April 29, 2025 • 44 mins
Want to make a positive, lasting impact? You can, and it’s even easier than you think. Dr Kevin Leman and his daughter, Kristin Leman O’Reilly, will prepare, inspire, and energize you for classroom and life success. In just five days, you’ll learn why students do what they do and how to uniquely motivate them. Join us to discover how to refine education basics, explore best-result strategies, craft an intentional culture to match your goals, and much, much more. With the "Leman Way" discipline and secrets to home partnership, you’ll start and finish the year strong.
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Hi, friends. Welcome to In the Market with Janet Parshall.
So glad we're going to spend the hour together. And
if I tell you that Doctor Kevin Leman is one
of our guests. You just got a little closer to
your radio, didn't you? This is the man who's been
teaching us. We can have everything better by Friday. How
do I know? Because I've read his books and I've
talked to him about it. And I don't know what
it is about Fridays, but Fridays, apparently, it all works out.
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Better sex life, better marriage, better kid. I mean, the
list goes on and on and on. And now we're
going to talk about how you can be a great
teacher by Friday. Oh, but here's where it gets interesting.
It isn't just going to be the world renowned international psychologist,
Doctor Kevin Leman, the man behind the birth order. But
we're going to talk to one of the people that
God placed in his life. Yes. And we're going to
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find out where she is. In the birth order of
the Leman household. Kristin Leman O'Reilly is going to join
us because she's the co-author of the brand new book,
Be a Great Teacher by Friday. And it makes perfect
sense because she oversees curriculum and the Leman educational philosophy
at the Leman Academy of Excellence. I talked to Doctor
Leman before these were even in existence. Yep. And they're
out now making a big impact. That is, by the way,
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if you're interested in Leman Academy of Excellence and I
hope you are. It is a public classic charter school
with nine now nine campuses throughout Arizona and Colorado. Kristen,
you should know, began her educational journey nearly three decades
ago and has taught both in private and charter schools,
including various leadership roles as curriculum coordinator, professional development administrator,
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and vice principal. She's passionate about mentoring teachers and training
them to be lifelong learners to inspire the next generation
of learners. Kristen annually trains nearly 400 teachers and supports
them throughout the year with ongoing professional development workshops. She
and her husband Denis and children reside in Arizona, so
that's part of the legacy, the Leman legacy. Now, these
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are part of the grandbabies, a part of that family,
and of course, Doctor Kevin Leman, the man who gave
us the birth order, all of which now are re-examining
the way we think and act based on where God
brought us into our family. He has been all over
the media. He's been all over the world. New York
Times best selling author over 70 titles to his name.
And what can I say? He's just an all around
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fabulous guy. Unbelievably humble, unbelievably witty and just full of wisdom.
Just overflows. So welcome, both of you. Lehman's and Lehman O'Reilly.
Be a great teacher by Friday. Doctor Lehman, I got
to start with you. So what is it about Fridays?
How come everything happens on Fridays?
S7 (04:15):
You know, it's it's payday for so many people. You know,
I don't know. I have to admit, Janet, I got
hung up on Friday, I really did. You know, the
have a New Kid by Friday is a New York
Times best seller. And as you know, in this business,
it's hard to get those numbers to, to to sell
and become a New York Times best seller. I have
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to tell you, I'm not a not in love with
the New York Times in any way, shape or form,
but nevertheless, uh, yeah, I.
S1 (04:46):
They like your books. I'll tell you what. Yeah, yeah. Well,
and really and in all truth, what we're saying is
that there's a way to be able to do this.
These are achievable goals. And so you set that standard
by saying Friday. And it's a brilliant marketing idea, but
it's also a wonderful way to help people conceptualize that
you bring these ideas forward for real excellence in our lives.
And it's doable. You don't write to frustrate you. Write
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to get us on the right path, to do the
right thing. But I got it, and I can't wait
to get into the book. But, Christian, I would be
so remiss. Okay, where are you in the Lehman family
in terms of birth order?
S8 (05:19):
Well, I'm the second daughter, and I often like to
say I'm my dad's favorite. And when my other siblings
especially are not present, I can get away with that.
Otherwise I get looked at funny. But yes, I have
an older sister, Holly. And then I came next. And
then I have three younger siblings underneath me.
S1 (05:38):
Wow. Okay, so Doctor Lehman, what does that say about
your second born daughter? Does that make her a middle child?
S7 (05:45):
Well, she's she is in the middle. We had people
most people know our story. We had our three children. And, uh,
You know, my wife always says we make plans and
God laughs. And then we had a little surprise when
my wife was 42. And that's little Hannah. She lives
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in Evanston, Illinois. And then we had the shocker at 48.
Little Lauren. So our family is sort of a good
study in birth order. But yeah, Chrissy is a middle.
She's very, very good with people, and she's the consummate teacher.
She she gets it. I told her that you were
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a former teacher, and she said, well, she'll understand this
book really well. And I said, yes, she will. And so, Chrissy, um,
is just about 18 months behind her oldest, our oldest daughter, Holly,
who I have called publicly Judge Judy from time to time. Um,
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she could run several people's lives at the same time.
And yet Chrissy has those middle child qualities. Negotiation. Compromise
gets along with people. But if you want a job
done right, Chrissy is the one to have do it
because she's very detailed and a lot of middle children
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don't have the detailed capability that she has. But yeah,
she says she's the favorite daughter. When the kids get
my phone, lots of times they they put their name
down under my favorite daughter.
S9 (07:25):
So we still have fun.
S7 (07:26):
In the Lehman family. That's not a surprise to you, Janet.
S1 (07:29):
Not at all. Not at all. Okay, so here's the
other question. And Kristen, I want to ask you this. Obviously,
I'm a little partial on the topic because of my
background in education, but I don't want people to go
boring doesn't have anything to do with my life. When
you think about it, though, teaching doesn't necessarily have to be.
Although a lot of what we're going to talk about
applies in the classroom. But parents teach, youth leaders teach,
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pastors teach, bosses teach. So is what we're going to
talk about today applicable in a broader aspect than people
who are just the ones who show up in the classroom?
S8 (08:00):
Absolutely, Janet, and I'm really glad you asked that question,
because the whole basis, the cornerstone of our entire book,
is built in relationships, and whether that applies to the
relationship that the teacher has with her students or his students,
the relationship between the teacher and their admin, the teacher
in the family. And that can really extend to also
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grandparents or other guardians that are helping to be a
caretaker for the student. But really, because everything is grounded
in relationships, it's very applicable to no matter what kind
of role you find yourself in today, if you have
that relationship piece, then you have the key to be
a great teacher by Friday.
S1 (08:43):
Thank you Kristen, so much for not only answering it,
but the way in which you answered it. So come
on back in the room, friends. Okay, you don't have
to have your degree in education to think this is
applicable to you. This is about relationships, as Christian just said.
And by the way, you should understand that Doctor Lehman
specializes in relationships. So between this father daughter combination, it's
going to be a great conversation. And it's an even
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the market with Janet Parshall. Well in all transparency. This
is such a treat for me. I just love Doctor
Kevin Leman and to be able to get to know
his daughter Kristen is an extra special treat for me.
Together they co-wrote the book Be a Great Teacher by Friday.
Five winning plays to spark world changing potential. So I
want to start with some of the challenges outside the
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classroom before we go into the classroom. And I want
to go to you if I can. Kristen, because I
remember talking to your dad before the Lehman Academy for
excellence was even formed, before these charter school even started,
it was just a germ of an idea. And now
nine campuses. Thanks be to God. I cannot believe that.
But it really tells you the hunger in the human
heart for moms and dads to put their child in
the very best academic environment they can. In fact, I
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find it interesting you've even got a case before the
Supreme Court this year in 2025, where they take a
look at whether or not you can have a religious
charter school. So parents are hungry for choice. And certainly
the Lea has stepped in and met that kind of
a need. So talk to me about the challenges. Is
it hard? In other words, there has to be some
kind of if you don't have choice, if you don't
have the kind of equal funding in a state so
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that your tax dollar is given as a voucher, for example,
to the child rather than to the school. So you
don't have any church state entanglement issues, or if you
want to step out of the public government schools and
you want to step into a charter school instead because
you like the classics, you want excellence, you want a
higher standard. Why do you think you've grown to nine campuses?
What does it say about parents and what they're looking
for for their children?
S7 (11:16):
Well, parents want teachers, schools who have high expectations for
their scholars, for their students. They want a place where
teachers yes is yes. And the teachers no is no.
There's something wonderful about structure, and kids will live up
to the expectations you give them. It's as simple as that.
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And you take a look at what's happened in public schools.
I mean, I know a school where they took 908th
graders who had failed, and they thought they did them
a great service by promoting them to the freshman year
into the local high school. That's a disservice.
S9 (11:57):
Yes, yes.
S7 (11:58):
And so at Lehman Academy, we always say, don't accept excuses.
That makes the weak. What? Weaker. I mean, I always
love to show off the school where people will come.
In fact, the treasurer of the state of Arizona has
read some of my books, and she had a meeting in,
in Tucson, and she asked if there's a way she
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could come and see our school. And I said, hey, yes, absolutely.
And I'll be your personal guide. And she showed up
with her small entourage, and we walked through the school,
and she just looked at me and said, wow. And
she sees the the little ankle biters. Janet, you'll get
a kick out of this when they go from their
homeroom down to P.E. or music or art. And by
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the way, as a charter school, we have music and
art and P.E. and a lot of the things that
the public schools have done away with. Uh, but it's
just fun watching the kids walk down the hallway. They're
not pushing and shoving each other. They look like little
penguins at the South Pole. Uh, you know, single file.
And then you have the little two girls that are
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best friends forever holding hands. I mean, it's ideal in
so many ways, but kids want to please adults. Parents
need to understand that in a home. Hey, parents, your
kids really do want to please you. Set up opportunities
for them to please you. And the same thing goes
in school. And Chris can speak to, uh, forever on
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this subject. Uh, go ahead. Chris.
S8 (13:30):
Well, I was just going to add to Janet that
when we originally wrote the charter for Lehman Academy and
opened the doors, we were very purposeful in saying we
do not want to just replicate the school down the street.
We have to be set apart. There has to be
something different about entering this arena, because the truth is,
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there's plenty of schools around each one of our academies.
And so why would a parent choose Lehman Academy over
the neighborhood school or even a religious school? And it's because, um,
everything is based on that relationship. So we tell our
principals and vice principals that you're to be on the
curb in the morning and you open that car door.
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It's really customer service based. And by doing that, you
get to know not only and, and welcome the child
to school, but you get that relationship with the parent
and the younger siblings. In the back seat. You get
to meet the dog. I had a best friend that
was a bearded lizard that I would meet every morning
when I stood on the curb, and then we do
the same thing in the afternoon. You know, we literally
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escort those children back to their families. And I can
tell you, and I know with your educational background, it's
a great and tremendous responsibility to have another family We
entrust you with their most prized possession. Amen. And we
took that job very seriously. And we do. And it's
our job to shepherd those little sheep while they're in
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our care. And then return them to their parents, just
like they dropped them off to us.
S1 (15:02):
O Lord, may your tribe increase. That really takes me
to point number one. In the book, you write about
five winning strategies. And this really is a perfect segue
into number one, which is it isn't just good customer service.
And boy, do I believe that Lehman Academy delivers that
over and over again. But it also has to be
about the product you deliver. And that's why the first
strategy is establish a rock solid foundation. Kristen, I have
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to tell you, I remember when we moved from cognitive
to affective education that Johnny couldn't learn because Johnny didn't
feel good, so he didn't care if Johnny couldn't spell
as long as he felt good. When he wrote his paragraph,
he couldn't fill out a resume. He couldn't do a
job application. But he felt good because we didn't crush
his self-esteem, because he was in the affective rather than
the cognitive domain. The same thing about math. This was
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the idea that we don't want to push them into
saying that two plus two equals four. Let them let
them figure out an outcome that makes him feel good.
And that opened the door to death. Education, Earth education,
which opened the door and the grave to die. Woke education, transgenderism.
And it was a spiral downhill. The abandonment of the
initial purpose of education has been willingly and wantonly ignored
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in this country. That's why your academy is such a standout.
If you were, and I suppose it's a subject of question,
but I'd still, as teacher, love to get your take
on this. Don't you think that if we could do
a survey of parents, the overwhelming majority of parents would
say reading, writing and arithmetic? The basic skills to succeed
in life is what I want.
S8 (16:27):
Absolutely. And I think alongside that is that development of character.
So we always say, and I teach teachers that, you know,
if your students leave your classroom and they have straight A's,
but they do not have character and they don't know
how to treat someone else, and they don't know how
to hold the door for their friend behind them than
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we failed. Because really, this is the classroom is the
place where they're going to fail sometimes and succeed, and
they're going to learn how to do life in a
great community. That should be very supportive. And absolutely, the
academics have to be first, but also that character.
S1 (17:05):
Amen. Oh, you know, it's going to happen, don't you,
that we're talking to people all across the country and
they're going to go, no, why is there not a
Leman Academy of Excellence in my state? 248 to go,
but right now you are definitely in Arizona and Colorado.
But again, we're talking about teachers everywhere with a brand
new book by Kevin and Kristen Colby, a great teacher.
By Friday we just touched on one of the winning plays.
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More to come. We're talking with Doctor Kevin Leman and
Kristin Lehman O'Reilly, Kevin's daughter. Together, they've authored a brand
new book called Be a Great Teacher by Friday, and
in the book, they offer five winning plays to spark
world changing potential. Such an important conversation and encouraging conversations
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for parents who feel very dissatisfied and heartbroken and oftentimes threatened.
By the way, depending on what state you live in
about the parent child relationship to education. So, Kevin, I
want to go back to you something that Kristen said.
By the way, I should put out that one of
Kristen's undergrad degrees was in psychology, probably because you watched
her dad, but boy, does that make you an even
better teacher. So I think that's brilliant. But Kevin, some
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might say, wait, if you're doing character development, how does
that complement or does it conflict with academic rigor? So
if you want academic excellence, does building character get in
the way or does it complement the building up of
a student.
S7 (18:23):
Or complements it all the way down the line? We
always have virtues that are featured in. Chris, I'm going
to defer to you for a second on this. The
virtues that we have, are they monthly virtues?
S8 (18:35):
Yes. So we choose two a month like integrity and
loyalty are for April and then district wide. We're Were
really trying to show examples and also non-examples of what
those virtues mean in in the classroom, on the playground,
in the cafeteria at dismissal. Yeah. So two values and
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virtues a month that we concentrate on.
S1 (18:58):
Wow. Just as a side note, forgive me, Kevin, you
were going to say something. Please go first.
S7 (19:01):
So it's part and parcel. Of course. You know, parents today,
they're so sick of what we've been told. Uh, parents
are coming together now. They're heard, like, for Pete's sake.
And they're demanding that they have a say in education.
And we welcome parents and we welcome grandparents. Uh, we
I think this figure is correct. We opened up a
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grandparent day at our school, at our first school, and
I think we had 1200 people show up. We we
quite frankly, we didn't know what to do with them.
Who are you people?
S9 (19:36):
Where'd you all come from?
S7 (19:38):
But, uh, you know, it's just it's really joyful as
an educator, and I taught at the University of Arizona
for 11 years. More than that, actually 14 years, part
of it as a graduate assistant. But, um, I loved teaching,
and I think teaching ought to be fun. Learning ought
to be fun. And, uh, I think when when parents
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come into our schools, they sense there's something different. Yeah. And, um,
if you walked in, I. Someday I would love to
walk you through one of our schools. You'll see. They're colorful. Um,
there's color in the floor and in the walls and
in the gymnasiums. And, um, we really put a lot
of time and effort to thinking. What kind of an
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environment would you if you were a little ankle biter
and you were starting school? What would you like that
place to look like? Yeah. And so we've really gone
out of our way to, to just try to meet
the needs that parents have been saying for years. And
I think charter schools, most of them have very, very
good reputations across our country. But all of the charter
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schools that really fly and really do well have high
participation from the parents. And one of the things once
in a while, they let me speak to all the teachers,
and I love to do that, and I remind them
of a couple of things. And you may remember this, Janet,
but I didn't do real well in school. That's the
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understatement of the year. I wasn't going to graduate from
high school. Um, and it was a turning point in
my life where this dear woman who in my mind,
at 17, was somewhere near death. I mean, the woman
had to be old in retrospect. She was probably in
her late 30s. And she pulled me aside one day
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and she said, Kevin, Kevin, with some enthusiasm in that
pronunciation of Kevin. Have you ever thought that maybe you
could use those skills you have for something positive in life?
And I think I've shared this with you before, but
it was such a monumental turning point in my life.
And for the record, the woman was a believer in Jesus.
I didn't know that at the time.
S1 (21:51):
Wow.
S7 (21:51):
But, uh.
S1 (21:52):
Is that Eleanor Wilson? Is that who you dedicated the
book to?
S7 (21:56):
She was the first one that ever said I had skills.
And she tutored me in her home. In her home, uh,
from April of my senior year through graduation, or I
wouldn't have graduated. So I love teachers. And to put
a school together where we really honor teachers and listen
to teachers and really, uh, encourage teachers to use as
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much creativity as they can in the classroom. Uh, it's
just a joy to watch and love. And one of
the things I say to, to teachers, uh, comes from
my experience as a speaker. I'm sure you're familiar with
women of Faith. They had their meeting out in, um,
Las Vegas, Nevada, and I was their their keynote speaker
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and you get this huge introduction. It's just crazy. And
they got three big screens up there, and there's 10,000
women in the round. And estrogen is over overwhelming in
the room. And and okay you're introduced and okay here
he is. It's like here's Johnny and I walk out there.
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Well what are the women doing? They're still talking. Yeah
the volume's going down I'll give you that. But they're
still talking. It's very uncomfortable because you got a spotlight
in your face. You can't see all you can. You
can sort of see figures of people, but you really
can't see their faces. And I share this with the
teachers and it's very uncomfortable to do it. I probably
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waited two minutes before it came to a complete silence,
but then I began speaking. And I share this with
teachers every time I can. You never open your mouth
in that classroom Until everything is what?
S3 (23:40):
Quiet!
S1 (23:41):
Quiet! Yeah. Wow. Great. Great skill. Good parenting skill. Good
teaching skill as well. I'm already frustrated. This hour is
going to go so fast. There's so many layers to
this conversation. So grateful for the work of Doctor Kevin
Leman and Kristin Lehman O'Reilly in writing this book. Be
a great teacher by Friday. Kevin's right. I mean, how
many parents used to show up for school board meetings? Right?
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This is a wake up call. Suddenly, now moms and
dads are understanding. You can't do this in absentia. You
have to be there, buy in and be present. And
this book teaches you how to be a good teacher
in your home and teachers. It'll teach you how to
be more effective in the classroom. Great book back after this.
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market with Janet Parshall. Doctor Kevin Leman is with us,
internationally known psychologist, educator, radio and TV personality, New York
Times best selling author of over 70 titles and founder
of the Leman Academy of Excellence schools. Nine campuses now
all over Arizona and Colorado, and he has taught and
entertained audiences worldwide with his wit and his common sense psychology.
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He is a treasure, and Kristen knows that full well
because that's her daddy. Kristen Leman O'Reilly, the director of
curriculum and instruction at the award winning LA campuses. She
has a master's in teaching, a BA in elementary Ed
and a and a bachelor's, also in psychology. Kristen, I'm
going to take a little deviation here because education is
such a monstrous issue. My daughter actually worked in the
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Department of Ed for a while and the Department of
Civil Rights. And so there's so much conversation and there's
pushback from the union. In particular, the unions don't like
the charter schools, because anything that takes funding away from
the public schools they deem to be a threat. So
in Arizona and Colorado, each state has a Department of Ed,
not just those two, but all 50 states have it.
Is it difficult to work in coordination with the state
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because there is some synergy, if you will, between the
Department of Ed and the state and you're establishing these
charter schools? Was there pushback? Because when you talk, for example,
about character development, you and I, between the three of us,
don't tell anybody else. Every one of them is a
biblical idea. But you can talk about integrity, you can
talk about honesty, and you don't have to cite the
Bible verse to do it. You can still teach those principles.
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So it opens the door with an all comers policy,
which is absolutely fabulous. Did you have hurdles to cross
with each state when you establish these charter schools?
S8 (26:26):
Sure. And that's a great question. And the reality is
every state is either charter friendly or not charter friendly.
So for example, in Arizona They're very charter friendly and
we were able to my husband and I actually wrote
the charter for Leman Academy of Excellence, the educational portion
of it, and we were able to work with the
state charter Board for in Arizona. And it was a
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really although it was a difficult process, it was supportive
because the state of Arizona is supportive. Where in Colorado
you have to be approved by your local school district
to open a charter school. So every state operates a
little differently. But in you're right, some some people really
(27:09):
are against charters. But we like charters and we agree
that parents should have choices because unfortunately, a lot of
our private Christian schools here in Tucson or and I
know across the country are incredibly expensive and some parents
just can't afford it, even though they want their child
to have an education that is based in virtue and
(27:32):
in character. And so that was part of the reason
we made these charter schools. K to eight as public
schools because everyone can come. And if we have a
seat for them, they're invited in.
S1 (27:45):
So you answered another question. I was wondering which is
you are now K-8. Do you see yourself going nine
through 12, putting in a high school component?
S8 (27:53):
That's probably the number one question that we get asked,
especially from our current families, because they want to continue.
S1 (27:59):
Of.
S8 (27:59):
Course, in this classical education journey. And I wish I
was the decision maker on that, but I'm not. And
I would certainly be hopeful that one day we will
have a 9 to 12 program.
S7 (28:12):
And then to that I I've really tried to in fact,
we almost had one. We looked at a property. The
property was, I believe, $18 million just for the property.
And then uh, it had a school on it. The
problem is it was an older school, and the more
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I thought about it, the more cold feet I got.
Because once you get into a building and you bring
it up to standards, I saw that price getting closer
to maybe $30 million. Um, but it's still in my heart.
I would love to have a school. And again, you know, uh, our, uh,
(28:58):
our schools are based on a historical line, and so
we can talk about Christianity in our school, we can't share, uh, uh,
John 316, for example. But but, you know, people know me.
They know who I am. We have a huge number
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of families that are believers who want, you know, all
all parents want the best for their kids, but they
know that we're we're the real deal. And and, uh, again,
we're tuition free. So, um, for a young family looking
for a place, you know, we start in pre-K and
(29:43):
we really do train them up, so to speak. And
by the time they're in kindergarten, I wish you could
see a little kindergartener, uh, do their recitation. Um, it
could be. Well, Chris, I'm going to ask you, how
long is the recitation in terms of paragraphs? Length, minutes.
(30:04):
How long are those?
S8 (30:05):
Yeah. So it's all developmental. So in kindergarten they're going
to learn really short little poems. We use a lot
of Robert Louis Stevenson for example, that are just positive
and fun. And then, you know, by the time they're
in seventh grade and eighth grade, they're memorizing the Gettysburg Address,
the preamble to the Constitution, um, and just some more,
longer and age appropriate recitations that could be from a
(30:30):
historical bent, or it could also just be rich poetry
that we're trying to just build self-confidence and great orators.
Because the reality is, no matter what vocation any of
our students go on to do that, they're going to
have to probably stand in front of somebody or talk
to a group of people, and we try to just
(30:50):
equip them with the tools that they have the confidence
to stand up in front of a group and speak
with eloquence. So we train them beginning in kindergarten, and
they're fearless, absolutely fearless, to stand up in front of
their class and recite a poem again, because the culture
of that classroom is positive and it's accepting. And there's
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high expectations not only for the teacher, but for the
student as well.
S1 (31:15):
Oh, absolutely fantastic.
S7 (31:17):
I have to tell you, that triggered a thought. I
had a a friend who was visiting from Phoenix, and
I was showing him the school. I went to a
third grade classroom and they had, uh, done a recitation
and I said, does anybody else want to share anything?
And this one little kid shot his hand up and
I said, yes. What would you like to share? He said,
(31:40):
I'd like to share the preamble to the Constitution. And
he stood up and and nailed it. I mean, I
was taking notes. Janet. I mean, it was way over
my pay grade. The kids eight years old. And so
it's just a joy to watch these kids absorb this
(32:01):
stuff and ask adults, ask everybody who listens to Janet
Parshall in the marketplace. What's one thing you hate to
do as an adult? And they'll tell you, I hate
to stand up in front of people and speak. Well,
I speak for a living. I'm that anomaly, but most
people don't like it. So we train our kids. And that's.
(32:22):
I've told somebody the other day, be a great teacher
by Friday could be entitled How to be successful in life. Yeah,
because to be successful in life these days, you have
to really be good at the three R's which we
talk about which is relationship relationship, relationship.
S10 (32:40):
Mhm.
S1 (32:41):
Well you know, on the one hand I know that
there are people whose hearts are beating a little faster
right now because it's, it's speaking to a hunger in
their home and in their heart for their child. And
they're wanting one right down the street. And it's not
there yet, but they're excited that there is this movement
that's happening. But I was thinking at the same time,
you know, Kristen, one of the things we have to
take is the history of Ed, right? So if you
(33:01):
look at the way education was formed in this country,
what is now deemed classical in your charter school was
what was an everyday occurrence 150 years ago. So now
we're we're gobsmacked because we're thinking, wow, that's so unusual. No,
that's the way it was until we lost our way.
And our mission statement for what the purpose of public
education was all about. So when you talk about returning
(33:23):
to the classics, I love the fact I grew up.
My mother would quote Robert Louis Stevenson about lying in
his bed of counterpane playing with his little toys. And
I love that poem. That's part of the classics. And
so you just want to go back to this stuff.
It's called classic for a reason. It stood the test
of time, and it's infused in material and skills that
you will use the rest of your life. One of
the goals that you talk about in the book that
(33:44):
I just loved was getting behind each student's eyes. Talk
to me what you mean by that?
S8 (33:50):
Yeah. So the you know, it all goes back to
that relationship. And how do students learn best? And you know,
when I was a kindergarten teacher, for example, and I
had 27 beautiful little kinders looking up at me, the
reality is they all learn different in their life experiences,
even at age five and six, that they bring into
the classroom all influences how they learn. And so from
(34:13):
my lesson planning to the time that they sit on
the carpet to the time they sit in their seats,
had to be all very well thought out and planned
so that I knew that in the course of the day,
I had personal interactions with each one of my kids.
It wasn't just teaching to the whole class, um, all
day long and then wondering why kids misbehave or they're
(34:34):
not catching on to certain concepts that we're teaching. But
also thinking about how kids learn best. They need movement.
They need song. They need repetition. They need it to
be fun, hands on kinesthetic. So my classroom was fun
and I really miss, honestly, the days of just being
in the classroom, closing that door and really having that little, uh,
(34:57):
group of kids that we really were a family. And
that's that's what we want to make sure that teachers understand.
You have such an impact on so many lives. And
just we appreciate you. Teachers across the country, it's almost
teacher appreciation week the week of May 4th. And what
a great gift. Uh, be a great teacher by Friday
(35:19):
would be to a principal or a teacher just starting,
or even a veteran teacher that just needs a reminder
that you are leaving a legacy. And, you know, you're
going to make an impact. And is that going to
be a positive impact? A neutral impact or negative. And
so we want to encourage our teachers today to raise
up this next generation of leaders for our country while
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they have these kids in their classrooms.
S1 (35:45):
What a word of encouragement. Thank you for that, Kristen.
So very, very much, so much. I want to ask you,
I have just barely touched on two of the five
goals that can really help make a difference. The book
is called Be a Great Teacher by Friday. Five winning
plays to spark world changing Potential. Does this not get
you excited? Teachers in particular want you to be encouraged.
It is not, by the way, just a course. Remember
(36:06):
that anathema statement that says those who can't teach really
try it sometime. It's a high calling and it's a
gifting back after this. This hour is going far too
quickly and there is so much more in this book.
(36:28):
So I want to tell you the title again, be
a great teacher by Friday. Five winning plays to spark
World Changing Potential. Written by our guest, Doctor Kevin Lehman,
internationally renowned psychologist, and Kristin Lehman O'Reilly, who is now
the person in charge of the curriculum and also the
philosophy behind the Lehman Academy of Excellence. And she's got
(36:48):
a strong background in education. And I have to tell
you both, I was thinking during the break, and I'll
just give you a little inside scoop into the crazy
life of Janet Parshall. So I remember giving myself a
treat one afternoon, a Saturday afternoon, and I found the
old movie, good Morning, Miss Dove. 1955 Jennifer Jones stars
as the teacher, and in her classroom, she had regulations.
(37:10):
The whole movie is about the students looking back on
how she impacted their life as they grew up into
adults in this small New England town, and they were
all concerned because she had to have some life threatening surgery.
So it's an opportunity for every child to offer some
attribute to how Miss Dove impacted their lives. But she
had regulations in the classroom. Listen to this. Sounds like
something right out of the Lehman Academy. Raising hands to speak,
(37:31):
submitting homework on time and respectful behavior. Her philosophy emphasized
discipline and respect in education. Now, I have to ask you,
Doctor Lehman, did you take this out of the movie
or was this your idea?
S7 (37:44):
No, I probably took it out of the opposite of
what I was like as a little kid. I don't know,
ever cheered this or not, but I drove a teacher
literally out of the teaching. I mean, she quit mid-year,
and I, I tried to find her as an adult
to apologize to her. She was a weak teacher. She
(38:06):
had no classroom management. And, uh, I was such a
goofy kid. She I drove her right out, right out of.
And I was taking. I want you to know the
tough subject they had me in. It was called consumers mathematics. Janet. If.
If Janet went to the store and bought four apples
(38:29):
and had a dollar and came.
S10 (38:30):
Home, how many apples?
S7 (38:31):
$0.50. How much were the apples? That was final exam stuff.
S10 (38:36):
Oh my goodness. Wow.
S1 (38:38):
But it really does underscore I mean character building. In fact,
this comes full circle. And I know that there are
five winning plays and we've only barely touched on two.
But I want to linger a little bit on that
second one about learning the background of the child, because
it really is imperative to understand that character development and
academic rigor and development can take place at the same time.
(38:59):
In fact, really, if you think about it, you can't
have the one without the other that walking out with
a developed character actually makes you a better learner. And so, Kristen,
let me ask you about this, because here's your dad
specializing in birth order, which is how we approach life
based on where God brought us into the world. Well,
so now let me look at the typical public classroom.
In my day, you had 32 students max. Now it
can be even more than that. You've got 32 different
(39:22):
pairs of eyes that are looking at the material. You've
got some kids who listen and they that's how they learn.
You have some kids who see and that's how they learn.
They have some kids who have to process out loud,
and that's how they retain their some kids that have
to move while they're being taught, and that's their learning style.
The average public school teacher will say to you and me,
are you kidding? I'm lucky if I can get through
(39:42):
my lesson plan for the day to meet the state standards,
let alone acquiesce to or accommodate the various learning styles
of every student in the classroom? So it's a general
plea for teachers. How does one tap into the uniqueness
of each child's approach to learning, and yet still do
it within the pragmatic realities of a one hour classroom?
S8 (40:03):
Yeah, and the reality is, it's tough to teach. And
I appreciate what you said before. You know, if you
think teaching is for the weak, please come give it
a try. You are the masterful orchestrator of that, uh,
community of learners, and it's very unique. And you have
to really know what you're doing. So when you know,
(40:26):
just thinking about those learning styles, it never bothered me
at all to know that a kid that was walking
in circles in the back of the class, or sort
of pacing back and forth, he was listening, and I
could ask him a question at any time, and he
could answer it, but he had to be moving in
(40:46):
order to understand. And that's the unique characteristics that each
one of those kids comes into the classroom with. And
that's our job as teachers, is to get to know
how each one of them functions. Some hate group projects, right?
Others love group project and collaborating and talking it through.
And so choice in the classroom is really big for
(41:09):
me because it's not one size fits all. And so hey,
here's how we're going to here's something we're going to
learn about. How do you want to show me that
you understand this concept. You want to create something. Do
you want to work with a partner? Do you want
to work independently? Do you want to make a presentation? Like,
do you want to pretend like you're an interviewer and
you can interview George Washington and show the class what
(41:33):
you've learned? I mean, having choice and making learning fun.
Therefore it's meaningful. Um, I don't know how many of
you had to grow up, um, where we were often
assigned a chapter to read, and then we had to
answer the ten exciting questions that followed that does not
retain information, at least for me. I needed to have,
(41:54):
you know, we don't want students just to cram for
a test and pass it and then move on. We're
really trying to instill lifelong learners that want to learn
and are eager to learn and have a hunger for
what's true, good and beautiful.
S10 (42:09):
Mhm. Well beautifully.
S1 (42:10):
Stated. Wow. Kevin, do you want to add to that?
S7 (42:13):
I had a kid chase me down the hall at
Lehman Academy. Doctor Lehman, doctor Lehman, you have to see this.
You have to see this. is. And they they compiled
a book, a classroom. The class did. And his assignment? No,
it wasn't a book. It was a newspaper. Excuse me.
In his assignment was to interview Genghis Khan's father to.
(42:38):
And he wrote a piece about Genghis Khan and what
he was like. It was absolutely, hilariously funny. And he.
What the joy for me was. He was excited about
the product that he created as a small piece of
the bigger project, and it's just fun to watch it.
(43:00):
There's nothing more joyful than watching the kids and see
those differences. Yes, teacher, you're going to have that little
attention getter who taps the pencil and you tell them, Steven,
I did that for your Steven. By the way, Steven,
stop tapping that right now and the kid will stop
for a minute. He starts again. The other kids kid's powerful.
(43:20):
He's going to tell you who the boss is. Then
you got the kid who feels hurt by life. He
wants to strike out at everybody. So that teaching position
that you all think is so easy, you got to
be a shrink on top of everything else?
S1 (43:32):
Yeah, 100%. Well, there's so much I want to ask
you both. And I want to tell our friends, really?
Five winning plays to spark world changing potential. You hear
the wisdom, the godly, commonsensical wisdom that both Chris and
Tampon are talking about this hour. There's so much more
in the book, so be encouraged. Teachers in particular. Thank you.
Thank you for responding to this high calling. Thank you
(43:54):
for shaping the hearts and minds of our kids. We
appreciate that. And thank you for working in tandem with
us as parents. So you can be a great teacher
because it is a great calling and it is a
great commission. So thank you both so much for a
wonderful conversation. There's so much more in the book. I
wish I had another hour. I've barely scratched the surface.
Get a copy and learn how you can change the
world by being a great teacher. Thanks, friends. We'll see
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you next time.
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This idea is not the question.
S1 (01:52):
Hi, friends. Welcome to In the Market with Janet Parshall.
So glad we're going to spend the hour together. And
if I tell you that Doctor Kevin Leman is one
of our guests. You just got a little closer to
your radio, didn't you? This is the man who's been
teaching us. We can have everything better by Friday. How
do I know? Because I've read his books and I've
talked to him about it. And I don't know what
it is about Fridays, but Fridays, apparently, it all works out.
(02:13):
Better sex life, better marriage, better kid. I mean, the
list goes on and on and on. And now we're
going to talk about how you can be a great
teacher by Friday. Oh, but here's where it gets interesting.
It isn't just going to be the world renowned international psychologist,
Doctor Kevin Leman, the man behind the birth order. But
we're going to talk to one of the people that
God placed in his life. Yes. And we're going to
(02:35):
find out where she is. In the birth order of
the Leman household. Kristin Leman O'Reilly is going to join
us because she's the co-author of the brand new book,
Be a Great Teacher by Friday. And it makes perfect
sense because she oversees curriculum and the Leman educational philosophy
at the Leman Academy of Excellence. I talked to Doctor
Leman before these were even in existence. Yep. And they're
out now making a big impact. That is, by the way,
(02:57):
if you're interested in Leman Academy of Excellence and I
hope you are. It is a public classic charter school
with nine now nine campuses throughout Arizona and Colorado. Kristen,
you should know, began her educational journey nearly three decades
ago and has taught both in private and charter schools,
including various leadership roles as curriculum coordinator, professional development administrator,
(03:18):
and vice principal. She's passionate about mentoring teachers and training
them to be lifelong learners to inspire the next generation
of learners. Kristen annually trains nearly 400 teachers and supports
them throughout the year with ongoing professional development workshops. She
and her husband Denis and children reside in Arizona, so
that's part of the legacy, the Leman legacy. Now, these
(03:40):
are part of the grandbabies, a part of that family,
and of course, Doctor Kevin Leman, the man who gave
us the birth order, all of which now are re-examining
the way we think and act based on where God
brought us into our family. He has been all over
the media. He's been all over the world. New York
Times best selling author over 70 titles to his name.
And what can I say? He's just an all around
(04:00):
fabulous guy. Unbelievably humble, unbelievably witty and just full of wisdom.
Just overflows. So welcome, both of you. Lehman's and Lehman O'Reilly.
Be a great teacher by Friday. Doctor Lehman, I got
to start with you. So what is it about Fridays?
How come everything happens on Fridays?
S7 (04:15):
You know, it's it's payday for so many people. You know,
I don't know. I have to admit, Janet, I got
hung up on Friday, I really did. You know, the
have a New Kid by Friday is a New York
Times best seller. And as you know, in this business,
it's hard to get those numbers to, to to sell
and become a New York Times best seller. I have
(04:38):
to tell you, I'm not a not in love with
the New York Times in any way, shape or form,
but nevertheless, uh, yeah, I.
S1 (04:46):
They like your books. I'll tell you what. Yeah, yeah. Well,
and really and in all truth, what we're saying is
that there's a way to be able to do this.
These are achievable goals. And so you set that standard
by saying Friday. And it's a brilliant marketing idea, but
it's also a wonderful way to help people conceptualize that
you bring these ideas forward for real excellence in our lives.
And it's doable. You don't write to frustrate you. Write
(05:08):
to get us on the right path, to do the
right thing. But I got it, and I can't wait
to get into the book. But, Christian, I would be
so remiss. Okay, where are you in the Lehman family
in terms of birth order?
S8 (05:19):
Well, I'm the second daughter, and I often like to
say I'm my dad's favorite. And when my other siblings
especially are not present, I can get away with that.
Otherwise I get looked at funny. But yes, I have
an older sister, Holly. And then I came next. And
then I have three younger siblings underneath me.
S1 (05:38):
Wow. Okay, so Doctor Lehman, what does that say about
your second born daughter? Does that make her a middle child?
S7 (05:45):
Well, she's she is in the middle. We had people
most people know our story. We had our three children. And, uh,
You know, my wife always says we make plans and
God laughs. And then we had a little surprise when
my wife was 42. And that's little Hannah. She lives
(06:07):
in Evanston, Illinois. And then we had the shocker at 48.
Little Lauren. So our family is sort of a good
study in birth order. But yeah, Chrissy is a middle.
She's very, very good with people, and she's the consummate teacher.
She she gets it. I told her that you were
(06:30):
a former teacher, and she said, well, she'll understand this
book really well. And I said, yes, she will. And so, Chrissy, um,
is just about 18 months behind her oldest, our oldest daughter, Holly,
who I have called publicly Judge Judy from time to time. Um,
(06:50):
she could run several people's lives at the same time.
And yet Chrissy has those middle child qualities. Negotiation. Compromise
gets along with people. But if you want a job
done right, Chrissy is the one to have do it
because she's very detailed and a lot of middle children
(07:10):
don't have the detailed capability that she has. But yeah,
she says she's the favorite daughter. When the kids get
my phone, lots of times they they put their name
down under my favorite daughter.
S9 (07:25):
So we still have fun.
S7 (07:26):
In the Lehman family. That's not a surprise to you, Janet.
S1 (07:29):
Not at all. Not at all. Okay, so here's the
other question. And Kristen, I want to ask you this. Obviously,
I'm a little partial on the topic because of my
background in education, but I don't want people to go
boring doesn't have anything to do with my life. When
you think about it, though, teaching doesn't necessarily have to be.
Although a lot of what we're going to talk about
applies in the classroom. But parents teach, youth leaders teach,
(07:51):
pastors teach, bosses teach. So is what we're going to
talk about today applicable in a broader aspect than people
who are just the ones who show up in the classroom?
S8 (08:00):
Absolutely, Janet, and I'm really glad you asked that question,
because the whole basis, the cornerstone of our entire book,
is built in relationships, and whether that applies to the
relationship that the teacher has with her students or his students,
the relationship between the teacher and their admin, the teacher
in the family. And that can really extend to also
(08:22):
grandparents or other guardians that are helping to be a
caretaker for the student. But really, because everything is grounded
in relationships, it's very applicable to no matter what kind
of role you find yourself in today, if you have
that relationship piece, then you have the key to be
a great teacher by Friday.
S1 (08:43):
Thank you Kristen, so much for not only answering it,
but the way in which you answered it. So come
on back in the room, friends. Okay, you don't have
to have your degree in education to think this is
applicable to you. This is about relationships, as Christian just said.
And by the way, you should understand that Doctor Lehman
specializes in relationships. So between this father daughter combination, it's
going to be a great conversation. And it's an even
(09:05):
greater book. Be a great teacher by Friday. Five winning
plays to spark world changing potential. We're going to open
the book. Get started right after this. Did you know
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the market with Janet Parshall. Well in all transparency. This
is such a treat for me. I just love Doctor
Kevin Leman and to be able to get to know
his daughter Kristen is an extra special treat for me.
Together they co-wrote the book Be a Great Teacher by Friday.
Five winning plays to spark world changing potential. So I
want to start with some of the challenges outside the
(10:11):
classroom before we go into the classroom. And I want
to go to you if I can. Kristen, because I
remember talking to your dad before the Lehman Academy for
excellence was even formed, before these charter school even started,
it was just a germ of an idea. And now
nine campuses. Thanks be to God. I cannot believe that.
But it really tells you the hunger in the human
heart for moms and dads to put their child in
the very best academic environment they can. In fact, I
(10:34):
find it interesting you've even got a case before the
Supreme Court this year in 2025, where they take a
look at whether or not you can have a religious
charter school. So parents are hungry for choice. And certainly
the Lea has stepped in and met that kind of
a need. So talk to me about the challenges. Is
it hard? In other words, there has to be some
kind of if you don't have choice, if you don't
have the kind of equal funding in a state so
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that your tax dollar is given as a voucher, for example,
to the child rather than to the school. So you
don't have any church state entanglement issues, or if you
want to step out of the public government schools and
you want to step into a charter school instead because
you like the classics, you want excellence, you want a
higher standard. Why do you think you've grown to nine campuses?
What does it say about parents and what they're looking
for for their children?
S7 (11:16):
Well, parents want teachers, schools who have high expectations for
their scholars, for their students. They want a place where
teachers yes is yes. And the teachers no is no.
There's something wonderful about structure, and kids will live up
to the expectations you give them. It's as simple as that.
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And you take a look at what's happened in public schools.
I mean, I know a school where they took 908th
graders who had failed, and they thought they did them
a great service by promoting them to the freshman year
into the local high school. That's a disservice.
S9 (11:57):
Yes, yes.
S7 (11:58):
And so at Lehman Academy, we always say, don't accept excuses.
That makes the weak. What? Weaker. I mean, I always
love to show off the school where people will come.
In fact, the treasurer of the state of Arizona has
read some of my books, and she had a meeting in,
in Tucson, and she asked if there's a way she
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could come and see our school. And I said, hey, yes, absolutely.
And I'll be your personal guide. And she showed up
with her small entourage, and we walked through the school,
and she just looked at me and said, wow. And
she sees the the little ankle biters. Janet, you'll get
a kick out of this when they go from their
homeroom down to P.E. or music or art. And by
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the way, as a charter school, we have music and
art and P.E. and a lot of the things that
the public schools have done away with. Uh, but it's
just fun watching the kids walk down the hallway. They're
not pushing and shoving each other. They look like little
penguins at the South Pole. Uh, you know, single file.
And then you have the little two girls that are
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best friends forever holding hands. I mean, it's ideal in
so many ways, but kids want to please adults. Parents
need to understand that in a home. Hey, parents, your
kids really do want to please you. Set up opportunities
for them to please you. And the same thing goes
in school. And Chris can speak to, uh, forever on
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this subject. Uh, go ahead. Chris.
S8 (13:30):
Well, I was just going to add to Janet that
when we originally wrote the charter for Lehman Academy and
opened the doors, we were very purposeful in saying we
do not want to just replicate the school down the street.
We have to be set apart. There has to be
something different about entering this arena, because the truth is,
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there's plenty of schools around each one of our academies.
And so why would a parent choose Lehman Academy over
the neighborhood school or even a religious school? And it's because, um,
everything is based on that relationship. So we tell our
principals and vice principals that you're to be on the
curb in the morning and you open that car door.
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It's really customer service based. And by doing that, you
get to know not only and, and welcome the child
to school, but you get that relationship with the parent
and the younger siblings. In the back seat. You get
to meet the dog. I had a best friend that
was a bearded lizard that I would meet every morning
when I stood on the curb, and then we do
the same thing in the afternoon. You know, we literally
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escort those children back to their families. And I can
tell you, and I know with your educational background, it's
a great and tremendous responsibility to have another family We
entrust you with their most prized possession. Amen. And we
took that job very seriously. And we do. And it's
our job to shepherd those little sheep while they're in
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our care. And then return them to their parents, just
like they dropped them off to us.
S1 (15:02):
O Lord, may your tribe increase. That really takes me
to point number one. In the book, you write about
five winning strategies. And this really is a perfect segue
into number one, which is it isn't just good customer service.
And boy, do I believe that Lehman Academy delivers that
over and over again. But it also has to be
about the product you deliver. And that's why the first
strategy is establish a rock solid foundation. Kristen, I have
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to tell you, I remember when we moved from cognitive
to affective education that Johnny couldn't learn because Johnny didn't
feel good, so he didn't care if Johnny couldn't spell
as long as he felt good. When he wrote his paragraph,
he couldn't fill out a resume. He couldn't do a
job application. But he felt good because we didn't crush
his self-esteem, because he was in the affective rather than
the cognitive domain. The same thing about math. This was
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the idea that we don't want to push them into
saying that two plus two equals four. Let them let
them figure out an outcome that makes him feel good.
And that opened the door to death. Education, Earth education,
which opened the door and the grave to die. Woke education, transgenderism.
And it was a spiral downhill. The abandonment of the
initial purpose of education has been willingly and wantonly ignored
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in this country. That's why your academy is such a standout.
If you were, and I suppose it's a subject of question,
but I'd still, as teacher, love to get your take
on this. Don't you think that if we could do
a survey of parents, the overwhelming majority of parents would
say reading, writing and arithmetic? The basic skills to succeed
in life is what I want.
S8 (16:27):
Absolutely. And I think alongside that is that development of character.
So we always say, and I teach teachers that, you know,
if your students leave your classroom and they have straight A's,
but they do not have character and they don't know
how to treat someone else, and they don't know how
to hold the door for their friend behind them than
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we failed. Because really, this is the classroom is the
place where they're going to fail sometimes and succeed, and
they're going to learn how to do life in a
great community. That should be very supportive. And absolutely, the
academics have to be first, but also that character.
S1 (17:05):
Amen. Oh, you know, it's going to happen, don't you,
that we're talking to people all across the country and
they're going to go, no, why is there not a
Leman Academy of Excellence in my state? 248 to go,
but right now you are definitely in Arizona and Colorado.
But again, we're talking about teachers everywhere with a brand
new book by Kevin and Kristen Colby, a great teacher.
By Friday we just touched on one of the winning plays.
(17:25):
More to come. We're talking with Doctor Kevin Leman and
Kristin Lehman O'Reilly, Kevin's daughter. Together, they've authored a brand
new book called Be a Great Teacher by Friday, and
in the book, they offer five winning plays to spark
world changing potential. Such an important conversation and encouraging conversations
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for parents who feel very dissatisfied and heartbroken and oftentimes threatened.
By the way, depending on what state you live in
about the parent child relationship to education. So, Kevin, I
want to go back to you something that Kristen said.
By the way, I should put out that one of
Kristen's undergrad degrees was in psychology, probably because you watched
her dad, but boy, does that make you an even
better teacher. So I think that's brilliant. But Kevin, some
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might say, wait, if you're doing character development, how does
that complement or does it conflict with academic rigor? So
if you want academic excellence, does building character get in
the way or does it complement the building up of
a student.
S7 (18:23):
Or complements it all the way down the line? We
always have virtues that are featured in. Chris, I'm going
to defer to you for a second on this. The
virtues that we have, are they monthly virtues?
S8 (18:35):
Yes. So we choose two a month like integrity and
loyalty are for April and then district wide. We're Were
really trying to show examples and also non-examples of what
those virtues mean in in the classroom, on the playground,
in the cafeteria at dismissal. Yeah. So two values and
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virtues a month that we concentrate on.
S1 (18:58):
Wow. Just as a side note, forgive me, Kevin, you
were going to say something. Please go first.
S7 (19:01):
So it's part and parcel. Of course. You know, parents today,
they're so sick of what we've been told. Uh, parents
are coming together now. They're heard, like, for Pete's sake.
And they're demanding that they have a say in education.
And we welcome parents and we welcome grandparents. Uh, we
I think this figure is correct. We opened up a
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grandparent day at our school, at our first school, and
I think we had 1200 people show up. We we
quite frankly, we didn't know what to do with them.
Who are you people?
S9 (19:36):
Where'd you all come from?
S7 (19:38):
But, uh, you know, it's just it's really joyful as
an educator, and I taught at the University of Arizona
for 11 years. More than that, actually 14 years, part
of it as a graduate assistant. But, um, I loved teaching,
and I think teaching ought to be fun. Learning ought
to be fun. And, uh, I think when when parents
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come into our schools, they sense there's something different. Yeah. And, um,
if you walked in, I. Someday I would love to
walk you through one of our schools. You'll see. They're colorful. Um,
there's color in the floor and in the walls and
in the gymnasiums. And, um, we really put a lot
of time and effort to thinking. What kind of an
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environment would you if you were a little ankle biter
and you were starting school? What would you like that
place to look like? Yeah. And so we've really gone
out of our way to, to just try to meet
the needs that parents have been saying for years. And
I think charter schools, most of them have very, very
good reputations across our country. But all of the charter
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schools that really fly and really do well have high
participation from the parents. And one of the things once
in a while, they let me speak to all the teachers,
and I love to do that, and I remind them
of a couple of things. And you may remember this, Janet,
but I didn't do real well in school. That's the
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understatement of the year. I wasn't going to graduate from
high school. Um, and it was a turning point in
my life where this dear woman who in my mind,
at 17, was somewhere near death. I mean, the woman
had to be old in retrospect. She was probably in
her late 30s. And she pulled me aside one day
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and she said, Kevin, Kevin, with some enthusiasm in that
pronunciation of Kevin. Have you ever thought that maybe you
could use those skills you have for something positive in life?
And I think I've shared this with you before, but
it was such a monumental turning point in my life.
And for the record, the woman was a believer in Jesus.
I didn't know that at the time.
S1 (21:51):
Wow.
S7 (21:51):
But, uh.
S1 (21:52):
Is that Eleanor Wilson? Is that who you dedicated the
book to?
S7 (21:56):
She was the first one that ever said I had skills.
And she tutored me in her home. In her home, uh,
from April of my senior year through graduation, or I
wouldn't have graduated. So I love teachers. And to put
a school together where we really honor teachers and listen
to teachers and really, uh, encourage teachers to use as
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much creativity as they can in the classroom. Uh, it's
just a joy to watch and love. And one of
the things I say to, to teachers, uh, comes from
my experience as a speaker. I'm sure you're familiar with
women of Faith. They had their meeting out in, um,
Las Vegas, Nevada, and I was their their keynote speaker
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and you get this huge introduction. It's just crazy. And
they got three big screens up there, and there's 10,000
women in the round. And estrogen is over overwhelming in
the room. And and okay you're introduced and okay here
he is. It's like here's Johnny and I walk out there.
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Well what are the women doing? They're still talking. Yeah
the volume's going down I'll give you that. But they're
still talking. It's very uncomfortable because you got a spotlight
in your face. You can't see all you can. You
can sort of see figures of people, but you really
can't see their faces. And I share this with the
teachers and it's very uncomfortable to do it. I probably
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waited two minutes before it came to a complete silence,
but then I began speaking. And I share this with
teachers every time I can. You never open your mouth
in that classroom Until everything is what?
S3 (23:40):
Quiet!
S1 (23:41):
Quiet! Yeah. Wow. Great. Great skill. Good parenting skill. Good
teaching skill as well. I'm already frustrated. This hour is
going to go so fast. There's so many layers to
this conversation. So grateful for the work of Doctor Kevin
Leman and Kristin Lehman O'Reilly in writing this book. Be
a great teacher by Friday. Kevin's right. I mean, how
many parents used to show up for school board meetings? Right?
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This is a wake up call. Suddenly, now moms and
dads are understanding. You can't do this in absentia. You
have to be there, buy in and be present. And
this book teaches you how to be a good teacher
in your home and teachers. It'll teach you how to
be more effective in the classroom. Great book back after this.
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market with Janet Parshall. Doctor Kevin Leman is with us,
internationally known psychologist, educator, radio and TV personality, New York
Times best selling author of over 70 titles and founder
of the Leman Academy of Excellence schools. Nine campuses now
all over Arizona and Colorado, and he has taught and
entertained audiences worldwide with his wit and his common sense psychology.
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He is a treasure, and Kristen knows that full well
because that's her daddy. Kristen Leman O'Reilly, the director of
curriculum and instruction at the award winning LA campuses. She
has a master's in teaching, a BA in elementary Ed
and a and a bachelor's, also in psychology. Kristen, I'm
going to take a little deviation here because education is
such a monstrous issue. My daughter actually worked in the
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Department of Ed for a while and the Department of
Civil Rights. And so there's so much conversation and there's
pushback from the union. In particular, the unions don't like
the charter schools, because anything that takes funding away from
the public schools they deem to be a threat. So
in Arizona and Colorado, each state has a Department of Ed,
not just those two, but all 50 states have it.
Is it difficult to work in coordination with the state
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because there is some synergy, if you will, between the
Department of Ed and the state and you're establishing these
charter schools? Was there pushback? Because when you talk, for example,
about character development, you and I, between the three of us,
don't tell anybody else. Every one of them is a
biblical idea. But you can talk about integrity, you can
talk about honesty, and you don't have to cite the
Bible verse to do it. You can still teach those principles.
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So it opens the door with an all comers policy,
which is absolutely fabulous. Did you have hurdles to cross
with each state when you establish these charter schools?
S8 (26:26):
Sure. And that's a great question. And the reality is
every state is either charter friendly or not charter friendly.
So for example, in Arizona They're very charter friendly and
we were able to my husband and I actually wrote
the charter for Leman Academy of Excellence, the educational portion
of it, and we were able to work with the
state charter Board for in Arizona. And it was a
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really although it was a difficult process, it was supportive
because the state of Arizona is supportive. Where in Colorado
you have to be approved by your local school district
to open a charter school. So every state operates a
little differently. But in you're right, some some people really
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are against charters. But we like charters and we agree
that parents should have choices because unfortunately, a lot of
our private Christian schools here in Tucson or and I
know across the country are incredibly expensive and some parents
just can't afford it, even though they want their child
to have an education that is based in virtue and
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in character. And so that was part of the reason
we made these charter schools. K to eight as public
schools because everyone can come. And if we have a
seat for them, they're invited in.
S1 (27:45):
So you answered another question. I was wondering which is
you are now K-8. Do you see yourself going nine
through 12, putting in a high school component?
S8 (27:53):
That's probably the number one question that we get asked,
especially from our current families, because they want to continue.
S1 (27:59):
Of.
S8 (27:59):
Course, in this classical education journey. And I wish I
was the decision maker on that, but I'm not. And
I would certainly be hopeful that one day we will
have a 9 to 12 program.
S7 (28:12):
And then to that I I've really tried to in fact,
we almost had one. We looked at a property. The
property was, I believe, $18 million just for the property.
And then uh, it had a school on it. The
problem is it was an older school, and the more
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I thought about it, the more cold feet I got.
Because once you get into a building and you bring
it up to standards, I saw that price getting closer
to maybe $30 million. Um, but it's still in my heart.
I would love to have a school. And again, you know, uh, our, uh,
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our schools are based on a historical line, and so
we can talk about Christianity in our school, we can't share, uh, uh,
John 316, for example. But but, you know, people know me.
They know who I am. We have a huge number
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of families that are believers who want, you know, all
all parents want the best for their kids, but they
know that we're we're the real deal. And and, uh, again,
we're tuition free. So, um, for a young family looking
for a place, you know, we start in pre-K and
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we really do train them up, so to speak. And
by the time they're in kindergarten, I wish you could
see a little kindergartener, uh, do their recitation. Um, it
could be. Well, Chris, I'm going to ask you, how
long is the recitation in terms of paragraphs? Length, minutes.
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How long are those?
S8 (30:05):
Yeah. So it's all developmental. So in kindergarten they're going
to learn really short little poems. We use a lot
of Robert Louis Stevenson for example, that are just positive
and fun. And then, you know, by the time they're
in seventh grade and eighth grade, they're memorizing the Gettysburg Address,
the preamble to the Constitution, um, and just some more,
longer and age appropriate recitations that could be from a
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historical bent, or it could also just be rich poetry
that we're trying to just build self-confidence and great orators.
Because the reality is, no matter what vocation any of
our students go on to do that, they're going to
have to probably stand in front of somebody or talk
to a group of people, and we try to just
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equip them with the tools that they have the confidence
to stand up in front of a group and speak
with eloquence. So we train them beginning in kindergarten, and
they're fearless, absolutely fearless, to stand up in front of
their class and recite a poem again, because the culture
of that classroom is positive and it's accepting. And there's
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high expectations not only for the teacher, but for the
student as well.
S1 (31:15):
Oh, absolutely fantastic.
S7 (31:17):
I have to tell you, that triggered a thought. I
had a a friend who was visiting from Phoenix, and
I was showing him the school. I went to a
third grade classroom and they had, uh, done a recitation
and I said, does anybody else want to share anything?
And this one little kid shot his hand up and
I said, yes. What would you like to share? He said,
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I'd like to share the preamble to the Constitution. And
he stood up and and nailed it. I mean, I
was taking notes. Janet. I mean, it was way over
my pay grade. The kids eight years old. And so
it's just a joy to watch these kids absorb this
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stuff and ask adults, ask everybody who listens to Janet
Parshall in the marketplace. What's one thing you hate to
do as an adult? And they'll tell you, I hate
to stand up in front of people and speak. Well,
I speak for a living. I'm that anomaly, but most
people don't like it. So we train our kids. And that's.
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I've told somebody the other day, be a great teacher
by Friday could be entitled How to be successful in life. Yeah,
because to be successful in life these days, you have
to really be good at the three R's which we
talk about which is relationship relationship, relationship.
S10 (32:40):
Mhm.
S1 (32:41):
Well you know, on the one hand I know that
there are people whose hearts are beating a little faster
right now because it's, it's speaking to a hunger in
their home and in their heart for their child. And
they're wanting one right down the street. And it's not
there yet, but they're excited that there is this movement
that's happening. But I was thinking at the same time,
you know, Kristen, one of the things we have to
take is the history of Ed, right? So if you
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look at the way education was formed in this country,
what is now deemed classical in your charter school was
what was an everyday occurrence 150 years ago. So now
we're we're gobsmacked because we're thinking, wow, that's so unusual. No,
that's the way it was until we lost our way.
And our mission statement for what the purpose of public
education was all about. So when you talk about returning
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to the classics, I love the fact I grew up.
My mother would quote Robert Louis Stevenson about lying in
his bed of counterpane playing with his little toys. And
I love that poem. That's part of the classics. And
so you just want to go back to this stuff.
It's called classic for a reason. It stood the test
of time, and it's infused in material and skills that
you will use the rest of your life. One of
the goals that you talk about in the book that
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I just loved was getting behind each student's eyes. Talk
to me what you mean by that?
S8 (33:50):
Yeah. So the you know, it all goes back to
that relationship. And how do students learn best? And you know,
when I was a kindergarten teacher, for example, and I
had 27 beautiful little kinders looking up at me, the
reality is they all learn different in their life experiences,
even at age five and six, that they bring into
the classroom all influences how they learn. And so from
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my lesson planning to the time that they sit on
the carpet to the time they sit in their seats,
had to be all very well thought out and planned
so that I knew that in the course of the day,
I had personal interactions with each one of my kids.
It wasn't just teaching to the whole class, um, all
day long and then wondering why kids misbehave or they're
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not catching on to certain concepts that we're teaching. But
also thinking about how kids learn best. They need movement.
They need song. They need repetition. They need it to
be fun, hands on kinesthetic. So my classroom was fun
and I really miss, honestly, the days of just being
in the classroom, closing that door and really having that little, uh,
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group of kids that we really were a family. And
that's that's what we want to make sure that teachers understand.
You have such an impact on so many lives. And
just we appreciate you. Teachers across the country, it's almost
teacher appreciation week the week of May 4th. And what
a great gift. Uh, be a great teacher by Friday
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would be to a principal or a teacher just starting,
or even a veteran teacher that just needs a reminder
that you are leaving a legacy. And, you know, you're
going to make an impact. And is that going to
be a positive impact? A neutral impact or negative. And
so we want to encourage our teachers today to raise
up this next generation of leaders for our country while
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they have these kids in their classrooms.
S1 (35:45):
What a word of encouragement. Thank you for that, Kristen.
So very, very much, so much. I want to ask you,
I have just barely touched on two of the five
goals that can really help make a difference. The book
is called Be a Great Teacher by Friday. Five winning
plays to spark world changing Potential. Does this not get
you excited? Teachers in particular want you to be encouraged.
It is not, by the way, just a course. Remember
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that anathema statement that says those who can't teach really
try it sometime. It's a high calling and it's a
gifting back after this. This hour is going far too
quickly and there is so much more in this book.
(36:28):
So I want to tell you the title again, be
a great teacher by Friday. Five winning plays to spark
World Changing Potential. Written by our guest, Doctor Kevin Lehman,
internationally renowned psychologist, and Kristin Lehman O'Reilly, who is now
the person in charge of the curriculum and also the
philosophy behind the Lehman Academy of Excellence. And she's got
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a strong background in education. And I have to tell
you both, I was thinking during the break, and I'll
just give you a little inside scoop into the crazy
life of Janet Parshall. So I remember giving myself a
treat one afternoon, a Saturday afternoon, and I found the
old movie, good Morning, Miss Dove. 1955 Jennifer Jones stars
as the teacher, and in her classroom, she had regulations.
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The whole movie is about the students looking back on
how she impacted their life as they grew up into
adults in this small New England town, and they were
all concerned because she had to have some life threatening surgery.
So it's an opportunity for every child to offer some
attribute to how Miss Dove impacted their lives. But she
had regulations in the classroom. Listen to this. Sounds like
something right out of the Lehman Academy. Raising hands to speak,
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submitting homework on time and respectful behavior. Her philosophy emphasized
discipline and respect in education. Now, I have to ask you,
Doctor Lehman, did you take this out of the movie
or was this your idea?
S7 (37:44):
No, I probably took it out of the opposite of
what I was like as a little kid. I don't know,
ever cheered this or not, but I drove a teacher
literally out of the teaching. I mean, she quit mid-year,
and I, I tried to find her as an adult
to apologize to her. She was a weak teacher. She
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had no classroom management. And, uh, I was such a
goofy kid. She I drove her right out, right out of.
And I was taking. I want you to know the
tough subject they had me in. It was called consumers mathematics. Janet. If.
If Janet went to the store and bought four apples
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and had a dollar and came.
S10 (38:30):
Home, how many apples?
S7 (38:31):
$0.50. How much were the apples? That was final exam stuff.
S10 (38:36):
Oh my goodness. Wow.
S1 (38:38):
But it really does underscore I mean character building. In fact,
this comes full circle. And I know that there are
five winning plays and we've only barely touched on two.
But I want to linger a little bit on that
second one about learning the background of the child, because
it really is imperative to understand that character development and
academic rigor and development can take place at the same time.
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In fact, really, if you think about it, you can't
have the one without the other that walking out with
a developed character actually makes you a better learner. And so, Kristen,
let me ask you about this, because here's your dad
specializing in birth order, which is how we approach life
based on where God brought us into the world. Well,
so now let me look at the typical public classroom.
In my day, you had 32 students max. Now it
can be even more than that. You've got 32 different
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pairs of eyes that are looking at the material. You've
got some kids who listen and they that's how they learn.
You have some kids who see and that's how they learn.
They have some kids who have to process out loud,
and that's how they retain their some kids that have
to move while they're being taught, and that's their learning style.
The average public school teacher will say to you and me,
are you kidding? I'm lucky if I can get through
(39:42):
my lesson plan for the day to meet the state standards,
let alone acquiesce to or accommodate the various learning styles
of every student in the classroom? So it's a general
plea for teachers. How does one tap into the uniqueness
of each child's approach to learning, and yet still do
it within the pragmatic realities of a one hour classroom?
S8 (40:03):
Yeah, and the reality is, it's tough to teach. And
I appreciate what you said before. You know, if you
think teaching is for the weak, please come give it
a try. You are the masterful orchestrator of that, uh,
community of learners, and it's very unique. And you have
to really know what you're doing. So when you know,
(40:26):
just thinking about those learning styles, it never bothered me
at all to know that a kid that was walking
in circles in the back of the class, or sort
of pacing back and forth, he was listening, and I
could ask him a question at any time, and he
could answer it, but he had to be moving in
(40:46):
order to understand. And that's the unique characteristics that each
one of those kids comes into the classroom with. And
that's our job as teachers, is to get to know
how each one of them functions. Some hate group projects, right?
Others love group project and collaborating and talking it through.
And so choice in the classroom is really big for
(41:09):
me because it's not one size fits all. And so hey,
here's how we're going to here's something we're going to
learn about. How do you want to show me that
you understand this concept. You want to create something. Do
you want to work with a partner? Do you want
to work independently? Do you want to make a presentation? Like,
do you want to pretend like you're an interviewer and
you can interview George Washington and show the class what
(41:33):
you've learned? I mean, having choice and making learning fun.
Therefore it's meaningful. Um, I don't know how many of
you had to grow up, um, where we were often
assigned a chapter to read, and then we had to
answer the ten exciting questions that followed that does not
retain information, at least for me. I needed to have,
(41:54):
you know, we don't want students just to cram for
a test and pass it and then move on. We're
really trying to instill lifelong learners that want to learn
and are eager to learn and have a hunger for
what's true, good and beautiful.
S10 (42:09):
Mhm. Well beautifully.
S1 (42:10):
Stated. Wow. Kevin, do you want to add to that?
S7 (42:13):
I had a kid chase me down the hall at
Lehman Academy. Doctor Lehman, doctor Lehman, you have to see this.
You have to see this. is. And they they compiled
a book, a classroom. The class did. And his assignment? No,
it wasn't a book. It was a newspaper. Excuse me.
In his assignment was to interview Genghis Khan's father to.
(42:38):
And he wrote a piece about Genghis Khan and what
he was like. It was absolutely, hilariously funny. And he.
What the joy for me was. He was excited about
the product that he created as a small piece of
the bigger project, and it's just fun to watch it.
(43:00):
There's nothing more joyful than watching the kids and see
those differences. Yes, teacher, you're going to have that little
attention getter who taps the pencil and you tell them, Steven,
I did that for your Steven. By the way, Steven,
stop tapping that right now and the kid will stop
for a minute. He starts again. The other kids kid's powerful.
(43:20):
He's going to tell you who the boss is. Then
you got the kid who feels hurt by life. He
wants to strike out at everybody. So that teaching position
that you all think is so easy, you got to
be a shrink on top of everything else?
S1 (43:32):
Yeah, 100%. Well, there's so much I want to ask
you both. And I want to tell our friends, really?
Five winning plays to spark world changing potential. You hear
the wisdom, the godly, commonsensical wisdom that both Chris and
Tampon are talking about this hour. There's so much more
in the book, so be encouraged. Teachers in particular. Thank you.
Thank you for responding to this high calling. Thank you
(43:54):
for shaping the hearts and minds of our kids. We
appreciate that. And thank you for working in tandem with
us as parents. So you can be a great teacher
because it is a great calling and it is a
great commission. So thank you both so much for a
wonderful conversation. There's so much more in the book. I
wish I had another hour. I've barely scratched the surface.
Get a copy and learn how you can change the
world by being a great teacher. Thanks, friends. We'll see
(44:16):
you next time.
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