April 23, 2025 • 44 mins
Who is the antichrist-- -and how will we recognize him when he appears? What advance signs will herald his rise to power? Does God’s Word identify him as the military leader “Gog” in Ezekiel? Disputing recent speculation that this mysterious figure could be a Muslim or a Jew, Dr. Ron Rhodes will explore what Scripture does and doesn’t tell us. Learn more about this fascinating topic.
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Here are some of the news headlines we're watching.
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The conference was over. The president won a pledge.
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Americans worshiping government over God.
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Extremely rare safety move by a nation.
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17 years. The Palestinians and Israelis negotiated.
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There is a specific Antichrist spoken of in revelation, but
there are also preceding antichrists in the world that are.
Paul even warns about in his letters. I'm not sure
as to how to interpret the Antichrist as spoken of
in revelation. I know that there are many who do like,
explicitly try and say what he will look like, where
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he'll be from, what he will do. Revelation is a
tricky apocalyptic genre. At least that's the way it falls into.
And so, and I have not given it that kind
of attention necessary to really fully articulate a position on it.
I would say that there is such a thing as
the Antichrist. How that will be expressed, who that will be,
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what that will look like. I'm not at a place,
that's to say.
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Well, I want you to know that is exactly why
that's our topic this hour. Hello, friends. Welcome to In
the Market with Janet Parshall. Having a good day? I
hope so. And if not, well, I hope this hour
makes you feel better. Makes you understand that Christ is
still on the throne. That you woke up this morning
and his tender mercies were renewed. His grace was sufficient
for the day, and nothing and no one can separate
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you from the love of Christ. Make you feel better
because everything else is mashed potatoes compared to that. Those
are the absolutes every single day. Great is thy faithfulness,
O God, my father. Yea, I know, but remember, this
is not as good as it gets. We're this side
of glory. We're in the muck and mire. In a
world turned upside down. Where good is called evil. Evil
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is called good. And mostly folks are doing what's right
in their own eyes, I get it. So that's why
we're going to have a conversation about the Antichrist, because
I want us to look homeward. Okay? Look homeward. Angel.
That was a great famous book. Once upon a time,
I'm going to rip the title, because that's really what
we're going to do is we're going to look homeward.
Those of us who have confessed with our mouth that
Jesus is Lord and believe in our heart that God
has raised him from the dead. We shall be. What?
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Say it together. Saved. Yeah, I heard that all the
way from Guam to the Cayman Islands. You betcha. That's
good news. So don't you want to know something about
what's going to happen? I mean, we don't know definitively.
There's some things we know, some things we don't know.
It is a mysterious thing. It should be. Paul talks
about the mystery. I don't know about you, but don't
you want to wait? I mean, some of these things.
I don't need a complete, definitive now, all right? Just
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like I know where I'm heading. Bound. He's in charge.
I'm not. And I'm. I'm ready whenever it happens. But
it's fascinating to be able to examine the information he
has given to us in those love letters. 66 of them,
Genesis to revelation. Each word inspired, inerrant, transcended, immutable, the
same yesterday, today, and forever. So who wouldn't want to
get into that book? That's what we're going to do
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this hour. And we're going to talk about unmasking the Antichrist.
Just a few questions people have. Who do you think
our teacher is going to be? Well, he comes to
visit on a regular basis and he's brilliant. He's got
a bunch of initials after his name, but what he
does so brilliantly. And I've seen this for, well, more
years than I care to identify on radio. This wonderful
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man who can teach apologetics at Veritas Evangelical Seminary in
California or at Dallas Theological Seminary or at Talbot or Biola.
And that doesn't count the schools he himself went to
when he's not teaching, it's seminars. When he's not writing
over 70 books, he has a ministry called reasoning from
the scriptures Ministry. And that's what he does. He takes
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these issues that sometimes can be lofty. They seem like
they're out of our reach. They seem like they're, well,
you got to be a theologian to get it. Do
you think the Lord gave us that book so only
theologians could understand it? No no no no no no.
He did it so that none would perish. All would
know the truth, and we would be set free as
a result of what's contained in that book. So Doctor
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Ron Rhodes, if you guessed it, and one of the
many books he's written is one on the Antichrist called
Unmasking the Antichrist Dispelling the myths, discovering the truth. So again,
that's our topic this hour. 87754836750. Ron, you know how
much these these look and feel like radio interviews. But
I got my Bible out. I got my books. Open
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class is in session. And you're the teacher. And I
love this class. So thank you for being here.
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Janet. It's my pleasure. And you know, you mentioned mashed potatoes.
You know, I really like mashed potatoes a lot. But
I agree with you that waking up in the morning
and experiencing the new mercies of the Lord is so
much better. And so that's one of the reasons why
I really enjoy being a Christian. You know, no matter
what happens the rest of the day, I can begin
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my day anew, knowing that the Lord's mercies are new
each and every morning.
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Yes, I'll tell you, that'll get you out of bed,
regardless of what set of circumstances you currently find yourself in.
That's what keeps us going. And Ron, one of the
reasons why I love these conversations that we have with
you and we can talk and have and will, Lord willing,
talk about so many different subjects that you write on,
but I particularly love these conversations about the end times
and the Antichrist, because this isn't about fear. This isn't
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about trying to do a decoder ring for the Book
of Revelation. It's about getting excited about his glorious appearing
because he is coming again, and we're just reading about
part of the elements of what are going to take
place there. So thank you for writing a book just
about the Antichrist. And one of the things you do
beautifully is take a look at some of the different
concepts of the Antichrist. So let me just ask some
real rudimentary questions. The lines are already starting to light up. Friends,
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you lead this. Okay, I'm just going to host back
and forth. You come with your questions and Ron will answer.
But is the Antichrist a real person and is he
a supernatural being or a human being?
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Well, that's a great place to begin. You know, there
have been people who have interpreted the Antichrist as an
institution of evil, or maybe the principal of evil, kind
of like Uncle Sam personifies America. Maybe the Antichrist personifies
all evil in the world, but I think he will
be a literal human being. In fact, in second Thessalonians
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two he is called a man of sin. And in
the book of Revelation, you know which you mentioned earlier,
he's portrayed as a person and he speaks like a person.
He acts like a person and he is treated like
a person. Now, Janet, you and I know that if
it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck,
it's a duck. Well, likewise, you have all of these
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personal attributes of this man of sin. And so I
think it's going to be a literal man, and I
think it's going to be a very charismatic personality. Not
charismatic in the sense of spiritual gifts, but charismatic in
the sense of being able to mesmerize crowds around the world.
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Yeah, like a rock star. Absolutely. All right. We're just
getting started. And already we've got great questions. So come
on board. Ask your questions about the Antichrist, because we
all have a lot of them, by the way. And
if this segues into the bigger conversation about the end times,
that's highly appropriate as well. Doctor Ron Rhodes is with us.
What a great hour we always have with Doctor Rhodes.
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He has been called by many names. The lawless one.
The beast. The arch. Deceiver. But most know him as
the Antichrist.
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The most evil character in human history. That will make
Hitler and Stalin pale in comparison.
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He is at the crux of an apocalyptic vision of
salvation and slaughter that millions of people share.
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40 or 50% of Americans who say they believe in
key elements of the end time scenario, which includes the
rise of the Antichrist.
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He is the central figure in the world's most popular
doomsday prophecy, and some say they know his profile.
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If you're looking for the Antichrist, you look for somebody
who's very attractive, very articulate, brilliant. Um, someone who would
know many languages.
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Above all, he represents a paradox. The Antichrist is pure evil,
but true believers look for his coming with anticipation.
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The Antichrist is going to be an agent of destruction,
of death, of worldwide catastrophe. And yet in the apocalyptic communities,
nothing is more looked forward to with jubilation and expectation
than the emergence of this Antichrist.
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Whether fact or fiction, his role is clear. The Antichrist
is Satan's human emissary on Earth, and some say signs
of his work and presence are all around us.
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I believe that the Antichrist is very much alive right
now in Europe somewhere.
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As you look at the Bible and you look at
the news, it goes hand in hand. And to me
it's absolutely amazing.
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Ready or not, here he comes. But who is he?
The Antichrist or a mass delusion?
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Well, that's where we're having this conversation, by the way.
That's audio from a History Channel special on the Antichrist.
Now you can take the History Channel's take on this. Okay.
And they had some good people in those clips we played.
Or you can go to the Word of God. I
prefer the latter, by the way, and that's why Doctor
Ron Rhodes is here. President of reasoning from the scriptures ministry.
He's got a book that speaks right to this topic
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Unmasking the Antichrist, dispelling the myths, discovering, Discovering the truth.
I have fabulous questions online. So that's exactly where I'm
going to the phones. John, I'm going to start with
you in Vermont. Welcome, sir. And your question for Ron.
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Uh, I'm aware that the in the Muslim religion, they
believe that their 12th imam comes back at the end
of time. They also believe that Jesus comes back at
the end of time. But their Jesus ain't the one
that we believe in. Their Jesus denies being the Son
of God, tells people to fall down and worship him
the motherhood and whoever doesn't is killed. And I was
thinking that he's going to come up out of Islam also.
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They're a great part of the people that go against
Warren and Israel. And that's a big part of the end, too.
What do you think about that? They're supposed to fake
Jesus that comes back at the end of time because
he fulfills what it says in the book of Thessalonians.
He denies being the Son of God, which in Islam,
they believe that Jesus comes back at the end and
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does just that.
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Well, you're right about that, in fact. In Islam, Jesus
is not the Son of God. Neither is God considered
the father. And the reason they say that is that
they believe that that communicates the idea that somehow the
father engaged in relations and procreated Jesus as a literal
father on earth would do. And so to them, that's
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a blasphemous idea in their thinking. Jesus is not part
of the Trinity, the second person of the Trinity, but
rather is a prophet to Israel. No more and no less.
The greatest prophet of all is Muhammad. And so they
would say Jesus is lesser than Muhammad. Now, in terms
of the end times, they do say that Jesus Christ
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will come back and will be a servant of the
Mahdi and will be involved in leading the world, uh, to,
to Islam. And then he will die a natural death
and he will be resurrected. Now you can see that
that's a completely different Jesus than the Bible. But didn't
the Bible warn us about this? In fact, in Matthew
seven we're warned about false Christs. And then again in
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Matthew chapter 24, where Jesus is talking about the tribulation period.
He specifically warns his followers about those who would teach
a false Christ. And so I think that's very relevant,
especially since this was written to Christians. Why warn Christians
about this idea of a false Christ? Well, apparently Christians
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can be deceived. And because of that, Jesus wanted us
to know the truth beforehand.
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Mm. Thank you, John, I appreciate it. And if I may,
let me pick up something that you said because I
think this is a question. It's a universal. And a
lot of people wonder where he's going to come from.
So this is when world history, I think, has a
forbearance on this conversation, Ron. So if he's going to
come well, here's my it's a rhetorical question, but I'll
ask it first. Will he come out of the Roman Empire?
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If the answer to that question is yes, this is
where world history comes into play. We need to think
way beyond Rome because this was a hugely expansive kingdom.
So if he comes from the Roman Empire, that's a big,
big swath of land covering the vast majority of the
European continent, isn't it?
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Well, it is. We know that the Antichrist will be Roman,
because in Daniel 12 it talks about how the Antichrist
would emerge from the people that overran Jerusalem and destroyed
the temple. Now, who was it that overran Jerusalem and
destroyed the temple? Well, we know that it was Titus
and his Roman warriors, and that took place back in A.D. 70. And,
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of course, the Roman Empire continued to exist until it
essentially kind of fizzled out about, you know, somewhere around
the fifth century. But the fact of the matter is
that it was huge. I mean, there were, um, just
an expanse of territory that was part of the Roman Empire. Now,
what's interesting, especially interesting on the Antichrist, is the fact
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that there's going to be a revived Roman Empire in
the end times. And this revived Roman Empire is going
to be the political, uh, territory from which the Antichrist
will eventually attain world dominion. So he starts out in
a Roman Empire, but then he attains world dominion by
the middle of the tribulation period. And so you're looking
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at someone who's going to be perhaps the greatest ruler
of all time, with the exception of God himself.
S1 (16:48):
Wow. Doctor Ron Rose is with us. We are unmasking
the Antichrist this hour. This is based on his book
by the same title, Dispelling the Myths and Discovering the Truth.
Our number (877) 548-3675. We've got a lot of folks online.
If you've got a question when you hear me say goodbye,
get online. Because I'd like to get your question as well. (877) 548-3675.
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The word Antichrist has been used throughout history to demonize everyone,
from popes to presidents to pop stars. It has been
a rallying cry and a death knell. Triggering passions both
deadly and divine. And yet, Antichrist, perhaps the most highly
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charged word in the Christian lexicon, is buried in the Bible,
where it appears in minor passages just a handful of times.
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Probably coming as a surprise to most people. The word
Antichrist only appears in about the two most obscure books
that you can find in the Bible First John and
second John, two very short letters.
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According to scholars, these letters or epistles, were written near
the end of the first century A.D. during this period,
Christians were fighting fiercely among themselves about whether Jesus, the
Son of God, had actually existed in the flesh.
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And every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ
has come in the flesh is not of God. And
this is the spirit of the Antichrist.
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And he defines them in terms of those who deny
the humanity of Jesus. So we can see this writing
is against the backdrop of the developing Gnostic version of Christianity.
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And that's why you fact check when you're watching the
History Channel. So I'm going to go to the word
because that's far more authoritative on this topic. Doctor Ron
Rhodes is with us, President of reasoning from the scriptures ministry.
And there's a couple of things intimated there. And then
I have every line lit. So I promise to make
my question short. The fact that there are two short
mentions in two small books, I think, was an attempt
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to somehow minimize the impact of the Antichrist, and he
almost just went up to the line. But he didn't
say that because of the time in which it was written.
Maybe it was referring to a Roman leader at the time.
Unpack that for me. Ron. Is there is that approach
right or wrong?
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Well, that's a wrong approach. I mean, it amounts to
saying that because it's only mentioned in two books, it
couldn't possibly be true because nobody else believes it. And
the fact of the matter is, is that, um, it's
true that the word occurs in those epistles, but the
fact is, is that there are other references that quite
clearly refer to the Antichrist. Just to give you one example,
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I'm thinking about second Thessalonians two, where he's called the
man of sin. Uh, it's also very interesting that we
witness a parallel between the seal judgments and the Olivet Discourse,
in which Jesus is preaching to his followers, and there
are direct parallels between Jesus's comments and his sermon in
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the Olivet Discourse and the unfolding of the sealed judgments,
one of which is the Antichrist. In fact, the first
Seal judgment involves a man who comes forth riding a horse.
He comes forth conquering and to conquer, and he has
a sword, and he has a bow without an arrow,
indicating that he comes with military power. But he doesn't
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emerge into a world dominion through military power, but will
soon use it. And then in Jesus's Olivet Discourse, he
makes reference to these false Christs, and the greatest false
Christ is the Antichrist. Now, what we're doing, Janet, is
that we're doing theology. When we're doing theology. What we
want to do is to consult all the verses in
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the Bible that deal with the particular topic, and then
to come up with a composite viewpoint. That's what we
do with the doctrine of God. That's what we do
with the doctrine of Jesus. That's what we do with
the gospel. In fact, every major doctrine is based upon
the fact that the whole of Scripture is examined with
all the different verses that pertain to a particular subject,
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and we put those together to form our composite view.
And when you do that, there's just a whole lot
of verses that talk about the Antichrist. It's not just
isolated to first and second John, but even if it
were isolated to first and second John, you know, those
books are God's inspired word, infallible, inerrant, straight from the
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voice of God. And God does not lie. And so,
you know, that's the way that I look at it. Um,
I've always followed a policy, Janet, that says this when
the plain sense makes good sense, seek no other sense,
lest you end up in nonsense. And when you follow
the plain sense, it's very clear that there will in
fact be a person known as the Antichrist who comes
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into power during the tribulation period.
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Mm. Thank you for that. Greatly appreciated. (877) 548-3675. Nancy in Illinois,
thanks for joining us. Your question please.
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Hi. My question is, I know there's lots of Antichrist
or false Christs along the way, but in the very end,
I believe there's one evil dude. Let me just put
it that way. Um, if we're believers and we are raptured,
are we ever going to see this Antichrist in power? Like,
will he be empowered while we're still on Earth? Because
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I believe. I believe in a rapture, and I believe
that we're going to miss the tribulation. Relationship. Um, I'm
not sure. I haven't studied it extensively, but that's what
I think. So. Not that it doesn't matter, but will
we ever really see this Antichrist in power?
S7 (22:49):
Well, that's a great question. And in fact, I think
a lot of Christians are interested in that question. My
personal interpretation of the scriptures is that if you've seen
the Antichrist and you know who he is, you've been
left behind. If I might put it that way, you know,
Scripture does indicate that the rapture will take place before
the tribulation period. And the event that begins the tribulation
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period is when the Antichrist signs a covenant with Israel,
according to Daniel 927. Now it's real clear that you
understand that the rapture is not what begins the tribulation.
It's the signing of that covenant between the Antichrist and Israel.
And Bible scholars are clear to emphasize there could actually
be a number of years in between the time of
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the rapture and the beginning of the tribulation period. In.
So bottom line is, I don't think you and I,
as Christians will know who the Antichrist is. We'll be
taken out before then.
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Mm. Nancy. Thank you. So appreciate you being with us. Wow.
I say goodbye to the line. Lights up. So we're
going to take your calls as many of them as possible.
If you go to our website in the market with
Janet Parshall. There in the right hand side is the
book that Doctor Rhodes has written specifically on the subject
of the Antichrist, and also a link to his website
reasoning from the scriptures Ministry. On the other side. I'm
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For the first time, a flesh and blood portrait of
an Antichrist emerges. But this passage isn't from Daniel, revelation
or the Epistles of John. It was written in 202 A.D.
by Hippolytus, a prolific theologian of the early Christian Church.
In his Treatise on Christ and Antichrist, Hippolytus brings together
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ideas about the Antichrist that were prevalent in the early church,
Including a belief that would serve as a pretext for
much bloodshed through the centuries. That the Antichrist, like Christ himself,
would be of Jewish origin from the Hebrew tribe of Dan.
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That element that is Antichrist. As a Jew. It was
accepted by the Jews, was one of the elements, certainly,
that was present in much of the pogroms and persecutions
of the Jews in later history.
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During the Crusades, the Antichrist's name would be invoked to
stir hatred against both Muslims and Jews.
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I think the most destructive uses of the Antichrist legend
in the course of history have been when Christians have
identified the outsiders as, if not Antichrist, at least Antichrist's predecessors, Antichrist, army, etc.
this has been evident in persecution of the Jews at
numerous times. It's especially evident, of course, in the conflict
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between Christianity and Islam.
S1 (26:36):
We are talking about the Antichrist with Doctor Ron Rhodes,
who is the president of reasoning from the scriptures ministry,
one of the many books he's over 70 heading rapidly
toward 80 books that he's authored called Unmasking the Antichrist
Dispelling the Myths, Discovering the Truth. So much I could
ask about that clip, but I want to go to
your calls instead. 87754836758775483675. Dustin in Ohio, thanks for stopping by, please.
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Your question.
S19 (27:03):
Yeah. Thanks, Jim. Hi, Doctor Rhodes. Uh, hello. I'm going
to piggyback right off of that little excerpt that was
playing there. So wouldn't it make sense that, uh, the
Antichrist being a false Christ or false messiah that he
would need to be of Jewish descent, uh, in order
to maybe fulfill some, uh, or perceive to fulfill prophecy
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of the Messiah and then obviously tricked a lot of people.
And are there scriptures to back that up that confirm
that he would be of Jewish descent?
S7 (27:32):
Well, that is a great question. And again, you know,
you're right in saying that there have been people who
have held to this throughout history. Um, and the early
traditions cited by this individual that Janet played, uh, was
correct in saying that there was this idea that, uh,
the Antichrist would emerge from the Jewish tribe of Dan.
It's also true that some of the early church fathers
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held to this view. However, when you look at what
Scripture actually teaches and by the way, Scripture is my
barometer of truth. We test everything against Scripture like the
Bereans acts 17. Here's what we find in Scripture. First
of all, there is not a single explicit statement anywhere
in Scripture that the Antichrist will be a Jew. Secondly,
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in revelation 13 verse one, we are told specifically that
the Antichrist will rise up out of the sea. Now
what is the sea? Very often in the book of revelation,
whenever a symbol is mentioned, that symbol is defined within
the pages of the Book of Revelation. And when you
go to revelation 1715, the term see is specifically defined
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as peoples and multitudes and nations and languages. In other words,
they are Gentiles. The Antichrist will rise up out of
the sea of Gentiles. And then confirming that as Daniel 926,
which says that the Antichrist will emerge from the people
that destroyed Jerusalem and the temple. That would be a
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Roman Gentile. Furthermore, revelation 12 six indicates that the Antichrist
will be a cruel persecutor of the Jews. He won't
be a Jew himself. He's going to persecute the Jews.
And so it wouldn't make sense to say that he's
a Jew, because he's going to persecute and even kill
any Jew that he can get his hands on during
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the tribulation period. So to me, the weight of Scripture
supports the idea that he will be a Roman Gentile.
S1 (29:26):
Thank you for the answer. And Dustin, I thank you
for the question. (877) 548-3675. 75. Trey in Tennessee. Thanks for
being here. And your question, please.
S20 (29:36):
Yes. Hello, doctor Rhodes and Janet, thank you for taking
my call. In Matthew 2436, the Bible says, according to
what I understand, that no one knows the hour or
day except God of when all of this is going
to come to a head. And so my question is,
if Satan doesn't know because no one else knows but God.
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Does that mean that Satan is having to groom an
Antichrist in every generation coming? Is it an ongoing process?
S7 (30:07):
Well, we're on the same page on that. In fact,
I think that what you said is exactly right. Um,
Satan is not omniscient. He is a creature with creaturely limitations.
And Satan is the one who inspires the Antichrist, who
himself is a creature. He's a man who is driven
by the devil. And so neither one of them, neither
the Antichrist nor Satan who empowers him, are omniscient. And
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so for that reason, it's been my belief that the
Antichrist has had a man waiting in the wings, or
Satan has had a man waiting in the wings in
every generation who could actually fill the role of being
the Antichrist. You have to keep in mind that when
you look at all the bad stuff the Antichrist does
in the book of revelation and in Matthew 20, 24
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and 25, all of those things are actually driven by
the devil. For example, we know that the Antichrist will
persecute the Jews. Well guess what? There are scriptures that
indicate that Satan persecutes the Jews. We also know that
the Antichrist will persecute believers, you know, like believers in Christ. Well,
the same thing is said to be true of the devil.
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We know that the Antichrist will be blasphemous. The same
thing is true of the devil. All the stuff that
the Antichrist does is driven by the devil, and that
just goes along with my statement that it could be
any man waiting in the wings as history unfolds that
Satan could empower to take on the the role of Satan.
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Because again, Satan is not omniscient and he doesn't know
the exact time of of these end time events.
S1 (31:42):
And I thank you T-ray so much for being a
part of our conversation. (877) 548-3675 Mark, we're going to turn
to you next in Michigan. Welcome. And your question, please.
S21 (31:52):
Hi. Hi. Thank you for taking my call. Um, I
had a quick question. It's kind of off topic. I apologize,
but for the 144,000 that revelation speaks of, I was
asked a question by one of my patients the other
day in medical field. Uh, he asked about what that
meant as far as Antichrist and revelations, uh, talks about.
I didn't know how to answer that. Is there a
better way we can explain that number as as opposed
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with the end times? You know what I'm trying to say?
S7 (32:19):
Well, the 144,000 is mentioned in revelation seven and 14,
and they are Jewish evangelists with 12,000 from each of
the tribes of Israel. Now, here's the backdrop real quick
because I know that we have other other callers online.
The backdrop is that God originally called the Jewish people
to be a light unto the Gentiles, sharing the good
news of the Messiah with the whole world. They failed
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at that because they didn't even recognize Jesus as the Messiah. Well,
here's the thing. In the tribulation period, these 144,000 Jewish
evangelists are going to finally fulfill that mandate and be
a light unto the Gentiles, sharing the good news of
the Messiah with the entire planet, and they will be persecuted.
But the good news is, is that God will have
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his mark, his protective mark on those 144,000, which means
that they are hands off, even though the Antichrist wants
to kill them, he can't, because God's mark of protection,
his seal of ownership, is on those Jewish evangelists. And
so that illustrates one clear thing for us. Even though
the tribulation period will be a very dark period. God's
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light will still shine and the gospel will still be shared.
S1 (33:30):
Mark thank you. Appreciate you being with us. (877) 548-3675. Chuck
in Illinois, welcome. And your question, please.
S22 (33:38):
Hi, Janet. Hi, doctor. Ron Rhodes I was yes, I
was asked. My question is out of Zechariah chapter 11
verses 15 through 17 where it talks about the idol shepherd.
And I just wanted to to get your take on
this passage of Scripture and unpack it for me. Is
it a reference to the Antichrist?
S7 (33:58):
Well, the verse says, then the Lord said to me,
go again and play the part of a worthless shepherd.
This illustrates how I will give this nation a shepherd
who will not care for those who are dying, nor
look after the young, nor heal the injured, nor feed
the healthy. Instead, the shepherd will eat the meat of
the fattest sheep and tear off their hooves. Now I
have heard this idea that it represents the Antichrist, and
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it's entirely possible that that's the case. And I say
that because when you look at Matthew 24, verses 15
to 22, we find the Antichrist and the work of
the Antichrist to be quite similar. The same thing is
true in Daniel nine, verse 27. Even if it's not
a present, even if it's not a verse, it's actually
predictive of the Antichrist. We might say that the shepherd
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in this passage is a type of the Antichrist. In
other words, it represents and points forward to the coming
of a greater evil shepherd, even though there were already
evil shepherds back in Israel's day. So those are the
two ways that you could take it. It could actually
represent the Antichrist of Daniel's 70th week. Or it could
be a type of Antichrist pointing forward to the evil
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work of the Antichrist during the tribulation period.
S1 (35:09):
And I thank you so very much for being with us.
(877) 548-3675 and Katie in Washington State, welcome, please. Your question.
S23 (35:19):
Hello. Thanks, doctor Rose. My question is and this could
be erroneous, but, um, I was told that there are
a lot of covenants that are occurring right now, and
that the Antichrist will not necessarily make a covenant covenant,
but that he will confirm a covenant already in place.
And I was just curious if you could expound on
what that covenant would be. And is it one he
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truly makes, or one that could already be here? Thanks
so much.
S1 (35:46):
Ron, I'm going to ask you to answer on the
other side. You hear that music? You're such a pro, Katie.
Thank you for the question. And I don't want you
to have to get a rushed answer, Katie. So if
you'd be so kind, we'll give you your answer. On
the other side of this. This is in the market
with Janet Parshall. Doctor Ron Rhodes is with us, president
of reasoning from the scriptures Ministry. You can learn more
by going to. Our website bears the name of the
program in the market with Janet Parshall.
S8 (36:29):
The Antichrist. Tens of millions of people are on the
lookout for him. And for signs of the end times.
S24 (36:42):
When a person with this set of beliefs opens a newspaper,
they are, in a sense, looking for the possibility that
the Antichrist could appear there.
S25 (36:51):
There are a lot of people who believe, yes, the
Antichrist is alive and prepared now to take his place
in this sequence of events leading up to the end
of time, as predicted in the Book of Revelation.
S13 (37:04):
You look at the fact that Europe is uniting. You
look at the fact of Israel today being a nation
that is in need of peace. All these things make
us believe that possibly the Antichrist is alive.
S1 (37:23):
And we are talking about just that, the Antichrist. And
is he alive today? Who knows? Doctor Ron Rhodes is
with us president of reasoning from the scriptures ministry. But
I want to get Katie's question answered about the covenants. Ron.
So can you pick it up from there?
S7 (37:36):
Absolutely. She was asking whether the Antichrist actually forms a covenant,
or whether he deals with a covenant that's already in place.
And I believe that the Antichrist actually initiates this covenant,
because in Daniel 927 we are told that the Antichrist
shall make a strong covenant with many for one week,
and for half of the week he shall put an
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end to sacrifice and offering. Now the term week refers
to a week of years or seven years. And so
for half that week, the first three and a half years,
he's going to allow the Jewish sacrifices and the Jewish temple.
But in the last three and a half years, he's
going to put an end to animal sacrifices because he
wants to be worshiped as God. But the key thing
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to emphasize is that he shall make a strong covenant.
That Hebrew word can also be translated enter into. He
will enter into a strong covenant with many for one week.
And that strong covenant is really, really important to understand. Uh,
because he's making this covenant from the position of great
military strength. It's a strong covenant in the sense that
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it's a covenant backed by military might or military strength.
And he makes his covenant with Israel. And I think
part of that is going to be a solving of
the Middle East, um, crisis or the Middle East dilemma,
such that no one can attack Israel without attacking the Antichrist.
And since he's got all that might and all that strength,
that strong covenant is going to guarantee Israel peace, at
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least at the beginning.
S1 (39:02):
And again, because of the charismatic nature of this person,
this is going to be a drawing card. Which brings
me to one other question. And that is if Scripture
tells us, does it not, that he is supposed to
receive some sort of mortal wound from which he recovers?
My very first question to you is whether or not
this was a human being or a supernatural entity, if,
in fact he recovers from what, for all intents and purposes,
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looks like it would have been a wound that would
have taken his life. How does he recover? Is that
going to be demonic power that gives him that capability?
S7 (39:30):
Well, you just asked one of the most controversial questions
in this whole topic. And Christians do disagree back and
forth on this. It's true that according to revelation 13,
verse three, the Antichrist will suffer a mortal wound. But
the text tells us that the mortal wound was healed
and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast. So,
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without going into great detail, Janet, there are some who
believe that the Antichrist actually dies and then is resurrected,
mimicking Jesus Christ. The problem with that viewpoint is that
Satan doesn't have the power to resurrect people. So is
this going to be a bogus resurrection? That brings me
to the second viewpoint, and that is that he doesn't
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actually die, but he appears to die. And he appears
to resurrect from the dead. And, uh, scholars are going
back and forth on this. But I think the key thing, Janet,
is that as a result of this, the whole world
wants to worship him. Just like people worshipped Jesus after
his resurrection from the dead. So it seems to me
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that this is part and parcel of the Antichrist's attempt
to mimic Christ in many different ways.
S1 (40:39):
Yeah. Well, exactly. In fact, if there was ever a
place where the swoon theory could come into play, it
wouldn't be with Jesus, it might be with the Antichrist.
So that'll be an interesting one. Mike, let me welcome
you from Florida. Thanks so much for being here. Your
question for Doctor Rhodes, please.
S26 (40:54):
You think you were the God, the God of May,
God of war? Uh, I'm thinking that. Could that trigger
the Antichrist coming on? Because I know there's seven years
of burning the weapon, and then the next, the next chapter,
they start building the temple. I think maybe that was
when the treaty could come.
S7 (41:12):
Well, that's a great question. And I happen to actually
believe a form of what you just described. And let
me just explain it this way. It's my personal belief
that the Gog Magog War, also called the Ezekiel invasion,
which refers to Russia and Muslim nations invading Israel, will
actually take place before the tribulation period. Now, if that's true,
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that's going to take out the Muslim strength against Israel,
which will in turn make it easier for the Antichrist
to sign a covenant with Israel, guaranteeing Israel's protection because
the invaders against Israel will have already been taken out, basically. Furthermore,
it makes it much easier for Israel to rebuild its
temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. Now, that wouldn't
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be the case if the Muslims were still in control
of the area. But if God has already destroyed the
Muslim invaders, as the text of Ezekiel 36 to 39 indicates,
then that would make it much easier for that to happen. Furthermore,
it will make it much easier for the false religion
of the end times to emerge, because the two people
groups that would stand against the emergence of a false
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religion have been removed. Christians have been removed at the rapture.
Muslims have been taken out in the Ezekiel invasion. So
to me it all fits like pieces in a puzzle.
S1 (42:30):
Wow. Fascinating. I had never heard it put that way. Mike,
thank you for that. So, Ron, let me just ask
one last question and every line is lit. Maybe the
next time we get together, we continue with this because
people have so many questions. But my question is this.
If we believe that Scripture teaches that we'll be taken
out before the tribulation, therefore we will not see the Antichrist.
Why do you think God wanted us to know the bit?
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We could know from His word about the Antichrist if
we don't have a front row seat anyway?
S7 (42:58):
Well, I think it's because God wants us to understand
that he controls human history and is guiding human history
toward its culmination, and that we've got nothing to worry about.
S3 (43:07):
Wow.
S1 (43:08):
Well, that is such a superb answer, Ron. I thank
you for that. Really. Absolutely excellent. All right. I want
to tell you again, Ron is such a great writer.
Like I said, he's got a boatload of initials after
his name, but he writes in such a way that
you and I can understand it and own the information.
And then we can go to the marketplace and reason
from the scriptures, see why he named it that way.
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That's to get us out there. And because the History
Channel's doing documentaries on the Antichrist, don't you want to
know what Scripture has to say? I think I'd rather
have that as my guide, so check it out. It's
called Unmasking the Antichrist, and the subtitle is Dispelling the Myths,
Discovering the Truth. I also have a link to reasoning
from the scriptures ministry. And while you're there, just take
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a few minutes and peruse. It'll take a few minutes
to peruse all of the books that Doctor Ron Rhodes
has authored. They are excellent, and I give my unashamed,
unabashed endorsement for every single one of them. So check
them out. My heartfelt thanks to Doctor Ron Rhodes and
to you friends. What a great hour. We'll see you
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S2 (01:39):
Here are some of the news headlines we're watching.
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The conference was over. The president won a pledge.
S4 (01:43):
Americans worshiping government over God.
S3 (01:45):
Extremely rare safety move by a nation.
S5 (01:48):
17 years. The Palestinians and Israelis negotiated.
S6 (02:08):
There is a specific Antichrist spoken of in revelation, but
there are also preceding antichrists in the world that are.
Paul even warns about in his letters. I'm not sure
as to how to interpret the Antichrist as spoken of
in revelation. I know that there are many who do like,
explicitly try and say what he will look like, where
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he'll be from, what he will do. Revelation is a
tricky apocalyptic genre. At least that's the way it falls into.
And so, and I have not given it that kind
of attention necessary to really fully articulate a position on it.
I would say that there is such a thing as
the Antichrist. How that will be expressed, who that will be,
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what that will look like. I'm not at a place,
that's to say.
S1 (02:58):
Well, I want you to know that is exactly why
that's our topic this hour. Hello, friends. Welcome to In
the Market with Janet Parshall. Having a good day? I
hope so. And if not, well, I hope this hour
makes you feel better. Makes you understand that Christ is
still on the throne. That you woke up this morning
and his tender mercies were renewed. His grace was sufficient
for the day, and nothing and no one can separate
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you from the love of Christ. Make you feel better
because everything else is mashed potatoes compared to that. Those
are the absolutes every single day. Great is thy faithfulness,
O God, my father. Yea, I know, but remember, this
is not as good as it gets. We're this side
of glory. We're in the muck and mire. In a
world turned upside down. Where good is called evil. Evil
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is called good. And mostly folks are doing what's right
in their own eyes, I get it. So that's why
we're going to have a conversation about the Antichrist, because
I want us to look homeward. Okay? Look homeward. Angel.
That was a great famous book. Once upon a time,
I'm going to rip the title, because that's really what
we're going to do is we're going to look homeward.
Those of us who have confessed with our mouth that
Jesus is Lord and believe in our heart that God
has raised him from the dead. We shall be. What?
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Say it together. Saved. Yeah, I heard that all the
way from Guam to the Cayman Islands. You betcha. That's
good news. So don't you want to know something about
what's going to happen? I mean, we don't know definitively.
There's some things we know, some things we don't know.
It is a mysterious thing. It should be. Paul talks
about the mystery. I don't know about you, but don't
you want to wait? I mean, some of these things.
I don't need a complete, definitive now, all right? Just
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like I know where I'm heading. Bound. He's in charge.
I'm not. And I'm. I'm ready whenever it happens. But
it's fascinating to be able to examine the information he
has given to us in those love letters. 66 of them,
Genesis to revelation. Each word inspired, inerrant, transcended, immutable, the
same yesterday, today, and forever. So who wouldn't want to
get into that book? That's what we're going to do
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this hour. And we're going to talk about unmasking the Antichrist.
Just a few questions people have. Who do you think
our teacher is going to be? Well, he comes to
visit on a regular basis and he's brilliant. He's got
a bunch of initials after his name, but what he
does so brilliantly. And I've seen this for, well, more
years than I care to identify on radio. This wonderful
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man who can teach apologetics at Veritas Evangelical Seminary in
California or at Dallas Theological Seminary or at Talbot or Biola.
And that doesn't count the schools he himself went to
when he's not teaching, it's seminars. When he's not writing
over 70 books, he has a ministry called reasoning from
the scriptures Ministry. And that's what he does. He takes
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these issues that sometimes can be lofty. They seem like
they're out of our reach. They seem like they're, well,
you got to be a theologian to get it. Do
you think the Lord gave us that book so only
theologians could understand it? No no no no no no.
He did it so that none would perish. All would
know the truth, and we would be set free as
a result of what's contained in that book. So Doctor
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Ron Rhodes, if you guessed it, and one of the
many books he's written is one on the Antichrist called
Unmasking the Antichrist Dispelling the myths, discovering the truth. So again,
that's our topic this hour. 87754836750. Ron, you know how
much these these look and feel like radio interviews. But
I got my Bible out. I got my books. Open
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class is in session. And you're the teacher. And I
love this class. So thank you for being here.
S7 (06:12):
Janet. It's my pleasure. And you know, you mentioned mashed potatoes.
You know, I really like mashed potatoes a lot. But
I agree with you that waking up in the morning
and experiencing the new mercies of the Lord is so
much better. And so that's one of the reasons why
I really enjoy being a Christian. You know, no matter
what happens the rest of the day, I can begin
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my day anew, knowing that the Lord's mercies are new
each and every morning.
S1 (06:40):
Yes, I'll tell you, that'll get you out of bed,
regardless of what set of circumstances you currently find yourself in.
That's what keeps us going. And Ron, one of the
reasons why I love these conversations that we have with
you and we can talk and have and will, Lord willing,
talk about so many different subjects that you write on,
but I particularly love these conversations about the end times
and the Antichrist, because this isn't about fear. This isn't
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about trying to do a decoder ring for the Book
of Revelation. It's about getting excited about his glorious appearing
because he is coming again, and we're just reading about
part of the elements of what are going to take
place there. So thank you for writing a book just
about the Antichrist. And one of the things you do
beautifully is take a look at some of the different
concepts of the Antichrist. So let me just ask some
real rudimentary questions. The lines are already starting to light up. Friends,
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you lead this. Okay, I'm just going to host back
and forth. You come with your questions and Ron will answer.
But is the Antichrist a real person and is he
a supernatural being or a human being?
S7 (07:37):
Well, that's a great place to begin. You know, there
have been people who have interpreted the Antichrist as an
institution of evil, or maybe the principal of evil, kind
of like Uncle Sam personifies America. Maybe the Antichrist personifies
all evil in the world, but I think he will
be a literal human being. In fact, in second Thessalonians
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two he is called a man of sin. And in
the book of Revelation, you know which you mentioned earlier,
he's portrayed as a person and he speaks like a person.
He acts like a person and he is treated like
a person. Now, Janet, you and I know that if
it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck,
it's a duck. Well, likewise, you have all of these
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personal attributes of this man of sin. And so I
think it's going to be a literal man, and I
think it's going to be a very charismatic personality. Not
charismatic in the sense of spiritual gifts, but charismatic in
the sense of being able to mesmerize crowds around the world.
S1 (08:37):
Yeah, like a rock star. Absolutely. All right. We're just
getting started. And already we've got great questions. So come
on board. Ask your questions about the Antichrist, because we
all have a lot of them, by the way. And
if this segues into the bigger conversation about the end times,
that's highly appropriate as well. Doctor Ron Rhodes is with us.
What a great hour we always have with Doctor Rhodes.
And our number (877) 548-3675. We'll get started with your questions
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He has been called by many names. The lawless one.
The beast. The arch. Deceiver. But most know him as
the Antichrist.
S9 (10:05):
The most evil character in human history. That will make
Hitler and Stalin pale in comparison.
S8 (10:15):
He is at the crux of an apocalyptic vision of
salvation and slaughter that millions of people share.
S10 (10:23):
40 or 50% of Americans who say they believe in
key elements of the end time scenario, which includes the
rise of the Antichrist.
S8 (10:33):
He is the central figure in the world's most popular
doomsday prophecy, and some say they know his profile.
S10 (10:41):
If you're looking for the Antichrist, you look for somebody
who's very attractive, very articulate, brilliant. Um, someone who would
know many languages.
S8 (10:50):
Above all, he represents a paradox. The Antichrist is pure evil,
but true believers look for his coming with anticipation.
S11 (11:01):
The Antichrist is going to be an agent of destruction,
of death, of worldwide catastrophe. And yet in the apocalyptic communities,
nothing is more looked forward to with jubilation and expectation
than the emergence of this Antichrist.
S8 (11:17):
Whether fact or fiction, his role is clear. The Antichrist
is Satan's human emissary on Earth, and some say signs
of his work and presence are all around us.
S12 (11:30):
I believe that the Antichrist is very much alive right
now in Europe somewhere.
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As you look at the Bible and you look at
the news, it goes hand in hand. And to me
it's absolutely amazing.
S8 (11:47):
Ready or not, here he comes. But who is he?
The Antichrist or a mass delusion?
S1 (11:57):
Well, that's where we're having this conversation, by the way.
That's audio from a History Channel special on the Antichrist.
Now you can take the History Channel's take on this. Okay.
And they had some good people in those clips we played.
Or you can go to the Word of God. I
prefer the latter, by the way, and that's why Doctor
Ron Rhodes is here. President of reasoning from the scriptures ministry.
He's got a book that speaks right to this topic
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Unmasking the Antichrist, dispelling the myths, discovering, Discovering the truth.
I have fabulous questions online. So that's exactly where I'm
going to the phones. John, I'm going to start with
you in Vermont. Welcome, sir. And your question for Ron.
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Uh, I'm aware that the in the Muslim religion, they
believe that their 12th imam comes back at the end
of time. They also believe that Jesus comes back at
the end of time. But their Jesus ain't the one
that we believe in. Their Jesus denies being the Son
of God, tells people to fall down and worship him
the motherhood and whoever doesn't is killed. And I was
thinking that he's going to come up out of Islam also.
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They're a great part of the people that go against
Warren and Israel. And that's a big part of the end, too.
What do you think about that? They're supposed to fake
Jesus that comes back at the end of time because
he fulfills what it says in the book of Thessalonians.
He denies being the Son of God, which in Islam,
they believe that Jesus comes back at the end and
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does just that.
S7 (13:18):
Well, you're right about that, in fact. In Islam, Jesus
is not the Son of God. Neither is God considered
the father. And the reason they say that is that
they believe that that communicates the idea that somehow the
father engaged in relations and procreated Jesus as a literal
father on earth would do. And so to them, that's
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a blasphemous idea in their thinking. Jesus is not part
of the Trinity, the second person of the Trinity, but
rather is a prophet to Israel. No more and no less.
The greatest prophet of all is Muhammad. And so they
would say Jesus is lesser than Muhammad. Now, in terms
of the end times, they do say that Jesus Christ
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will come back and will be a servant of the
Mahdi and will be involved in leading the world, uh, to,
to Islam. And then he will die a natural death
and he will be resurrected. Now you can see that
that's a completely different Jesus than the Bible. But didn't
the Bible warn us about this? In fact, in Matthew
seven we're warned about false Christs. And then again in
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Matthew chapter 24, where Jesus is talking about the tribulation period.
He specifically warns his followers about those who would teach
a false Christ. And so I think that's very relevant,
especially since this was written to Christians. Why warn Christians
about this idea of a false Christ? Well, apparently Christians
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can be deceived. And because of that, Jesus wanted us
to know the truth beforehand.
S1 (14:50):
Mm. Thank you, John, I appreciate it. And if I may,
let me pick up something that you said because I
think this is a question. It's a universal. And a
lot of people wonder where he's going to come from.
So this is when world history, I think, has a
forbearance on this conversation, Ron. So if he's going to
come well, here's my it's a rhetorical question, but I'll
ask it first. Will he come out of the Roman Empire?
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If the answer to that question is yes, this is
where world history comes into play. We need to think
way beyond Rome because this was a hugely expansive kingdom.
So if he comes from the Roman Empire, that's a big,
big swath of land covering the vast majority of the
European continent, isn't it?
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Well, it is. We know that the Antichrist will be Roman,
because in Daniel 12 it talks about how the Antichrist
would emerge from the people that overran Jerusalem and destroyed
the temple. Now, who was it that overran Jerusalem and
destroyed the temple? Well, we know that it was Titus
and his Roman warriors, and that took place back in A.D. 70. And,
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of course, the Roman Empire continued to exist until it
essentially kind of fizzled out about, you know, somewhere around
the fifth century. But the fact of the matter is
that it was huge. I mean, there were, um, just
an expanse of territory that was part of the Roman Empire. Now,
what's interesting, especially interesting on the Antichrist, is the fact
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that there's going to be a revived Roman Empire in
the end times. And this revived Roman Empire is going
to be the political, uh, territory from which the Antichrist
will eventually attain world dominion. So he starts out in
a Roman Empire, but then he attains world dominion by
the middle of the tribulation period. And so you're looking
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at someone who's going to be perhaps the greatest ruler
of all time, with the exception of God himself.
S1 (16:48):
Wow. Doctor Ron Rose is with us. We are unmasking
the Antichrist this hour. This is based on his book
by the same title, Dispelling the Myths and Discovering the Truth.
Our number (877) 548-3675. We've got a lot of folks online.
If you've got a question when you hear me say goodbye,
get online. Because I'd like to get your question as well. (877) 548-3675.
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The word Antichrist has been used throughout history to demonize everyone,
from popes to presidents to pop stars. It has been
a rallying cry and a death knell. Triggering passions both
deadly and divine. And yet, Antichrist, perhaps the most highly
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charged word in the Christian lexicon, is buried in the Bible,
where it appears in minor passages just a handful of times.
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Probably coming as a surprise to most people. The word
Antichrist only appears in about the two most obscure books
that you can find in the Bible First John and
second John, two very short letters.
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According to scholars, these letters or epistles, were written near
the end of the first century A.D. during this period,
Christians were fighting fiercely among themselves about whether Jesus, the
Son of God, had actually existed in the flesh.
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And every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ
has come in the flesh is not of God. And
this is the spirit of the Antichrist.
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And he defines them in terms of those who deny
the humanity of Jesus. So we can see this writing
is against the backdrop of the developing Gnostic version of Christianity.
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And that's why you fact check when you're watching the
History Channel. So I'm going to go to the word
because that's far more authoritative on this topic. Doctor Ron
Rhodes is with us, President of reasoning from the scriptures ministry.
And there's a couple of things intimated there. And then
I have every line lit. So I promise to make
my question short. The fact that there are two short
mentions in two small books, I think, was an attempt
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to somehow minimize the impact of the Antichrist, and he
almost just went up to the line. But he didn't
say that because of the time in which it was written.
Maybe it was referring to a Roman leader at the time.
Unpack that for me. Ron. Is there is that approach
right or wrong?
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Well, that's a wrong approach. I mean, it amounts to
saying that because it's only mentioned in two books, it
couldn't possibly be true because nobody else believes it. And
the fact of the matter is, is that, um, it's
true that the word occurs in those epistles, but the
fact is, is that there are other references that quite
clearly refer to the Antichrist. Just to give you one example,
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I'm thinking about second Thessalonians two, where he's called the
man of sin. Uh, it's also very interesting that we
witness a parallel between the seal judgments and the Olivet Discourse,
in which Jesus is preaching to his followers, and there
are direct parallels between Jesus's comments and his sermon in
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the Olivet Discourse and the unfolding of the sealed judgments,
one of which is the Antichrist. In fact, the first
Seal judgment involves a man who comes forth riding a horse.
He comes forth conquering and to conquer, and he has
a sword, and he has a bow without an arrow,
indicating that he comes with military power. But he doesn't
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emerge into a world dominion through military power, but will
soon use it. And then in Jesus's Olivet Discourse, he
makes reference to these false Christs, and the greatest false
Christ is the Antichrist. Now, what we're doing, Janet, is
that we're doing theology. When we're doing theology. What we
want to do is to consult all the verses in
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the Bible that deal with the particular topic, and then
to come up with a composite viewpoint. That's what we
do with the doctrine of God. That's what we do
with the doctrine of Jesus. That's what we do with
the gospel. In fact, every major doctrine is based upon
the fact that the whole of Scripture is examined with
all the different verses that pertain to a particular subject,
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and we put those together to form our composite view.
And when you do that, there's just a whole lot
of verses that talk about the Antichrist. It's not just
isolated to first and second John, but even if it
were isolated to first and second John, you know, those
books are God's inspired word, infallible, inerrant, straight from the
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voice of God. And God does not lie. And so,
you know, that's the way that I look at it. Um,
I've always followed a policy, Janet, that says this when
the plain sense makes good sense, seek no other sense,
lest you end up in nonsense. And when you follow
the plain sense, it's very clear that there will in
fact be a person known as the Antichrist who comes
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into power during the tribulation period.
S1 (22:02):
Mm. Thank you for that. Greatly appreciated. (877) 548-3675. Nancy in Illinois,
thanks for joining us. Your question please.
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Hi. My question is, I know there's lots of Antichrist
or false Christs along the way, but in the very end,
I believe there's one evil dude. Let me just put
it that way. Um, if we're believers and we are raptured,
are we ever going to see this Antichrist in power? Like,
will he be empowered while we're still on Earth? Because
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I believe. I believe in a rapture, and I believe
that we're going to miss the tribulation. Relationship. Um, I'm
not sure. I haven't studied it extensively, but that's what
I think. So. Not that it doesn't matter, but will
we ever really see this Antichrist in power?
S7 (22:49):
Well, that's a great question. And in fact, I think
a lot of Christians are interested in that question. My
personal interpretation of the scriptures is that if you've seen
the Antichrist and you know who he is, you've been
left behind. If I might put it that way, you know,
Scripture does indicate that the rapture will take place before
the tribulation period. And the event that begins the tribulation
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period is when the Antichrist signs a covenant with Israel,
according to Daniel 927. Now it's real clear that you
understand that the rapture is not what begins the tribulation.
It's the signing of that covenant between the Antichrist and Israel.
And Bible scholars are clear to emphasize there could actually
be a number of years in between the time of
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the rapture and the beginning of the tribulation period. In.
So bottom line is, I don't think you and I,
as Christians will know who the Antichrist is. We'll be
taken out before then.
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Mm. Nancy. Thank you. So appreciate you being with us. Wow.
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For the first time, a flesh and blood portrait of
an Antichrist emerges. But this passage isn't from Daniel, revelation
or the Epistles of John. It was written in 202 A.D.
by Hippolytus, a prolific theologian of the early Christian Church.
In his Treatise on Christ and Antichrist, Hippolytus brings together
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ideas about the Antichrist that were prevalent in the early church,
Including a belief that would serve as a pretext for
much bloodshed through the centuries. That the Antichrist, like Christ himself,
would be of Jewish origin from the Hebrew tribe of Dan.
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That element that is Antichrist. As a Jew. It was
accepted by the Jews, was one of the elements, certainly,
that was present in much of the pogroms and persecutions
of the Jews in later history.
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During the Crusades, the Antichrist's name would be invoked to
stir hatred against both Muslims and Jews.
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I think the most destructive uses of the Antichrist legend
in the course of history have been when Christians have
identified the outsiders as, if not Antichrist, at least Antichrist's predecessors, Antichrist, army, etc.
this has been evident in persecution of the Jews at
numerous times. It's especially evident, of course, in the conflict
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between Christianity and Islam.
S1 (26:36):
We are talking about the Antichrist with Doctor Ron Rhodes,
who is the president of reasoning from the scriptures ministry,
one of the many books he's over 70 heading rapidly
toward 80 books that he's authored called Unmasking the Antichrist
Dispelling the Myths, Discovering the Truth. So much I could
ask about that clip, but I want to go to
your calls instead. 87754836758775483675. Dustin in Ohio, thanks for stopping by, please.
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Your question.
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Yeah. Thanks, Jim. Hi, Doctor Rhodes. Uh, hello. I'm going
to piggyback right off of that little excerpt that was
playing there. So wouldn't it make sense that, uh, the
Antichrist being a false Christ or false messiah that he
would need to be of Jewish descent, uh, in order
to maybe fulfill some, uh, or perceive to fulfill prophecy
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of the Messiah and then obviously tricked a lot of people.
And are there scriptures to back that up that confirm
that he would be of Jewish descent?
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Well, that is a great question. And again, you know,
you're right in saying that there have been people who
have held to this throughout history. Um, and the early
traditions cited by this individual that Janet played, uh, was
correct in saying that there was this idea that, uh,
the Antichrist would emerge from the Jewish tribe of Dan.
It's also true that some of the early church fathers
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held to this view. However, when you look at what
Scripture actually teaches and by the way, Scripture is my
barometer of truth. We test everything against Scripture like the
Bereans acts 17. Here's what we find in Scripture. First
of all, there is not a single explicit statement anywhere
in Scripture that the Antichrist will be a Jew. Secondly,
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in revelation 13 verse one, we are told specifically that
the Antichrist will rise up out of the sea. Now
what is the sea? Very often in the book of revelation,
whenever a symbol is mentioned, that symbol is defined within
the pages of the Book of Revelation. And when you
go to revelation 1715, the term see is specifically defined
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as peoples and multitudes and nations and languages. In other words,
they are Gentiles. The Antichrist will rise up out of
the sea of Gentiles. And then confirming that as Daniel 926,
which says that the Antichrist will emerge from the people
that destroyed Jerusalem and the temple. That would be a
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Roman Gentile. Furthermore, revelation 12 six indicates that the Antichrist
will be a cruel persecutor of the Jews. He won't
be a Jew himself. He's going to persecute the Jews.
And so it wouldn't make sense to say that he's
a Jew, because he's going to persecute and even kill
any Jew that he can get his hands on during
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the tribulation period. So to me, the weight of Scripture
supports the idea that he will be a Roman Gentile.
S1 (29:26):
Thank you for the answer. And Dustin, I thank you
for the question. (877) 548-3675. 75. Trey in Tennessee. Thanks for
being here. And your question, please.
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Yes. Hello, doctor Rhodes and Janet, thank you for taking
my call. In Matthew 2436, the Bible says, according to
what I understand, that no one knows the hour or
day except God of when all of this is going
to come to a head. And so my question is,
if Satan doesn't know because no one else knows but God.
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Does that mean that Satan is having to groom an
Antichrist in every generation coming? Is it an ongoing process?
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Well, we're on the same page on that. In fact,
I think that what you said is exactly right. Um,
Satan is not omniscient. He is a creature with creaturely limitations.
And Satan is the one who inspires the Antichrist, who
himself is a creature. He's a man who is driven
by the devil. And so neither one of them, neither
the Antichrist nor Satan who empowers him, are omniscient. And
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so for that reason, it's been my belief that the
Antichrist has had a man waiting in the wings, or
Satan has had a man waiting in the wings in
every generation who could actually fill the role of being
the Antichrist. You have to keep in mind that when
you look at all the bad stuff the Antichrist does
in the book of revelation and in Matthew 20, 24
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and 25, all of those things are actually driven by
the devil. For example, we know that the Antichrist will
persecute the Jews. Well guess what? There are scriptures that
indicate that Satan persecutes the Jews. We also know that
the Antichrist will persecute believers, you know, like believers in Christ. Well,
the same thing is said to be true of the devil.
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We know that the Antichrist will be blasphemous. The same
thing is true of the devil. All the stuff that
the Antichrist does is driven by the devil, and that
just goes along with my statement that it could be
any man waiting in the wings as history unfolds that
Satan could empower to take on the the role of Satan.
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Because again, Satan is not omniscient and he doesn't know
the exact time of of these end time events.
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And I thank you T-ray so much for being a
part of our conversation. (877) 548-3675 Mark, we're going to turn
to you next in Michigan. Welcome. And your question, please.
S21 (31:52):
Hi. Hi. Thank you for taking my call. Um, I
had a quick question. It's kind of off topic. I apologize,
but for the 144,000 that revelation speaks of, I was
asked a question by one of my patients the other
day in medical field. Uh, he asked about what that
meant as far as Antichrist and revelations, uh, talks about.
I didn't know how to answer that. Is there a
better way we can explain that number as as opposed
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with the end times? You know what I'm trying to say?
S7 (32:19):
Well, the 144,000 is mentioned in revelation seven and 14,
and they are Jewish evangelists with 12,000 from each of
the tribes of Israel. Now, here's the backdrop real quick
because I know that we have other other callers online.
The backdrop is that God originally called the Jewish people
to be a light unto the Gentiles, sharing the good
news of the Messiah with the whole world. They failed
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at that because they didn't even recognize Jesus as the Messiah. Well,
here's the thing. In the tribulation period, these 144,000 Jewish
evangelists are going to finally fulfill that mandate and be
a light unto the Gentiles, sharing the good news of
the Messiah with the entire planet, and they will be persecuted.
But the good news is, is that God will have
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his mark, his protective mark on those 144,000, which means
that they are hands off, even though the Antichrist wants
to kill them, he can't, because God's mark of protection,
his seal of ownership, is on those Jewish evangelists. And
so that illustrates one clear thing for us. Even though
the tribulation period will be a very dark period. God's
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light will still shine and the gospel will still be shared.
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Mark thank you. Appreciate you being with us. (877) 548-3675. Chuck
in Illinois, welcome. And your question, please.
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Hi, Janet. Hi, doctor. Ron Rhodes I was yes, I
was asked. My question is out of Zechariah chapter 11
verses 15 through 17 where it talks about the idol shepherd.
And I just wanted to to get your take on
this passage of Scripture and unpack it for me. Is
it a reference to the Antichrist?
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Well, the verse says, then the Lord said to me,
go again and play the part of a worthless shepherd.
This illustrates how I will give this nation a shepherd
who will not care for those who are dying, nor
look after the young, nor heal the injured, nor feed
the healthy. Instead, the shepherd will eat the meat of
the fattest sheep and tear off their hooves. Now I
have heard this idea that it represents the Antichrist, and
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it's entirely possible that that's the case. And I say
that because when you look at Matthew 24, verses 15
to 22, we find the Antichrist and the work of
the Antichrist to be quite similar. The same thing is
true in Daniel nine, verse 27. Even if it's not
a present, even if it's not a verse, it's actually
predictive of the Antichrist. We might say that the shepherd
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in this passage is a type of the Antichrist. In
other words, it represents and points forward to the coming
of a greater evil shepherd, even though there were already
evil shepherds back in Israel's day. So those are the
two ways that you could take it. It could actually
represent the Antichrist of Daniel's 70th week. Or it could
be a type of Antichrist pointing forward to the evil
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work of the Antichrist during the tribulation period.
S1 (35:09):
And I thank you so very much for being with us.
(877) 548-3675 and Katie in Washington State, welcome, please. Your question.
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Hello. Thanks, doctor Rose. My question is and this could
be erroneous, but, um, I was told that there are
a lot of covenants that are occurring right now, and
that the Antichrist will not necessarily make a covenant covenant,
but that he will confirm a covenant already in place.
And I was just curious if you could expound on
what that covenant would be. And is it one he
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truly makes, or one that could already be here? Thanks
so much.
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Ron, I'm going to ask you to answer on the
other side. You hear that music? You're such a pro, Katie.
Thank you for the question. And I don't want you
to have to get a rushed answer, Katie. So if
you'd be so kind, we'll give you your answer. On
the other side of this. This is in the market
with Janet Parshall. Doctor Ron Rhodes is with us, president
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program in the market with Janet Parshall.
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The Antichrist. Tens of millions of people are on the
lookout for him. And for signs of the end times.
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When a person with this set of beliefs opens a newspaper,
they are, in a sense, looking for the possibility that
the Antichrist could appear there.
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There are a lot of people who believe, yes, the
Antichrist is alive and prepared now to take his place
in this sequence of events leading up to the end
of time, as predicted in the Book of Revelation.
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You look at the fact that Europe is uniting. You
look at the fact of Israel today being a nation
that is in need of peace. All these things make
us believe that possibly the Antichrist is alive.
S1 (37:23):
And we are talking about just that, the Antichrist. And
is he alive today? Who knows? Doctor Ron Rhodes is
with us president of reasoning from the scriptures ministry. But
I want to get Katie's question answered about the covenants. Ron.
So can you pick it up from there?
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Absolutely. She was asking whether the Antichrist actually forms a covenant,
or whether he deals with a covenant that's already in place.
And I believe that the Antichrist actually initiates this covenant,
because in Daniel 927 we are told that the Antichrist
shall make a strong covenant with many for one week,
and for half of the week he shall put an
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end to sacrifice and offering. Now the term week refers
to a week of years or seven years. And so
for half that week, the first three and a half years,
he's going to allow the Jewish sacrifices and the Jewish temple.
But in the last three and a half years, he's
going to put an end to animal sacrifices because he
wants to be worshiped as God. But the key thing
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to emphasize is that he shall make a strong covenant.
That Hebrew word can also be translated enter into. He
will enter into a strong covenant with many for one week.
And that strong covenant is really, really important to understand. Uh,
because he's making this covenant from the position of great
military strength. It's a strong covenant in the sense that
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it's a covenant backed by military might or military strength.
And he makes his covenant with Israel. And I think
part of that is going to be a solving of
the Middle East, um, crisis or the Middle East dilemma,
such that no one can attack Israel without attacking the Antichrist.
And since he's got all that might and all that strength,
that strong covenant is going to guarantee Israel peace, at
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least at the beginning.
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And again, because of the charismatic nature of this person,
this is going to be a drawing card. Which brings
me to one other question. And that is if Scripture
tells us, does it not, that he is supposed to
receive some sort of mortal wound from which he recovers?
My very first question to you is whether or not
this was a human being or a supernatural entity, if,
in fact he recovers from what, for all intents and purposes,
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looks like it would have been a wound that would
have taken his life. How does he recover? Is that
going to be demonic power that gives him that capability?
S7 (39:30):
Well, you just asked one of the most controversial questions
in this whole topic. And Christians do disagree back and
forth on this. It's true that according to revelation 13,
verse three, the Antichrist will suffer a mortal wound. But
the text tells us that the mortal wound was healed
and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast. So,
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without going into great detail, Janet, there are some who
believe that the Antichrist actually dies and then is resurrected,
mimicking Jesus Christ. The problem with that viewpoint is that
Satan doesn't have the power to resurrect people. So is
this going to be a bogus resurrection? That brings me
to the second viewpoint, and that is that he doesn't
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actually die, but he appears to die. And he appears
to resurrect from the dead. And, uh, scholars are going
back and forth on this. But I think the key thing, Janet,
is that as a result of this, the whole world
wants to worship him. Just like people worshipped Jesus after
his resurrection from the dead. So it seems to me
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that this is part and parcel of the Antichrist's attempt
to mimic Christ in many different ways.
S1 (40:39):
Yeah. Well, exactly. In fact, if there was ever a
place where the swoon theory could come into play, it
wouldn't be with Jesus, it might be with the Antichrist.
So that'll be an interesting one. Mike, let me welcome
you from Florida. Thanks so much for being here. Your
question for Doctor Rhodes, please.
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You think you were the God, the God of May,
God of war? Uh, I'm thinking that. Could that trigger
the Antichrist coming on? Because I know there's seven years
of burning the weapon, and then the next, the next chapter,
they start building the temple. I think maybe that was
when the treaty could come.
S7 (41:12):
Well, that's a great question. And I happen to actually
believe a form of what you just described. And let
me just explain it this way. It's my personal belief
that the Gog Magog War, also called the Ezekiel invasion,
which refers to Russia and Muslim nations invading Israel, will
actually take place before the tribulation period. Now, if that's true,
(41:33):
that's going to take out the Muslim strength against Israel,
which will in turn make it easier for the Antichrist
to sign a covenant with Israel, guaranteeing Israel's protection because
the invaders against Israel will have already been taken out, basically. Furthermore,
it makes it much easier for Israel to rebuild its
temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. Now, that wouldn't
(41:57):
be the case if the Muslims were still in control
of the area. But if God has already destroyed the
Muslim invaders, as the text of Ezekiel 36 to 39 indicates,
then that would make it much easier for that to happen. Furthermore,
it will make it much easier for the false religion
of the end times to emerge, because the two people
groups that would stand against the emergence of a false
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religion have been removed. Christians have been removed at the rapture.
Muslims have been taken out in the Ezekiel invasion. So
to me it all fits like pieces in a puzzle.
S1 (42:30):
Wow. Fascinating. I had never heard it put that way. Mike,
thank you for that. So, Ron, let me just ask
one last question and every line is lit. Maybe the
next time we get together, we continue with this because
people have so many questions. But my question is this.
If we believe that Scripture teaches that we'll be taken
out before the tribulation, therefore we will not see the Antichrist.
Why do you think God wanted us to know the bit?
(42:53):
We could know from His word about the Antichrist if
we don't have a front row seat anyway?
S7 (42:58):
Well, I think it's because God wants us to understand
that he controls human history and is guiding human history
toward its culmination, and that we've got nothing to worry about.
S3 (43:07):
Wow.
S1 (43:08):
Well, that is such a superb answer, Ron. I thank
you for that. Really. Absolutely excellent. All right. I want
to tell you again, Ron is such a great writer.
Like I said, he's got a boatload of initials after
his name, but he writes in such a way that
you and I can understand it and own the information.
And then we can go to the marketplace and reason
from the scriptures, see why he named it that way.
(43:28):
That's to get us out there. And because the History
Channel's doing documentaries on the Antichrist, don't you want to
know what Scripture has to say? I think I'd rather
have that as my guide, so check it out. It's
called Unmasking the Antichrist, and the subtitle is Dispelling the Myths,
Discovering the Truth. I also have a link to reasoning
from the scriptures ministry. And while you're there, just take
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a few minutes and peruse. It'll take a few minutes
to peruse all of the books that Doctor Ron Rhodes
has authored. They are excellent, and I give my unashamed,
unabashed endorsement for every single one of them. So check
them out. My heartfelt thanks to Doctor Ron Rhodes and
to you friends. What a great hour. We'll see you
next time right here on In the Market with Janet Parshall.
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