hamas, but also pray for the protection of Israel.
Right now, it's a very dangerous time and they're preparing
for an onslaught from Iran. So keep praying.
S1 (44:51):
Amen. Thanks, friends. We'll see you next time.
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