June 25, 2025 • 44 mins
Join us this hour as we wing our way down under to the land of Oz, where we will hear from our favorite Scottish apologist. Hear his take on some horrific legislation weaving its way through Parliament that expands abortion rights and opens the door to assisted suicide. Then, how should a Christian respond to the bombing of nuclear sites in Iran? Get the answer to that question and more as we learn to think critically and biblically.
Become a Parshall Partner: http://moodyradio.org/donateto/inthemarket/partners
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
S1 (00:00):
Hi friend, thank you so much for downloading this podcast
and I truly hope you hear something that edifies encourage, equips, enlightens,
and then gets you out there in the marketplace of ideas.
But before you go, I want to tell you about
this month's truth tool. It's called Have You Ever Wondered?
And I absolutely love this topic because if you're like me,
going out into the night sky and looking up and
seeing a million stars, don't you just stop and think
(00:22):
about God? And are you not in a moment of
awe and wonder or looking out over the vast expanse
of an ocean and you start thinking, what is man,
that thou art mindful of him? And it makes you
wonder about the magnificence of God? I think that sense
of wonder was put there on purpose, and this wonderful
book includes a composite of multiple authors who have written
(00:42):
from their perspective as a scientist, or a historian, or
a mathematician or an artist, on why they all have
this sense of awe through the work that they do.
In other words, the heavens declare the glory. And as
it tells us in Romans, we are really without excuse
because his handiwork is everywhere. And this book invites you
to walk through the chapters written by people who all
(01:03):
have a sense of awe and wonder when it comes
to God through their various disciplines in life. It's an
amazing book and it's yours. For a gift of any amount,
just call 877 Janet 58. That's 877 Janet 58. Ask
for a copy of Have You Ever Wondered? And we'll
send it right off to you as my way of
saying thank you, because we are listener supported radio. Or
you can go online to in the market with Janet Parshall.
(01:26):
When you're also on the website, consider becoming a partial partner.
Those are people who give every single month at a
level of their own choosing. You always get the truth tool,
but in addition to that, you get a weekly newsletter
that includes my writing and an audio piece just for
my partial partners. So 877 Janet 58 or the website
in the market with Janet Parshall. Consider becoming a partial
(01:46):
partner or asking for this month's truth tool. Have you
ever wondered? And now please enjoy the broadcast.
S2 (01:53):
Here are some of the news headlines we're watching.
S3 (01:55):
The conference was over. The president won a pledge.
S4 (01:57):
The Americans worshiping government over God.
S5 (02:00):
Extremely rare safety move by a major 17 years.
S4 (02:03):
The Palestinians and Israelis negotiated.
S5 (02:05):
This is not true.
S1 (02:21):
Hi friends. Welcome to In the Market with Janet Parshall.
A very happy Tuesday to you. Get your passports ready
because we're going to wing our way Down Under and
catch up with our favorite Scottish apologist who has a
thing or two to say about a thing or two.
But first, we've got to give you some news. If
you were watching last night and I certainly was midnight
East Coast time, the cease fire between Israel and Iran
was supposed to have taken place 27 minutes after midnight.
(02:46):
Tehran shoots rockets at Israel again into an area where
citizens lived. Not a hospital, not a military base where
people lived, and there were people who were killed as
a result. Israel then responds. The president then gets a
little hot under the collar as he leaves to go
to NATO, and is angry at both because both he
decide broke the cease fire. I understand that technically that's true,
(03:07):
but apparently Donald Trump is about to learn something about
the Israelis and their government. They don't ask permission to
defend themselves. That is a nation built with a shovel
in one hand and a rifle in the other. And
when individuals are attacked by Iran, especially when Iran agreed
to the cease fire and the president put it out
on truth Social, in fact, he said, congratulations to everyone.
(03:27):
It's been fully agreed by and between Israel and Iran
that there will be a complete and total cease fire.
I held my breath because I thought, yeah, this is
kind of like the deal that Hamas does on a
regular basis. They always say the same thing, and then
the next thing you know, they're firing more missiles. So
I'm not the least bit surprised. So what is going
to happen in the days ahead? Will there be a
cease fire? If there is, will it hold? Well, for
more news on this, I turn to CBN news where
(03:49):
my friend Chris Mitchell reports.
S6 (03:51):
Israel and Iran agreed to President Trump's cease fire announcement,
but within hours, Iran fired two missiles toward northern Israel.
Israeli Defense Minister Israel Katz ordered the IDF to strike Tehran.
President Trump urged Israel to call off the response and
said he's unhappy with both sides.
S7 (04:10):
So I'm not happy with them. I'm not happy with
Iran either, but I'm really unhappy if Israel is going
out this morning because of one rocket that didn't land
that was shot, perhaps by mistake that didn't land. I'm
not happy about that.
S6 (04:25):
Just before the cease fire began, a deadly Iranian missile
slammed into the southern Israeli town of Beersheba. CBN Middle
East correspondent Julie Stahl visited the scene.
S8 (04:36):
The seven story building behind me got a direct hit
from Iranian missile, just about the time the cease fire
was supposed to take effect. One bystander commented that this
is what an Iranian ceasefire looks like. Killing Jews to
the last minute.
S6 (04:52):
President Trump posted the cease fire announcement on Monday night.
Congratulations to everyone. It has been fully agreed by and
between Israel and Iran that there will be a complete
and total cease fire. He followed that with another post
that said, Israel and Iran came to me almost simultaneously
and said, peace. I knew the time was now. The
(05:15):
world and the Middle East are the real winners. This
just hours after Iran launched a barrage of missiles at
a U.S. military base in Qatar. 13 of the 14
missiles were intercepted and the attack did little damage. Iran
notified Qatar of the attack beforehand, giving the U.S. time
(05:36):
to prepare. After Trump's announcement, the Israeli government released a
statement and said it achieved the main goals of its
military operations against Iran. Israel has removed a dual immediate
existential threat both in the nuclear field and in the
field of ballistic missiles. In addition, the IDF achieved complete
(05:58):
air control over the skies of Tehran. Inflicted severe damage
on the military leadership and destroyed dozens of central Iranian
government targets in the past two days. The IDF also
hit Evin Prison, the headquarters of the Bee-gees, and the
Israel destruction Clock inside Tehran.
S9 (06:18):
These are not sites that have strategic significance, but they
have immense political significance. They are the pillars, if you will,
of this horrendous regime. And by bombing them, Israel has
weakened that regime. And so, ultimately, the greatest guarantee we
have for a non-nuclear, non-dangerous, non-threatening Iran is by the
(06:39):
removal of the regime.
S6 (06:40):
Also on Monday, Reza Pahlavi, the son of the late
Shah of Iran, presented himself as a figure who can
unify the country if the Iranian government Collapses, he said.
The regime is on its last legs.
S10 (06:54):
The Islamic Republic is collapsing. Credible reports indicate that Ali
Khamenei's family and the family of senior regime officials are
making preparations to flee Iran.
S6 (07:10):
It remains to be seen if this cease fire will
provide a lifeline to the ayatollah, or if the 12
day war has so weakened the regime that the people
of Iran could rise up to overthrow the government. In
an ominous statement, the head of Iran's Atomic Energy Organization
said it plans to restart their nuclear program. Chris Mitchell
(07:31):
CBN news, Jerusalem.
S1 (07:33):
So you and me praying for the situation far from over.
Now again, one of the concerns is Iran retaliates by
sleeper cells that have worked their way into the United States.
The previous administration we had porous borders, millions of people
poured in. And CBS news now reports that 11 Iranians
have been arrested in the last 48 hours by Ice.
Have a listen.
S5 (07:52):
The Department of Homeland Security says Yousef Merendino had been
living in the United States illegally for nearly eight years,
since U.S. officials determined he lied on a visa application.
On Sunday, just four months after the Iranian foreign national
was added to the U. S known or suspected terrorist list,
he was arrested in central Mississippi. He's now in Ice
(08:15):
custody pending removal proceedings. And he's not alone. Over the
past 48 hours, Ice officials have arrested 11 Iranian nationals
spanning eight states nationwide. Among them, five possessed previous criminal convictions,
their crimes ranging from grand larceny to drug and firearm possession.
Also among those apprehended, Ribar Karimi while arresting him in
(08:40):
northern Alabama. Ice officials say they found his Islamic Republic
of Iran Army identification card and allege he served as
an Iranian sniper between 2018 and 2021.
S1 (08:54):
So more reasons for us to keep praying. Absolutely. Now
we're going to trust in the Lord. He's still on
the throne. He hasn't been unseated despite what's going on
in the Middle East. But it's an opportunity yet again
for you and me to be praying for those in authority,
particularly now as the world leaders are meeting at NATO,
all of them talking about world economic situations. But obviously
Zelenskyy is there and there are other representatives from other countries. So,
(09:17):
you know, they're going to be talking about wars, rumors
and wars, coalitions, alliances, the list goes on and on
and on. I don't know about you, but if there
were ever a meeting when wisdom needs to take a
seat at the table, it would be that meeting. Also,
pray for those in authority in Iran and in Israel,
but particularly pray for the people of Iran and Israel.
They all want liberty and freedom, and particularly the people
(09:38):
of Iran, who would love for there to be a
regime change. But they're hungry for something more than what
they've had for the last 46 years. Pray for them
back after this. The questions that matter most often come
(09:58):
while watching a sunset, or listening to music, or looking
into the night sky. That's why I've chosen. Have you
ever wondered, as this month's truth tool? God draws us
to himself through a sense of awe and wonder, and
this book will help you discover how. As for your
copy of. Have you ever wondered when you'd give a
gift of any amount in the market? Call eight 7758,
that's eight 7758 or go to in the market with
(10:21):
Janet Parshall.
S11 (10:27):
Britain's parliament voted on Tuesday to decriminalise abortion in England
and Wales.
S12 (10:33):
The eyes are right.
S11 (10:34):
379 lawmakers voted 379 to 137 to end prosecutions of
women for ending pregnancies. Abortions have been legal in England
and Wales for nearly 60 years, but only up until
24 weeks, and with two doctors approvals. Women choosing to
end a pregnancy after that could face criminal charges and
(10:56):
up to life in prison, while criminal charges for breaking
the law are rare. They've risen since the pandemic, when
a change in the law allowed abortion pills to be
taken at home within ten weeks of conception. Tonia Antoniazzi,
a Labour member of Parliament who proposed the amendment, said
the law had been used to investigate 100 women in
the last five years. That included some women who had
(11:18):
given birth prematurely or had been forced into abortions by
abusive partners. The proposal to decriminalise abortion could still change
or be rejected, as it's part of a bigger bill
going through Parliament. If passed, it would bring the abortion
laws in England and Wales in line with other Western countries,
including France, Canada and Australia. Some politicians warned the amendment
(11:41):
was rushed and could have unintended effects. Rebecca Paul, a
conservative member of Parliament, said it could see, quote, fully
developed babies be aborted by a woman with no consequences,
while women under the proposed law would not face prosecution.
Medical professionals who assist them in getting abortions after 24
(12:01):
weeks would still be liable. In May, a British woman
was acquitted after taking abortion pills past the legal limit,
saying she didn't know how far along she was.
S1 (12:13):
That, by the way, is a major problem that we've
discussed on this programme over and over again. It's why
the abortion pills went all the way up to the
United States Supreme Court. There is a limit. If you
read the label and you apply it of no more
than ten weeks gestational age, and one of the concerns
people have said put some guardrails back in around this
medication is if mama like this story reports doesn't know
(12:33):
how far along she is, is she going to hemorrhage
to death in the bathroom? Who's going to be there?
How is that pro-woman? We know that it's going to
kill the baby, but it might kill the mother, too.
How is this a good idea? So this little abortion pill,
which is really two pills and a two step regime,
is really manufactured in hell. And it is completely changed
this debate. So David Robertson didn't skip a beat on this.
And he writes an article for Christian today, not to
(12:55):
be confused with Christianity Today. And his opening line is this.
At first I didn't take it seriously. I heard the
news that a couple of amendments to the Crime and
Policing Bill were coming to the UK Parliament to, in effect,
allow abortion on demand up to birth. And I assumed
that this was the work of the radical extremists who
think that any woman should be able to kill her
own child up to birth. I assumed that such an
(13:15):
extreme measure would be overwhelmingly rejected, but I was wrong.
And then some. David joins us from Australia, where it
is tomorrow. So I always say in terms of my eschatology,
I guess it means that the Lord doesn't come tomorrow
because David's living there and we're having this conversation, and
I know he loves Jesus and I know he follows him.
He is a Scottish Presbyterian minister, is currently serving as
(13:37):
Scots Kirk, Newcastle, New South Wales in Australia. He broadcasts,
he writes, he blogs, he does a column. He hosts
The Quantum of the Wee Flea, and he's a fabulous writer.
We get to talk to him on a monthly basis,
and I am so grateful. And I have a link
to The Wee Flea so you can follow his writings,
because he is Johnny on the spot with all of
these stories that are making headlines, including reacting rightfully and
(13:58):
immediately to this unconscionable move inside the Parliament. David, the
warmest of welcomes, I want to cut right to this. Why?
What was the need? What was the move to be
able to do this? Because I think the conservative MP
was right when she said that this is going to
open the doors to be able to say you can
have abortion up to the moment of birth. Talk to
me about this.
S13 (14:19):
Yeah. It's a it's a sad day, you know, um,
I let me let me just say at the beginning
that as, as always, Janet, I was thinking about this.
It's a privilege to talk to you. We talk every month.
And I think it was about ten years ago that
we had a one off conversation. And it's just kept going.
So truly, it's been brilliant. You know, one day I
hope we meet up before we get to heaven. You
(14:41):
know about what? One day I'll come over to the
States and surprise you. And we can do something in
your studio. That would be lovely.
S1 (14:47):
I would love.
S13 (14:48):
It. Or you could. Or you could come over here.
S14 (14:50):
Um, I would love. One of the.
S13 (14:52):
Things I do here is I do write. And, you know,
it's so interesting because I wrote about this and, um,
I incidentally, I also wrote an article on, uh, what
happened a couple of days later when euthanasia was approved
by the UK Parliament and talked about it being a
quiet judgment. But I spoke about this as an absolute evil.
(15:14):
I felt very passionately about it. I mean, two things
have amazed me about about that. Number one is both
my articles have been the two most popular articles on, uh,
the Christian Today website ever since I wrote them, and
that is simply because Christians want clarity about this, you know,
(15:36):
and they want information. And that's incidentally, I'll just put
a plug in for your show that that's what you do.
You provide information which is really helpful and helps helps
us to pray. And the other thing that struck me
is by using the phrase absolute evil. This is always
the case. Immediately there were Christians who picked up on
that and said, whoa, whoa, tone down the language. This
isn't helpful. You know, and I'm going, what do you
(15:59):
call it? What do you call it when you say
to a mother, you can kill your baby one hour
before they are born, but if you kill them an
hour after they are born, you'll be prosecuted. And the answer,
of course, is that this bill was it is not.
(16:22):
It's not even about abortion. It's about infanticide. And one
of the things, and you and I have talked about
this before, I've been saying this for years. As the
West turns away from Christianity, particularly in the United Kingdom.
We are not progressing to a secular nirvana. We are
regressing to a Greco-Roman pagan view of the world. And
(16:44):
I the fact that MPs voted for this. I'm not
usually shocked by what they do, but they voted by
such a large majority for it, which indicates both the
level of their stupidity. And I'm saying that word advisedly
because they were they bought into the oh, we don't
want to prosecute the, you know, they name a couple
(17:05):
of cases. And let me just say this always exceptions
always make bad rules.
S14 (17:09):
Yes, yes.
S13 (17:10):
But they didn't think about what they were doing. They
didn't know that they were legalising, in effect, infanticide. And
that made me feel sick.
S1 (17:17):
Yeah. Well, there's so much more to this. And I
do want to talk about the assisted suicide part of
this as well. David Robertson is with us. I cannot
stress enough how much you're missing if you don't follow
him on X. And if you don't go to the wifely.com,
that is his website. He just writes prolifically about a
wide variety of topics. But the best part? Always from
a biblical perspective, I just love it. More with David
(17:39):
Robertson right after this.
S15 (17:57):
Is this is a leaf.
S16 (18:00):
As teary appeals rolled. A ten foot tall puppet of
a British judge brandishing a syringe loomed with. Opponents of
a bill that would open the door to legal assisted death.
S17 (18:12):
As a Christian. It's murder. It's wrong. The scriptures say
thou shalt not kill.
S16 (18:17):
Critics say it would put the vulnerable at risk, and
that end of life care needs to be improved so
people would choose to live. Just steps away. Proponents of
that bill stood calmly in solidarity with the bright pink
campaign for Dignity in Dying.
S18 (18:35):
My best friend died crying in agony, begging us to
put an end to her life. It's just everybody's personal choice.
S16 (18:42):
Jenny hopes for that choice. She has terminal cancer and
says she wants a more humane way to die.
S19 (18:50):
To allow my children to see me in a peaceful
state would be so much better for them.
S16 (18:56):
Inside Parliament's House of Commons.
S20 (18:59):
Order, order.
S16 (19:00):
Ministers debated passionately but respectfully. Kim Leadbeater introduced the bill.
S21 (19:06):
Any one of us or our loved ones could be
unfortunate or unlucky enough to receive a terminal diagnosis.
S16 (19:12):
The legislation applies to people expected to live six months
or less. Two doctors would need to give approval, then
a judge. The person must administer the lethal drugs themselves.
S22 (19:24):
The eyes to the right 330. The nose to the
left 275.
S16 (19:31):
The result in favour was met only with murmurs, ministers
reflecting on the gravity of their vote.
S1 (19:40):
Same thing. Nothing new under the sun. It's the same
shtick they used in the United States to try to
push it. It's the same angle they took with Canada,
and it's a manipulation of language, and we'll get into
that in a bit. But this was A12 punch. This
all took place last week in the UK. In fact,
it was a week ago today that this vote on
decriminalizing abortion was voted on. Two days later they dealt
(20:04):
with assisted suicide. So I'm going to unpack these one
at a time. David Robertson is with us. He graciously
joins us all the way from Australia. I always thank
the Lord for the technology so that we can connect together.
He wears many hats, all of them wonderfully. Broadcaster, writer, blogger, columnist,
host of The Quantum of the Wee Flea and most importantly,
the Scottish Presbyterian minister serving right now at Scots Kirk,
(20:25):
Newcastle in New South Wales. I want to do a
crash course on discernment because this is why I say
in this program regularly be a good Berean test, all things,
and know when you're being taken captive, as it says
in the book of Colossians. Colossians three. Vain and hollow philosophy.
So I have to tell you, this is a headline
that was in Reuters now. Reuters is a news service
that provides news, quite literally for copy around the globe.
(20:47):
And I want you to hear the power of language
to manipulate. Here's what the Reuters headline said for the
vote in the UK. UK Parliament votes to decriminalise abortion
comma repeal Victorian era law. Now every one of you
just had the same reaction. It was like, oh it's arcane.
Oh goodness. We of course we've got to get rid
of it. We're so modern now. We want to get
(21:08):
rid of old fashioned ideas. Really? Well, truth never goes
out of style. Transcendent, objective. Knowable. Truth is always there.
The same yesterday, today and forever. And the idea of
being able to kill your child an hour before they're born,
as David just put out in that hypothetical, although sadly,
it's a reality, would be protected an hour after you're
(21:29):
going to be prosecuted is absolutely ludicrous. So this is
how they started it. Britain's parliament voted on Tuesday to
decriminalise abortion in England and Wales, to stop a growing
number of women from being investigated by police for terminating
pregnancies under legislation dating back to the mid 19th century. Now,
do you understand there's a remedy in that paragraph? Rather
than saying open the floodgates of hell, let them go
(21:50):
all the way through abortion, how about you work on
your policing aspects first, you didn't need to open the gates.
And then it goes on to say abortion has been
legal in England and Wales for almost 60 years, but
only up to 24 weeks. And with the approval of
two doctors, women can face criminal charges if they decide
to end a pregnancy after 24 weeks. Under a Victorian
era law that carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment.
(22:13):
I bet if you looked at the books, you'd see
little to no women who have ever spent life in
prison for getting an abortion. David, this is this is
the part where saints have to grow up. This is
a 500 level Sunday school class, not a 100 level.
And they're going to have to understand manipulation, delusion, and
vain and hollow philosophies of what this is. So it's arcane.
It's an old idea. A woman could go to prison
(22:34):
for a year. All of this yellow journalism, no facts,
all emotion. It's ludicrous on its face. But at its core,
it challenges truth, does it not?
S13 (22:45):
Well, it it absolutely challenges truth. I mean, and what
you've said there is we need to be very careful
how we manipulate it. So you gave one example of
the Victorian. Well, you know, the Victorians also thought it
was a rather bad idea to murder people. If that's
a Victorian.
S14 (23:00):
Law.
S13 (23:01):
Should we get rid of it? You know, so I
think that that's an, you know, an issue. It's just
this idea that somehow being more modern, we are more civilised.
You know, I hope and pray that in 100 years time,
people will be looking back and it won't be you
and I, but I don't think so. Anyway, people will
(23:22):
be looking back, going, ah, you know, Weren't they barbaric
in the 21st century that they slaughtered their babies? You know,
because it's much the same way as we look back
at the barbarism of slavery, although many people at the
time supported it the other way that they manipulate and
use language. You notice the little clip there where the
(23:44):
girl says about her friend dying in agony.
S1 (23:47):
Yes.
S13 (23:48):
And of course, everyone immediately goes, oh no, no, we
can't have that. That's terrible. If you don't support euthanasia,
you're supporting people dying in agony. There's absolutely no no
need for anyone to die in agony. Uh, you know,
we can all tell different stories, but the fact is
that palliative care. I remember I did a debate on
euthanasia many years ago, and one of the people on
(24:09):
our side was a doctor. The person on their side. Incidentally,
it was very interesting that all the people on their
side were very posh, wealthy people who were just concerned
entirely about autonomy. They wanted to be in control, which
is what this issue really is about.
S14 (24:23):
Yes.
S13 (24:23):
And dying there was he? This man was a palliative
doctor and he said, there is no need for anyone
to die in agony. Well, if that was true ten
years ago, it's certainly true. Today. We provide palliative care.
We don't kill people so that they avoid pain.
S1 (24:39):
Thousand percent. Spot on. By the way, that's why there's hospice.
I'm glad you used the word palliative care. That's exactly right.
This was a woman who didn't get proper pain management.
There's always another way than playing God. Back after this.
(25:00):
Christians are called to go into the marketplace of ideas.
Throughout history, men and women of God have been thought leaders,
innovators and forces for good. We want this program to
continue in that bold tradition. Join me by becoming a
partial partner. Your monthly gift will make a difference as
we help Christians take a bold stand in the marketplace
of ideas. Call today 877 Janet 58 or go online
(25:20):
to in the market with Janet So appreciate and admire
David Robertson. He is joining us all the way on
the other side of the globe, where it is tomorrow morning.
I'm so glad he comes and visits on a regular basis,
because we learned so much from his Biblio centric thinking,
and I love the way this precious Scottish apologist knows
(25:40):
how to apply the whole truth, the whole gospel, to
the whole world around him. So not only is he
a minister at Scots Kirk, Newcastle in New South Wales
in Australia, but he's a tremendous communicator and every time
the Lord opens the door, a platform for him to go.
You heard him talking about debating euthanasia in the past.
He goes and he represents Jesus Christ as an ambassador
and does a superb job. He writes, he blogs, he
(26:02):
writes columns. We talked about his piece that just showed
up in Christian today, both on the euthanasia bill, the
the assisted suicide bill and the abortion bill as well.
And he's got a fabulous podcast called The Quantum of
the We Flee. You can learn all about this by
going to the Weekly.com, the Weekly.com. So I want to
go back if I can, just a little bit because
I think these are such serious issues that we need
(26:23):
to be thinking biblically about this. So two days after
the abortion pill, they moved to pass and again, an
overwhelming vote. The terminally ill adults end of life law,
which gives mentally competent terminally ill. These are important phrases
in the law. Adults in England and Wales with six
months or less to live, the right to choose to
end their lives with medical help. First thing they went
(26:45):
through my mind, David, is the Scripture that says it's
appointed unto man once to die, and after that the judgment.
So man and his hubris says, I've determined it's going
to be six months. What if God says no? That's
a mortal's perspective. I, the creator and author of life,
who appointed when you would arrive and when you will depart,
you have a different plan in mind, and it's longer
than that. And so you've you've jumped ahead, decided that
(27:07):
you know better than God. And it's, it's there's an
arrogance in that. At its core, I'm not being unkind
by any stretch of the imagination. My mother was a
hospice nurse. But I'm really and truly saying at its core,
there's a sense of arrogance about this. That man knows
better than God. Number one. Number two, this is always
the opening salvo. This is how it started out. Made
now is out of control in Canada. My Canadian listeners
(27:29):
right now are nodding their head in agreement. You start
out with the idea that you're mentally competent and then
you start moving as they're doing it in Belgium and Switzerland,
where now you're going to go to the mentally incompetent
or you're depressed or you have down's, or you just
want to end life because you're weary of life. This
is the opening door. It never stops here. So how
does a Christian respond to all of this?
S13 (27:51):
Yeah, I mean, some people want to bury their heads
in the sand, you know, and just say, let's not
do this. I mean, we've got to speak truth, you know,
into the lies. We've got to show light in the darkness.
You know, you were saying before how things get manipulated that, um,
that bill, this will maybe help your listeners understand how
(28:12):
these things work and how we need to think about language. Remember,
it's the devil who who confuses and who's the father
of lies. So that Bill was actually called assisted dying.
We moved from euthanasia to assisted suicide to assisted dying.
Now I say to people, I am all for assisted dying.
(28:32):
I refuse to give up the language to those who
twist it and change it, because assisted dying is is
to assist people who are dying. It's to give them
palliative care. It's like when my mother in law died
from cancer, she didn't want any further chemotherapy because she said,
I'm ready to be with the Lord. You know, he
knows when I'm going. You don't need to keep me going,
(28:53):
you know, etc.. So withdrawing that treatment wasn't, um, killing her,
providing her with pain relief was assisting her as she died.
And we all want that. But what they're talking is
assisted suicide. And I'll give you another example. And without
mentioning names here in Australia, uh, what they call voluntary
assisted dying. And often it's not voluntary because the, the
(29:13):
pressure is put on people because of finance and all
your your family's inheritance, and you don't want them to
see you in pain. All the emotional abuse that goes
on with this, that in reality, uh, what happens is, uh,
even Christian organizations, if someone who's staying in a care
home that's a Christian care home, wishes to have voluntary
assisted dying, the care home doesn't have to do it,
(29:35):
but they have to let someone come in to do it.
And I can think of one example of a member
of staff who told me that, uh, a client had said,
you know, uh, I'm going to die tomorrow at 3:00.
And she said, the blackness and the darkness and the
misery over the whole place. You know, people think, oh,
(29:58):
this is great. This is wonderful. No it's not. You're
going to go meet your maker. You no more have
the right to take your own life than you have
the ability to decide when you come into the world.
S14 (30:08):
Exactly.
S13 (30:08):
You know, and I know that there are hard cases,
and I know that there are great difficulties. And I
pray that I don't live in pain. And I know
that when my father died, I felt a sense of relief,
and I understand all of that. But under no circumstances
am I prepared to let the state have the right
to kill people, even if it's supposed to be voluntary,
because it soon becomes involuntary. 10% of euthanasia cases in
(30:31):
the Netherlands and Belgium are involuntary. In Canada, 49% of
young people think that if you're poor, you should be
eligible for, uh, maid, you know? It is unbelievably wicked.
And it will only get worse. And Christians need to
think about this properly. We need to understand the enormous
(30:52):
value that we have on life. I quote in my
article about the evil, um. Hitler's secretary Traudl Junge, said
that Hitler's view on Christianity that it was an outdated
religion which, amongst other things, sought to keep alive the
weak and those who didn't deserve to live. Well, people
go on and on and on about the Nazis and maybe,
(31:13):
you know, they say you shouldn't bring them in. But
I'll tell you this. Euthanasia, abortion on demand and everything else.
You don't get anything more Nazi than that. It is
absolute evil. And I am not afraid to say that.
But I am ashamed of Christians who try and back
away from it. Of course there are difficult cases. Of
(31:33):
course we we're not heartless and things. You know. I
don't want to die in pain. I've come very, very
close to death, and I've been in a lot of pain. But, um,
you know, by the way, I need to tell you this.
This was a funny story when I was in hospital,
and I was in a coma in and out of
a coma. Uh, my teenage daughter, who was 14 years
old at the time, um, the staff said I was
(31:54):
in a, you know, the high dependency unit and critically,
critically ill. And they said, why don't you, you know,
read your father some of your work from school. So
she came in and she read me her essay on euthanasia,
and they were horrified and and And my mother said, oh, sorry.
(32:14):
My mother, my wife said, oh no, he would absolutely
love that. He would absolutely love that. You know, that would.
So oh my goodness. So it was just priceless, you know. Um, but, uh,
you know, we we have got to stand for life.
If we don't stand for for life, what's the point
(32:35):
of us being Christians?
S1 (32:37):
Thank you. Yeah. I love the eloquence of your writing.
I'm the one. Both of them, by the way. You
can find this at Christian TODAY.com and you will see
literally there's a column called Most Popular. And David's right
there is his piece on what happened a week ago
today on abortion. And then there his piece is his
piece called The Quiet Judgment on the UK. And listen
to how he writes this. And so it has happened.
It came not as a bolt of lightning, not as
(32:59):
a flash of thunder, not with a mighty roar, like
an earthquake. It did not come in the form of war,
plague and famine. It came as the pale horse whose
rider was named death. Revelation six 68. The judgement of God.
I'm going to come back to that. The judgment of
God has finally come upon the United Kingdom. Quietly, silently,
like a thief in the night. It came in the
(33:20):
form of an irrational, emotive and godless Parliament who this
week voted to permit the killing of babies in the
womb up until birth, and now has introduced the National
Suicide Service with its vote to permit assisted suicide. God
has given us what we voted for. Now, before you respond, David,
let me just say in full disclosure, we're exactly in
the same place that the United States. I'm not finger
(33:40):
pointing at all. We are doing the exact same thing.
We have a movement of people who are trying to
get death on demand through every 50 states. Praise be
to God. It hasn't happened yet that some states have resisted.
There was an attempt to do it at the federal level.
Didn't happen. Thanks be to God. And now with the
abortion pill, even though we've got a decision that dismantled
the law in this country that allowed abortion on demand,
I have to tell you that there are states that
(34:02):
have counter moved against that. And they likewise allow exactly
what the Parliament voted on a week ago abortion up
through the moment of birth. Oh, and they'll tell you
we don't even we never do that. But then you
ask where the restrictions are, and they'll give you a
blank stare and not answer. So if God's judgment is
on the UK, it is likewise on the United States.
What does that mean for a believer to hear that
(34:22):
when we turn our back on some of the most
basic principles of His Word, why we can expect God's judgment?
S13 (34:30):
Well, I think it's Romans one. You know, I think
Romans one is just the most pertinent passage for today.
In fact, you know, to be honest, not just Romans one.
As I read through the Bible, I keep thinking, oh,
this is so relevant. Oh, this is so relevant. You know,
I find it amazing that people don't find the Bible relevant.
I mean, sometimes it's maybe people like, you know, preachers
like me, it's our fault because we, we sort of
(34:53):
try and, you know, update things. And in so doing
in adding to the word we take away from it
because the word is just relevant. It's just simply that.
And I think Romans one is really relevant and God's
judgment for me, God's judgment can come in different ways.
so God can punish us and discipline us as a
father disciplines his children, which is for good. God can
(35:16):
sometimes smite us, if you like. You know there can
be something drastic or really strong happen. But I think
the worst possible punishment is the Romans one one where
God says, okay, you didn't want me. You want to
do without me. Have it your way. You know, there's
a famous burger chain who said, you know, have it
your way. Of course. Frank Sinatra's I did it. I
(35:37):
did it my way. Uh, no. No. Christians, if we
do it our way, we just get things so wrong,
we really screw it up. You know, we just. We
make such a mess. And that's why it's actually compassionate
for us as Christians. Not just to yell and say, oh,
(35:57):
this is terrible. This is really bad. But we can
actually say to people, there is a better way. There's
the way of Christ, you know? And that's actually what
our culture has been built on. So, I mean, some
of us, you and I have been looking at this
kind of stuff for years and years and years, and
we see the trajectory on which we're going. And it's
(36:19):
it's not loving for us to keep quiet and look.
The Lord, this has happened before and the Lord has
turned it around before, and I pray he would do
so again.
S1 (36:27):
Yes, yes. But in the midst of all of this,
and you make such an important point, we are never
ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ with grace. The
Bible says, but seasoned with salt, you speak the truth
in love because in fact, that's the kindest, most loving
thing you can possibly do. God's laws are protective, not punitive.
More with David Robertson all the way from Australia right
(36:49):
after this. David Robertson is with us, Scottish Presbyterian minister,
currently the minister of Scots Kirk, Newcastle, New South Wales.
I've got a link to his website where there is
just chock full of information the Weekly.com. What else would
(37:11):
you expect a Scotsman to name his website the Wifli. Com.
He makes commentary on everything under the sun and it's fascinating,
including you can get access to the two articles that
I talked about before, and we started on a serious
note as well. We should, because literally we were talking
about life and death, but there's always a spot for
the absurd. And David picked up on it. And this
is I think it's important we end on this kind
(37:31):
of a story. You know, we talk about how we
struggle with words and we struggle with truth. Maybe it's
because we're dumbing down our students. So there is a private,
a very posh private school in London that apparently now
is going to teach a book by Panti Bliss, a
drag queen, and it's going to be taught alongside Shakespeare
as part of a diversification of literature program at a
(37:53):
£30,000 a year private school, the private school is teaching
pupils queer theory alongside the works of drag queen and
non-binary writers as part of a drive to diversify its
English curriculum. So the staff at the school, which is
southeast of London, said in a post that its English
department has introduced the authors as part of a five
(38:14):
year overhaul and general genuine diversification of the literature taught
at the school. It also disclosed that the £30,000 a
year co-educational day school was going to use Shakespeare's plays
to discuss racial and gender equality and challenge, quote, white centric,
patriarchal and cisgender ideologies. Yes, I'm sure that was very
(38:36):
much on his mind when he took out his quill
pen and was writing some of his plays. Oh my word, David,
how absurd. First of all, £30,000. These poor parents are
not going to get their money's worth. They're dumbing down
their kids.
S13 (38:48):
They are. Although, again, um, you know, can I say
in the race to the bottom in posh schools, the
United States is definitely winning.
S1 (38:56):
Yes. We drew guilty as charged.
S13 (38:59):
You know, I have I have seen I think there
was a school in New York that was $50,000 a year,
and the stuff that they were teaching, you know, I
would have sued them for it, never mind pay them.
I mean, the fact that that, you know. You wonder, uh,
the stupidity of humanity. So this particular school, what got
(39:22):
me about it was so they're teaching queer theory as
part of their diversity, equality and so on. Um, but
this is school that charges, what, $50,000 a year?
S1 (39:35):
Yeah, yeah.
S13 (39:35):
So let me tell you this in terms of diversity
and equality and so on. 95% of people in the UK,
if not more, could not afford to send their kids
to that school. That school is deliberately exclusionary by the
amount of money it costs you to go there. So
when it's like you get all these people, I mean,
(39:56):
we live in this crazy world where at least, at
least when when I grew up, there was kind of,
you knew that communists and socialists and so on, you know,
there was a kind of defined view of economics and
so on. Now you get billionaires calling themselves communists, you know,
or there's a wonderful presenter on the BBC who's not
really wonderful. She really annoys me. But, um, she, she, she, she, uh,
(40:21):
calls herself a luxury communist, you know? Yeah. Of course.
S1 (40:25):
That's an oxymoron.
S13 (40:26):
Isn't that what Marx? Yeah, that's what Marx meant. That's
exactly what he was saying. You know, millionaire communists. But
the point about it is this. They see everything through
this filter, which makes them feel virtuous. You know, they
themselves are almost certainly, you know, they'll be they'll be
white and they'll be wealthy and they'll be so on.
(40:48):
But because they stand up for the queer, it's like
the corporates now in the US, I have to say,
the US has seen a turnaround, I think, particularly since
Donald Trump has come to power, where there's less and
less sponsoring of pride marches, but for corporations, it was
an easy win. You could go and take money out
of anywhere. You could exploit whoever you want, but as
long as you had a pride flag, then hey, you were,
(41:10):
you know, standing up for the oppressed and you were
helping the poor, which was just an absolute lie. But
that's the insanity of where we're at in our culture.
And I think, you know, you and I, we can
talk about this, we can talk about the abortion. We
can talk about everything else. Well, people say, okay, it's
all very well to point out how crazy it is,
because you get people like Jordan Peterson and Douglas Murray
(41:30):
and others pointing out the craziness of it. But what's
your solution? Well, our solution is the gospel.
S1 (41:37):
Amen.
S13 (41:38):
You know, I had a guy come into my church
and he had a go at me last week, and
he ended up actually assaulting me. But he was saying,
you know, uh, I'm, you know, indigenous and, you know,
you're white scumbag. And, you know, I said, I just
looked at him and said, I couldn't care two hoots
about what your skin color is. I just don't care.
I care that you're a human being. I care that
you're somebody made in the image of God, and you
(41:59):
and I can talk on that basis, or you can
carry on with this rather pathetic justification for your abusive violence.
And I think that's where we need to go to people.
I think we need to point out what the evil is,
but the best way to show the evil is by
shining the light. And I think the gospel, all the
subjects that you and I discuss, the gospel has an
(42:20):
answer for it. We value the child in the womb
because they're made in God's image. They are fearfully and
wonderfully made. Psalm 139. We pray for and we value
the elderly, sick person who is dying because we know
that they will leave this world and they will go
to a place of their believer where there's no more tears,
no more pain, no more suffering. And if they're not
(42:41):
a believer, they will go and face judgment before God.
And so we urge them to repent. And when it
comes to education, we long for people to be taught
so that they can think so that they can be logical,
like their creator, the logos, so that they can appreciate
beauty and not be indoctrinated in the lies of the devil,
which is exactly what this school is doing, no matter
(43:02):
how posh it is.
S1 (43:04):
Yeah, couldn't agree more. Isn't there a wake up call
for parents on this? You know, the Bible tells us
to look well to the ways of our household. Even
if you can afford $50,000 a year to go to
a private school, I don't see scripture saying, that's right,
Mom and Dad, now you've given up your responsibility. You're
a parent by divine appointment, not by election. And so
it seems to me, when you see so much of
(43:25):
what's going on in the world, this is a clarion
call for moms and dads to do what Nehemiah said.
When you hear the sound of the trumpet to fight
for your families, is it not?
S13 (43:34):
Absolutely. And I think we are responsible for our children.
And yes, schools is great, and it's great to have
Christian schools, by the way. And John Knox argued, where
you have a church, there, you have a school. We
are responsible for our children, and we're responsible for how
we proclaim the gospel in this dark world. And the
dark darkness of the world just lets us shine the
light more brightly.
S1 (43:54):
Amen. What a note to end this conversation on. Wow.
This is why we love talking to David. In the meantime,
do a couple of things for me because I think
you're really missing out if you don't. You follow David
on X, right? He's remarkably in tune. He's been when
when the things were happening in the UK Parliament last week,
he was Johnny on the spot. He was reacting immediately.
He and I loved the way he responds to so
(44:14):
much of what is making news in the United States.
His astute observations are striking and you don't want to
miss them. But again, if you go to his website,
his podcasts are fabulous. His teaching of the Scripture is fabulous,
his understanding the world around us and applying the whole truth,
the whole word to that situation is remarkable. And it's
a tutorial for us because that's exactly what we're called
(44:34):
to do. It's can I use this word? It's applied Christianity,
taking the truth of the gospel and applying it to
the entire world around us. And as David just said,
God has given us the answer, the person of Jesus Christ,
and we get the privilege of telling his story. Now
go and tell. Thank you David. Thank you friends. See
you next time on In the Market with Janet Parshall.
Hi friend, thank you so much for downloading this podcast
and I truly hope you hear something that edifies encourage, equips, enlightens,
and then gets you out there in the marketplace of ideas.
But before you go, I want to tell you about
this month's truth tool. It's called Have You Ever Wondered?
And I absolutely love this topic because if you're like me,
going out into the night sky and looking up and
seeing a million stars, don't you just stop and think
(00:22):
about God? And are you not in a moment of
awe and wonder or looking out over the vast expanse
of an ocean and you start thinking, what is man,
that thou art mindful of him? And it makes you
wonder about the magnificence of God? I think that sense
of wonder was put there on purpose, and this wonderful
book includes a composite of multiple authors who have written
(00:42):
from their perspective as a scientist, or a historian, or
a mathematician or an artist, on why they all have
this sense of awe through the work that they do.
In other words, the heavens declare the glory. And as
it tells us in Romans, we are really without excuse
because his handiwork is everywhere. And this book invites you
to walk through the chapters written by people who all
(01:03):
have a sense of awe and wonder when it comes
to God through their various disciplines in life. It's an
amazing book and it's yours. For a gift of any amount,
just call 877 Janet 58. That's 877 Janet 58. Ask
for a copy of Have You Ever Wondered? And we'll
send it right off to you as my way of
saying thank you, because we are listener supported radio. Or
you can go online to in the market with Janet Parshall.
(01:26):
When you're also on the website, consider becoming a partial partner.
Those are people who give every single month at a
level of their own choosing. You always get the truth tool,
but in addition to that, you get a weekly newsletter
that includes my writing and an audio piece just for
my partial partners. So 877 Janet 58 or the website
in the market with Janet Parshall. Consider becoming a partial
(01:46):
partner or asking for this month's truth tool. Have you
ever wondered? And now please enjoy the broadcast.
S2 (01:53):
Here are some of the news headlines we're watching.
S3 (01:55):
The conference was over. The president won a pledge.
S4 (01:57):
The Americans worshiping government over God.
S5 (02:00):
Extremely rare safety move by a major 17 years.
S4 (02:03):
The Palestinians and Israelis negotiated.
S5 (02:05):
This is not true.
S1 (02:21):
Hi friends. Welcome to In the Market with Janet Parshall.
A very happy Tuesday to you. Get your passports ready
because we're going to wing our way Down Under and
catch up with our favorite Scottish apologist who has a
thing or two to say about a thing or two.
But first, we've got to give you some news. If
you were watching last night and I certainly was midnight
East Coast time, the cease fire between Israel and Iran
was supposed to have taken place 27 minutes after midnight.
(02:46):
Tehran shoots rockets at Israel again into an area where
citizens lived. Not a hospital, not a military base where
people lived, and there were people who were killed as
a result. Israel then responds. The president then gets a
little hot under the collar as he leaves to go
to NATO, and is angry at both because both he
decide broke the cease fire. I understand that technically that's true,
(03:07):
but apparently Donald Trump is about to learn something about
the Israelis and their government. They don't ask permission to
defend themselves. That is a nation built with a shovel
in one hand and a rifle in the other. And
when individuals are attacked by Iran, especially when Iran agreed
to the cease fire and the president put it out
on truth Social, in fact, he said, congratulations to everyone.
(03:27):
It's been fully agreed by and between Israel and Iran
that there will be a complete and total cease fire.
I held my breath because I thought, yeah, this is
kind of like the deal that Hamas does on a
regular basis. They always say the same thing, and then
the next thing you know, they're firing more missiles. So
I'm not the least bit surprised. So what is going
to happen in the days ahead? Will there be a
cease fire? If there is, will it hold? Well, for
more news on this, I turn to CBN news where
(03:49):
my friend Chris Mitchell reports.
S6 (03:51):
Israel and Iran agreed to President Trump's cease fire announcement,
but within hours, Iran fired two missiles toward northern Israel.
Israeli Defense Minister Israel Katz ordered the IDF to strike Tehran.
President Trump urged Israel to call off the response and
said he's unhappy with both sides.
S7 (04:10):
So I'm not happy with them. I'm not happy with
Iran either, but I'm really unhappy if Israel is going
out this morning because of one rocket that didn't land
that was shot, perhaps by mistake that didn't land. I'm
not happy about that.
S6 (04:25):
Just before the cease fire began, a deadly Iranian missile
slammed into the southern Israeli town of Beersheba. CBN Middle
East correspondent Julie Stahl visited the scene.
S8 (04:36):
The seven story building behind me got a direct hit
from Iranian missile, just about the time the cease fire
was supposed to take effect. One bystander commented that this
is what an Iranian ceasefire looks like. Killing Jews to
the last minute.
S6 (04:52):
President Trump posted the cease fire announcement on Monday night.
Congratulations to everyone. It has been fully agreed by and
between Israel and Iran that there will be a complete
and total cease fire. He followed that with another post
that said, Israel and Iran came to me almost simultaneously
and said, peace. I knew the time was now. The
(05:15):
world and the Middle East are the real winners. This
just hours after Iran launched a barrage of missiles at
a U.S. military base in Qatar. 13 of the 14
missiles were intercepted and the attack did little damage. Iran
notified Qatar of the attack beforehand, giving the U.S. time
(05:36):
to prepare. After Trump's announcement, the Israeli government released a
statement and said it achieved the main goals of its
military operations against Iran. Israel has removed a dual immediate
existential threat both in the nuclear field and in the
field of ballistic missiles. In addition, the IDF achieved complete
(05:58):
air control over the skies of Tehran. Inflicted severe damage
on the military leadership and destroyed dozens of central Iranian
government targets in the past two days. The IDF also
hit Evin Prison, the headquarters of the Bee-gees, and the
Israel destruction Clock inside Tehran.
S9 (06:18):
These are not sites that have strategic significance, but they
have immense political significance. They are the pillars, if you will,
of this horrendous regime. And by bombing them, Israel has
weakened that regime. And so, ultimately, the greatest guarantee we
have for a non-nuclear, non-dangerous, non-threatening Iran is by the
(06:39):
removal of the regime.
S6 (06:40):
Also on Monday, Reza Pahlavi, the son of the late
Shah of Iran, presented himself as a figure who can
unify the country if the Iranian government Collapses, he said.
The regime is on its last legs.
S10 (06:54):
The Islamic Republic is collapsing. Credible reports indicate that Ali
Khamenei's family and the family of senior regime officials are
making preparations to flee Iran.
S6 (07:10):
It remains to be seen if this cease fire will
provide a lifeline to the ayatollah, or if the 12
day war has so weakened the regime that the people
of Iran could rise up to overthrow the government. In
an ominous statement, the head of Iran's Atomic Energy Organization
said it plans to restart their nuclear program. Chris Mitchell
(07:31):
CBN news, Jerusalem.
S1 (07:33):
So you and me praying for the situation far from over.
Now again, one of the concerns is Iran retaliates by
sleeper cells that have worked their way into the United States.
The previous administration we had porous borders, millions of people
poured in. And CBS news now reports that 11 Iranians
have been arrested in the last 48 hours by Ice.
Have a listen.
S5 (07:52):
The Department of Homeland Security says Yousef Merendino had been
living in the United States illegally for nearly eight years,
since U.S. officials determined he lied on a visa application.
On Sunday, just four months after the Iranian foreign national
was added to the U. S known or suspected terrorist list,
he was arrested in central Mississippi. He's now in Ice
(08:15):
custody pending removal proceedings. And he's not alone. Over the
past 48 hours, Ice officials have arrested 11 Iranian nationals
spanning eight states nationwide. Among them, five possessed previous criminal convictions,
their crimes ranging from grand larceny to drug and firearm possession.
Also among those apprehended, Ribar Karimi while arresting him in
(08:40):
northern Alabama. Ice officials say they found his Islamic Republic
of Iran Army identification card and allege he served as
an Iranian sniper between 2018 and 2021.
S1 (08:54):
So more reasons for us to keep praying. Absolutely. Now
we're going to trust in the Lord. He's still on
the throne. He hasn't been unseated despite what's going on
in the Middle East. But it's an opportunity yet again
for you and me to be praying for those in authority,
particularly now as the world leaders are meeting at NATO,
all of them talking about world economic situations. But obviously
Zelenskyy is there and there are other representatives from other countries. So,
(09:17):
you know, they're going to be talking about wars, rumors
and wars, coalitions, alliances, the list goes on and on
and on. I don't know about you, but if there
were ever a meeting when wisdom needs to take a
seat at the table, it would be that meeting. Also,
pray for those in authority in Iran and in Israel,
but particularly pray for the people of Iran and Israel.
They all want liberty and freedom, and particularly the people
(09:38):
of Iran, who would love for there to be a
regime change. But they're hungry for something more than what
they've had for the last 46 years. Pray for them
back after this. The questions that matter most often come
(09:58):
while watching a sunset, or listening to music, or looking
into the night sky. That's why I've chosen. Have you
ever wondered, as this month's truth tool? God draws us
to himself through a sense of awe and wonder, and
this book will help you discover how. As for your
copy of. Have you ever wondered when you'd give a
gift of any amount in the market? Call eight 7758,
that's eight 7758 or go to in the market with
(10:21):
Janet Parshall.
S11 (10:27):
Britain's parliament voted on Tuesday to decriminalise abortion in England
and Wales.
S12 (10:33):
The eyes are right.
S11 (10:34):
379 lawmakers voted 379 to 137 to end prosecutions of
women for ending pregnancies. Abortions have been legal in England
and Wales for nearly 60 years, but only up until
24 weeks, and with two doctors approvals. Women choosing to
end a pregnancy after that could face criminal charges and
(10:56):
up to life in prison, while criminal charges for breaking
the law are rare. They've risen since the pandemic, when
a change in the law allowed abortion pills to be
taken at home within ten weeks of conception. Tonia Antoniazzi,
a Labour member of Parliament who proposed the amendment, said
the law had been used to investigate 100 women in
the last five years. That included some women who had
(11:18):
given birth prematurely or had been forced into abortions by
abusive partners. The proposal to decriminalise abortion could still change
or be rejected, as it's part of a bigger bill
going through Parliament. If passed, it would bring the abortion
laws in England and Wales in line with other Western countries,
including France, Canada and Australia. Some politicians warned the amendment
(11:41):
was rushed and could have unintended effects. Rebecca Paul, a
conservative member of Parliament, said it could see, quote, fully
developed babies be aborted by a woman with no consequences,
while women under the proposed law would not face prosecution.
Medical professionals who assist them in getting abortions after 24
(12:01):
weeks would still be liable. In May, a British woman
was acquitted after taking abortion pills past the legal limit,
saying she didn't know how far along she was.
S1 (12:13):
That, by the way, is a major problem that we've
discussed on this programme over and over again. It's why
the abortion pills went all the way up to the
United States Supreme Court. There is a limit. If you
read the label and you apply it of no more
than ten weeks gestational age, and one of the concerns
people have said put some guardrails back in around this
medication is if mama like this story reports doesn't know
(12:33):
how far along she is, is she going to hemorrhage
to death in the bathroom? Who's going to be there?
How is that pro-woman? We know that it's going to
kill the baby, but it might kill the mother, too.
How is this a good idea? So this little abortion pill,
which is really two pills and a two step regime,
is really manufactured in hell. And it is completely changed
this debate. So David Robertson didn't skip a beat on this.
And he writes an article for Christian today, not to
(12:55):
be confused with Christianity Today. And his opening line is this.
At first I didn't take it seriously. I heard the
news that a couple of amendments to the Crime and
Policing Bill were coming to the UK Parliament to, in effect,
allow abortion on demand up to birth. And I assumed
that this was the work of the radical extremists who
think that any woman should be able to kill her
own child up to birth. I assumed that such an
(13:15):
extreme measure would be overwhelmingly rejected, but I was wrong.
And then some. David joins us from Australia, where it
is tomorrow. So I always say in terms of my eschatology,
I guess it means that the Lord doesn't come tomorrow
because David's living there and we're having this conversation, and
I know he loves Jesus and I know he follows him.
He is a Scottish Presbyterian minister, is currently serving as
(13:37):
Scots Kirk, Newcastle, New South Wales in Australia. He broadcasts,
he writes, he blogs, he does a column. He hosts
The Quantum of the Wee Flea, and he's a fabulous writer.
We get to talk to him on a monthly basis,
and I am so grateful. And I have a link
to The Wee Flea so you can follow his writings,
because he is Johnny on the spot with all of
these stories that are making headlines, including reacting rightfully and
(13:58):
immediately to this unconscionable move inside the Parliament. David, the
warmest of welcomes, I want to cut right to this. Why?
What was the need? What was the move to be
able to do this? Because I think the conservative MP
was right when she said that this is going to
open the doors to be able to say you can
have abortion up to the moment of birth. Talk to
me about this.
S13 (14:19):
Yeah. It's a it's a sad day, you know, um,
I let me let me just say at the beginning
that as, as always, Janet, I was thinking about this.
It's a privilege to talk to you. We talk every month.
And I think it was about ten years ago that
we had a one off conversation. And it's just kept going.
So truly, it's been brilliant. You know, one day I
hope we meet up before we get to heaven. You
(14:41):
know about what? One day I'll come over to the
States and surprise you. And we can do something in
your studio. That would be lovely.
S1 (14:47):
I would love.
S13 (14:48):
It. Or you could. Or you could come over here.
S14 (14:50):
Um, I would love. One of the.
S13 (14:52):
Things I do here is I do write. And, you know,
it's so interesting because I wrote about this and, um,
I incidentally, I also wrote an article on, uh, what
happened a couple of days later when euthanasia was approved
by the UK Parliament and talked about it being a
quiet judgment. But I spoke about this as an absolute evil.
(15:14):
I felt very passionately about it. I mean, two things
have amazed me about about that. Number one is both
my articles have been the two most popular articles on, uh,
the Christian Today website ever since I wrote them, and
that is simply because Christians want clarity about this, you know,
(15:36):
and they want information. And that's incidentally, I'll just put
a plug in for your show that that's what you do.
You provide information which is really helpful and helps helps
us to pray. And the other thing that struck me
is by using the phrase absolute evil. This is always
the case. Immediately there were Christians who picked up on
that and said, whoa, whoa, tone down the language. This
isn't helpful. You know, and I'm going, what do you
(15:59):
call it? What do you call it when you say
to a mother, you can kill your baby one hour
before they are born, but if you kill them an
hour after they are born, you'll be prosecuted. And the answer,
of course, is that this bill was it is not.
(16:22):
It's not even about abortion. It's about infanticide. And one
of the things, and you and I have talked about
this before, I've been saying this for years. As the
West turns away from Christianity, particularly in the United Kingdom.
We are not progressing to a secular nirvana. We are
regressing to a Greco-Roman pagan view of the world. And
(16:44):
I the fact that MPs voted for this. I'm not
usually shocked by what they do, but they voted by
such a large majority for it, which indicates both the
level of their stupidity. And I'm saying that word advisedly
because they were they bought into the oh, we don't
want to prosecute the, you know, they name a couple
(17:05):
of cases. And let me just say this always exceptions
always make bad rules.
S14 (17:09):
Yes, yes.
S13 (17:10):
But they didn't think about what they were doing. They
didn't know that they were legalising, in effect, infanticide. And
that made me feel sick.
S1 (17:17):
Yeah. Well, there's so much more to this. And I
do want to talk about the assisted suicide part of
this as well. David Robertson is with us. I cannot
stress enough how much you're missing if you don't follow
him on X. And if you don't go to the wifely.com,
that is his website. He just writes prolifically about a
wide variety of topics. But the best part? Always from
a biblical perspective, I just love it. More with David
(17:39):
Robertson right after this.
S15 (17:57):
Is this is a leaf.
S16 (18:00):
As teary appeals rolled. A ten foot tall puppet of
a British judge brandishing a syringe loomed with. Opponents of
a bill that would open the door to legal assisted death.
S17 (18:12):
As a Christian. It's murder. It's wrong. The scriptures say
thou shalt not kill.
S16 (18:17):
Critics say it would put the vulnerable at risk, and
that end of life care needs to be improved so
people would choose to live. Just steps away. Proponents of
that bill stood calmly in solidarity with the bright pink
campaign for Dignity in Dying.
S18 (18:35):
My best friend died crying in agony, begging us to
put an end to her life. It's just everybody's personal choice.
S16 (18:42):
Jenny hopes for that choice. She has terminal cancer and
says she wants a more humane way to die.
S19 (18:50):
To allow my children to see me in a peaceful
state would be so much better for them.
S16 (18:56):
Inside Parliament's House of Commons.
S20 (18:59):
Order, order.
S16 (19:00):
Ministers debated passionately but respectfully. Kim Leadbeater introduced the bill.
S21 (19:06):
Any one of us or our loved ones could be
unfortunate or unlucky enough to receive a terminal diagnosis.
S16 (19:12):
The legislation applies to people expected to live six months
or less. Two doctors would need to give approval, then
a judge. The person must administer the lethal drugs themselves.
S22 (19:24):
The eyes to the right 330. The nose to the
left 275.
S16 (19:31):
The result in favour was met only with murmurs, ministers
reflecting on the gravity of their vote.
S1 (19:40):
Same thing. Nothing new under the sun. It's the same
shtick they used in the United States to try to
push it. It's the same angle they took with Canada,
and it's a manipulation of language, and we'll get into
that in a bit. But this was A12 punch. This
all took place last week in the UK. In fact,
it was a week ago today that this vote on
decriminalizing abortion was voted on. Two days later they dealt
(20:04):
with assisted suicide. So I'm going to unpack these one
at a time. David Robertson is with us. He graciously
joins us all the way from Australia. I always thank
the Lord for the technology so that we can connect together.
He wears many hats, all of them wonderfully. Broadcaster, writer, blogger, columnist,
host of The Quantum of the Wee Flea and most importantly,
the Scottish Presbyterian minister serving right now at Scots Kirk,
(20:25):
Newcastle in New South Wales. I want to do a
crash course on discernment because this is why I say
in this program regularly be a good Berean test, all things,
and know when you're being taken captive, as it says
in the book of Colossians. Colossians three. Vain and hollow philosophy.
So I have to tell you, this is a headline
that was in Reuters now. Reuters is a news service
that provides news, quite literally for copy around the globe.
(20:47):
And I want you to hear the power of language
to manipulate. Here's what the Reuters headline said for the
vote in the UK. UK Parliament votes to decriminalise abortion
comma repeal Victorian era law. Now every one of you
just had the same reaction. It was like, oh it's arcane.
Oh goodness. We of course we've got to get rid
of it. We're so modern now. We want to get
(21:08):
rid of old fashioned ideas. Really? Well, truth never goes
out of style. Transcendent, objective. Knowable. Truth is always there.
The same yesterday, today and forever. And the idea of
being able to kill your child an hour before they're born,
as David just put out in that hypothetical, although sadly,
it's a reality, would be protected an hour after you're
(21:29):
going to be prosecuted is absolutely ludicrous. So this is
how they started it. Britain's parliament voted on Tuesday to
decriminalise abortion in England and Wales, to stop a growing
number of women from being investigated by police for terminating
pregnancies under legislation dating back to the mid 19th century. Now,
do you understand there's a remedy in that paragraph? Rather
than saying open the floodgates of hell, let them go
(21:50):
all the way through abortion, how about you work on
your policing aspects first, you didn't need to open the gates.
And then it goes on to say abortion has been
legal in England and Wales for almost 60 years, but
only up to 24 weeks. And with the approval of
two doctors, women can face criminal charges if they decide
to end a pregnancy after 24 weeks. Under a Victorian
era law that carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment.
(22:13):
I bet if you looked at the books, you'd see
little to no women who have ever spent life in
prison for getting an abortion. David, this is this is
the part where saints have to grow up. This is
a 500 level Sunday school class, not a 100 level.
And they're going to have to understand manipulation, delusion, and
vain and hollow philosophies of what this is. So it's arcane.
It's an old idea. A woman could go to prison
(22:34):
for a year. All of this yellow journalism, no facts,
all emotion. It's ludicrous on its face. But at its core,
it challenges truth, does it not?
S13 (22:45):
Well, it it absolutely challenges truth. I mean, and what
you've said there is we need to be very careful
how we manipulate it. So you gave one example of
the Victorian. Well, you know, the Victorians also thought it
was a rather bad idea to murder people. If that's
a Victorian.
S14 (23:00):
Law.
S13 (23:01):
Should we get rid of it? You know, so I
think that that's an, you know, an issue. It's just
this idea that somehow being more modern, we are more civilised.
You know, I hope and pray that in 100 years time,
people will be looking back and it won't be you
and I, but I don't think so. Anyway, people will
(23:22):
be looking back, going, ah, you know, Weren't they barbaric
in the 21st century that they slaughtered their babies? You know,
because it's much the same way as we look back
at the barbarism of slavery, although many people at the
time supported it the other way that they manipulate and
use language. You notice the little clip there where the
(23:44):
girl says about her friend dying in agony.
S1 (23:47):
Yes.
S13 (23:48):
And of course, everyone immediately goes, oh no, no, we
can't have that. That's terrible. If you don't support euthanasia,
you're supporting people dying in agony. There's absolutely no no
need for anyone to die in agony. Uh, you know,
we can all tell different stories, but the fact is
that palliative care. I remember I did a debate on
euthanasia many years ago, and one of the people on
(24:09):
our side was a doctor. The person on their side. Incidentally,
it was very interesting that all the people on their
side were very posh, wealthy people who were just concerned
entirely about autonomy. They wanted to be in control, which
is what this issue really is about.
S14 (24:23):
Yes.
S13 (24:23):
And dying there was he? This man was a palliative
doctor and he said, there is no need for anyone
to die in agony. Well, if that was true ten
years ago, it's certainly true. Today. We provide palliative care.
We don't kill people so that they avoid pain.
S1 (24:39):
Thousand percent. Spot on. By the way, that's why there's hospice.
I'm glad you used the word palliative care. That's exactly right.
This was a woman who didn't get proper pain management.
There's always another way than playing God. Back after this.
(25:00):
Christians are called to go into the marketplace of ideas.
Throughout history, men and women of God have been thought leaders,
innovators and forces for good. We want this program to
continue in that bold tradition. Join me by becoming a
partial partner. Your monthly gift will make a difference as
we help Christians take a bold stand in the marketplace
of ideas. Call today 877 Janet 58 or go online
(25:20):
to in the market with Janet So appreciate and admire
David Robertson. He is joining us all the way on
the other side of the globe, where it is tomorrow morning.
I'm so glad he comes and visits on a regular basis,
because we learned so much from his Biblio centric thinking,
and I love the way this precious Scottish apologist knows
(25:40):
how to apply the whole truth, the whole gospel, to
the whole world around him. So not only is he
a minister at Scots Kirk, Newcastle in New South Wales
in Australia, but he's a tremendous communicator and every time
the Lord opens the door, a platform for him to go.
You heard him talking about debating euthanasia in the past.
He goes and he represents Jesus Christ as an ambassador
and does a superb job. He writes, he blogs, he
(26:02):
writes columns. We talked about his piece that just showed
up in Christian today, both on the euthanasia bill, the
the assisted suicide bill and the abortion bill as well.
And he's got a fabulous podcast called The Quantum of
the We Flee. You can learn all about this by
going to the Weekly.com, the Weekly.com. So I want to
go back if I can, just a little bit because
I think these are such serious issues that we need
(26:23):
to be thinking biblically about this. So two days after
the abortion pill, they moved to pass and again, an
overwhelming vote. The terminally ill adults end of life law,
which gives mentally competent terminally ill. These are important phrases
in the law. Adults in England and Wales with six
months or less to live, the right to choose to
end their lives with medical help. First thing they went
(26:45):
through my mind, David, is the Scripture that says it's
appointed unto man once to die, and after that the judgment.
So man and his hubris says, I've determined it's going
to be six months. What if God says no? That's
a mortal's perspective. I, the creator and author of life,
who appointed when you would arrive and when you will depart,
you have a different plan in mind, and it's longer
than that. And so you've you've jumped ahead, decided that
(27:07):
you know better than God. And it's, it's there's an
arrogance in that. At its core, I'm not being unkind
by any stretch of the imagination. My mother was a
hospice nurse. But I'm really and truly saying at its core,
there's a sense of arrogance about this. That man knows
better than God. Number one. Number two, this is always
the opening salvo. This is how it started out. Made
now is out of control in Canada. My Canadian listeners
(27:29):
right now are nodding their head in agreement. You start
out with the idea that you're mentally competent and then
you start moving as they're doing it in Belgium and Switzerland,
where now you're going to go to the mentally incompetent
or you're depressed or you have down's, or you just
want to end life because you're weary of life. This
is the opening door. It never stops here. So how
does a Christian respond to all of this?
S13 (27:51):
Yeah, I mean, some people want to bury their heads
in the sand, you know, and just say, let's not
do this. I mean, we've got to speak truth, you know,
into the lies. We've got to show light in the darkness.
You know, you were saying before how things get manipulated that, um,
that bill, this will maybe help your listeners understand how
(28:12):
these things work and how we need to think about language. Remember,
it's the devil who who confuses and who's the father
of lies. So that Bill was actually called assisted dying.
We moved from euthanasia to assisted suicide to assisted dying.
Now I say to people, I am all for assisted dying.
(28:32):
I refuse to give up the language to those who
twist it and change it, because assisted dying is is
to assist people who are dying. It's to give them
palliative care. It's like when my mother in law died
from cancer, she didn't want any further chemotherapy because she said,
I'm ready to be with the Lord. You know, he
knows when I'm going. You don't need to keep me going,
(28:53):
you know, etc.. So withdrawing that treatment wasn't, um, killing her,
providing her with pain relief was assisting her as she died.
And we all want that. But what they're talking is
assisted suicide. And I'll give you another example. And without
mentioning names here in Australia, uh, what they call voluntary
assisted dying. And often it's not voluntary because the, the
(29:13):
pressure is put on people because of finance and all
your your family's inheritance, and you don't want them to
see you in pain. All the emotional abuse that goes
on with this, that in reality, uh, what happens is, uh,
even Christian organizations, if someone who's staying in a care
home that's a Christian care home, wishes to have voluntary
assisted dying, the care home doesn't have to do it,
(29:35):
but they have to let someone come in to do it.
And I can think of one example of a member
of staff who told me that, uh, a client had said,
you know, uh, I'm going to die tomorrow at 3:00.
And she said, the blackness and the darkness and the
misery over the whole place. You know, people think, oh,
(29:58):
this is great. This is wonderful. No it's not. You're
going to go meet your maker. You no more have
the right to take your own life than you have
the ability to decide when you come into the world.
S14 (30:08):
Exactly.
S13 (30:08):
You know, and I know that there are hard cases,
and I know that there are great difficulties. And I
pray that I don't live in pain. And I know
that when my father died, I felt a sense of relief,
and I understand all of that. But under no circumstances
am I prepared to let the state have the right
to kill people, even if it's supposed to be voluntary,
because it soon becomes involuntary. 10% of euthanasia cases in
(30:31):
the Netherlands and Belgium are involuntary. In Canada, 49% of
young people think that if you're poor, you should be
eligible for, uh, maid, you know? It is unbelievably wicked.
And it will only get worse. And Christians need to
think about this properly. We need to understand the enormous
(30:52):
value that we have on life. I quote in my
article about the evil, um. Hitler's secretary Traudl Junge, said
that Hitler's view on Christianity that it was an outdated
religion which, amongst other things, sought to keep alive the
weak and those who didn't deserve to live. Well, people
go on and on and on about the Nazis and maybe,
(31:13):
you know, they say you shouldn't bring them in. But
I'll tell you this. Euthanasia, abortion on demand and everything else.
You don't get anything more Nazi than that. It is
absolute evil. And I am not afraid to say that.
But I am ashamed of Christians who try and back
away from it. Of course there are difficult cases. Of
(31:33):
course we we're not heartless and things. You know. I
don't want to die in pain. I've come very, very
close to death, and I've been in a lot of pain. But, um,
you know, by the way, I need to tell you this.
This was a funny story when I was in hospital,
and I was in a coma in and out of
a coma. Uh, my teenage daughter, who was 14 years
old at the time, um, the staff said I was
(31:54):
in a, you know, the high dependency unit and critically,
critically ill. And they said, why don't you, you know,
read your father some of your work from school. So
she came in and she read me her essay on euthanasia,
and they were horrified and and And my mother said, oh, sorry.
(32:14):
My mother, my wife said, oh no, he would absolutely
love that. He would absolutely love that. You know, that would.
So oh my goodness. So it was just priceless, you know. Um, but, uh,
you know, we we have got to stand for life.
If we don't stand for for life, what's the point
(32:35):
of us being Christians?
S1 (32:37):
Thank you. Yeah. I love the eloquence of your writing.
I'm the one. Both of them, by the way. You
can find this at Christian TODAY.com and you will see
literally there's a column called Most Popular. And David's right
there is his piece on what happened a week ago
today on abortion. And then there his piece is his
piece called The Quiet Judgment on the UK. And listen
to how he writes this. And so it has happened.
It came not as a bolt of lightning, not as
(32:59):
a flash of thunder, not with a mighty roar, like
an earthquake. It did not come in the form of war,
plague and famine. It came as the pale horse whose
rider was named death. Revelation six 68. The judgement of God.
I'm going to come back to that. The judgment of
God has finally come upon the United Kingdom. Quietly, silently,
like a thief in the night. It came in the
(33:20):
form of an irrational, emotive and godless Parliament who this
week voted to permit the killing of babies in the
womb up until birth, and now has introduced the National
Suicide Service with its vote to permit assisted suicide. God
has given us what we voted for. Now, before you respond, David,
let me just say in full disclosure, we're exactly in
the same place that the United States. I'm not finger
(33:40):
pointing at all. We are doing the exact same thing.
We have a movement of people who are trying to
get death on demand through every 50 states. Praise be
to God. It hasn't happened yet that some states have resisted.
There was an attempt to do it at the federal level.
Didn't happen. Thanks be to God. And now with the
abortion pill, even though we've got a decision that dismantled
the law in this country that allowed abortion on demand,
I have to tell you that there are states that
(34:02):
have counter moved against that. And they likewise allow exactly
what the Parliament voted on a week ago abortion up
through the moment of birth. Oh, and they'll tell you
we don't even we never do that. But then you
ask where the restrictions are, and they'll give you a
blank stare and not answer. So if God's judgment is
on the UK, it is likewise on the United States.
What does that mean for a believer to hear that
(34:22):
when we turn our back on some of the most
basic principles of His Word, why we can expect God's judgment?
S13 (34:30):
Well, I think it's Romans one. You know, I think
Romans one is just the most pertinent passage for today.
In fact, you know, to be honest, not just Romans one.
As I read through the Bible, I keep thinking, oh,
this is so relevant. Oh, this is so relevant. You know,
I find it amazing that people don't find the Bible relevant.
I mean, sometimes it's maybe people like, you know, preachers
like me, it's our fault because we, we sort of
(34:53):
try and, you know, update things. And in so doing
in adding to the word we take away from it
because the word is just relevant. It's just simply that.
And I think Romans one is really relevant and God's
judgment for me, God's judgment can come in different ways.
so God can punish us and discipline us as a
father disciplines his children, which is for good. God can
(35:16):
sometimes smite us, if you like. You know there can
be something drastic or really strong happen. But I think
the worst possible punishment is the Romans one one where
God says, okay, you didn't want me. You want to
do without me. Have it your way. You know, there's
a famous burger chain who said, you know, have it
your way. Of course. Frank Sinatra's I did it. I
(35:37):
did it my way. Uh, no. No. Christians, if we
do it our way, we just get things so wrong,
we really screw it up. You know, we just. We
make such a mess. And that's why it's actually compassionate
for us as Christians. Not just to yell and say, oh,
(35:57):
this is terrible. This is really bad. But we can
actually say to people, there is a better way. There's
the way of Christ, you know? And that's actually what
our culture has been built on. So, I mean, some
of us, you and I have been looking at this
kind of stuff for years and years and years, and
we see the trajectory on which we're going. And it's
(36:19):
it's not loving for us to keep quiet and look.
The Lord, this has happened before and the Lord has
turned it around before, and I pray he would do
so again.
S1 (36:27):
Yes, yes. But in the midst of all of this,
and you make such an important point, we are never
ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ with grace. The
Bible says, but seasoned with salt, you speak the truth
in love because in fact, that's the kindest, most loving
thing you can possibly do. God's laws are protective, not punitive.
More with David Robertson all the way from Australia right
(36:49):
after this. David Robertson is with us, Scottish Presbyterian minister,
currently the minister of Scots Kirk, Newcastle, New South Wales.
I've got a link to his website where there is
just chock full of information the Weekly.com. What else would
(37:11):
you expect a Scotsman to name his website the Wifli. Com.
He makes commentary on everything under the sun and it's fascinating,
including you can get access to the two articles that
I talked about before, and we started on a serious
note as well. We should, because literally we were talking
about life and death, but there's always a spot for
the absurd. And David picked up on it. And this
is I think it's important we end on this kind
(37:31):
of a story. You know, we talk about how we
struggle with words and we struggle with truth. Maybe it's
because we're dumbing down our students. So there is a private,
a very posh private school in London that apparently now
is going to teach a book by Panti Bliss, a
drag queen, and it's going to be taught alongside Shakespeare
as part of a diversification of literature program at a
(37:53):
£30,000 a year private school, the private school is teaching
pupils queer theory alongside the works of drag queen and
non-binary writers as part of a drive to diversify its
English curriculum. So the staff at the school, which is
southeast of London, said in a post that its English
department has introduced the authors as part of a five
(38:14):
year overhaul and general genuine diversification of the literature taught
at the school. It also disclosed that the £30,000 a
year co-educational day school was going to use Shakespeare's plays
to discuss racial and gender equality and challenge, quote, white centric,
patriarchal and cisgender ideologies. Yes, I'm sure that was very
(38:36):
much on his mind when he took out his quill
pen and was writing some of his plays. Oh my word, David,
how absurd. First of all, £30,000. These poor parents are
not going to get their money's worth. They're dumbing down
their kids.
S13 (38:48):
They are. Although, again, um, you know, can I say
in the race to the bottom in posh schools, the
United States is definitely winning.
S1 (38:56):
Yes. We drew guilty as charged.
S13 (38:59):
You know, I have I have seen I think there
was a school in New York that was $50,000 a year,
and the stuff that they were teaching, you know, I
would have sued them for it, never mind pay them.
I mean, the fact that that, you know. You wonder, uh,
the stupidity of humanity. So this particular school, what got
(39:22):
me about it was so they're teaching queer theory as
part of their diversity, equality and so on. Um, but
this is school that charges, what, $50,000 a year?
S1 (39:35):
Yeah, yeah.
S13 (39:35):
So let me tell you this in terms of diversity
and equality and so on. 95% of people in the UK,
if not more, could not afford to send their kids
to that school. That school is deliberately exclusionary by the
amount of money it costs you to go there. So
when it's like you get all these people, I mean,
(39:56):
we live in this crazy world where at least, at
least when when I grew up, there was kind of,
you knew that communists and socialists and so on, you know,
there was a kind of defined view of economics and
so on. Now you get billionaires calling themselves communists, you know,
or there's a wonderful presenter on the BBC who's not
really wonderful. She really annoys me. But, um, she, she, she, she, uh,
(40:21):
calls herself a luxury communist, you know? Yeah. Of course.
S1 (40:25):
That's an oxymoron.
S13 (40:26):
Isn't that what Marx? Yeah, that's what Marx meant. That's
exactly what he was saying. You know, millionaire communists. But
the point about it is this. They see everything through
this filter, which makes them feel virtuous. You know, they
themselves are almost certainly, you know, they'll be they'll be
white and they'll be wealthy and they'll be so on.
(40:48):
But because they stand up for the queer, it's like
the corporates now in the US, I have to say,
the US has seen a turnaround, I think, particularly since
Donald Trump has come to power, where there's less and
less sponsoring of pride marches, but for corporations, it was
an easy win. You could go and take money out
of anywhere. You could exploit whoever you want, but as
long as you had a pride flag, then hey, you were,
(41:10):
you know, standing up for the oppressed and you were
helping the poor, which was just an absolute lie. But
that's the insanity of where we're at in our culture.
And I think, you know, you and I, we can
talk about this, we can talk about the abortion. We
can talk about everything else. Well, people say, okay, it's
all very well to point out how crazy it is,
because you get people like Jordan Peterson and Douglas Murray
(41:30):
and others pointing out the craziness of it. But what's
your solution? Well, our solution is the gospel.
S1 (41:37):
Amen.
S13 (41:38):
You know, I had a guy come into my church
and he had a go at me last week, and
he ended up actually assaulting me. But he was saying,
you know, uh, I'm, you know, indigenous and, you know,
you're white scumbag. And, you know, I said, I just
looked at him and said, I couldn't care two hoots
about what your skin color is. I just don't care.
I care that you're a human being. I care that
you're somebody made in the image of God, and you
(41:59):
and I can talk on that basis, or you can
carry on with this rather pathetic justification for your abusive violence.
And I think that's where we need to go to people.
I think we need to point out what the evil is,
but the best way to show the evil is by
shining the light. And I think the gospel, all the
subjects that you and I discuss, the gospel has an
(42:20):
answer for it. We value the child in the womb
because they're made in God's image. They are fearfully and
wonderfully made. Psalm 139. We pray for and we value
the elderly, sick person who is dying because we know
that they will leave this world and they will go
to a place of their believer where there's no more tears,
no more pain, no more suffering. And if they're not
(42:41):
a believer, they will go and face judgment before God.
And so we urge them to repent. And when it
comes to education, we long for people to be taught
so that they can think so that they can be logical,
like their creator, the logos, so that they can appreciate
beauty and not be indoctrinated in the lies of the devil,
which is exactly what this school is doing, no matter
(43:02):
how posh it is.
S1 (43:04):
Yeah, couldn't agree more. Isn't there a wake up call
for parents on this? You know, the Bible tells us
to look well to the ways of our household. Even
if you can afford $50,000 a year to go to
a private school, I don't see scripture saying, that's right,
Mom and Dad, now you've given up your responsibility. You're
a parent by divine appointment, not by election. And so
it seems to me, when you see so much of
(43:25):
what's going on in the world, this is a clarion
call for moms and dads to do what Nehemiah said.
When you hear the sound of the trumpet to fight
for your families, is it not?
S13 (43:34):
Absolutely. And I think we are responsible for our children.
And yes, schools is great, and it's great to have
Christian schools, by the way. And John Knox argued, where
you have a church, there, you have a school. We
are responsible for our children, and we're responsible for how
we proclaim the gospel in this dark world. And the
dark darkness of the world just lets us shine the
light more brightly.
S1 (43:54):
Amen. What a note to end this conversation on. Wow.
This is why we love talking to David. In the meantime,
do a couple of things for me because I think
you're really missing out if you don't. You follow David
on X, right? He's remarkably in tune. He's been when
when the things were happening in the UK Parliament last week,
he was Johnny on the spot. He was reacting immediately.
He and I loved the way he responds to so
(44:14):
much of what is making news in the United States.
His astute observations are striking and you don't want to
miss them. But again, if you go to his website,
his podcasts are fabulous. His teaching of the Scripture is fabulous,
his understanding the world around us and applying the whole truth,
the whole word to that situation is remarkable. And it's
a tutorial for us because that's exactly what we're called
(44:34):
to do. It's can I use this word? It's applied Christianity,
taking the truth of the gospel and applying it to
the entire world around us. And as David just said,
God has given us the answer, the person of Jesus Christ,
and we get the privilege of telling his story. Now
go and tell. Thank you David. Thank you friends. See
you next time on In the Market with Janet Parshall.
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
24/7 News: The Latest
The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.