October 6, 2025 • 45 mins
Dr. Michael Rydelnik has recently returned from another tour of Israel. where he had the opportunity to hear what everyday Israelis are thinking, as we approach the 2-year anniversary of the slaughter that took place at the Nova music festival. The President has just unveiled a 20-point peace plan that requires the return of all hostages and moves to establish a system of self-governance for Gazans. Will this happen? Join us to hear keen insights from a man who knows Israel and who knows the Word of God.
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S2 (02:19):
Here are some of the news headlines we're watching.
S3 (02:21):
The conference was over. The president won a pledge.
S4 (02:23):
Americans worshiping government over God.
S5 (02:25):
Extremely rare safety move by a.
S4 (02:28):
17 years the Palestinians and Israelis negotiated.
S6 (02:48):
Two years ago, I was at Kafr Azza. I'm back
here again. Two years later. It's almost as ugly today
as it was two years ago, when there was still
blood streaming from every wall and in every house in
this wonderful little kibbutz that once housed a thousand people. Now,
virtually no one lives here because they can't. What happened
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on October the 7th was a cruel, vicious, blood curdling
atrocity in which children, young families were viciously massacred, mutilated
and humiliated by the acts of the savages of Hamas.
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They not only carried out some of the most evil
acts of human history, but they did it with a
level of glee and pride that is unimaginable, actually wearing
cameras on their helmets so they could capture the slaughter
of human beings. Many of them children, elderly people, defenseless people,
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and being very satisfied with their behavior. It's why the
president has said time and again, Hamas can't stay. And
it's why when I come back two years later, it's
still a very, very ugly reminder of what happened on
October the 7th.
S1 (04:15):
And that's what we're going to focus in on this hour.
Welcome to In the Market with Janet Parshall. That is
US ambassador Mike Huckabee. He represents the United States in Israel.
Thanks be to God. What a perfect appointment. And Ambassador
Huckabee is spot on when he talks about Assad being
just like it was two years ago. You know, for
so many people who don't even understand that day, you
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think it was just an attack on a music festival.
That was one site, certainly. But if you were to
take out your Bible and you were to draw a
line along the border, the entire border of Gaza, and
where it buttresses up against Israel, every single point along
that border, there were terrorist attacks. Well planned. They came
in by water. They flew in by air. They disguised
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themselves as policemen and IDF officers. They came in and
killed civilians. This was not a war where it was
soldiers and soldiers. This was civilians. Now, again, we're looking
to see what will happen. Negotiators from Israel and Hamas
are in Cairo today, working through President Trump's 20 point
plan that will supposedly end the war in Gaza and
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free the hostages. The administration says that momentum is building
despite some major hurdles. Over the weekend, Secretary of State
Marco Rubio said that he's hopeful that hostages may soon
be coming home. Now, I will point out that the
deadline was six. Last night has not happened yet. And yet,
Marco Rubio said, I think we're the closest we have
been in a very long time to having no hostages
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held by Hamas, either living or deceased. The second part
of this, and it's going to be the much tougher
part of this, is what happens after that. Who's going
to run Gaza moving forward? It can't be Hamas. It
can't be a terrorist organization. So what comes after the
hostage release is one of the several core issues on
the table in Cairo. Israel says the talks cannot drag on.
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An Israeli spokesperson just said over the weekend, now, the
Prime Minister has made it clear that in an agreement
with the Trump administration, talks will be confined to a
few days maximum, with no tolerance for maneuvers that will
delay talks by Hamas. The spokesperson went on to say
Israel is standing by the 72 hour deadline. From the
moment all details are solidified with Hamas, and will be
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ready to receive all our hostages. To note, Hamas says
it may need time to collect the 48 hostages, only
20 of whom are still believed to be alive. Other
ones have either been released or they are dead. Remember,
all hostages, dead or alive, must be returned. And you'll
remember that Netanyahu since October 7th, 2023. Two points. And
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he's never deviated from either one. Number one, every single
hostage must be returned. Has not happened to this moment.
Number two, Hamas must be rooted out in its entirety.
This terrorist organization can no longer can no longer be
allowed to exist. Roll up your sleeves. We're going to
be thinking critically and biblically about the nation of Israel,
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and I can't think of a better person to speak
with than Doctor Michael Rudnick, professor emeritus of Jewish studies
and Bible at Moody Bible Institute. He is also the
host and the Bible teacher on Open Line with Doctor
Michael Rudnick. Michael, The Warmest of Welcomes, My Heart's Kind
of Heavy. I watched a very powerful documentary over the
weekend called October 7th, bearing witness to a massacre. It
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was profound. It was impactful. It was not for the
faint of heart. But it goes exactly what to Ambassador
Huckabee said. Why would a terrorist come in with a
GoPro camera strapped to his chest so that he could
videotape people? I saw someone whose head was taken off
with a garden hoe in the process of this documentary
as well, I mean it. I looked at Craig as
we watched this and we said, this is the working
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definition of demonic behavior. It goes even if you were
a subscriber to the UN, of which I am not.
If you simply looked at what you're supposed to do
in terms of what is deemed to be a just war,
what is deemed to be human rights that you have
to value even in the fog of war. None of
that was attributed to. And yet we had people over
the weekend marching in the streets of Amsterdam as an example,
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a quarter of a million people shouting the Free Palestine,
the same town where Anne Frank was hidden in an attic.
There were a quarter of a million people talking free Palestine.
These are very challenging times. Give me your thoughts today.
S7 (08:20):
Oh, yeah. Well, the very first thing I would wonder
about is that the very people who've been calling for
a cease fire now, cease fire now, where are they?
Why are they not demanding the cease fire now? And
it's because they were saying they wanted a cease fire.
As long as Hamas could stay in power, they were
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supporting Hamas and Opposed to Israel. So now there is
a cease fire available. This war could end today. Just
Hamas has to give up the hostages. They have to
give up authority and power in Gaza. And it's all
there on the table. And the very same people that
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are protesting against Israel. Why are they not shouting cease
fire now to Hamas? It just shows that they're they're
real attitude was not for a cease fire, but hatred
of Israel.
S8 (09:13):
Couldn't agree more. I was thinking about. Yeah.
S1 (09:15):
Couldn't agree more. And the other thing too is that I.
There's a I'm not the tiniest bit surprised by the
way that the hostages as of this minute have not
been released. I've been poring over this 20 point plan,
and Scripture tells us blessed are the peacemakers. And so
I always say, it's wonderful that you're trying. But I
thought you just. With all due respect, Mr. President, you
don't know Gazans, you don't know Hamas, you don't know
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the Middle East. This is not going to happen. I
don't think he'd get one of the 20 points. But
the one first One non-negotiable is the hostages have to
be returned. And even that point hasn't been met yet.
I'm glad that I have you, Michael, for the whole hour,
because I have a ton of things to talk to
you about. Israel was all over the news this weekend.
It's of course in the news again today. And again,
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the shocking observation for me in the in this grandstands
is just watching this unmitigated rise in anti-Semitism, which if
you go through life with the Bible in one hand
and the newspaper in the other, cannot be qualified as
anything but spiritual warfare, demonic warfare. More with Doctor Michael
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Doctor Michael Redlich, professor emeritus of Jewish Studies and Bible
at Moody Bible Institute, also the host of Open Line
with Doctor Michael Rudnick, which is heard on the weekends
over hundreds of stations all across the country. And there
is so much to talk about. So let me go back,
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if I can, for a minute to this idea of
the 20 point plan, which I think is problematic in
and of itself, of this 20 point plan, which the
president laid out, it says that the hostages have to
be released within 72 hours and fighting, exchange prisoners, demilitarized Gaza.
It's wonderful. Arab nations are saying great. In fact, if
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you go to the white House right now, the president
has posted on the white House information page, Global support.
This is the words out of the statement global support
for President Trump, bold vision for peace in Gaza. And
he has quotes here from the joint foreign ministers of Qatar, Jordan,
the United Arab Emirates, Indonesia, Pakistan, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Egypt.
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So the world is watching and the world at least appears,
according to this posting, to be very much in favor
of what's going to happen. The problem once again, Hamas,
they say, not so fast. They want to negotiate. They
really think that they're not in favor of all the
20 points. They really want leverage. And the leverage, of course,
is the hostages. Michael, we need to point out and
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I think our friends need to understand that, that Israel
and I take umbrage with Israel on this, that for
the hostages, which were people whose universal human rights were
violated by taking them hostage by a terrorist organization, that
somehow there's a trade here that we're going to give
back terrorists, people who are on death row in Israel
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and give them back to Hamas. So the hostages come back,
dead or alive. And in exchange, Israel has to give
them back terrorists. Something's wrong with this picture. This is leverage,
is it not? In fact, the day of October 7th,
according to the documentary I was watching over the weekend,
it was purposeful and not just outright slaughter, which they
did pell mell, but specifically hand choosing hostages where they
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would use them specifically as chess pieces going forward.
S7 (12:55):
Yes, that's exactly it. It was there was greater the slaughter, actually.
They thought, oh, this is available. So that's why they
did it. Their major intent was to take the hostages.
That was what they wanted to do. And and here's
I know I do understand there's no death row in Israel,
but there are people with life sentences who have blood
on their hands that they that Hamas would like to
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have released. And that's part of this. The question people
keep asking me is, why would Israel do this? Why?
I mean, they gave up Yahya Sinwar for Gilad Shalit
all those years ago. And that's look what happened here. Uh,
there's several reasons. One is Israel's humanity. That's why they
treated Yahya Sinwar for a brain tumor. Most people aren't
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aware of that. They saved his life. And then he
went back in a hostage trade and they gave up
a thousand people. Terrorists for one Israeli soldier, Gilad Shalit. Uh,
that's that's what happened. And I was very upset about
that at the time. And my son, who was serving
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in the Israel Defense Forces at the time, said, well,
they won't ever take me alive, dad, so you don't
have to worry. Oh, great. And then he said, uh,
but it's nice to know that my government will redeem
me if, if needed. And here's the reason. In Jewish culture,
if you look at, uh, the Mishnah, the Gemara, the
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rabbinic literature, the highest, second, highest value there is besides
preserving life is redeeming hostages.
S8 (14:31):
Mhm.
S7 (14:32):
Uh, this has been something that has gone down throughout
Jewish history where, uh, people who hate Jewish people will
take Jewish people as hostages and that there was a commitment.
We're talking thousands of years now of the Jewish people
to redeem those who have been of our people, who
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have been taken. And so it's it's embedded deeply in
Jewish life. And that's why Israel is willing to do this. Uh,
it's not something that that just happened recently, or they're
thinking about this. It's because of this deeply ingrained Jewish
attitude about redeeming hostages to to do all we can
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to get even those who are not living back. And
and so that's why it's happening. In case you're wondering,
it's it's part of Jewish culture, uh, and Jewish history
and Jewish values. So, uh, that's what that's about. But Hamas,
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this is what I think is so important about the
20 points. Hamas announced that they accepted them. Yes. And
then there was that very small fine print.
S1 (15:43):
But but.
S7 (15:45):
Uh, and and that's the thing that I think President
Trump is trying to. How do I put this? Uh,
he's a deal maker. So instead of saying, oh, they
let's read the fine print. What he is saying is, okay,
we've got this far. They said a yes. Now let's
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deal with the but. Uh, and so he's trying to be, uh,
to make a deal and and maybe this will work. Uh,
although I have to say, as as much as I
respect the desire to make the deal, uh, President Trump
is not used to dealing with Hamas. He's dealing with.
He's not dealing with some Manhattan developer. You know that
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he wants to buy property from. So there, the fine
print matters and we'll see what happens.
S1 (16:36):
Yeah, that's an excellent point. And again, I think, in fact,
when he spoke yesterday at Norfolk at America's largest, uh,
Navy yard and the 250th anniversary of the Navy, he
talked about the fact that peace has been brought around
in seven nations and were just on the cusp, he
said of number eight. But I won't talk about that
right now. We'll wait and see. And of course, he
was alluding to the 20 point plan. I mean, when
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you look at the 20 point plan, knowing who Hamas is,
I mean, this is a I'm going to say it again.
And being repetitive is important, I think, because it really
drives home the point, but it's the only descriptive word
I can think. It is a demonic organization. So point
number six is once all hostages are returned, Hamas members
who commit to peaceful coexistence and to the decommissioning of
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their weapons will be given amnesty. Members of Hamas who
wish to leave Gaza will be provided safe passage to
receiving countries. Well, this is a person who doesn't understand
that Hamas believes that if you're shaheed, if you're a martyr,
that's the highest homage that can be paid to you.
Mothers in Gaza will hand out candy when their sons
have given their lives by wearing an explosive vest, so
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they're not going to decommission their weapons, and they're not
going to leave Hamas. They're not going to do so
without understanding that if they do so, their families are
at risk because one of their own walked away. So
much to talk about with Doctor Michael Riordan. Let me
take a break and come right back. We bring this
to you simply because this is a matter of prayer
that God watches over Israel. He doesn't slumber. He doesn't sleep.
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This is very much in the center of his plan
for what will happen in the future. We need to
be praying for these mortal leaders who need wisdom right now.
Back after this.
S9 (18:26):
It can't partially accept it. It has to accept to
accept it in full. And especially the first part that
has to get underway. That's what moves everything towards a
resolution of the conflict. Uh, if they do, if we
actually set up a civilian administration in Gaza that doesn't, uh,
educate its children to, uh, hate Israel, to try to
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destroy Israel, to kill Jews everywhere, uh, in other words,
to de-radicalize Gaza, not only to demilitarize it, not only
to disarm Hamas, but to de-radicalize Gaza, as was done
in Germany after World War two, or in in Japan then? Yes. Uh,
then I think the whole region can have a much
more positive and peaceful future. And by the way, I
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think that if that happens, I think we'll have many
more peace deals, uh, of the kind that I broke,
that I had done with President Trump and Arab leaders
in the Abraham Accords, we can expand the Abraham Peace
Accords to include other countries in the Middle East and
Muslim countries beyond the Middle East.
S1 (19:30):
Benjamin Netanyahu over the weekend speaking on European television regarding
the 20 point plan and of course, the point he's
making and he's spot on, is that if the hostages
aren't returned, the 19 other points on the 20 point
plan just collapse under their own weight. And yet, Doctor
Michael Rudnick, who's with us, professor emeritus of Jewish studies
and Bible at Moody Bible Institute, and also the host
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of Open Line with Doctor Michael Rudnick. Here's a quote.
And this came from a retired defense general, Amir Avivi.
And he said that the tables, he thinks, started to
turn against Hamas when Netanyahu was at the white House
just last week. In fact, here's what he said. This
is exactly what happened in Washington, a realization globally that
it's game over. Hamas lost it, even if we don't
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see yet Hamas laying down the weapons they already lost.
The IDF is controlling 80% of Gaza completely. 900,000 people
left the city, and the city is surrounded. Hamas is
done from where you sit. Is Hamas done?
S7 (20:28):
I think they're done militarily, but they're not. I don't
believe that they're willing. They would rather die every last
one of them than surrender, which is what this would be.
To give up administrative control of Gaza and then on
top of that, to lay down their weapons. How is
this not surrender? And and they don't want to do that.
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So yeah, they're militarily they can't really mount any danger
any at this point except against their, their own people,
which is what they're doing. They of course, there's still
guerrilla warfare that against Israeli troops, uh, IEDs and, and such.
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But for the most part, they are no longer a threat.
Although although the IDF, just as they've gotten to Gaza,
they have found rocket launchers. They have found all sorts
of weapons caches, so they still have supplies. However, I
do think that the pressure from Qatar or Qatar, depending
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on how you say it exactly.
S1 (21:40):
Changes by the hour, doesn't it.
S7 (21:42):
That that that has really affected them. Yeah. And you know,
I was not thrilled when Israel went after not not
that I think it was wrong because we you know,
we went after Osama bin laden in Pakistan because no
country is supposed to provide sanctuary for terrorist leaders. And nevertheless,
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I thought, well, there was negotiations going on. I was
thinking it was pretty unwise for Israel to go after
the the leadership of Hamas in Qatar. However it does
appear that this is what finally made Qatar say, you
know what? You guys need to make some sort of
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agreement to end this war. Uh, and so there was
sort of a, a combination that Prime Minister Netanyahu had
to sort of apologize to Qatar. Uh, I think President
Trump gave him the script, and he did that at
the same time. Qatar said, okay, we're going to put
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the pressure on Hamas to end this now, to finally
give up and accept this agreement. So that may be
that pressure. I mean, they no longer have a sponsor
in Iran. That's Iran can't do it. And the other
sponsor they had was Qatar. And that sounds like that
sponsorship is ending as well. So as a result of that, uh,
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now maybe maybe we will see something. Now, if they
give up the hostages. But don't lay down their weapons.
I find that what will happen is the war won't end. But.
But they will no longer have anything to hold over Israel,
which is what they've been doing with the hostages.
S1 (23:27):
But my belief is that there are nefarious actors behind
the scene. And you talked about, I'm going to say Qatar,
because that's how I always thought it was pronounced. It's
just lately in Washington, everybody calls it Qatar. So I'll
call it Qatar because I think that's the proper pronunciation.
They're nefarious and they're Two-Faced. And on the one hand,
you know, I agree with you that perhaps that was
a chess move that was not well played in terms
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of going after Hamas leadership in Qatar.
S8 (23:51):
However, we now. Yes.
S7 (23:54):
Now they're saying, yeah, let's get rid of Hamas. You know,
they're dangerous for us.
S8 (23:58):
So.
S1 (23:59):
Exactly. No society wants them. It's a terrorist organization. But
by the same token, I think Qatar is two faced
in that they are funneling billions with a B of
dollars into the United States, fomenting a lot of this pro-Palestine,
you know, from the river to the sea stuff. So
don't tell me how much you want Hamas out when
you're trying to foment a civil action here in the
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United States.
S7 (24:22):
Yeah. Uh, listen, uh, they, they fund Al Jazeera. That's
their their state radio and TV. Right. And, uh, it's
very interesting. Uh, again, my son had a conversation with
someone who is completely shocked that he supports Israel. And
he said, where do you get your information from? Where'd
they say Al Jazeera?
S8 (24:44):
Yeah, exactly.
S7 (24:45):
Who could trust that? Who could trust.
S8 (24:46):
That?
S1 (24:47):
Exactly. I think that very much a vein in all
of this. And this is why this is global. This
isn't just Israel and Gaza and Hamas. This is global.
When you have people marching all over the streets of Europe,
as they did this weekend, continuing to march here in
the United States, raising their hands in solidarity tomorrow, there
are multiple events planned supporting Hamas and pro-Palestinian movements on
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the second year anniversary of the massacre that took place.
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S10 (25:57):
The only time Yasser Arafat didn't tell me the truth
was when he promised me he was going to accept
the peace deal that we had worked out, which would
have given the Palestinians Citizens of state on 96% of
the West Bank and 4% of Israel, and they got
to choose where the 4% of Israel was. So they
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would have the effect of the same land of all
the West Bank. They would have a capital in East Jerusalem.
They would have. The. I can hardly talk about this.
And they would have equal access all day, every day
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to the security towers that Israel maintained all through the
West Bank, up to the Golan Heights. All this was offered, including,
I will say it again, a capital in East Jerusalem
and two of the four quadrants of the Old City
of Jerusalem, confirmed by the Israeli Prime Minister, Ehud Barak.
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And his cabinet. And they said no. And I think
part of it is that Hamas did not care about
a homeland for the Palestinians. They wanted to kill Israelis
and make Israel uninhabitable. Well, I got news for them.
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They were there first. Before there was their faith existed.
They were there in the time of King David. And
the southernmost tribes had Judea and Samaria.
S1 (27:47):
Mm. Former president Bill Clinton, telling it like it is
a little history, I think would serve us well here.
So again, he makes a very important point that we
cannot underscore. You know, that wonderful line out of the
Darkest Hours where Gary Oldman plays Winston Churchill and he says,
you cannot argue with a tiger when your head is
in the tiger's mouth. This is exactly where Israel is at.
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Yet again, the presupposition here that is being presumed by
far too many, particularly in global leadership, is there is
a desire for a two state solution, and both parties
want to live peaceably side by side. One might be true.
The other is absolutely not. The charter language to this
day calls for the annihilation of the Jews in the
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Palestinian Liberation Organization. Arafat was given everything he wanted on
a silver platter, including splitting Jerusalem. The child before King Solomon,
right down the middle. I remember interviewing Ariel Sharon once,
this lion of Israel, and I asked him, Will you
ever see a divided Jerusalem? And he said in his
deep voice, never, never in my life. Well, we'll see
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whether or not that's going to happen. So, Michael, we
need to build on this because it isn't a matter
of saying we're working for a two state solution. It
isn't the two people wanting to live side by side.
You know what's interesting? Again, history. And then I want
to get your reaction to this? There was a day
when Israelis would go into Gaza. They would swim on
the beaches. They would buy things in Gaza. They couldn't
get in Israel. Gazans would come into the Old City
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in Jerusalem, and they would shop and they would go
back and forth. Gazans would come in and work in
Israel and then go back home at night and return
back to Gaza. So this back and forth happened all
the time. And then the devil showed up, and then
Hamas made itself known. And then people like Yasser Arafat, who,
by the way, for the record, wasn't Palestinian but had
a notebook in his pocket with all of his bank
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accounts all over the world. Aid would come in, he'd
pocket it. First time I went to Jericho, I said
to the IDF officer, I said, whose house is that
in a town that's basically just absolutely decimated. He said, oh,
that's one of Yasser Arafat's many, many houses. This is
the stuff the BBC and CNN won't tell you, but
it's the stuff you learn when you spend time in Israel.
So go back to what Bill Clinton said, because there
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was history and there have been Oslo, there's been the
Wye plantation, and there's been multiple accords, multiple photo opportunities
in the Rose garden, handshakes. Uh. Uh, you know, going
back decades and it's never, ever happened. Why? Because at
one point, there isn't a desire to have a two
state solution. It's a matter of eradicating the Jews. Talk
to me about this.
S7 (30:14):
Yeah, well, that's. Ehud Olmert offered a.
S8 (30:17):
Two state.
S7 (30:18):
Solution to Mahmoud Abbas back in 2008. And, and and
he never even got a reply. He never got an answer.
And and so it's not it's not that Israelis have
given up on a two state solution. Honestly, I've talked
to many Israelis and the the difference is now they
say it's not the time now, not right now. But
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they do believe, in the long run, that a two
state solution is the only hope for Israel. That's the
majority of Israelis, I would say, uh, but as long
as there isn't a peace partner, that's the difficulty. And
it's why this 20 point plan that the president has
put forward, it talks about that the Palestinian Authority will
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have some sort of leadership in the future if they
reform themselves. Well, you heard what Benjamin Netanyahu said about that.
Good luck. Let's see them reform themselves. They've been saying
they're going to reform themselves for a generation and haven't.
And so, uh, that's that's what I fear is that, well,
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I the only thing I would love to see come
out of this 20 point plan is for Hamas to
give up the hostages, because then if they don't keep
the rest of it, then they will find their destruction.
It'll it'll really come down to that. But the thing
that keeps Israel from complete destruction of Hamas are the hostages.
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So we'll see if they will really give them up. So, hey,
you know, this is something I did want to say.
You know, when we look at this, uh, and I
think this is this is so important when we look
at Scripture. It does say in Scripture that at the
end of days, all nations will gather against Jerusalem. Read
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Zechariah 12, Zechariah 14. What I have seen, and this
is so frightening to me that even Israel's allies like, uh,
Great Britain, the United Kingdom, France, they rely on Israeli
intelligence to prevent Islamic terrorism in their countries, and they're
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willing to give that up in order to, I guess,
mollify their their immigrant populations that they have that are
wanting Sharia law in London and in Paris. And I
am just shocked about that. But I am seeing that
the scriptures, I think it's not so shocking now to
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look at what Zechariah says and say, yes, all nations
will gather against Jerusalem one day because we see it
one by one, nation after nation, coming along and adopting
this anti-Israel attitude.
S1 (33:06):
Yeah. Wow. So, um, this idea, again, of the presumption
of peace and the idea that out of the 20
point plan and you've made this point twice, and I
think it's an important one, that if a hostage, if
the hostages come back, at least forget the other 19,
we got the hostages back. But Hamas doesn't act by itself.
And I think this is also important when you look
at the way and it was an abject failure on
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intelligence for the IDF and, you know, they're the best
in the world as far as I'm concerned. But this
was a failure. They literally flew in on gliders. They
came in through the sea. They dressed like policemen. They
had IDF officers, they had road stops where they where
people were fleeing the Nova Film Festival or the music festival.
They thought there was a road check and the police
were letting him through. And in fact, they were Hamas
and they were killing people as they drove up to
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the road check in the road. So there's not a
lot of money in Gaza. And so there has to
be a funding mechanism that's coming in to keep these people, uh.
Rich in weapons.
S7 (34:00):
Operating.
S1 (34:01):
Exactly. So now you know that Iran, this Iran has
been playing a proxy war with Israel, the little Satan
and us, the Big Satan, for a long period of time.
Even if the weapons are taken away, which will never happen.
I hear a Clint Eastwood line in there about my
cold dead hands somewhere, but giving the the the hostages back.
Even if you do that, it would simply be a
matter of time before they would re-up in terms of
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weaponry and recruits, it seems to me.
S7 (34:27):
Yeah, I think I don't think that even if they say, okay,
we're laying down our weapons, they're going to lay them down,
hidden someplace so they can pick them up again. And they,
they said they're going to take away offensive weapons, but
they'll keep their defensive weapons. Well, there's no such thing
as just defensive weapons. Like if they keep their, uh,
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assault rifles. That's not just a defensive weapon. Uh, Hamas will,
for this war to end, Hamas will have to lay
down their weaponry. That's that's just that's just a given.
It has to happen. Uh, I don't believe they will
ever do that. I don't they even said, uh, as
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they plan the, uh, post-war government of Gaza, they said, well,
we'll have a team of Arab technocrats, they can govern,
but the future of the area will have to be
decided by the Palestinian people. And they said, and Hamas
will be part of that discussion. So they're not planning
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on giving up their authority. They want to be part
of the post-war discussions. Uh, that's that's just not going
to happen. So we'll see if they take that step.
I really don't believe they will give up the hostages,
because that's the only thing they have against Israel right now.
That's the only thing that keeps Israel from completely obliterating,
obliterating Hamas. And and that's. I just don't believe they'll
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do that. Uh, you know, uh, have you seen that
people are talking about. I've seen a lot of believers asking,
are these the last days? Are we? Some people even
think we're in the tribulation period. Have you seen that?
S1 (36:06):
Yes, I have, by the way, wasn't there a rapture?
I missed it. Didn't we have a date for the rapture?
S7 (36:11):
Well, yeah, that's just it. I. I believe the rapture
will happen first. But I do think that we, we're
seeing the prep for the last days and it's I
did want to mention this thing that we're having at
Moody Bible Institute on November 8th. We're having the summit
on Israel in the last days and what so often
people have neglected studying Bible prophecy. We're not going to
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do that any longer. We need to study. And so,
November 8th, the summit on Israel in the last days,
Mark Yarbrough, president of Dallas, will be speaking. I'll be speaking.
Don Sweeting, uh, will be speaking. Check it out. I
think the best way to go is Moody conferences. Com
and you'll see it linked there. The summit on Israel
and the last days. I just wanted people to know
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about that.
S1 (36:56):
Excellent moody conferences.com. Right. Moody conferences.com November 8th. So check
it out. It's coming. And by the way we always
talk the Bible in one hand, newspaper in the other.
I don't think you can understand what's happening in Israel
without understanding what the Bible has to say about the
nation of Israel. Doctor Michael Redlick is with us. We're
going to take a break and come right back. I
want to show some new data out there about young
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evangelicals and what they're thinking about the Jewish people. I
want to get Doctor Michael Redlich's response. We'll do that
right after this. We are visiting with Doctor Michael Redlich,
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professor emeritus of Jewish studies and Bible at Moody Bible Institute.
Thank goodness. Moody has a Jewish studies program. So crucial,
so important. Always been important, maybe more important now than
ever before. He's also the host of Open Line with
Doctor Michael Rudnick, which is heard all across the country. So, Michael,
there's some very troubling data I want to share with you.
There was a survey that was done, and it was
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done of evangelical Christians. And, uh, the outcome is not
very good. In fact, um, it was a report entitled
Crossroads of Belief Evangelicals and the Jewish People. And what
this report wanted to do was to look at how
evangelicals view the Jewish people. So they surveyed about a
thousand people, evangelical Protestants. You have to have 1000 at
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least to make it a credible survey of any kind.
And what they found was 49%. This is of evangelical Christians. 49%
said that they believe the Jews are God's chosen people.
To which I say, what Bible are you reading? That's 51%.
The corollary here is 51% who don't believe evangelical Protestants,
who don't believe that Jews are God's chosen people, Particularly problematic, Michael,
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is that only 29% of respondents below the age of
35 agreed. By contrast, 50% of the respondents aged 35
to 44 said the Jews were God's chosen people, as
well as 51% of those ages 45 to 54. 55%
of those ages 55 and 64, and 56 of those
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65 and older. So clearly the older you get, the
more stronger support you get for the idea that the
Jews are God's chosen people. With all due respect. That's
not a concept that's up for debate. It's a declared
fact in his word. Talk to me about this.
S7 (39:20):
Well, yeah, I just want to say it's not just
an Old Testament concept. It's a New Testament. It says
in Romans 1128 and 29 that though they're opposed to
the gospel, Jewish people remained. It says elect. That's the
word according to election. Election is just a big word
for chosen Jewish people. Remain elect and beloved for the
sake of the patriarchs. It's because of the covenants that
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made the Jewish people God's chosen people, not because of
anything they did to earn it. However, I think what
we have seen is a growth of something that that
sort of began to dissipate after the Holocaust has now
had a revitalization. You and I have even had discussions
with other people who hold it. Replacement theology. Exactly. They
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advocate for replacement theology. They say, you know, we are
the chosen people now that God's rejected the Jewish people,
which think about what Romans 11 one says, has God
rejected his people whom he foreknew? Absolutely not. And yet,
what are they saying? God's rejected Israel, and now the
church is the true chosen people. And that's I think
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it's just a reflection of our culture. We're very self-absorbed.
And so we think that when I see anything in
the Bible with a promise, it's all about me. You know,
the church. Uh, that's probably what we're all singing, remember?
It's all about him. But they're saying it's all about me.
It's all about me. And and I think that's the
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the basis of this. And I see a lot of
people misunderstanding verses like Galatians 316, which talks about the
seed is Christ. And that's true. The seed is indeed Christ.
When you read Genesis 22, there's the collective seed of
Israel that have promises. But there's one particular seed, the Messiah,
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who will, uh, who who is the one that will
make all nations, that will bless all nations and all
in your seed. All nations will be blessed through him
so that that is what they're missing. They they can't
understand how God works through collective Israel as well as
this one primary perfect example of the leadership of Israel,
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the Messiah. So they misunderstand that verse. In fact, I've
just written a book at the behest of Moody Publishers.
They said, can you produce a real quick book because
of this problem? This very, very problem that you just mentioned.
It's called how should Christians Think about Israel? And it's
it's already done and it's coming out November 4th. So
I'm looking forward to that. And we're already issue that
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you found.
S1 (41:55):
Exactly. And we are already booked on the calendar to
spend an hour talking about this book. So I cannot
wait for it to come out on release very much.
S7 (42:02):
Exactly.
S1 (42:03):
Well, and it's so timely, Michael. So thank you for
putting it out there, because when I looked at this
survey data, I know Washington, all we do is we
play around with white paper reports all the time. But
this stuff is important. It's always the precursor to a
public policy proposal. And for the church, it helps us
better understand the lay of the land and why. What
from a pastor's perspective, I'm not one, never will be one,
but I would think that a pastor would want to
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know who are the sheep, what are they thinking? What
are the things that they believe? And you talked about
that replacement theology. So if you take a look again
at that, under 35 year old age, 26% endorse replacement theology.
That's one out of four in that 35 age bracket. Um,
they believe, again, that Christians have replaced the Jews as
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God's chosen people. Another 26% said that they don't know.
So do the math and start adding these up. And 16%
said that they believe that Jews were never God's chosen people.
So never I don't know. And replacement theology and you
already have a majority of those under the age of 35.
What's the antidote for that sound doctrine? So what does
that say about the need? Exactly right. Exactly right. But
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it's sad now, like so many issues from the pulpit,
I think Shepherd's shy away because Israel is in the news. Yes,
there's a geopolitical aspect to this, but that doesn't make
it a political issue, does it?
S7 (43:20):
Yeah. No, it's not political. It's a biblical, theological, moral issue.
We need to address this. And listen, I went to
to visit a church when we moved to a new city,
and we were looking for a new home congregation. The
pastor preached on Genesis 12 one through six and never
mentioned the Abrahamic Covenant.
S1 (43:42):
Don't know how that's possible, but I guess it is.
S7 (43:46):
Yeah. So this is my point that that people are
so afraid of taking a stand of of taking a position.
This is what the Word of God says. And, and
and knowing what it means that that it's all about us.
And so as a result, we can't. Here's what I
think is so crucial. Because God is faithful to Israel.
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That's how we can be assured he'll be faithful to
us in the church, because nothing will separate us from
the love of God. Yeah, what about Israel? I'll show
you about Israel. God is faithful to them as well.
S1 (44:15):
And to that point, how do you get over me?
ISM in your walk with the Lord is not about.
Here's a newsflash uncomfortable. It's Monday, I get it. It's
not about you, it's about him. And the more we
put the focus on him, the more we realize he
shows up in the book from Genesis to Revelation, the
more our teaching and preaching is Christ centered, the less
it becomes more about you. And so that's where we're
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at right now. I think it's this me centric culture,
this exaltation of self, the self-improvement you can have your
best life ever stuff. And we forget really what the
Scripture has to tell us. Michael, I can always trust you.
You're straight as an arrow, brother, and I appreciate it.
And thank you, by the way.
S7 (44:52):
Thank you for having me.
S1 (44:53):
It's always a joy. And thanks for the commentary. Craig
and I use it all the time. If you don't
have a copy of the Moody Bible Commentary, please get one.
Craig and I have a boatload of commentaries. The Moody
commentary happens to be our favorite. This fellow right here,
he's the general editor and a contributor as well. Michael,
thank you for an insightful conversation. By the way, on
our website, Michael wrote a great blog called Everyday Israelis
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after two years of the war again, tomorrow being the anniversary,
you need to read what Michael has to say. And
what's the Jewish perspective over in Israel right now? Pray
for the peace of Jerusalem always. Thank you Michael. Thank
you friends. We'll see you next time on In the
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S2 (02:19):
Here are some of the news headlines we're watching.
S3 (02:21):
The conference was over. The president won a pledge.
S4 (02:23):
Americans worshiping government over God.
S5 (02:25):
Extremely rare safety move by a.
S4 (02:28):
17 years the Palestinians and Israelis negotiated.
S6 (02:48):
Two years ago, I was at Kafr Azza. I'm back
here again. Two years later. It's almost as ugly today
as it was two years ago, when there was still
blood streaming from every wall and in every house in
this wonderful little kibbutz that once housed a thousand people. Now,
virtually no one lives here because they can't. What happened
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on October the 7th was a cruel, vicious, blood curdling
atrocity in which children, young families were viciously massacred, mutilated
and humiliated by the acts of the savages of Hamas.
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They not only carried out some of the most evil
acts of human history, but they did it with a
level of glee and pride that is unimaginable, actually wearing
cameras on their helmets so they could capture the slaughter
of human beings. Many of them children, elderly people, defenseless people,
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and being very satisfied with their behavior. It's why the
president has said time and again, Hamas can't stay. And
it's why when I come back two years later, it's
still a very, very ugly reminder of what happened on
October the 7th.
S1 (04:15):
And that's what we're going to focus in on this hour.
Welcome to In the Market with Janet Parshall. That is
US ambassador Mike Huckabee. He represents the United States in Israel.
Thanks be to God. What a perfect appointment. And Ambassador
Huckabee is spot on when he talks about Assad being
just like it was two years ago. You know, for
so many people who don't even understand that day, you
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think it was just an attack on a music festival.
That was one site, certainly. But if you were to
take out your Bible and you were to draw a
line along the border, the entire border of Gaza, and
where it buttresses up against Israel, every single point along
that border, there were terrorist attacks. Well planned. They came
in by water. They flew in by air. They disguised
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themselves as policemen and IDF officers. They came in and
killed civilians. This was not a war where it was
soldiers and soldiers. This was civilians. Now, again, we're looking
to see what will happen. Negotiators from Israel and Hamas
are in Cairo today, working through President Trump's 20 point
plan that will supposedly end the war in Gaza and
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free the hostages. The administration says that momentum is building
despite some major hurdles. Over the weekend, Secretary of State
Marco Rubio said that he's hopeful that hostages may soon
be coming home. Now, I will point out that the
deadline was six. Last night has not happened yet. And yet,
Marco Rubio said, I think we're the closest we have
been in a very long time to having no hostages
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held by Hamas, either living or deceased. The second part
of this, and it's going to be the much tougher
part of this, is what happens after that. Who's going
to run Gaza moving forward? It can't be Hamas. It
can't be a terrorist organization. So what comes after the
hostage release is one of the several core issues on
the table in Cairo. Israel says the talks cannot drag on.
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An Israeli spokesperson just said over the weekend, now, the
Prime Minister has made it clear that in an agreement
with the Trump administration, talks will be confined to a
few days maximum, with no tolerance for maneuvers that will
delay talks by Hamas. The spokesperson went on to say
Israel is standing by the 72 hour deadline. From the
moment all details are solidified with Hamas, and will be
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ready to receive all our hostages. To note, Hamas says
it may need time to collect the 48 hostages, only
20 of whom are still believed to be alive. Other
ones have either been released or they are dead. Remember,
all hostages, dead or alive, must be returned. And you'll
remember that Netanyahu since October 7th, 2023. Two points. And
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he's never deviated from either one. Number one, every single
hostage must be returned. Has not happened to this moment.
Number two, Hamas must be rooted out in its entirety.
This terrorist organization can no longer can no longer be
allowed to exist. Roll up your sleeves. We're going to
be thinking critically and biblically about the nation of Israel,
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and I can't think of a better person to speak
with than Doctor Michael Rudnick, professor emeritus of Jewish studies
and Bible at Moody Bible Institute. He is also the
host and the Bible teacher on Open Line with Doctor
Michael Rudnick. Michael, The Warmest of Welcomes, My Heart's Kind
of Heavy. I watched a very powerful documentary over the
weekend called October 7th, bearing witness to a massacre. It
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was profound. It was impactful. It was not for the
faint of heart. But it goes exactly what to Ambassador
Huckabee said. Why would a terrorist come in with a
GoPro camera strapped to his chest so that he could
videotape people? I saw someone whose head was taken off
with a garden hoe in the process of this documentary
as well, I mean it. I looked at Craig as
we watched this and we said, this is the working
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definition of demonic behavior. It goes even if you were
a subscriber to the UN, of which I am not.
If you simply looked at what you're supposed to do
in terms of what is deemed to be a just war,
what is deemed to be human rights that you have
to value even in the fog of war. None of
that was attributed to. And yet we had people over
the weekend marching in the streets of Amsterdam as an example,
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a quarter of a million people shouting the Free Palestine,
the same town where Anne Frank was hidden in an attic.
There were a quarter of a million people talking free Palestine.
These are very challenging times. Give me your thoughts today.
S7 (08:20):
Oh, yeah. Well, the very first thing I would wonder
about is that the very people who've been calling for
a cease fire now, cease fire now, where are they?
Why are they not demanding the cease fire now? And
it's because they were saying they wanted a cease fire.
As long as Hamas could stay in power, they were
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supporting Hamas and Opposed to Israel. So now there is
a cease fire available. This war could end today. Just
Hamas has to give up the hostages. They have to
give up authority and power in Gaza. And it's all
there on the table. And the very same people that
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are protesting against Israel. Why are they not shouting cease
fire now to Hamas? It just shows that they're they're
real attitude was not for a cease fire, but hatred
of Israel.
S8 (09:13):
Couldn't agree more. I was thinking about. Yeah.
S1 (09:15):
Couldn't agree more. And the other thing too is that I.
There's a I'm not the tiniest bit surprised by the
way that the hostages as of this minute have not
been released. I've been poring over this 20 point plan,
and Scripture tells us blessed are the peacemakers. And so
I always say, it's wonderful that you're trying. But I
thought you just. With all due respect, Mr. President, you
don't know Gazans, you don't know Hamas, you don't know
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the Middle East. This is not going to happen. I
don't think he'd get one of the 20 points. But
the one first One non-negotiable is the hostages have to
be returned. And even that point hasn't been met yet.
I'm glad that I have you, Michael, for the whole hour,
because I have a ton of things to talk to
you about. Israel was all over the news this weekend.
It's of course in the news again today. And again,
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the shocking observation for me in the in this grandstands
is just watching this unmitigated rise in anti-Semitism, which if
you go through life with the Bible in one hand
and the newspaper in the other, cannot be qualified as
anything but spiritual warfare, demonic warfare. More with Doctor Michael
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to in the market with Janet. We are visiting with
Doctor Michael Redlich, professor emeritus of Jewish Studies and Bible
at Moody Bible Institute, also the host of Open Line
with Doctor Michael Rudnick, which is heard on the weekends
over hundreds of stations all across the country. And there
is so much to talk about. So let me go back,
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if I can, for a minute to this idea of
the 20 point plan, which I think is problematic in
and of itself, of this 20 point plan, which the
president laid out, it says that the hostages have to
be released within 72 hours and fighting, exchange prisoners, demilitarized Gaza.
It's wonderful. Arab nations are saying great. In fact, if
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you go to the white House right now, the president
has posted on the white House information page, Global support.
This is the words out of the statement global support
for President Trump, bold vision for peace in Gaza. And
he has quotes here from the joint foreign ministers of Qatar, Jordan,
the United Arab Emirates, Indonesia, Pakistan, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Egypt.
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So the world is watching and the world at least appears,
according to this posting, to be very much in favor
of what's going to happen. The problem once again, Hamas,
they say, not so fast. They want to negotiate. They
really think that they're not in favor of all the
20 points. They really want leverage. And the leverage, of course,
is the hostages. Michael, we need to point out and
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I think our friends need to understand that, that Israel
and I take umbrage with Israel on this, that for
the hostages, which were people whose universal human rights were
violated by taking them hostage by a terrorist organization, that
somehow there's a trade here that we're going to give
back terrorists, people who are on death row in Israel
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and give them back to Hamas. So the hostages come back,
dead or alive. And in exchange, Israel has to give
them back terrorists. Something's wrong with this picture. This is leverage,
is it not? In fact, the day of October 7th,
according to the documentary I was watching over the weekend,
it was purposeful and not just outright slaughter, which they
did pell mell, but specifically hand choosing hostages where they
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would use them specifically as chess pieces going forward.
S7 (12:55):
Yes, that's exactly it. It was there was greater the slaughter, actually.
They thought, oh, this is available. So that's why they
did it. Their major intent was to take the hostages.
That was what they wanted to do. And and here's
I know I do understand there's no death row in Israel,
but there are people with life sentences who have blood
on their hands that they that Hamas would like to
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have released. And that's part of this. The question people
keep asking me is, why would Israel do this? Why?
I mean, they gave up Yahya Sinwar for Gilad Shalit
all those years ago. And that's look what happened here. Uh,
there's several reasons. One is Israel's humanity. That's why they
treated Yahya Sinwar for a brain tumor. Most people aren't
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aware of that. They saved his life. And then he
went back in a hostage trade and they gave up
a thousand people. Terrorists for one Israeli soldier, Gilad Shalit. Uh,
that's that's what happened. And I was very upset about
that at the time. And my son, who was serving
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in the Israel Defense Forces at the time, said, well,
they won't ever take me alive, dad, so you don't
have to worry. Oh, great. And then he said, uh,
but it's nice to know that my government will redeem
me if, if needed. And here's the reason. In Jewish culture,
if you look at, uh, the Mishnah, the Gemara, the
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rabbinic literature, the highest, second, highest value there is besides
preserving life is redeeming hostages.
S8 (14:31):
Mhm.
S7 (14:32):
Uh, this has been something that has gone down throughout
Jewish history where, uh, people who hate Jewish people will
take Jewish people as hostages and that there was a commitment.
We're talking thousands of years now of the Jewish people
to redeem those who have been of our people, who
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have been taken. And so it's it's embedded deeply in
Jewish life. And that's why Israel is willing to do this. Uh,
it's not something that that just happened recently, or they're
thinking about this. It's because of this deeply ingrained Jewish
attitude about redeeming hostages to to do all we can
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to get even those who are not living back. And
and so that's why it's happening. In case you're wondering,
it's it's part of Jewish culture, uh, and Jewish history
and Jewish values. So, uh, that's what that's about. But Hamas,
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this is what I think is so important about the
20 points. Hamas announced that they accepted them. Yes. And
then there was that very small fine print.
S1 (15:43):
But but.
S7 (15:45):
Uh, and and that's the thing that I think President
Trump is trying to. How do I put this? Uh,
he's a deal maker. So instead of saying, oh, they
let's read the fine print. What he is saying is, okay,
we've got this far. They said a yes. Now let's
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deal with the but. Uh, and so he's trying to be, uh,
to make a deal and and maybe this will work. Uh,
although I have to say, as as much as I
respect the desire to make the deal, uh, President Trump
is not used to dealing with Hamas. He's dealing with.
He's not dealing with some Manhattan developer. You know that
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he wants to buy property from. So there, the fine
print matters and we'll see what happens.
S1 (16:36):
Yeah, that's an excellent point. And again, I think, in fact,
when he spoke yesterday at Norfolk at America's largest, uh,
Navy yard and the 250th anniversary of the Navy, he
talked about the fact that peace has been brought around
in seven nations and were just on the cusp, he
said of number eight. But I won't talk about that
right now. We'll wait and see. And of course, he
was alluding to the 20 point plan. I mean, when
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you look at the 20 point plan, knowing who Hamas is,
I mean, this is a I'm going to say it again.
And being repetitive is important, I think, because it really
drives home the point, but it's the only descriptive word
I can think. It is a demonic organization. So point
number six is once all hostages are returned, Hamas members
who commit to peaceful coexistence and to the decommissioning of
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their weapons will be given amnesty. Members of Hamas who
wish to leave Gaza will be provided safe passage to
receiving countries. Well, this is a person who doesn't understand
that Hamas believes that if you're shaheed, if you're a martyr,
that's the highest homage that can be paid to you.
Mothers in Gaza will hand out candy when their sons
have given their lives by wearing an explosive vest, so
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they're not going to decommission their weapons, and they're not
going to leave Hamas. They're not going to do so
without understanding that if they do so, their families are
at risk because one of their own walked away. So
much to talk about with Doctor Michael Riordan. Let me
take a break and come right back. We bring this
to you simply because this is a matter of prayer
that God watches over Israel. He doesn't slumber. He doesn't sleep.
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This is very much in the center of his plan
for what will happen in the future. We need to
be praying for these mortal leaders who need wisdom right now.
Back after this.
S9 (18:26):
It can't partially accept it. It has to accept to
accept it in full. And especially the first part that
has to get underway. That's what moves everything towards a
resolution of the conflict. Uh, if they do, if we
actually set up a civilian administration in Gaza that doesn't, uh,
educate its children to, uh, hate Israel, to try to
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destroy Israel, to kill Jews everywhere, uh, in other words,
to de-radicalize Gaza, not only to demilitarize it, not only
to disarm Hamas, but to de-radicalize Gaza, as was done
in Germany after World War two, or in in Japan then? Yes. Uh,
then I think the whole region can have a much
more positive and peaceful future. And by the way, I
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think that if that happens, I think we'll have many
more peace deals, uh, of the kind that I broke,
that I had done with President Trump and Arab leaders
in the Abraham Accords, we can expand the Abraham Peace
Accords to include other countries in the Middle East and
Muslim countries beyond the Middle East.
S1 (19:30):
Benjamin Netanyahu over the weekend speaking on European television regarding
the 20 point plan and of course, the point he's
making and he's spot on, is that if the hostages
aren't returned, the 19 other points on the 20 point
plan just collapse under their own weight. And yet, Doctor
Michael Rudnick, who's with us, professor emeritus of Jewish studies
and Bible at Moody Bible Institute, and also the host
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of Open Line with Doctor Michael Rudnick. Here's a quote.
And this came from a retired defense general, Amir Avivi.
And he said that the tables, he thinks, started to
turn against Hamas when Netanyahu was at the white House
just last week. In fact, here's what he said. This
is exactly what happened in Washington, a realization globally that
it's game over. Hamas lost it, even if we don't
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see yet Hamas laying down the weapons they already lost.
The IDF is controlling 80% of Gaza completely. 900,000 people
left the city, and the city is surrounded. Hamas is
done from where you sit. Is Hamas done?
S7 (20:28):
I think they're done militarily, but they're not. I don't
believe that they're willing. They would rather die every last
one of them than surrender, which is what this would be.
To give up administrative control of Gaza and then on
top of that, to lay down their weapons. How is
this not surrender? And and they don't want to do that.
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So yeah, they're militarily they can't really mount any danger
any at this point except against their, their own people,
which is what they're doing. They of course, there's still
guerrilla warfare that against Israeli troops, uh, IEDs and, and such.
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But for the most part, they are no longer a threat.
Although although the IDF, just as they've gotten to Gaza,
they have found rocket launchers. They have found all sorts
of weapons caches, so they still have supplies. However, I
do think that the pressure from Qatar or Qatar, depending
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on how you say it exactly.
S1 (21:40):
Changes by the hour, doesn't it.
S7 (21:42):
That that that has really affected them. Yeah. And you know,
I was not thrilled when Israel went after not not
that I think it was wrong because we you know,
we went after Osama bin laden in Pakistan because no
country is supposed to provide sanctuary for terrorist leaders. And nevertheless,
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I thought, well, there was negotiations going on. I was
thinking it was pretty unwise for Israel to go after
the the leadership of Hamas in Qatar. However it does
appear that this is what finally made Qatar say, you
know what? You guys need to make some sort of
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agreement to end this war. Uh, and so there was
sort of a, a combination that Prime Minister Netanyahu had
to sort of apologize to Qatar. Uh, I think President
Trump gave him the script, and he did that at
the same time. Qatar said, okay, we're going to put
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the pressure on Hamas to end this now, to finally
give up and accept this agreement. So that may be
that pressure. I mean, they no longer have a sponsor
in Iran. That's Iran can't do it. And the other
sponsor they had was Qatar. And that sounds like that
sponsorship is ending as well. So as a result of that, uh,
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now maybe maybe we will see something. Now, if they
give up the hostages. But don't lay down their weapons.
I find that what will happen is the war won't end. But.
But they will no longer have anything to hold over Israel,
which is what they've been doing with the hostages.
S1 (23:27):
But my belief is that there are nefarious actors behind
the scene. And you talked about, I'm going to say Qatar,
because that's how I always thought it was pronounced. It's
just lately in Washington, everybody calls it Qatar. So I'll
call it Qatar because I think that's the proper pronunciation.
They're nefarious and they're Two-Faced. And on the one hand,
you know, I agree with you that perhaps that was
a chess move that was not well played in terms
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of going after Hamas leadership in Qatar.
S8 (23:51):
However, we now. Yes.
S7 (23:54):
Now they're saying, yeah, let's get rid of Hamas. You know,
they're dangerous for us.
S8 (23:58):
So.
S1 (23:59):
Exactly. No society wants them. It's a terrorist organization. But
by the same token, I think Qatar is two faced
in that they are funneling billions with a B of
dollars into the United States, fomenting a lot of this pro-Palestine,
you know, from the river to the sea stuff. So
don't tell me how much you want Hamas out when
you're trying to foment a civil action here in the
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United States.
S7 (24:22):
Yeah. Uh, listen, uh, they, they fund Al Jazeera. That's
their their state radio and TV. Right. And, uh, it's
very interesting. Uh, again, my son had a conversation with
someone who is completely shocked that he supports Israel. And
he said, where do you get your information from? Where'd
they say Al Jazeera?
S8 (24:44):
Yeah, exactly.
S7 (24:45):
Who could trust that? Who could trust.
S8 (24:46):
That?
S1 (24:47):
Exactly. I think that very much a vein in all
of this. And this is why this is global. This
isn't just Israel and Gaza and Hamas. This is global.
When you have people marching all over the streets of Europe,
as they did this weekend, continuing to march here in
the United States, raising their hands in solidarity tomorrow, there
are multiple events planned supporting Hamas and pro-Palestinian movements on
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the second year anniversary of the massacre that took place.
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S10 (25:57):
The only time Yasser Arafat didn't tell me the truth
was when he promised me he was going to accept
the peace deal that we had worked out, which would
have given the Palestinians Citizens of state on 96% of
the West Bank and 4% of Israel, and they got
to choose where the 4% of Israel was. So they
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would have the effect of the same land of all
the West Bank. They would have a capital in East Jerusalem.
They would have. The. I can hardly talk about this.
And they would have equal access all day, every day
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to the security towers that Israel maintained all through the
West Bank, up to the Golan Heights. All this was offered, including,
I will say it again, a capital in East Jerusalem
and two of the four quadrants of the Old City
of Jerusalem, confirmed by the Israeli Prime Minister, Ehud Barak.
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And his cabinet. And they said no. And I think
part of it is that Hamas did not care about
a homeland for the Palestinians. They wanted to kill Israelis
and make Israel uninhabitable. Well, I got news for them.
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They were there first. Before there was their faith existed.
They were there in the time of King David. And
the southernmost tribes had Judea and Samaria.
S1 (27:47):
Mm. Former president Bill Clinton, telling it like it is
a little history, I think would serve us well here.
So again, he makes a very important point that we
cannot underscore. You know, that wonderful line out of the
Darkest Hours where Gary Oldman plays Winston Churchill and he says,
you cannot argue with a tiger when your head is
in the tiger's mouth. This is exactly where Israel is at.
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Yet again, the presupposition here that is being presumed by
far too many, particularly in global leadership, is there is
a desire for a two state solution, and both parties
want to live peaceably side by side. One might be true.
The other is absolutely not. The charter language to this
day calls for the annihilation of the Jews in the
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Palestinian Liberation Organization. Arafat was given everything he wanted on
a silver platter, including splitting Jerusalem. The child before King Solomon,
right down the middle. I remember interviewing Ariel Sharon once,
this lion of Israel, and I asked him, Will you
ever see a divided Jerusalem? And he said in his
deep voice, never, never in my life. Well, we'll see
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whether or not that's going to happen. So, Michael, we
need to build on this because it isn't a matter
of saying we're working for a two state solution. It
isn't the two people wanting to live side by side.
You know what's interesting? Again, history. And then I want
to get your reaction to this? There was a day
when Israelis would go into Gaza. They would swim on
the beaches. They would buy things in Gaza. They couldn't
get in Israel. Gazans would come into the Old City
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in Jerusalem, and they would shop and they would go
back and forth. Gazans would come in and work in
Israel and then go back home at night and return
back to Gaza. So this back and forth happened all
the time. And then the devil showed up, and then
Hamas made itself known. And then people like Yasser Arafat, who,
by the way, for the record, wasn't Palestinian but had
a notebook in his pocket with all of his bank
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accounts all over the world. Aid would come in, he'd
pocket it. First time I went to Jericho, I said
to the IDF officer, I said, whose house is that
in a town that's basically just absolutely decimated. He said, oh,
that's one of Yasser Arafat's many, many houses. This is
the stuff the BBC and CNN won't tell you, but
it's the stuff you learn when you spend time in Israel.
So go back to what Bill Clinton said, because there
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was history and there have been Oslo, there's been the
Wye plantation, and there's been multiple accords, multiple photo opportunities
in the Rose garden, handshakes. Uh. Uh, you know, going
back decades and it's never, ever happened. Why? Because at
one point, there isn't a desire to have a two
state solution. It's a matter of eradicating the Jews. Talk
to me about this.
S7 (30:14):
Yeah, well, that's. Ehud Olmert offered a.
S8 (30:17):
Two state.
S7 (30:18):
Solution to Mahmoud Abbas back in 2008. And, and and
he never even got a reply. He never got an answer.
And and so it's not it's not that Israelis have
given up on a two state solution. Honestly, I've talked
to many Israelis and the the difference is now they
say it's not the time now, not right now. But
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they do believe, in the long run, that a two
state solution is the only hope for Israel. That's the
majority of Israelis, I would say, uh, but as long
as there isn't a peace partner, that's the difficulty. And
it's why this 20 point plan that the president has
put forward, it talks about that the Palestinian Authority will
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have some sort of leadership in the future if they
reform themselves. Well, you heard what Benjamin Netanyahu said about that.
Good luck. Let's see them reform themselves. They've been saying
they're going to reform themselves for a generation and haven't.
And so, uh, that's that's what I fear is that, well,
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I the only thing I would love to see come
out of this 20 point plan is for Hamas to
give up the hostages, because then if they don't keep
the rest of it, then they will find their destruction.
It'll it'll really come down to that. But the thing
that keeps Israel from complete destruction of Hamas are the hostages.
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So we'll see if they will really give them up. So, hey,
you know, this is something I did want to say.
You know, when we look at this, uh, and I
think this is this is so important when we look
at Scripture. It does say in Scripture that at the
end of days, all nations will gather against Jerusalem. Read
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Zechariah 12, Zechariah 14. What I have seen, and this
is so frightening to me that even Israel's allies like, uh,
Great Britain, the United Kingdom, France, they rely on Israeli
intelligence to prevent Islamic terrorism in their countries, and they're
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willing to give that up in order to, I guess,
mollify their their immigrant populations that they have that are
wanting Sharia law in London and in Paris. And I
am just shocked about that. But I am seeing that
the scriptures, I think it's not so shocking now to
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look at what Zechariah says and say, yes, all nations
will gather against Jerusalem one day because we see it
one by one, nation after nation, coming along and adopting
this anti-Israel attitude.
S1 (33:06):
Yeah. Wow. So, um, this idea, again, of the presumption
of peace and the idea that out of the 20
point plan and you've made this point twice, and I
think it's an important one, that if a hostage, if
the hostages come back, at least forget the other 19,
we got the hostages back. But Hamas doesn't act by itself.
And I think this is also important when you look
at the way and it was an abject failure on
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intelligence for the IDF and, you know, they're the best
in the world as far as I'm concerned. But this
was a failure. They literally flew in on gliders. They
came in through the sea. They dressed like policemen. They
had IDF officers, they had road stops where they where
people were fleeing the Nova Film Festival or the music festival.
They thought there was a road check and the police
were letting him through. And in fact, they were Hamas
and they were killing people as they drove up to
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the road check in the road. So there's not a
lot of money in Gaza. And so there has to
be a funding mechanism that's coming in to keep these people, uh.
Rich in weapons.
S7 (34:00):
Operating.
S1 (34:01):
Exactly. So now you know that Iran, this Iran has
been playing a proxy war with Israel, the little Satan
and us, the Big Satan, for a long period of time.
Even if the weapons are taken away, which will never happen.
I hear a Clint Eastwood line in there about my
cold dead hands somewhere, but giving the the the hostages back.
Even if you do that, it would simply be a
matter of time before they would re-up in terms of
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weaponry and recruits, it seems to me.
S7 (34:27):
Yeah, I think I don't think that even if they say, okay,
we're laying down our weapons, they're going to lay them down,
hidden someplace so they can pick them up again. And they,
they said they're going to take away offensive weapons, but
they'll keep their defensive weapons. Well, there's no such thing
as just defensive weapons. Like if they keep their, uh,
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assault rifles. That's not just a defensive weapon. Uh, Hamas will,
for this war to end, Hamas will have to lay
down their weaponry. That's that's just that's just a given.
It has to happen. Uh, I don't believe they will
ever do that. I don't they even said, uh, as
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they plan the, uh, post-war government of Gaza, they said, well,
we'll have a team of Arab technocrats, they can govern,
but the future of the area will have to be
decided by the Palestinian people. And they said, and Hamas
will be part of that discussion. So they're not planning
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on giving up their authority. They want to be part
of the post-war discussions. Uh, that's that's just not going
to happen. So we'll see if they take that step.
I really don't believe they will give up the hostages,
because that's the only thing they have against Israel right now.
That's the only thing that keeps Israel from completely obliterating,
obliterating Hamas. And and that's. I just don't believe they'll
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do that. Uh, you know, uh, have you seen that
people are talking about. I've seen a lot of believers asking,
are these the last days? Are we? Some people even
think we're in the tribulation period. Have you seen that?
S1 (36:06):
Yes, I have, by the way, wasn't there a rapture?
I missed it. Didn't we have a date for the rapture?
S7 (36:11):
Well, yeah, that's just it. I. I believe the rapture
will happen first. But I do think that we, we're
seeing the prep for the last days and it's I
did want to mention this thing that we're having at
Moody Bible Institute on November 8th. We're having the summit
on Israel in the last days and what so often
people have neglected studying Bible prophecy. We're not going to
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do that any longer. We need to study. And so,
November 8th, the summit on Israel in the last days,
Mark Yarbrough, president of Dallas, will be speaking. I'll be speaking.
Don Sweeting, uh, will be speaking. Check it out. I
think the best way to go is Moody conferences. Com
and you'll see it linked there. The summit on Israel
and the last days. I just wanted people to know
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about that.
S1 (36:56):
Excellent moody conferences.com. Right. Moody conferences.com November 8th. So check
it out. It's coming. And by the way we always
talk the Bible in one hand, newspaper in the other.
I don't think you can understand what's happening in Israel
without understanding what the Bible has to say about the
nation of Israel. Doctor Michael Redlick is with us. We're
going to take a break and come right back. I
want to show some new data out there about young
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evangelicals and what they're thinking about the Jewish people. I
want to get Doctor Michael Redlich's response. We'll do that
right after this. We are visiting with Doctor Michael Redlich,
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professor emeritus of Jewish studies and Bible at Moody Bible Institute.
Thank goodness. Moody has a Jewish studies program. So crucial,
so important. Always been important, maybe more important now than
ever before. He's also the host of Open Line with
Doctor Michael Rudnick, which is heard all across the country. So, Michael,
there's some very troubling data I want to share with you.
There was a survey that was done, and it was
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done of evangelical Christians. And, uh, the outcome is not
very good. In fact, um, it was a report entitled
Crossroads of Belief Evangelicals and the Jewish People. And what
this report wanted to do was to look at how
evangelicals view the Jewish people. So they surveyed about a
thousand people, evangelical Protestants. You have to have 1000 at
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least to make it a credible survey of any kind.
And what they found was 49%. This is of evangelical Christians. 49%
said that they believe the Jews are God's chosen people.
To which I say, what Bible are you reading? That's 51%.
The corollary here is 51% who don't believe evangelical Protestants,
who don't believe that Jews are God's chosen people, Particularly problematic, Michael,
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is that only 29% of respondents below the age of
35 agreed. By contrast, 50% of the respondents aged 35
to 44 said the Jews were God's chosen people, as
well as 51% of those ages 45 to 54. 55%
of those ages 55 and 64, and 56 of those
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65 and older. So clearly the older you get, the
more stronger support you get for the idea that the
Jews are God's chosen people. With all due respect. That's
not a concept that's up for debate. It's a declared
fact in his word. Talk to me about this.
S7 (39:20):
Well, yeah, I just want to say it's not just
an Old Testament concept. It's a New Testament. It says
in Romans 1128 and 29 that though they're opposed to
the gospel, Jewish people remained. It says elect. That's the
word according to election. Election is just a big word
for chosen Jewish people. Remain elect and beloved for the
sake of the patriarchs. It's because of the covenants that
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made the Jewish people God's chosen people, not because of
anything they did to earn it. However, I think what
we have seen is a growth of something that that
sort of began to dissipate after the Holocaust has now
had a revitalization. You and I have even had discussions
with other people who hold it. Replacement theology. Exactly. They
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advocate for replacement theology. They say, you know, we are
the chosen people now that God's rejected the Jewish people,
which think about what Romans 11 one says, has God
rejected his people whom he foreknew? Absolutely not. And yet,
what are they saying? God's rejected Israel, and now the
church is the true chosen people. And that's I think
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it's just a reflection of our culture. We're very self-absorbed.
And so we think that when I see anything in
the Bible with a promise, it's all about me. You know,
the church. Uh, that's probably what we're all singing, remember?
It's all about him. But they're saying it's all about me.
It's all about me. And and I think that's the
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the basis of this. And I see a lot of
people misunderstanding verses like Galatians 316, which talks about the
seed is Christ. And that's true. The seed is indeed Christ.
When you read Genesis 22, there's the collective seed of
Israel that have promises. But there's one particular seed, the Messiah,
(41:08):
who will, uh, who who is the one that will
make all nations, that will bless all nations and all
in your seed. All nations will be blessed through him
so that that is what they're missing. They they can't
understand how God works through collective Israel as well as
this one primary perfect example of the leadership of Israel,
(41:31):
the Messiah. So they misunderstand that verse. In fact, I've
just written a book at the behest of Moody Publishers.
They said, can you produce a real quick book because
of this problem? This very, very problem that you just mentioned.
It's called how should Christians Think about Israel? And it's
it's already done and it's coming out November 4th. So
I'm looking forward to that. And we're already issue that
(41:54):
you found.
S1 (41:55):
Exactly. And we are already booked on the calendar to
spend an hour talking about this book. So I cannot
wait for it to come out on release very much.
S7 (42:02):
Exactly.
S1 (42:03):
Well, and it's so timely, Michael. So thank you for
putting it out there, because when I looked at this
survey data, I know Washington, all we do is we
play around with white paper reports all the time. But
this stuff is important. It's always the precursor to a
public policy proposal. And for the church, it helps us
better understand the lay of the land and why. What
from a pastor's perspective, I'm not one, never will be one,
but I would think that a pastor would want to
(42:25):
know who are the sheep, what are they thinking? What
are the things that they believe? And you talked about
that replacement theology. So if you take a look again
at that, under 35 year old age, 26% endorse replacement theology.
That's one out of four in that 35 age bracket. Um,
they believe, again, that Christians have replaced the Jews as
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God's chosen people. Another 26% said that they don't know.
So do the math and start adding these up. And 16%
said that they believe that Jews were never God's chosen people.
So never I don't know. And replacement theology and you
already have a majority of those under the age of 35.
What's the antidote for that sound doctrine? So what does
that say about the need? Exactly right. Exactly right. But
(43:09):
it's sad now, like so many issues from the pulpit,
I think Shepherd's shy away because Israel is in the news. Yes,
there's a geopolitical aspect to this, but that doesn't make
it a political issue, does it?
S7 (43:20):
Yeah. No, it's not political. It's a biblical, theological, moral issue.
We need to address this. And listen, I went to
to visit a church when we moved to a new city,
and we were looking for a new home congregation. The
pastor preached on Genesis 12 one through six and never
mentioned the Abrahamic Covenant.
S1 (43:42):
Don't know how that's possible, but I guess it is.
S7 (43:46):
Yeah. So this is my point that that people are
so afraid of taking a stand of of taking a position.
This is what the Word of God says. And, and
and knowing what it means that that it's all about us.
And so as a result, we can't. Here's what I
think is so crucial. Because God is faithful to Israel.
(44:06):
That's how we can be assured he'll be faithful to
us in the church, because nothing will separate us from
the love of God. Yeah, what about Israel? I'll show
you about Israel. God is faithful to them as well.
S1 (44:15):
And to that point, how do you get over me?
ISM in your walk with the Lord is not about.
Here's a newsflash uncomfortable. It's Monday, I get it. It's
not about you, it's about him. And the more we
put the focus on him, the more we realize he
shows up in the book from Genesis to Revelation, the
more our teaching and preaching is Christ centered, the less
it becomes more about you. And so that's where we're
(44:37):
at right now. I think it's this me centric culture,
this exaltation of self, the self-improvement you can have your
best life ever stuff. And we forget really what the
Scripture has to tell us. Michael, I can always trust you.
You're straight as an arrow, brother, and I appreciate it.
And thank you, by the way.
S7 (44:52):
Thank you for having me.
S1 (44:53):
It's always a joy. And thanks for the commentary. Craig
and I use it all the time. If you don't
have a copy of the Moody Bible Commentary, please get one.
Craig and I have a boatload of commentaries. The Moody
commentary happens to be our favorite. This fellow right here,
he's the general editor and a contributor as well. Michael,
thank you for an insightful conversation. By the way, on
our website, Michael wrote a great blog called Everyday Israelis
(45:15):
after two years of the war again, tomorrow being the anniversary,
you need to read what Michael has to say. And
what's the Jewish perspective over in Israel right now? Pray
for the peace of Jerusalem always. Thank you Michael. Thank
you friends. We'll see you next time on In the
Market with Janet Parshall.
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