September 30, 2025 • 45 mins
Our culture is undergoing radical change. We see evidence of this cultural revolution all around us as values, norms, language, and laws all shift beneath our feet. But this revolution didn’t come out of nowhere—and it isn’t too late to stop it. Dr Corey Miller will join us to offer an eye-opening look at how our universities have polluted the cultural landscape we live in today—and how Christians can take strategic actions in response.
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Everything is not. Hi, friends.
S1 (02:29):
Welcome to In the Market with Janet Parshall. So glad
we're going to spend the hour together. I have really
been looking forward to this conversation. So let me ask
you a question. Why is it that so many kids
raised in a Bible believing, vibrant Christian home, Sunday school,
mid-week service Awana, they go off to church camp, it's
all there. And then they go off to a secular university,
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and by thanksgiving they come home and they start talking
about things that your little discernment. Geiger counter is going
off on the inside thinking that doesn't seem right. And boy,
that's certainly not something we taught him. Where did he
get that? And then he comes home at Christmas and
it's a little bit more. And the next thing you know,
by the end of his freshman year he goes, well,
that's your idea. That's not my idea. That's your truth.
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That's not my truth. And then you think to yourself,
oh my goodness, we're paying X thousands of dollars every
semester to send this boy to this college so he
can get equipped to go out and engage the world,
to have a job that can put bread on his table,
to sift and weigh and to learn ideas, to decide
how to concretize his worldview. And it's a mess. He's
coming back as an absolute mess. And then you think
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to yourself, could something be going on? Well, I'm here
to tell you, yes, yes. And four exclamation points. That's
how I sell it. But Doctor Corey Miller can tell
you this a whole lot better than I can. And
his brand new book, The Progressive Miseducation of America Confronting
the Cultural Revolution from the classroom to your community. It
is superb. And let me tell you who Corey is.
He grew up in Utah as a seventh generation Mormon.
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He came to Christ, later became a pastor, a philosophy professor,
a campus minister, and now serves as president and CEO
of Ratio Christi. He has authored or edited five books.
Holds not one, not two. Wasn't good enough three. Three
master's degree along with a PhD from the University of
Aberdeen in Scotland. His thought is centered on the intersection
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of faith, reason and culture and we are all the
better for it. Corey, what a joy to have you back, boy.
Not a tiny little booklet here. Thick book, well researched.
How long did it take you to write this one?
S6 (04:32):
Hi, Jack. It's great to be back with you. Uh,
I've been working on this for the last four years
and had it done, but the publisher. Only one opening
for me a year ago now, coming up to release
right on Charlie Kirk's and George Floyd's birthday, ironically.
S1 (04:48):
Wow. Unbelievable. Well, it is a superb book. And, you know, I,
I just gave a stat and I gave a give
a hypothetical, but the stats bear it out. Why is
it that so many Christian kids go off to a
secular college and they lose their faith?
S6 (05:02):
Yeah, I love what you said earlier, but I hate
what you said earlier because parents and both parents and
grandparents are literally paying for the apostasy of their own children.
What happens is you go off to the secular university
you've left. If you've come from a Christian background, you
are leaving your youth group, you're leaving your family, be, uh,
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your traditions, your Christian friends. And on Friday night, you've
got frat row with all the parties, and everybody's wanting
to do that. But you hold fast because you are
a person of faith and you think you know better.
But then Monday through Friday, uh, classroom after classroom after classroom,
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your faith is just getting nailed to the wall by
these secular university professors that are not the professors that
they were even five years ago, certainly not 20 and
25 years ago. The university has been radicalized and we
are living in a revolution because of it.
S1 (06:00):
Yeah. And that's really what the thesis, the primary thesis
of the book is. And then you just teach us
the rest of the way of what we can do
by elucidating the problems. First of all, this would be,
I think, an excellent place for you to tell my
friends exactly what Rachel Christie is all about, because it
dovetails beautifully into this book.
S6 (06:17):
Yeah, the timing is really interesting that it came out now,
as you know, in consequent to what's been happening the
last several weeks on the heels of Charlie Kirk and
so forth. But, um, Rachel Christie has been around about
14 years as a 500 1C3. It means the reason
of Christ. So it is a Christ centered ministry. Uh,
it does apologetics, evangelism. That means answering questions, the big
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questions of why? Why does God allow evil? Does God exist?
Is the Bible reliable? What about race, class, sex, gender, etc.?
How do those relate to the Christian faith? And, um,
we are located in the most influential institution shaping, uh,
civilization that is the university. As go the university, so
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goes the culture, and as goes to us university, so
goes the world. So we've got a high school division
that works well with churches and home schools and, uh, parents.
And then we've got our standard college division, uh, with
100 plus campuses across the country, internationally, in 15 countries.
We've got a professors division. We have a press now
with about 60 booklet resources, and we have our new
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top secret vision that I can't name what it is,
but we have been now placing, uh, bright PhD students
in the top 100 universities to launch PhD student only
chapters with the hope in 40 to 50 years to
reclaim the universities.
S1 (07:42):
Amen. I love your ministry. I'm so thankful for it.
Thank you for that. And that's why I think you're
this is really your heartbeat for why you wrote this
book about the progressive miseducation of America. You said something earlier.
I want to underscore it, and I want people who
don't believe you to repeat the statement and then explain
why it's truth. As the universities go, so go the culture.
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How and why do educational institutions have such a forbearance
on forming culture?
S6 (08:10):
Well, you think about it from the universities come the brightest,
come the leaders are K through 12 educators, including those
that are going into the Christian schools, are getting educated
from the universities. And these are Marxist colleges. These colleges
of education, they've been targeted for a couple of decades now.
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You get our dentists or doctors or lawyers, our media,
our future professors, and even our world leaders, 1 in
3 world leaders, presidents, ministers, dictators, you name it. Got
an academic degree from a US university. So we say
that as goes, so goes the culture. But as goes
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to US university, so goes the world. So this is
literally ground zero for shaping the entire world.
S1 (09:00):
Mhm. And exactly. And people need to understand that and
that's why the kids get changed. But there's something to
the professors that are there as well when we come
back and the book is massive. Friends, I want you
to know this. There's no way I'm going to get
through all of Corey's book, which is superb, because it
means you get a chance to really roll up your
sleeves and understand this, particularly if you have a child
that's gone off to college. If you're about to send
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one out the door, if you care about what happens
to the culture and the impact between these educational institutions
and the culture, then you want to read Corey's book.
It's fabulous. So when we come back, it's a small
four letter word woke. It's how you start the book,
define it and explain why this has consequential impacts. Doctor
Corey Miller is our guest. He's written the brand new book,
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The Progressive Miseducation of America. Timely. It's a wake up call.
But he's not without hope when he writes it back
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or go to in the market with Janet Parshall. Doctor
Corey Miller is with us. He happens to be the
man who is the president and CEO of Ratio Christi.
The reason of Christ. It's about apologetics. He does a
superb job and he really understands the impact of education
on the culture. The corollary there, and that's why he's
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teaching people in demographic ages that start at the high
school level, all the way up through PhDs to be
able to influence and occupy on college campuses. And that
needs to be done. Which is why, by the way,
he wrote the book The Progressive Miseducation of America, and
it is a well researched, seminal text on what is
happening on college campuses all across the country. He divides
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the book up into three parts. What just happened? Number two,
how did we get there? Number three, how should we respond?
This is why I said just before the break, we
are not without hope when you read a book like this,
but I think there's some basic rudimentary stuff we have
to talk about. And I think, no pun intended, in
the education world, we're going to start with a one
on one class, and that's woke 101. You know, people
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hear that word, and if they're not actively engaged in
the culture, if they don't have a young person who
uses that word in their vocabulary, if they're not quite
sure how that shows up in the culture, define that
for us, if you would, Corey.
S6 (11:41):
It's simply making sacred victim classes. Asses and then giving
them the position of power because they have some kind
of secret knowledge to be able to speak. So woke
refers to the eyes being opened up, sort of like
the enlightenment. Um, when I define die, I prefer to
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do it die. Not just for rhetorical reasons, uh, but
for philosophical reasons. As a trained philosopher and theologian, I
look at things from three branches of philosophy, which are metaphysics,
or what is real epistemology, or how do we know
what is real? And then ethics. And on the first one,
this is where D comes in for diversity. What the
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experts mean, what the academic elites that are spreading this
stuff mean is that you in social justice ideology, you
believe that people everywhere exist in social binaries that are
juxtaposed in conflicting relationships along the axes of race, class, sex, gender, ethnicity,
City ability, religion and so forth. And for every social
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group there is an opposite group. And the biggest problem
is oppression. Well, once you see the diversification of all
those groups, your next step is to move into the
second branch. And that is how do I know? We know. Well,
you go ask the woke people because only they have
the eyes that are open. They're awake. That's because they
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are part of the victim class. So if they're black
versus white, woman versus man, uh, transgender versus cisgender, atheist
versus theist and so forth. And so you then choose
to exclude oppressor groups, the majoritarian groups that are necessarily
oppressing the other groups, even if you don't think you
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are and you give, uh, privilege now, um, to these
oppressed groups, it's a virtuous victimology, we might say. And
then finally, what's the answer? The answer is equity or
social justice. Because these are all social groups or identity groups.
This is where identity power or identity politics comes in.
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The problem is oppression. The solution is liberation through social justice.
And that means a coercive rebalancing of the privilege, privilege
and powers that belong to these alleged oppressed groups. That's
what's happening right now. This is what's come down to
the universities from the current ideological revolution that the universities
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are experiencing. The second one of two.
S1 (14:15):
Yeah. Wow. Okay, so, um, excellent explanation, but there's nothing
new under the sun. And when you talk about these things,
particularly creating two classes of the oppressed and the oppressor,
that isn't a 21st century idea. That's Marxism. Ideas don't
spring out ex nihilo. So talk to me about how
this idea, which has been around for a long time now,
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has found fertile field in the in the gardens of education.
S6 (14:42):
Oh, gosh, The gardens of Education and the gardens of
the church.
S1 (14:45):
Yes.
S6 (14:45):
Um, so, uh, this is step two. So in in
the first revolution in the universities, we started the universities.
And I go through the entire history of that from
Harvard on down. But in the first revolution, about 200
years after it began, we didn't have any, um, uh,
PhD programs in America. So we sent our best and
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brightest to Germany. And that was the most formally educated
country in the history of the world. And the ideas
going through the German universities at this time. Well, you
can see what happened in World War two, but they
educated our people, sent them back to Harvard, Princeton and Yale.
They won the battle. They took over after 50 years, 1930s.
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The dust was just settling in America. But in the 1930s,
right at that time when scientific naturalism was now the
reigning power in the universities, and it gave us liberal
theology and for the churches, it gave us the social gospel.
The second revolution was just starting over in Germany with
this little city called Frankfurt. Frankfurt School of critical theory.
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We have critical race theory, critical gender theory, critical queer theory,
critical pedagogy. If it starts with critical, it's not critical thinking.
It's bad news. Run from it. And these founders were
Jewish and they were globalist socialists, not national socialists. They
were commies, not Nazis. They were Antifa. And these guys decided, okay,
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we need to expand the ranks here. It can't just
be about economics and class. Rich and poor, haves and
have nots, victim and victimizers, oppressor and oppressed. They said
it's got to be all of the soft tissue of culture. Uh,
the categories of race, class, sex, gender, ethnicity and so forth.
But we're going to have to do the long march
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through the institutions in the West if we're ever going
to take the West, because the West is different from East.
You can't do a Russian or a Chinese revolution like
the East. And so to do that, you need to
launch into academia, media and ekklesia into the churches. And
now we've seen this stuff get into the churches, the
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Christian academic societies, the campus ministries and the seminaries. We
might just well say the barbarians are no longer at
the gates. It's in the citadel.
S1 (17:01):
Yeah, yeah, 100%. Well, I'm going to come up to
a break. Corey, help me understand this. I'm a typical firstborn. Why? Questions?
Why did it find fertile fields? In other words, if
these are old ideas, if you take it back to
the Frankfurt School, you can talk about some of the
Italian socialists as well, folded into all of that. Why
has it found a resurgence now and in the 21st century?
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Why is this suddenly being accepted when so many of
these ideas would have been historically in this country, at least, anathema?
Look at the answer to that question when we return
with Doctor Corey Miller right after this. We're spending the
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hour with Doctor Corey Miller, who is the president and
CEO of Rachel Christie. Reason of Christ. Wonderful apologetics ministry,
by the way. He's a great author. He has authored
or edited five books and holds not one but three
master's degrees, as well as a PhD from the University
of Aberdeen in Scotland. His latest book, Excuse Me, is
a wake up call really takes a look at these
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fertile grounds that are growing kids to be Marxist, if
I can put it simply. Um, it is an education now.
It is indoctrination. There's a distinctive it isn't about critical thinking.
It is about advancing Victimology. Um, it's protest without reason.
And we're seeing this over and over and over again.
The book is called The Progressive Miseducation of America. So
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the question I asked before is, again, there's this idea
of critical theory. And I'm so glad, Corey, you took
a moment to elucidate the various aspects of this. Critical
race theory is just one of a panoply of critical theories.
There's even critical legal theory out there. But the core
element in all of this is the idea that there's
an oppressor and there's the oppressed. Which raises my question
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that I asked just before the break, why is that now?
Finding acceptance on college campuses? What was the attractive nature
of that philosophy that made people say, yep, that's what
I'm going to sign up for.
S6 (19:22):
Yeah. So the colleges remember the first revolution had happened
between 1880 and 1930. And so they won. Naturalism or
scientific naturalism had taken over the universities. And in the
last 20 years, uh, the first 20 of this century. Essentially,
you had the apex of that revolution, and that's where
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you had new atheists, Richard Dawkins and others with their
so-called reign of Terror. And so they laid the groundwork
for this stuff. Well, what was happening from the 1930s
onward is it was starting to emerge not only in Germany, uh,
with these Jewish leaders, but who were socialistic and Marxist socialist,
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not National Socialist. When Hitler rose to power, they had
to get out of town. Where'd they go? Columbia University,
Brandeis University, UCLA, and so forth. Down south from them
in Italy was someone who made the most dangerous cultural Marxist,
Antonio Gramsci, so dangerous. But he never got out of
prison when Mussolini there. But his prison notes got translated
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right here in my state of Indiana at Notre Dame
University by a Marxist professor named Joseph Buttigieg, father of
Mayor Pete. So this is critical queer theory that we're
talking about now, not just homosexuality that Pete brought with
him into the into the government. Um, and with that,
you also had about 15 years later, uh, you might
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call this the Vichy government. Uh, France in World War two, uh,
post-modernism was founded in France by people like Foucault and Derrida, Deconstructionism, um,
and Lyotard. And they believed that truth is reducible to power. Um,
they infused, along with the other critical theorists, Freudian sexuality
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and neo-Marxist thought. But these postmodernists, uh, were also card
carrying members of the French Communist Party or sympathizers with it.
So this whole group, it's an amalgam now of postmodern
cultural Marxism. They all came over to the best U.S. universities,
and they began to take over primarily in the social
sciences and the humanities. They tried their best through the
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60s sexual revolution. In fact, it was them that were
leading the way. They didn't quite make it the 70s.
They said, okay, we need to think through this better. Uh,
the workers of the world, unite used to mean the
factory floor workers in classical Marxism. But it now needs
to be the elite in the universities. And they begin
talking about the long march through the institutions. And so
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in the 90s, they were already infiltrating all of the
best campuses. The ratio of liberal to conservative professor at
that time was 2.3 to 1. It's still severe, but
there's still checks and balances. Now, three decades later, it
is 12 to 1 for those retiring, 23 to 1
for those who just got tenure, 27 to 1 in
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the Ivy leagues. Yale just announced last month that in
their social sciences and humanities, it's 78 to 1. Whoa.
So this is what our parents and pastors are up
against if we're going to send our kids train them
up in the way they should go. And when they
get to university, they get conscripted and work for the
other side. That's what's happening.
S1 (22:41):
Wow. Is it happening organically? Is this constructed? Are there
super players in this that are making it happen? Um,
or is this just something because we've kicked God out
of everything in our culture, that nature abhors a vacuum.
And so Marxism steps in boldly.
S6 (22:59):
That's exactly it. And Janet, in 2019, before George Floyd
died and critical racism took over as a result of
the trigger of that and Covid took over, uh, I
had already had our ministry published something on critical theory.
I think we were the first ministry in the country
to get anything out there. And I began an alliance
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with one of my arch enemies at the time, Peter Bogosian, uh,
a famous atheist philosopher at Portland State University. We both
saw greater enemy than each other on the horizon, and
it was going to quickly come about. We started a
lecture tour together. He's a liberal atheist. I'm a conservative Christian.
He was part of the New Atheist movement, and he
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told me that he and Richard Dawkins and others talked
about this. They knew that if they wiped out the
god or gods of the West or some other god
or gods would replace, but they never had any idea
how bad it would become. So they paved the way
for this. But this dry scientific scientism stuff, it was
just too dry. People knew there was something missing. We
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wanted meaning. We wanted passion. We wanted a purpose in life.
And that's where the social justice stuff came up. And
they're pushing out the liberals now because illiberal, they're Marxist.
It's not liberalism anymore. It's not American. It comes from
a different territory ideology.
S1 (24:18):
Hundred percent. That's why your book is so timely, Corey.
It's called The Progressive Miseducation of America Confronting the Cultural Revolution,
from the classroom to your community. It's right there on
our information page. By the way, I have a link
to Rachel Christie so you can learn more about this
fabulous apologetics ministry as well. I'm so thankful I have
Doctor Corey Miller for the entire hour, and the hour
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is going far too quickly. We'll pick it up at
this point on the other side of the break. Stick around.
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market with Janet Parshall. Oh. So glad to be spending
the hour with Doctor Corey Miller, who grew up in
Utah as a seventh generation Mormon. Corey and I have
had great conversations about this in the past. By the way,
he came to Christ, later became a pastor, a philosophy professor,
a campus minister, and now serves as the president of
Ratio Christi, which is a wonderful apologetics ministry. He's authored
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or edited five books, holds three master's degree as well
as a PhD from the University of Aberdeen. And his
latest book is so timely. It's called The Progressive Miseducation
of America Confronting the Cultural Revolution from the classroom to
your community. Teachers a must read parents whose kids are
about to go off to college or have gone off
to college. A must read. Uh, teachers who follow Christ
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be encouraged that you understand that your classroom is a
mission field. And it's not necessarily designed to be easy,
but it's a mission field nonetheless, which I was thinking
during the break. Corey. So with this current administration, there's
an EO, an executive order that said, if you push
this dye stuff on college campuses through the Department of Education,
we're going to cut your federal funding. I don't know
of any educational institution anywhere who can't use more money.
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And yet, despite that, there have been declared pushbacks and
even hiring in some cases at some universities to bring
in a Dei specialist. Now, I find that fascinating and
troubling at the same time. So in other words, if
it's been decided that your federal funding is going to
be cut off because the idea here is if you
put your hand in the cookie jar, the government tells
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you what cookie you get to take. And so in
this case, it's the cookie you have to take as
you take out Dei. And yet some universities are pushing ahead.
What does that tell you about the commitment to their worldview?
Because Rachel Christie is all about building a biblical worldview.
Some of these people, the heads of universities, positions of
powers are saying, we don't care. We're going to do
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it anyway. That is particularly disturbing to me.
S6 (27:28):
Well, they realized just as Hitler said, give me the
textbooks and I will control Germany or Abraham Lincoln. The
philosophy in the classroom today becomes the philosophy of the
culture tomorrow. They own the educational institutions, and even we
might see some pushback in the corporate world and in culture,
because we're exhausted. Over the last five years of we've
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been experiencing this stuff has been in the universities for decades.
It's only come out in recent times. And I can
tell you that what has happened in the university yesterday
is what we're experiencing today. You don't have any idea
what's coming out tomorrow. I'm seeing it right now. And Harvard,
for example, had 100 die or die, as it were, officers,
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full time, 40 to 60 hour a week, employees doing
nothing but being political commissars with the hammer and sickle.
They've got $52 billion. That's more than the GDP of
half of the countries in the world, so they can
tell the government where to go. Uh, they want to
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keep the high ground. They control the future if they
control the education. And so even while there's pushback and
it seems like a a retreat, it's at best a
tactical retreat. Uh, this is putting lipstick on pigs. They're
they're rewording things. They're, uh, you know, moving from one
room to the next room and so forth. Unless we
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go in and we reclaim and do institutional recapture and
infiltrate the universities, we're not going to change the culture.
S1 (29:01):
Yeah. I couldn't agree with you more. And again, this
doesn't just happen on secular universities. You're seeing some solid,
historically solid Christian campuses where it's working its way in
as well. Which raises an interesting question. I'm not a conspiratorial.
I believe in the one that was written about in
the book of Genesis. That's the conspiracy that I believe in.
But is there a question that some of these schools
are taking foreign money who want to see America fall
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under the weight of Marxism? So we'll fund these Dei programs.
S6 (29:28):
Oh, absolutely. And they're not just secular schools either. I mean,
a lot of our Christian schools that were planted right
after the first ideological revolutionary takeover in the universities, we
then went and planted Westminster and Calvin College and Wheaton
and Biola, those colleges now to one degree or another
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with respect to almost all of them, to one degree
or another, are experiencing fissures and cracks. Uh, because of
this second ideological revolution, it has infiltrated their ranks and
in some cases taken them over, uh, some of those
Christian institutes. I would rather go to Harvard because at
least I know what to expect and can get my
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defenses up. Some of those Christian schools, you're going to
get taken because you don't know how far they've gone.
So parents need to be doing their homework. There are
resources out there to help them to understand which ones
have been more severely impacted and which ones haven't. But
either way, Janet, people cannot hide from this stuff anymore. Uh,
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even if you're not called to go into the universities
like I am and many others. Everybody needs to prepare
for the ideological poison coming out of the universities, because
it's coming into our churches. It's coming into our our
places of work. It's coming into our homes and dividing families.
I mean, think about the trans stuff right now. There
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are more trans middle schoolers today than middle schoolers in existence,
it seems like. And what happens is they go play
the guilt rhetoric that they learn on TikTok with the
parents and that is mom, dad or grandma and grandpa.
Would you rather have a dead son or a living daughter?
You choose. And then suddenly the parents or grandparents start
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to go progressive, just trying to keep that lifeline attached
to their kid. Uh, so you can't escape this stuff.
You need to prepare for it. But as the Apostle
Paul says about being aware of false philosophy, to be aware,
you have to first be aware. And that's what I
try to make them aware of in my book, so
they know how to deal with it.
S1 (31:36):
That's why I appreciate your ministry so much. You know,
you can't measure crooked ideas unless you have the straight
stick of truth, and that's what you're teaching them. So
what do you tell kids? Because you deal a lot
with kids and they're on a college campus. And what
the the student is in a particularly precarious position because
they sit under Damocles sword. You are going to spit
back what I taught you, what I indoctrinated in you,
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or you're going to fail this class, and you need
this class to keep your GPA up or to get
into a grad program. And so I have the cudgel
of your grade, and I can flag your report, your
blue paper report, that you're going to turn in at
the end of the semester because you didn't spit back hook,
line and sinker. Um, everything that we wanted to indoctrinate
you with, that's, um, my my firstborn spent the first
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semester at a secular university. She was sitting in a
geography class, a geology class, and it took the man
four and a half nanoseconds to start pumping the idea
of evolution. Midterm came, she wrote, jot and tittle everything
he taught and then said, but turned over the paper
and then said, this is what I believe. He gave
her an A, and I don't know if he would
have done it today, but he gave her an A
because he said, you told me everything that I taught you,
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but then you also told me what you believed. So
you get an A for doing it now. But she
needed the A. But what do you do for kids
who are sitting there knowing that they're going to be
punished by a grade? It isn't just the marketplace of ideas.
There's an outcome a student has to get, and it's
a GPA to get the degree, the grad school, whatever.
S6 (32:59):
Look, we, uh, we have a theology of litigation. Uh,
we are partnered with Alliance Defending Freedom and others. We
I've had over 150 legal inquiries. I've had to defend
myself as a professor. Uh, but we've had four federal victories,
five appellate court victories, two Scotus assists. And we left
Joe Biden and his Department of Education a nice parting
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gift of litigation for years after he began his term. Um,
we'd love to help people understand how to appeal to
Caesar for their Roman citizenship, so to speak. But sometimes
students parents aren't thinking about that, and sometimes to become
casualties of war. So that's what our college prep division does,
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is it helps students that are going to go off
to university not just to survive, but to thrive when
they get there or others. For parents listening right now
or grandparents get on our website, get your kids, uh,
connected to our chapters at these universities or, or help
us start chapters. And not only do we have chapters
there to help, uh, so we're like a special ops ministry.
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What separates us from other apologetics ministries is that we're
on the campus. What separates us from other campus ministries
is that we focus on the big ideas, and we're
seeing people come to Christ that are professors, uh, students.
I talked to one chapter director today in the Midwest.
He's seeing about 15 students per week getting saved. There's
an openness right now if we can give them answers
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to their questions and we do have the truth, and
now we have a product line and you can find
it on our website. Instead of reading, just say, a
500 page book on intelligent design by Steve Meier. We can, Steve,
to give that to us in 25 pages with 11th
grade reading level. And we do that in our booklet.
We do the same thing with the resurrection, same thing
with the problem of evil. Uh, on trans, same thing. Uh,
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we've got a gal who did her PhD on it
and was former trans. We have another gal who is lesbian,
and now she's a Christian, did her PhD on it,
25 pages, 11th grade reading level. We've got these on race, class, sex, gender, ethnicity.
They're digital or printable. Uh, you can even just give
us your email address. We'll send out propaganda monthly, but
you can download every one of these booklets for free
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on our website. So we have given resources for parents, grandparents, homeschools.
Sean McDowell uses our booklets for his apologetics class at Biola.
I know Purdue professors across the street from me here
that use booklets with other professors just for brown bag
lunch time. So from high schools to home schools to
university professors, these things are readable. They're written by some
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of the best authors, and they're accessible and they're not
500 pages, they're just 25 pages. They answer the questions.
S1 (35:40):
Wow. So I have a link to everything that you
just heard Corey say. I have a link to Rachel
Christy on the website. It's r a t I o
c h r I s t I o g. If
you're driving, if you're making supper right now and you
can't write it down, that's okay. It's all there on
our information page, just go to In the market with
Janet Parshall and the summation of the two hours we
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do every day. There's a red box. It says program
details and audio. Click that on. It takes you to
the information page. There's a much longer bio for Doctor
Corey Miller for you to read. There a link again
to the website for Rachel Christy. And on the right
hand side there's the cover of the book and a
direct link for you to click on through so that
you can get your copy as well. It's called the
Progressive Miseducation of America Confronting the Cultural Revolution from the
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classroom to your community. Let me take a break. And
when we come back because you were talking about you
were implying contending for the faith. But it's the idea
that Christianity can stand on its own two feet. And
you point out that Christianity isn't just a faith tradition,
it's also a knowledge tradition. I want you to explain
that to our guests what we mean by that. So
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when we're told in that little but important book of
Jude to contend for the faith, this is what we're doing.
We're learning how to contend, know what we believe, why
we believe it, and engaging in Athens, Jerusalem, Rome, Babylon, Washington, D.C., Princeton, Harvard, Yale,
all of that. We'll be.
S5 (37:02):
Back.
S1 (37:22):
Always enjoy spending time with doctor Corey Miller, president and
CEO of Ratio Christi. And he's the author of the
new book, The Progressive Miseducation of America, subtitled Confronting the
Cultural Revolution From the Classroom to Your Community. And let
me go back full circle to where we started our conversation.
Corey made a very important point when you need to
hang on to, which is really and truly, as the
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university goes, so goes the culture. So one way or another,
you're going to intersect with this somewhere along the line.
But I want to switch to the positive on this.
And that's what you do in the third section of
the book. Corey, and I thank you so much for
not just elucidating the problem, but for providing the solution.
And part of that is answering the question I posited
just before the break, which is Christianity isn't just a
faith tradition, it's a knowledge tradition. What do you mean
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by that?
S6 (38:06):
Yeah, when I left Mormonism and I had to start
looking around to figure out what's next. If I was
deceived for so long, and I was taught that the
Bible is is false, unless, you know, you hear from
the prophets. And we had prophets and apostles. Their prophet
just died the other day. It was 101 years old. Um,
but but, um, I didn't know if the Bible was
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trustworthy anymore. I didn't know if God even existed. And
so I entered this skepticism for a time until I
found this thing called Christian apologetics. And it just blew
my mind. And now I've been on a 30 year
trajectory of studying philosophy and comparative religions. This pursuit of truth,
I realized, and I wrote about this in my book.
I found a report card a little while back that
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I had a 0.666. I kid you not, um, I
was not an intellectual in the least bit, but now
I needed truth. And Jesus said in John 17 three,
this is the purpose to life, to know God. Christianity
is a knowledge tradition. It is not a faith tradition,
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not faith in a blind sense or a barren sense.
The Christian faith is reasonable and fruitful, not blind and barren.
We need to stop with this menace of mindless Christianity
that has sobered us for the last century in evangelical Christianity. Uh,
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Mark Noll wrote a book about 30 years ago called
The Scandal of the Evangelical Mind and the scandal, that
there isn't much of an evangelical mind, and that's kind
of how we've allowed this stuff to creep in. We
love God with our heart and our hands, but not
with our heads. And yet, Jesus, if you want to
follow Jesus said, Love God with all your mind as well.
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And first Peter 315 says, be prepared to give an
answer for everyone who asks you for the reason for
the hope that's in you, and do it with gentleness
and respect. There you have the head, heart, and hands.
And so I get into the third part of the
book and I say, we need to be starting to
show the world that Christianity is not oppressive, not vile,
not wicked, not brainless, but that it is good for
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the world, that it is reasonable and that it is true.
And then I have a clarion call to, uh, professors
and educators, to pastors, to parents and grandparents, to parish churches,
to political allies, to philanthropists and donors and to prayers.
All hands on deck. It's the university, stupid again. Even
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if you're not called to go in, you need to
prepare for what's coming out. You cannot escape it.
S1 (40:41):
Yeah. Could not agree more. By the way, can I
just underscore what you said before we talk about what
you elucidated to earlier all the time on this program,
which is the idea that it's not an either or proposition.
It is a both end. Our heart is transformed, but
our mind is renewed. The Bible tells us to gird
our loins, but it also tells us to gird our mind.
And when we're told to get wisdom, so I we
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that's a blessing. And we're also told that if we
ask it, we get it liberally. But I often hear,
and I've heard this for decades, that no, no, no, no,
People like you and I would make Christianity oh so academic.
It's a position of the heart. Again, I would say
I understand linear thinking and I appreciate it, but it
can be a both end rather than an either or,
can it not?
S6 (41:23):
Absolutely. And the whole problem is that too many pastors,
not all are are dropping the ball. They're shepherds that
have been sold out to fads and fetishes, skinny jeans
and fog machines, um, on the worship times or into
this social justice nonsense which is a gospel of grievances,
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not a gospel of grace. And so here's what's happened
as a result out of Arizona Christian University. They do
a biblical worldview survey every year in 2022, they said 6%
of Americans hold to a biblical worldview. And and this
is not trivial stuff. It's like that God exists, that
Jesus is the only way, the Bible is the Word
of God, etc., etc. only 6% of Americans hold this.
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A year later it's 4%, but 37% of American pastors
hold it. And I guess the good news is that
51 to 57% of evangelical or non-denominational pastors hold it.
That's pathetic. Only half of our evangelical pastors hold that. Well,
no wonder we're having problems. We're trying to love God
with hands and heart, but not our head. And so
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we're sucking wind with all of these false philosophies that
have just entered into our system. We need what we're
doing is we are looking through the lens of sociology
and culture for our sermons and for our discipleship, rather
than the lens of theology and scripture.
S1 (42:45):
Yeah. Amen and amen. So what do you say to
the person who says, if you look at the eschatological timeline,
things are going to get worse before they get better?
This is all part of what everything is going to
do when it looks like it's collapsing in our culture.
And so you might have little episodes of victories, but
the reality is we are going to decompensate as a culture. Um,
and we shouldn't be bothering to fight or the, antithesis
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of that argument is going to be we completely pull
a Christian witness off of these secular universities, excuse me.
And we only send them to Christian colleges, but oh wait,
buyer beware. You better make sure that that is a bedrock,
solid Christian college. So I don't see fleeing as an
option here. How do we win this?
S6 (43:25):
No, it is winnable. Uh, that's a defeatist mentality. If
we're going to adopt that, we might as well just
help them along. We can have more blind faith that way.
S5 (43:34):
Um, but.
S6 (43:35):
No, the the fact that there was one revolution that
pushed the majority out and there's now a second one,
it shows that it can happen again. Places people like
Al Mohler took over a liberal seminary. We're seeing we're
seeing progress happen. And I want to be able to
encourage people that it's onward Christian soldier, not retreat.
S1 (43:54):
Yeah. Amen and amen. Thank you, Corey, for the work
that you do. Thank you for your love of apologetics.
What a story yours is personally, to go from being
a seventh generation Mormon to now having multiple masters in
a and a PhD and being on fire for the
whole idea of apologetics and training up young people to
contend for the faith. It's marvelous. I'm so glad that
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we know each other and always appreciate our time together
on air. So the website you just heard Corey talk
about all these resources that are available. Rachel Christie dot
o r a t I o n r a t
I o c h I s t.org. They're on the website,
but the new book is called The Progressive Operative Word
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Miseducation of America, subtitled confronting which is not a passive
Word Confronting the Cultural Revolution from the classroom to Your community.
That subtitle is there on purpose because, as Corey just said,
this is winnable. So we influence and occupy. We let
our light so shine before men. We seek the welfare
of the city. It's all out there. But the most
important thing Corey said is you got to start here
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by being grounded in his word. You can't contend if
you don't know it. Corey. Thank you. Thanks, friends. We'll
see you next time.
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Everything is not. Hi, friends.
S1 (02:29):
Welcome to In the Market with Janet Parshall. So glad
we're going to spend the hour together. I have really
been looking forward to this conversation. So let me ask
you a question. Why is it that so many kids
raised in a Bible believing, vibrant Christian home, Sunday school,
mid-week service Awana, they go off to church camp, it's
all there. And then they go off to a secular university,
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and by thanksgiving they come home and they start talking
about things that your little discernment. Geiger counter is going
off on the inside thinking that doesn't seem right. And boy,
that's certainly not something we taught him. Where did he
get that? And then he comes home at Christmas and
it's a little bit more. And the next thing you know,
by the end of his freshman year he goes, well,
that's your idea. That's not my idea. That's your truth.
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That's not my truth. And then you think to yourself,
oh my goodness, we're paying X thousands of dollars every
semester to send this boy to this college so he
can get equipped to go out and engage the world,
to have a job that can put bread on his table,
to sift and weigh and to learn ideas, to decide
how to concretize his worldview. And it's a mess. He's
coming back as an absolute mess. And then you think
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to yourself, could something be going on? Well, I'm here
to tell you, yes, yes. And four exclamation points. That's
how I sell it. But Doctor Corey Miller can tell
you this a whole lot better than I can. And
his brand new book, The Progressive Miseducation of America Confronting
the Cultural Revolution from the classroom to your community. It
is superb. And let me tell you who Corey is.
He grew up in Utah as a seventh generation Mormon.
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He came to Christ, later became a pastor, a philosophy professor,
a campus minister, and now serves as president and CEO
of Ratio Christi. He has authored or edited five books.
Holds not one, not two. Wasn't good enough three. Three
master's degree along with a PhD from the University of
Aberdeen in Scotland. His thought is centered on the intersection
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of faith, reason and culture and we are all the
better for it. Corey, what a joy to have you back, boy.
Not a tiny little booklet here. Thick book, well researched.
How long did it take you to write this one?
S6 (04:32):
Hi, Jack. It's great to be back with you. Uh,
I've been working on this for the last four years
and had it done, but the publisher. Only one opening
for me a year ago now, coming up to release
right on Charlie Kirk's and George Floyd's birthday, ironically.
S1 (04:48):
Wow. Unbelievable. Well, it is a superb book. And, you know, I,
I just gave a stat and I gave a give
a hypothetical, but the stats bear it out. Why is
it that so many Christian kids go off to a
secular college and they lose their faith?
S6 (05:02):
Yeah, I love what you said earlier, but I hate
what you said earlier because parents and both parents and
grandparents are literally paying for the apostasy of their own children.
What happens is you go off to the secular university
you've left. If you've come from a Christian background, you
are leaving your youth group, you're leaving your family, be, uh,
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your traditions, your Christian friends. And on Friday night, you've
got frat row with all the parties, and everybody's wanting
to do that. But you hold fast because you are
a person of faith and you think you know better.
But then Monday through Friday, uh, classroom after classroom after classroom,
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your faith is just getting nailed to the wall by
these secular university professors that are not the professors that
they were even five years ago, certainly not 20 and
25 years ago. The university has been radicalized and we
are living in a revolution because of it.
S1 (06:00):
Yeah. And that's really what the thesis, the primary thesis
of the book is. And then you just teach us
the rest of the way of what we can do
by elucidating the problems. First of all, this would be,
I think, an excellent place for you to tell my
friends exactly what Rachel Christie is all about, because it
dovetails beautifully into this book.
S6 (06:17):
Yeah, the timing is really interesting that it came out now,
as you know, in consequent to what's been happening the
last several weeks on the heels of Charlie Kirk and
so forth. But, um, Rachel Christie has been around about
14 years as a 500 1C3. It means the reason
of Christ. So it is a Christ centered ministry. Uh,
it does apologetics, evangelism. That means answering questions, the big
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questions of why? Why does God allow evil? Does God exist?
Is the Bible reliable? What about race, class, sex, gender, etc.?
How do those relate to the Christian faith? And, um,
we are located in the most influential institution shaping, uh,
civilization that is the university. As go the university, so
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goes the culture, and as goes to us university, so
goes the world. So we've got a high school division
that works well with churches and home schools and, uh, parents.
And then we've got our standard college division, uh, with
100 plus campuses across the country, internationally, in 15 countries.
We've got a professors division. We have a press now
with about 60 booklet resources, and we have our new
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top secret vision that I can't name what it is,
but we have been now placing, uh, bright PhD students
in the top 100 universities to launch PhD student only
chapters with the hope in 40 to 50 years to
reclaim the universities.
S1 (07:42):
Amen. I love your ministry. I'm so thankful for it.
Thank you for that. And that's why I think you're
this is really your heartbeat for why you wrote this
book about the progressive miseducation of America. You said something earlier.
I want to underscore it, and I want people who
don't believe you to repeat the statement and then explain
why it's truth. As the universities go, so go the culture.
(08:03):
How and why do educational institutions have such a forbearance
on forming culture?
S6 (08:10):
Well, you think about it from the universities come the brightest,
come the leaders are K through 12 educators, including those
that are going into the Christian schools, are getting educated
from the universities. And these are Marxist colleges. These colleges
of education, they've been targeted for a couple of decades now.
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You get our dentists or doctors or lawyers, our media,
our future professors, and even our world leaders, 1 in
3 world leaders, presidents, ministers, dictators, you name it. Got
an academic degree from a US university. So we say
that as goes, so goes the culture. But as goes
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to US university, so goes the world. So this is
literally ground zero for shaping the entire world.
S1 (09:00):
Mhm. And exactly. And people need to understand that and
that's why the kids get changed. But there's something to
the professors that are there as well when we come
back and the book is massive. Friends, I want you
to know this. There's no way I'm going to get
through all of Corey's book, which is superb, because it
means you get a chance to really roll up your
sleeves and understand this, particularly if you have a child
that's gone off to college. If you're about to send
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one out the door, if you care about what happens
to the culture and the impact between these educational institutions
and the culture, then you want to read Corey's book.
It's fabulous. So when we come back, it's a small
four letter word woke. It's how you start the book,
define it and explain why this has consequential impacts. Doctor
Corey Miller is our guest. He's written the brand new book,
(09:42):
The Progressive Miseducation of America. Timely. It's a wake up call.
But he's not without hope when he writes it back
after this. When Jesus taught about fasting, he didn't say,
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if you fast. He said, when you fast, Jesus put
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or go to in the market with Janet Parshall. Doctor
Corey Miller is with us. He happens to be the
man who is the president and CEO of Ratio Christi.
The reason of Christ. It's about apologetics. He does a
superb job and he really understands the impact of education
on the culture. The corollary there, and that's why he's
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teaching people in demographic ages that start at the high
school level, all the way up through PhDs to be
able to influence and occupy on college campuses. And that
needs to be done. Which is why, by the way,
he wrote the book The Progressive Miseducation of America, and
it is a well researched, seminal text on what is
happening on college campuses all across the country. He divides
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the book up into three parts. What just happened? Number two,
how did we get there? Number three, how should we respond?
This is why I said just before the break, we
are not without hope when you read a book like this,
but I think there's some basic rudimentary stuff we have
to talk about. And I think, no pun intended, in
the education world, we're going to start with a one
on one class, and that's woke 101. You know, people
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hear that word, and if they're not actively engaged in
the culture, if they don't have a young person who
uses that word in their vocabulary, if they're not quite
sure how that shows up in the culture, define that
for us, if you would, Corey.
S6 (11:41):
It's simply making sacred victim classes. Asses and then giving
them the position of power because they have some kind
of secret knowledge to be able to speak. So woke
refers to the eyes being opened up, sort of like
the enlightenment. Um, when I define die, I prefer to
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do it die. Not just for rhetorical reasons, uh, but
for philosophical reasons. As a trained philosopher and theologian, I
look at things from three branches of philosophy, which are metaphysics,
or what is real epistemology, or how do we know
what is real? And then ethics. And on the first one,
this is where D comes in for diversity. What the
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experts mean, what the academic elites that are spreading this
stuff mean is that you in social justice ideology, you
believe that people everywhere exist in social binaries that are
juxtaposed in conflicting relationships along the axes of race, class, sex, gender, ethnicity,
City ability, religion and so forth. And for every social
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group there is an opposite group. And the biggest problem
is oppression. Well, once you see the diversification of all
those groups, your next step is to move into the
second branch. And that is how do I know? We know. Well,
you go ask the woke people because only they have
the eyes that are open. They're awake. That's because they
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are part of the victim class. So if they're black
versus white, woman versus man, uh, transgender versus cisgender, atheist
versus theist and so forth. And so you then choose
to exclude oppressor groups, the majoritarian groups that are necessarily
oppressing the other groups, even if you don't think you
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are and you give, uh, privilege now, um, to these
oppressed groups, it's a virtuous victimology, we might say. And
then finally, what's the answer? The answer is equity or
social justice. Because these are all social groups or identity groups.
This is where identity power or identity politics comes in.
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The problem is oppression. The solution is liberation through social justice.
And that means a coercive rebalancing of the privilege, privilege
and powers that belong to these alleged oppressed groups. That's
what's happening right now. This is what's come down to
the universities from the current ideological revolution that the universities
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are experiencing. The second one of two.
S1 (14:15):
Yeah. Wow. Okay, so, um, excellent explanation, but there's nothing
new under the sun. And when you talk about these things,
particularly creating two classes of the oppressed and the oppressor,
that isn't a 21st century idea. That's Marxism. Ideas don't
spring out ex nihilo. So talk to me about how
this idea, which has been around for a long time now,
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has found fertile field in the in the gardens of education.
S6 (14:42):
Oh, gosh, The gardens of Education and the gardens of
the church.
S1 (14:45):
Yes.
S6 (14:45):
Um, so, uh, this is step two. So in in
the first revolution in the universities, we started the universities.
And I go through the entire history of that from
Harvard on down. But in the first revolution, about 200
years after it began, we didn't have any, um, uh,
PhD programs in America. So we sent our best and
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brightest to Germany. And that was the most formally educated
country in the history of the world. And the ideas
going through the German universities at this time. Well, you
can see what happened in World War two, but they
educated our people, sent them back to Harvard, Princeton and Yale.
They won the battle. They took over after 50 years, 1930s.
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The dust was just settling in America. But in the 1930s,
right at that time when scientific naturalism was now the
reigning power in the universities, and it gave us liberal
theology and for the churches, it gave us the social gospel.
The second revolution was just starting over in Germany with
this little city called Frankfurt. Frankfurt School of critical theory.
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We have critical race theory, critical gender theory, critical queer theory,
critical pedagogy. If it starts with critical, it's not critical thinking.
It's bad news. Run from it. And these founders were
Jewish and they were globalist socialists, not national socialists. They
were commies, not Nazis. They were Antifa. And these guys decided, okay,
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we need to expand the ranks here. It can't just
be about economics and class. Rich and poor, haves and
have nots, victim and victimizers, oppressor and oppressed. They said
it's got to be all of the soft tissue of culture. Uh,
the categories of race, class, sex, gender, ethnicity and so forth.
But we're going to have to do the long march
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through the institutions in the West if we're ever going
to take the West, because the West is different from East.
You can't do a Russian or a Chinese revolution like
the East. And so to do that, you need to
launch into academia, media and ekklesia into the churches. And
now we've seen this stuff get into the churches, the
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Christian academic societies, the campus ministries and the seminaries. We
might just well say the barbarians are no longer at
the gates. It's in the citadel.
S1 (17:01):
Yeah, yeah, 100%. Well, I'm going to come up to
a break. Corey, help me understand this. I'm a typical firstborn. Why? Questions?
Why did it find fertile fields? In other words, if
these are old ideas, if you take it back to
the Frankfurt School, you can talk about some of the
Italian socialists as well, folded into all of that. Why
has it found a resurgence now and in the 21st century?
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Why is this suddenly being accepted when so many of
these ideas would have been historically in this country, at least, anathema?
Look at the answer to that question when we return
with Doctor Corey Miller right after this. We're spending the
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hour with Doctor Corey Miller, who is the president and
CEO of Rachel Christie. Reason of Christ. Wonderful apologetics ministry,
by the way. He's a great author. He has authored
or edited five books and holds not one but three
master's degrees, as well as a PhD from the University
of Aberdeen in Scotland. His latest book, Excuse Me, is
a wake up call really takes a look at these
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fertile grounds that are growing kids to be Marxist, if
I can put it simply. Um, it is an education now.
It is indoctrination. There's a distinctive it isn't about critical thinking.
It is about advancing Victimology. Um, it's protest without reason.
And we're seeing this over and over and over again.
The book is called The Progressive Miseducation of America. So
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the question I asked before is, again, there's this idea
of critical theory. And I'm so glad, Corey, you took
a moment to elucidate the various aspects of this. Critical
race theory is just one of a panoply of critical theories.
There's even critical legal theory out there. But the core
element in all of this is the idea that there's
an oppressor and there's the oppressed. Which raises my question
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that I asked just before the break, why is that now?
Finding acceptance on college campuses? What was the attractive nature
of that philosophy that made people say, yep, that's what
I'm going to sign up for.
S6 (19:22):
Yeah. So the colleges remember the first revolution had happened
between 1880 and 1930. And so they won. Naturalism or
scientific naturalism had taken over the universities. And in the
last 20 years, uh, the first 20 of this century. Essentially,
you had the apex of that revolution, and that's where
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you had new atheists, Richard Dawkins and others with their
so-called reign of Terror. And so they laid the groundwork
for this stuff. Well, what was happening from the 1930s
onward is it was starting to emerge not only in Germany, uh,
with these Jewish leaders, but who were socialistic and Marxist socialist,
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not National Socialist. When Hitler rose to power, they had
to get out of town. Where'd they go? Columbia University,
Brandeis University, UCLA, and so forth. Down south from them
in Italy was someone who made the most dangerous cultural Marxist,
Antonio Gramsci, so dangerous. But he never got out of
prison when Mussolini there. But his prison notes got translated
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right here in my state of Indiana at Notre Dame
University by a Marxist professor named Joseph Buttigieg, father of
Mayor Pete. So this is critical queer theory that we're
talking about now, not just homosexuality that Pete brought with
him into the into the government. Um, and with that,
you also had about 15 years later, uh, you might
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call this the Vichy government. Uh, France in World War two, uh,
post-modernism was founded in France by people like Foucault and Derrida, Deconstructionism, um,
and Lyotard. And they believed that truth is reducible to power. Um,
they infused, along with the other critical theorists, Freudian sexuality
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and neo-Marxist thought. But these postmodernists, uh, were also card
carrying members of the French Communist Party or sympathizers with it.
So this whole group, it's an amalgam now of postmodern
cultural Marxism. They all came over to the best U.S. universities,
and they began to take over primarily in the social
sciences and the humanities. They tried their best through the
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60s sexual revolution. In fact, it was them that were
leading the way. They didn't quite make it the 70s.
They said, okay, we need to think through this better. Uh,
the workers of the world, unite used to mean the
factory floor workers in classical Marxism. But it now needs
to be the elite in the universities. And they begin
talking about the long march through the institutions. And so
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in the 90s, they were already infiltrating all of the
best campuses. The ratio of liberal to conservative professor at
that time was 2.3 to 1. It's still severe, but
there's still checks and balances. Now, three decades later, it
is 12 to 1 for those retiring, 23 to 1
for those who just got tenure, 27 to 1 in
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the Ivy leagues. Yale just announced last month that in
their social sciences and humanities, it's 78 to 1. Whoa.
So this is what our parents and pastors are up
against if we're going to send our kids train them
up in the way they should go. And when they
get to university, they get conscripted and work for the
other side. That's what's happening.
S1 (22:41):
Wow. Is it happening organically? Is this constructed? Are there
super players in this that are making it happen? Um,
or is this just something because we've kicked God out
of everything in our culture, that nature abhors a vacuum.
And so Marxism steps in boldly.
S6 (22:59):
That's exactly it. And Janet, in 2019, before George Floyd
died and critical racism took over as a result of
the trigger of that and Covid took over, uh, I
had already had our ministry published something on critical theory.
I think we were the first ministry in the country
to get anything out there. And I began an alliance
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with one of my arch enemies at the time, Peter Bogosian, uh,
a famous atheist philosopher at Portland State University. We both
saw greater enemy than each other on the horizon, and
it was going to quickly come about. We started a
lecture tour together. He's a liberal atheist. I'm a conservative Christian.
He was part of the New Atheist movement, and he
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told me that he and Richard Dawkins and others talked
about this. They knew that if they wiped out the
god or gods of the West or some other god
or gods would replace, but they never had any idea
how bad it would become. So they paved the way
for this. But this dry scientific scientism stuff, it was
just too dry. People knew there was something missing. We
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wanted meaning. We wanted passion. We wanted a purpose in life.
And that's where the social justice stuff came up. And
they're pushing out the liberals now because illiberal, they're Marxist.
It's not liberalism anymore. It's not American. It comes from
a different territory ideology.
S1 (24:18):
Hundred percent. That's why your book is so timely, Corey.
It's called The Progressive Miseducation of America Confronting the Cultural Revolution,
from the classroom to your community. It's right there on
our information page. By the way, I have a link
to Rachel Christie so you can learn more about this
fabulous apologetics ministry as well. I'm so thankful I have
Doctor Corey Miller for the entire hour, and the hour
(24:38):
is going far too quickly. We'll pick it up at
this point on the other side of the break. Stick around.
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market with Janet Parshall. Oh. So glad to be spending
the hour with Doctor Corey Miller, who grew up in
Utah as a seventh generation Mormon. Corey and I have
had great conversations about this in the past. By the way,
he came to Christ, later became a pastor, a philosophy professor,
a campus minister, and now serves as the president of
Ratio Christi, which is a wonderful apologetics ministry. He's authored
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or edited five books, holds three master's degree as well
as a PhD from the University of Aberdeen. And his
latest book is so timely. It's called The Progressive Miseducation
of America Confronting the Cultural Revolution from the classroom to
your community. Teachers a must read parents whose kids are
about to go off to college or have gone off
to college. A must read. Uh, teachers who follow Christ
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be encouraged that you understand that your classroom is a
mission field. And it's not necessarily designed to be easy,
but it's a mission field nonetheless, which I was thinking
during the break. Corey. So with this current administration, there's
an EO, an executive order that said, if you push
this dye stuff on college campuses through the Department of Education,
we're going to cut your federal funding. I don't know
of any educational institution anywhere who can't use more money.
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And yet, despite that, there have been declared pushbacks and
even hiring in some cases at some universities to bring
in a Dei specialist. Now, I find that fascinating and
troubling at the same time. So in other words, if
it's been decided that your federal funding is going to
be cut off because the idea here is if you
put your hand in the cookie jar, the government tells
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you what cookie you get to take. And so in
this case, it's the cookie you have to take as
you take out Dei. And yet some universities are pushing ahead.
What does that tell you about the commitment to their worldview?
Because Rachel Christie is all about building a biblical worldview.
Some of these people, the heads of universities, positions of
powers are saying, we don't care. We're going to do
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it anyway. That is particularly disturbing to me.
S6 (27:28):
Well, they realized just as Hitler said, give me the
textbooks and I will control Germany or Abraham Lincoln. The
philosophy in the classroom today becomes the philosophy of the
culture tomorrow. They own the educational institutions, and even we
might see some pushback in the corporate world and in culture,
because we're exhausted. Over the last five years of we've
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been experiencing this stuff has been in the universities for decades.
It's only come out in recent times. And I can
tell you that what has happened in the university yesterday
is what we're experiencing today. You don't have any idea
what's coming out tomorrow. I'm seeing it right now. And Harvard,
for example, had 100 die or die, as it were, officers,
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full time, 40 to 60 hour a week, employees doing
nothing but being political commissars with the hammer and sickle.
They've got $52 billion. That's more than the GDP of
half of the countries in the world, so they can
tell the government where to go. Uh, they want to
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keep the high ground. They control the future if they
control the education. And so even while there's pushback and
it seems like a a retreat, it's at best a
tactical retreat. Uh, this is putting lipstick on pigs. They're
they're rewording things. They're, uh, you know, moving from one
room to the next room and so forth. Unless we
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go in and we reclaim and do institutional recapture and
infiltrate the universities, we're not going to change the culture.
S1 (29:01):
Yeah. I couldn't agree with you more. And again, this
doesn't just happen on secular universities. You're seeing some solid,
historically solid Christian campuses where it's working its way in
as well. Which raises an interesting question. I'm not a conspiratorial.
I believe in the one that was written about in
the book of Genesis. That's the conspiracy that I believe in.
But is there a question that some of these schools
are taking foreign money who want to see America fall
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under the weight of Marxism? So we'll fund these Dei programs.
S6 (29:28):
Oh, absolutely. And they're not just secular schools either. I mean,
a lot of our Christian schools that were planted right
after the first ideological revolutionary takeover in the universities, we
then went and planted Westminster and Calvin College and Wheaton
and Biola, those colleges now to one degree or another
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with respect to almost all of them, to one degree
or another, are experiencing fissures and cracks. Uh, because of
this second ideological revolution, it has infiltrated their ranks and
in some cases taken them over, uh, some of those
Christian institutes. I would rather go to Harvard because at
least I know what to expect and can get my
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defenses up. Some of those Christian schools, you're going to
get taken because you don't know how far they've gone.
So parents need to be doing their homework. There are
resources out there to help them to understand which ones
have been more severely impacted and which ones haven't. But
either way, Janet, people cannot hide from this stuff anymore. Uh,
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even if you're not called to go into the universities
like I am and many others. Everybody needs to prepare
for the ideological poison coming out of the universities, because
it's coming into our churches. It's coming into our our
places of work. It's coming into our homes and dividing families.
I mean, think about the trans stuff right now. There
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are more trans middle schoolers today than middle schoolers in existence,
it seems like. And what happens is they go play
the guilt rhetoric that they learn on TikTok with the
parents and that is mom, dad or grandma and grandpa.
Would you rather have a dead son or a living daughter?
You choose. And then suddenly the parents or grandparents start
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to go progressive, just trying to keep that lifeline attached
to their kid. Uh, so you can't escape this stuff.
You need to prepare for it. But as the Apostle
Paul says about being aware of false philosophy, to be aware,
you have to first be aware. And that's what I
try to make them aware of in my book, so
they know how to deal with it.
S1 (31:36):
That's why I appreciate your ministry so much. You know,
you can't measure crooked ideas unless you have the straight
stick of truth, and that's what you're teaching them. So
what do you tell kids? Because you deal a lot
with kids and they're on a college campus. And what
the the student is in a particularly precarious position because
they sit under Damocles sword. You are going to spit
back what I taught you, what I indoctrinated in you,
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or you're going to fail this class, and you need
this class to keep your GPA up or to get
into a grad program. And so I have the cudgel
of your grade, and I can flag your report, your
blue paper report, that you're going to turn in at
the end of the semester because you didn't spit back hook,
line and sinker. Um, everything that we wanted to indoctrinate
you with, that's, um, my my firstborn spent the first
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semester at a secular university. She was sitting in a
geography class, a geology class, and it took the man
four and a half nanoseconds to start pumping the idea
of evolution. Midterm came, she wrote, jot and tittle everything
he taught and then said, but turned over the paper
and then said, this is what I believe. He gave
her an A, and I don't know if he would
have done it today, but he gave her an A
because he said, you told me everything that I taught you,
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but then you also told me what you believed. So
you get an A for doing it now. But she
needed the A. But what do you do for kids
who are sitting there knowing that they're going to be
punished by a grade? It isn't just the marketplace of ideas.
There's an outcome a student has to get, and it's
a GPA to get the degree, the grad school, whatever.
S6 (32:59):
Look, we, uh, we have a theology of litigation. Uh,
we are partnered with Alliance Defending Freedom and others. We
I've had over 150 legal inquiries. I've had to defend
myself as a professor. Uh, but we've had four federal victories,
five appellate court victories, two Scotus assists. And we left
Joe Biden and his Department of Education a nice parting
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gift of litigation for years after he began his term. Um,
we'd love to help people understand how to appeal to
Caesar for their Roman citizenship, so to speak. But sometimes
students parents aren't thinking about that, and sometimes to become
casualties of war. So that's what our college prep division does,
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is it helps students that are going to go off
to university not just to survive, but to thrive when
they get there or others. For parents listening right now
or grandparents get on our website, get your kids, uh,
connected to our chapters at these universities or, or help
us start chapters. And not only do we have chapters
there to help, uh, so we're like a special ops ministry.
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What separates us from other apologetics ministries is that we're
on the campus. What separates us from other campus ministries
is that we focus on the big ideas, and we're
seeing people come to Christ that are professors, uh, students.
I talked to one chapter director today in the Midwest.
He's seeing about 15 students per week getting saved. There's
an openness right now if we can give them answers
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to their questions and we do have the truth, and
now we have a product line and you can find
it on our website. Instead of reading, just say, a
500 page book on intelligent design by Steve Meier. We can, Steve,
to give that to us in 25 pages with 11th
grade reading level. And we do that in our booklet.
We do the same thing with the resurrection, same thing
with the problem of evil. Uh, on trans, same thing. Uh,
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we've got a gal who did her PhD on it
and was former trans. We have another gal who is lesbian,
and now she's a Christian, did her PhD on it,
25 pages, 11th grade reading level. We've got these on race, class, sex, gender, ethnicity.
They're digital or printable. Uh, you can even just give
us your email address. We'll send out propaganda monthly, but
you can download every one of these booklets for free
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on our website. So we have given resources for parents, grandparents, homeschools.
Sean McDowell uses our booklets for his apologetics class at Biola.
I know Purdue professors across the street from me here
that use booklets with other professors just for brown bag
lunch time. So from high schools to home schools to
university professors, these things are readable. They're written by some
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of the best authors, and they're accessible and they're not
500 pages, they're just 25 pages. They answer the questions.
S1 (35:40):
Wow. So I have a link to everything that you
just heard Corey say. I have a link to Rachel
Christy on the website. It's r a t I o
c h r I s t I o g. If
you're driving, if you're making supper right now and you
can't write it down, that's okay. It's all there on
our information page, just go to In the market with
Janet Parshall and the summation of the two hours we
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do every day. There's a red box. It says program
details and audio. Click that on. It takes you to
the information page. There's a much longer bio for Doctor
Corey Miller for you to read. There a link again
to the website for Rachel Christy. And on the right
hand side there's the cover of the book and a
direct link for you to click on through so that
you can get your copy as well. It's called the
Progressive Miseducation of America Confronting the Cultural Revolution from the
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classroom to your community. Let me take a break. And
when we come back because you were talking about you
were implying contending for the faith. But it's the idea
that Christianity can stand on its own two feet. And
you point out that Christianity isn't just a faith tradition,
it's also a knowledge tradition. I want you to explain
that to our guests what we mean by that. So
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when we're told in that little but important book of
Jude to contend for the faith, this is what we're doing.
We're learning how to contend, know what we believe, why
we believe it, and engaging in Athens, Jerusalem, Rome, Babylon, Washington, D.C., Princeton, Harvard, Yale,
all of that. We'll be.
S5 (37:02):
Back.
S1 (37:22):
Always enjoy spending time with doctor Corey Miller, president and
CEO of Ratio Christi. And he's the author of the
new book, The Progressive Miseducation of America, subtitled Confronting the
Cultural Revolution From the Classroom to Your Community. And let
me go back full circle to where we started our conversation.
Corey made a very important point when you need to
hang on to, which is really and truly, as the
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university goes, so goes the culture. So one way or another,
you're going to intersect with this somewhere along the line.
But I want to switch to the positive on this.
And that's what you do in the third section of
the book. Corey, and I thank you so much for
not just elucidating the problem, but for providing the solution.
And part of that is answering the question I posited
just before the break, which is Christianity isn't just a
faith tradition, it's a knowledge tradition. What do you mean
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by that?
S6 (38:06):
Yeah, when I left Mormonism and I had to start
looking around to figure out what's next. If I was
deceived for so long, and I was taught that the
Bible is is false, unless, you know, you hear from
the prophets. And we had prophets and apostles. Their prophet
just died the other day. It was 101 years old. Um,
but but, um, I didn't know if the Bible was
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trustworthy anymore. I didn't know if God even existed. And
so I entered this skepticism for a time until I
found this thing called Christian apologetics. And it just blew
my mind. And now I've been on a 30 year
trajectory of studying philosophy and comparative religions. This pursuit of truth,
I realized, and I wrote about this in my book.
I found a report card a little while back that
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I had a 0.666. I kid you not, um, I
was not an intellectual in the least bit, but now
I needed truth. And Jesus said in John 17 three,
this is the purpose to life, to know God. Christianity
is a knowledge tradition. It is not a faith tradition,
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not faith in a blind sense or a barren sense.
The Christian faith is reasonable and fruitful, not blind and barren.
We need to stop with this menace of mindless Christianity
that has sobered us for the last century in evangelical Christianity. Uh,
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Mark Noll wrote a book about 30 years ago called
The Scandal of the Evangelical Mind and the scandal, that
there isn't much of an evangelical mind, and that's kind
of how we've allowed this stuff to creep in. We
love God with our heart and our hands, but not
with our heads. And yet, Jesus, if you want to
follow Jesus said, Love God with all your mind as well.
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And first Peter 315 says, be prepared to give an
answer for everyone who asks you for the reason for
the hope that's in you, and do it with gentleness
and respect. There you have the head, heart, and hands.
And so I get into the third part of the
book and I say, we need to be starting to
show the world that Christianity is not oppressive, not vile,
not wicked, not brainless, but that it is good for
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the world, that it is reasonable and that it is true.
And then I have a clarion call to, uh, professors
and educators, to pastors, to parents and grandparents, to parish churches,
to political allies, to philanthropists and donors and to prayers.
All hands on deck. It's the university, stupid again. Even
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if you're not called to go in, you need to
prepare for what's coming out. You cannot escape it.
S1 (40:41):
Yeah. Could not agree more. By the way, can I
just underscore what you said before we talk about what
you elucidated to earlier all the time on this program,
which is the idea that it's not an either or proposition.
It is a both end. Our heart is transformed, but
our mind is renewed. The Bible tells us to gird
our loins, but it also tells us to gird our mind.
And when we're told to get wisdom, so I we
(41:03):
that's a blessing. And we're also told that if we
ask it, we get it liberally. But I often hear,
and I've heard this for decades, that no, no, no, no,
People like you and I would make Christianity oh so academic.
It's a position of the heart. Again, I would say
I understand linear thinking and I appreciate it, but it
can be a both end rather than an either or,
can it not?
S6 (41:23):
Absolutely. And the whole problem is that too many pastors,
not all are are dropping the ball. They're shepherds that
have been sold out to fads and fetishes, skinny jeans
and fog machines, um, on the worship times or into
this social justice nonsense which is a gospel of grievances,
(41:44):
not a gospel of grace. And so here's what's happened
as a result out of Arizona Christian University. They do
a biblical worldview survey every year in 2022, they said 6%
of Americans hold to a biblical worldview. And and this
is not trivial stuff. It's like that God exists, that
Jesus is the only way, the Bible is the Word
of God, etc., etc. only 6% of Americans hold this.
(42:06):
A year later it's 4%, but 37% of American pastors
hold it. And I guess the good news is that
51 to 57% of evangelical or non-denominational pastors hold it.
That's pathetic. Only half of our evangelical pastors hold that. Well,
no wonder we're having problems. We're trying to love God
with hands and heart, but not our head. And so
(42:28):
we're sucking wind with all of these false philosophies that
have just entered into our system. We need what we're
doing is we are looking through the lens of sociology
and culture for our sermons and for our discipleship, rather
than the lens of theology and scripture.
S1 (42:45):
Yeah. Amen and amen. So what do you say to
the person who says, if you look at the eschatological timeline,
things are going to get worse before they get better?
This is all part of what everything is going to
do when it looks like it's collapsing in our culture.
And so you might have little episodes of victories, but
the reality is we are going to decompensate as a culture. Um,
and we shouldn't be bothering to fight or the, antithesis
(43:08):
of that argument is going to be we completely pull
a Christian witness off of these secular universities, excuse me.
And we only send them to Christian colleges, but oh wait,
buyer beware. You better make sure that that is a bedrock,
solid Christian college. So I don't see fleeing as an
option here. How do we win this?
S6 (43:25):
No, it is winnable. Uh, that's a defeatist mentality. If
we're going to adopt that, we might as well just
help them along. We can have more blind faith that way.
S5 (43:34):
Um, but.
S6 (43:35):
No, the the fact that there was one revolution that
pushed the majority out and there's now a second one,
it shows that it can happen again. Places people like
Al Mohler took over a liberal seminary. We're seeing we're
seeing progress happen. And I want to be able to
encourage people that it's onward Christian soldier, not retreat.
S1 (43:54):
Yeah. Amen and amen. Thank you, Corey, for the work
that you do. Thank you for your love of apologetics.
What a story yours is personally, to go from being
a seventh generation Mormon to now having multiple masters in
a and a PhD and being on fire for the
whole idea of apologetics and training up young people to
contend for the faith. It's marvelous. I'm so glad that
(44:14):
we know each other and always appreciate our time together
on air. So the website you just heard Corey talk
about all these resources that are available. Rachel Christie dot
o r a t I o n r a t
I o c h I s t.org. They're on the website,
but the new book is called The Progressive Operative Word
(44:35):
Miseducation of America, subtitled confronting which is not a passive
Word Confronting the Cultural Revolution from the classroom to Your community.
That subtitle is there on purpose because, as Corey just said,
this is winnable. So we influence and occupy. We let
our light so shine before men. We seek the welfare
of the city. It's all out there. But the most
important thing Corey said is you got to start here
(44:58):
by being grounded in his word. You can't contend if
you don't know it. Corey. Thank you. Thanks, friends. We'll
see you next time.
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