May 15, 2025 • 44 mins
Join us this hour as we hear from one of Washington, D.C.’s most prestigious columnists. Bill Gertz will give us an update on China’s mounting aggression against Taiwan and whether or not the U.S. sees the Communist regime as already being on a war footing. We will also talk about the ongoing discussions between Iran and the U.S. to find out whether or not Iran will back down from their plans for nuclear weapons. Don’t miss a minute of this fascinating conversation.
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Here are some of the news headlines we're watching.
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The conference was over. The president won a pledge.
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Americans worshiping government over God.
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Extremely rare safety move by a major 17 years.
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The Palestinians and Israelis negotiated.
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Everything is not.
S5 (02:00):
Hi, friends.
S1 (02:01):
Welcome to In the Market with Janet Parshall. A very
happy Thursday to you. Hope you're having a great day.
We're going to go international. We're going to talk about
national security and defense with one of Washington's preeminent columnists,
Bill Gertz. And he's got a lot to say, uh,
particularly when we look at what's happening in the Middle East,
a series of very, very interesting and important meetings I
posted on X earlier today. I hope we're praying. I
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hope we're praying because there's a lot of decisions that
are going to impact a lot of people in a
lot of areas in the world, not just economically, but
in terms of human rights and what happens to the
nation of Israel. And in the meantime, I got to
tell you that Iran keeps popping up on those conversations
by no surprise whatsoever. We know. And it's it's our
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conversations with Hormuz Chariot who quickens our hearts and minds
and helps us understand that Iran internally wants to play
the strong man externally, the world knows that they're starting
to lose their footing and that they're very much vulnerable
right now. Hormuz teaches us that the average Iranian supports
Israel would love for there to be a way in
which the Ayatollah Khomeini would be removed, and they could
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once again breathe free, rather than having the heavy boot
of theocracy on their necks. So I think we need
to be praying for the Iranian people. But in the meantime,
what do we do when there's this blind subscription to
their eschatology? They believe, just like the communist Chinese, the
same theme, different tune, they really and truly are looking
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for global domination only instead of hegemony. And we'll certainly
talk about this when he joins us. They're looking for
global domination with an Islamic domination that the whole world
will be islamicized. If you will remember, this isn't just
a religion. It's also a political system as well. But
in order for that to happen, there has to be chaos.
And when the chaos happens, out of the chaos will
come their Mahdi, which is their equivalent of a messiah.
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So there are people in the, the, the theocratic realm
of Iran who believe that it's their job to foment
this problem. And what better way than, hey, with a
nuclear weapon. So while President Trump is talking to representatives
in Dubai and Saudi Arabia and UAE, you know that
Iran comes up again and again and again. All of
those nation states, by the way, would like Iran to
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lose its nuclear capabilities as well. So let me turn
to CBN news. Chris Mitchell has some insight onto this
because of course you can imagine that publicly and in
private meetings while the president is in the Middle East,
he's been asked about Iran and he has a thing
or two to say about it. Have a listen.
S8 (04:26):
During Wednesday's state dinner in Qatar, Trump called on the
mayor to use his influence with Iran to help make
a deal and warn time is running out for Iran
to make a decision.
S9 (04:37):
I mean, we have two courses. There's only two courses.
There aren't three or 4 or 5. There's two. There's
a friendly and a non-friendly. And the non friendly is
a violent course and I don't want that. I'll say
it up front, I don't want that. But they have
to get moving.
S8 (04:51):
A recent report from NBC news says Iran is ready
to make concessions in its nuclear program in exchange for
lifting sanctions. The report quotes a top nuclear advisor to
the Ayatollah as saying Iran would commit to not making
nuclear weapons, disposing of its highly enriched uranium, and allow
international inspectors to supervise its process of enriching uranium for
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civilian use. However, Iran's president publicly criticized President Trump's statements
and says his country will not bow to any bully.
Trump and shake Al-Thani, the Emir of Qatar, signed both
economic and defense agreements. Al-Thani called Trump's visit historic.
S10 (05:33):
I think after signing these documents, we are going to
another level of relationship between Qatar and United States. So
I just wanted to thank you, Mr. President, again for
this historic visit.
S8 (05:44):
There are also concerns about the U.S. moving closer to
a country known for supporting terror groups. In 2022, the
Biden administration designated Qatar as a major non-NATO ally, a
designation that carries military and economic privileges. Qatar also hosts Centcom,
the largest U.S. base in the Middle East. But Yigal Carmon,
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founder of Memory Org, says Qatar also hosted Hamas leaders
for years, sponsors Islamist terror and helped build up Hamas.
S11 (06:17):
Qatar gave them billions of dollars over the years. They
became a tiny empire, military empire. All the missiles to
Tel Aviv, all the almost 40,000 weapon holders, killers, all
the drones, all the motorcycles, what have you. All their equipment. Everything.
Every single missile is is Qatar. So Qatar is Hamas.
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Hamas is Qatar. They go together.
S8 (06:45):
CBN's Raj Nair spoke with Middle East analyst Eric Stackelbeck
about President Trump hoping Syria's new president will join the
Abraham Accords.
S12 (06:54):
Does he have nefarious intentions towards Israel, or could he
truly join the Abraham Accords? In my experience, covering this
for a long time, being on the ground in the region,
and even interviewing terrorists and former terrorists, the jihadi leopard
usually doesn't change its spots. Let's hope that it's different
in Syria. President Trump taking a big chance here, but
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he's doing it at the behest of those Gulf leaders,
the Saudis, the Qataris, the UAE. They wanted Syria to
join the community of nations.
S8 (07:23):
Trump told reporters on Air Force One that despite the
fact he's not traveling to Israel, he's not sidelining the
Jewish state.
S9 (07:31):
This is good for Israel. Having a relationship like I
have with these countries, Middle Eastern countries, essentially all of them.
I think it's very good.
S8 (07:41):
President Trump ends his Middle East trip to the UAE today.
Chris Mitchell CBN news, Jerusalem.
S1 (07:48):
Closer to home, lest you think the terrorism is dead,
ABC news files this report of a former National Guardsman
who was arrested in an alleged ISIS inspired plot. Have
a listen.
S13 (08:02):
19 year old former Army National Guardsman Omar Saeed is
behind bars, accused of planning a deadly terror attack on
his fellow soldiers at a major Army weapons facility. FBI
agents surrounding Saeed Tuesday morning after they claim he launched
a drone to conduct last minute surveillance for an attack
they say he believed was about to unfold at this
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base in the suburbs of Detroit, Michigan. The alleged plan
months in the making. A mass casualty attack in the
name of ISIS involving Molotov cocktails, assault style guns and
armor piercing ammunition. Authorities say Saeed thought he was conducting
the attack with two ISIS radicals, but they were actually
undercover FBI operatives. The FBI claims that Saeed had used
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the drone to identify significant points for the attack to
kill as many victims as possible. In one exchange, one
undercover agent said that the attack would be considered successful
if ten service members were killed, to which Sayeed allegedly
responded that's good. But you know, I'm I'm hoping for
a lot more.
S1 (09:04):
And God scuttled his plans. He's still sitting on the throne.
He didn't give us a spirit of fear, but power,
love and a sound mind just goes to show you
we're not home yet. We are east of Eden. This
is not as good as it gets. The prince of
this world. Oh, he thinks he's scoring points, but greater
is he that is in us than he that is
in the world. Speaking of the world, we're going to
talk about some of those hotspots when we return with
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Bill Gertz. So get ready to think critically right after this.
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you appreciate it when Bill Gertz comes and visits with
us on a regular basis. I consider it such an
honor to call him my friend. We have been talking
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to each other for years. He is a national security
correspondent for The Washington Times. He's been there since the
mid 1980s, by the way. He's the author of multiple books.
Most of them go on to be bestsellers. He's got
a fabulous podcast as well, and he lectures at security
agencies all around the country. We talked to him last time.
He just traveled with the Secretary of Defense to the
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Asia Pacific area and came back with some pretty interesting stories.
So I think talking to him today is the president
is winging his way back from a series of meetings
with Middle Eastern countries is not by happenstance. I think
it's very timely. And you're going to find out how China,
believe it or not, works its way yet again in
the midst of even a conversation about the Middle East. So, Bill,
the warmest of welcomes. I'm so glad that you're here.
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Let me just ask you first, as somebody who writes
about national security and defense, I know you haven't taken
your eye off the ball and what's happening in the
Middle East. It was significant, obviously, in terms of trade
and tariffs and the Abraham Accords and what their relationship
will be with the nation of Israel. But the £800
gorilla in the room is the nation of Iran. The
president talked about it. The idea that Iran views Israel
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as the little Satan and the United States is the
Great Satan has never changed. The puppet master behind Hamas,
Houthis and Hezbollah is Iran. And many of those Arab
states that the president visited would like to see Iran
nuclear disarmed as much as anybody else. So give me
your sense on how you think those meetings went and
what some of the big takeaways might be.
S14 (11:33):
Well, it's it's hard to tell what is going to happen.
The Trump administration has stated clearly that they do not
believe it is acceptable for the United States as a
policy to allow Iran to have nuclear weapons, and all
signs indicate that Tehran is moving in that direction. Um,
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just yesterday, the, uh, Defense Intelligence Agency issued a missile
threat paper. It was a one page report, and it
talked about Iran developing long range missiles that have basically
one purpose to deliver nuclear weapons. Again, the official version
is that Iran has not made a decision to go
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ahead with, uh, building nuclear weapons. But it's clear to
me that they're following the North Korean example. That was the, uh,
North Korea signed up to an agreed framework that it
would not develop nuclear weapons. Got all the kinds of
nuclear technology under that agreement and then started building weapons.
Iran kind of did the same thing with the JP,
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the Joint Cooperative Agreement, uh, under the Obama administration. And
now I think they're on the path to building both
nuclear weapons and nuclear missiles. How to stop that? Well,
the right now, the Trump administration is engaged in what
they call a maximum pressure campaign. And we're seeing signs finally,
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for the first time that they're sanctioning. And Treasury just
did this last week. And this week, they're sanctioning Chinese
companies that are involved in helping Iran's nuclear and missile programs.
So we'll have to see whether they can come up
with an agreement. Uh, my view is that any kind
of an agreement with Iran is not going to be
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worth the paper that it's printed on.
S1 (13:24):
Yeah. Yeah, I agree with you 1,000%. So and I
want to go to a piece where we you talk
about beautifully backdooring again with China and Iran. That's an
alliance made in hell if there ever was one. But
when you look at Qatar and you look at the
UAE and you look at Saudi Arabia, and we know
that there are different forms of Islam, and we know
that there's a sense of tribalism in the Middle East
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and all of that. Surely those countries don't want Iran
to have nuclear capability. And that's one thing to say, gee,
it would destabilize the region. So philosophically, we're opposed to it.
But who would show up?
S14 (13:57):
Yeah, it's a good question, I don't know. I mean,
I think that those states, uh, kind of play both
sides of the aisle here. They they'll tell the U.S.. Yeah,
we don't agree that Iran should have nuclear weapons. And then,
on the other hand, they'll kind of tacitly acknowledge that, uh,
Iran could have the right to develop nuclear weapons. So
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I'm very wary of the Middle East states and their
positions on Iran.
S1 (14:24):
Yeah. Exactly right. By the way, when you talk about
that North Korean model before, if you look at their theology,
you understand that they are given permission to lie to
an entity they consider an enemy. So their attitude is,
we didn't lie to you. We did what we were
instructed to do by the Quran, which is interesting. But
I want to talk about this unholy alliance. You wrote
this piece a few days ago about the Treasury Department
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hitting sanctions to China, several companies, by the way, because
they were involved in buying millions of dollars worth of
Iranian oil. Why is that important? Well, hello. You can't
build a bomb unless you don't have money. So you
sell your product, which is oil, and you're selling it
to China. I mean, wow, so by implication, if not
by application, what is Communist China trying to do, destabilize
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the region? And would they be fans of Iran having
nuclear capability?
S14 (15:12):
That's a good question. I'm not sure what publicly they'll
state that. Oh, they favor, uh, nonproliferation and the spread
of nuclear weapons. But on the other hand, all you
have to do is look back at Pakistan. And I
wrote about this in the late 90s, early 2000 about
how China basically provided Pakistan with everything it needed to
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build nuclear weapons. And now we're on the verge of
a nuclear standoff there between India and Pakistan. So I
think China could be doing the same thing with Iran
in terms of helping Iran to get the capabilities and
technology that it needs to develop nuclear weapons. Uh, at
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the same time, uh, Beijing could be duplicitous in its
public statements saying that it doesn't support the proliferation of
nuclear weapons.
S1 (16:05):
Yeah, exactly. Raises an interesting question. China's economy is kind
of iffy right now. They need oil. They're buying it
from Iran, but they're never. You've taught me this teacher.
They're never off track from saying their move is to
have global hegemony. Do they see then, Iran as a
useful pawn on their chessboard to try to move in
that direction? In other words, I need the oil. It's, uh,
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you know, we need it to keep our our country going,
but it's not going to stand in the way of
our hegemony. If that's the case, does Iran know how
disposable they would become very quickly?
S14 (16:39):
Um, no, I don't think so. I think Iran is
developing a relationship of military relationship with, China, especially through
its military gear, especially through electronic warfare, types of things,
missile technology and the like. So I don't, you know,
I mean, I think that China is orchestrating a massive
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anti US entente involving Russia, North Korea and Iran.
S1 (17:06):
Yeah. And anybody who plays in their hand on that
is a friend of Communist China. Wow. Bill Gertz is
with us. So much to talk about. Read his books.
I've got one on my website I'll tell you about
when you get back and listen to his podcast. All
great stuff. Gertz, if you want to read his columns
on a regular basis back after this. So I told you,
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I want to tell you about one of Bill's books. Remember,
he's written many books and most of them have become bestsellers.
But I always start with deceiving the Sky because it
is one of the best books I have ever read
about this philosophical theological. I think I can use that
word correctly. Goal of Communist China, which is global domination.
They will stop at nothing and they are very creative,
like a deadly octopus. All of their tendril outreach is
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the way in which they impact culture globally, and particularly
here in the United States. We are not immune by
any stretch of the imagination. And I know when you
read this book, which reads like a novel, you will
be so drawn into the rest of his books you'll
get them. So start with deceiving the sky inside Communist
China's drive for global supremacy. Bill Gertz is with us again,
national security correspondent for The Washington Times. So we were
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talking about the Middle East. And let me linger here
a little bit longer, because, Bill, you've been writing about
and I know you've done this for quite some time,
but I'm I don't know how much our friends all
across America that are listening right now know what the
Golden Dome missile defense system is? Um, if you've traveled
to Israel, if you've interacted at all with the IDF,
you know what it is. But I think people need
to understand its importance. Talk to me about this.
S14 (18:39):
Sure. Um, I just gave welcoming remarks, uh, in Washington
at the Pentagon City Rich. We had a conference hosted
by the Washington Times and our new newsletter called Threat
Status on Golden Dome. And I gave the welcoming remarks,
and it was kind of a history of missile defense.
And I made the point that, uh, in the news business,
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we like issues that are politically, uh, controversial or there's
political conflict. And throughout my career, going back to the 80s,
I've been highlighting the need for missile defense against critics
of missile defense who say that it's destabilizing and will
will will lead to nuclear war. Uh, and of course,
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Ronald Reagan shot that down. Uh, then there was a
backtracking under George H.W. Bush, and then George W Bush
actually withdrew from the ABM treaty, which prohibited national missile defense.
But now we're back to we have a national missile defense,
but it's very limited. It's almost symbolic. It's basically designed
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to stop a few North Korean long range missiles, and
does nothing to stop Russian massive Russian missiles or, uh,
Chinese missiles. And so President Trump announced in January what
he called the Iron Dome for America. And Iron Dome
is a riff off of the Israeli missile defense system,
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which is pretty much designed to stop short range and
long range missiles and is very effective. Uh, it was
since changed by the Pentagon to the Golden Dome for America.
And the bottom line is, we don't know yet what
the architecture, what the means of this system. I can
tell you what I've heard from my sources and based
on this recent conference, is that what they're looking at
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is to expand the current system of missile defenses that
we already have, which, again, is the limited system of
44 ground based interceptors that are based in Alaska and
a few in Vandenberg Air Force Base in California, along
with the. A number of Aegis Battle Management powered missile
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defense destroyers that we have and also the Army has
a very effective system called the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense,
or Thad, which is very effective. So right now, among
the experts who talked about it at this conference, uh,
that we went to two days ago, uh, they said
basically what you can do is expand what we currently have,
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but we need a new space based component. This is
something that the Biden administration has refused to do, allow
us to deploy needed weapons in space to counter some
of the exotic weapons that both the Russians and the
Chinese are building, such as the what they call a
fractional orbital bombardment system. It's a space based attack system
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that can travel all the way around the Earth and
then target a ground target, and the Russians are talking
about putting a nuclear weapon in space, which could involve
the electronics killing, uh, electromagnetic pulse or EMP.
S1 (21:53):
Yeah, we've talked about that for ages. Wow. That's amazing.
So let me do some rudimentary stuff here, because I
find this absolutely fascinating. I hadn't thought about the space component,
so you really would need something so that it could
globally trigger whatever was necessary. Predominantly. So friends, understand this.
This is an interception system, is it not?
S14 (22:11):
Yes. Well, it can be a range of, uh, of things. Uh,
mainly right now, all of our missile defenses, uh, are
designed with kinetic warheads. In other words, precision guided, uh, projectiles,
which go so fast they ram into a missile warhead or.
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A missile shortly after launch and knock it out. Um,
the Israelis figured out that that wasn't the best way
to do it. It's it's it's you can do it,
but it's very difficult. It requires exquisite sensors and tracking devices.
What the Israelis did with Iron Dome was they used
an explosive warhead. And what that allowed you to do
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was you didn't have to hit it directly. Again, hitting
a bullet with a bullet, which is a physics challenge.
But if you get near it and you explode it,
that's good enough. So it would be good if we
did that. We're also looking at the missile defense. People
are looking at something called Left of Launch. That is
prior to a missile being launched. If you can get
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inside the command and control system and either retarget the
missile on the enemy themselves or frustrated and sabotage it
in such a way that it will blow up on
the launch pad, that would be a very effective missile
defense as well. So they're looking at a number of things,
but on the space based component, it actually goes back
to the Star Wars system under Reagan, as they called it.
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And this was, an idea of something called Brilliant Pebbles,
which is hundreds of small satellites that could fire projectiles
at launched missiles. Wow. They may be doing something like
that now.
S1 (23:53):
Unbelievable. So much to talk about. Bill Gertz is with us.
He's with the Washington Times. Again. Gertz. Philly.com. gertz.com. You
can read his columns on a regular basis. He's just
cutting edge all the time. And so excellent as a
reporter and a columnist. We appreciate him so very, very much. Again,
don't forget you can read all of his books, but
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start with deceiving the sky inside Communist China's drive for
global supremacy. Have a link in my information page. We've
got more time with Bill back after this. The Bible
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with Janet Parshall. We always enjoy spending time with Bill Gertz,
national security correspondent for The Washington Times, the author of
multiple books, most of them bestsellers, and also hosts a
fabulous podcast. If you want to read his columns on
a regular basis, you can subscribe to The Washington Times.
You can also go to Gertz. Com. Com. All of
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that's on the information page. I would recommend everyone of
Bill's books. I would start with deceiving the Sky. I've
said it before, a little tongue in cheek, but it's true.
It's not bedtime reading. Okay, these people are serious. And
I'm so grateful for Bill because in such a calm, collected,
fact filled Conversation, he can let us know. Listen, it's
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like it's like Nehemiah in the Old Testament. You're a
watchman on the wall. You're paying. It hasn't a matter
of being fearful. It's a matter of being prepared. And
that takes me back to something you just said that
I want to pick up on the I. I am
fascinated by MPs. I think they are going to be
very much a part of the weaponry of the future.
And I mean the short future ahead. Not a long future,
but right around the corner. So if the former Soviet
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Union is already talking about getting something up in space
where they have the capability to do that, and we're
talking about that over national radio, it begs the question,
and I'm going to ask what seems very sophomoric a question,
but if you and I are talking about it, therefore
this information is now in the mainstream. Does the Pentagon,
our DoD, are we working for a way? We were
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just talking about mental a missile intercept capability. Are we
building a system of defense against an EMP if it
ever were to happen?
S14 (26:33):
That's a good question. You know, there was pressure from
Congress for a number of years, probably about ten years ago,
they had a special EMP commission, and their main motivation
was to spur on the government to do more in
the realm of defense against electronic electromagnetic pulse. And you
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know what? It's not just from a nuclear weapon. It
can actually happen from a massive solar storm. Could have
the same impact. It could. It could devastate all types
of electronics. Um, and I think that they're trying to
develop some electronic hardening of critical infrastructure and things like that.
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But again, the problem is a lot of our critical infrastructure,
especially our electric grid and the things that control all
of our critical infrastructure are in private hands. And for them,
it's a bottom line issue to how much do you
want to invest to protect against a theoretical or real
potential threat of a of an EMP attack? And again,
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it's not just Russia. Russia is actually building something that could, uh,
orbit a nuclear weapon. And again, the weapon, we don't
know exactly what they're doing with it, but it could
have two possible functions. One, it could launch a nuclear
strike from space to the ground, or two, it could
detonate a nuclear device above the atmosphere over cities or
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various areas, and create an electromagnetic pulse, which could knock
out electricity, uh, all electronics over very large distances. Uh,
you know, by the way, North Korea, which again, has
long range missiles and nuclear weapons, could do a similar thing.
But rather than taking the risk of attacking a city
with nuclear weapons, they could do the same. They could
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do very much damage with, uh, an electromagnetic pulse, uh,
just above the atmosphere over various cities or the United States.
S1 (28:32):
Yeah. So in a word, I don't think you have
to be a member of the DoD or serve at
the Pentagon. You cannot afford to live in yesterday's technology.
This is not just this isn't the long range future.
This is the present. And, you know, there's the old
adage here that the best offense is a good defense.
We need to be prepared. It seems to me particularly
because yesterday you wrote a piece where now you've got
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the DEA predicting that China could have 4000 hypersonic missiles
by 2035. Bill, that's just ten years away. Talk to
me about this.
S14 (29:05):
Yeah. I'm like, yikes. Holy smokes. You know, I mean, I,
I had to look again to see, uh, if this
was really their prediction because, uh, they estimate again, this
was a one page, uh, Defense Intelligence Agency report, the top,
the title of which was Golden Dome for America Current
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and Future Missile Threats to the homeland. And they went
through all the various types of missile threats. Intercontinental ballistic missiles.
Submarine launched ballistic missiles. Uh, hypersonic glide vehicles and weapons,
land attack cruise missiles. And of course, that that fractional
orbital bombardment system I mentioned. But, uh, what really jumped
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out at me was the fact that they, they list
by country the number of current hypersonic missiles. Right now,
China has 600, 600 hypersonic missiles. The United States, you know,
basically gave up on this technology. And the Chinese and
Russians stole it from us and put it to use.
And now we're trying to catch up with our own
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hypersonic missiles. And and then it says by 2035 they
could have 4000 of these, these weapons. That's, that's that's
an incredible jump in ten years to go from 600
to 4000. And of course, on the, on the, on
the Russians, they have about 2 to 300 now and
are going to go to about 1000 hypersonic missiles in 2035.
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This according to this Dia report.
S1 (30:34):
And this goes back full circle, does it not to
why the president in February and you write about this
in your piece has ordered the Pentagon that they need
to build a missile defense system, which goes right to
the Golden Dome for America. And again, I understand you
and you and I know Washington inside out. Nothing happens
without funding. Congress is the one that greenlights the money
that's going to fund the Department of Defense. Um, this
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is not a partisan issue. None of these missiles would
stop and say, let's see, where do the Republicans live?
Where do the Democrats live? It's America. That's their enemy.
They don't care what political party you subscribe to. Is
this the sort of thing? And I ask you this
only because I know that, you know, the executive branch
and all its agencies, but I know that you know
how Congress works as well. Is this going to be
one of those things? Well, we hate Trump. Therefore we're
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not going to fund it. In the meantime, how many
American lives are you putting at risk while China stockpiles
its missiles?
S14 (31:23):
Yeah. It's, uh, that's really a challenge. And I think, uh, our,
our political system has kind of degenerated into, uh, what
I call, a hyper reactionary. That is, whoever is in
power has to go strongly against who is ever in
power before them. It's it's kind of a third world mentality.
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But I think clearly that's what we're seeing on the
part of the Democrats. They've they really got what, uh,
people call Trump Derangement Syndrome. Anything that Trump supported or
wanted to do, they will oppose. Uh, and I think
in the case of Golden Dome, I think that they
will also oppose that. We haven't we haven't really heard
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much from the Democrats on this idea of Golden Dome. But, uh,
in the context of the Trump administration, they're they're very
much focused on the Western Hemisphere, uh, securing the Western Hemisphere.
That's why we heard discussions about Greenland, about Canada, about
Panama Canal and Latin America and, uh, and basically securing
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the hemisphere and our borders. Uh, on the other hand, uh,
the Democrats are still stuck in the old Soviet Cold
War era where they think arms control agreements, talks and negotiations,
going to Geneva and having lavish dinners and long term discussions,
and coming up with an agreement that, for the most part,
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the United States will abide by and other nations will
ignore and cheat on, basically. And that's kind of the
culture of national security on a lot of these long
term strategic issues. That's kind of where we are today.
S1 (33:04):
Well, you brought up two excellent points. Number one, let
me go to the second part of what you said. First,
these are not the days of Khrushchev and Brezhnev anymore.
This is the era of Putin. And they're not a friend.
They're not an ally. I mean, I love the approach
that we're trying to do now, which is blessed are
the peacemakers. There was an awful lot of conversation on
this Middle East trip about peace. The idea of lifting
sanctions in Syria so that there might be peace in
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that part of the world. I mean, all of that
is terrific. But it goes back to Reagan again, trust
but verify. I goes a little earlier than that. Even
Teddy Roosevelt walked softly. But carry a big stick. You
have to be its strength, right? But the strength is
gained by knowing that we are prepared to protect ourselves
if absolutely necessary. So that's that's point number one that
I think is important. Point number two is, um, while
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it's sort of narrow and is fiddling while Rome is
burning situation, you can make this a personality fight if
you want to. But in the meantime, when you just
ticked off all those parts of the world, it has
nothing to do with an individual wanting expansionism. Every one
of those areas that you mentioned about has everything under
the sun to do with defense. So you brought up
Greenland for a lot of people who've got nothing more
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than a 32nd soundbite on an alphabet soup network. Why
is there even conversation about Greenland? It isn't expansionism. You know,
my granny came from Iceland. And I have to tell
you a little quick story. They purposely misnamed the islands
because the Icelanders didn't want people to come to Iceland
and Overpopulate, so they called themselves Iceland, thinking that that
would deter people. And then they called the big ice
cap Greenland, thinking people would go there instead, so they
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laugh about it as Icelanders to this day. So why
are we even talking about Greenland at this point? What
value is it to us?
S14 (34:40):
Well, Greenland is strategically located in the Arctic, which is
a new geopolitical battleground. Uh, the Chinese and the Russians
are trying to make their way into that area. China
has called itself a near-arctic power, even though it has
has no connection to the Arctic at all. And, of course,
the Russians have been setting up military bases in the
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the northern Arctic region. Um, so they're looking to gain
the resources from there. There's a lot of oil and
other resources up there. So I think Greenland sits very
close to strategic waterways. Now, we already have Alaska, which serves, uh,
in the western part of our country as, as a, uh,
a place where we have a lot of strategic areas
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and we're just opening up a new radar facility on
the remote Aleutian Island of Adak, which is going to
be part of that. So I think they're looking at
Greenland to be another way to protect the United States, because, again,
this Dia report that I mentioned, it talked about the
Russians having the ability to to to fire long range
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cruise missiles from their aircraft at the approaches to areas
where Greenland would be.
S1 (35:57):
And you make an excellent point, and it's filled with
historic perspective. It looks like Seward's Folly wasn't a folly
at all. If you're a student of history, you know
that it was the U.S. Secretary of State at the time,
William Seward, who signed a treaty with, of all places,
Russia for the purchase of Alaska for $7 million. Now,
just think how strategic that is in terms of national defense.
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Hello to my friends listening in Alaska. We appreciate you
more with Bill Gertz right after this. Bill Gertz is
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with us, national security correspondent for The Washington Times. He
is an award winning journalist. He's a best selling author,
written multiple books, and he hosts his own podcast, which
is fabulous as well. Bill, you just wrote this today,
and I'm bringing it to our attention, even though we've
been talking about this issue. I want to see if
there's anything out of the piece that you wrote about
Senator Deb Fischer, who's chair of the Senate Armed Services
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Subcommittee on Strategic Forces. That should be added into what
we've been talking about, because I was just asking you
about congressional will. Well, it looks like Senator Fischer at
least thinks that the time has come to start doing something.
But she talks specifically about certain electromagnetic bands. How does
this work in the big picture?
S14 (37:20):
Yes. This was again, she was the keynote speaker at
the Washington Times Golden Dome, um, thing. And she spoke
right after me. And you mentioned my website. I've posted
the video of my remarks there, which were are worth
listening to. It's kind of a history of missile defense,
but she's very concerned that the electromagnetic spectrum is being
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given up by the Pentagon for commercial use. This is
a bandwidth, basically for communications. And she's very concerned that
in order to be able to have an effective Golden
Dome nationwide missile defense system, that the Pentagon needs to
protect certain bands within this electromagnetic spectrum. And that was
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one of her key topics there. And she mentioned that
the Northcom commander, General Guillot, is has expressed worries about
this in recent congressional testimony.
S1 (38:15):
Wow. So again, we need to watch. You know, I'm
going to look at the glass half full. The fact
that we're having even conversations about this, there have been
years where there wasn't a sentence spoken on Capitol Hill
about this. So the fact that there is, number one,
the call for the Golden Dome, number two, the fact
that there is an awareness now that there is an
accelerated build up for hypersonic missiles, both by China and
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North Korea. This isn't a situation where we can just
have a philosophical conversation. We've got to put some will
into the desire to get ourselves protected. So I'm going
to walk away from this saying, I'm encouraged that at
least we're starting to have conversations. We went years where
this wasn't discussed at all. But to go back to
the reality of the glass, you wrote a piece not
too long ago that says China at a, quote, rapid
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boil for military action. This is a warning that came
from an admiral. Tell my friends about this.
S14 (39:04):
Yeah, this is a this was a speech by Admiral
Sam Paparo, who, for my money, has been the most
forward leaning military commander that we have. And I've seen
a lot of, uh, a lot of times what happens
to the, uh, senior four star admirals and generals is
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that they tend to, uh, uh, curb their. comments and
statements when they get the fourth star or even the
third star. In the case of Admiral Paparo, he has
been sounding the alarm on the Chinese military buildup in
a very, very effective way. And he gave a speech
by saying that China is putting this full court military
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pressure on Taiwan and the exercises that we've described, and
they described them on almost a daily basis by the Taiwanese.
They talk about scores of aircraft, and dozens of ships
are sailing around there. And Admiral Paparo said that they're
not really exercises. They're rehearsals and the design there, they're
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really getting ready for some type of future attack. And
it could come as early as 2027. According to the
Chinese themselves. They're talking about having the ability to use
military force to conduct a very difficult military operation across
the 100 mile wide Taiwan Strait. That is basically taking
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your forces and trying to take over this island. When
I was, uh, traveling with Defense Secretary Hegseth in March,
we went to Hawaii, and there they gave a briefing.
And the briefing said that China's strategy for taking over
Taiwan is a blitzkrieg, 14 day attack that would seek
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to be in the capital of Taiwan, Taipei, within 14 days.
And so, obviously, with that bit of knowledge, you can
understand that the military is going to follow the model
of Ukraine. Again, the same thing was was Vladimir Putin's
calculus when he invaded Ukraine, that he could quickly take
over the country and get in the capital, Kyiv, in
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a very short period of time. So everything now is
being done to make sure that they can't fulfill that
14 day strategy.
S1 (41:23):
Well, let me quote the admiral from your piece because
I thought it was a chilling comment. He said, You
know the metaphor of the boiling frog? Well, it's a
rapid boil. We notice. Quick change. Now this is our
military observing what a rogue nation is doing. Communist China again,
as you said, they're not just exercises. This is a rehearsal,
which raises an interesting question. And I ask you this
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all the time, Bill, because it seems to fluctuate like
the weather. I'm not sure to this day if China
were to move forward with this blitzkrieg kind of approach
to take over Taiwan. And by the way, that shouldn't
come as a surprise to any person who's awake because
China has said this is their stated goal. And you
talk about by 2027, we're talking 18 months from now.
(42:04):
So the idea of getting everything in place from the
communist regime's perspective makes perfect sense to me. If I
wanted to be that kind of an aggressor, what I
don't understand well, I see with clarity what China wants
to do. What I don't understand is this little island
nation of Taiwan who comes to their defense.
S14 (42:21):
That's a very good question. Of course, under the Biden administration,
they were pretty blunt about it. President Biden said several
times that the U.S. would protect Taiwan and defend it
militarily if they were attacked by the People's Liberation Army,
the Chinese Communist Party military arm. The Trump administration is
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reverting more to the strategic ambiguity, and some of their
officials have also voiced some very concerning neo isolationist things.
But here's the bottom line Taiwan is the leading manufacturer
of advanced microchips, and one of my tech buddies told
me that, uh, microchips are the new oil for the
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21st century. And in that sense, Taiwan is the new
Saudi Arabia. They've got really valuable ability to produce advanced microchips,
and they need to be protected for for the entire
free world.
S1 (43:17):
Exactly. But it doesn't it make more sense now. So
it isn't just blind eyed communist expansionism. This would absolutely
enhance their economy if they could get the market on this.
It's just like getting the market on oil. As you
were just talking about before. So, you know, I always
love to tell my friends, look, you walk through life
with the Bible in one hand and the newspaper in
the other. We got all of this fabulous information from you.
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And now what we need to do is we need
to pray for those in authority, for real wisdom, for
those who have to make decisions here in the United
States about not if and when China moves aggressively against Taiwan.
Knowing that Taiwan has an asset that is valuable to
the entire world, what role would the United States play?
Those are huge questions. I think it's why Shakespeare said
heavy is the head that wears the crown. This is
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tough stuff. And that's why Paul told Timothy, you're supposed
to pray for those people in authority, right? So let's
do that. Bill. Thank you. Your writing is superb. I
just follow you everything that you write. Thank you so
much for consistency, clarity and integrity in all that you do.
In the meantime, friends read every one of Bill's books,
but start with deceiving the sky inside Communist China's drive
(44:21):
for global supremacy. It's a wake up call. Thank you Bill. Thanks, friends.
We'll see you next time.
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Here are some of the news headlines we're watching.
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The conference was over. The president won a pledge.
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Americans worshiping government over God.
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Extremely rare safety move by a major 17 years.
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The Palestinians and Israelis negotiated.
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Everything is not.
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Hi, friends.
S1 (02:01):
Welcome to In the Market with Janet Parshall. A very
happy Thursday to you. Hope you're having a great day.
We're going to go international. We're going to talk about
national security and defense with one of Washington's preeminent columnists,
Bill Gertz. And he's got a lot to say, uh,
particularly when we look at what's happening in the Middle East,
a series of very, very interesting and important meetings I
posted on X earlier today. I hope we're praying. I
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hope we're praying because there's a lot of decisions that
are going to impact a lot of people in a
lot of areas in the world, not just economically, but
in terms of human rights and what happens to the
nation of Israel. And in the meantime, I got to
tell you that Iran keeps popping up on those conversations
by no surprise whatsoever. We know. And it's it's our
(02:43):
conversations with Hormuz Chariot who quickens our hearts and minds
and helps us understand that Iran internally wants to play
the strong man externally, the world knows that they're starting
to lose their footing and that they're very much vulnerable
right now. Hormuz teaches us that the average Iranian supports
Israel would love for there to be a way in
which the Ayatollah Khomeini would be removed, and they could
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once again breathe free, rather than having the heavy boot
of theocracy on their necks. So I think we need
to be praying for the Iranian people. But in the meantime,
what do we do when there's this blind subscription to
their eschatology? They believe, just like the communist Chinese, the
same theme, different tune, they really and truly are looking
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for global domination only instead of hegemony. And we'll certainly
talk about this when he joins us. They're looking for
global domination with an Islamic domination that the whole world
will be islamicized. If you will remember, this isn't just
a religion. It's also a political system as well. But
in order for that to happen, there has to be chaos.
And when the chaos happens, out of the chaos will
come their Mahdi, which is their equivalent of a messiah.
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So there are people in the, the, the theocratic realm
of Iran who believe that it's their job to foment
this problem. And what better way than, hey, with a
nuclear weapon. So while President Trump is talking to representatives
in Dubai and Saudi Arabia and UAE, you know that
Iran comes up again and again and again. All of
those nation states, by the way, would like Iran to
(04:10):
lose its nuclear capabilities as well. So let me turn
to CBN news. Chris Mitchell has some insight onto this
because of course you can imagine that publicly and in
private meetings while the president is in the Middle East,
he's been asked about Iran and he has a thing
or two to say about it. Have a listen.
S8 (04:26):
During Wednesday's state dinner in Qatar, Trump called on the
mayor to use his influence with Iran to help make
a deal and warn time is running out for Iran
to make a decision.
S9 (04:37):
I mean, we have two courses. There's only two courses.
There aren't three or 4 or 5. There's two. There's
a friendly and a non-friendly. And the non friendly is
a violent course and I don't want that. I'll say
it up front, I don't want that. But they have
to get moving.
S8 (04:51):
A recent report from NBC news says Iran is ready
to make concessions in its nuclear program in exchange for
lifting sanctions. The report quotes a top nuclear advisor to
the Ayatollah as saying Iran would commit to not making
nuclear weapons, disposing of its highly enriched uranium, and allow
international inspectors to supervise its process of enriching uranium for
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civilian use. However, Iran's president publicly criticized President Trump's statements
and says his country will not bow to any bully.
Trump and shake Al-Thani, the Emir of Qatar, signed both
economic and defense agreements. Al-Thani called Trump's visit historic.
S10 (05:33):
I think after signing these documents, we are going to
another level of relationship between Qatar and United States. So
I just wanted to thank you, Mr. President, again for
this historic visit.
S8 (05:44):
There are also concerns about the U.S. moving closer to
a country known for supporting terror groups. In 2022, the
Biden administration designated Qatar as a major non-NATO ally, a
designation that carries military and economic privileges. Qatar also hosts Centcom,
the largest U.S. base in the Middle East. But Yigal Carmon,
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founder of Memory Org, says Qatar also hosted Hamas leaders
for years, sponsors Islamist terror and helped build up Hamas.
S11 (06:17):
Qatar gave them billions of dollars over the years. They
became a tiny empire, military empire. All the missiles to
Tel Aviv, all the almost 40,000 weapon holders, killers, all
the drones, all the motorcycles, what have you. All their equipment. Everything.
Every single missile is is Qatar. So Qatar is Hamas.
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Hamas is Qatar. They go together.
S8 (06:45):
CBN's Raj Nair spoke with Middle East analyst Eric Stackelbeck
about President Trump hoping Syria's new president will join the
Abraham Accords.
S12 (06:54):
Does he have nefarious intentions towards Israel, or could he
truly join the Abraham Accords? In my experience, covering this
for a long time, being on the ground in the region,
and even interviewing terrorists and former terrorists, the jihadi leopard
usually doesn't change its spots. Let's hope that it's different
in Syria. President Trump taking a big chance here, but
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he's doing it at the behest of those Gulf leaders,
the Saudis, the Qataris, the UAE. They wanted Syria to
join the community of nations.
S8 (07:23):
Trump told reporters on Air Force One that despite the
fact he's not traveling to Israel, he's not sidelining the
Jewish state.
S9 (07:31):
This is good for Israel. Having a relationship like I
have with these countries, Middle Eastern countries, essentially all of them.
I think it's very good.
S8 (07:41):
President Trump ends his Middle East trip to the UAE today.
Chris Mitchell CBN news, Jerusalem.
S1 (07:48):
Closer to home, lest you think the terrorism is dead,
ABC news files this report of a former National Guardsman
who was arrested in an alleged ISIS inspired plot. Have
a listen.
S13 (08:02):
19 year old former Army National Guardsman Omar Saeed is
behind bars, accused of planning a deadly terror attack on
his fellow soldiers at a major Army weapons facility. FBI
agents surrounding Saeed Tuesday morning after they claim he launched
a drone to conduct last minute surveillance for an attack
they say he believed was about to unfold at this
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base in the suburbs of Detroit, Michigan. The alleged plan
months in the making. A mass casualty attack in the
name of ISIS involving Molotov cocktails, assault style guns and
armor piercing ammunition. Authorities say Saeed thought he was conducting
the attack with two ISIS radicals, but they were actually
undercover FBI operatives. The FBI claims that Saeed had used
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the drone to identify significant points for the attack to
kill as many victims as possible. In one exchange, one
undercover agent said that the attack would be considered successful
if ten service members were killed, to which Sayeed allegedly
responded that's good. But you know, I'm I'm hoping for
a lot more.
S1 (09:04):
And God scuttled his plans. He's still sitting on the throne.
He didn't give us a spirit of fear, but power,
love and a sound mind just goes to show you
we're not home yet. We are east of Eden. This
is not as good as it gets. The prince of
this world. Oh, he thinks he's scoring points, but greater
is he that is in us than he that is
in the world. Speaking of the world, we're going to
talk about some of those hotspots when we return with
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Bill Gertz. So get ready to think critically right after this.
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In the market with Janet Parshall. I know how much
you appreciate it when Bill Gertz comes and visits with
us on a regular basis. I consider it such an
honor to call him my friend. We have been talking
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to each other for years. He is a national security
correspondent for The Washington Times. He's been there since the
mid 1980s, by the way. He's the author of multiple books.
Most of them go on to be bestsellers. He's got
a fabulous podcast as well, and he lectures at security
agencies all around the country. We talked to him last time.
He just traveled with the Secretary of Defense to the
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Asia Pacific area and came back with some pretty interesting stories.
So I think talking to him today is the president
is winging his way back from a series of meetings
with Middle Eastern countries is not by happenstance. I think
it's very timely. And you're going to find out how China,
believe it or not, works its way yet again in
the midst of even a conversation about the Middle East. So, Bill,
the warmest of welcomes. I'm so glad that you're here.
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Let me just ask you first, as somebody who writes
about national security and defense, I know you haven't taken
your eye off the ball and what's happening in the
Middle East. It was significant, obviously, in terms of trade
and tariffs and the Abraham Accords and what their relationship
will be with the nation of Israel. But the £800
gorilla in the room is the nation of Iran. The
president talked about it. The idea that Iran views Israel
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as the little Satan and the United States is the
Great Satan has never changed. The puppet master behind Hamas,
Houthis and Hezbollah is Iran. And many of those Arab
states that the president visited would like to see Iran
nuclear disarmed as much as anybody else. So give me
your sense on how you think those meetings went and
what some of the big takeaways might be.
S14 (11:33):
Well, it's it's hard to tell what is going to happen.
The Trump administration has stated clearly that they do not
believe it is acceptable for the United States as a
policy to allow Iran to have nuclear weapons, and all
signs indicate that Tehran is moving in that direction. Um,
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just yesterday, the, uh, Defense Intelligence Agency issued a missile
threat paper. It was a one page report, and it
talked about Iran developing long range missiles that have basically
one purpose to deliver nuclear weapons. Again, the official version
is that Iran has not made a decision to go
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ahead with, uh, building nuclear weapons. But it's clear to
me that they're following the North Korean example. That was the, uh,
North Korea signed up to an agreed framework that it
would not develop nuclear weapons. Got all the kinds of
nuclear technology under that agreement and then started building weapons.
Iran kind of did the same thing with the JP,
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the Joint Cooperative Agreement, uh, under the Obama administration. And
now I think they're on the path to building both
nuclear weapons and nuclear missiles. How to stop that? Well,
the right now, the Trump administration is engaged in what
they call a maximum pressure campaign. And we're seeing signs finally,
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for the first time that they're sanctioning. And Treasury just
did this last week. And this week, they're sanctioning Chinese
companies that are involved in helping Iran's nuclear and missile programs.
So we'll have to see whether they can come up
with an agreement. Uh, my view is that any kind
of an agreement with Iran is not going to be
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worth the paper that it's printed on.
S1 (13:24):
Yeah. Yeah, I agree with you 1,000%. So and I
want to go to a piece where we you talk
about beautifully backdooring again with China and Iran. That's an
alliance made in hell if there ever was one. But
when you look at Qatar and you look at the
UAE and you look at Saudi Arabia, and we know
that there are different forms of Islam, and we know
that there's a sense of tribalism in the Middle East
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and all of that. Surely those countries don't want Iran
to have nuclear capability. And that's one thing to say, gee,
it would destabilize the region. So philosophically, we're opposed to it.
But who would show up?
S14 (13:57):
Yeah, it's a good question, I don't know. I mean,
I think that those states, uh, kind of play both
sides of the aisle here. They they'll tell the U.S.. Yeah,
we don't agree that Iran should have nuclear weapons. And then,
on the other hand, they'll kind of tacitly acknowledge that, uh,
Iran could have the right to develop nuclear weapons. So
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I'm very wary of the Middle East states and their
positions on Iran.
S1 (14:24):
Yeah. Exactly right. By the way, when you talk about
that North Korean model before, if you look at their theology,
you understand that they are given permission to lie to
an entity they consider an enemy. So their attitude is,
we didn't lie to you. We did what we were
instructed to do by the Quran, which is interesting. But
I want to talk about this unholy alliance. You wrote
this piece a few days ago about the Treasury Department
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hitting sanctions to China, several companies, by the way, because
they were involved in buying millions of dollars worth of
Iranian oil. Why is that important? Well, hello. You can't
build a bomb unless you don't have money. So you
sell your product, which is oil, and you're selling it
to China. I mean, wow, so by implication, if not
by application, what is Communist China trying to do, destabilize
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the region? And would they be fans of Iran having
nuclear capability?
S14 (15:12):
That's a good question. I'm not sure what publicly they'll
state that. Oh, they favor, uh, nonproliferation and the spread
of nuclear weapons. But on the other hand, all you
have to do is look back at Pakistan. And I
wrote about this in the late 90s, early 2000 about
how China basically provided Pakistan with everything it needed to
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build nuclear weapons. And now we're on the verge of
a nuclear standoff there between India and Pakistan. So I
think China could be doing the same thing with Iran
in terms of helping Iran to get the capabilities and
technology that it needs to develop nuclear weapons. Uh, at
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the same time, uh, Beijing could be duplicitous in its
public statements saying that it doesn't support the proliferation of
nuclear weapons.
S1 (16:05):
Yeah, exactly. Raises an interesting question. China's economy is kind
of iffy right now. They need oil. They're buying it
from Iran, but they're never. You've taught me this teacher.
They're never off track from saying their move is to
have global hegemony. Do they see then, Iran as a
useful pawn on their chessboard to try to move in
that direction? In other words, I need the oil. It's, uh,
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you know, we need it to keep our our country going,
but it's not going to stand in the way of
our hegemony. If that's the case, does Iran know how
disposable they would become very quickly?
S14 (16:39):
Um, no, I don't think so. I think Iran is
developing a relationship of military relationship with, China, especially through
its military gear, especially through electronic warfare, types of things,
missile technology and the like. So I don't, you know,
I mean, I think that China is orchestrating a massive
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anti US entente involving Russia, North Korea and Iran.
S1 (17:06):
Yeah. And anybody who plays in their hand on that
is a friend of Communist China. Wow. Bill Gertz is
with us. So much to talk about. Read his books.
I've got one on my website I'll tell you about
when you get back and listen to his podcast. All
great stuff. Gertz, if you want to read his columns
on a regular basis back after this. So I told you,
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I want to tell you about one of Bill's books. Remember,
he's written many books and most of them have become bestsellers.
But I always start with deceiving the Sky because it
is one of the best books I have ever read
about this philosophical theological. I think I can use that
word correctly. Goal of Communist China, which is global domination.
They will stop at nothing and they are very creative,
like a deadly octopus. All of their tendril outreach is
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the way in which they impact culture globally, and particularly
here in the United States. We are not immune by
any stretch of the imagination. And I know when you
read this book, which reads like a novel, you will
be so drawn into the rest of his books you'll
get them. So start with deceiving the sky inside Communist
China's drive for global supremacy. Bill Gertz is with us again,
national security correspondent for The Washington Times. So we were
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talking about the Middle East. And let me linger here
a little bit longer, because, Bill, you've been writing about
and I know you've done this for quite some time,
but I'm I don't know how much our friends all
across America that are listening right now know what the
Golden Dome missile defense system is? Um, if you've traveled
to Israel, if you've interacted at all with the IDF,
you know what it is. But I think people need
to understand its importance. Talk to me about this.
S14 (18:39):
Sure. Um, I just gave welcoming remarks, uh, in Washington
at the Pentagon City Rich. We had a conference hosted
by the Washington Times and our new newsletter called Threat
Status on Golden Dome. And I gave the welcoming remarks,
and it was kind of a history of missile defense.
And I made the point that, uh, in the news business,
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we like issues that are politically, uh, controversial or there's
political conflict. And throughout my career, going back to the 80s,
I've been highlighting the need for missile defense against critics
of missile defense who say that it's destabilizing and will
will will lead to nuclear war. Uh, and of course,
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Ronald Reagan shot that down. Uh, then there was a
backtracking under George H.W. Bush, and then George W Bush
actually withdrew from the ABM treaty, which prohibited national missile defense.
But now we're back to we have a national missile defense,
but it's very limited. It's almost symbolic. It's basically designed
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to stop a few North Korean long range missiles, and
does nothing to stop Russian massive Russian missiles or, uh,
Chinese missiles. And so President Trump announced in January what
he called the Iron Dome for America. And Iron Dome
is a riff off of the Israeli missile defense system,
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which is pretty much designed to stop short range and
long range missiles and is very effective. Uh, it was
since changed by the Pentagon to the Golden Dome for America.
And the bottom line is, we don't know yet what
the architecture, what the means of this system. I can
tell you what I've heard from my sources and based
on this recent conference, is that what they're looking at
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is to expand the current system of missile defenses that
we already have, which, again, is the limited system of
44 ground based interceptors that are based in Alaska and
a few in Vandenberg Air Force Base in California, along
with the. A number of Aegis Battle Management powered missile
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defense destroyers that we have and also the Army has
a very effective system called the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense,
or Thad, which is very effective. So right now, among
the experts who talked about it at this conference, uh,
that we went to two days ago, uh, they said
basically what you can do is expand what we currently have,
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but we need a new space based component. This is
something that the Biden administration has refused to do, allow
us to deploy needed weapons in space to counter some
of the exotic weapons that both the Russians and the
Chinese are building, such as the what they call a
fractional orbital bombardment system. It's a space based attack system
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that can travel all the way around the Earth and
then target a ground target, and the Russians are talking
about putting a nuclear weapon in space, which could involve
the electronics killing, uh, electromagnetic pulse or EMP.
S1 (21:53):
Yeah, we've talked about that for ages. Wow. That's amazing.
So let me do some rudimentary stuff here, because I
find this absolutely fascinating. I hadn't thought about the space component,
so you really would need something so that it could
globally trigger whatever was necessary. Predominantly. So friends, understand this.
This is an interception system, is it not?
S14 (22:11):
Yes. Well, it can be a range of, uh, of things. Uh,
mainly right now, all of our missile defenses, uh, are
designed with kinetic warheads. In other words, precision guided, uh, projectiles,
which go so fast they ram into a missile warhead or.
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A missile shortly after launch and knock it out. Um,
the Israelis figured out that that wasn't the best way
to do it. It's it's it's you can do it,
but it's very difficult. It requires exquisite sensors and tracking devices.
What the Israelis did with Iron Dome was they used
an explosive warhead. And what that allowed you to do
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was you didn't have to hit it directly. Again, hitting
a bullet with a bullet, which is a physics challenge.
But if you get near it and you explode it,
that's good enough. So it would be good if we
did that. We're also looking at the missile defense. People
are looking at something called Left of Launch. That is
prior to a missile being launched. If you can get
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inside the command and control system and either retarget the
missile on the enemy themselves or frustrated and sabotage it
in such a way that it will blow up on
the launch pad, that would be a very effective missile
defense as well. So they're looking at a number of things,
but on the space based component, it actually goes back
to the Star Wars system under Reagan, as they called it.
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And this was, an idea of something called Brilliant Pebbles,
which is hundreds of small satellites that could fire projectiles
at launched missiles. Wow. They may be doing something like
that now.
S1 (23:53):
Unbelievable. So much to talk about. Bill Gertz is with us.
He's with the Washington Times. Again. Gertz. Philly.com. gertz.com. You
can read his columns on a regular basis. He's just
cutting edge all the time. And so excellent as a
reporter and a columnist. We appreciate him so very, very much. Again,
don't forget you can read all of his books, but
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national security correspondent for The Washington Times, the author of
multiple books, most of them bestsellers, and also hosts a
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You can also go to Gertz. Com. Com. All of
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that's on the information page. I would recommend everyone of
Bill's books. I would start with deceiving the Sky. I've
said it before, a little tongue in cheek, but it's true.
It's not bedtime reading. Okay, these people are serious. And
I'm so grateful for Bill because in such a calm, collected,
fact filled Conversation, he can let us know. Listen, it's
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like it's like Nehemiah in the Old Testament. You're a
watchman on the wall. You're paying. It hasn't a matter
of being fearful. It's a matter of being prepared. And
that takes me back to something you just said that
I want to pick up on the I. I am
fascinated by MPs. I think they are going to be
very much a part of the weaponry of the future.
And I mean the short future ahead. Not a long future,
but right around the corner. So if the former Soviet
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Union is already talking about getting something up in space
where they have the capability to do that, and we're
talking about that over national radio, it begs the question,
and I'm going to ask what seems very sophomoric a question,
but if you and I are talking about it, therefore
this information is now in the mainstream. Does the Pentagon,
our DoD, are we working for a way? We were
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just talking about mental a missile intercept capability. Are we
building a system of defense against an EMP if it
ever were to happen?
S14 (26:33):
That's a good question. You know, there was pressure from
Congress for a number of years, probably about ten years ago,
they had a special EMP commission, and their main motivation
was to spur on the government to do more in
the realm of defense against electronic electromagnetic pulse. And you
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know what? It's not just from a nuclear weapon. It
can actually happen from a massive solar storm. Could have
the same impact. It could. It could devastate all types
of electronics. Um, and I think that they're trying to
develop some electronic hardening of critical infrastructure and things like that.
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But again, the problem is a lot of our critical infrastructure,
especially our electric grid and the things that control all
of our critical infrastructure are in private hands. And for them,
it's a bottom line issue to how much do you
want to invest to protect against a theoretical or real
potential threat of a of an EMP attack? And again,
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it's not just Russia. Russia is actually building something that could, uh,
orbit a nuclear weapon. And again, the weapon, we don't
know exactly what they're doing with it, but it could
have two possible functions. One, it could launch a nuclear
strike from space to the ground, or two, it could
detonate a nuclear device above the atmosphere over cities or
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various areas, and create an electromagnetic pulse, which could knock
out electricity, uh, all electronics over very large distances. Uh,
you know, by the way, North Korea, which again, has
long range missiles and nuclear weapons, could do a similar thing.
But rather than taking the risk of attacking a city
with nuclear weapons, they could do the same. They could
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do very much damage with, uh, an electromagnetic pulse, uh,
just above the atmosphere over various cities or the United States.
S1 (28:32):
Yeah. So in a word, I don't think you have
to be a member of the DoD or serve at
the Pentagon. You cannot afford to live in yesterday's technology.
This is not just this isn't the long range future.
This is the present. And, you know, there's the old
adage here that the best offense is a good defense.
We need to be prepared. It seems to me particularly
because yesterday you wrote a piece where now you've got
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the DEA predicting that China could have 4000 hypersonic missiles
by 2035. Bill, that's just ten years away. Talk to
me about this.
S14 (29:05):
Yeah. I'm like, yikes. Holy smokes. You know, I mean, I,
I had to look again to see, uh, if this
was really their prediction because, uh, they estimate again, this
was a one page, uh, Defense Intelligence Agency report, the top,
the title of which was Golden Dome for America Current
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and Future Missile Threats to the homeland. And they went
through all the various types of missile threats. Intercontinental ballistic missiles.
Submarine launched ballistic missiles. Uh, hypersonic glide vehicles and weapons,
land attack cruise missiles. And of course, that that fractional
orbital bombardment system I mentioned. But, uh, what really jumped
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out at me was the fact that they, they list
by country the number of current hypersonic missiles. Right now,
China has 600, 600 hypersonic missiles. The United States, you know,
basically gave up on this technology. And the Chinese and
Russians stole it from us and put it to use.
And now we're trying to catch up with our own
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hypersonic missiles. And and then it says by 2035 they
could have 4000 of these, these weapons. That's, that's that's
an incredible jump in ten years to go from 600
to 4000. And of course, on the, on the, on
the Russians, they have about 2 to 300 now and
are going to go to about 1000 hypersonic missiles in 2035.
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This according to this Dia report.
S1 (30:34):
And this goes back full circle, does it not to
why the president in February and you write about this
in your piece has ordered the Pentagon that they need
to build a missile defense system, which goes right to
the Golden Dome for America. And again, I understand you
and you and I know Washington inside out. Nothing happens
without funding. Congress is the one that greenlights the money
that's going to fund the Department of Defense. Um, this
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is not a partisan issue. None of these missiles would
stop and say, let's see, where do the Republicans live?
Where do the Democrats live? It's America. That's their enemy.
They don't care what political party you subscribe to. Is
this the sort of thing? And I ask you this
only because I know that, you know, the executive branch
and all its agencies, but I know that you know
how Congress works as well. Is this going to be
one of those things? Well, we hate Trump. Therefore we're
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not going to fund it. In the meantime, how many
American lives are you putting at risk while China stockpiles
its missiles?
S14 (31:23):
Yeah. It's, uh, that's really a challenge. And I think, uh, our,
our political system has kind of degenerated into, uh, what
I call, a hyper reactionary. That is, whoever is in
power has to go strongly against who is ever in
power before them. It's it's kind of a third world mentality.
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But I think clearly that's what we're seeing on the
part of the Democrats. They've they really got what, uh,
people call Trump Derangement Syndrome. Anything that Trump supported or
wanted to do, they will oppose. Uh, and I think
in the case of Golden Dome, I think that they
will also oppose that. We haven't we haven't really heard
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much from the Democrats on this idea of Golden Dome. But, uh,
in the context of the Trump administration, they're they're very
much focused on the Western Hemisphere, uh, securing the Western Hemisphere.
That's why we heard discussions about Greenland, about Canada, about
Panama Canal and Latin America and, uh, and basically securing
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the hemisphere and our borders. Uh, on the other hand, uh,
the Democrats are still stuck in the old Soviet Cold
War era where they think arms control agreements, talks and negotiations,
going to Geneva and having lavish dinners and long term discussions,
and coming up with an agreement that, for the most part,
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the United States will abide by and other nations will
ignore and cheat on, basically. And that's kind of the
culture of national security on a lot of these long
term strategic issues. That's kind of where we are today.
S1 (33:04):
Well, you brought up two excellent points. Number one, let
me go to the second part of what you said. First,
these are not the days of Khrushchev and Brezhnev anymore.
This is the era of Putin. And they're not a friend.
They're not an ally. I mean, I love the approach
that we're trying to do now, which is blessed are
the peacemakers. There was an awful lot of conversation on
this Middle East trip about peace. The idea of lifting
sanctions in Syria so that there might be peace in
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that part of the world. I mean, all of that
is terrific. But it goes back to Reagan again, trust
but verify. I goes a little earlier than that. Even
Teddy Roosevelt walked softly. But carry a big stick. You
have to be its strength, right? But the strength is
gained by knowing that we are prepared to protect ourselves
if absolutely necessary. So that's that's point number one that
I think is important. Point number two is, um, while
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it's sort of narrow and is fiddling while Rome is
burning situation, you can make this a personality fight if
you want to. But in the meantime, when you just
ticked off all those parts of the world, it has
nothing to do with an individual wanting expansionism. Every one
of those areas that you mentioned about has everything under
the sun to do with defense. So you brought up
Greenland for a lot of people who've got nothing more
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than a 32nd soundbite on an alphabet soup network. Why
is there even conversation about Greenland? It isn't expansionism. You know,
my granny came from Iceland. And I have to tell
you a little quick story. They purposely misnamed the islands
because the Icelanders didn't want people to come to Iceland
and Overpopulate, so they called themselves Iceland, thinking that that
would deter people. And then they called the big ice
cap Greenland, thinking people would go there instead, so they
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laugh about it as Icelanders to this day. So why
are we even talking about Greenland at this point? What
value is it to us?
S14 (34:40):
Well, Greenland is strategically located in the Arctic, which is
a new geopolitical battleground. Uh, the Chinese and the Russians
are trying to make their way into that area. China
has called itself a near-arctic power, even though it has
has no connection to the Arctic at all. And, of course,
the Russians have been setting up military bases in the
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the northern Arctic region. Um, so they're looking to gain
the resources from there. There's a lot of oil and
other resources up there. So I think Greenland sits very
close to strategic waterways. Now, we already have Alaska, which serves, uh,
in the western part of our country as, as a, uh,
a place where we have a lot of strategic areas
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and we're just opening up a new radar facility on
the remote Aleutian Island of Adak, which is going to
be part of that. So I think they're looking at
Greenland to be another way to protect the United States, because, again,
this Dia report that I mentioned, it talked about the
Russians having the ability to to to fire long range
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cruise missiles from their aircraft at the approaches to areas
where Greenland would be.
S1 (35:57):
And you make an excellent point, and it's filled with
historic perspective. It looks like Seward's Folly wasn't a folly
at all. If you're a student of history, you know
that it was the U.S. Secretary of State at the time,
William Seward, who signed a treaty with, of all places,
Russia for the purchase of Alaska for $7 million. Now,
just think how strategic that is in terms of national defense.
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Hello to my friends listening in Alaska. We appreciate you
more with Bill Gertz right after this. Bill Gertz is
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with us, national security correspondent for The Washington Times. He
is an award winning journalist. He's a best selling author,
written multiple books, and he hosts his own podcast, which
is fabulous as well. Bill, you just wrote this today,
and I'm bringing it to our attention, even though we've
been talking about this issue. I want to see if
there's anything out of the piece that you wrote about
Senator Deb Fischer, who's chair of the Senate Armed Services
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Subcommittee on Strategic Forces. That should be added into what
we've been talking about, because I was just asking you
about congressional will. Well, it looks like Senator Fischer at
least thinks that the time has come to start doing something.
But she talks specifically about certain electromagnetic bands. How does
this work in the big picture?
S14 (37:20):
Yes. This was again, she was the keynote speaker at
the Washington Times Golden Dome, um, thing. And she spoke
right after me. And you mentioned my website. I've posted
the video of my remarks there, which were are worth
listening to. It's kind of a history of missile defense,
but she's very concerned that the electromagnetic spectrum is being
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given up by the Pentagon for commercial use. This is
a bandwidth, basically for communications. And she's very concerned that
in order to be able to have an effective Golden
Dome nationwide missile defense system, that the Pentagon needs to
protect certain bands within this electromagnetic spectrum. And that was
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one of her key topics there. And she mentioned that
the Northcom commander, General Guillot, is has expressed worries about
this in recent congressional testimony.
S1 (38:15):
Wow. So again, we need to watch. You know, I'm
going to look at the glass half full. The fact
that we're having even conversations about this, there have been
years where there wasn't a sentence spoken on Capitol Hill
about this. So the fact that there is, number one,
the call for the Golden Dome, number two, the fact
that there is an awareness now that there is an
accelerated build up for hypersonic missiles, both by China and
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North Korea. This isn't a situation where we can just
have a philosophical conversation. We've got to put some will
into the desire to get ourselves protected. So I'm going
to walk away from this saying, I'm encouraged that at
least we're starting to have conversations. We went years where
this wasn't discussed at all. But to go back to
the reality of the glass, you wrote a piece not
too long ago that says China at a, quote, rapid
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boil for military action. This is a warning that came
from an admiral. Tell my friends about this.
S14 (39:04):
Yeah, this is a this was a speech by Admiral
Sam Paparo, who, for my money, has been the most
forward leaning military commander that we have. And I've seen
a lot of, uh, a lot of times what happens
to the, uh, senior four star admirals and generals is
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that they tend to, uh, uh, curb their. comments and
statements when they get the fourth star or even the
third star. In the case of Admiral Paparo, he has
been sounding the alarm on the Chinese military buildup in
a very, very effective way. And he gave a speech
by saying that China is putting this full court military
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pressure on Taiwan and the exercises that we've described, and
they described them on almost a daily basis by the Taiwanese.
They talk about scores of aircraft, and dozens of ships
are sailing around there. And Admiral Paparo said that they're
not really exercises. They're rehearsals and the design there, they're
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really getting ready for some type of future attack. And
it could come as early as 2027. According to the
Chinese themselves. They're talking about having the ability to use
military force to conduct a very difficult military operation across
the 100 mile wide Taiwan Strait. That is basically taking
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your forces and trying to take over this island. When
I was, uh, traveling with Defense Secretary Hegseth in March,
we went to Hawaii, and there they gave a briefing.
And the briefing said that China's strategy for taking over
Taiwan is a blitzkrieg, 14 day attack that would seek
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to be in the capital of Taiwan, Taipei, within 14 days.
And so, obviously, with that bit of knowledge, you can
understand that the military is going to follow the model
of Ukraine. Again, the same thing was was Vladimir Putin's
calculus when he invaded Ukraine, that he could quickly take
over the country and get in the capital, Kyiv, in
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a very short period of time. So everything now is
being done to make sure that they can't fulfill that
14 day strategy.
S1 (41:23):
Well, let me quote the admiral from your piece because
I thought it was a chilling comment. He said, You
know the metaphor of the boiling frog? Well, it's a
rapid boil. We notice. Quick change. Now this is our
military observing what a rogue nation is doing. Communist China again,
as you said, they're not just exercises. This is a rehearsal,
which raises an interesting question. And I ask you this
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all the time, Bill, because it seems to fluctuate like
the weather. I'm not sure to this day if China
were to move forward with this blitzkrieg kind of approach
to take over Taiwan. And by the way, that shouldn't
come as a surprise to any person who's awake because
China has said this is their stated goal. And you
talk about by 2027, we're talking 18 months from now.
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So the idea of getting everything in place from the
communist regime's perspective makes perfect sense to me. If I
wanted to be that kind of an aggressor, what I
don't understand well, I see with clarity what China wants
to do. What I don't understand is this little island
nation of Taiwan who comes to their defense.
S14 (42:21):
That's a very good question. Of course, under the Biden administration,
they were pretty blunt about it. President Biden said several
times that the U.S. would protect Taiwan and defend it
militarily if they were attacked by the People's Liberation Army,
the Chinese Communist Party military arm. The Trump administration is
(42:43):
reverting more to the strategic ambiguity, and some of their
officials have also voiced some very concerning neo isolationist things.
But here's the bottom line Taiwan is the leading manufacturer
of advanced microchips, and one of my tech buddies told
me that, uh, microchips are the new oil for the
(43:04):
21st century. And in that sense, Taiwan is the new
Saudi Arabia. They've got really valuable ability to produce advanced microchips,
and they need to be protected for for the entire
free world.
S1 (43:17):
Exactly. But it doesn't it make more sense now. So
it isn't just blind eyed communist expansionism. This would absolutely
enhance their economy if they could get the market on this.
It's just like getting the market on oil. As you
were just talking about before. So, you know, I always
love to tell my friends, look, you walk through life
with the Bible in one hand and the newspaper in
the other. We got all of this fabulous information from you.
(43:39):
And now what we need to do is we need
to pray for those in authority, for real wisdom, for
those who have to make decisions here in the United
States about not if and when China moves aggressively against Taiwan.
Knowing that Taiwan has an asset that is valuable to
the entire world, what role would the United States play?
Those are huge questions. I think it's why Shakespeare said
heavy is the head that wears the crown. This is
(44:00):
tough stuff. And that's why Paul told Timothy, you're supposed
to pray for those people in authority, right? So let's
do that. Bill. Thank you. Your writing is superb. I
just follow you everything that you write. Thank you so
much for consistency, clarity and integrity in all that you do.
In the meantime, friends read every one of Bill's books,
but start with deceiving the sky inside Communist China's drive
(44:21):
for global supremacy. It's a wake up call. Thank you Bill. Thanks, friends.
We'll see you next time.
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