June 6, 2025 • 44 mins
On In The Market with Janet Parshall this week we tackled a subject that can cripple a life and a faith walk: anxiety. We spoke to a father and son team who educated us what exactly anxiety is and is not, why it is different than worry and how to use God’s word as a healing antidote to anxiety. Much like anxiety, depression can also take us down for the count. Once again, we turned to a friend of the program and a highly family therapist to address this important topic head on. She gave us a better understanding of what depression is and she addressed the need for the church to continue to show sensitivity to those who struggle with mental challenges allowing them to find love, understating and acceptance within the family of God. Once again, we visited with a highly respected evangelist and friend of the program who talked about some of the most common types of resistance that he encounters when sharing the good news and how to navigate them. He also gave us some important insights into how to share the gospel message with family members. In the push and pull of life it is so easy for believers to be so earth focused that we forget the greatest promise of God to His children, a life beyond this veil of tears in Heaven with Him forever. Our guest explained why God has placed the hope of Heaven at the center of the Christian faith. Through a series of biblical meditations he helped a gain a greater appreciation of this great inheritance while we trod the soil of the here and now. Perhaps never before has there been such a need for God’s people to use their discernment when reading the news. We invite you to sharpen those skills as our favorite husband and wife team dig deep to find the story behind the stories as they examine more headlines of the week against God’s straight stick of truth.
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Welcome to In the Market with Janet Parshall. Today's program
is where Janet and her husband, Craig, take some of
the stories making headlines this week and offer their insight
and analysis. Before they get started, let's take a quick
look back at some of the highlights from the week.
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What makes Heaven a world of more than we could
ever imagine here in this life? And what makes heaven
a world of no more. Of all the things that
bring us down in this life. Grief and pain and
suffering and death. What makes heaven what it is, is
the fact that God will dwell with us there, that
he will be our light, that the whole earth will
be full of his glory. And we'll see it. See
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him as He is. So yeah, I think in Colossians three,
Paul sees heaven as an extension of our longing for heaven,
rather our focus on it as an extension of our
love for Jesus. Our deep desire to be where he
is is what keeps our mind set above, and longing
for the day when he's revealed to us.
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I said to this young lady, I says, sin is
so serious to a holy God is giving you the
death sentence. You're on death row. You're in a nice
holding cell with a nice blue roof, good air conditioning,
good lighting. But this life is a holding cell, and
your death will be evidence to you that God is
deadly serious about sin. That is an eye opener. You see,
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the eyes widen because sin, as far as they're concerned,
is something you play with. It's like a little puppy.
It's not like a ferocious tiger, but once they see it,
it's the killer. It's the death always goes hand in
hand with, uh, with sin. The wages of sin is death.
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He wants us to live that kind of life, that
when those things do, we do encounter those initial things
that tend to make us anxious. Instead of those thoughts
start coming to us, we immediately go to where the
presence of God is now. It's the peace of God
that he offers us in the first two verses. But
when we put it into practice, he says, And God
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of peace will be We'll be with you. And it's
his manifest presence that we live in.
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There certainly are many, many places in Scripture, particularly in
the Psalms and in Lamentations, where the writers are very
much in anguish and suffering and in despair and wondering
where God is and questioning their faith and suffering. So
there's a lot of issues involved in this, and we
just have to be very careful, Janet, not to just
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give a sort of cliched answer to somebody or, you know,
just miss them and say, well, if you just pray
more about it, you'll be fine.
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To hear the full interviews from any of those guests
go to In the Market with Janet Parshall and click
on Past Programs. Here are some other stories making headlines
this week.
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Procter and gamble announced on Thursday that it will cut
7000 jobs over the next two years, fueled in part
by U.S. tariffs that have roiled numerous consumer companies.
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The European Central Bank cut interest rates as expected on Thursday.
The key rate was lowered by 25 basis points to 2%.
S9 (05:00):
The US backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation halted aid distribution on
Wednesday as it pressed Israel to boost civilian safety beyond
the perimeter of its distribution sites.
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Janet and Craig have lots to share, and they'll put
the first story on the table when we return. To
get more information or to download the podcast of any
of the interviews, go to In the Market with Janet Parshall.
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Have you ever wondered why music moves us so deeply,
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Together I'm in the market with Janet Parshall and on
Fridays it should be and Craig Parshall. He joins me
on Fridays. We take a look at the stories making headlines,
and we take out the straight stick of truth. And
what we do is we examine what God's Word has
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to say about the world around us. It's applied Christianity,
the whole truth or the whole gospel to the whole
world all around us. And again, I say this all
the time, and I say it because there's really a
sense of encouragement in all of this. The world is
doing exactly what the world does without Jesus. The bigger question,
my friends, is whether or not we, as followers of Christ,
are doing what we're supposed to do in a sin sick,
fallen world. That's our challenge. That's our opportunity. So in
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case you hadn't noticed, some people decide that they wanted
to call June Gay Pride Month. It all goes back
to then-President Bill Clinton, who had issued a proclamation. Barack
Obama issued a proclamation, and then Joe Biden issued a proclamation,
all of them during their presidency, honoring what happened at
Stonewall in Greenwich Village in New York City. The police
raided a gay bar, and the rioting that happened went
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on for five days. So the people in that same
sex attracted community said, you know what? That's the beginning
of a civil rights movement. Well, that's one way to
interpret it. And others have continued to foster the idea
that your chosen sexual activity is somehow worthy of protection
under civil rights in this particular country. It's a long
debated issue, and it's one that some people are just
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not tolerating anymore. Because really and truly, and this is
why there's such a pushback, think about this against the
ex-gay movement and why Paul told us in Corinthians. By
the way, such were some of you. The reason the activists,
not all the activists, want to silence people who were
same sex attracted at one point in time is because
you're telling truth to people who have been lying. You
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were born that way. You can't change. Uh, it's already
predetermined in your genes. None of that, by the way,
is scientifically substantiated. It's blather. And if you see it
long enough and loud enough, the lie becomes the truth.
But the truth of the matter is, there is no
scientific substantiation of that. And the best argument for that
is the fact that there are people who have dealt
with this particular challenge in their life that the Bible
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calls sin, not Craig, not me. The Bible calls sin,
and they have been able to change their life completely
through the power of the Holy Spirit in dwelling in
their life. And that's a story they don't want you
to hear. So we had a great conversation earlier this
week with Joe Dallas talking about this particular topic. A
man who himself struggled in this issue now has been
married many years, the father of several children, and heads
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a ministry in Tustin, California, where he counsels people who
struggle in this particular area. So I give you that
by way of background, because I think you're starting to
see and this always happens with cultural movements. The pendulum
swings way to one side and then begins to rectify itself.
And we're seeing some of the rectifications this year. So
you've got several corporations that are saying, no, we're not
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going to get involved in Gay Pride Month. You got
several Big Lots stores and national chain stores that hit
you right in the face last year that this year went.
I don't think so. You got a bunch of brands
that would brand rainbows all over their chips and their
cereal and their candy that this year have decided to
step back. I think it's because after a while, people
just get a kind of fatigue on this. And so
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you've got people calling this traditional marriage month, you've got
this American Pride Month. We let's celebrate the this month.
The list goes on and on and on. Something to
think about the way when you think to. Today is
the anniversary of D-Day, June 6th, 1944. Speaking of the military,
here's an example. And by the way, so that we
learn to test all things like a good Berean, I
want us to learn to recognize language that's run afoul
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when you read it or hear it in a press report.
How's this for an opening line, Craig? President Trump's assault
on the LGBTQ community will continue through Pride Month. Now,
I'm not going to go. I'm going to go the
rest of the story in a minute. But just assault.
It has legal parents. It has law enforcement. Meaning to
it assault. You mean because he won't like his predecessor,
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light up the white House with rainbow flags? It's, quote,
an assault.
S10 (10:04):
That word is intended journalistically to trigger its readers into
a certain emotional response against the enemy here. And it's
clear who they want to paint as the enemy.
S1 (10:17):
Exactly. So, ladies and gentlemen, we learn to discern. We
test all things. And when that's the opening salvo, you
understand there's already a slant to this piece. Read it
if you want, but just understand that this is an
objective reporting by. You used to be called yellow.
S10 (10:30):
By the way. Yellow journalism. Exactly right. You know, mud
raking and things like that.
S1 (10:35):
That's exactly. And now we've gone back to that again, unfortunately.
So what was what was reported in Military.com is that
the Navy is preparing to rename a ship. It was
called Harvey Milk. Okay. And that was supposedly a decision
that was made when I was running rampant through the military.
And you had a previous administration that was very much
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on board with these kinds of ideas. It was a
way of honoring this gay rights activist that came out
of San Francisco, but now they are going to rename
that ship. And so it's not going to be called
the Harvey Milk anymore. Other vessels, um, are are going
to be considered again for names that may or may
not have had political application to them as opposed to
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the purpose you name a ship after someone is to
honor them for the great work that they've done. So
what's your take on that, Greg? Good idea or bad idea?
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Well, I think the original idea was a terrible idea
over three different administrations believing that they could politicize the military. Now,
the military has one job, which is to protection is
the protection of the United States and its citizens. As
a matter of fact, so uh, important is that obligation
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that it was not just implied in the Constitution. It
was explicit in the preamble to the Constitution. One of
the purposes of the formation of our government, according to
the preamble, was defense of our nation, which means a national,
a federal military. That's the purpose not to politicize it,
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not to use it as a social engineering laboratory for
new ideas about gender and sexuality. It is for defense
of the nation. And if there's anything that should be
of common interest to all of us, regardless of where
we are on the political spectrum, or even in terms
of our spiritual perspective, certainly we can all agree that
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the military's job should be protection of us from our enemies,
foreign and domestic. Now, why politicize it? Well.
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We all know. we all know.
S10 (12:42):
We all know the reasons for that. So it shouldn't
have been done in the first place. It's about time
that they depoliticised these ships in terms of their names. Because,
you know, if you're a sailor on one of these ships,
you have to, in effect, indirectly agree with the former
mayor of San Francisco and his advocacy for an explosive,
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radical idea about sexuality by calling that ship by his name.
S1 (13:11):
And his personal lifestyle.
S10 (13:12):
And you were required to do so as a member
of the military.
S1 (13:15):
Yep, yep. So, uh, kudos to our Department of Defense
for saying that this is now going to be reconsidered.
When you talk about getting rid of Dei, this is
another example of it. So, uh, I'll tell you, there's
an interesting segue here. So we talk about, uh, the
bias that's palpable out there in this particular issue. And
like I say, I think we're witnessing a cultural counter correction.
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People have got fatigue in this. They're tired of being
forced all the time, right? We're going to call it,
you know, kids coming to school wearing gay T-shirts and
the teachers putting out gay flags, etc. and, you know,
in the meantime, you're going to tear down a statue
of Christopher Columbus, and the Italian-Americans get mad. So you
can't make people happy. When you do things like this,
you might as well just stay out of it and
do something that's transcendent and universally accepted. Like, how about
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June is Honor our vets month? Which would be a
much better idea, but how does I figure into this?
So there's this fellow named Elon Musk. You may have
heard of him particularly in the last 24 hours, but
I digress. Uh, and he has an AI component on,
on his platform called. It's called grok. And, uh, I'm
loathe to go to any of these because I know
behind the machine is a human being who has pre-planted
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a particular worldview. These machines do not think, okay, they
are not sentient beings. It's like a very sophisticated Rubik's Cube,
and you can build it so you can move it
around a thousand times real fast. And then you get
all the yellow on one side, the red on one side,
the blue and the other, And ah, it's thinking no
it's not, it's a pre-programmed machine. So somebody, by the way,
went to grok and decided to talk about Pride Month,
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and it's linked to Sodom and Gomorrah. So let me
read what grok said. The claim linking Pride Month to
Sodom and Gomorrah's sins likely stems from traditional views that
the biblical story parentheses, Genesis 19 condemns homosexuality, as some
Christian and Islamic texts suggest, and then they give a
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verse for the Christian is verse in Jude, and then
they cite a passage in the Quran. Let me, let
me just stop that. I'm going to read the rest
of it. So as we unpack this, using that thinking
cap that your mom and dad told us to put
on on a regular basis, um, it's a biblical story.
So grok you machine, you foolish, foolish machine. Why would
you even bring up Islam? Islam has nothing to do
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with the Bible. So you talk about it being a
biblical story from the traditional views that the biblical story
Genesis 19 condemns homosexuality. But you bring up the crime. Oh, okay.
But then grok, in its PC fashion, programmed by somebody
probably in Silicon Valley or Communist China somewhere, goes on
to say, however, modern scholars, yes, we poor, uneducated and
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easy to command Christians. Modern scholars argue that the story
focuses on wait for it. We talked about it with
Joe Dallas earlier this week on Inhospitality and Social Injustice
Pride Month, rooted in the 1969 Stonewall riots. I just
talked about that celebrates LGBTQ rights and has no direct
biblical tie. The connection seems rhetorical, not factual, reflecting debated
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interpretations rather than historical accuracy. Right. That, ladies and gentlemen,
is a perfect example of why I'm never going to
go to AI to write my term paper. Okay. I
don't think who fact checks I first of all. Okay,
so you got a programmer who put all of these
things in together, and that's the Rubik's Cube that they
came up with. Sorry, all the yellow are not on
one side of the cube on that story, but it
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is grossly inaccurate. Your thoughts, Greg?
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Well, you and I have talked about the problems with AI,
and they're just beginning. I think we're going to find
out more and more as they get more and more
sophisticated in terms of their operations. And I use the
word operations like a machine because they are really computing machines.
They still are. Always have been and always will be.
No matter how they may be clothed in robot form,
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or may have soothing voices that speak back to us in,
you know, melodious tones and say, I want to be
your companion. Regardless of that, there are still machines that
have been coded by someone, programmed with certain data and
not programmed with other data. And some of that data
is simply picking up the old fallacy about Sodom and
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Gomorrah being a problem of hospitality rather than sexual perversion
and judged by God.
S1 (17:35):
Yeah, and a serious sexual act, by the way. Right.
They were going to rape the angels, right? Lot offers
up his daughters. By the way, we talked about this
earlier this week with Joe Dallas because there's a new
book out called Queer and Christian that makes this same play.
And we talked about it more after this. So I
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told you that earlier this week. And you can go back,
find wherever your favorite podcast is, podcasts reside and just
download in the market with Janet Parshall. So Wednesday of
this week, our one, we talked to Joe Dallas because
I invited him on to offer his review of the
new book, Queer and Christian Reclaiming the Bible Our Faith
and Our Place at the table. And, um, it's so problematic.
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And I think the worst part of it is, after
naming what he calls queer saints in Scripture, did you
know that Ruth and Naomi were lesbians? Neither did I. Uh,
did you know that Jesus was gay and he talks
about his relationship with Lazarus. I mean, it's blasphemous, by
the way, not scripturally substantiated by any stretch of the imagination.
And probably the saddest part of all is the author
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Brandon Robertson says he doesn't really believe that the Bible
is the inerrant word of God. And yet he's pursuing
a PhD in biblical studies. I made the point with
Joe that I'll make now, which is like saying, I'm
going to be a plumber and I hate water. Why
in the world would you want to get a PhD
in biblical studies? If you don't believe in the inerrancy,
the immutability, the ascendency, the God breathed aspect of Scripture
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truth for all people in all times and all places.
Talk about prescription for headache. That would be one. But
I think there's another reason why he may have written
this book. He showed up at a podcast recently and
said this.
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I'm a sex positive, agnostic leaning, very open and explorative
Christian ish queer person, and I'm really getting to the
place where I'm done playing by other people's rules. I'm
done being afraid and having panic attacks because God forbid,
somebody comes after me for saying what I really believe
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or putting my full self out there.
S1 (19:41):
Well, I hope no one ever goes after you, Brandon,
because nobody should do that. And I hope particularly no
one in the Christian community does that. But it doesn't
mean that we will not examine your ideas. So if
you want to hear our critique, and both Joe and
I made a point of reading the book so you
don't have to, and taking a look at what the
straight stick of truth has to say, and comparing it
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to the Word of God. And what we read was
nothing but crookedness. And so buyer beware. Now, this book
will probably skyrocket to the top of the New York Times,
and you'll be on every talk show, because all you
have to do is hate God, and you'll get an
invitation on any secular platform you want, and get out
there and talk about the Bible was all wrong. Let
me tell you, you'll have an open. They'll they'll put
the red carpet down for you. You can walk in
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and you can dedicate denigrate Christianity, Jesus and the Bible.
So he's done Craig. He's Christian ish. Again, I would say,
and this is a legitimate, compassionate question, why would you
frustrate yourself and get a PhD in biblical studies if
you're Christian ish? You don't even believe in the Bible.
And then you have to stop and say, well, either
you're searching and may that be the case, and may
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you find yourself at the foot of the cross having
a full knowledge of who Christ is and understanding that
he loves you. But contrary to the dedication in your book,
he doesn't love you just the way you are. We
come to him in our sin and thank you, Heavenly Father,
you don't leave us in our sin, otherwise that makes
a sham of the cross. And so as we examine
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this book, Joe and I realized that it really is
probably about trying to create some tome so that you
were the counterargument to people who read Scripture. And you
can say, no, no, no, no, we we the scholars
have examined it. It's interesting. The preponderance of scholars, quote unquote,
that he quotes are queer studies or queer theologians.
S10 (21:26):
So in other words, they bring their cultural and philosophical
ideas to the Bible rather than going to the Bible,
opening it, and then interpreting the Bible in the context
of what is written, as opposed to rewriting it according
to the norms that you bring. You know, we were
talking a couple of minutes ago about I, you know,
spinning this crazy interpretation, but it's one that's been circulated
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about what Sodom and Gomorrah was really about. Um, it
really raises the question, and this is the question for
all of us. But if you're a if you profess
and this is where our conversation was, if you profess
you're a Christian, if you profess that you're a follower
of Christ, if you make Christian references with regard to yourself,
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then the question is, okay, upon what do you stand?
What source of authority do you stand for? Truth. Um.
And is it the word? Is it culture or with
technology as an example, are you going to go to I, um,
I just read, uh, one post that said somebody went to, uh, ChatGPT,
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which is another form, and that's really the originator.
S1 (22:35):
Another machine.
S10 (22:36):
Another machine. Right. The most popular one is the biggest
one that really started all this. And they wanted to know,
what does the Bible say about marriage? And the last
comment made by the AI, by.
S1 (22:46):
The Rubik's Cube.
S10 (22:46):
By the by the program machine was, quote, cultural traditions
in the Bible. That is, cultural traditions likely shaped how
marriages were conducted in the Bible. So in other words,
cultural traditions. Right?
S1 (23:04):
No, no.
S10 (23:05):
Don't read. Don't believe your lying eyes as you read
the words of Scripture. Instead, realize culture influenced all that stuff.
And then we have our own culture. So, you know,
it's you can believe what you do now or you
can believe what they did then, those old fashioned ancient bigots,
you know, it's your choice. But you'd be stupid kind
of to follow what it really says, you know, because
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we're smarter. And look what we've done since then.
S1 (23:28):
No one will do it. But wouldn't it be fascinating?
I mean, just to let our imaginations run? Well, for
a minute, if we gave a secularist who's a programmer
and someone who is a very committed student of God's
Word and a follower of Jesus, and we gave them
both the same task define marriage or what? You know,
how did the definition of marriage come to be? And
we said, go to your laboratories, create, come back. And
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wouldn't it be interesting? And I'm not a wagering woman,
but if I was, I would say, I bet there's
180 degree difference in the outcomes that the secularist would
pre-program a particular way that is reflective of his or
hers worldview. And the person who has a biblio centric
worldview would program the machine to have a completely different response.
S10 (24:09):
You know, this is this is something that's been going
on for 2000 years. But the end of the 1800s,
beginning of the 1900s, there was this movement, the search
for the historical Jesus. And suddenly scholars were were questioning,
you know, do I really need to believe all this?
Or is there really a real Jesus behind what's written
in Scripture that Scripture doesn't talk about? So do you
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believe the Bible or don't? That's where you start and
that will determine where you end.
S1 (24:36):
We're going to take a break, come right back, clear
our throats and turn the page and start a whole
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with Janet Parshall. One of the things Craig and I
often talk about on Friday are global censors, because it's
it's a wake up call. It isn't a matter of
us being afraid. Come on. You and I aren't afraid,
are we? Right? We're told to be strong and courageous,
and we're also reminded that God didn't give us a
spirit of fear. So fear doesn't come from the Lord.
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That fear gets replaced with faithfulness, right? He is a
strong tower. He is our ever present help. He is
always and continuously on the throne. So we talk about
these things not to be afraid, but for us to
be forearmed, to be prepared. Do we think that the
day will ever come when there will be outright persecution
in the United States? I don't know. Even so, come
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Lord Jesus, right? No one signs up for that. But
I look at other countries and I'm beginning to see
the uptick in persecution. I'm posting on X all the
time stories about the persecuted church. What's going on in
Nigeria as an example is absolutely horrific. But even closer
to home, just on the other side of the pond,
you've got stories now of censorship going on that are draconian.
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They make George Orwell look passive in his fictional stories,
but the reality is it's truth. And when you have censors,
that always is a preceding to discrimination and ultimately persecution,
it follows suit. So I want to turn to a
story that CBN news does. They do such fabulous news
stories I appreciate their work so tremendously. And Dale Hurd
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was the one who reported on this story about a
woman who was a former Muslim. And she lives in
the UK just over there as we say in the
other side of the pond, takes me about six hours.
If I got in an airplane, flew from Washington DC
to Heathrow, that'd be there in about six hours. She's
there proclaiming the good news of the gospel of Jesus Christ,
and oh, what a price she is paying. Have a listen.
S12 (27:14):
She is an Ex-muslim turned Christian evangelist who has been beaten,
chased by mobs, unlawfully jailed and even stabbed.
S13 (27:23):
Can someone call an ambulance?
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Somebody call the ambulance, bro.
S12 (27:25):
All for the sake of the gospel. This is not
Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia. However, it is officially Christian Britain.
Her name is Hatun Tash. And what's been done to
her has even caught the attention of the British media.
Hatun Tash grew up as a muslim in Turkey and
became a Christian after arriving in Great Britain. And as
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an ex-muslim speaking out against Islam, she's become a target.
Tash told us she's changed residences more than 50 times
in the past four years, because she knows Muslims are
looking for her in order to kill her. One man
has already been sentenced to 24 years in prison for trying.
Because of this ongoing danger, she asked that we interview
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her from a secret location. Tash told us her conversion
to Christ began when she learned the truth about Islam
and Muhammad.
S15 (28:18):
As I read his biography, it was very disturbing to me.
So the man who grew up to love and honor
suddenly turns out to be like, yeah, not good, not
good at all. And decided, yep, I can't be Muslim.
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Then she learned about a very different God than the
one of Islam.
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As you dig into it, you get to meet with
a God who is not silent or far or distance
from you, but you meet with a God who concerns
for you, who loves you. He pours out himself on you.
And not only that, he just puts himself on the
cross and then says, I love you from everlasting to everlasting.
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Repent and come to me.
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Tash began sharing this message to Muslims at Speakers Corner
in London's Hyde Park, where speakers climb atop benches and
ladders and where vigorous debates ensue, Soo often between Muslims
and Christians. Her criticism of Islam has sometimes enraged Muslims,
and three years ago, a man slashed her face with
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a knife. He was never caught. She, however, has been
arrested unlawfully more than once. The London police have twice
paid her damages for wrongful arrest, including two years ago
when she refused to leave the area where she was preaching.
Tash was forcibly marched through Hyde Park, followed by Muslims
celebrating her arrest. She was placed in a police van,
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strip searched and jailed. This has not stopped Tash from
going to mosque and sharing the gospel daily.
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I would simply stand in front of the mosques and
say Muhammad is false prophet, Jesus Christ is the Son
of God. Tell me, what is your objections? Hundreds of
Muslims just stop and then they want to talk to you.
Sometimes you get harmed. Sometimes it gets dangerous. is. Um,
sometimes you end up in hospitals, sometimes you end up
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in people's house for a cup of tea. It's all
very different. So I don't care whether people reject me
or not. They need to hear the gospel. They need
to accept or reject Jesus.
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Christian concerns Christian Legal Centre has defended Tash.
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The trick is that her those that come have attempted
to kill her have been caught on camera. The police
know who they are, but they've not been arrested. She
is feared and targeted by Muslim groups because she is
fearless for the gospel. She loves Jesus so much, but
nothing will halt her.
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And Tash told us she'll continue to preach and continue
to challenge Islam.
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Things are dangerous. Should I choose to stay silent? Like
when people are spending £5,000 to buy a gun, to
shoot you and shoot your loved ones. Gospel is so
glorious it cannot be silenced. Lord is the giver of life.
So when it's my time, he will take me home. Uh.
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But until he gives me breath. Um. Uh, we continue
to preach.
S12 (31:30):
Dale Hurd, CBN news, London.
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Excellent reporting by Dale. Wow. You almost don't want to
say a thing for a minute or two. You just
want this to sneak in I'm not reading this in
the New Testament I'm not looking at Brother Paul. This
is a sister who came from Turkey. I found that
let me just linger here for a minute. I thought
to myself, wait a minute. Being strip searched, falsely charged, imprisoned, etc. wait,
that's what happens in Turkey. That's where Andrew Brunson ended
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up spending time in a prison until God, like a
New Testament story, opened the jail cell and released him.
This is in the UK and as Christian Concern pointed
out through their legal team in London, is legend. Legend.
I think either word works with their CCTV, so everything
is caught on camera, so they know exactly who these
people are that have harmed her. There's no excuse pursuing.
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Yeah, there's no excuse now. One person who attempted to
murder her is now spending 24 years in prison. So
it's real clear that the police authorities and the UK
government understand full well that she has been targeted, continuing
to be targeted, and all she is doing is speaking
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the truth. You know, everybody says, no, I want to
be able to speak my truth. Well, she's speaking God's truth,
the word of God's truth, and she's being persecuted and
the government is stepping back. The police are not protecting her.
And yet one attempted murderer is now serving more than
two decades in prison to prove that it is a
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genuine risk to this person's ability to continue with free speech. Now,
if you want to go back in history, I always
point this out. Why is it happening over there? But
not over here? Well, first of all, if we don't
watch out, it will come over here. And there are
shadows of that kind of an approach in UK appearing
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here and there in the United States. But one of
the big differences, the bulwark, the, the sea wall that
we have to keep from being flooded with this kind
of rampant, um, violation of personal liberty to speak the
truth religiously is because UK does not have a written constitution.
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And we do. And our Constitution is, I believe, providentially
provided to us through men who, when they met in
that constitutional convention, whether or not they were true believers
in Jesus Christ as the Son of God and Redeemer
of sin, they all had a belief in the common
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consensus of the Bible as the guiding light for this
new nation in terms of what kind of government, what
kind of freedom and what kind of society we wanted.
And the proof there is in the letters between John
Adams and Thomas Jefferson. Adams made it very, very clear
that that was the consensus at that time. So a
written constitution, by the grace of God. Then, to quote
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Ben Franklin, if we can keep our constitutional republic so
that the church can continue preaching, but God bless her.
You know, I heard her speaking and I thought of
the Apostle Paul, echoes of the apostle Peter when he's
arrested in the book of acts. And he says, look,
what you do with me is your business. I cannot
stay silent.
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Right. Right. And that's what she said. She said, the
gospel is so glorious. I cannot be silent. And I
have to tell you, this is just my thoughts. But,
brothers and sisters, I heard that. And it's like. Is
that our response? Do we believe that the gospel is
so glorious that we ourselves cannot keep silent? Maybe we're
not going to have a mob go after us at
Speakers Corner in Hyde Park in London. What about the
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guy looking funny at you in the carpool? Or the
guy in the office sneering at you because you've said something,
or you're uninvited to a neighborhood party because you're one
of those kind of people? If the gospel is glorious,
you cannot keep quiet. Then it just spills out.
S10 (35:26):
Count it all.
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Joy. Count it all.
S10 (35:27):
Joy. Look, trials will come. We're. In fact, the New
Testament makes it very clear. If you faithfully follow Christ,
there will be some form of persecution. Maybe light, maybe heavy,
may cost you your life, may just cost your job.
Or it may just be that dirty look that somebody
pays you, or some insult that somebody says to your face.
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But regardless, that's the question, isn't it, Janet? How? What?
Of what value is the gospel message to you? Is
it is it a high and holy privilege to share
it regardless of the consequences? Now, it doesn't mean that
we can't be winsome. And we should be. I don't
think we should be harsh. I don't think we should be, um,
you know, indicting, uh, other people. I think, on the
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other hand, we cannot afford to be silent. And if
there was ever an age, an epoch of delusional thinking
that needs the clarity of the gospel, it's today.
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I love what she said. And the Lord is the
giver of life. So when. When it's my time, he'll
take me home. Until then, he gives me breath so
we can continue to preach. What is it about Hatun
that makes her unable to keep the gospel message to herself?
Whatever she's got, I want. She doesn't care about the cost.
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She's far more concerned about the message of the gospel,
and that people will be eternally separated from God without
Jesus Christ. Oh, may her tribe increase back after this.
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So we just talked about Hatun. Tash, who is a
former Muslim, came to faith in Jesus Christ and now
uses the opportunity. And it's very unique, by the way,
to Great Britain. It's called Speaker's Corner. It's a it's
fascinating if you ever get there, uh, in Hyde Park
and people literally get on stepladders and they get on
boxes and they can talk about anything they want. And
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there are so many Christians who take advantage of that
particular area to share the gospel of Jesus Christ. Hatun
is one of them, and she gets all kinds of
Muslims who come because she starts with this question about
the difference between Jesus and Muhammad. So it's open air preaching,
and you've just heard the story of her being persecuted. Well,
as an interesting segue here, I want to have you
listen to another open air preacher. I'm not going to
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name the denomination. I'm not going to name where this
took place, because, again, this is about learning to recognize
the sound of wolves. And that's why on Friday we
give you wolf sounds so that you will say, aha,
that's the wolf, I recognize it. It's a crooked idea.
It's a vain and hollow philosophy predicated on this world
rather than on the Word of God. I am a
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good Berean. I'm going to test all things. I'm going
to hear what the Bible has to say, and use
it as the plumb line to measure the crooked ideas
that are out there. So this individual outdoor preaching, and
he gets up and he says this.
S17 (38:27):
Today, people still use Scripture to keep the strange ones
away from God, to make people less, to raise themselves
above another in a way that God just can't support.
People love to trot out all kinds of scriptures to
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clobber us over the head. Genesis one because God made
only a cisgendered man and woman. Genesis two because that
cisgendered man and woman are perfectly fitted as one flesh.
Genesis 19 Sodom and Gomorrah, which was never associated with
same gender sex until around the first century BCE. Leviticus
18 to 20, where men are told not to lay
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with one another. Women aren't given the same warning. So
I guess there's that Deuteronomy 22, which makes sure that
drag is a no no for men and women. Romans one,
which Paul actually writes to emphasize that in Christ there
is no condemnation first Corinthians six and first Timothy one
which are actually critical of exploitative sex rather than same sex.
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People point to these passages today to keep LGBT, LGBTQ,
plus people out of the church just as they did
to the eunuch with Deuteronomy 23 one. But just as
then God says, no, I'm bigger than that. I'm the
same liberating and restoring God that occurs in Isaiah 56.
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We are here today to claim our place in God's kingdom.
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So there's that. Um, first of all, all of those verses.
There's nothing new under the sun. Those are what are
often referred to as the clobber passages. I don't use
that phrase. The activists in the community use that phrase.
And in this book that we mentioned earlier, queer and Christian,
all of that stuff's brought up again. So there's there's
really nothing new in this new book by Brandon Robertson.
It's the same visitation over and over again. You heard
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him refer to Sodom and Gomorrah. We touched on that
lightly earlier before. So what is happening here is this
idea that in the final analysis, this man who is
apparently calls himself a preacher, uh, he must be reading
a different Bible, or he's taken Thomas Jefferson's approach where
he picks and chooses the parts he likes and disposes
the parts he doesn't like. But we this is, again,
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the problem with making a God of your own construction.
I'm bigger than that. Well, let me tell you how
big God is. God hates sin and you and I
are responsible for sin. How do I know that? Because
that book that he was sloppily referring to says in
the very beginning that the wages of sin is death.
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There is a sign hanging around every one of our
chests that says guilty as charged, and a price has
to be paid, and that price is death. And God
could have left us in that state, but he didn't.
He makes a way of escape, and through his precious word,
he tells us over and over and over again the
whole story of Abraham and Isaac is this flashing neon
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sign that tells you that God the Father is going
to sacrifice his own son, and that son will be
the ultimate sacrifice, not the ram caught in the thicket,
but in fact it will be the unblemished Lamb of God,
Christ Himself, who will pay the atonement for our sins.
So guilty as charged. And Jesus steps in as our
advocate and mediator and says, I will pay the price.
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God is bigger than that misinterpretation that you just heard. Craig.
Your thoughts?
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Well, first of all, where are we starting? Where is
he starting? Uh, because where you start your journey in
terms of how you approach God will probably determine your
ultimate destination. Um, and it's real clear when he says
that God, in effect, is saying, I'm bigger than the Bible,
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I'm bigger than what's said there. I'm bigger than the
message from Genesis to Revelation. No, it's not a matter
of God being bigger than it. It's God's Word because
he's a communicative God. He is not silent. He wants
to communicate to us, and has done so through 66
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books and through, uh, a parade of history in which
he has intervened, culminating in the Son of God being
brought down. God with us, literally walking the streets of
Israel and the byways and highways among us to pay
the price. So, uh, just take as an example one
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little snippet about the Sodom and Gomorrah issue. Jesus. And
Matthew ten, uh, basically authenticates the story in Genesis about
Sodom and Gomorrah because he uses it as a comparison
of evil. So what was the evil? If you go
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to your Scripture and you read what the sin was,
it wasn't the lack of hospitality. There's not even implicit, uh,
reference to lack of hospitality. It was what conduct was
being conducted in that city, in disobedience to God's clear
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command about what was perversion.
S1 (43:44):
And it was the story of what happens when you
do not live righteously. What this open air pastor didn't
talk about was God's righteousness. God's bigger than that. Wait
a minute. He is because he had his son paid
the price. And as a result of my.
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Sin, not just sexual sin. All sin.
S1 (44:02):
And as a result of that, I have the imputed
righteousness of Christ in my life. When I asked him
into my heart as Lord and Savior. When he talks
about these verses and he refers to them as the verse,
this goes back to a conversation we had also on
Wednesday with Ray comfort about why it is imperative that
you hold up that standard of righteousness in front of
someone who doesn't yet know the Lord as their Savior.
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You don't need a Savior if you don't recognize your sin.
And the most egregious part of what that man said
is not the issue of homosexuality and his grotesque misrepresentation
representation of Scripture. It's the failure to recognize that all
of us have sinned. In the words of Newton. All
I know are two things I am a great sinner
and he is a great Savior. That's the most important
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news you will hear ever. Have a great weekend friends.
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Welcome to In the Market with Janet Parshall. Today's program
is where Janet and her husband, Craig, take some of
the stories making headlines this week and offer their insight
and analysis. Before they get started, let's take a quick
look back at some of the highlights from the week.
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What makes Heaven a world of more than we could
ever imagine here in this life? And what makes heaven
a world of no more. Of all the things that
bring us down in this life. Grief and pain and
suffering and death. What makes heaven what it is, is
the fact that God will dwell with us there, that
he will be our light, that the whole earth will
be full of his glory. And we'll see it. See
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him as He is. So yeah, I think in Colossians three,
Paul sees heaven as an extension of our longing for heaven,
rather our focus on it as an extension of our
love for Jesus. Our deep desire to be where he
is is what keeps our mind set above, and longing
for the day when he's revealed to us.
S4 (02:55):
I said to this young lady, I says, sin is
so serious to a holy God is giving you the
death sentence. You're on death row. You're in a nice
holding cell with a nice blue roof, good air conditioning,
good lighting. But this life is a holding cell, and
your death will be evidence to you that God is
deadly serious about sin. That is an eye opener. You see,
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the eyes widen because sin, as far as they're concerned,
is something you play with. It's like a little puppy.
It's not like a ferocious tiger, but once they see it,
it's the killer. It's the death always goes hand in
hand with, uh, with sin. The wages of sin is death.
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He wants us to live that kind of life, that
when those things do, we do encounter those initial things
that tend to make us anxious. Instead of those thoughts
start coming to us, we immediately go to where the
presence of God is now. It's the peace of God
that he offers us in the first two verses. But
when we put it into practice, he says, And God
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of peace will be We'll be with you. And it's
his manifest presence that we live in.
S6 (04:00):
There certainly are many, many places in Scripture, particularly in
the Psalms and in Lamentations, where the writers are very
much in anguish and suffering and in despair and wondering
where God is and questioning their faith and suffering. So
there's a lot of issues involved in this, and we
just have to be very careful, Janet, not to just
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give a sort of cliched answer to somebody or, you know,
just miss them and say, well, if you just pray
more about it, you'll be fine.
S2 (04:30):
To hear the full interviews from any of those guests
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on Past Programs. Here are some other stories making headlines
this week.
S7 (04:40):
Procter and gamble announced on Thursday that it will cut
7000 jobs over the next two years, fueled in part
by U.S. tariffs that have roiled numerous consumer companies.
S8 (04:51):
The European Central Bank cut interest rates as expected on Thursday.
The key rate was lowered by 25 basis points to 2%.
S9 (05:00):
The US backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation halted aid distribution on
Wednesday as it pressed Israel to boost civilian safety beyond
the perimeter of its distribution sites.
S2 (05:12):
Janet and Craig have lots to share, and they'll put
the first story on the table when we return. To
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of the interviews, go to In the Market with Janet Parshall.
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Together I'm in the market with Janet Parshall and on
Fridays it should be and Craig Parshall. He joins me
on Fridays. We take a look at the stories making headlines,
and we take out the straight stick of truth. And
what we do is we examine what God's Word has
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to say about the world around us. It's applied Christianity,
the whole truth or the whole gospel to the whole
world all around us. And again, I say this all
the time, and I say it because there's really a
sense of encouragement in all of this. The world is
doing exactly what the world does without Jesus. The bigger question,
my friends, is whether or not we, as followers of Christ,
are doing what we're supposed to do in a sin sick,
fallen world. That's our challenge. That's our opportunity. So in
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case you hadn't noticed, some people decide that they wanted
to call June Gay Pride Month. It all goes back
to then-President Bill Clinton, who had issued a proclamation. Barack
Obama issued a proclamation, and then Joe Biden issued a proclamation,
all of them during their presidency, honoring what happened at
Stonewall in Greenwich Village in New York City. The police
raided a gay bar, and the rioting that happened went
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on for five days. So the people in that same
sex attracted community said, you know what? That's the beginning
of a civil rights movement. Well, that's one way to
interpret it. And others have continued to foster the idea
that your chosen sexual activity is somehow worthy of protection
under civil rights in this particular country. It's a long
debated issue, and it's one that some people are just
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not tolerating anymore. Because really and truly, and this is
why there's such a pushback, think about this against the
ex-gay movement and why Paul told us in Corinthians. By
the way, such were some of you. The reason the activists,
not all the activists, want to silence people who were
same sex attracted at one point in time is because
you're telling truth to people who have been lying. You
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were born that way. You can't change. Uh, it's already
predetermined in your genes. None of that, by the way,
is scientifically substantiated. It's blather. And if you see it
long enough and loud enough, the lie becomes the truth.
But the truth of the matter is, there is no
scientific substantiation of that. And the best argument for that
is the fact that there are people who have dealt
with this particular challenge in their life that the Bible
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calls sin, not Craig, not me. The Bible calls sin,
and they have been able to change their life completely
through the power of the Holy Spirit in dwelling in
their life. And that's a story they don't want you
to hear. So we had a great conversation earlier this
week with Joe Dallas talking about this particular topic. A
man who himself struggled in this issue now has been
married many years, the father of several children, and heads
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a ministry in Tustin, California, where he counsels people who
struggle in this particular area. So I give you that
by way of background, because I think you're starting to
see and this always happens with cultural movements. The pendulum
swings way to one side and then begins to rectify itself.
And we're seeing some of the rectifications this year. So
you've got several corporations that are saying, no, we're not
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going to get involved in Gay Pride Month. You got
several Big Lots stores and national chain stores that hit
you right in the face last year that this year went.
I don't think so. You got a bunch of brands
that would brand rainbows all over their chips and their
cereal and their candy that this year have decided to
step back. I think it's because after a while, people
just get a kind of fatigue on this. And so
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you've got people calling this traditional marriage month, you've got
this American Pride Month. We let's celebrate the this month.
The list goes on and on and on. Something to
think about the way when you think to. Today is
the anniversary of D-Day, June 6th, 1944. Speaking of the military,
here's an example. And by the way, so that we
learn to test all things like a good Berean, I
want us to learn to recognize language that's run afoul
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when you read it or hear it in a press report.
How's this for an opening line, Craig? President Trump's assault
on the LGBTQ community will continue through Pride Month. Now,
I'm not going to go. I'm going to go the
rest of the story in a minute. But just assault.
It has legal parents. It has law enforcement. Meaning to
it assault. You mean because he won't like his predecessor,
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light up the white House with rainbow flags? It's, quote,
an assault.
S10 (10:04):
That word is intended journalistically to trigger its readers into
a certain emotional response against the enemy here. And it's
clear who they want to paint as the enemy.
S1 (10:17):
Exactly. So, ladies and gentlemen, we learn to discern. We
test all things. And when that's the opening salvo, you
understand there's already a slant to this piece. Read it
if you want, but just understand that this is an
objective reporting by. You used to be called yellow.
S10 (10:30):
By the way. Yellow journalism. Exactly right. You know, mud
raking and things like that.
S1 (10:35):
That's exactly. And now we've gone back to that again, unfortunately.
So what was what was reported in Military.com is that
the Navy is preparing to rename a ship. It was
called Harvey Milk. Okay. And that was supposedly a decision
that was made when I was running rampant through the military.
And you had a previous administration that was very much
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on board with these kinds of ideas. It was a
way of honoring this gay rights activist that came out
of San Francisco, but now they are going to rename
that ship. And so it's not going to be called
the Harvey Milk anymore. Other vessels, um, are are going
to be considered again for names that may or may
not have had political application to them as opposed to
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the purpose you name a ship after someone is to
honor them for the great work that they've done. So
what's your take on that, Greg? Good idea or bad idea?
S10 (11:24):
Well, I think the original idea was a terrible idea
over three different administrations believing that they could politicize the military. Now,
the military has one job, which is to protection is
the protection of the United States and its citizens. As
a matter of fact, so uh, important is that obligation
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that it was not just implied in the Constitution. It
was explicit in the preamble to the Constitution. One of
the purposes of the formation of our government, according to
the preamble, was defense of our nation, which means a national,
a federal military. That's the purpose not to politicize it,
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not to use it as a social engineering laboratory for
new ideas about gender and sexuality. It is for defense
of the nation. And if there's anything that should be
of common interest to all of us, regardless of where
we are on the political spectrum, or even in terms
of our spiritual perspective, certainly we can all agree that
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the military's job should be protection of us from our enemies,
foreign and domestic. Now, why politicize it? Well.
S1 (12:40):
We all know. we all know.
S10 (12:42):
We all know the reasons for that. So it shouldn't
have been done in the first place. It's about time
that they depoliticised these ships in terms of their names. Because,
you know, if you're a sailor on one of these ships,
you have to, in effect, indirectly agree with the former
mayor of San Francisco and his advocacy for an explosive,
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radical idea about sexuality by calling that ship by his name.
S1 (13:11):
And his personal lifestyle.
S10 (13:12):
And you were required to do so as a member
of the military.
S1 (13:15):
Yep, yep. So, uh, kudos to our Department of Defense
for saying that this is now going to be reconsidered.
When you talk about getting rid of Dei, this is
another example of it. So, uh, I'll tell you, there's
an interesting segue here. So we talk about, uh, the
bias that's palpable out there in this particular issue. And
like I say, I think we're witnessing a cultural counter correction.
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People have got fatigue in this. They're tired of being
forced all the time, right? We're going to call it,
you know, kids coming to school wearing gay T-shirts and
the teachers putting out gay flags, etc. and, you know,
in the meantime, you're going to tear down a statue
of Christopher Columbus, and the Italian-Americans get mad. So you
can't make people happy. When you do things like this,
you might as well just stay out of it and
do something that's transcendent and universally accepted. Like, how about
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June is Honor our vets month? Which would be a
much better idea, but how does I figure into this?
So there's this fellow named Elon Musk. You may have
heard of him particularly in the last 24 hours, but
I digress. Uh, and he has an AI component on,
on his platform called. It's called grok. And, uh, I'm
loathe to go to any of these because I know
behind the machine is a human being who has pre-planted
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a particular worldview. These machines do not think, okay, they
are not sentient beings. It's like a very sophisticated Rubik's Cube,
and you can build it so you can move it
around a thousand times real fast. And then you get
all the yellow on one side, the red on one side,
the blue and the other, And ah, it's thinking no
it's not, it's a pre-programmed machine. So somebody, by the way,
went to grok and decided to talk about Pride Month,
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and it's linked to Sodom and Gomorrah. So let me
read what grok said. The claim linking Pride Month to
Sodom and Gomorrah's sins likely stems from traditional views that
the biblical story parentheses, Genesis 19 condemns homosexuality, as some
Christian and Islamic texts suggest, and then they give a
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verse for the Christian is verse in Jude, and then
they cite a passage in the Quran. Let me, let
me just stop that. I'm going to read the rest
of it. So as we unpack this, using that thinking
cap that your mom and dad told us to put
on on a regular basis, um, it's a biblical story.
So grok you machine, you foolish, foolish machine. Why would
you even bring up Islam? Islam has nothing to do
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with the Bible. So you talk about it being a
biblical story from the traditional views that the biblical story
Genesis 19 condemns homosexuality. But you bring up the crime. Oh, okay.
But then grok, in its PC fashion, programmed by somebody
probably in Silicon Valley or Communist China somewhere, goes on
to say, however, modern scholars, yes, we poor, uneducated and
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easy to command Christians. Modern scholars argue that the story
focuses on wait for it. We talked about it with
Joe Dallas earlier this week on Inhospitality and Social Injustice
Pride Month, rooted in the 1969 Stonewall riots. I just
talked about that celebrates LGBTQ rights and has no direct
biblical tie. The connection seems rhetorical, not factual, reflecting debated
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interpretations rather than historical accuracy. Right. That, ladies and gentlemen,
is a perfect example of why I'm never going to
go to AI to write my term paper. Okay. I
don't think who fact checks I first of all. Okay,
so you got a programmer who put all of these
things in together, and that's the Rubik's Cube that they
came up with. Sorry, all the yellow are not on
one side of the cube on that story, but it
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is grossly inaccurate. Your thoughts, Greg?
S10 (16:44):
Well, you and I have talked about the problems with AI,
and they're just beginning. I think we're going to find
out more and more as they get more and more
sophisticated in terms of their operations. And I use the
word operations like a machine because they are really computing machines.
They still are. Always have been and always will be.
No matter how they may be clothed in robot form,
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or may have soothing voices that speak back to us in,
you know, melodious tones and say, I want to be
your companion. Regardless of that, there are still machines that
have been coded by someone, programmed with certain data and
not programmed with other data. And some of that data
is simply picking up the old fallacy about Sodom and
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Gomorrah being a problem of hospitality rather than sexual perversion
and judged by God.
S1 (17:35):
Yeah, and a serious sexual act, by the way. Right.
They were going to rape the angels, right? Lot offers
up his daughters. By the way, we talked about this
earlier this week with Joe Dallas because there's a new
book out called Queer and Christian that makes this same play.
And we talked about it more after this. So I
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told you that earlier this week. And you can go back,
find wherever your favorite podcast is, podcasts reside and just
download in the market with Janet Parshall. So Wednesday of
this week, our one, we talked to Joe Dallas because
I invited him on to offer his review of the
new book, Queer and Christian Reclaiming the Bible Our Faith
and Our Place at the table. And, um, it's so problematic.
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And I think the worst part of it is, after
naming what he calls queer saints in Scripture, did you
know that Ruth and Naomi were lesbians? Neither did I. Uh,
did you know that Jesus was gay and he talks
about his relationship with Lazarus. I mean, it's blasphemous, by
the way, not scripturally substantiated by any stretch of the imagination.
And probably the saddest part of all is the author
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Brandon Robertson says he doesn't really believe that the Bible
is the inerrant word of God. And yet he's pursuing
a PhD in biblical studies. I made the point with
Joe that I'll make now, which is like saying, I'm
going to be a plumber and I hate water. Why
in the world would you want to get a PhD
in biblical studies? If you don't believe in the inerrancy,
the immutability, the ascendency, the God breathed aspect of Scripture
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truth for all people in all times and all places.
Talk about prescription for headache. That would be one. But
I think there's another reason why he may have written
this book. He showed up at a podcast recently and
said this.
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I'm a sex positive, agnostic leaning, very open and explorative
Christian ish queer person, and I'm really getting to the
place where I'm done playing by other people's rules. I'm
done being afraid and having panic attacks because God forbid,
somebody comes after me for saying what I really believe
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or putting my full self out there.
S1 (19:41):
Well, I hope no one ever goes after you, Brandon,
because nobody should do that. And I hope particularly no
one in the Christian community does that. But it doesn't
mean that we will not examine your ideas. So if
you want to hear our critique, and both Joe and
I made a point of reading the book so you
don't have to, and taking a look at what the
straight stick of truth has to say, and comparing it
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to the Word of God. And what we read was
nothing but crookedness. And so buyer beware. Now, this book
will probably skyrocket to the top of the New York Times,
and you'll be on every talk show, because all you
have to do is hate God, and you'll get an
invitation on any secular platform you want, and get out
there and talk about the Bible was all wrong. Let
me tell you, you'll have an open. They'll they'll put
the red carpet down for you. You can walk in
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and you can dedicate denigrate Christianity, Jesus and the Bible.
So he's done Craig. He's Christian ish. Again, I would say,
and this is a legitimate, compassionate question, why would you
frustrate yourself and get a PhD in biblical studies if
you're Christian ish? You don't even believe in the Bible.
And then you have to stop and say, well, either
you're searching and may that be the case, and may
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you find yourself at the foot of the cross having
a full knowledge of who Christ is and understanding that
he loves you. But contrary to the dedication in your book,
he doesn't love you just the way you are. We
come to him in our sin and thank you, Heavenly Father,
you don't leave us in our sin, otherwise that makes
a sham of the cross. And so as we examine
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this book, Joe and I realized that it really is
probably about trying to create some tome so that you
were the counterargument to people who read Scripture. And you
can say, no, no, no, no, we we the scholars
have examined it. It's interesting. The preponderance of scholars, quote unquote,
that he quotes are queer studies or queer theologians.
S10 (21:26):
So in other words, they bring their cultural and philosophical
ideas to the Bible rather than going to the Bible,
opening it, and then interpreting the Bible in the context
of what is written, as opposed to rewriting it according
to the norms that you bring. You know, we were
talking a couple of minutes ago about I, you know,
spinning this crazy interpretation, but it's one that's been circulated
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about what Sodom and Gomorrah was really about. Um, it
really raises the question, and this is the question for
all of us. But if you're a if you profess
and this is where our conversation was, if you profess
you're a Christian, if you profess that you're a follower
of Christ, if you make Christian references with regard to yourself,
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then the question is, okay, upon what do you stand?
What source of authority do you stand for? Truth. Um.
And is it the word? Is it culture or with
technology as an example, are you going to go to I, um,
I just read, uh, one post that said somebody went to, uh, ChatGPT,
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which is another form, and that's really the originator.
S1 (22:35):
Another machine.
S10 (22:36):
Another machine. Right. The most popular one is the biggest
one that really started all this. And they wanted to know,
what does the Bible say about marriage? And the last
comment made by the AI, by.
S1 (22:46):
The Rubik's Cube.
S10 (22:46):
By the by the program machine was, quote, cultural traditions
in the Bible. That is, cultural traditions likely shaped how
marriages were conducted in the Bible. So in other words,
cultural traditions. Right?
S1 (23:04):
No, no.
S10 (23:05):
Don't read. Don't believe your lying eyes as you read
the words of Scripture. Instead, realize culture influenced all that stuff.
And then we have our own culture. So, you know,
it's you can believe what you do now or you
can believe what they did then, those old fashioned ancient bigots,
you know, it's your choice. But you'd be stupid kind
of to follow what it really says, you know, because
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we're smarter. And look what we've done since then.
S1 (23:28):
No one will do it. But wouldn't it be fascinating?
I mean, just to let our imaginations run? Well, for
a minute, if we gave a secularist who's a programmer
and someone who is a very committed student of God's
Word and a follower of Jesus, and we gave them
both the same task define marriage or what? You know,
how did the definition of marriage come to be? And
we said, go to your laboratories, create, come back. And
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wouldn't it be interesting? And I'm not a wagering woman,
but if I was, I would say, I bet there's
180 degree difference in the outcomes that the secularist would
pre-program a particular way that is reflective of his or
hers worldview. And the person who has a biblio centric
worldview would program the machine to have a completely different response.
S10 (24:09):
You know, this is this is something that's been going
on for 2000 years. But the end of the 1800s,
beginning of the 1900s, there was this movement, the search
for the historical Jesus. And suddenly scholars were were questioning,
you know, do I really need to believe all this?
Or is there really a real Jesus behind what's written
in Scripture that Scripture doesn't talk about? So do you
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believe the Bible or don't? That's where you start and
that will determine where you end.
S1 (24:36):
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with Janet Parshall. One of the things Craig and I
often talk about on Friday are global censors, because it's
it's a wake up call. It isn't a matter of
us being afraid. Come on. You and I aren't afraid,
are we? Right? We're told to be strong and courageous,
and we're also reminded that God didn't give us a
spirit of fear. So fear doesn't come from the Lord.
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That fear gets replaced with faithfulness, right? He is a
strong tower. He is our ever present help. He is
always and continuously on the throne. So we talk about
these things not to be afraid, but for us to
be forearmed, to be prepared. Do we think that the
day will ever come when there will be outright persecution
in the United States? I don't know. Even so, come
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Lord Jesus, right? No one signs up for that. But
I look at other countries and I'm beginning to see
the uptick in persecution. I'm posting on X all the
time stories about the persecuted church. What's going on in
Nigeria as an example is absolutely horrific. But even closer
to home, just on the other side of the pond,
you've got stories now of censorship going on that are draconian.
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They make George Orwell look passive in his fictional stories,
but the reality is it's truth. And when you have censors,
that always is a preceding to discrimination and ultimately persecution,
it follows suit. So I want to turn to a
story that CBN news does. They do such fabulous news
stories I appreciate their work so tremendously. And Dale Hurd
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was the one who reported on this story about a
woman who was a former Muslim. And she lives in
the UK just over there as we say in the
other side of the pond, takes me about six hours.
If I got in an airplane, flew from Washington DC
to Heathrow, that'd be there in about six hours. She's
there proclaiming the good news of the gospel of Jesus Christ,
and oh, what a price she is paying. Have a listen.
S12 (27:14):
She is an Ex-muslim turned Christian evangelist who has been beaten,
chased by mobs, unlawfully jailed and even stabbed.
S13 (27:23):
Can someone call an ambulance?
S14 (27:24):
Somebody call the ambulance, bro.
S12 (27:25):
All for the sake of the gospel. This is not
Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia. However, it is officially Christian Britain.
Her name is Hatun Tash. And what's been done to
her has even caught the attention of the British media.
Hatun Tash grew up as a muslim in Turkey and
became a Christian after arriving in Great Britain. And as
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an ex-muslim speaking out against Islam, she's become a target.
Tash told us she's changed residences more than 50 times
in the past four years, because she knows Muslims are
looking for her in order to kill her. One man
has already been sentenced to 24 years in prison for trying.
Because of this ongoing danger, she asked that we interview
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her from a secret location. Tash told us her conversion
to Christ began when she learned the truth about Islam
and Muhammad.
S15 (28:18):
As I read his biography, it was very disturbing to me.
So the man who grew up to love and honor
suddenly turns out to be like, yeah, not good, not
good at all. And decided, yep, I can't be Muslim.
S12 (28:35):
Then she learned about a very different God than the
one of Islam.
S15 (28:39):
As you dig into it, you get to meet with
a God who is not silent or far or distance
from you, but you meet with a God who concerns
for you, who loves you. He pours out himself on you.
And not only that, he just puts himself on the
cross and then says, I love you from everlasting to everlasting.
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Repent and come to me.
S12 (29:04):
Tash began sharing this message to Muslims at Speakers Corner
in London's Hyde Park, where speakers climb atop benches and
ladders and where vigorous debates ensue, Soo often between Muslims
and Christians. Her criticism of Islam has sometimes enraged Muslims,
and three years ago, a man slashed her face with
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a knife. He was never caught. She, however, has been
arrested unlawfully more than once. The London police have twice
paid her damages for wrongful arrest, including two years ago
when she refused to leave the area where she was preaching.
Tash was forcibly marched through Hyde Park, followed by Muslims
celebrating her arrest. She was placed in a police van,
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strip searched and jailed. This has not stopped Tash from
going to mosque and sharing the gospel daily.
S15 (29:56):
I would simply stand in front of the mosques and
say Muhammad is false prophet, Jesus Christ is the Son
of God. Tell me, what is your objections? Hundreds of
Muslims just stop and then they want to talk to you.
Sometimes you get harmed. Sometimes it gets dangerous. is. Um,
sometimes you end up in hospitals, sometimes you end up
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in people's house for a cup of tea. It's all
very different. So I don't care whether people reject me
or not. They need to hear the gospel. They need
to accept or reject Jesus.
S12 (30:30):
Christian concerns Christian Legal Centre has defended Tash.
S16 (30:34):
The trick is that her those that come have attempted
to kill her have been caught on camera. The police
know who they are, but they've not been arrested. She
is feared and targeted by Muslim groups because she is
fearless for the gospel. She loves Jesus so much, but
nothing will halt her.
S12 (30:56):
And Tash told us she'll continue to preach and continue
to challenge Islam.
S15 (31:01):
Things are dangerous. Should I choose to stay silent? Like
when people are spending £5,000 to buy a gun, to
shoot you and shoot your loved ones. Gospel is so
glorious it cannot be silenced. Lord is the giver of life.
So when it's my time, he will take me home. Uh.
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But until he gives me breath. Um. Uh, we continue
to preach.
S12 (31:30):
Dale Hurd, CBN news, London.
S1 (31:33):
Excellent reporting by Dale. Wow. You almost don't want to
say a thing for a minute or two. You just
want this to sneak in I'm not reading this in
the New Testament I'm not looking at Brother Paul. This
is a sister who came from Turkey. I found that
let me just linger here for a minute. I thought
to myself, wait a minute. Being strip searched, falsely charged, imprisoned, etc. wait,
that's what happens in Turkey. That's where Andrew Brunson ended
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up spending time in a prison until God, like a
New Testament story, opened the jail cell and released him.
This is in the UK and as Christian Concern pointed
out through their legal team in London, is legend. Legend.
I think either word works with their CCTV, so everything
is caught on camera, so they know exactly who these
people are that have harmed her. There's no excuse pursuing.
S10 (32:19):
Yeah, there's no excuse now. One person who attempted to
murder her is now spending 24 years in prison. So
it's real clear that the police authorities and the UK
government understand full well that she has been targeted, continuing
to be targeted, and all she is doing is speaking
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the truth. You know, everybody says, no, I want to
be able to speak my truth. Well, she's speaking God's truth,
the word of God's truth, and she's being persecuted and
the government is stepping back. The police are not protecting her.
And yet one attempted murderer is now serving more than
two decades in prison to prove that it is a
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genuine risk to this person's ability to continue with free speech. Now,
if you want to go back in history, I always
point this out. Why is it happening over there? But
not over here? Well, first of all, if we don't
watch out, it will come over here. And there are
shadows of that kind of an approach in UK appearing
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here and there in the United States. But one of
the big differences, the bulwark, the, the sea wall that
we have to keep from being flooded with this kind
of rampant, um, violation of personal liberty to speak the
truth religiously is because UK does not have a written constitution.
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And we do. And our Constitution is, I believe, providentially
provided to us through men who, when they met in
that constitutional convention, whether or not they were true believers
in Jesus Christ as the Son of God and Redeemer
of sin, they all had a belief in the common
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consensus of the Bible as the guiding light for this
new nation in terms of what kind of government, what
kind of freedom and what kind of society we wanted.
And the proof there is in the letters between John
Adams and Thomas Jefferson. Adams made it very, very clear
that that was the consensus at that time. So a
written constitution, by the grace of God. Then, to quote
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Ben Franklin, if we can keep our constitutional republic so
that the church can continue preaching, but God bless her.
You know, I heard her speaking and I thought of
the Apostle Paul, echoes of the apostle Peter when he's
arrested in the book of acts. And he says, look,
what you do with me is your business. I cannot
stay silent.
S1 (34:48):
Right. Right. And that's what she said. She said, the
gospel is so glorious. I cannot be silent. And I
have to tell you, this is just my thoughts. But,
brothers and sisters, I heard that. And it's like. Is
that our response? Do we believe that the gospel is
so glorious that we ourselves cannot keep silent? Maybe we're
not going to have a mob go after us at
Speakers Corner in Hyde Park in London. What about the
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guy looking funny at you in the carpool? Or the
guy in the office sneering at you because you've said something,
or you're uninvited to a neighborhood party because you're one
of those kind of people? If the gospel is glorious,
you cannot keep quiet. Then it just spills out.
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Count it all.
S1 (35:26):
Joy. Count it all.
S10 (35:27):
Joy. Look, trials will come. We're. In fact, the New
Testament makes it very clear. If you faithfully follow Christ,
there will be some form of persecution. Maybe light, maybe heavy,
may cost you your life, may just cost your job.
Or it may just be that dirty look that somebody
pays you, or some insult that somebody says to your face.
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But regardless, that's the question, isn't it, Janet? How? What?
Of what value is the gospel message to you? Is
it is it a high and holy privilege to share
it regardless of the consequences? Now, it doesn't mean that
we can't be winsome. And we should be. I don't
think we should be harsh. I don't think we should be, um,
you know, indicting, uh, other people. I think, on the
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other hand, we cannot afford to be silent. And if
there was ever an age, an epoch of delusional thinking
that needs the clarity of the gospel, it's today.
S1 (36:23):
I love what she said. And the Lord is the
giver of life. So when. When it's my time, he'll
take me home. Until then, he gives me breath so
we can continue to preach. What is it about Hatun
that makes her unable to keep the gospel message to herself?
Whatever she's got, I want. She doesn't care about the cost.
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She's far more concerned about the message of the gospel,
and that people will be eternally separated from God without
Jesus Christ. Oh, may her tribe increase back after this.
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So we just talked about Hatun. Tash, who is a
former Muslim, came to faith in Jesus Christ and now
uses the opportunity. And it's very unique, by the way,
to Great Britain. It's called Speaker's Corner. It's a it's
fascinating if you ever get there, uh, in Hyde Park
and people literally get on stepladders and they get on
boxes and they can talk about anything they want. And
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there are so many Christians who take advantage of that
particular area to share the gospel of Jesus Christ. Hatun
is one of them, and she gets all kinds of
Muslims who come because she starts with this question about
the difference between Jesus and Muhammad. So it's open air preaching,
and you've just heard the story of her being persecuted. Well,
as an interesting segue here, I want to have you
listen to another open air preacher. I'm not going to
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name the denomination. I'm not going to name where this
took place, because, again, this is about learning to recognize
the sound of wolves. And that's why on Friday we
give you wolf sounds so that you will say, aha,
that's the wolf, I recognize it. It's a crooked idea.
It's a vain and hollow philosophy predicated on this world
rather than on the Word of God. I am a
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good Berean. I'm going to test all things. I'm going
to hear what the Bible has to say, and use
it as the plumb line to measure the crooked ideas
that are out there. So this individual outdoor preaching, and
he gets up and he says this.
S17 (38:27):
Today, people still use Scripture to keep the strange ones
away from God, to make people less, to raise themselves
above another in a way that God just can't support.
People love to trot out all kinds of scriptures to
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clobber us over the head. Genesis one because God made
only a cisgendered man and woman. Genesis two because that
cisgendered man and woman are perfectly fitted as one flesh.
Genesis 19 Sodom and Gomorrah, which was never associated with
same gender sex until around the first century BCE. Leviticus
18 to 20, where men are told not to lay
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with one another. Women aren't given the same warning. So
I guess there's that Deuteronomy 22, which makes sure that
drag is a no no for men and women. Romans one,
which Paul actually writes to emphasize that in Christ there
is no condemnation first Corinthians six and first Timothy one
which are actually critical of exploitative sex rather than same sex.
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People point to these passages today to keep LGBT, LGBTQ,
plus people out of the church just as they did
to the eunuch with Deuteronomy 23 one. But just as
then God says, no, I'm bigger than that. I'm the
same liberating and restoring God that occurs in Isaiah 56.
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We are here today to claim our place in God's kingdom.
S1 (40:01):
So there's that. Um, first of all, all of those verses.
There's nothing new under the sun. Those are what are
often referred to as the clobber passages. I don't use
that phrase. The activists in the community use that phrase.
And in this book that we mentioned earlier, queer and Christian,
all of that stuff's brought up again. So there's there's
really nothing new in this new book by Brandon Robertson.
It's the same visitation over and over again. You heard
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him refer to Sodom and Gomorrah. We touched on that
lightly earlier before. So what is happening here is this
idea that in the final analysis, this man who is
apparently calls himself a preacher, uh, he must be reading
a different Bible, or he's taken Thomas Jefferson's approach where
he picks and chooses the parts he likes and disposes
the parts he doesn't like. But we this is, again,
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the problem with making a God of your own construction.
I'm bigger than that. Well, let me tell you how
big God is. God hates sin and you and I
are responsible for sin. How do I know that? Because
that book that he was sloppily referring to says in
the very beginning that the wages of sin is death.
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There is a sign hanging around every one of our
chests that says guilty as charged, and a price has
to be paid, and that price is death. And God
could have left us in that state, but he didn't.
He makes a way of escape, and through his precious word,
he tells us over and over and over again the
whole story of Abraham and Isaac is this flashing neon
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sign that tells you that God the Father is going
to sacrifice his own son, and that son will be
the ultimate sacrifice, not the ram caught in the thicket,
but in fact it will be the unblemished Lamb of God,
Christ Himself, who will pay the atonement for our sins.
So guilty as charged. And Jesus steps in as our
advocate and mediator and says, I will pay the price.
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God is bigger than that misinterpretation that you just heard. Craig.
Your thoughts?
S10 (41:52):
Well, first of all, where are we starting? Where is
he starting? Uh, because where you start your journey in
terms of how you approach God will probably determine your
ultimate destination. Um, and it's real clear when he says
that God, in effect, is saying, I'm bigger than the Bible,
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I'm bigger than what's said there. I'm bigger than the
message from Genesis to Revelation. No, it's not a matter
of God being bigger than it. It's God's Word because
he's a communicative God. He is not silent. He wants
to communicate to us, and has done so through 66
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books and through, uh, a parade of history in which
he has intervened, culminating in the Son of God being
brought down. God with us, literally walking the streets of
Israel and the byways and highways among us to pay
the price. So, uh, just take as an example one
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little snippet about the Sodom and Gomorrah issue. Jesus. And
Matthew ten, uh, basically authenticates the story in Genesis about
Sodom and Gomorrah because he uses it as a comparison
of evil. So what was the evil? If you go
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to your Scripture and you read what the sin was,
it wasn't the lack of hospitality. There's not even implicit, uh,
reference to lack of hospitality. It was what conduct was
being conducted in that city, in disobedience to God's clear
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command about what was perversion.
S1 (43:44):
And it was the story of what happens when you
do not live righteously. What this open air pastor didn't
talk about was God's righteousness. God's bigger than that. Wait
a minute. He is because he had his son paid
the price. And as a result of my.
S10 (44:00):
Sin, not just sexual sin. All sin.
S1 (44:02):
And as a result of that, I have the imputed
righteousness of Christ in my life. When I asked him
into my heart as Lord and Savior. When he talks
about these verses and he refers to them as the verse,
this goes back to a conversation we had also on
Wednesday with Ray comfort about why it is imperative that
you hold up that standard of righteousness in front of
someone who doesn't yet know the Lord as their Savior.
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You don't need a Savior if you don't recognize your sin.
And the most egregious part of what that man said
is not the issue of homosexuality and his grotesque misrepresentation
representation of Scripture. It's the failure to recognize that all
of us have sinned. In the words of Newton. All
I know are two things I am a great sinner
and he is a great Savior. That's the most important
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news you will hear ever. Have a great weekend friends.
We'll see you next time on In the Market with
Janet Parshall.
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