July 30, 2025 • 44 mins
Christians claim that Jesus is the Messiah, but how can we know if that is true? Jesus revealed the truth about himself through passages in the Torah, the Prophets, and the Writings, which together comprise the Tanakh (the Old Testament). Messianic Jewish author David Brickner will guide us through twelve prophecies from all three sections of the Tanakh to show why God promised a Messiah, how God planned to bless the whole world through the Jewish people, the location and strange circumstances of the Messiah's birth, and more. Join us for a fascinating conversation.
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Hi, friends. Welcome to In the Market with Janet Parshall.
Thank you for spending the hour with me. We're going
to talk about Jesus. That's the best conversation you can
have on any hour of any day, of any week,
of any month, of any year. And there's just something
about that name. But there's also some confusion about whether
or not Jesus sort of arrived in the New Testament.
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You know, Craig and I full disclosure, I know they're
still around because we visit them. When you go to
brick and mortar bookstores, makes a beeline to the religious
section of bookstores every single time. And it's because there's
a good attorney. He understands Lincoln's old adage about when
you're filing, when you're going to take a case to court.
You spend 20% of your time preparing your case, 80%
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of your time preparing your opponent's course. So he's reading
what the other side says on a regular basis. So
if you came to my house, you would see a
ton of books on Christianity and commentaries and theology books.
Schaffer Systematic Theology, the list goes on and on and on.
But you'd also see a huge section going those partials
must be heretics. And that's because this is really understanding
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how the world thinks. So you know better how to
contend for the faith. Well, one of the books out
there that you see on a regular basis is that
somehow Jesus discovered his messianic, his Messiah ship, I'll put
it that way, or his divinity in the New Testament.
In fact, a book out there bears the title, something
like When Jesus Became Christ. I mean, those are people
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who just don't understand the Word of God. And I
could go, oh, well, they're secularists. They don't know Jesus. Uh, wait,
we have Christians who think that we have Christians who
do not believe at all that in the beginning was
the word, and the word was God, and the word
was with God. So Jesus has got to be there.
So is he just kind of hinted at a little bit.
And then do we skip over and he doesn't really
come into our lives or into the story until the
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New Testament? Or does the Bible, the Tanakh, the Torah,
the Jewish Bible, does it point to a Jewish Jesus?
And that's what we're going to talk about this hour.
David Brickner is with us. I love to spend time
with David. I've been talking to him for not weeks,
not months, but years. In fact, I knew him when
he was the executive director of Jews for Jesus, and
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he took that position in 1996. Love, love, love that ministry.
Pray for them, support them. Just think they're doing a
tremendous work. And he was the first person, by the way,
to step in after the man who founded Jews for Jesus,
Moishe Rosen. But under his leadership, Jews for Jesus advanced
and internationally with missionaries now in 12 countries, the largest
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number being in of all places. Thank you, Lord Israel.
David comes from five generations of Jewish followers of Messiah Jesus.
He has a unique. He had a unique encounter with
God in college that prompted him to attend a Jews
for Jesus Bible study. He has a Bachelor of Arts
degree in Judaica from Northeastern Illinois University, in conjunction with
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Spertus College of Judaica. I'll get that right. He has
a masters of Art degree in sociology with an emphasis
on Jewish Studies from Fuller School of Mission and Theology.
He is now the executive chairman to the board of
Jews for Jesus. And he wrote a fabulous book called
Does the Jewish Bible Point to Jesus? 12 Key Prophecies
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That Unfold God's Plan. That is what we're going to
talk about this hour. Shalom my friend. I just am
so glad we're going to spend the hour together. Thank
you for being here.
S6 (05:38):
Well, thank you Janet. Shalom. It's always great to talk
with you and to talk about the things that we're
both excited about, namely Jesus and the Bible.
S1 (05:47):
Absolutely. So true. So I made that statement, and I
want to see if you think I'm off or on.
Why is it that so many people, and not just
people who don't know Jesus as their personal Savior, but
many who do think that somehow that Jesus is not
in the Old Testament? In fact, why don't we just
disconnect decouple with the Old Testament? Because really, all the
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good stuff that we need to know is in the
New Testament. If I read my Bible right, David, Jesus
is in every single book of the Bible in one way,
shape or form. Am I right or wrong?
S6 (06:21):
Absolutely. You cannot read the Jewish Bible without seeing the wonderful,
not just echoes, but reflections of the person of Jesus
who is fully fleshed out, if you will, in the
four Gospels, but who you can't really understand those four
Gospels without understanding the background. Some people have said, you know,
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Jesus is in the Old Testament concealed, but in the
New Testament revealed. That's not right. Jesus is in the
Old Testament revealed. And when we understand from the very
first pages of the Book of Genesis how all the
way through the thread of God's promise, the hope that
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is revealed in the scriptures, is ultimately fulfilled in the
New Testament. Boy, that just sends shivers down my spine
every time I think about the majesty of God's revelation
and how much he loved us, that he wanted us
to be able to see that this was not just
something that happened in the world, but that God had
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prepared from beforehand, from the very beginning of time, to
make his love for all people known through the one
who finally came, and fulfillment of all the hope, all
the promise of all the prophets, Yeshua Hamashiach Jesus the Messiah.
S1 (07:39):
Amen and Amen. Wow. So the the thrust of the
book is taking a look at key prophecies that really
talk about Jesus throughout the scriptures. Uh, talk to me.
And there are so many. And I'm so glad we
have an hour, because this is going to be what
my mom used to call a delicious conversation. Just the
fact that the birth of Jesus is prophesied to be
in Bethlehem. I mean, again, to the secularist, the skeptic
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and the cynic. Get a little closer to your radio
right now, because give us a sense, first of all,
of the spans of time, how long in the Old Testament,
how far back are we given an insight into where
the Messiah will be born, where we read the the
the fulfillment of that prophecy in the Gospels where Jesus
is born in Bethlehem?
S6 (08:21):
Exactly. There's like 1200 years, uh, span of time, 700
years for Micah. Uh, you know, but Micah was speaking
of the fulfillment of a promise that was made previously
when King David was alive. So we take the promise
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to King David. We trace it through the book of
of mica 700 years before. Jesus himself actually is born
in Bethlehem. And one of the amazing things that I
like to point out, especially when talking to a Jewish
person about this, is do you know anything about Israel today?
Do you think that a Jewish Messiah could be born
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in the Palestinian territories, which is where Bethlehem is today?
It must have already happened. And of course, we know
it did, because that's where Jesus was born.
S1 (09:15):
Wow. This will give you a hint of what this
conversation is going to be like. It's the kind that's
going to make you excited about your faith in Yeshua.
David Brickner is with us, Executive Chairman to the Board
of Jews for Jesus, also author of the book. Does
the Jewish Bible point to Jesus? 12 Key Prophecies That
Unfold God's Plan? Much more with David right after this.
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We're talking with David Brickner, who joins us today as
a man who served Jews for Jesus since 1996. He
was their executive director. Now he's the executive chairman of
the board of Jews for Jesus. And he's written a
wonderful book that says what the title says is, Does
the Jewish Bible point to Jesus? And in the book,
there are 12 key prophecies that unfold God's plan. And
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he lays it out beautifully, by the way. So, David,
let me go back to this idea. In fact, you
break the book down into three sections clues about the
Messiah from the Torah, and then section two, it's clues
about Messiah in the prophets, and then last clues about
Messiah in the writings. So these three, it's beautifully laid out,
by the way, and you make it easy for the
reader to understand and to just walk through this. But
talk to me. I'm going to linger a little bit
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first in the Messiah, in the Torah. So we talk
about the Torah, the first five books of the Bible.
And in this you talk about Jacob's deathbed Prophecy. Now,
if I were, we were playing Trivial Pursuit and I
were to say around my, you know, coffee table. Okay,
what was Jacob's deathbed prophecy? I'm not sure a lot
of people could answer that. You can. What was it?
And how does it tie to Jesus?
S6 (10:56):
You know, the amazing thing about these prophecies is that
they come as rays of light and hope in dark times.
And this was certainly that. Because if you'll remember, Jacob,
the patriarch, was about to die. The family was all
in Egypt, and the brothers were really worrying about when
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he died. If Joseph was going to take his long
awaited revenge on them for what they had done when
he was a child. And so there is this sense
of fear and, uh, you know, that's when the promise
is made and it is in this great patriarchal Blessing
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that Jacob lays his hands on the twin boys. Uh,
and they he reverses his hands and it creates a
controversy about what is really happening. Why is he blessing
one and not the other? Why is he blessing the
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younger rather than the older? Of course, that was what
happened with Jacob as well. And there's this sense in
which the story of Jacob's life is coming to fulfillment.
And then he calls out Judah in Genesis 49 and
verse ten, and he says, the scepter will not depart
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from Judah until Shiloh comes, and unto him will be
the obedience of the peoples. It sounds enigmatic. It sounds
un you know, an uncertain note for an uncertain time.
And yet there is no question that there is a
promise that the Messiah is coming not just from the
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seed of the woman, not just from the seed of Abraham,
not just from the seed of Jacob, but from the
seed of Judah. And Judah will be the tribe from
which the Messiah comes, and he will rule until. And
then comes this enigmatic phrase, Shiloh. And this has been
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a point of controversy. What does this word mean? Tribute.
Is it a place? But throughout history, theologians, including the
rabbis themselves, have identified this word Shiloh with the promise
of the Messiah unto the Messiah will be the obedience
of the peoples. And and we see the amazing thing
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that happens when Jesus himself is born, that the first
thing that the wise men from the East do, and
the shepherds do, when they come to him is they
pay tribute. They to the Messiah. That's the basis of
the word Shiloh. There's a tribute that's being paid in
recognition of the promise that Jacob made concerning the fact
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that the Messiah would come from the tribe of Judah.
And so Jesus comes in fulfillment of that amazing prophecy,
and we have the genealogies of both Matthew and Luke,
which scope out how exactly it is that Jesus comes
from the tribe of Judah on both sides of his family,
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both Matthew, who tells the story of Joseph's lineage, and Luke,
who tells the story of Mary's lineage both from the
tribe of Judah, both having this amazing story of tribute
being paid, both demonstrating that Jesus comes as Jacob predicted
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from the tribe of Judah.
S1 (14:39):
Wow. So Jews for Jesus is known for so many things,
not the least of which is wonderfully bold evangelism. So
when you talk to Jews who do not yet know
Yeshua as Messiah, how do they respond to Genesis 4910
with this until Shiloh comes? Because even if the rabbis
and you write about this in the book and you
just said it, now, even the rabbis interpret that as
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the one who will receive the scepter, and that makes
this person the Messiah. So it's a messianic reference no
matter what. So how do non-believing Jews respond to that passage?
S6 (15:11):
Well, for most of the time I've pointed to this passage.
It's been in the context of a whole study of
other passages. And to be honest with you, most Jewish
people have no understanding and have never even paid attention
to this prophecy. So it comes as an interesting piece
of a puzzle that we put together. And, you know,
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it's this book and this these 12 particular prophecies that
I have in the book have been a catalyst. And
I've been having so much fun with this, Janet, because
it's a catalyst for Jewish people who are inquiring, who
are trying to study, who are trying to encounter whether
or not Jesus really is in the Jewish Bible. And
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they can see it piece by piece. And so this
is an important puzzle because we know that Jesus is
called the lion of the tribe of fill in the blank.
S1 (16:05):
Yeah, that's exactly right.
S6 (16:06):
Well, Judah, but the lion of the tribe of Judah.
Jewish people don't understand. They haven't heard the teaching about this.
And so it's really fun to be able to point
back and forth from the New Testament to these Jewish
scriptures and back and forth and say, oh, you see,
this was what God promised all along, and you see
the light bulbs going on. It's so much fun. And
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Christians actually have been using this book I've been hearing from,
you know, in just nine months, there's thousands of lives
have been touched. And what's happening, it's so encouraging to
me is Christians are taking this book and saying, you know,
I have a Jewish friend and we've been reading each
chapter together once a week. And so they've got 12
weeks of Bible study that they're Jewish. Friend is agreeing
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to sit and read because it's as you know, it's
very accessible. They're not long chapters, and yet they point
so clearly to Jesus being the Jewish Messiah.
S1 (17:00):
Absolutely. I'm so excited to hear the response the book
is getting. David. Boy, the scepter will not depart from
Judah until Shiloh comes. Genesis 4910 Judah ties back to
earthly Joseph and Mary, and the scepter is handed to
the Messiah. There it is. Genesis 49. So the prophecies
begin in the very first book before we even continue. Amazing.
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The book is called Does the Jewish Bible point to Jesus?
Answer a resounding yes with 14 exclamation points. More with
David Brickner right after this. Street evangelist Ray comfort has
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the market with Janet Parshall. David Brickner is with us.
David has written the book. Does the Jewish Bible point
to Jesus 12 key prophecies that Unfold God's plan? And
as you just heard David say earlier, this book is
really resonating with our Jewish friends who don't yet know
Yeshua as Messiah. And it's certainly teaching us as believers
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that there he is. That thread that works its way
through every book in Scripture is Jesus himself. David was
the executive director of Jews for Jesus all the way
back to 1996. He currently is the executive Chairman to
the board of Jews for Jesus. So you write in
one point of the book that Jew Jewish friends who
don't yet know the Lord will sometimes say, You Christians
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have Jesus. We Jews have Moses the preeminent, the penultimate figure,
if you will, in Judaism. And yet you write in
the book as far back as the book of Deuteronomy,
Moses is telling us something about Jesus. This is amazing.
Share this passage with us.
S6 (19:07):
Yes, from Deuteronomy chapter 18, Moses gives a prophecy that
lets our people know, although most have yet to figure
it out that it didn't stop with him. Moses is
the great lawgiver. The law came through Moses, but grace
and truth were coming. They're coming. Moses was saying that
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they're coming in Deuteronomy 18. He says God is going
to raise up a prophet like me, and you'd better
to listen to him. And Jesus himself confronted that unbelief. Oh,
we've got Moses. We don't need anything else. He says,
if you believe Moses, what you'd believe me for, he
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wrote of me. And so when we look at that,
and I've had so many Jewish people come to say,
you know, you Christians have Jesus, we Jews have Moses.
And I always say, you know what? I have them both,
and so can you. And so Deuteronomy 1815 through 19
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it you shall listen to him. I will put my
words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them
all that I command. And whoever will not listen to
my words, that he shall speak in my name, I
myself will require it of him. So this is a
prophecy that comes of hope when Moses is towards the.
End of leading his people through the wilderness. And he says,
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guess what? I'm not the be all and end all.
I'm the one who's pointing to the one who will come.
And if you don't listen to him, God's going to
require it of you. God's going to hold you responsible.
So you better find out who this is, and you
better listen to them. And that's why when Jesus came,
they who heard him had to discern. Is this the
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one Moses was speaking of in John chapter six? They
were asking that question. And of course Jesus said, absolutely.
If you believe Moses, you believe me because he wrote
of me.
S1 (21:09):
Wow. So let me go to the beginning of that
verse again in verse 15 of Deuteronomy 18, where Moses
makes this declaration that you just pointed out, the Lord
your God will raise up for you a prophet like me,
from among you, from your brothers, it is to him
you shall listen. So a couple of things there. Number one,
it reminds us that we have a Jewish Messiah because
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it's from among you. Thank you, Lord, for the chosen people.
There it is again. In other states, salvation comes by
way of the Jews. But if I'm in rabbinical school,
if I'm in Saturday school and I'm studying the Torah,
and I read this verse, and Moses is making the
declaration that there's going to be a prophet like him
who's going to be somebody they need to listen to.
I stopped the average 18 year old Jewish kid on
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the street Saturday in the Bronx, after he's been to
school on Saturday. What's he going to tell me that
verse is about?
S6 (21:59):
He doesn't know. And that's the sad thing. Christians think
that Jewish people sit around and study these things, that
they know the prophecies and have decided that they're not true.
That's not the case. The majority of my people have
never heard the gospel. One of the things that we
love to do, whether we're meeting a one on one
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in a coffee shop or even out on the streets
of Jerusalem. We say, can we read something to you?
And you listen and tell us, is it Old Testament
or New Testament? Is the Jewish Bible, or is it
Jesus Gospels? And we read Isaiah 53, for example, and
we say, where is it from? And people will say
that from the New Testament. Well, why do you say that?
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Because it sounds like Jesus. Yes, it does sound like Jesus,
but look at where it comes from. A nice Jewish
boy named Isaiah wrote 700 years before Jesus ever came
about this one. And they're what the British say gobsmacked.
They're shocked. They don't know. So when you show this
to a Jewish person, it just begins to whittle away
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the barriers that religious institutions and instruction have raised up
in their hearts that it can't be true. He can't
be the Messiah and demonstrate that he not only can be,
But he is. And the evidence for it is our
own Bible.
S1 (23:24):
Yeah. Amen. So now let me move away from my
average Jewish friend and let me go to the modern
day rabbis. What would they say about that verse? They
do know that passage. So who do they think Moses
is referring to?
S6 (23:37):
Well, I think one of the most common interpretations would
be that the rabbinic stream is the fulfillment of that,
that there's not just necessarily one person. They wouldn't necessarily
say that it's it's messianic, but that the rabbinic traditions,
the rabbis, the teaching of the rabbis has taken what
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Moses wrote and what was handed down to Moses on
Mount Sinai that wasn't written down the Torah Sheba, that
is the oral law, and that they have been therefore
given the responsibility to be that one that Moses was
speaking of, that is going to interpret him to the
rest of the people of Israel. It's unfortunate, but it's
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that interpretation.
S1 (24:23):
Wow. The book is fascinating, and I'm just touching on
a tiny little bit. It is a rich, rich, rich book,
easily understood. Helps us understand, by the way, the continuity
and the appearance of Jesus, our Messiah from Genesis, all
the way to revelation. Does the Jewish Bible point to
Jesus question mark? Well, David Brickner gives you prophecies that
says yes, back after this. Going through life with the
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Janet Parshall. We're visiting with David Brickner, who is currently
the executive chairman to the board of Jews for Jesus.
He became their executive director in 1996, and Jews for
Jesus has just grown exponentially under David's leadership. And they
are in 12 countries with the largest number. Thank you
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Lord in Israel. How exciting! And boy do I love
the work that Jews for Jesus is doing in Israel.
So the book that he's written most recently is called
Does the Jewish Bible Point to Jesus question mark 12
Key Prophecies That Unfold God's Plan. So you I'm going
to move to the prophets because I think this is interesting.
And again, I keep asking because I'm doing the Abe
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Lincoln thing. I want to know, how do I talk
my Jewish friends, um, to say, look, this is how
the Bible is pointing to Yeshua all the way back
from Genesis. So we just talked about Genesis and Deuteronomy.
You referenced Isaiah 53. I refer to that as the
oil portrait of Jesus. You literally have to look away
not to see him in that passage, but in Isaiah seven.
This is where we read, therefore the Lord himself will
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give you a sign behold, the virgin shall conceive and
bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Now
I want to ask the same question the same way again.
But let me go to the rabbis. How would they
interpret that?
S6 (26:28):
Okay, so this is the most disputed and countered of
all the messianic prophecies by the rabbis. Interestingly enough, they
would say that this is not a prophecy about the
virgin birth, because the word in Isaiah 714, A virgin
will conceive and bear a son is not the literal
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Hebrew word for virgin. It's almah, which means technically a
young woman of marriageable age. And the rabbis argue, if
Isaiah really wanted to say virgin, he would have used
the Hebrew word betula. And that's the word for virgin
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in the Hebrew. Well, it's not only the word for
virgin in Hebrew, which it is, but it's also in
Joel one eight, for example, used to describe widows who
are mourning the death of their husbands, so it's not
exclusively virgin. However, in Isaiah's day, a young woman who
is not married but is of marriageable age was by
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definition I know not today, but by definition, in those
days a virgin. Not only that, but when the rabbis
of Alexandria the ones who interpreted rather translated the Hebrew
Bible into Greek, which was ultimately called the Septuagint when
they were translating 400 years before Jesus was born, and
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they got to this passage, the word they used for
virgin in the Greek was parthenos, which always and only
can mean virgin. And so throughout tradition and throughout history.
That's the understanding of Isaiah 714. And it's only in
a polemical sense, that is in a rejection of the
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gospel accounts of Jesus virgin birth, that the Jewish community
and the rabbis in particular, have been arguing this word
salad that tries to confuse the issue. But there's no
question that the people who understood the prophecy in its
original context knew that it was talking about a virgin birth.
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It's a sign that Isaiah says, God will give you
a sign. And that word in the Hebrew doesn't mean
like stop or go. It's a miracle. And a young
woman giving birth is not necessarily miraculous. And unless you
happen to be the mother or the father, it's always
a miracle when a baby is born. But this is
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something supernatural. This is something out of the bounds of
normative experience. This is the miracle of the virgin birth.
It's spoken of by Isaiah, confirmed by the rabbis, and
ultimately demonstrated when the gospel accounts tell us about what
happened with Mary and with Joseph and Matthew and Luke.
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And so we have every reason to have confidence, even
though it is the most disputed of all of the
messianic prophecies. And I love telling stories about it. When
you read this chapter in the book, it tells about
how I interacted with Larry King on CNN about this,
and he said it was, who can believe this? And
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what a wonderful experience I had in sharing this prophecy
with Larry King on Larry King Live.
S1 (29:51):
Wow. And I have to tell you, David, I love
the story. I knew and loved Larry and worked with
him on and off for a long time in Washington, D.C.
and I have to tell you, he just had such
a curiosity about Jesus. He would talk about Jesus all
the time, but it was something you encounter as Jews
for Jesus all the time. I don't know, because it's
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too much for me to believe. And I would have
to give up my Jewishness if I became a Christian,
and he would always end. And he ended the same
way with you and many of the conversations I had
with him. Well, who's to know, right? I mean, that
would be his response every time. Who's to know? But
I do have.
S6 (30:26):
But when he when he asked me about that, he said,
first of all, I, you know, if there was anybody
in human history that I would love to interview Jesus
of Nazareth. And the first question I would ask is,
were you born of a virgin? And I pointed out
this passage to him and I said, look, Larry, this
is why it's important for you to understand. And his
eyes got big, and he was silent for a moment,
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which was very uncharacteristic for Larry. He always had another question,
but it stopped him in his tracks. And I believe
that God gave Larry through that encounter, and many others
like yours and others, the opportunity to hear the gospel.
And that's what this book does, and that's what the
gospel does. It gives people an opportunity to believe what
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the prophets have been saying for thousands of years, and
to see the fulfillment of their words in the person
of Jesus of Nazareth.
S1 (31:18):
Well, and let me linger a little longer, because it's
exemplary in how we can use the book as well.
So when Larry is noodling around about this idea, if
it's preposterous, how would we ever really know? You quote
Jeremiah 29 to him, you will seek me and find me.
When you search me with all your heart, I will
be found by you, says the Lord. And Larry didn't
expect the response. So tell me what happened.
S6 (31:40):
He said, well, you know, uh, I mean, I'm trying
to remember exactly what his response was at that point.
He said he said, who can know? And I said, well,
you know, uh, Jeremiah says that God wants us to know, right?
S1 (31:55):
And he says, who wrote that?
S6 (31:57):
Yeah. And I said, a nice Jewish boy named Jeremiah.
So he was really confronted with his skepticism. And that's
really the problem. The evidence is there, Janet. If people
just take the time to read it. But the point is,
you got to search. You got to search with all
your heart. And then God opens your eyes to see.
And that's one of the things I love about Jesus
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is he. He taught these passages. He was the first
one to say. The Jewish Bible points to Jesus, beginning
with Moses and the prophets and the Psalms. He opened
their eyes that they might understand the scriptures. Luke 24.
And so that's what we need to pray for the
Jewish people, for ourselves and for all people, that the
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Holy Spirit of God would open their eyes to understand
the scriptures, because the evidence is overwhelming.
S1 (32:47):
Amen and amen. So interesting question. Just a sidebar, but
I think it's very germane to what we were just
talking about. So we often refer to the Jewish people
as the chosen people. And Jews know this as well.
One of my favorite, favorite, favorite plays of all time
is Fiddler on the roof. And so Tevye pulling along
his milk wagon on these constant conversations with God. And
he goes, I know we're the chosen people, but couldn't
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you have chosen someone else? And it's such a great line.
So if they're chosen people, what does that mean? In
their world? Chosen means for you and me as followers
of Yeshua, that God chose the Jewish people to bring
his salvation message to the world through Jesus Christ, to
the Jews first, and then the Gentile chosen for the
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plan of salvation. Pretty humbling when you think about it.
But if you don't believe that Yeshua is the Messiah,
why are you chosen and what were you chosen for?
S6 (33:37):
Exactly. And I think that that's been the enigma of
Jewish identity. Talk about struggle with knowing what that means.
That's been the issue throughout history. If, if, if we're
supposed to be a light to the nations, then why
is there such insularity among the religious Jews? And why
is there such ignorance among the secular Jews that they
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can't see the purpose for which God called them. That's
why Jesus came to fulfill, in a greater sense, what
Israel was supposed to do. He is Israel's greater son,
and through him we have become a light to all
the nations. But ultimately, right now, my people don't know
the Lord. Jewish people need Jesus just like everybody else
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in order to fulfill our destiny. Because apart from him,
we cannot be that light to the nations. And that's
been writ large in the experience of the Jewish people now,
especially with all the anti-Semitism. How is this? How is
this supposed to be what God intended for us? Well,
there's a longer story to that. And that's about the
cosmic conflict, the battle between Satan, the adversary, and his
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holy Messiah, Jesus, who has already won the victory through
his death, burial, and resurrection. So we just pray God
open their eyes, their minds to understand the scriptures because
it's so clear there, but they don't understand. They can't
fulfill their destiny unless they embrace the light of Messiah
in Jesus.
S1 (35:07):
Mm. You. You actually anticipated so beautifully my question, David,
which is I abhor this demonic rise in anti-Semitism. It
it parallels what we saw in the 1930s. And it
just all I can figure is that Aslan is on
the move, that we're seeing this. It's absolutely horrific for
our Jewish friends. But then I wonder at some level,
if you're called the chosen, chosen people and you see
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this rising, you know, it's not anti anti Saxons, anti Normans,
anti Celts, it's the anti the Semitic people, the Jewish people.
Do they? When you're sharing the good news of Yeshua,
is there ever an opportunity to say, is there a
reason why you think there's so much animosity and then
speak to this about being a bigger picture about spiritual warfare,
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that Satan hates the Jews because that's where salvation came by.
You hear the music, and I want to hear your
answer because I know it's going to be a good one.
But I bet this is. This is something that makes
me think if we were sharing the gospel with our
Jewish friends, would they see anti-Semitism as an affirmation of
the reality of their purpose and their plan, including not
limited to, but including to bring the Jewish Messiah into being?
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The book is called Does the Jewish Bible Point to
Jesus 12 Prophecies that Unfold God's plan? I'm not getting
anywhere near the 12. You're going to need to read
the book. It is absolutely fabulous. It's great for you
to do your own Bible study, to see Jesus all
the way from beginning to end. And you never decouple
the Old Testament from the New Testament back after this.
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Does the Jewish Bible point to Jesus? That's the book
that David Brickner has written, and in it he points
out the 12 key prophecies that unfold. Excuse me. God's plan.
He is currently the executive chairman to the board of
Jews for Jesus. He became their executive director in 1996.
So let me see if I can summarize in a
much more succinct way the question I was asking before,
because at the core of this is spiritual warfare, and
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I'm not sure that's a place I would start if
I were sharing the gospel with Jewish friends or not.
But it made me think when you were talking before,
if you could contextualize this demonic activity of the rise
of anti-Semitism against a particular people group, and you contextualize
it within the realm of spiritual warfare, why? Why this
group of people? Doesn't that tell you something? How would
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they respond? And are you hearing this? Or does this
happen when you're sharing the gospel?
S6 (37:36):
Oh, Janet, you put your finger on it. I mean,
at this point in human history, this is the question
that is gnawing at the edges of Jewish consciousness. Why?
Why do they hate us? And there's such a sense
of lostness about the understanding for that. And you can
go and tell Jewish people about Jesus right here, because
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you go to one of the key prophecies that I
talk about in the book. Genesis 12 verse three, I
will bless those who bless you and the one who
curses you I will curse, and in you all the
families of the earth will be blessed. God's intention was
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to bring a blessing to everyone. He loves people. Listening
to this program, Janet Parshall's in the marketplace today so
much that he called Abraham out of ur of the
chaldees and promised a great blessing that would be springing
up and bubbling over. But he also predicted this coming
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rage of satanically inspired antisemitism. And he said, I'm going
to curse. So Jewish people don't understand Antisemitism. It seems
such a perplexing historic anomaly, but God predicted it all
the way back in the Law of Moses.
S1 (39:02):
It breaks my heart. So, David, I ask you this
every time we get together because I think it's such
a pressing issue, contextualized from your teacher as a student
of the word who really understands the Bible. Why now?
If the clarion call was never again, it should be
never again. You know, you didn't go from nothing to
the ovens. It was put the word you'd on the store.
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Wear the yellow star, put them in a ghetto, get
them on the trains, get them to the camps. I mean,
it was incrementalism all moving in one very hellish direction.
We see some of those incremental moves right now, and
we sit back and we go. We call it freedom
of speech. How ridiculous can you get? Or your right
to assemble? So from your vantage point, as a lover
and a follower of Yeshua, why now are we seeing
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this uptick? It isn't. It's got to be more than
just a global reaction to October 7th, 2023.
S6 (39:52):
Absolutely. These are the birth pangs of the coming of
Messiah and the lead up to the announcement of the
Antichrist that these things would become more frequent and more intense.
These signs and anti-Semitism is certainly one of the signs
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of Satan at loose, wild in the world to try
to destroy. In his last desperate hour, the people through
whom God promised to bring the greatest blessing ever. God
staked his reputation on the perpetuity of the Jewish people.
And every time someone tries to kill a Jew, they
are you being used by Satan to try to make
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God a liar? And he won't let it happen. He
will curse those who curse the Jewish people and try
to destroy them. And he will bless those who bless
the Jewish people. And the greatest blessing my people can
ever receive is the knowledge of Messiah Jesus. So when
Christians share this loving, powerful, life transforming message, they are
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fulfilling the blessing God promised to Israel way back in
Genesis 12 and verse three.
S1 (41:03):
Wow. So as we're watching this and I'm completely agreement
with you, these are definitely birth pangs. How does how
do you react when you hear people talk about the
fact that, um, this is the problem of dispensationalism. And
when you talk about blessing those who bless them and
I'm going to I'm not going to name his name.
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I'm not going to give him any more free publicity.
But he challenges a member of the United States Senate
about where did that come from, that verse, bless those
who bless them. I mean, that's ridiculous. Are you saying
you bless the government of Israel? There are people in
the church capital C today who still think, no, no, no,
that's another time. We shouldn't be doing that right now.
And this, this nasty idea of replacement theology works way
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into this. Like a triple headed hydra. Why is that
so problematic right now? Especially.
S6 (41:51):
It's a lack of knowledge of the scripture that people,
two people you were referencing, which we won't name. They
need to know their Bible better. I mean, how can
you read the Bible and come away with that nonsense?
It's so clear the Jewish people were in disobedience to
God all the way through the Old Testament, and people
who try to argue that the fact that the Jewish people,
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you know, didn't believe in Jesus in the majority means
that therefore somebody else gets the job. You know, try
to argue that in a court of law. That's ridiculous.
God does not forsake his people. He loves them. He
is a faithful groom to his bride, and his bride
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is both the Jewish people and ultimately the church. But
they don't replace each other. They are one people of God,
with the cornerstone being Messiah, Jesus and the walls and
the gates being the 12 apostles and the 12 tribes.
That's a beautiful picture in the in the city of Jerusalem,
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of both Israel and the church. As that universally blessed
people for all eternity. And so whenever we see that
division of, well, they're not it all together. You don't
have to feel like a second class citizen if you're
not Jewish. You are part of this amazing people of
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God made up of Israel, the Jews and the church,
all of whom have a Jew living in their heart
by faith. Yeshua, Jesus the Messiah.
S1 (43:26):
Yeah. Amen. David, just a quick word. In an hour
that's gone far too quickly, and I'm so glad I
haven't even gone through the whole book. So we're going
to have to have another conversation soon. Because I just
love this book and I love the topic. But tell
me about the work that Jews for Jesus is doing
in Israel right now, because you just noted earlier that
this is the largest number now of missionaries growing in Israel.
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What's happening there?
S6 (43:49):
Well, we have over 70 full time workers in Israel,
which is the largest evangelistic outreach there. All of them
are Israeli Jews who love Jesus. Some of them are
having to serve in the military in Gaza even right now.
But we're they're proclaiming the gospel. We're helping people who've
been made homeless because of the 12 day war last month.
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And we're just seeing amazing openness to the gospel. If
you go to our YouTube channel, so be it. You're
going to see our Jews for Jesus missionaries sharing the
gospel right out on the streets because it's happening every
day in Israel. The great openness of the gospel to
the gospel.
S1 (44:26):
You'll get goosebumps when you watch that, by the way.
So New Testament, David, thank you for a wonderful conversation
and for reminding us that Jesus is there all the
way back to the Torah, the Tanakh, all the way
through to revelation. The book does. Jesus, does the Jewish
Bible point to Jesus? Get a copy on my website.
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Hi, friends. Welcome to In the Market with Janet Parshall.
Thank you for spending the hour with me. We're going
to talk about Jesus. That's the best conversation you can
have on any hour of any day, of any week,
of any month, of any year. And there's just something
about that name. But there's also some confusion about whether
or not Jesus sort of arrived in the New Testament.
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You know, Craig and I full disclosure, I know they're
still around because we visit them. When you go to
brick and mortar bookstores, makes a beeline to the religious
section of bookstores every single time. And it's because there's
a good attorney. He understands Lincoln's old adage about when
you're filing, when you're going to take a case to court.
You spend 20% of your time preparing your case, 80%
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of your time preparing your opponent's course. So he's reading
what the other side says on a regular basis. So
if you came to my house, you would see a
ton of books on Christianity and commentaries and theology books.
Schaffer Systematic Theology, the list goes on and on and on.
But you'd also see a huge section going those partials
must be heretics. And that's because this is really understanding
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how the world thinks. So you know better how to
contend for the faith. Well, one of the books out
there that you see on a regular basis is that
somehow Jesus discovered his messianic, his Messiah ship, I'll put
it that way, or his divinity in the New Testament.
In fact, a book out there bears the title, something
like When Jesus Became Christ. I mean, those are people
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who just don't understand the Word of God. And I
could go, oh, well, they're secularists. They don't know Jesus. Uh, wait,
we have Christians who think that we have Christians who
do not believe at all that in the beginning was
the word, and the word was God, and the word
was with God. So Jesus has got to be there.
So is he just kind of hinted at a little bit.
And then do we skip over and he doesn't really
come into our lives or into the story until the
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New Testament? Or does the Bible, the Tanakh, the Torah,
the Jewish Bible, does it point to a Jewish Jesus?
And that's what we're going to talk about this hour.
David Brickner is with us. I love to spend time
with David. I've been talking to him for not weeks,
not months, but years. In fact, I knew him when
he was the executive director of Jews for Jesus, and
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he took that position in 1996. Love, love, love that ministry.
Pray for them, support them. Just think they're doing a
tremendous work. And he was the first person, by the way,
to step in after the man who founded Jews for Jesus,
Moishe Rosen. But under his leadership, Jews for Jesus advanced
and internationally with missionaries now in 12 countries, the largest
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number being in of all places. Thank you, Lord Israel.
David comes from five generations of Jewish followers of Messiah Jesus.
He has a unique. He had a unique encounter with
God in college that prompted him to attend a Jews
for Jesus Bible study. He has a Bachelor of Arts
degree in Judaica from Northeastern Illinois University, in conjunction with
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Spertus College of Judaica. I'll get that right. He has
a masters of Art degree in sociology with an emphasis
on Jewish Studies from Fuller School of Mission and Theology.
He is now the executive chairman to the board of
Jews for Jesus. And he wrote a fabulous book called
Does the Jewish Bible Point to Jesus? 12 Key Prophecies
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That Unfold God's Plan. That is what we're going to
talk about this hour. Shalom my friend. I just am
so glad we're going to spend the hour together. Thank
you for being here.
S6 (05:38):
Well, thank you Janet. Shalom. It's always great to talk
with you and to talk about the things that we're
both excited about, namely Jesus and the Bible.
S1 (05:47):
Absolutely. So true. So I made that statement, and I
want to see if you think I'm off or on.
Why is it that so many people, and not just
people who don't know Jesus as their personal Savior, but
many who do think that somehow that Jesus is not
in the Old Testament? In fact, why don't we just
disconnect decouple with the Old Testament? Because really, all the
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good stuff that we need to know is in the
New Testament. If I read my Bible right, David, Jesus
is in every single book of the Bible in one way,
shape or form. Am I right or wrong?
S6 (06:21):
Absolutely. You cannot read the Jewish Bible without seeing the wonderful,
not just echoes, but reflections of the person of Jesus
who is fully fleshed out, if you will, in the
four Gospels, but who you can't really understand those four
Gospels without understanding the background. Some people have said, you know,
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Jesus is in the Old Testament concealed, but in the
New Testament revealed. That's not right. Jesus is in the
Old Testament revealed. And when we understand from the very
first pages of the Book of Genesis how all the
way through the thread of God's promise, the hope that
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is revealed in the scriptures, is ultimately fulfilled in the
New Testament. Boy, that just sends shivers down my spine
every time I think about the majesty of God's revelation
and how much he loved us, that he wanted us
to be able to see that this was not just
something that happened in the world, but that God had
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prepared from beforehand, from the very beginning of time, to
make his love for all people known through the one
who finally came, and fulfillment of all the hope, all
the promise of all the prophets, Yeshua Hamashiach Jesus the Messiah.
S1 (07:39):
Amen and Amen. Wow. So the the thrust of the
book is taking a look at key prophecies that really
talk about Jesus throughout the scriptures. Uh, talk to me.
And there are so many. And I'm so glad we
have an hour, because this is going to be what
my mom used to call a delicious conversation. Just the
fact that the birth of Jesus is prophesied to be
in Bethlehem. I mean, again, to the secularist, the skeptic
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and the cynic. Get a little closer to your radio
right now, because give us a sense, first of all,
of the spans of time, how long in the Old Testament,
how far back are we given an insight into where
the Messiah will be born, where we read the the
the fulfillment of that prophecy in the Gospels where Jesus
is born in Bethlehem?
S6 (08:21):
Exactly. There's like 1200 years, uh, span of time, 700
years for Micah. Uh, you know, but Micah was speaking
of the fulfillment of a promise that was made previously
when King David was alive. So we take the promise
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to King David. We trace it through the book of
of mica 700 years before. Jesus himself actually is born
in Bethlehem. And one of the amazing things that I
like to point out, especially when talking to a Jewish
person about this, is do you know anything about Israel today?
Do you think that a Jewish Messiah could be born
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in the Palestinian territories, which is where Bethlehem is today?
It must have already happened. And of course, we know
it did, because that's where Jesus was born.
S1 (09:15):
Wow. This will give you a hint of what this
conversation is going to be like. It's the kind that's
going to make you excited about your faith in Yeshua.
David Brickner is with us, Executive Chairman to the Board
of Jews for Jesus, also author of the book. Does
the Jewish Bible point to Jesus? 12 Key Prophecies That
Unfold God's Plan? Much more with David right after this.
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We're talking with David Brickner, who joins us today as
a man who served Jews for Jesus since 1996. He
was their executive director. Now he's the executive chairman of
the board of Jews for Jesus. And he's written a
wonderful book that says what the title says is, Does
the Jewish Bible point to Jesus? And in the book,
there are 12 key prophecies that unfold God's plan. And
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he lays it out beautifully, by the way. So, David,
let me go back to this idea. In fact, you
break the book down into three sections clues about the
Messiah from the Torah, and then section two, it's clues
about Messiah in the prophets, and then last clues about
Messiah in the writings. So these three, it's beautifully laid out,
by the way, and you make it easy for the
reader to understand and to just walk through this. But
talk to me. I'm going to linger a little bit
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first in the Messiah, in the Torah. So we talk
about the Torah, the first five books of the Bible.
And in this you talk about Jacob's deathbed Prophecy. Now,
if I were, we were playing Trivial Pursuit and I
were to say around my, you know, coffee table. Okay,
what was Jacob's deathbed prophecy? I'm not sure a lot
of people could answer that. You can. What was it?
And how does it tie to Jesus?
S6 (10:56):
You know, the amazing thing about these prophecies is that
they come as rays of light and hope in dark times.
And this was certainly that. Because if you'll remember, Jacob,
the patriarch, was about to die. The family was all
in Egypt, and the brothers were really worrying about when
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he died. If Joseph was going to take his long
awaited revenge on them for what they had done when
he was a child. And so there is this sense
of fear and, uh, you know, that's when the promise
is made and it is in this great patriarchal Blessing
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that Jacob lays his hands on the twin boys. Uh,
and they he reverses his hands and it creates a
controversy about what is really happening. Why is he blessing
one and not the other? Why is he blessing the
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younger rather than the older? Of course, that was what
happened with Jacob as well. And there's this sense in
which the story of Jacob's life is coming to fulfillment.
And then he calls out Judah in Genesis 49 and
verse ten, and he says, the scepter will not depart
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from Judah until Shiloh comes, and unto him will be
the obedience of the peoples. It sounds enigmatic. It sounds
un you know, an uncertain note for an uncertain time.
And yet there is no question that there is a
promise that the Messiah is coming not just from the
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seed of the woman, not just from the seed of Abraham,
not just from the seed of Jacob, but from the
seed of Judah. And Judah will be the tribe from
which the Messiah comes, and he will rule until. And
then comes this enigmatic phrase, Shiloh. And this has been
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a point of controversy. What does this word mean? Tribute.
Is it a place? But throughout history, theologians, including the
rabbis themselves, have identified this word Shiloh with the promise
of the Messiah unto the Messiah will be the obedience
of the peoples. And and we see the amazing thing
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that happens when Jesus himself is born, that the first
thing that the wise men from the East do, and
the shepherds do, when they come to him is they
pay tribute. They to the Messiah. That's the basis of
the word Shiloh. There's a tribute that's being paid in
recognition of the promise that Jacob made concerning the fact
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that the Messiah would come from the tribe of Judah.
And so Jesus comes in fulfillment of that amazing prophecy,
and we have the genealogies of both Matthew and Luke,
which scope out how exactly it is that Jesus comes
from the tribe of Judah on both sides of his family,
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both Matthew, who tells the story of Joseph's lineage, and Luke,
who tells the story of Mary's lineage both from the
tribe of Judah, both having this amazing story of tribute
being paid, both demonstrating that Jesus comes as Jacob predicted
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from the tribe of Judah.
S1 (14:39):
Wow. So Jews for Jesus is known for so many things,
not the least of which is wonderfully bold evangelism. So
when you talk to Jews who do not yet know
Yeshua as Messiah, how do they respond to Genesis 4910
with this until Shiloh comes? Because even if the rabbis
and you write about this in the book and you
just said it, now, even the rabbis interpret that as
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the one who will receive the scepter, and that makes
this person the Messiah. So it's a messianic reference no
matter what. So how do non-believing Jews respond to that passage?
S6 (15:11):
Well, for most of the time I've pointed to this passage.
It's been in the context of a whole study of
other passages. And to be honest with you, most Jewish
people have no understanding and have never even paid attention
to this prophecy. So it comes as an interesting piece
of a puzzle that we put together. And, you know,
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it's this book and this these 12 particular prophecies that
I have in the book have been a catalyst. And
I've been having so much fun with this, Janet, because
it's a catalyst for Jewish people who are inquiring, who
are trying to study, who are trying to encounter whether
or not Jesus really is in the Jewish Bible. And
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they can see it piece by piece. And so this
is an important puzzle because we know that Jesus is
called the lion of the tribe of fill in the blank.
S1 (16:05):
Yeah, that's exactly right.
S6 (16:06):
Well, Judah, but the lion of the tribe of Judah.
Jewish people don't understand. They haven't heard the teaching about this.
And so it's really fun to be able to point
back and forth from the New Testament to these Jewish
scriptures and back and forth and say, oh, you see,
this was what God promised all along, and you see
the light bulbs going on. It's so much fun. And
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Christians actually have been using this book I've been hearing from,
you know, in just nine months, there's thousands of lives
have been touched. And what's happening, it's so encouraging to
me is Christians are taking this book and saying, you know,
I have a Jewish friend and we've been reading each
chapter together once a week. And so they've got 12
weeks of Bible study that they're Jewish. Friend is agreeing
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to sit and read because it's as you know, it's
very accessible. They're not long chapters, and yet they point
so clearly to Jesus being the Jewish Messiah.
S1 (17:00):
Absolutely. I'm so excited to hear the response the book
is getting. David. Boy, the scepter will not depart from
Judah until Shiloh comes. Genesis 4910 Judah ties back to
earthly Joseph and Mary, and the scepter is handed to
the Messiah. There it is. Genesis 49. So the prophecies
begin in the very first book before we even continue. Amazing.
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David has written the book. Does the Jewish Bible point
to Jesus 12 key prophecies that Unfold God's plan? And
as you just heard David say earlier, this book is
really resonating with our Jewish friends who don't yet know
Yeshua as Messiah. And it's certainly teaching us as believers
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that there he is. That thread that works its way
through every book in Scripture is Jesus himself. David was
the executive director of Jews for Jesus all the way
back to 1996. He currently is the executive Chairman to
the board of Jews for Jesus. So you write in
one point of the book that Jew Jewish friends who
don't yet know the Lord will sometimes say, You Christians
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have Jesus. We Jews have Moses the preeminent, the penultimate figure,
if you will, in Judaism. And yet you write in
the book as far back as the book of Deuteronomy,
Moses is telling us something about Jesus. This is amazing.
Share this passage with us.
S6 (19:07):
Yes, from Deuteronomy chapter 18, Moses gives a prophecy that
lets our people know, although most have yet to figure
it out that it didn't stop with him. Moses is
the great lawgiver. The law came through Moses, but grace
and truth were coming. They're coming. Moses was saying that
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they're coming in Deuteronomy 18. He says God is going
to raise up a prophet like me, and you'd better
to listen to him. And Jesus himself confronted that unbelief. Oh,
we've got Moses. We don't need anything else. He says,
if you believe Moses, what you'd believe me for, he
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wrote of me. And so when we look at that,
and I've had so many Jewish people come to say,
you know, you Christians have Jesus, we Jews have Moses.
And I always say, you know what? I have them both,
and so can you. And so Deuteronomy 1815 through 19
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it you shall listen to him. I will put my
words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them
all that I command. And whoever will not listen to
my words, that he shall speak in my name, I
myself will require it of him. So this is a
prophecy that comes of hope when Moses is towards the.
End of leading his people through the wilderness. And he says,
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guess what? I'm not the be all and end all.
I'm the one who's pointing to the one who will come.
And if you don't listen to him, God's going to
require it of you. God's going to hold you responsible.
So you better find out who this is, and you
better listen to them. And that's why when Jesus came,
they who heard him had to discern. Is this the
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one Moses was speaking of in John chapter six? They
were asking that question. And of course Jesus said, absolutely.
If you believe Moses, you believe me because he wrote
of me.
S1 (21:09):
Wow. So let me go to the beginning of that
verse again in verse 15 of Deuteronomy 18, where Moses
makes this declaration that you just pointed out, the Lord
your God will raise up for you a prophet like me,
from among you, from your brothers, it is to him
you shall listen. So a couple of things there. Number one,
it reminds us that we have a Jewish Messiah because
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it's from among you. Thank you, Lord, for the chosen people.
There it is again. In other states, salvation comes by
way of the Jews. But if I'm in rabbinical school,
if I'm in Saturday school and I'm studying the Torah,
and I read this verse, and Moses is making the
declaration that there's going to be a prophet like him
who's going to be somebody they need to listen to.
I stopped the average 18 year old Jewish kid on
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the street Saturday in the Bronx, after he's been to
school on Saturday. What's he going to tell me that
verse is about?
S6 (21:59):
He doesn't know. And that's the sad thing. Christians think
that Jewish people sit around and study these things, that
they know the prophecies and have decided that they're not true.
That's not the case. The majority of my people have
never heard the gospel. One of the things that we
love to do, whether we're meeting a one on one
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in a coffee shop or even out on the streets
of Jerusalem. We say, can we read something to you?
And you listen and tell us, is it Old Testament
or New Testament? Is the Jewish Bible, or is it
Jesus Gospels? And we read Isaiah 53, for example, and
we say, where is it from? And people will say
that from the New Testament. Well, why do you say that?
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Because it sounds like Jesus. Yes, it does sound like Jesus,
but look at where it comes from. A nice Jewish
boy named Isaiah wrote 700 years before Jesus ever came
about this one. And they're what the British say gobsmacked.
They're shocked. They don't know. So when you show this
to a Jewish person, it just begins to whittle away
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the barriers that religious institutions and instruction have raised up
in their hearts that it can't be true. He can't
be the Messiah and demonstrate that he not only can be,
But he is. And the evidence for it is our
own Bible.
S1 (23:24):
Yeah. Amen. So now let me move away from my
average Jewish friend and let me go to the modern
day rabbis. What would they say about that verse? They
do know that passage. So who do they think Moses
is referring to?
S6 (23:37):
Well, I think one of the most common interpretations would
be that the rabbinic stream is the fulfillment of that,
that there's not just necessarily one person. They wouldn't necessarily
say that it's it's messianic, but that the rabbinic traditions,
the rabbis, the teaching of the rabbis has taken what
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Moses wrote and what was handed down to Moses on
Mount Sinai that wasn't written down the Torah Sheba, that
is the oral law, and that they have been therefore
given the responsibility to be that one that Moses was
speaking of, that is going to interpret him to the
rest of the people of Israel. It's unfortunate, but it's
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that interpretation.
S1 (24:23):
Wow. The book is fascinating, and I'm just touching on
a tiny little bit. It is a rich, rich, rich book,
easily understood. Helps us understand, by the way, the continuity
and the appearance of Jesus, our Messiah from Genesis, all
the way to revelation. Does the Jewish Bible point to
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Janet Parshall. We're visiting with David Brickner, who is currently
the executive chairman to the board of Jews for Jesus.
He became their executive director in 1996, and Jews for
Jesus has just grown exponentially under David's leadership. And they
are in 12 countries with the largest number. Thank you
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Lord in Israel. How exciting! And boy do I love
the work that Jews for Jesus is doing in Israel.
So the book that he's written most recently is called
Does the Jewish Bible Point to Jesus question mark 12
Key Prophecies That Unfold God's Plan. So you I'm going
to move to the prophets because I think this is interesting.
And again, I keep asking because I'm doing the Abe
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Lincoln thing. I want to know, how do I talk
my Jewish friends, um, to say, look, this is how
the Bible is pointing to Yeshua all the way back
from Genesis. So we just talked about Genesis and Deuteronomy.
You referenced Isaiah 53. I refer to that as the
oil portrait of Jesus. You literally have to look away
not to see him in that passage, but in Isaiah seven.
This is where we read, therefore the Lord himself will
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give you a sign behold, the virgin shall conceive and
bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Now
I want to ask the same question the same way again.
But let me go to the rabbis. How would they
interpret that?
S6 (26:28):
Okay, so this is the most disputed and countered of
all the messianic prophecies by the rabbis. Interestingly enough, they
would say that this is not a prophecy about the
virgin birth, because the word in Isaiah 714, A virgin
will conceive and bear a son is not the literal
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Hebrew word for virgin. It's almah, which means technically a
young woman of marriageable age. And the rabbis argue, if
Isaiah really wanted to say virgin, he would have used
the Hebrew word betula. And that's the word for virgin
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in the Hebrew. Well, it's not only the word for
virgin in Hebrew, which it is, but it's also in
Joel one eight, for example, used to describe widows who
are mourning the death of their husbands, so it's not
exclusively virgin. However, in Isaiah's day, a young woman who
is not married but is of marriageable age was by
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definition I know not today, but by definition, in those
days a virgin. Not only that, but when the rabbis
of Alexandria the ones who interpreted rather translated the Hebrew
Bible into Greek, which was ultimately called the Septuagint when
they were translating 400 years before Jesus was born, and
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they got to this passage, the word they used for
virgin in the Greek was parthenos, which always and only
can mean virgin. And so throughout tradition and throughout history.
That's the understanding of Isaiah 714. And it's only in
a polemical sense, that is in a rejection of the
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gospel accounts of Jesus virgin birth, that the Jewish community
and the rabbis in particular, have been arguing this word
salad that tries to confuse the issue. But there's no
question that the people who understood the prophecy in its
original context knew that it was talking about a virgin birth.
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It's a sign that Isaiah says, God will give you
a sign. And that word in the Hebrew doesn't mean
like stop or go. It's a miracle. And a young
woman giving birth is not necessarily miraculous. And unless you
happen to be the mother or the father, it's always
a miracle when a baby is born. But this is
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something supernatural. This is something out of the bounds of
normative experience. This is the miracle of the virgin birth.
It's spoken of by Isaiah, confirmed by the rabbis, and
ultimately demonstrated when the gospel accounts tell us about what
happened with Mary and with Joseph and Matthew and Luke.
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And so we have every reason to have confidence, even
though it is the most disputed of all of the
messianic prophecies. And I love telling stories about it. When
you read this chapter in the book, it tells about
how I interacted with Larry King on CNN about this,
and he said it was, who can believe this? And
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what a wonderful experience I had in sharing this prophecy
with Larry King on Larry King Live.
S1 (29:51):
Wow. And I have to tell you, David, I love
the story. I knew and loved Larry and worked with
him on and off for a long time in Washington, D.C.
and I have to tell you, he just had such
a curiosity about Jesus. He would talk about Jesus all
the time, but it was something you encounter as Jews
for Jesus all the time. I don't know, because it's
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too much for me to believe. And I would have
to give up my Jewishness if I became a Christian,
and he would always end. And he ended the same
way with you and many of the conversations I had
with him. Well, who's to know, right? I mean, that
would be his response every time. Who's to know? But
I do have.
S6 (30:26):
But when he when he asked me about that, he said,
first of all, I, you know, if there was anybody
in human history that I would love to interview Jesus
of Nazareth. And the first question I would ask is,
were you born of a virgin? And I pointed out
this passage to him and I said, look, Larry, this
is why it's important for you to understand. And his
eyes got big, and he was silent for a moment,
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which was very uncharacteristic for Larry. He always had another question,
but it stopped him in his tracks. And I believe
that God gave Larry through that encounter, and many others
like yours and others, the opportunity to hear the gospel.
And that's what this book does, and that's what the
gospel does. It gives people an opportunity to believe what
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the prophets have been saying for thousands of years, and
to see the fulfillment of their words in the person
of Jesus of Nazareth.
S1 (31:18):
Well, and let me linger a little longer, because it's
exemplary in how we can use the book as well.
So when Larry is noodling around about this idea, if
it's preposterous, how would we ever really know? You quote
Jeremiah 29 to him, you will seek me and find me.
When you search me with all your heart, I will
be found by you, says the Lord. And Larry didn't
expect the response. So tell me what happened.
S6 (31:40):
He said, well, you know, uh, I mean, I'm trying
to remember exactly what his response was at that point.
He said he said, who can know? And I said, well,
you know, uh, Jeremiah says that God wants us to know, right?
S1 (31:55):
And he says, who wrote that?
S6 (31:57):
Yeah. And I said, a nice Jewish boy named Jeremiah.
So he was really confronted with his skepticism. And that's
really the problem. The evidence is there, Janet. If people
just take the time to read it. But the point is,
you got to search. You got to search with all
your heart. And then God opens your eyes to see.
And that's one of the things I love about Jesus
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is he. He taught these passages. He was the first
one to say. The Jewish Bible points to Jesus, beginning
with Moses and the prophets and the Psalms. He opened
their eyes that they might understand the scriptures. Luke 24.
And so that's what we need to pray for the
Jewish people, for ourselves and for all people, that the
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Holy Spirit of God would open their eyes to understand
the scriptures, because the evidence is overwhelming.
S1 (32:47):
Amen and amen. So interesting question. Just a sidebar, but
I think it's very germane to what we were just
talking about. So we often refer to the Jewish people
as the chosen people. And Jews know this as well.
One of my favorite, favorite, favorite plays of all time
is Fiddler on the roof. And so Tevye pulling along
his milk wagon on these constant conversations with God. And
he goes, I know we're the chosen people, but couldn't
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you have chosen someone else? And it's such a great line.
So if they're chosen people, what does that mean? In
their world? Chosen means for you and me as followers
of Yeshua, that God chose the Jewish people to bring
his salvation message to the world through Jesus Christ, to
the Jews first, and then the Gentile chosen for the
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plan of salvation. Pretty humbling when you think about it.
But if you don't believe that Yeshua is the Messiah,
why are you chosen and what were you chosen for?
S6 (33:37):
Exactly. And I think that that's been the enigma of
Jewish identity. Talk about struggle with knowing what that means.
That's been the issue throughout history. If, if, if we're
supposed to be a light to the nations, then why
is there such insularity among the religious Jews? And why
is there such ignorance among the secular Jews that they
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can't see the purpose for which God called them. That's
why Jesus came to fulfill, in a greater sense, what
Israel was supposed to do. He is Israel's greater son,
and through him we have become a light to all
the nations. But ultimately, right now, my people don't know
the Lord. Jewish people need Jesus just like everybody else
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in order to fulfill our destiny. Because apart from him,
we cannot be that light to the nations. And that's
been writ large in the experience of the Jewish people now,
especially with all the anti-Semitism. How is this? How is
this supposed to be what God intended for us? Well,
there's a longer story to that. And that's about the
cosmic conflict, the battle between Satan, the adversary, and his
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holy Messiah, Jesus, who has already won the victory through
his death, burial, and resurrection. So we just pray God
open their eyes, their minds to understand the scriptures because
it's so clear there, but they don't understand. They can't
fulfill their destiny unless they embrace the light of Messiah
in Jesus.
S1 (35:07):
Mm. You. You actually anticipated so beautifully my question, David,
which is I abhor this demonic rise in anti-Semitism. It
it parallels what we saw in the 1930s. And it
just all I can figure is that Aslan is on
the move, that we're seeing this. It's absolutely horrific for
our Jewish friends. But then I wonder at some level,
if you're called the chosen, chosen people and you see
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this rising, you know, it's not anti anti Saxons, anti Normans,
anti Celts, it's the anti the Semitic people, the Jewish people.
Do they? When you're sharing the good news of Yeshua,
is there ever an opportunity to say, is there a
reason why you think there's so much animosity and then
speak to this about being a bigger picture about spiritual warfare,
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that Satan hates the Jews because that's where salvation came by.
You hear the music, and I want to hear your
answer because I know it's going to be a good one.
But I bet this is. This is something that makes
me think if we were sharing the gospel with our
Jewish friends, would they see anti-Semitism as an affirmation of
the reality of their purpose and their plan, including not
limited to, but including to bring the Jewish Messiah into being?
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The book is called Does the Jewish Bible Point to
Jesus 12 Prophecies that Unfold God's plan? I'm not getting
anywhere near the 12. You're going to need to read
the book. It is absolutely fabulous. It's great for you
to do your own Bible study, to see Jesus all
the way from beginning to end. And you never decouple
the Old Testament from the New Testament back after this.
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Does the Jewish Bible point to Jesus? That's the book
that David Brickner has written, and in it he points
out the 12 key prophecies that unfold. Excuse me. God's plan.
He is currently the executive chairman to the board of
Jews for Jesus. He became their executive director in 1996.
So let me see if I can summarize in a
much more succinct way the question I was asking before,
because at the core of this is spiritual warfare, and
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I'm not sure that's a place I would start if
I were sharing the gospel with Jewish friends or not.
But it made me think when you were talking before,
if you could contextualize this demonic activity of the rise
of anti-Semitism against a particular people group, and you contextualize
it within the realm of spiritual warfare, why? Why this
group of people? Doesn't that tell you something? How would
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they respond? And are you hearing this? Or does this
happen when you're sharing the gospel?
S6 (37:36):
Oh, Janet, you put your finger on it. I mean,
at this point in human history, this is the question
that is gnawing at the edges of Jewish consciousness. Why?
Why do they hate us? And there's such a sense
of lostness about the understanding for that. And you can
go and tell Jewish people about Jesus right here, because
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you go to one of the key prophecies that I
talk about in the book. Genesis 12 verse three, I
will bless those who bless you and the one who
curses you I will curse, and in you all the
families of the earth will be blessed. God's intention was
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to bring a blessing to everyone. He loves people. Listening
to this program, Janet Parshall's in the marketplace today so
much that he called Abraham out of ur of the
chaldees and promised a great blessing that would be springing
up and bubbling over. But he also predicted this coming
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rage of satanically inspired antisemitism. And he said, I'm going
to curse. So Jewish people don't understand Antisemitism. It seems
such a perplexing historic anomaly, but God predicted it all
the way back in the Law of Moses.
S1 (39:02):
It breaks my heart. So, David, I ask you this
every time we get together because I think it's such
a pressing issue, contextualized from your teacher as a student
of the word who really understands the Bible. Why now?
If the clarion call was never again, it should be
never again. You know, you didn't go from nothing to
the ovens. It was put the word you'd on the store.
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Wear the yellow star, put them in a ghetto, get
them on the trains, get them to the camps. I mean,
it was incrementalism all moving in one very hellish direction.
We see some of those incremental moves right now, and
we sit back and we go. We call it freedom
of speech. How ridiculous can you get? Or your right
to assemble? So from your vantage point, as a lover
and a follower of Yeshua, why now are we seeing
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this uptick? It isn't. It's got to be more than
just a global reaction to October 7th, 2023.
S6 (39:52):
Absolutely. These are the birth pangs of the coming of
Messiah and the lead up to the announcement of the
Antichrist that these things would become more frequent and more intense.
These signs and anti-Semitism is certainly one of the signs
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of Satan at loose, wild in the world to try
to destroy. In his last desperate hour, the people through
whom God promised to bring the greatest blessing ever. God
staked his reputation on the perpetuity of the Jewish people.
And every time someone tries to kill a Jew, they
are you being used by Satan to try to make
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God a liar? And he won't let it happen. He
will curse those who curse the Jewish people and try
to destroy them. And he will bless those who bless
the Jewish people. And the greatest blessing my people can
ever receive is the knowledge of Messiah Jesus. So when
Christians share this loving, powerful, life transforming message, they are
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fulfilling the blessing God promised to Israel way back in
Genesis 12 and verse three.
S1 (41:03):
Wow. So as we're watching this and I'm completely agreement
with you, these are definitely birth pangs. How does how
do you react when you hear people talk about the
fact that, um, this is the problem of dispensationalism. And
when you talk about blessing those who bless them and
I'm going to I'm not going to name his name.
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I'm not going to give him any more free publicity.
But he challenges a member of the United States Senate
about where did that come from, that verse, bless those
who bless them. I mean, that's ridiculous. Are you saying
you bless the government of Israel? There are people in
the church capital C today who still think, no, no, no,
that's another time. We shouldn't be doing that right now.
And this, this nasty idea of replacement theology works way
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into this. Like a triple headed hydra. Why is that
so problematic right now? Especially.
S6 (41:51):
It's a lack of knowledge of the scripture that people,
two people you were referencing, which we won't name. They
need to know their Bible better. I mean, how can
you read the Bible and come away with that nonsense?
It's so clear the Jewish people were in disobedience to
God all the way through the Old Testament, and people
who try to argue that the fact that the Jewish people,
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you know, didn't believe in Jesus in the majority means
that therefore somebody else gets the job. You know, try
to argue that in a court of law. That's ridiculous.
God does not forsake his people. He loves them. He
is a faithful groom to his bride, and his bride
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is both the Jewish people and ultimately the church. But
they don't replace each other. They are one people of God,
with the cornerstone being Messiah, Jesus and the walls and
the gates being the 12 apostles and the 12 tribes.
That's a beautiful picture in the in the city of Jerusalem,
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of both Israel and the church. As that universally blessed
people for all eternity. And so whenever we see that
division of, well, they're not it all together. You don't
have to feel like a second class citizen if you're
not Jewish. You are part of this amazing people of
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God made up of Israel, the Jews and the church,
all of whom have a Jew living in their heart
by faith. Yeshua, Jesus the Messiah.
S1 (43:26):
Yeah. Amen. David, just a quick word. In an hour
that's gone far too quickly, and I'm so glad I
haven't even gone through the whole book. So we're going
to have to have another conversation soon. Because I just
love this book and I love the topic. But tell
me about the work that Jews for Jesus is doing
in Israel right now, because you just noted earlier that
this is the largest number now of missionaries growing in Israel.
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What's happening there?
S6 (43:49):
Well, we have over 70 full time workers in Israel,
which is the largest evangelistic outreach there. All of them
are Israeli Jews who love Jesus. Some of them are
having to serve in the military in Gaza even right now.
But we're they're proclaiming the gospel. We're helping people who've
been made homeless because of the 12 day war last month.
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And we're just seeing amazing openness to the gospel. If
you go to our YouTube channel, so be it. You're
going to see our Jews for Jesus missionaries sharing the
gospel right out on the streets because it's happening every
day in Israel. The great openness of the gospel to
the gospel.
S1 (44:26):
You'll get goosebumps when you watch that, by the way.
So New Testament, David, thank you for a wonderful conversation
and for reminding us that Jesus is there all the
way back to the Torah, the Tanakh, all the way
through to revelation. The book does. Jesus, does the Jewish
Bible point to Jesus? Get a copy on my website.
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