Hour 1: Trafficking Human Beings

What is the connection between abortion laws and human trafficking? How do we recognize a victim? How can we prevent this horrific evil? How do prevention, protection, and provision factor into this conversation? Join us to learn more and discover how to protect the vulnerable in your world.

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S1 (02:19):
Welcome to In the Market with Janet Parshall. Human trafficking.
The words defy belief. One would think that that might
have been a medieval process, but no, it's still taking
place today, which raises a series of questions. If you're
at a gas station, could you recognize somebody who was
being trafficked? How about at the mall? What about at
a football game? And what do you do to prevent

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people from being trafficked? And how do we fold together?
Three words, all beginning with P that have a profound
connection with the question prevention, protection and provision. We've got
a lot to talk about this hour. Get ready to
be thinking compassionately, critically and biblically. We're going to spend
the hour with Elizabeth Fisher Good, who is the co-founder

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and CEO of the Foundation United. That's a catalytic platform
to end sexual exploitation and trafficking through systemic change. Elizabeth
is a passionate pioneer and an inspirational thought leader with
a desire to expose the root cause behind sex trafficking.
She wrote a book called groomed, and it recounts her
own story of loss, abuse and triumph. And so now
she's dedicated to helping her life, to help women from

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all backgrounds discover how to live free from past traumas.
And that's a big word in this conversation. Strongholds and
lies they may have been groomed to believe about themselves.
What an important conversation, and I'm proud to point out
that this radio program is associated with Moody Bible Institute.
It's one of the few Christian schools in the country
that actually has a major in human trafficking. That's how

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much we care about this subject. So, Elizabeth. So, so
grateful that you're with us. And if I may, I
know you write about this in your book, but I
think there's nothing more powerful than an eyewitness, someone who
can say, been there, done that. I know what it's like.
Tell me about your story.

S7 (03:59):
Well. Hello, Janet. Um, you know, I. Yeah. Hello. Tell
me about your story. Um. Uh, I think jumping in.
I mean, it sort of sounds like I'm going to
tell you that I was trafficked and I was not trafficked,
but I think what people will hear is that our
route is all the same. What you'll hear a passion
about in me is the route. Because they say the

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statistic is 92% of sex trafficking survivors are survivors of
childhood sexual abuse. But over the last decade that I've
been involved in it, and the over 8500 people that
have come our way and that we've worked with in trafficking, 100%
had sexual abuse at the root. And I do share
that route. And so I think that's the piece that,
you know, if you want to begin there.

S1 (04:44):
Wow. Well, yes. And there is a linkage. And I'm
glad that you pointed that out. So it's hard to
believe that something like this even takes place in the world.
But we do live in a sin sick, fallen world,
and it is a part of this world. So when
you write in the in your book groomed, you talk
about the trauma that you've lived with. And by the way,
trauma is something that you live with the rest of
your life. You manage it, you control it. But that

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t is part of who you are. For a long
period of time. How did you make your way out
of this? And how did you find a road to healing?

S7 (05:13):
Yeah. Well, you know, I think that, you know, trauma.
I always say there's shades of gray to your journey, right?
You might start out with an event. Something happened to you,
but then it makes you vulnerable to the next event,
and then you become like a bumper sticker. Where of, like, here,
please abuse me because you haven't learned how to take
that abuse off that that sticker. And so for me,
you know, I had childhood sexual abuse at the hands

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of someone that I really loved in a church setting.
One of our worship leaders that was like a family
friend and abused me on the way to church. And
I think that the shock of it and the not
seeing it coming and just completely not being able to
speak to it and keeping a secret made me vulnerable.
And then I ended up being in places that the
next thing happened, and I ended up raped in my life,

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and I never spoke about that. And then I ended
up down this pathway of just being abused and exploited
and used. And when we found trafficking victims that we
worked with over the last decade, all of those girls
journey was the same. They were abused. You start feeling
no self-esteem. The typical just so people understand the root
of sex trafficking being abuse. Many of these children, it

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starts three, 4 or 5 years old, and in our country,
one out of three little girls are sexually abused today,
one out of five little boys. And when someone has
that happen chronically, they run away and they end up
just wanting to get away from it. And our stats
tell us within 48 hours, 80% in any city, any,
any part of the country, any zip code, within 48 hours, 80%

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are approached by a trafficker. For me, I was never
approached by a trafficker. But the same thing where you
find yourself in a situation where you don't feel you
have worth because you've been used for sex. The girls
in trafficking are sold 15 to 40 times a day,
and a person that doesn't end up in trafficking but
has their self-esteem taken. Maybe they've been raped in the
real world or abused in the real world, and then

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they typically become promiscuous. And that was my story. So
what's so interesting is when I ended up founding this
sex trafficking organization, you know, over a decade ago, as
I listened to the girls story, I mean, our stories
were the same up until about age 15 or 16.
Even the things that we chose, you know, you get
into the things that were stolen from you getting pregnant,
how they didn't have a choice of having an abortion

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and things just stolen from them, like my life was
very similar without an exchange of money. So it's an
interesting correlation. And I think that's why the world doesn't
have the compassion or understanding for trafficking. It's very easy
to say, oh, that happens over there, or that's just
a prostitute or she chose it. But if you hear
the stories of the little girl, so many of them
started in the church. They were abused by a youth leader,

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or their parents didn't know they started acting out. You know,
it's all these subtle things that people don't realize, and
that's why it's so much more prevalent. People have no
idea how prevalent it is in our world.

S1 (07:52):
Wow. And that's why I'm so glad we're having this conversation.
So I'm going to ask you a lot of what
I know from your vantage point are rudimentary questions, but
you're talking to people all across the country for whom
I would say the majority really don't have a point
of reference because we don't recognize the problem. We don't
understand how large it is. We're not seeing the signs,
the symptoms, or the role that we can play in
all of this. So let me go to the gal

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who suffers childhood sexual abuse but ends up being trafficking.
I understand that that brokenness is there. The idea of
somebody's got to love me, somebody's got to take care
of me. But a lot of people think that trafficking
results as a kind of form of kidnapping. Break that down.

S7 (08:29):
Right. Yeah, I love that you bring that up because
everyone's like, oh, the movie taken or, oh, a big
white van. And the truth is, less than 10% of
trafficking occurs through abduction. Less than 10%. Like a recent
story I was at, um, there was a summit at
the white House last a year ago June or 20
20th June, and there was an Indian chief. This tells

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you how much of a choice a child makes when
they sometimes they're groomed, sometimes they're not. We can get
into the more examples of it because I know we
have to take a break.

S1 (09:00):
Thank you. Yes. So let me pick it up at
what happened at the white House and this Indian chief,
so that we can be really begin to understand this.
Elizabeth Fisher good, by the way, kind of a John
Bunyan esque. She's doing such good in this area. She's
the co-founder and CEO of the foundation United. I have
a link on my information page so that you can
learn about it. And then I have another link on prevention.

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Janet parshall.org. This is in the market with Janet Parshall
and we're visiting with Elizabeth Fisher. Good, who's the co-founder
and CEO of the Foundation United. That is a catalytic
platform to end sexual exploitation and trafficking. And there's so
much you're going to learn this hour, perhaps misconceptions or

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just areas you really didn't completely understand. So, Elizabeth, if
I may, let me wind back the clock a little bit.
Let me take us back to that conference at the
white House and an Indian chief. I'm very anxious to
hear this story.

S7 (10:34):
Yeah, because I want to paint a couple of pictures
for your listeners, because trafficking is not what we think.
And it's not just that girl from that country. So
one example is when we make a child's world too small.
So we're always talking about, oh, sexual abuse and a
child that's at risk. But an example of that is
I was listening to an Indian chief tell his story.
He was on stage at the white House for the
summit that I was at, and he said our problem

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was we made our daughter's world too small. He said
we raised her. He was an Indian chief. They were
almost an hour out of town. They had their family,
their culture, their pride. And he said, but our daughter
got on social media and we weren't aware that she
was talking to what she thought was a boy, just
someone her age. And she started forming a bond. He

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started making her dream. He said to her, I could
make you a model. You're beautiful. You could be a
global model. So much so that he created this sense
of everything that could be. And all she had to
do was come and meet him. She found her own ride.
The closest McDonald's was 52 miles. The closest Walmart was
50 miles. She found her own ride to meet this boy, supposedly,

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and she got to town and she was trafficked for
two years. She was gone for two years before they
got her back, because she was lured with a story
of fame. So any child is vulnerable and we often
hear the story, you know, where there's sexual abuse under
the background and a little girl is abused. One program,
one girl in our program. She was 11 when she said,
at 11 years old, I just realized that the abuse

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and what was happening to me in my bedroom every
night from my dad with my brothers, anything had to
be better, she said. So at 11 years old, I
ran away, and when I hit the streets, I thought, okay,
this is going to be freedom. And the stats tell
us within 48 hours, 80% will be picked up. But
she was immediately approached by a 50 something man. And
he said to her, oh, I'll have sex with you

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and give you $10. Would you do that? And this
little girl with an 11 year old brain who had
been abused her whole life said, oh my gosh, $10.
I don't have to have sex with my dad. I
could buy McDonald's. This is going to be great. And
she said she had sex with the man. She took
the $10, but the next guy that came along was
a trafficker. And the girls would call him a Romeo
pimp or a gorilla pimp. And hers happened to be

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a gorilla. There was no Romeo pretending he loved her.
This guy was just abusive and he controlled her until
she was over 18 years old. So you have there's
pathways for both. And it's. And it's a girl that
willingly runs into the arms and just is thinking this
will be a better pathway than what I currently have.
So it's not the white man, it's not the movie taken,
it's not the abduction 10% is that, but it's a

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little girl or little boy that thinks I can find
a better way.

S1 (13:09):
Wow, I'm so glad we're having this conversation because there
is so much misinformation out there. So let me go
back to the girl who's had the gorilla pimp. How
does somebody like that get put back together? Where in
the world does one begin to restore, redeem and have
that person revalue themselves?

S7 (13:27):
Well, you know, this is why at the foundation, we
are so passionate about the front end of it. Because
I have run, I ran an organization with sex trafficking
safe houses for over a decade. You get a little
girl that comes to you. I say little girl because
even though she might be 18, 19, 20, 21, they're
typically sold for sex starting at the age of 11
or 12. 15 to 40 times a day for seven years.

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So the amount of things stolen. Think about all of
us with our children, you know. Oh, do they like
horseback riding? Do they like to color? Are they artistic?
Can they dance? Can they sing? We throw lessons to
pull out our children's talent constantly as we're raising them.
These children have been nothing but used for sex. So
when they come to us, they don't know how to dream.
Everything's been crushed. I mean, the Lord needs to restore

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every bit of their destiny, every bit of their identity.
And it's hard, you know, after over a decade of
doing it, even though you could have a success rate
of over 75%. Don't return to the streets. It is
hard to restore each of those moments and each of
those pieces that the enemy has stolen. And so that's
why now, like we still we have you know, you
said we're going to learn about the three P's provision,
protection and prevention. We are passionate. We will always take

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care and fund housing. But the front end changing systems,
like when you think about a girl like that, like
this girl said when she came to us at 18
that had been on the streets since she was 11,
she said, I used to sit at school and all
I thought about was, oh no, at 3:00 I have
to go home again. And this going to happen again
tonight and the next night and the next night, she said.
And I remember teachers just thinking I was stupid. I

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remember them saying, oh, she just can't learn. They didn't
know what they were looking at. So that's why now,
under the foundation, our passion is systemically getting ahead of it.
We have a program called Speak Up that is for
the public schools, for any school, private school. And it
matriculates kindergarten through 12th grade. And it's a train, the
trainer for the entire system. So they know what they're

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looking at so that a child is given language. But
what has happened, as we've been piloting it with Michigan
State and Yale University, that the staff has said, this
gives us language that wasn't even on our grid. We're
able to see things and it's prevention and protection for
the kids gets ahead of it. And then we do
training for law enforcement and judicial systems. We had created

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one of the first prostitution court diversion programs because they
used to, when we started back in the day, arrest
these 12 year olds and call them prostitutes. They were
just minor prostitutes and they were bothering these men. And
so now we've changed laws every year. But educating on
that front end of it, law enforcement will go through
training to this day, still thinking that these are minor
prostitutes and not know that laws have been changed. We

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trained 40 agencies in Connecticut, and the cop that had
been on there 20 years said, oh my gosh, it
was like walking in with one eye, walking out with two.
We had no idea what we were looking at. So
these kids, I mean, if we could get the systems
to recognize the stats of an ER doc, 87% of
ER doctors will stitch up a little girl and give
her right back to a trafficker because they have no

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idea what it looks like.

S1 (16:28):
But they're mandatory reporters. Why are they not being prosecuted
for not reporting.

S7 (16:33):
The the fear, the the the just the base. Not.
No knowledge. Lack of knowledge. Lack of knowledge. So we've
been training. What I can tell you is under the,
under the, um, we have a pillar called protection. And
the global strategic operative is the name of that program.
They have trained over 500,000 ER docs in the last
18 months. So, you know, our goal is that no

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doctor could say, well, I didn't know. I didn't know
what I was looking at. I had no idea. I
had no idea that that man sitting there because they
would let people come into the er room. Right. And
if a child's afraid to speak and she said, what happened?
Are you okay? They, they don't say anything. They're silenced.
They're terrified. So protocols are being taught on how to
separate a person from maybe someone that doesn't belong with them.

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So a lot is being learned. Oh.

S1 (17:18):
Wow. When we come back, I want to dig in
a little bit more into speak up student prevention, education
and advocacy for kids. So if prevention, the front end,
as Elizabeth said, is what's particularly crucial here not putting
broken people back together, as important as that is, what
do we do to prevent this? If one out of
three girls, one out of four boys are sexually assaulted,
something's horribly wrong here. Back after this. Elizabeth Fisher is

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the co-founder and CEO of the foundation United. And we
are talking about sexual exploitation, childhood sexual abuse, trafficking. And
there's so many things I want to get into. Elizabeth,
let me back this up a little bit. There is
a linkage from where you said, as I understand, between
trafficking and abortion, what's the connection?

S7 (18:12):
Well, I think with any sexual abuse, there's there's a
connection to abortion. At one point, I led Post-abortive recovery classes.
I created one of the first curriculums down in Florida.
I had women going through these classes, age 18 through 70,
that some women were elders in their churches, and they
came forward to talk about. They've never grieved, they've never
told anyone their secret of seven abortions, whatnot. But every

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single woman that went through that, through this post-abortive recovery
was a victim of childhood sexual abuse. And so with
these trafficking survivors, it's the same thing. They're forced or
they don't think they care. Once you're abused, something happens
to you. I was sexually abused, as you know. And
you know what? At 17, I had an abortion. What
I can tell you is something in you becomes deadened.

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Something in you thinks that you don't care when your
sexual gate is just broken. And in the case of trafficking,
repeatedly broken, and you just don't think you have value
and you've been used for sex, when it comes down
to the fact that you're about to have a baby
and you don't even know who you are, and you
might not know who the father is, something in you
is so dead that you don't even believe it's a choice.
You're just like, I have to, I have to. And

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so with trafficking, many times these men are telling them, oh, here,
let's go get you abortion. And they they have to
stay so numb. We had a little girl that she
was 20, 21 years old when she came to us
and she had been to rehab 23 times. She didn't
have an addiction problem. She just wanted to stay numb,
she said. Every morning I had a choice. I could
go into the day knowing I would have to sleep

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with 20 men, and I had a pile of drugs
on the toilet that I could take, and I chose
to be numb. I chose it rather than be present.
And I think when you are that used, there's something
in you that wants to numb out. And when you're
that numb, you don't know the loss. And that's why
later you come back and you do that healing and
that that grieving and that reconciliation of the mother's heart
that you should have had.

S1 (20:01):
Mm. Boy, I'm hoping that people really understand exactly how
much pain there is in all of this. I mean,
this is awful. So let me go. To speak up
because of prevention is the key here. And I agree
with you completely on that. How does that work? Particularly
because here's the conundrum. We've got a culture that's highly sexualized.
We have people that are in fact grooming. We are
introducing deviant behaviors to kindergartners and preschoolers. And there's a

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parents revolution as a result of this. Now, the flip
side of that is you have deviant behavior in sexual
childhood sexual abuse. So how do you strike that balance,
particularly in that younger demographic, to not speak fear into
their life, but to have them be situationally aware, cognizant
of what is right and what is wrong, and to
be able to have the liberty and the freedom to say,
not my fault. I need to tell somebody. How in

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the world do we strike that balance?

S7 (20:49):
Well, I love that you said deviant behavior. I love
that you said so many things that are just right
on the nose because, yeah, our children are being groomed
exponentially at such a young age. When I started in
this movement over a decade ago, the average age that
a little girl would post a naked selfie was 12. Now,
just ten years later, do you know the average age

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that a little girl will pose for a naked selfie?

S1 (21:14):
Oh, I'm afraid to ask.

S7 (21:15):
Seven.

S1 (21:18):
Oh my word.

S7 (21:19):
Seven years old. So we are. We are raising children
in Oversexualized. And what happens? Like parents have no idea.
First of all, the stats. Just to help the audience
understand one out of nine, one out of nine children.
Doesn't matter what zip code you be in the North
Shore or Chicago, you could be in rural Texas, you
could be in any zip code. But one out of
nine of our children, every day, every given moment, are

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being groomed on social media. The minute a child posts
a profile, the predators are just there, constantly scouring. They're looking,
they're looking, they're looking. If they see a new 11
year old picture go up, they are all over it.
The FBI has done countdowns, you know, 30, 29, 28, 27.
How many men engage? Hey. You're beautiful. Hi, honey. You're
lean a little closer. Can I see a closer picture? Hey,

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just take your shirt down a little. They will lead
a child to to showing themselves sexually, seductively, promiscuously, which
immediately builds shame. And once there is a foothold of shame,
a child is basically under ownership. You can get them
to do anything. So this curriculum that we have created
speak up for the schools and we have a curriculum

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for the churches called Real Talk. We'll talk about that later.
But for the schools, it's system systemically matriculates with the kids.
So the K through two, it's not scary at all.
It's it's empowering. It teaches them safety. It teaches them
how to you know, what's an interesting thing? We've added
to it this concept. And when it's younger we don't
speak to it with this name, but gaslighting. And you

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know what gaslighting is? It's having somebody not trust their
own instinct. It's when someone else is trying to change
your reality. So when you're young and you feel yucky
in your tummy and you know something's wrong, but someone's
trying to make you believe, it's not like it's just
empowering and teaching the simplest of things. The difference between
a secret and a surprise. An adult never needs a

(23:06):
child to keep a secret for them, but a surprise
like a party when everyone yells surprise, everyone's happy. And
it has so many basic tenets that just empower a child.
But what's so wonderful about it is that it empowers
the system too. It teaches the teachers, the language that
a child's going to learn how to identify X amount
of adults that they call safe adults, and that you

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might be in that triangle of trust. And there's so
many different aspects, and these children are getting raised with
a whole new language that didn't exist and wasn't on
the grid when we were when we were raised, you know,
we were just told, stranger danger, don't go near that
car on the street. Right. But here.

S1 (23:41):
Exactly.

S7 (23:42):
It's who you kind of know who pretends to be someone. Hey,
your mom told me to tell you, and. Hey, don't
you think. Don't you trust that your mom told me like.
And it's just such a deceptive, dark, deviant world. So
this is just the building blocks to protection, especially with
some of the other curriculum being introduced to our kids.
How to really, really trust themselves.

S1 (24:03):
Exactly right. Oh my gosh, this hour is going far
too quickly. I have a thousand questions. I do want
to get into real talk. I want to know how
this differs, particularly when it's used in the church. Um,
and I want to know what we do just to
start looking around, what to quicken us. If prevention is
number one and it has to be how do we
intercede if we suspect something's wrong? You know, people are

(24:24):
afraid they're not getting outside their own comfort zone. It's
risky to do that kind of stuff. So teach us
how to have real discernment in this particular area as well.
Elizabeth Fisher Good is doing an awful lot of good.
She is the co-founder and CEO of the Foundation United,
really working to end sexual exploitation and human trafficking. You
go girl. Back after this. There's a sense of anxiety

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with Janet Parshall. We are visiting with Elizabeth Fisher Goode,

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who's the co founder and CEO of the Foundation United.
That is a catalytic platform designed to end sexual exploitation. Wow.
May it be. And trafficking through systemic change. Wonderful, wonderful program.
You're hearing about this school program called Speak Up. We're
taking a look at the three P's so crucial to
all of this prevention, protection and provision. And I praise

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God that even though Elizabeth was wounded and has trauma
in her own life, she's turned around, as so often
is the case, and takes what God has provided to
her in terms of comfort and has turned, turning around
and helping others who are wounded as well. And I
heard a staggering four figure number of the people that
you have helped. Elizabeth. It's just amazing. Are you and

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I have a thousand questions, but just on a personal note,
is the foundation or you personally, are you able to
stay in contact with so many of these people because
your lives intersect, you help, and then they go and
you wonder, where are they five years from now. You know,
how are they seeing themselves? Are they recognizing how they're
seen through heaven's eyes? So important here.

S7 (26:25):
Yeah. There's so many different stories. And you stay connected
to some and some, you know, you might hear from.
I had one girl call me. Four years later, she's like,
I just need advice. I'm like, oh, it's so great
to hear your voice. So it's all over. I was
ran into one to a different church the other day,
and one of the girls was there. I was like,
oh my gosh, it's amazing. So you don't know. You
just know that the enemy. I always say, I believe

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that when we were born, right, you're up in heaven
and the Lord's like, oh, here comes the baby. And
then along comes like little conveyor belt. Here comes the baby.
Here comes purpose. The minute if we make it from
the womb. Right? The enemy would love to get us
in the womb. But if we are born the minute
we are born, it is a battle. And the enemy
would love to kill that purpose. And so these girls.
I used to say, you're like 1 in 1,000,000. What
are the chances of over the hundreds of thousands of

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sex trafficked victims? You make it to this house, to
this bed, for this program. Like there is a calling
on your life. It life. It is a miracle that
you're one out of a million. And so I just
think that every person has the ability to be completely restored.
And these gifts are being stolen exponentially, exponentially. You know,
the same stat one out of three people have abortions.
One out of three are sexually abused. You know, there's

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something going on here that's killing our future leaders in many, many,
many ways. So we are doing everything.

S1 (27:35):
Possible.

S7 (27:35):
To just turn it around.

S1 (27:37):
I, I hope people are telling you on a regular
basis how important you are, and the work that you're
doing is so profound, and you're just the right person
with just the right heart to be delivering just the
right message. I'm so thankful for the work that you do.
Let me go back to something you said before, and
maybe it's because I'm in Washington, but I just. Oh,
it gets on my last nerve that we're not following
through with prosecution like we should. I'll give him a

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hat tip. I think there's some improvement in this area.
But you talked earlier about arresting a child because they were, quote,
a prostitute. What about the pimp? What about the John?
Why are you going after the girl? I don't understand.
This is a world turned upside down. Talk to me
about it.

S7 (28:16):
It is well. And it's broken. And it's a corrupt
system of of hiding the predator. Did you see? I just,
you know, people text me all the time. Did you
see this, Elon? Elon Musk tweeted on Twitter, um, for
things I'll never see in my lifetime. And he had
like a dinosaur unicorn. Something else. Then he wrote, um, Giselle,
Max Lane's book of John's. You know, the buyers from. Wow. Um, Epstein. Like,

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why does nobody care about that? Why are they not?
I mean, it's just fascinating, all of this. Oh, we
love children. We care about children. But we know, like
you said, the buyers like this is not going to
stop until you shut down. Like, even if you there's
a supply chain and there's so many things happening that
they are being consumed by people in high level power.

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You don't even know who. And and we're not doing
anything about it. So it's just absurd to me. So
I am all about coming after and coming into the places.
Because you know what? People get into these first responder
jobs because they have something in them where they want
to be heroes. They get desensitized over the years. They
sort of don't know what they don't know. You know,
they're coming at it, eyes wide open. So to educate

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these guys and to see the light bulbs go off,
when I hear a cop have everything change, because when
we started this in 2012, law enforcement's like, get out
of here. What do you mean? You know something we
don't know? They were so annoyed.

S1 (29:32):
Back.

S7 (29:33):
Then. Like you, little lady, with your purse, like keep moving.
And like no.

S8 (29:37):
No no no no. And they, you know, get mandated
to go through this training.

S7 (29:41):
But like, when you see the paradigm shift and you
see the epiphany, I have this one cop, Dimitri Konstantopoulos,
he's this Greek guy. He was in the force. He's
a captain. And he said, you know what? I used
to hate this population. Like, hated this population because these
girls were so belligerent. Because think about it. If you're
a 19 year old, 20 year old girl and you've
been on the streets since you were 11 or 12,

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and a cop keeps arresting you, throwing you in jail,
he used to say, they spit on me. They hit
me with their shoes. He's like, I don't want to
hear your story about how they're a victim. But when
the whole thing shifted and he finally got that, that
he had five kids, this could have been his daughter.
This could have been his daughter. That maybe the guy
at his church was abusing and she couldn't take it anymore,

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and she ran away, and he had no idea of
knowing where she ended up. But she was on the
streets in another town, and this is what had happened
to her. Like everything in him shifted, and he got weepy.
I remember him being on stage at one of our
first graduation ceremonies and he says, you know what? He said,
I was raised in the church. My father, who was
Greek Orthodox, Dimitri Konstantopoulos, he was Greek Orthodox, he said.
But I had gotten so hardened. Being in this line

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of work made me so jaded. He said, but when
I finally saw what was going on here and was
able to change it, and he was part of creating
one of the first, um, prostitution court diversion systems where
they're actually vacating because these girls, they used to arrest
them like every three prostitution misdemeanor arrest, three of them
equal to felony. We would get an 18 year old

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with 18 felonies for being arrested for minor prostitution. So
he said, I've reached the point. He said, these girls,
now they see me and they run to us. They're like,
help me. And they know we're going to help them.
We're actually protecting them. So it like empowers these guys
for what they were made to be. So to me,
it's like fixing broken systems, awakening deadened pathways, like it's

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everything that the Lord would be all over in the
world loves to deaden.

S1 (31:35):
Mhm. Elizabeth, how do you keep going? I mean, there's
some really hard stories here and you really have a
front row seat to a sin sick fallen world and
you could say, okay, been there, done it. I've had
it up to here. I'm moving on. But you don't
you stay in the fight. What keeps you going?

S7 (31:50):
You know what I tell you? The warfare is the
craziest I've ever seen, right? But you know, the victory
and the. And I think just the miracles, like things
happen that you couldn't make happen. Like, every day we're like,
we can't make this stuff up. Like, you'll get this
crazy gift or someone will, you know, just it's just
exceptional things happen that you just know God's in it.
I've never felt more in my calling, more in my passion,

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especially with this arm that we're rolling out now for
the church. Like, to me, I believe the local church
should be the answer of the world. Like we should
be the place that can change everything, and we've become
just the opposite. You know, people are running from church
and I feel like all of this, I feel like
my last 30 years has just been perfect preparation for

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where I am right now. And I feel like every
single one of my gifts, you know, like when I
talked about the conveyor belt, I was born for this,
made for this, born to battle. I feel like I've
battled my entire life to get to this point, and
I'm finally in my sweet spot, so it's beautiful, actually.
So believe it or not, I've never felt more encouraged
about what I get to do.

S1 (32:48):
Oh. Oh, wow, that's so good to hear. All right,
talk to me about the church. Talk to me about
real talk. And how does this differ in teaching the
church as opposed to teaching police officers and teachers?

S7 (32:59):
Well, it differs only because, you know, the world can say, oh,
we don't know any better. We're supposed to know no
better in the church. You know the basic tenets of
confess your sins one to another, and that the prayer
of a righteous man has authority to heal. We're hiding
our sins, you know. And even the ability to speak
about what's been done to us. You know, so often

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when I'm rolling out these groups or training, I say,
you know, confess your sins one to another. That's maybe
a sin that was done to you or a secret
you're keeping about another person in the church. We are
full of secrets. There's a study. Columbia University did a
study that says that the average person has 13 secrets
at any given time, and five of which they've never

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uttered out loud to another human being. And they are
typically sexually sexual in nature or about deviant behavior. And
when you think that this is across. Yeah, across the scale,
any any setting, any population and knowing that in church
our stats match the world, there's no difference. And I
think that's what breaks my heart because I think it
breaks the Lord's heart. You know, this is his bride.

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This is his bride, and we're not pure at all.
And so if our stats are matching, you know, they
focus on the family came out with it's the most
conservative study, but it's focused on the family. So you know,
it's got to be at least legit. But 50%, 50%
of men in the church and they say up to 75%.
So between 50 and 75% of pastors are just men.
I have an addiction to pornography, and that's the same

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as the world. And so if we are the church
and we're supposed to be guarding children and we I mean,
every single sex trafficking sting that I have watched or
we've been part of for the last decade always has
a pastor, always has a youth group leader, always has
a teacher. I'm like, dear Lord, you know, so I
am just, you know, if we it's the same thing.

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You raise up a generation of children. So for the church,
the program called Real Talk, it starts kindergarten through leadership.
And I don't call it a program or curriculum because
that's like, oh, I bought it, I did it. Check
the box. What I tell churches is this has to
be part of your language. It has to become your culture.
It's part of onboarding your staff. It's part of your
freedom curriculum. That's just always happening because kids come to church.

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Maybe they miss the week you did it, or maybe
they're not there for that summer. And and it teaches
children a whole different language with a biblical framework about
being empowered and freedom and and how worthy they are.
And it ties in all of the tenets of what
we're doing out in the secular world, but with the extra,
because God made you this way and you have to
have a voice, you have to speak up when it

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goes through sixth grade, through eighth grade and ninth grade
through 12th grade. And it has it for its curriculum
part called Every Man and Every Woman. And it gets
these stories to come out. It gets the stuff. Often
we will share, but we won't share that last 2%,
that last 2%. That really still holds the shame. And
that's the open door. That is the enemy's carte blanche

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to take someone out and to, you know, all these
pastors that these platforms that are falling, their pedestals are
too high. That's because they shades of grey. Of secrets
they've kept. So we have tracks for leaders just to
walk into freedom. And the results have been beautiful. Absolutely beautiful.

S5 (36:09):
Wow.

S1 (36:10):
Are you hearing the richness in this conversation? You know,
it all begins with the house of the Lord, right?
That's what Scripture says. So in our stats look an
awful lot like the rest of the world. We get
some house cleaning to do, and I praise God that
he raises up people like Elizabeth to say, listen, we
can help you. We can come alongside. So this real
talk is just one aspect of the prevention part of

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the foundation. United. I've got it linked on my website.
I've also got a link directly to Speakup, which is
the program for schools, but go to her website. Pastors
in particular. Check out the Real Talk program for churches
as well. I'm glad I have more time with Elizabeth.
I need it back after this. I really love it

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when the church gets authentic and deals with real problems
out there and human trafficking, child sexual abuse, sexual exploitation.
Those are absolutely real. And I said it before and
I'll say it again. And you know this, you know this,
that it's heartbreaking when we see that behaviors are not
very distinctive sometimes in the church from the world. And
yet we are passing through. We're in, but not of

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this world. We're supposed to be living epistles, ambassadors for Christ,
all of those monikers that Scripture gives us as representatives
of Jesus Christ and our behavior and our choices should
reflect that. But we do live in a fallen world.
And these kinds of horrible, ugly, awful, damaging programs that
come from the pit of hell or problems come from
the pit of hell require a solution. And that's where

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Elizabeth Fisher Good comes in. She has been fighting the
good fight on this. You know, one of the monikers
for Elizabeth, by the way, is Eternal Purpose Coach, which
has a whole lot to do with that coming down
the chute before you're born. And God has a purpose
for you when you believe that. And that's exactly what
Scripture teaches, by the way. It helps someone understand when
they feel so unredeemable how redeemed they have been. And

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that's really what I want to touch on right now,
because we've touched quickly on some two of the three P's.
We've been talking about prevention, protection. I want to talk
about provision. What does that look like at the foundation?

S7 (38:10):
Yeah. You know what? Um, we vary because we are supporting,
you know, having run sex trafficking safe houses for over
a decade. You understand what goes into them and you're
always looking for best practices. Is there a better way?
Is there a newer way? Is there a better model.
And there's something new that we're really looking at. And
I think this is interesting, especially being on Moody right now. Um,

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there's a model that it's through the Catholic Church, believe
it or not, and they have come out with, I
guess all, you know, nuns are all called to a
different order. And there was an order back in the
day of nuns that were called to women of the night.
And somehow over the years, I know they had lost
their way and they've been serving the geriatric population. So

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so I don't know what happened there, but, you know,
maybe redeeming love and everything coming back. But there's there's
this priest and he's out of Baton Rouge, and he
he sort of went on a journey to restore this order.
So there is this order of nuns out of Nigeria
that they are now back on track to women of
the night. And what I can tell you, when we
did run safe housing, when I was the head of

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it and created it, the biggest downfall is staffing. And
you get these little 20 somethings coming out with their
master's degree, and it's really just a stepping stone, and
they don't really want to work these long hours and
to have these nuns. So he has been doing it
and has existed for quite a few years, but I've
just learned about it. So we we support different models.
So this is our newest model because what they're doing
is using old monasteries. So old convents that are vacant

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buildings and they have all this property. And then you
bring in these nuns, you still have to have your
clinical directors and whatnot. But these nuns that go through serious,
you know, spiritual, make sure they're not nasty nuns. Right.
But healing nuns and, and these girls are brought into
these environments, and I'm seeing that it's working. So we
tend to rotate on it. You know, every couple of
years we have another focus. And we've helped, um, you know,

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organizations here in America. In the last couple of years,
we helped an organization out of Romania called Uncaged. And
Romania is the epicenter of sex trafficking. 87% of, um,
I'm sorry, 78% of survivors in Europe are Romanian. That interesting?
And so, um, they they know they built this beautiful

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sanctuary in Romania, and they're just restoring, especially now with
everything happening in Ukraine. So that's been a focus of ours.
But now we're sort of pivoting also to look at
this new model with the nuns. So I will keep
you posted because it seems to have amazing, amazing outcomes
at a fraction of the cost. And that's a big
piece of it, because the money to restore a life

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versus the money to prevent it, you know, you can't
even compare.

S1 (40:47):
Absolutely. Ounce of prevention, pound of cure. It still works today.
Let me go back to the to the woman who's
been the woman who's been trafficked. Um, one of my
prayers in this area, and I remember talking to the
gal who headed a ministry called hookers for Jesus. And
I know a lot of people are going to say, well,
that hits the ears hard, but it's a wonderful ministry.
And she is awesome. And she's in Nevada and she

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deals with women who have been in the sex industry
and helps them put back together. Here's what I want
to do. I just have this burden that we are
changed to be like Christ. And if there's anything and
there's a myriad of attributes that define our Savior, but
one of them is compassion. Every time I read in
the scriptures and he had compassion on them, I get
a lump in my throat, because that's not a point,

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a point where I would necessarily mete out compassion. But
it's where Jesus does. So what is it that he sees?
Or how does he respond? That I can learn how
to have a compassionate heart? And one of them is
this in this particular area, I don't know if it's
Hollywood or novels or whatever it is, that somehow we
have painted these girls with the fishnet stockings and the
high heels up against the brick wall and slowly dragging

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on a cigarette. Do you know anybody that you grew
up in high school that signed their yearbook? I can't
wait to be a street worker. I mean, no girl
wants to be this or boy for that. Boy wants
to be that way. But. So how do we change
the perspective? They go, well, you have a choice. Well,
you you've been spending almost an hour with me, Elizabeth.
Do they really have a choice? Because if we were
to take the choice business off the table, would you

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change your heart toward these women and men?

S7 (42:13):
There are so many things I want to say to you.
Like you were just awesome. The way you tee this up,
you're brilliant. You must be a professional singer. But you
must be really good at this. No, I always say,
you know, when your little grandchild or your daughter was
6 or 7 years old and they're sitting on your knee,
and what do you want to be when you grow up? Oh,
I want to be a ballerina. Do you ever think

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that any of them would ever say, oh, I hope
to be used for sex 20 times a day by
a sweaty 60 year old man? Never, never. How could
we say that's a calling? And then these men that
are like, hey, you know, I go to the strip club,
I'm just helping them out. I'm paying for college. I said, oh,
I get it. You know what? That might be a
great opportunity. Would you let your daughter come and intern

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for me? Because we have this program where fathers are
putting their daughters in strip clubs. I'm like, what are
you talking about? So it's like, you have to, like,
turn them on their heads to get them to think
about it. But honestly, I mean, the the, the, the
road that these girls take and the lies that they
believe and the way that we are grooming them, um,

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it's just a matter of reinstating and them that they
were made for more and it's, it's, it's in there
and we're trying to get ahead of it so desperately.
And I want to share a story with you. I
don't know if I have time, but there's a story
called Sweet 16 and Never Been Kissed. But two things
I've always told my staff. If you think you want
to work with this population, you want to check out
your compassion. You need to watch Madea Goes to Jail

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and read the book Redeeming Love, which is now a movie.
So those two things will, you know, measure your compassion
right there.

S1 (43:44):
Wow. That's our assignment and our takeaway. Oh, Elizabeth, that
arrow went far too quickly. I thank God on a
regular basis that because of the humbling opportunity I have
to sit in front of a microphone, I get to
meet people like you, and I'm thrilled a we're going
to spend time in eternity together. I truly am, but
b that I can turn around then and talk to
people all over the United States and say, let me
tell you about the Foundation United. Let me tell you

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about sex trafficking. Let me tell you about prevention. Let
me tell you about brokenness. Let me tell you about
the linkage between childhood sexual abuse and human trafficking. You
are the expert. All I get to do is open
the microphone. And I'm thrilled when God does just that. Elizabeth.
Thank you. I want our friends to learn more about
the Foundation United. So I've got it linked on our
info page. Go to in the market with Janet Parshall

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red box. It says program details and audio. Click it
on Take Show to the information page. There's Elizabeth's beautiful face,
a little more of her bio. And on the right
hand side there is a link to the school program,
the Speak Up program at school. But don't forget real
talk for the church. Thank you so much, friends. I
hope your heart's been changed. We'll see you next time.