October 10, 2025 • 45 mins
On In The Market with Janet Parshall this week we told you about a powerful new documentary that drives home the brutal reality of the October 7th attacks in Israel and the violent evil perpetrated by Hamas, in all its stark, unflinching truth. Then we turned our attention once again to China as we heard about that nations move to create gestational robots to carry human babies to term. We discussed the deeper issues related to the technology as it serves as another step to acceptance of a transhumanist view of mankind, ignoring the unique God given role we have as a part of His divine plan. Alcoholism and other types of addiction can seem like insurmountable mountains to overcome but our guest opened the door of his personal journey to share how he found true liberty in a deeper dependance on God. He shared a 4-step plan that can lead anyone who struggles with an addiction to true freedom. We stamped your ticked for a radio flight to Australia and another informative visit with our favorite Scottish apologist. He made us aware of some significant changes going on in the U.K. that are opening the door to increased acceptance of Islam and Islamic law and the dangers to religious freedom that acceptance creates for believers. He also uncovered the motivations behind those recent U.K. unity marches. We gave you an update on how Christians in Iran are faring in these challenging times and we helped you extend your prayer list with our favorite missionary to the entertainment industry as she shared more stories of God moving and changing the lives of the biggest influencers in the world. Like never before humans are being bombarded with messages, ideas, viewpoints, and philosophies on a minute-by-minute basis through social media, the internet and podcasts. You can be forgiven for feeling overwhelmed and confused with all that noise for not knowing which way to turn or making a wrong turn as you navigate your way through today’s marketplace of ideas. That is why we end each week on our program by inviting to come away from the cacophony and spend some time with Janet and Craig as they draw us back to the unfiltered, unwavering, unchanging word of God and teach us how to find and follow His clear voice no matter the issue or challenge we that comes our way.
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Doctor Sam Storms. You know, he tells us that so
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loved by God, or that somehow we've done something that
separates us from the love of God. But we fail
to remember the Scripture that reminds us that while we
were yet sinners, not perfect, not all put together, not
everything's all been worked out while we were yet sinners.
That's when Christ died. For us. Love is an action word,
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S2 (02:22):
Welcome to In the Market with Janet Parshall. Today's program
is where Janet and her husband, Craig, take some of
the stories making headlines this week and offer their insight
and analysis. Before they get started, let's take a quick
look back at some of the highlights from the week.
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I reckon in most areas where Islam gets to around 10%
and you've got some cities in the United States where
it's be way beyond that now. Yes, indeed, you see that.
You see examples of that coming across and you will
find that they are fundamentally intolerant. First of all, they
say you've got to tolerate us. And we say, well,
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of course we do, because that's our position as Christians.
Then they get into position of power and they say,
you're not allowed to offend us, which is the stage
we're at just now. And then when they get more power,
they will say that the practice of your religion offends
us and and they will ban it.
S4 (03:18):
If there's a way to have children and divorce that
human reproduction from the human organism, from from the biology
of women, that is considered by many people to be, uh,
a good thing, right? And so this is part of
the feminist agenda. It's part of this whole transhumanism idea
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that we can use technology to modify humans to overcome
limitations and to usher in a new era of humanity
or post humanity. So that's really, I think, fundamentally what's
at play here?
S5 (03:54):
You had Hamas literally within 24 hours of Israel disengaging
in August of 2005, started firing rockets into Israel. Over
the next few months, you had Israeli civilians who were killed, traumatized, terrorized.
In 2006, you had Hamas that was voted into power.
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And then Hamas seized complete control of Gaza from the
other Palestinian party, Fatah, and they turned it for the
next 20 years. They essentially turned Gaza into a military
fortress for just an event like this one. And that's
the history. That's what people need to know, that sadly,
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too many people don't know.
S6 (04:40):
There's a sign that I have of my office. My
wife got it for me for Christmas last year, and
it's a quote from Martin Luther, and it's been just
transformational to me. It says, I have so much to
do today that I must spend the first three hours
in prayer. Oh my goodness. Think about that, right? Like,
how many times do we say, you know, hey, I
don't there's so much I got to get done and okay,
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I'll get I'll get to that when I get to that.
And I think what Martin Luther reminds us is, no,
it's because you have so much to do that you
have to you have to spend time with Jesus. And
what I found over and over and over again is
that when I choose Jesus every day, it gets so
much easier.
S7 (05:19):
Iran is a shame and honor and shame culture. They
would do anything to save face. For example, when Israel
attacked Iran and destroyed all these bases and killed all
the commanders, did you know what Iranian Supreme leader say?
He declared victory over Israel. So this is they want
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to save face toward the world. And but also they
want to save your in power to their own people saying,
we are not weak. We are strong. Just dare to
come on the streets. You will see our strength.
S8 (05:53):
We have people in our industry who don't aren't known.
Everybody looks at all the famous people who go to work.
They care about others. They're sharing their faith. They're bringing
people to, uh, a relationship with Jesus. And they're just
quiet about it, and they're not waiting flags and teaching seminars.
And so my message is always, don't assume there aren't
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Christians in Hollywood. There are people all over this industry
who are actually making a difference. And they want to
share Jesus, and they're touching people's hearts, but they don't
get the celebrity approach. They don't get known. And yet
they're all over the world, including Hollywood.
S2 (06:37):
To hear the full interviews from any of those guests
go to In the Market with Janet Parshall and click
on past programs. Here are some other stories making headlines
this week.
S9 (06:47):
Wall Street finished lower Thursday, with the Dow losing half
of 1%, the S&P 500 dropping about a quarter of 1%
and the Nasdaq falling marginally.
S10 (06:56):
The high speed tongues of salamanders and chameleons could inspire
new technology, using. Postdoctoral researcher at the University of South
Florida said. Both species have a ballistic tongue, which can
reach speeds of up to 16ft per second.
S11 (07:12):
President Donald Trump said on Thursday that Israeli hostages held
in Gaza should be released early next week, in the
first phase of a broader Gaza plan aimed at ending
two years of brutal warfare.
S2 (07:24):
Janet and Craig have lots to share, and they'll put
the first story on the table when we return. To
get more information or to download the podcast of any
of the interviews, go to. In the market with Janet.
S1 (07:50):
Lamentations tells us that the steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases, but sometimes it just doesn't feel like that.
That's why I've chosen the steadfast love of the Lord
as this month's truth tool. Doctor Sam Storms will teach
you that what the Bible says about God's love is true.
As for your copy of The Steadfast Love of the Lord,
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the market with Janet. Partially. By the way, that certainly
is a great book by Doctor Sam Storms. You know him.
You listen to this program regularly. You know, he comes
and joins us once a month and he's so rich.
His theology is so good, so grounded biblically. And he's
such a wonderful teacher. And he wrote this book because
a lot of people struggle with whether or not you
can lose your salvation, or whether or not you think
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that God somehow stops loving you because you don't feel
like it anymore, sometimes it's imperative for us to understand
the character of God, to understand that nothing can separate
us from the love of God. so I really recommend
this book to you. I never pick a book casually.
It impacted me. It was a marvelous conversation when I
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Last hour. We do this two hours every day. Craig
and I did an overview of the Supreme Court. Hugely
important week at the court, if that interest you, and
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I certainly hope that it does. You didn't miss it.
All you have to do is go back to where
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Janet Parshall put in today's date, it was our one.
And then over the weekend, while you're doing some close
up work, as you prepare for the shift in the seasons,
you can listen to it while you're working around the yard.
So check that out. It was all Supreme Court, but
I'm going to change a little bit this hour because
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a couple of weeks ago, Craig and I shared a
lot of audio with you about the idea that it
is imperative that we draw a distinction between those practitioners
of Islam and those who are using it for the
geopolitical tool that it is. And Islam is one of
it's both. It's not an either or. It is a
both end. It is a religion. It is a worldview,
but it is also a governmental system. And if you
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caught my conversation yesterday with Doctor Hamid Shariyyat, you understand
why they are fomenting the use of nuclear capabilities in Iran,
because it has to do with their end times eschatology
and bringing about the Mahdi, who is their version of
the Messiah. So they have everything to gain and nothing
to lose by going to war. And so they want
to islamicize the world because they believe when their Mahdi,
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their Messiah, comes, that's exactly what will happen. We will
all bow at the feet of Islam, and we are
seeing mission creep globally on this particular issue. Now you
and I can chew gum and walk at the same
time as maturing saints. And so again, this is not
going against the individual practitioners of Islam by any stretch
of the imagination and our travels in the Middle East.
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I have to tell you that we met with several Muslims, warm, um, effusive.
Don't look at your watch because time is irrelevant and
you're going to be fed until you can't put another
mouthful in it. It's just absolutely wonderful. But we are
talking about the system of steadfastly saying we are going
to islamicize because as Shariah taught us yesterday, you understand
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that it's a win win proposition. The more people that
you win into Islam, the greater it's going to be
for you in Paradise. So this is again part of
their theological thinking pushed through a governmental system. So I
want you to hear this report from GB news in
the UK about what some school students were forced to do.
Have a listen.
S12 (11:24):
GB news can exclusively reveal that a Welsh primary school
has been slammed after worried parents were branded racist for
raising concerns about an Islam lesson. Let me explain. Seaview
Primary School in Swansea recently brought in a representative from
a local mosque to teach schoolchildren about Islam. But parents
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complained that Christian denominations don't get the same representation in
their religious education lessons. Apparently, parents were not informed about
the visits beforehand, and then, when some objected to the lessons,
they were apparently made to feel as though they were racist,
children were being marked down on things like misspelling mosque
or Koran. But there is a bit more to this.
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There is even the claim that one of the parents, sorry,
one of the children said I'm Christian, I don't pray
to Allah, and that the person who came in to
that school to give that talk and to be with
the children said that by the time you hit year six,
you will all be Muslim. Well, local Reform UK councillor
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Francesca O'Brien organised a public meeting this morning to discuss
the issue. She joins me now live. Francesca, thank you very,
very much. Tremendous to have you on the show. So
what is it that local parents are complaining about be
so worried about?
S13 (12:44):
A couple of things. Thank you. Patrick. Um, actually, this
morning was quite an eye opener. Many of the parents
contacted me at the end of last week, raising concerns
that a representative from one of the local mosques here
in Swansea attended the school without the parents knowledge, and
they were taught how to pray on a mat, how
to fast and, uh, reciting prayers to Allah. Um, I
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took phone calls from parents where they said the children
were reciting the the prayer of off the top of
the head. And these are children as young as five.
So it does raise a number of concerns that I
could feel that there was a lot of tension in
the community. Um, I was asked to attend. I said
I was happy to listen to them. I think they
felt unheard. Um, so today was quite an eye opening.
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And as I said, there was a number of parents there,
some too scared to even come because they felt they
would be branded racist. Um, there have been accusations, uh, that, um,
a pound in particular was called a racist. Uh, and
that is something we're going to be looking into. Uh,
but huge issues there, uh, the imbalance of religious beliefs,
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you know, do children actually know the Lord's Prayer? We're
meant to live in Britain, in a Christian country. So
is there an imbalance in religious studies in our primary
schools here in Wales? And I think maybe we've only
just touched the the tip of the iceberg here, Patrick.
S1 (14:07):
Now, she went on another program in the UK. It
was called talk TV and she had this to say.
S14 (14:13):
Are you happy with the veracity of that kid's story? Yeah.
The visiting Muslim lady said you'll all be Muslims by
year six.
S13 (14:23):
Well, like I say, I can't say exactly what what
was said, but I, I believe that there was one
comment that by when they were, they were taught how
to fast the prey. And what was the third thing?
That by the time you're in year six, you'll all
be praying on mats. Um, and I just thought, you know,
I've got a four year old son myself. So some
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of these children are just a year older, and I
just think how much my son absorbs stuff. You know,
even when I'm talking to other parents, they're absorbing all
of this. And I'm just wondering what sort of impact
this is having on our younger generation. And like I say,
it goes back to the fact of we should be
upholding British values as well. You know, that should be
core value, if anything. Um, and it just it just
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seems to be the other way around.
S14 (15:09):
Uh, it seems to me that parents, if there's somebody
visiting from a mosque who's going to tell the kids,
I don't think inherently anything wrong with an Islamic lady
coming to the school and saying, this is all about
our this is what we do and all that. I
don't think it's necessarily anything wrong with that unless it
gets a bit sort of, uh, brainwashing, you know? Oh,
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you'll all be Muslims by the year six. That that,
I think, is of concern. But I think that that
kind of visit is something that parents should be told about, right?
S13 (15:42):
Yeah, absolutely. And I've been informed. I've been speaking to
parents since the meet and obviously it's been, um, uh,
sort of a moving, uh, situation, if you want to
call it that, since the meeting yesterday.
S1 (15:54):
So it raises a series of questions. And again, remember,
the whole idea of religious liberty is different in some
respects in the UK than it is here. But let
me just take a look at the situation there and
we'll contextualize it here in the US. First of all,
the first thing I find most troubling is that no
parent notification. So you're not doing a comparative theology class,
you're not doing a world religion class. And by the way,
these are young kids. Probably wouldn't be in the world
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of comparative theology anyway. But even if you could academically
justify this malfeasance, uh, you would have to say we
did it under the guise of academic exploration, and we're
going to bring in a Buddhist next week. We're going
to bring in a Jewish rabbi. Then we're going to
bring a Christian, and then you've got comparative theology. You
can't pack them up and you take them to a mosque.
You teach them how to fast. You teach them how
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to pray in a mat. And then you make the
declaration that by the time you're in year six, that's
the sixth year of education in England, you will all
be Muslims. Now that's proselytizing. And the fact that they
didn't in Swansea in Wales did not want to tell
the parents. That's my very first red flag. If you
felt what you were doing was right. Mom and dad
would have been told right out of the gate. Your thoughts?
S15 (16:57):
Um, that's the UK. They have a different legal system
than we do. They don't have a written constitution. Um,
and I'm sorry for them for that fact. Uh, because
we do, and it is a bulwark against, uh, insidious
use of public education to indoctrinate children in one particular
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viewpoint or another. I'll give you one example. Uh, this
was decades ago. I was practicing law, because I do
a lot of religious liberty and free speech and First
Amendment cases. I was reading all the case law, and
suddenly this case in Massachusetts pops up, where a teacher
in the public schools had used the teachings of Maharishi Yogi. Yeah,
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to teach meditation techniques for the children and have them
participate in meditation, uh, eastern, uh, religion style. Uh. The
federal judge said that's a violation of separation of church
and state. That's one of the few times that separation
of church and state actually ended up on the right side,
rather than the wrong side of a federal court decision.
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But that's why we have a Constitution. They don't. And
it's to their poverty, I think, in terms of their civic, uh,
situation over there. Uh, this is this is indoctrination. It
wouldn't happen here without a lawsuit that would be successful.
S1 (18:21):
Let me take a break and come right back. This
is in the market with Janet Parshall. That's Craig partial
Fridays we just act and we will run through so
many of these stories more after this. So you just
heard this untenable action that took place in Swansea in Wales,
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where the kids without parental notification were taken to a mosque.
And we talked about the fact that the only way
something like this would be justified would be, first of all,
a the parents have to be notified first, last, always inarguable. Second,
the field trip is questionable if they brought someone in
who is a practitioner of a particular faith and did
so under the guise that you're going to have all
kinds of people represented from various faiths, then you've got
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a world religion class, and I understand how that could
be academically justifiable. But there is an inequality here. And
Francesco O'Brien referenced that in the two interview clips that
I played for you. Here's another thing that's happening right now.
What if there's inequality? Then why are Christians being arrested
in the UK. Listen to this.
S16 (19:25):
CBN tonight with me Martin Daubney. Now the Labour ran
Rushmoor Borough Council has sparked outrage by proposing a sweeping
injunction that could see Christian street preachers imprisoned for up
to two years. And if the injunction is breached now
over claims of causing offence or distress. Now, under the
proposed terms, Christians will be banned from praying for individuals,
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handing out religious leaflets or Bibles by hand and laying
hands on people in prayer, even with their permission.
S1 (19:56):
Okay, so something's wrong right out of the gate. So
you have the kids being taken to a mosque in Wales.
By the way, I have another story out of Australia.
Same things happening there. So this isn't just a one
off in Wales. And now you've got a proposal saying
that UK pastors were preaching on the street, could end
up in jail for two years. Now. Add to this
something called Ofcom. That's the UK's communications regulator. They've launched
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a new consultation that could have real implications for how
churches share the gospel online. The consultation is called Online Safety.
Additional safety measures. It was published in July of this year,
and it's running until October 20th, and is part of
Ofcom's continuing work to implement the government's Online Safety Act.
By the way, if you go to the Ofcom website,
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there are 300 pages of regulations. So what is Ofcom proposing?
In their latest document? They're proposing that major live streaming
platforms YouTube, Facebook, TikTok and others should be required to
monitor live streams in real time and take immediate action
if they detect what is considered, quote, hateful or otherwise
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harmful content. Now pause. You just heard a story saying
that there's a proposal in the UK to now arrest
pastors if they're preaching on the street. Why? Well, because
if you take a look, contextualize this from all of
the UK. You put something on Facebook where you say that.
la la is a false prophet? Jesus is the only way.
And the next thing you know 2:00 in the morning.
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I've watched video to this end. This is not a
story I'm making up. Man gets arrested because he's caused
hurtful comments to a neighbor who quietly and anonymously. Big brother.
Thank you. Orwell calls the police. They show up, the
man goes off to jail. So who do you think
is going to be deemed to be hateful online? So
on the face of it, you think, well, maybe this
sounds somewhat reasonable. No one wants violence and genuine hate
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speech being spread online. But as many will appreciate, the
definition of hate is not always straightforward, particularly when it
comes to discussions about moral and religious beliefs. So the consultation,
in other words, this is we've talked about this. The
FCC will have what they call public comment periods of time.
Or sometimes you can publicly comment on an executive order.
The president hands down. So it's when the public can
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speak to the government in a window of time. That
window shuts in ten days in the UK, and individuals
or church groups are free to submit responses. And so
evangelical Christians in the UK are saying, let your voice
be heard, because if a pastor is live streaming from
his church and he's talking about the exclusivity of the gospel,
that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life,
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and no man comes to the father but by him,
and there's only one name under heaven whereby we will
be saved. That could be just like that in these very,
very strange days in the UK, deemed to be hateful
and in the middle of a sermon, their live feed
gets cut. Craig, your thoughts literally.
S15 (22:43):
The devil is in the details in this law. Um,
I've taken a look at it and here's how they
rate it. Uh, in terms of risk, uh, if this passes, um,
then Facebook, Google, um, Microsoft platforms, uh, any tech, uh,
online platform that's available to members of the UK, people
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who live there will be required to put under surveillance,
for instance, a live church service that's live streamed. Okay.
And they will surveil that. And then and there's three
levels of risk. One is low risk of hate, one
is medium risk of hate and the other is a
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high risk of hate. Here's the threshold for action against
the church. Only if there's just a medium risk that
it's a hateful statement. Can they be shut down and investigated.
S1 (23:44):
It's like Goldilocks.
S15 (23:45):
Porridge. It isn't even. It's like, okay, well, at least
maybe you could say if there's a, you know, extreme.
But first of all, hate speech has been rejected by
the US Supreme Court more than once. Wisely so. Number one,
it's not legitimate. Number two, it's never been accurately defined.
I've always defined it as someone hates what you believe
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and therefore they treat you like hate speech. But the
problem is, is never defined. It never will be adequately
defined from a legal or moral standpoint. And so religious
liberties will be. Um, you know, on the, on the
altar of sacrifice over there in terms of personal liberties,
because the Bible has some very strong things to say about, uh,
false teachers. As an example, you and I have often
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quoted those verses. And, um, if Jesus is the only way,
that's very exclusionary. And so some people could feel, oh,
I feel that's hurtful. And they call up the, uh,
you know, the communications folks. And suddenly that church is
shut down. So this is a very troubling, troubling trend.
S8 (24:46):
Wow.
S1 (24:47):
And it seems to be getting worse in the UK
with a pinpoint specificity toward Christians. This, um, unequal measure,
as Francesca O'Brien was alluding to earlier, that is something
that we are seeing with just, uh, it's almost like
the UK is allowing the Islamization of the UK, and
they're purposely silencing Christians. Now, how do you defeat an
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idea you disagree with? You don't Prime Minister Parliament, you
don't do it by censoring someone, you defeat it with
a better idea. We'll give you a chance to do
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go online to in the market with Janet Parshall. So
one of the things we like to do here on
in the market, particularly on Fridays, is to recognize how
imperative it is for us to be good Bereans. Now,
the Bereans were the special group of people who were
testing the writings of Paul. We read about them in
the book of acts. And as you and I mature
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in the faith, we need to be good brands. We
need to test all things. Can you tell when someone's
preaching a gospel of name it, claim it when someone
is preaching a prosperity gospel, when someone is preaching a self-exalting,
you're the center of everything kind of gospel. Can you
tell when someone takes the Word of God and twists
them for a political outcome rather than good exegesis, which
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is a great word that means taking out of the
verse that which is there, rather than eisegesis, which is
superimposing on the verse things that aren't there but are
more in line with the speaker's particular inclinations, theologically or
even politically sometimes. So we need to test all things.
That is part of how we grow up in him,
and that is something we're told to do over and
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over again in Scripture. It's great that we come to
the Lord as babes, and we're on that milk of
the word. But the goal here is to move us
off a diet of milk and move us to a
diet of meat, so we get some spiritual heft on
our bones, and we become people who are found faithful
and can contend for the faith, knowing what we believe
and why we believe it. The other reason we do
it is because we have to watch out. There's some
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dangerous wildlife out there. In the Bible, Jesus says, beware
of false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing,
but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. And you and I
need to recognize that sound when the wolves are howling.
Because what Satan does so often is takes a little
bit of truth and mixes it with a hefty dose
of a lie. And then you think to yourself, well,
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I heard something in there that sounds right. So therefore
it must be right. And that is deception. That is
how the father of lies work. So the best way
to do this is to constantly be exposed to the wolves.
Howlings so you begin to recognize it when you're sitting
in a pew or listening to a podcast or watching
somebody on TV and you can say, uh, uh uh,
that just doesn't sound right. You're in the word. You
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get what I call a spiritual Geiger counter. It's really
the quickening of the Holy Spirit. And you hear something
and all of a sudden you go, oh, that doesn't
seem right. And then you go to the word and
you check it, and all of a sudden you discover
what you just got was a crooked idea rather than
the straight stick of truth. So I'm going to have
you listen to this person. I never say the name.
I never say the denomination. I'm not giving the person
free publicity. And I'm certainly not going to talk about
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denominations because we get real tribal in this area. And
then you're thinking, well, you know, I got to defend
my denomination. No, no, you want to know Christ and
make him known. And the denominations are just an after
the fact. Okay. When we get to heaven, I guarantee
you there's no seating structure for the Presbyterians over here
in the Baptists over there. So we want to know
Jesus and to make him known. So put on your
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thinking caps and listen to this ravenous wolf. Have a listen.
S17 (28:49):
Called out Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send
Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water
and cool my tongue. But the first thing I have
to say is to repeat to reiterate what I said
in my e-news. This is a parable. This is in
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no way the description of some kind of idea of
hell or heaven, of being punished in fires of hell,
or of being refreshed at the gates of heaven. Jesus
is simply telling a story. He would have had none
of those ideas in his head. Hades was simply known
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as the place of the dead where everybody would hang out, right?
So put away all that heaven and hell stuff and
put away, uh, any idea, um, that what we do
in this life will determine what happens to us after
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we die. There's something much more challenging that is going
on here. Also, talking about eternal time, we hear that
when he talks, when he says in God's eternal time.
So I want to refresh for you. You've heard me
say this before anytime in Scripture or in our liturgy, uh,
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anytime you hear the phrase eternal life that is not
referring to any future time after we die in the
sense of an everlasting soul. Uh, there may be those
lines in there, but certainly when they're when eternal life
is used either in Scripture or in the liturgy, eternal
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life means, uh, being constantly in the presence of God.
That's why. And you've heard me say this before in
the absolution from sin at the end, and I say,
by the power of the Holy Spirit keep you in
eternal life, not save you for eternal life. Prepare you
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for eternal life. Keep you in eternal life. Eternal time
is a state of being where you are living out
of the heart of the compassion and the justice and
the mercy and the hope of God every day.
S1 (31:28):
Wow. Wow. Okay, so she stands up there. And by
the way, is it just me? Why are so many
of these wolves female wolves? It really bothers me, I digress.
She's standing up with the garbs of religiosity, and she's
telling people that there's nothing really about eternal life. It's
all about the here and now. Keep you eternally now.
And it raises a very common question. I'd like to
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say to this woman over a cup of coffee, why
do you go to church? Why do you go and
put the robes of religiosity on? in. You could be
just kind of a life coach instead, because if you're
not teaching people that they're sinners in desperate need of
a savior, and that in the end, the world is
divided into two camps those who said yes and those
who said no and heaven and hell are absolutely real.
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Why are you in this business? Just be a life coach. Have,
you know, some gatherings of women and do a book
club and then give them some life skills about being
happy now, because you're certainly misrepresenting Scripture and you're leading
them down a path that leads directly to hell. Of course,
what she was quoting from cryptically was Luke 1619 through
23 about the rich man clothed in purple and fine linen,
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who feasted sumptuously every day. And at his gate was
laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, who
desired to be fed with what fell from the rich
man's table. Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores.
The poor man died and was carried by the angels
to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried.
And in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his
eyes and saw Abraham afar off and Lazarus at his side.
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So again, it's one parable, and you can't speak too
much more into it than that. But Jesus knows who
he's talking about. By the way, this was from rabbinical writings,
so Jesus knew exactly who the crowd was. He always
did that he was talking to. And what we can
understand also is that categorically, heaven and hell exists. Jesus
is in no doubt whatsoever about that. And he talks
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about hell when he's talking about this. And obviously what
we learn, too, is that Jesus is trying to tell
us that when you're in eternity, you are in a
conscious state, uh, that people don't go into oblivion. And
those people who subscribe to, uh, annihilationism. So that when
you die, you're annihilated and you don't eternally suffer. That's
not what Scripture teaches, by the way. And you can't
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subscribe either to the antithesis, which is universalism, which is, hey,
God's a good God. Everybody's going to end up in heaven.
Then why did Jesus have to go to the cross?
So all of these bizarre ideas, but then you can
pick it up and you can go to John 525
through 29. Truly, truly, I say to you, the hour
is coming and is now here, when the dead will
hear the voice of the Son of God. And those
who hear will live. For as the father has life
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in himself, so has he granted the son also to
have life in himself, and he has given him authority
to execute judgment. You know tomorrow, madam, with the robes
on tomorrow judgment, because he is the Son of Man.
Do not marvel at this. For an hour is coming,
when all who are in tombs will hear his voice
and come out. And those who have done good to
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the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil
to the resurrection of judgment. There are a myriad of
other verses, madam. He's not talking about eternally in the now.
It's talking about Judgment Day. Your thoughts?
S15 (34:34):
Uh, when Jesus was preaching and teaching, uh, Sheol or
Hades was well known. And this is what was believed
and preached at the time that Hades, uh, was divided
into two different places. Hades was the place where the
dead go in some form of conscious awareness. They'd either
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go to Gehenna or they'd go to Paradise. Now Gehenna
was the name that was used just to give you
a glimpse of the reality of hell outside the Jerusalem
gates and walls. There was a huge garbage dump where
everybody put their refuse and human waste, and it was
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constantly on fire. That's what they called Gehenna. That was
their picture of hell. Jesus mentions heaven and hell, um,
in Matthew 25, in Matthew, chapter ten, in Matthew, chapter 13,
in Matthew 21, in Luke chapter 30, uh 13, uh,
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there is um, there is no question. And he treated
it as a reality, not as a hypothetical. There is
no question that the kingdom of God and by the way,
in Luke, Jesus specifically preaches about those who say, hey,
we knew you. In fact, he says, many will come
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to me and say, when the kingdom comes. Hey, uh,
you preached in our streets. Yeah, okay. But you didn't
know me. So you'll be cast out into the other
outer darkness. So the understanding of the kingdom life will
be separated from the idea of a real hell is
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all throughout Jesus's preaching and teaching.
S1 (36:30):
Well, again. And this is why you recognize the wolves. So,
you know, don't let the costumes betray the content of
the heart. So she talks about there's no heaven and hell.
Don't don't think about eternal life. Really? Well, Matthew a
Hebrews rather tells us it's appointed unto man once to die.
And after that the judgment going back again to Matthew,
Jesus says, unless you change, you become like little children.
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You'll never enter the kingdom of heaven. He keeps talking.
Future tense, future tense, future tense. The onus doesn't fall
on us to prove that there is the reality of
heaven and hell. It falls on the wolf to be
able to say that she can justify scripturally that there
is no heaven or hell, and there certainly is no
eternal life. She not only doesn't do that, one wonders
whether or not she even spends time in the word.
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I heard a lot of feel good Johnny stuff there,
but I certainly didn't hear any biblical truth. We'll take
a break and be right back.
S18 (37:37):
Is there a heaven to cut to the chase? I
don't know. This is not a phrase commonly associated with preachers.
People think we are supposed to know that we live
in certainty, that we have everything figured out. I even
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have a few colleagues who think that. But I do
not know. I am, as Marcus Borg more eloquently said,
in the precise sense of the word. I am an
agnostic about what happens after death. An agnostic is one
who doesn't know. Agnosticism is not a halfway house between
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believing and atheism. It is a state of not knowing.
S1 (38:31):
Again, a female wolf. I'm just saying that as part
of the female species, this really bothers me. Dressed in religiosity.
Different wolf than you heard before. She just doesn't know
you're wearing the robe. The robes of religion. One presumes
that your primary text is the Word of God. Matthew
1347 through 50. Again, the kingdom of heaven is like
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a net that was thrown into the sea and gathered
fish of every kind. When it was full, men drew
it ashore and sat down and sorted the good into containers,
but threw away the bad. So it will be at
the end of the age. The angels. The angels will
come out and separate the evil from the righteous, and
throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there
will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. I don't know, Craig.
When all else fails, read the instructions.
S15 (39:15):
Um. It starts with the Word of God. It starts
with the Bible. There are only two ways of understanding
the bigger issues and the bigger questions of life. By
the way, as you well know, uh, one of the
big questions I was dealing with, uh, when I came
to Christ was, what's after death? What's out there? Um,
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and that was the question I couldn't answer. Had studied
it for a while And read some smart people who
I thought were smart. They didn't know either or their
ideas didn't make sense under scrutiny. So, uh, the big
questions are either answered by speculation. Human speculation. Now, if
we're flawed and if we're also subject to inherent sin,
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then we're going to try to think up speculative ideas
that make us comfortable, that keep us from being accountable
and keep us from being responsible, particularly to a God
who might hold us accountable. So we'll spin all kinds
of what Peter said, by the way, in, uh, second
Peter cleverly devised myths.
S1 (40:23):
Yes, exactly.
S15 (40:24):
That's what you just heard, the agnostics, uh, philosophy of,
you know, if you're reasonable and rational, you really don't know. Well,
then go to the other side, which is revelation. It's
either speculation by humans and it's always wrong, or it's
revelation from God to let you know what the truth is.
S1 (40:42):
Yeah. And again, over and over and over again. Remember
the prior Wolf talked about the fact that don't believe
in this eternal life stuff, first Timothy one five or
15 to 16. The saying is trustworthy, trustworthy, and deserving
of full acceptance that Christ came into the world to
save sinners, of whom I am the foremost. This is
Paul writing to his young student Timothy. But I received
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mercy for this reason, that in me, as the foremost
Jesus Christ might display his perfect patience as an example
to those who were to believe in him for eternal life.
How can you say when you read that it means
it's future tense? It's where we're going to go. It's
the it's it's why I'm so glad I talked to
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Ray comfort earlier this week. Why this bold preaching of
the gospel says, don't appeal to the intellect because therein
lies conflict. Appeal to the conscience. All of us have
sinned and fallen short. There's not one righteous. No, not one.
That first Wolf was basically giving you a feel good story.
Just live in the now, you know, and we'll just
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let's just be in the now and be, you know,
that whole idea of, um, how we behave toward one another.
That's nice. That should be the fruit of a life
that's been transformed through the indwelling power of the Holy Spirit.
But it doesn't get you into heaven. You can be
as nice as you want. You can serve in the
Esher committee. You can make sure you teach Sunday school.
You can make sure you have a perfect attendance of church.
None of that has the doors of heaven open and
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allows us to walk in. It's the recognition of the
fact that all have sinned. It's why Ray is so
right in pointing out the Ten Commandments. Every single one
of us. That's a giant mirror. We stand in front
of it. None of us can keep the law. And
when we break one part of the law, we have,
in essence, broken every part of the law. And as
a result, we realize that we have missed the standard.
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We cannot rise to the standard of righteousness. And so
what happens is you start by recognizing your sinful state.
The problem with the two things that you just heard
from those two wolves is it fails to recognize that
we are sinners. And as Newton said of old, the
man behind amazing Grace. Two things I know. He said
this toward the end of his life, that I am
a great sinner and he is a great Savior. Those
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two points are the northern star in this entire conversation,
recognizing our fallen state every day and every way. We
just want to have our best life ever. You know?
And we just want to make sure that we are
the center of everything. We have nothing to do with
it other than the recognition that we are sinners and
we are flawed, fractured, fallen, broken. We start with that recognition.
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Then we recognize who Christ was, the antithesis of all
of that. The unblemished Lamb of God who takes away
the sins of the world, perfect God, perfect man, pays
the price. When you and I should have gone to
the cross. Instead, Jesus steps in and he says, I'll
pay the penalty.
S15 (43:24):
You know, we used to see John 316 draped in, uh,
NFL stadiums during football games, and a lot of people
mocked it and a lot of people cheered it. But
John 316 Jesus is talking to one of the great
wise men of the religious elite of his day, and
he said, you have to be born again. And it
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didn't register. And he said, look, God so loved the
world that he gave his only begotten son. And then
he talks about eternal life. You will not perish. He said,
if you are born again in his son, but you
will have eternal life. Those are realities from the mouth
of Jesus, from Scripture.
S1 (44:04):
How about the words from Calvary that when the the
thief on the cross turns and looks at Jesus, he said,
you are the Son of God. And he recognizes it.
So he acknowledged, even though he's paying the sins, the
penalty for earthly sins, that thief on the cross was
losing his life moment by moment. On the cross he
turned and he recognized that Jesus was the Savior of
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the world. And what does Jesus say to him this
very day? You will be with me not in the
here and now, but in Paradise. So again, I love
these kinds of conversations because it's either completely true or
it's completely false. There is no neutrality in this position either.
Jesus is exactly who he said he was or we
are great fools.
S15 (44:45):
You know, Jenna, I have a theory. I have a
theory that the that the skeptics who have tried to
attack the Bible for hundreds of years have gotten so
frustrated because they couldn't disprove it that they now are saying,
don't read it, just believe the myth. I'll spill spin
for you with my robes to make you feel comfortable.
S1 (45:03):
Or marginalize the people who do read it and do
believe it right? And you can pick up whatever pejorative
you want to talk about. Look, I'm going to say
it again. I cannot think of a more exciting time
to be a follower of Christ. Good is called evil.
Evil is called good. People are doing what's right in
their own eyes. Wolves are running all over the cultural
horizon speaking heresy. And yet you and I have an
opportunity to proclaim the imperishable message of the cross. Find
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some time to do that soon. We'll see you next time, friends.
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S2 (02:22):
Welcome to In the Market with Janet Parshall. Today's program
is where Janet and her husband, Craig, take some of
the stories making headlines this week and offer their insight
and analysis. Before they get started, let's take a quick
look back at some of the highlights from the week.
S3 (02:41):
I reckon in most areas where Islam gets to around 10%
and you've got some cities in the United States where
it's be way beyond that now. Yes, indeed, you see that.
You see examples of that coming across and you will
find that they are fundamentally intolerant. First of all, they
say you've got to tolerate us. And we say, well,
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of course we do, because that's our position as Christians.
Then they get into position of power and they say,
you're not allowed to offend us, which is the stage
we're at just now. And then when they get more power,
they will say that the practice of your religion offends
us and and they will ban it.
S4 (03:18):
If there's a way to have children and divorce that
human reproduction from the human organism, from from the biology
of women, that is considered by many people to be, uh,
a good thing, right? And so this is part of
the feminist agenda. It's part of this whole transhumanism idea
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that we can use technology to modify humans to overcome
limitations and to usher in a new era of humanity
or post humanity. So that's really, I think, fundamentally what's
at play here?
S5 (03:54):
You had Hamas literally within 24 hours of Israel disengaging
in August of 2005, started firing rockets into Israel. Over
the next few months, you had Israeli civilians who were killed, traumatized, terrorized.
In 2006, you had Hamas that was voted into power.
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And then Hamas seized complete control of Gaza from the
other Palestinian party, Fatah, and they turned it for the
next 20 years. They essentially turned Gaza into a military
fortress for just an event like this one. And that's
the history. That's what people need to know, that sadly,
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too many people don't know.
S6 (04:40):
There's a sign that I have of my office. My
wife got it for me for Christmas last year, and
it's a quote from Martin Luther, and it's been just
transformational to me. It says, I have so much to
do today that I must spend the first three hours
in prayer. Oh my goodness. Think about that, right? Like,
how many times do we say, you know, hey, I
don't there's so much I got to get done and okay,
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I'll get I'll get to that when I get to that.
And I think what Martin Luther reminds us is, no,
it's because you have so much to do that you
have to you have to spend time with Jesus. And
what I found over and over and over again is
that when I choose Jesus every day, it gets so
much easier.
S7 (05:19):
Iran is a shame and honor and shame culture. They
would do anything to save face. For example, when Israel
attacked Iran and destroyed all these bases and killed all
the commanders, did you know what Iranian Supreme leader say?
He declared victory over Israel. So this is they want
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to save face toward the world. And but also they
want to save your in power to their own people saying,
we are not weak. We are strong. Just dare to
come on the streets. You will see our strength.
S8 (05:53):
We have people in our industry who don't aren't known.
Everybody looks at all the famous people who go to work.
They care about others. They're sharing their faith. They're bringing
people to, uh, a relationship with Jesus. And they're just
quiet about it, and they're not waiting flags and teaching seminars.
And so my message is always, don't assume there aren't
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Christians in Hollywood. There are people all over this industry
who are actually making a difference. And they want to
share Jesus, and they're touching people's hearts, but they don't
get the celebrity approach. They don't get known. And yet
they're all over the world, including Hollywood.
S2 (06:37):
To hear the full interviews from any of those guests
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on past programs. Here are some other stories making headlines
this week.
S9 (06:47):
Wall Street finished lower Thursday, with the Dow losing half
of 1%, the S&P 500 dropping about a quarter of 1%
and the Nasdaq falling marginally.
S10 (06:56):
The high speed tongues of salamanders and chameleons could inspire
new technology, using. Postdoctoral researcher at the University of South
Florida said. Both species have a ballistic tongue, which can
reach speeds of up to 16ft per second.
S11 (07:12):
President Donald Trump said on Thursday that Israeli hostages held
in Gaza should be released early next week, in the
first phase of a broader Gaza plan aimed at ending
two years of brutal warfare.
S2 (07:24):
Janet and Craig have lots to share, and they'll put
the first story on the table when we return. To
get more information or to download the podcast of any
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S1 (07:50):
Lamentations tells us that the steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases, but sometimes it just doesn't feel like that.
That's why I've chosen the steadfast love of the Lord
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Last hour. We do this two hours every day. Craig
and I did an overview of the Supreme Court. Hugely
important week at the court, if that interest you, and
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I certainly hope that it does. You didn't miss it.
All you have to do is go back to where
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And then over the weekend, while you're doing some close
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you can listen to it while you're working around the yard.
So check that out. It was all Supreme Court, but
I'm going to change a little bit this hour because
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a couple of weeks ago, Craig and I shared a
lot of audio with you about the idea that it
is imperative that we draw a distinction between those practitioners
of Islam and those who are using it for the
geopolitical tool that it is. And Islam is one of
it's both. It's not an either or. It is a
both end. It is a religion. It is a worldview,
but it is also a governmental system. And if you
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caught my conversation yesterday with Doctor Hamid Shariyyat, you understand
why they are fomenting the use of nuclear capabilities in Iran,
because it has to do with their end times eschatology
and bringing about the Mahdi, who is their version of
the Messiah. So they have everything to gain and nothing
to lose by going to war. And so they want
to islamicize the world because they believe when their Mahdi,
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their Messiah, comes, that's exactly what will happen. We will
all bow at the feet of Islam, and we are
seeing mission creep globally on this particular issue. Now you
and I can chew gum and walk at the same
time as maturing saints. And so again, this is not
going against the individual practitioners of Islam by any stretch
of the imagination and our travels in the Middle East.
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I have to tell you that we met with several Muslims, warm, um, effusive.
Don't look at your watch because time is irrelevant and
you're going to be fed until you can't put another
mouthful in it. It's just absolutely wonderful. But we are
talking about the system of steadfastly saying we are going
to islamicize because as Shariah taught us yesterday, you understand
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that it's a win win proposition. The more people that
you win into Islam, the greater it's going to be
for you in Paradise. So this is again part of
their theological thinking pushed through a governmental system. So I
want you to hear this report from GB news in
the UK about what some school students were forced to do.
Have a listen.
S12 (11:24):
GB news can exclusively reveal that a Welsh primary school
has been slammed after worried parents were branded racist for
raising concerns about an Islam lesson. Let me explain. Seaview
Primary School in Swansea recently brought in a representative from
a local mosque to teach schoolchildren about Islam. But parents
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complained that Christian denominations don't get the same representation in
their religious education lessons. Apparently, parents were not informed about
the visits beforehand, and then, when some objected to the lessons,
they were apparently made to feel as though they were racist,
children were being marked down on things like misspelling mosque
or Koran. But there is a bit more to this.
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There is even the claim that one of the parents, sorry,
one of the children said I'm Christian, I don't pray
to Allah, and that the person who came in to
that school to give that talk and to be with
the children said that by the time you hit year six,
you will all be Muslim. Well, local Reform UK councillor
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Francesca O'Brien organised a public meeting this morning to discuss
the issue. She joins me now live. Francesca, thank you very,
very much. Tremendous to have you on the show. So
what is it that local parents are complaining about be
so worried about?
S13 (12:44):
A couple of things. Thank you. Patrick. Um, actually, this
morning was quite an eye opener. Many of the parents
contacted me at the end of last week, raising concerns
that a representative from one of the local mosques here
in Swansea attended the school without the parents knowledge, and
they were taught how to pray on a mat, how
to fast and, uh, reciting prayers to Allah. Um, I
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took phone calls from parents where they said the children
were reciting the the prayer of off the top of
the head. And these are children as young as five.
So it does raise a number of concerns that I
could feel that there was a lot of tension in
the community. Um, I was asked to attend. I said
I was happy to listen to them. I think they
felt unheard. Um, so today was quite an eye opening.
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And as I said, there was a number of parents there,
some too scared to even come because they felt they
would be branded racist. Um, there have been accusations, uh, that, um,
a pound in particular was called a racist. Uh, and
that is something we're going to be looking into. Uh,
but huge issues there, uh, the imbalance of religious beliefs,
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you know, do children actually know the Lord's Prayer? We're
meant to live in Britain, in a Christian country. So
is there an imbalance in religious studies in our primary
schools here in Wales? And I think maybe we've only
just touched the the tip of the iceberg here, Patrick.
S1 (14:07):
Now, she went on another program in the UK. It
was called talk TV and she had this to say.
S14 (14:13):
Are you happy with the veracity of that kid's story? Yeah.
The visiting Muslim lady said you'll all be Muslims by
year six.
S13 (14:23):
Well, like I say, I can't say exactly what what
was said, but I, I believe that there was one
comment that by when they were, they were taught how
to fast the prey. And what was the third thing?
That by the time you're in year six, you'll all
be praying on mats. Um, and I just thought, you know,
I've got a four year old son myself. So some
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of these children are just a year older, and I
just think how much my son absorbs stuff. You know,
even when I'm talking to other parents, they're absorbing all
of this. And I'm just wondering what sort of impact
this is having on our younger generation. And like I say,
it goes back to the fact of we should be
upholding British values as well. You know, that should be
core value, if anything. Um, and it just it just
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seems to be the other way around.
S14 (15:09):
Uh, it seems to me that parents, if there's somebody
visiting from a mosque who's going to tell the kids,
I don't think inherently anything wrong with an Islamic lady
coming to the school and saying, this is all about
our this is what we do and all that. I
don't think it's necessarily anything wrong with that unless it
gets a bit sort of, uh, brainwashing, you know? Oh,
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you'll all be Muslims by the year six. That that,
I think, is of concern. But I think that that
kind of visit is something that parents should be told about, right?
S13 (15:42):
Yeah, absolutely. And I've been informed. I've been speaking to
parents since the meet and obviously it's been, um, uh,
sort of a moving, uh, situation, if you want to
call it that, since the meeting yesterday.
S1 (15:54):
So it raises a series of questions. And again, remember,
the whole idea of religious liberty is different in some
respects in the UK than it is here. But let
me just take a look at the situation there and
we'll contextualize it here in the US. First of all,
the first thing I find most troubling is that no
parent notification. So you're not doing a comparative theology class,
you're not doing a world religion class. And by the way,
these are young kids. Probably wouldn't be in the world
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of comparative theology anyway. But even if you could academically
justify this malfeasance, uh, you would have to say we
did it under the guise of academic exploration, and we're
going to bring in a Buddhist next week. We're going
to bring in a Jewish rabbi. Then we're going to
bring a Christian, and then you've got comparative theology. You
can't pack them up and you take them to a mosque.
You teach them how to fast. You teach them how
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to pray in a mat. And then you make the
declaration that by the time you're in year six, that's
the sixth year of education in England, you will all
be Muslims. Now that's proselytizing. And the fact that they
didn't in Swansea in Wales did not want to tell
the parents. That's my very first red flag. If you
felt what you were doing was right. Mom and dad
would have been told right out of the gate. Your thoughts?
S15 (16:57):
Um, that's the UK. They have a different legal system
than we do. They don't have a written constitution. Um,
and I'm sorry for them for that fact. Uh, because
we do, and it is a bulwark against, uh, insidious
use of public education to indoctrinate children in one particular
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viewpoint or another. I'll give you one example. Uh, this
was decades ago. I was practicing law, because I do
a lot of religious liberty and free speech and First
Amendment cases. I was reading all the case law, and
suddenly this case in Massachusetts pops up, where a teacher
in the public schools had used the teachings of Maharishi Yogi. Yeah,
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to teach meditation techniques for the children and have them
participate in meditation, uh, eastern, uh, religion style. Uh. The
federal judge said that's a violation of separation of church
and state. That's one of the few times that separation
of church and state actually ended up on the right side,
rather than the wrong side of a federal court decision.
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But that's why we have a Constitution. They don't. And
it's to their poverty, I think, in terms of their civic, uh,
situation over there. Uh, this is this is indoctrination. It
wouldn't happen here without a lawsuit that would be successful.
S1 (18:21):
Let me take a break and come right back. This
is in the market with Janet Parshall. That's Craig partial
Fridays we just act and we will run through so
many of these stories more after this. So you just
heard this untenable action that took place in Swansea in Wales,
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where the kids without parental notification were taken to a mosque.
And we talked about the fact that the only way
something like this would be justified would be, first of all,
a the parents have to be notified first, last, always inarguable. Second,
the field trip is questionable if they brought someone in
who is a practitioner of a particular faith and did
so under the guise that you're going to have all
kinds of people represented from various faiths, then you've got
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a world religion class, and I understand how that could
be academically justifiable. But there is an inequality here. And
Francesco O'Brien referenced that in the two interview clips that
I played for you. Here's another thing that's happening right now.
What if there's inequality? Then why are Christians being arrested
in the UK. Listen to this.
S16 (19:25):
CBN tonight with me Martin Daubney. Now the Labour ran
Rushmoor Borough Council has sparked outrage by proposing a sweeping
injunction that could see Christian street preachers imprisoned for up
to two years. And if the injunction is breached now
over claims of causing offence or distress. Now, under the
proposed terms, Christians will be banned from praying for individuals,
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handing out religious leaflets or Bibles by hand and laying
hands on people in prayer, even with their permission.
S1 (19:56):
Okay, so something's wrong right out of the gate. So
you have the kids being taken to a mosque in Wales.
By the way, I have another story out of Australia.
Same things happening there. So this isn't just a one
off in Wales. And now you've got a proposal saying
that UK pastors were preaching on the street, could end
up in jail for two years. Now. Add to this
something called Ofcom. That's the UK's communications regulator. They've launched
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a new consultation that could have real implications for how
churches share the gospel online. The consultation is called Online Safety.
Additional safety measures. It was published in July of this year,
and it's running until October 20th, and is part of
Ofcom's continuing work to implement the government's Online Safety Act.
By the way, if you go to the Ofcom website,
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there are 300 pages of regulations. So what is Ofcom proposing?
In their latest document? They're proposing that major live streaming
platforms YouTube, Facebook, TikTok and others should be required to
monitor live streams in real time and take immediate action
if they detect what is considered, quote, hateful or otherwise
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harmful content. Now pause. You just heard a story saying
that there's a proposal in the UK to now arrest
pastors if they're preaching on the street. Why? Well, because
if you take a look, contextualize this from all of
the UK. You put something on Facebook where you say that.
la la is a false prophet? Jesus is the only way.
And the next thing you know 2:00 in the morning.
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I've watched video to this end. This is not a
story I'm making up. Man gets arrested because he's caused
hurtful comments to a neighbor who quietly and anonymously. Big brother.
Thank you. Orwell calls the police. They show up, the
man goes off to jail. So who do you think
is going to be deemed to be hateful online? So
on the face of it, you think, well, maybe this
sounds somewhat reasonable. No one wants violence and genuine hate
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speech being spread online. But as many will appreciate, the
definition of hate is not always straightforward, particularly when it
comes to discussions about moral and religious beliefs. So the consultation,
in other words, this is we've talked about this. The
FCC will have what they call public comment periods of time.
Or sometimes you can publicly comment on an executive order.
The president hands down. So it's when the public can
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speak to the government in a window of time. That
window shuts in ten days in the UK, and individuals
or church groups are free to submit responses. And so
evangelical Christians in the UK are saying, let your voice
be heard, because if a pastor is live streaming from
his church and he's talking about the exclusivity of the gospel,
that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life,
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and no man comes to the father but by him,
and there's only one name under heaven whereby we will
be saved. That could be just like that in these very,
very strange days in the UK, deemed to be hateful
and in the middle of a sermon, their live feed
gets cut. Craig, your thoughts literally.
S15 (22:43):
The devil is in the details in this law. Um,
I've taken a look at it and here's how they
rate it. Uh, in terms of risk, uh, if this passes, um,
then Facebook, Google, um, Microsoft platforms, uh, any tech, uh,
online platform that's available to members of the UK, people
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who live there will be required to put under surveillance,
for instance, a live church service that's live streamed. Okay.
And they will surveil that. And then and there's three
levels of risk. One is low risk of hate, one
is medium risk of hate and the other is a
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high risk of hate. Here's the threshold for action against
the church. Only if there's just a medium risk that
it's a hateful statement. Can they be shut down and investigated.
S1 (23:44):
It's like Goldilocks.
S15 (23:45):
Porridge. It isn't even. It's like, okay, well, at least
maybe you could say if there's a, you know, extreme.
But first of all, hate speech has been rejected by
the US Supreme Court more than once. Wisely so. Number one,
it's not legitimate. Number two, it's never been accurately defined.
I've always defined it as someone hates what you believe
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and therefore they treat you like hate speech. But the
problem is, is never defined. It never will be adequately
defined from a legal or moral standpoint. And so religious
liberties will be. Um, you know, on the, on the
altar of sacrifice over there in terms of personal liberties,
because the Bible has some very strong things to say about, uh,
false teachers. As an example, you and I have often
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quoted those verses. And, um, if Jesus is the only way,
that's very exclusionary. And so some people could feel, oh,
I feel that's hurtful. And they call up the, uh,
you know, the communications folks. And suddenly that church is
shut down. So this is a very troubling, troubling trend.
S8 (24:46):
Wow.
S1 (24:47):
And it seems to be getting worse in the UK
with a pinpoint specificity toward Christians. This, um, unequal measure,
as Francesca O'Brien was alluding to earlier, that is something
that we are seeing with just, uh, it's almost like
the UK is allowing the Islamization of the UK, and
they're purposely silencing Christians. Now, how do you defeat an
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idea you disagree with? You don't Prime Minister Parliament, you
don't do it by censoring someone, you defeat it with
a better idea. We'll give you a chance to do
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go online to in the market with Janet Parshall. So
one of the things we like to do here on
in the market, particularly on Fridays, is to recognize how
imperative it is for us to be good Bereans. Now,
the Bereans were the special group of people who were
testing the writings of Paul. We read about them in
the book of acts. And as you and I mature
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in the faith, we need to be good brands. We
need to test all things. Can you tell when someone's
preaching a gospel of name it, claim it when someone
is preaching a prosperity gospel, when someone is preaching a self-exalting,
you're the center of everything kind of gospel. Can you
tell when someone takes the Word of God and twists
them for a political outcome rather than good exegesis, which
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is a great word that means taking out of the
verse that which is there, rather than eisegesis, which is
superimposing on the verse things that aren't there but are
more in line with the speaker's particular inclinations, theologically or
even politically sometimes. So we need to test all things.
That is part of how we grow up in him,
and that is something we're told to do over and
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over again in Scripture. It's great that we come to
the Lord as babes, and we're on that milk of
the word. But the goal here is to move us
off a diet of milk and move us to a
diet of meat, so we get some spiritual heft on
our bones, and we become people who are found faithful
and can contend for the faith, knowing what we believe
and why we believe it. The other reason we do
it is because we have to watch out. There's some
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dangerous wildlife out there. In the Bible, Jesus says, beware
of false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing,
but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. And you and I
need to recognize that sound when the wolves are howling.
Because what Satan does so often is takes a little
bit of truth and mixes it with a hefty dose
of a lie. And then you think to yourself, well,
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I heard something in there that sounds right. So therefore
it must be right. And that is deception. That is
how the father of lies work. So the best way
to do this is to constantly be exposed to the wolves.
Howlings so you begin to recognize it when you're sitting
in a pew or listening to a podcast or watching
somebody on TV and you can say, uh, uh uh,
that just doesn't sound right. You're in the word. You
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get what I call a spiritual Geiger counter. It's really
the quickening of the Holy Spirit. And you hear something
and all of a sudden you go, oh, that doesn't
seem right. And then you go to the word and
you check it, and all of a sudden you discover
what you just got was a crooked idea rather than
the straight stick of truth. So I'm going to have
you listen to this person. I never say the name.
I never say the denomination. I'm not giving the person
free publicity. And I'm certainly not going to talk about
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denominations because we get real tribal in this area. And
then you're thinking, well, you know, I got to defend
my denomination. No, no, you want to know Christ and
make him known. And the denominations are just an after
the fact. Okay. When we get to heaven, I guarantee
you there's no seating structure for the Presbyterians over here
in the Baptists over there. So we want to know
Jesus and to make him known. So put on your
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thinking caps and listen to this ravenous wolf. Have a listen.
S17 (28:49):
Called out Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send
Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water
and cool my tongue. But the first thing I have
to say is to repeat to reiterate what I said
in my e-news. This is a parable. This is in
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no way the description of some kind of idea of
hell or heaven, of being punished in fires of hell,
or of being refreshed at the gates of heaven. Jesus
is simply telling a story. He would have had none
of those ideas in his head. Hades was simply known
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as the place of the dead where everybody would hang out, right?
So put away all that heaven and hell stuff and
put away, uh, any idea, um, that what we do
in this life will determine what happens to us after
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we die. There's something much more challenging that is going
on here. Also, talking about eternal time, we hear that
when he talks, when he says in God's eternal time.
So I want to refresh for you. You've heard me
say this before anytime in Scripture or in our liturgy, uh,
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anytime you hear the phrase eternal life that is not
referring to any future time after we die in the
sense of an everlasting soul. Uh, there may be those
lines in there, but certainly when they're when eternal life
is used either in Scripture or in the liturgy, eternal
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life means, uh, being constantly in the presence of God.
That's why. And you've heard me say this before in
the absolution from sin at the end, and I say,
by the power of the Holy Spirit keep you in
eternal life, not save you for eternal life. Prepare you
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for eternal life. Keep you in eternal life. Eternal time
is a state of being where you are living out
of the heart of the compassion and the justice and
the mercy and the hope of God every day.
S1 (31:28):
Wow. Wow. Okay, so she stands up there. And by
the way, is it just me? Why are so many
of these wolves female wolves? It really bothers me, I digress.
She's standing up with the garbs of religiosity, and she's
telling people that there's nothing really about eternal life. It's
all about the here and now. Keep you eternally now.
And it raises a very common question. I'd like to
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say to this woman over a cup of coffee, why
do you go to church? Why do you go and
put the robes of religiosity on? in. You could be
just kind of a life coach instead, because if you're
not teaching people that they're sinners in desperate need of
a savior, and that in the end, the world is
divided into two camps those who said yes and those
who said no and heaven and hell are absolutely real.
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Why are you in this business? Just be a life coach. Have,
you know, some gatherings of women and do a book
club and then give them some life skills about being
happy now, because you're certainly misrepresenting Scripture and you're leading
them down a path that leads directly to hell. Of course,
what she was quoting from cryptically was Luke 1619 through
23 about the rich man clothed in purple and fine linen,
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who feasted sumptuously every day. And at his gate was
laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, who
desired to be fed with what fell from the rich
man's table. Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores.
The poor man died and was carried by the angels
to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried.
And in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his
eyes and saw Abraham afar off and Lazarus at his side.
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So again, it's one parable, and you can't speak too
much more into it than that. But Jesus knows who
he's talking about. By the way, this was from rabbinical writings,
so Jesus knew exactly who the crowd was. He always
did that he was talking to. And what we can
understand also is that categorically, heaven and hell exists. Jesus
is in no doubt whatsoever about that. And he talks
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about hell when he's talking about this. And obviously what
we learn, too, is that Jesus is trying to tell
us that when you're in eternity, you are in a
conscious state, uh, that people don't go into oblivion. And
those people who subscribe to, uh, annihilationism. So that when
you die, you're annihilated and you don't eternally suffer. That's
not what Scripture teaches, by the way. And you can't
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subscribe either to the antithesis, which is universalism, which is, hey,
God's a good God. Everybody's going to end up in heaven.
Then why did Jesus have to go to the cross?
So all of these bizarre ideas, but then you can
pick it up and you can go to John 525
through 29. Truly, truly, I say to you, the hour
is coming and is now here, when the dead will
hear the voice of the Son of God. And those
who hear will live. For as the father has life
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in himself, so has he granted the son also to
have life in himself, and he has given him authority
to execute judgment. You know tomorrow, madam, with the robes
on tomorrow judgment, because he is the Son of Man.
Do not marvel at this. For an hour is coming,
when all who are in tombs will hear his voice
and come out. And those who have done good to
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the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil
to the resurrection of judgment. There are a myriad of
other verses, madam. He's not talking about eternally in the now.
It's talking about Judgment Day. Your thoughts?
S15 (34:34):
Uh, when Jesus was preaching and teaching, uh, Sheol or
Hades was well known. And this is what was believed
and preached at the time that Hades, uh, was divided
into two different places. Hades was the place where the
dead go in some form of conscious awareness. They'd either
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go to Gehenna or they'd go to Paradise. Now Gehenna
was the name that was used just to give you
a glimpse of the reality of hell outside the Jerusalem
gates and walls. There was a huge garbage dump where
everybody put their refuse and human waste, and it was
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constantly on fire. That's what they called Gehenna. That was
their picture of hell. Jesus mentions heaven and hell, um,
in Matthew 25, in Matthew, chapter ten, in Matthew, chapter 13,
in Matthew 21, in Luke chapter 30, uh 13, uh,
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there is um, there is no question. And he treated
it as a reality, not as a hypothetical. There is
no question that the kingdom of God and by the way,
in Luke, Jesus specifically preaches about those who say, hey,
we knew you. In fact, he says, many will come
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to me and say, when the kingdom comes. Hey, uh,
you preached in our streets. Yeah, okay. But you didn't
know me. So you'll be cast out into the other
outer darkness. So the understanding of the kingdom life will
be separated from the idea of a real hell is
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all throughout Jesus's preaching and teaching.
S1 (36:30):
Well, again. And this is why you recognize the wolves. So,
you know, don't let the costumes betray the content of
the heart. So she talks about there's no heaven and hell.
Don't don't think about eternal life. Really? Well, Matthew a
Hebrews rather tells us it's appointed unto man once to die.
And after that the judgment going back again to Matthew,
Jesus says, unless you change, you become like little children.
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You'll never enter the kingdom of heaven. He keeps talking.
Future tense, future tense, future tense. The onus doesn't fall
on us to prove that there is the reality of
heaven and hell. It falls on the wolf to be
able to say that she can justify scripturally that there
is no heaven or hell, and there certainly is no
eternal life. She not only doesn't do that, one wonders
whether or not she even spends time in the word.
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I heard a lot of feel good Johnny stuff there,
but I certainly didn't hear any biblical truth. We'll take
a break and be right back.
S18 (37:37):
Is there a heaven to cut to the chase? I
don't know. This is not a phrase commonly associated with preachers.
People think we are supposed to know that we live
in certainty, that we have everything figured out. I even
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have a few colleagues who think that. But I do
not know. I am, as Marcus Borg more eloquently said,
in the precise sense of the word. I am an
agnostic about what happens after death. An agnostic is one
who doesn't know. Agnosticism is not a halfway house between
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believing and atheism. It is a state of not knowing.
S1 (38:31):
Again, a female wolf. I'm just saying that as part
of the female species, this really bothers me. Dressed in religiosity.
Different wolf than you heard before. She just doesn't know
you're wearing the robe. The robes of religion. One presumes
that your primary text is the Word of God. Matthew
1347 through 50. Again, the kingdom of heaven is like
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a net that was thrown into the sea and gathered
fish of every kind. When it was full, men drew
it ashore and sat down and sorted the good into containers,
but threw away the bad. So it will be at
the end of the age. The angels. The angels will
come out and separate the evil from the righteous, and
throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there
will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. I don't know, Craig.
When all else fails, read the instructions.
S15 (39:15):
Um. It starts with the Word of God. It starts
with the Bible. There are only two ways of understanding
the bigger issues and the bigger questions of life. By
the way, as you well know, uh, one of the
big questions I was dealing with, uh, when I came
to Christ was, what's after death? What's out there? Um,
(39:37):
and that was the question I couldn't answer. Had studied
it for a while And read some smart people who
I thought were smart. They didn't know either or their
ideas didn't make sense under scrutiny. So, uh, the big
questions are either answered by speculation. Human speculation. Now, if
we're flawed and if we're also subject to inherent sin,
(40:02):
then we're going to try to think up speculative ideas
that make us comfortable, that keep us from being accountable
and keep us from being responsible, particularly to a God
who might hold us accountable. So we'll spin all kinds
of what Peter said, by the way, in, uh, second
Peter cleverly devised myths.
S1 (40:23):
Yes, exactly.
S15 (40:24):
That's what you just heard, the agnostics, uh, philosophy of,
you know, if you're reasonable and rational, you really don't know. Well,
then go to the other side, which is revelation. It's
either speculation by humans and it's always wrong, or it's
revelation from God to let you know what the truth is.
S1 (40:42):
Yeah. And again, over and over and over again. Remember
the prior Wolf talked about the fact that don't believe
in this eternal life stuff, first Timothy one five or
15 to 16. The saying is trustworthy, trustworthy, and deserving
of full acceptance that Christ came into the world to
save sinners, of whom I am the foremost. This is
Paul writing to his young student Timothy. But I received
(41:03):
mercy for this reason, that in me, as the foremost
Jesus Christ might display his perfect patience as an example
to those who were to believe in him for eternal life.
How can you say when you read that it means
it's future tense? It's where we're going to go. It's
the it's it's why I'm so glad I talked to
(41:23):
Ray comfort earlier this week. Why this bold preaching of
the gospel says, don't appeal to the intellect because therein
lies conflict. Appeal to the conscience. All of us have
sinned and fallen short. There's not one righteous. No, not one.
That first Wolf was basically giving you a feel good story.
Just live in the now, you know, and we'll just
(41:43):
let's just be in the now and be, you know,
that whole idea of, um, how we behave toward one another.
That's nice. That should be the fruit of a life
that's been transformed through the indwelling power of the Holy Spirit.
But it doesn't get you into heaven. You can be
as nice as you want. You can serve in the
Esher committee. You can make sure you teach Sunday school.
You can make sure you have a perfect attendance of church.
None of that has the doors of heaven open and
(42:05):
allows us to walk in. It's the recognition of the
fact that all have sinned. It's why Ray is so
right in pointing out the Ten Commandments. Every single one
of us. That's a giant mirror. We stand in front
of it. None of us can keep the law. And
when we break one part of the law, we have,
in essence, broken every part of the law. And as
a result, we realize that we have missed the standard.
(42:26):
We cannot rise to the standard of righteousness. And so
what happens is you start by recognizing your sinful state.
The problem with the two things that you just heard
from those two wolves is it fails to recognize that
we are sinners. And as Newton said of old, the
man behind amazing Grace. Two things I know. He said
this toward the end of his life, that I am
a great sinner and he is a great Savior. Those
(42:47):
two points are the northern star in this entire conversation,
recognizing our fallen state every day and every way. We
just want to have our best life ever. You know?
And we just want to make sure that we are
the center of everything. We have nothing to do with
it other than the recognition that we are sinners and
we are flawed, fractured, fallen, broken. We start with that recognition.
(43:09):
Then we recognize who Christ was, the antithesis of all
of that. The unblemished Lamb of God who takes away
the sins of the world, perfect God, perfect man, pays
the price. When you and I should have gone to
the cross. Instead, Jesus steps in and he says, I'll
pay the penalty.
S15 (43:24):
You know, we used to see John 316 draped in, uh,
NFL stadiums during football games, and a lot of people
mocked it and a lot of people cheered it. But
John 316 Jesus is talking to one of the great
wise men of the religious elite of his day, and
he said, you have to be born again. And it
(43:45):
didn't register. And he said, look, God so loved the
world that he gave his only begotten son. And then
he talks about eternal life. You will not perish. He said,
if you are born again in his son, but you
will have eternal life. Those are realities from the mouth
of Jesus, from Scripture.
S1 (44:04):
How about the words from Calvary that when the the
thief on the cross turns and looks at Jesus, he said,
you are the Son of God. And he recognizes it.
So he acknowledged, even though he's paying the sins, the
penalty for earthly sins, that thief on the cross was
losing his life moment by moment. On the cross he
turned and he recognized that Jesus was the Savior of
(44:24):
the world. And what does Jesus say to him this
very day? You will be with me not in the
here and now, but in Paradise. So again, I love
these kinds of conversations because it's either completely true or
it's completely false. There is no neutrality in this position either.
Jesus is exactly who he said he was or we
are great fools.
S15 (44:45):
You know, Jenna, I have a theory. I have a
theory that the that the skeptics who have tried to
attack the Bible for hundreds of years have gotten so
frustrated because they couldn't disprove it that they now are saying,
don't read it, just believe the myth. I'll spill spin
for you with my robes to make you feel comfortable.
S1 (45:03):
Or marginalize the people who do read it and do
believe it right? And you can pick up whatever pejorative
you want to talk about. Look, I'm going to say
it again. I cannot think of a more exciting time
to be a follower of Christ. Good is called evil.
Evil is called good. People are doing what's right in
their own eyes. Wolves are running all over the cultural
horizon speaking heresy. And yet you and I have an
opportunity to proclaim the imperishable message of the cross. Find
(45:27):
some time to do that soon. We'll see you next time, friends.
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