October 8, 2025 • 45 mins
Join us as we wing our way down under to catch up with David Robertson, our favorite Scottish commentator. Join us to get his reaction to the death of Charlie Kirk and how believers should respond. He will also comment on the recent march of over a million people who are trying to preserve British culture. He will also weigh in on the new female Archbishop of Canterbury. Don’t miss this opportunity to think critically and biblically.
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Here are some of the news headlines we're watching.
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The conference was over. The president won a pledge.
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Americans worshiping government over God.
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Extremely rare safety move by a major 17 years.
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The Palestinians and Israelis negotiated.
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Everything is not over.
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and we're going to get caught up with our favorite
Scottish apologist. He's got a lot to say about a
lot of things. But first, a couple of items on
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He is a guest every month. I'm already looking forward
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what we're going to talk about with him next. He's
that prolific and author, but he's that good a teacher.
So I've chosen his book, The Steadfast Love of God.
There's so many people who think you can lose your salvation.
So many people think that somehow God stops loving us.
We equate whatever relationship we had with an earthly father
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to a heavenly father, and if he's cruel, then he's
a vindictive Heavenly Father. If he's absence, he's the God
who's not there. All of these superimpositions that are not
necessarily who God is. In fact, if you want to
know who he is, read his love letters to you,
all 66 of them, from Genesis to Revelation. There you
will see the steadfast love of God over and over
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with Janet Parshall. Well, in case you hadn't noticed, uh,
we don't have a deal with Israel. Hostages have not
been returned. In fact, if anything, Hamas has just raised
its demonic head even higher and demanding that all of
any evidence of involvement in Gaza be withdrawn by Israel
before they do anything. In other words, the terrorist demonic
organization is trying to call the shots again. And yet,
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as we speak, we have representatives in Egypt from the
US supposedly trying to move us toward a deal in
the Middle East. Will it happen? I don't know, but
here's some insight from Julie Stahl at CBN news.
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Tens of thousands of Israelis attended the Bereaved Families National
Memorial ceremony marking the second anniversary of the October 7th attack.
The ceremony opened with a moment of silence, followed by
speeches from relatives of hostages and bereaved families.
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I know you're in pain and I can't hug you.
I hear you whisper. Come for me, mom. And I
can't protect you again.
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In Egypt, American mediator Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner arrived
for talks between Hamas and Israel on President Trump's plan
to free the hostages and end the war. 48 hostages,
20 of whom are believed to be alive, are still
in Gaza. In honor of October 7th, Israeli Prime Minister
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Benjamin Netanyahu said in a statement. We are in a
time of fateful decisions. We will continue to act to
achieve all the aims of the war, return all the hostages,
destroy the Hamas regime and ensure that Gaza no longer
poses a threat to Israel. Together we shall stand and together,
with God's help, we shall be victorious. The Israeli team,
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led by Strategic Affairs Minister Ron Dermer, arrives today. According
to The Times of Israel, an Israeli official says there
was optimism but very cautious, and warns that Hamas can
add obstacles at any moment and leave in Washington. New
Jersey representative Josh Gottheimer introduced bipartisan legislation honoring American hostages.
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The October 7th Gold Medal Act to award the Congressional
Gold Medal, the highest civilian honor bestowed by the United
States Congress, to the American hostages and victims of October 7th,
including those Americans who survived in captivity in Gaza, in
recognition of their profound suffering and sacrifice.
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Also in Washington, freed hostages shared their testimonies at a
vigil marking the second anniversary.
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I am here, standing in front of you today as
the result of a life saving agreement. That agreement was
secured through leaders who made it a priority. President Trump
and the US administration.
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The Hostage and Missing Families Forum nominated Trump for the
Nobel Peace Prize. In a letter, the president and his
wife Melania thanked them and said, please know that we
remain steadfastly committed to seeing an end, both to the
conflict and the wave of anti-Semitism, both at home and abroad.
Julie Stahl, CBN news, Jerusalem.
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And in the meantime, closer to home, we've got all
of these free Palestine rallies that are taking place. Here's
a report of what happened recently in Boston.
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A massive clash between pro-Palestine Ralliers and Boston police officers
on bikes. Police say several members within the group turned
on officers kicking cruisers, assaulting officers, blocking traffic and setting
off these devices, causing red smoke to shoot into the air.
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This is all part of the Flood Downtown for Palestine Rally,
which was posted up throughout the city and on several
student Justice for Palestine groups calling for support, claiming the U.S.
War Machine arms funds and protects every atrocity. Our fight
is here against the system that makes genocide, displacement and
starvation possible in these states of destruction.
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In the meantime, at the white House today, the president
held a roundtable discussion on Antifa, where journalists and these
are mostly independent journalists, talked about their interaction with antifa,
the death threats, the brandishing of weapons, the the atrocities
that these people have to deal with on a regular basis.
And out of that, the president was given several suggestions
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of how to deal with this organization. The most important,
and this is the headline of the day, is that
the president is calling now Antifa a terrorist organization. They
work their way in and through protest, exactly like the
one held in Boston. And what an embarrassment for the
world to see in the United States, these pro-Palestinian rallies
cheering two years after the horrific massacre that took place
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in Israel. We got a lot to talk about. Got
your seatbelts on. Okay. There's going to be no TSA,
no turbulence. And the fastest flight you've ever taken. David
Robertson from Down Under will join us when we return
right after this. Lamentations tells us that the steadfast love
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of the Lord never ceases. But sometimes it just doesn't
feel like that. That's why I've chosen the steadfast love
of the Lord as this month's truth tool. Doctor Sam
Storms will teach you that what the Bible says about
God's love is true. Ask for your copy of the
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That's 877 Janet 58 or go to in the market
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with Janet Parshall. He's a multi-talented man who loves the
Lord and says yes and follows him wherever he leads.
So for the longest period of time, he was in
his native Scotland, where he was the minister of a
church there, in Dundee in particular. And it's tough to
leave the city of Dundee in the Highlands of Scotland.
But the Lord said now it's time to go to Australia.
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So he packed up and he went down there, where
he is currently a Scottish Presbyterian minister, the Minister of Scots,
Kirk Newcastle in New South Wales in Australia. But it's
not just his pastoral duties, by the way. He has
several other things that he loves to do. He broadcasts,
he writes, he's a blogger, he's a columnist. And of
course he hosts The Quantum of the weekly podcast. And
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he also writes books and he writes some pretty important letters.
And that's where I want to start, because he wrote
an article that I thought was tremendously important. We talked
about the march in the UK on this program, where
there were upwards of a million people who took to
the streets in the UK very, very upset because they're
seeing what illegal immigration does to the country. Now, Keir
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Starmer's unfortunately awful suggestion to deal with the issue is
to make sure that everybody now has digital ID in fact,
has made the declaration that without digital ID you can't
have a job in the UK. Well, last time I checked,
there were 2.7 million people have already signed a petition
and that number rolls every single day who have said,
no way in the world will I do that. There
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have even been calls for the king to reconvene Parliament
and for him to set a new government, a vote
of confidence against Keir Starmer. ET cetera. ET cetera, et cetera.
The list goes on. In fact, it's interesting if you're
paying attention and you should be paying attention of the
parallels we're seeing over the pond to some of the
things we're dealing here in the United States, illegal immigration
being one of those issues. Well, there was a letter
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that was put out, and David Robertson responded to that letter.
He'll give you the background on this in just a moment.
In Christian today, not to be confused with Christianity Today,
Christian Today is an excellent publication that comes out of
the UK. But the headline reads thus Disuniting The Kingdom
An Open Letter to evangelical signatories of the anti Unite
the Kingdom letter. David, the warmest of welcomes. I have
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been so looking forward to you. I'm telling you, there's
so much happening in the UK right now. I can
hardly keep up with the facts, but I did want
to see what happened with that march. And I'm thankful
for global media so that I could listen to the
speakers and see how many people showed up, and to
watch the deportment and the way in which people handled themselves.
It was also disconcerting. We see the same kind of
thing here in the United States, where people would put
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up the George the Saint George flag, which is a
white field and a Red cross or the Union Jack.
And then people would follow behind and they would rip
them down. And the message clearly was, we want to
keep British culture. We want to still have a United Kingdom.
And yet you look around what's happening in the UK
and in various cities. There are five calls from the
mosque every single day. There are people praying in the
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middle of the streets of London. They're arresting people preaching
the gospel on the streets, but allow the minarets to
declare the call for prayer. So something very unsettling is happening.
And yet there were a group of people who wanted
to send out a letter about this march, and they
weren't particularly happy about this March. Talk to me about this.
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Yeah. Wow. There's so much in there. Um, you forgot
to mention in your introduction about the things that I
do is that I have a monthly, a monthly chat
with you, you know, and that's probably that's that's the
highlight of my month, you know. Thank you.
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Sir.
S12 (14:12):
I think I think I think bizarrely, I mean, I
need to warn anyone who thinks of getting involved in
your program that I think about ten years ago you
said we'll do a one off. And that was. And
every month since then, the one off has continued. So,
you know.
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Tells you what a marvellous guest you are, my friend.
It's so much to have to say that I want
to hear.
S12 (14:34):
Yeah, maybe. And then the other thing that made me
laugh was, uh, you said we're going with no turbulence.
I don't do that. We have lots of turbulence. Turbulence.
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I stand corrected, correct.
S12 (14:43):
Right. And and and in this one there is turbulence.
So here's the problem. It's a little bit complicated in
that there were about 150,000, maybe a quarter of a
million plus people who went on a march in London
around this idea of unite the kingdom. Now, it was
a bit controversial because it was associated with, you know,
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some people who would be considered and maybe would be
genuinely far right, or at least a bit controversial. But
there were lots of ordinary people involved. I know, uh,
people who were involved in it and who absolutely loved it,
and they were expressing a sentiment which is really important,
and it really is about the disuniting of the United Kingdom,
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not as many people suspected in terms of England, Scotland,
Ireland and Wales, but rather because of social divisions and
particularly religious. And the rise of Islam is a major,
major issue. Now, what bothered me about the the evangelicals
who signed this letter is that it's strange. They never
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signed a united letter about the numerous anti-Israel marches in
the UK, out of which has arisen, by the way,
this horrific, uh, murder of two Jews on Yom Kippur
in Manchester at the synagogue. Um, not a word about that. Plus,
they signed up with people who are not evangelical and who,
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in effect, deny the gospel. And what bothered me about
the letter was they said that rally contained racist, anti-Muslim
and far right elements. Well, every March I've ever been on,
and believe it or not, Janice, I used to go
on marches contain people who had more extreme views. Um,
but does that mean to say you never go on
that March, uh, miss their letter advising Christians not to
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go on pro-Palestinian marches? And then when they used the
term far right, far right is just a meaningless term.
There are far right people there. Nazis, you know, there
are people who are white supremacists or whatever, but the
vast majority the term far right has has been so
demeaned that, you know, you're a far right lunatic, and
I'm a far right. I'm way far right lunatic. You know,
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you're mild compared with me. Yet my nickname at university
was Red bull, you know? So, I mean, it's just
it it doesn't make any sense. And then the one
that really got me was they complained about the march
being anti-Muslim. And I thought, well, as evangelicals, are we
not at least anti-Islamic theology because in the United Kingdom.
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I mean, this is hard to believe, but the government
are about to introduce an Islamophobia law that if you
criticize Islam, it in effect means that if you criticize Islam,
you could be jailed for it. I mean, it's extraordinary
what's happening.
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Wow. Let me pick up on that point. Because again,
if it happens over there, David, it's just a hop,
skip and a jump before it potentially can happen here.
Or it takes up residency in Canada and then it
spills out over into our northern borders. But I want
you to think about what David just said. Because, remember,
our directive is to go and tell. It's why we
talk so often on this program about this precious liberty
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of free speech. It isn't a matter of saying, isn't
it wonderful? The government gave us this, right? No, no, no, no.
This is an inalienable right to be able to speak
out loud your sincerely held religious beliefs. And if the
government here were to pass a law that says you
can't speak aught against another religion, how would that bode
for the message that we have known as the offense
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of the cross back after this? We're visiting with David Robertson,
Scottish Presbyterian minister, currently the minister of Scots Kirk, in Newcastle,
New South Wales in Australia. Wonderful thinker, loves the word,
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knows how to apply the whole truth of the whole
gospel to the whole world. So I want to go
back to this march that took place and there was
some ridicule that it was, quote, anti-Muslim. And David, you
made a very important point, which is, wait, you can't
plant this is, you know, double minded man. This is
first Kings 18. You can't limp between two opinions. Either
a law is God or God is God, but they
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both cannot be God. And the tenets of of Islam
cannot coexist with the tenets of Christianity. They stand in
stark opposition one to another. Now, that doesn't mean our
deportment toward people who follow Islam. He's not willing that
any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
So we always are ambassadors for Christ in our interaction.
But there is a public policy aspect to this because
Islam is not just a religion, it is a geopolitical system.
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So let me go back to what you said. It's
a bombshell you dropped just before the break, which is
right now, Parliament is literally considering whether or not they're
going to pass legislation that prohibits any negative comments about Islam.
If a pastor were to set up in his pulpit
and he were to say, this is what the Bible says,
this is what Islam says, this is what Jesus said.
This is what Muhammad said. It wouldn't take much at
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all for someone to trigger and say, well, that's Islamophobic.
Therefore you're guilty. We're already watching police come and arrest
people at 2:00 in the morning for unhappy posts. Going
after pastors would be no problem whatsoever. So talk to
me about this.
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Yeah. So I think what you need to realize is
people use the word hate, you know? So if it's
perceived to be hateful to somebody, um, now we've seen
this in different ways. There was a Catholic priest in Spain,
has been found guilty of Islamophobic remarks, and he's going
to face up to three years in jail. I think
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his name is Custodio Ballester. Now, I've got here in
front of me. What he actually said was he said,
Islam does not allow for dialogue. You either believe or
you're an infidel who must be subdued one way or another.
He also suggested that Islam poses a threat to Europe.
Now the Association of Spanish Muslims against Islamophobia, it's just
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amazing that that actually exists. Yes. Uh, brought a case
against the priest, and he's been found guilty. And he
could go to jail for for three years for saying that. Now,
that's that's the kind of thing in terms of the UK.
So let me put it bluntly, I just did a,
I did a podcast on Islam. Um, I could go
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to jail for that podcast, you know, because I, I
say that Islam and we're very, very interesting conversation with
Tom Holland, the historian and the guys of a podcast
called trigonometry, where Holland says that Islam is incompatible with
Western liberal democracy. And he's quite right. And by the way,
we don't blame Muslims for that because the Muslims are
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just following their faith. I blame I'm sorry to use
these words, but I blame the idiots who don't realize
what Islam is and particularly, um, dare I say it,
the rather unintelligent people on the campuses of Yale and
Harvard and so on who are going around shouting things like,
you know, queers for Gaza or whatever, you have no idea.
They have no idea what Islam is and but ironically,
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my saying what Islam is could end up with me, uh,
being charged in that respect now. I mean, it is
it is unbelievable. And let me just put another thing
on this as well. This is where Christianity is different.
We don't argue that Muslims shouldn't have the right to worship.
We don't believe in coercion, in worship. And if Muslims
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wish to build a mosque and they wish to, you know,
all that is fine, providing it remains within the law.
It's not a mosque used by jihadis or whatever, but
that also means that we have the freedom and the
right to proclaim Christ, to critique Islam, and so on.
And if Muslims do not accept that we have that right,
then they have no place in our society, because the
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point of our society is that it has rules, and
the rules are above all in the United States. You
cannot lose this, you know, freedom of speech, freedom of religion.
I reckon in most areas where Islam gets to around 10%
and you've got some cities in the United States where
it's way beyond that. Now you see that, you see
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examples of that coming across, and you will find that
they are fundamentally intolerant. First of all, they say you've
got to tolerate us. And we say, well, of course
we do, because that's our position as Christians. Then they
get into position of power and they say, you're not
allowed to offend us, which is the stage we're at
just now. And then when they get more power, they
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will say that the practice of your religion offends us,
you know, and and they will ban it. So I
think and I used to think an Islamic takeover of
the West was highly unlikely. But I think a combination
of the progressives and Muslims and the Islamic, uh, I mean,
it's amazing that these two ally themselves as well. It
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shows you how insane and stupid society is because you
couldn't get more anything anti-Muslim in one sense than the other.
The progressive idea. And yet it's the progressives who are
pushing the Islamophobia thing. And I mean, it's it's madness.
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And I concur, that comes from and I say this judiciously,
but I think I say it accurately. It comes from
a place of ignorance. You can't say queers for Gaza
without understanding that they behead homosexuals. So it's just it
tells me you haven't done your homework. But to that point,
I love to watch what's going on in Parliament. We
have the same thing here, where cameras often dead roll
just within the chambers of Congress, and you can watch
for yourself to see what's happening. And I very frequently
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do that with Parliament as well. And I literally sat
and watched an argument for the establishment of Sharia law.
And the argument was under the guise of, quote, religious tolerance,
this from the land of the Magna Carta. So when
we come back, talk to me about what in the
world would happen to British jurisprudence. I can tell you
what would happen with American jurisprudence if they instituted Sharia law.
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It has nothing to do with religious liberty. Are you
going to say now to the girls who would go
to an all girls private boarding school, you can't go now,
because under Sharia law, girls can't get education. And by
the way, this six year old can marry this man
of 37. Under Sharia law. And by the way, the
husband can beat the wife under Sharia law. So you
can throw every domestic violence law on the books in
the UK out the window. How in the world could
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someone elected to serve in Parliament even think you could
have a two tiered judicial system? I'll get your reaction
to that and more when we come back. In the meantime,
follow David on X and go to his website, The
Wee Flea. It's excellent. Great information back after this. As
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with Janet Parshall. We always enjoy our conversations with David Robertson.
He loves the Lord, he loves the Word of God,
and he loves people. And he knows how to apply
the whole truth of the whole gospel to the whole world.
And he does it not only as a minister of
a church in New South Wales, in Australia and Newcastle.
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It's called Scots Kirk, but he also does it as
a blogger, a broadcaster, a columnist and of course, the
host of his own podcast called The Quantum of the
Wee Flea. So I want to go right back to
what we were talking about before. And this, this. And
it started as a springboard with some, quote, evangelicals, along
with not evangelicals, putting out a letter saying that they
didn't appreciate the march, where basically, it's what we see
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here in the streets of the United States to saying
our culture is being diluted by illegal immigration, and we're
being forced not only to accept, but to acquiesce. And
somehow there's precedent. And you talked about that 20%, that 10%
factor that's out there. And we're seeing that in some
cities here in the United States. So I watch what's
happening because it's coming this way. And so it gives
me a sense of being one beat ahead of the music,
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as the conductor will tell us. And so I watch
in Parliament the introduction of Sharia law under the guise
of religious tolerance. Well, it is anything but. So talk
to me. And I put this to you just before
the break. David, you cannot have coexisting British jurisprudence and
Sharia law. The two are mutually exclusive. There is within
the tenets of Sharia law, the antithesis of some of
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the things that are already written into law in the UK.
So how in the world does someone think that you
would even adjudicate these two things? You draw a circle
around a part of Manchester where there's a high Islamic population,
and say it doesn't count for them, they get to
live by their own law.
S12 (27:29):
Yeah. So it's a little bit more complex than that
in that, uh, what I would say is, again, this
is again part of the ignorance. So what happened in
parliament was a government minister was asked about this and
she first of all, kind of denied that there was
Sharia law and then said, even if there is, this
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is religious tolerance because, you know, the Roman Catholics have
their church council, the Anglicans have their synod, and the
Presbyterians have their Kirk session or whatever. Well, she didn't
say Kirk session because she didn't know. But our presbytery now,
it is quite funny. I mean, I have been called
the Tartan Taliban. You know, the idea is that, you know,
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that the the churches that we run, people's lives, that
we dominated, you know, and you couldn't get a job
unless you were part of the church. You couldn't do this.
And I'm going, na na, sorry. This ain't you know,
this isn't Savannah or Jackson, Mississippi, you know, um, where
you have to be a Baptist to get, you know.
But that's not that's not how it operates. We know that.
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But that's the image that people have, and they have
this image of of, you know, black suited Presbyterian elders
dominating and so on. And it's complete nonsense because we
have church courts to deal with church matters. Now, the
Muslims would say, you say, they would say, well, we're
dealing with. Um, well, they wouldn't say, uh, mosque matters.
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They would say Islamic matters. But the trouble is, for Islam,
everything is Islam. Everything has to submit. So the concern
with Sharia law is there are already 80 Sharia courts
in the United Kingdom. I think about half of them
in and around London. They do not apply to people
who are not Muslims. That's the first thing to say.
But it does mean that an alternative jurisdiction is being
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held within the country, and it does allow for the
oppression of women. For example, the, uh, Manchester, the man
who stabbed.
S1 (29:32):
Um.
S12 (29:32):
Uh, those two Jews, he has three wives. You know,
now that's illegal in British law, but under Sharia law,
it's not. In fact, you're allowed up to four in Islam.
And so that's the kind of issue where it's an
alternative system being set up. And what you will find
is you mentioned rightly that there will be areas of ghettoization,
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which is always terrible. And you need to look across
the channel to France to see the chaos that that
has brought. So again, I think we're, we're, we're I
think with Christians, we need to be careful about two things.
First of all, we need to not project onto the
world the way that we would like it to be.
So we might like to say, well, look, Islam is
basically peace loving, and that's how we would like it
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to be. Well, it's not, you know, and and Islam is,
is a theology of politics as much as anything. Yes.
And we need to recognise that. And then I think
the second thing that we need to know, we need
to understand the culture, but we also need to understand
the word of God. You know, and it's so important
because the Bible says very, very little about atheism and
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it says a massive amount about about idolatry and false religion.
So I am always going to I mean, I talk
to Muslims a lot. They're very easy to talk to
about the gospel. Um, in fact, I remember one Muslim
neighbor said, putting his arm around me one time and saying, David, brother,
I really like you because you're a fundamentalist like me.
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I said, oh, please don't tell the police that, you know.
But we both believe in absolute truth, you know, and
I'm going to argue for that. I'm going to say, listen, friend,
you have no concept of forgiveness in Islam. You cannot
be forgiven. You do not know what forgiveness is. You
only have a concept of submission. You know, you have
a great misunderstanding of Christianity. Um, and I think there
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are some amazing things happening. I think someone like Ayaan
Hirsi Ali, who is just, you know, Janet, I'm sorry,
but she's overtaking you as my I was going to
say my heroine, but that's maybe doesn't sound a good expression,
but she really has because she's remarkable. I mean, a Somalian, uh,
Muslim fundamentalist who effectively became an atheist, Richard Dawkins best
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mate and then has converted to Christianity. And her warnings
about the threat of Islam are brilliant, you know, and
and it's not. Again, I really want to stress this.
You don't hate your Muslim neighbor. You love your Muslim neighbor.
You know, you care for your Muslim neighbor. And there
are things within Islam that you can that you can appreciate.
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But because you love your Muslim neighbor, you want them
to know Christ. And also because you love your own country.
You don't want it to be an Islamic one. Well said.
S1 (32:17):
I'm stunned at the number of Sharia courts that are
in London. I had no idea. And I have to
tell you that that would be an absolute nightmare. In
terms of American jurisprudence. Sharia law allows for honor killings.
So a father is allowed to kill his teenage daughter
if she's consorting with a non-Muslim. I mean, at some
point it's going to hit up against British law, where
some things in Sharia law, even if there's this and
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it is you're telling me now definitively there is already
a two tiered legal system in London that is a
nightmare for governance and and for people to be able
to have self-rule. It absolutely. You're you're creating pockets that
are not the U.K., you're creating pockets that are an
Islamic dominated neighborhood, city, town, whatever word you want to
use that is going to clash with what is a
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British law. It's certainly the same case here in the
United States. And I wonder why there's a pass, for example,
and you talk about religious tolerance. I when I watch
that particular member of Congress talk about their Parliament, rather
talk about that, I thought, isn't that interesting? And yet
I saw a young black man preaching on a street corner,
the gospel, and he was arrested. But they don't arrest
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the people who stop on London Bridge and decide it's
that time of day. And so we're going to do
one of our five times of prayer and block traffic
on the bridge. Please don't touch them at all, but
they go after a man preaching the gospel. So there
is absolutely an inherent bias in the adjudication of what
the UK is doing right now under the guise of
religious tolerance. They tolerate some. They don't tolerate others.
S12 (33:45):
Yeah. And it's again, you know, you may think this
doesn't this won't happen in the US, but I've been
looking at, um, you know, you know, my interests and I,
I've been looking at Dearborn, you know, uh, in Michigan,
which is the largest Muslim population in the United States,
the largest mosque in North America. And it's the first
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Arab majority city in the US. And although there are
around 20% of of the Arabs who are Lebanese and,
you know, largely Christian, um, 80% are Muslim. And when
you watch some of the decisions that are being made
in community things, it is you can see the influence
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of Islam. People don't seem to understand that. You don't
need to have 51% of a community be a particular religion,
particularly Islam, I reckon. To be honest, I reckon if
if most cities in the United States had 10 to 20%
solid Christians, it would transform those cities. Imagine San Francisco
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like that, for example. Um, but but I reckon the
number on Islam is around the same. It's around 10%.
And once you've got 10% of a city being Islamic
with its own alternate laws, alternate communities and so on,
that has a phenomenal impact on on any society.
S1 (35:14):
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And so this goes full circle to
the letter, because what you did is you called out
the people who were, um, disgusted. My word with the
gathering of these people for the march, calling it a
racist and Islamic phobic. And you call them out for
their hypocrisy. Because where were you when the anti-Jewish marches
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were taking place then? Those, quote, evangelicals were silent. And so, um,
have you gotten any response? I love your boldness, by
the way. I think it's exemplary for the rest of
us in putting this out in Christian today. Tell me
the kind of feedback that you've gotten.
S12 (35:49):
Oh, I mean, it's, uh, listen, I've always believed in
cancel culture because long before it became trendy, you know,
I was being canceled all the time, so I was,
you know, you know, I if you want to keep
ahead of the curve, John, it just stick with me,
you know?
S1 (36:03):
Got it.
S12 (36:04):
Um, so. So what happens is this. It's not sometimes
you get some pushback, you know, directly. And that's that's
actually the kind I prefer most. But it's the it's
the behind the scenes kind of pushback. It's the that
guy's not safe or you're not being fair or, or then, uh,
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to be honest, evangelical Christians can far too easily play
the same card as the secular society does. Oh, that
was quite hurtful. I was quite hurt by what you said. And,
you know, I just want to go. Yeah. I mean,
the head of the Evangelical Alliance in the UK congratulated
the new Archbishop of Canterbury. Now the new Archbishop of
Canterbury is in no way an evangelical doesn't believe the
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Bible and everything. What you congratulate him for? I'm just
trying to be nice. Well, stop being nice. Be nice
to me instead. I'm on the same side, you know?
Speak the truth. Stop. Stop being nice. You won't find
the word nice in the Bible.
S1 (36:58):
That's exactly right. Well, you took me where I wanted
to go because I do want to talk about the
new Archbishop of Canterbury. And, um, it is why you
are part of the Free Church of Scotland. It is
why you're doing the work you're doing in Australia. But, um,
it just makes you scratch your head. What is happening
to the Church of England? And who is this new archbishop?
You're going to find out when we return. In the meantime,
let me again point you to the work that David does.
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If you'll go to the weekly.com, you're going to see
a myriad of topics that he talks about, always from
a biblical perspective, culturally in tune, biblically spot on. Great stuff.
That's why I asked David back every month. We'll return
after this. David Robertson is with us, Scottish Presbyterian minister,
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who is currently the Minister of Scots. Kirk, Newcastle, New
South Wales in Australia, in addition to a myriad of
other things that he does oh so well. So, um,
I talked to you before about David's piece in Christian today.
They've certainly commented on this issue as well, as well as, uh,
Premier Christianity, who had a piece in recently by one doctor,
Calum Miller. Doctor Miller, by the way, uh, is a
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graduate from the University of Oxford Medical School. He currently
works as a doctor in the UK, and he's published
multiple academic papers in medicine, law and philosophy and ethics.
And he also has a master's degree with distinction in
biblical studies. But he wrote a piece that bore this headline, David,
it's called A Pro-Choice Archbishop of Canterbury Lacks the moral
authority to lead. Tell us who this dame is, who
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has now been selected as the incoming Archbishop of Canterbury.
S12 (38:33):
Well, let me say, first of all, Calum Miller is
a superstar. And I know Calum and if you read
anything by him, he really has done some marvellous work,
particularly on the abortion issue. Um, and he had a
paper on abortion in Malawi which debunked completely because, as
you know, the American government before Trump, uh, was sending
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money aid to Africa, including Malawi, on basically to promote abortion,
which was awful, you know. Um, anyway, so so Calum
did really well in exposing all that. So he's great now.
Not so great is the new archbishop. Now, in one sense,
I don't care, uh, archbishops and bishops, because I belong to, uh,
theological tradition and a country that went to war to
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prevent bishops happening to us. So I'm a Covenanter, so,
you know, you know, I probably wouldn't go to war
for that now. But, you know, I'm not a big
fan of bishops, you know? So, um, so apologies to
any bishops listening or archbishops or whatever. Um, so this, uh,
woman has been chosen. Malawi. Malawi. Uh, the big fuss
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is being made because she's the first female archbishop. Uh,
I think once you've got, you know, female priests and bishops,
it's inevitable that that was going to happen. That, for me,
is not the big issue. And nor is the fact
that she's not that great a speaker and she's seen
basically as a managerialist. But it is, as Callum points out,
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her pro-abortion stance. Also, she led the Living in Love
and Faith project, where she squared this circle of saying
that holding to the traditional view of marriage between being
a man and a woman. But we're still going to
introduce church blessings for same sex couples. Um, you know,
it's it's both cowardice and and and ignorance.
S1 (40:28):
So I it tells us immediately. Does it excuse me
for interrupting, but doesn't it tell us immediately where she
stands on the the authority, the primacy, the application of Scripture?
I mean, she's abandoned it right out of the gate.
S12 (40:40):
Yeah. Oh, yeah. But and here's the other thing that's
really quite sad. None of it matters because the Church
of England has become just increasingly irrelevant. It's a property
manager with a declining portfolio. Um, you know, it's you know,
there are things that are really sad. There are good
evangelical churches within the Church of England still. But, you know,
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the Lord will build his church, and it's not our church.
And we might even talk about national churches or whatever,
but any church that abandons scripture not only deserves to die,
but it will die. It's what we see happening to
the mainstream denominations in in the US, or any church
that abandons biblical standards, biblical discipline and all the rest
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of it.
S1 (41:27):
So that's right.
S12 (41:28):
Yeah, I think that's that's a bit of a disaster, um,
in that sense. But it's also almost entirely irrelevant. What's
much more relevant is the church in Nigeria, which is
like 20 times the size of the Church of England,
has said, we're out of here. You know, you are
not our archbishop and the Sydney Anglicans who are very evangelical,
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basically saying the same thing. You're not archbishop, so the
world will treat her as the archbishop and as a
leader of a church. I think the vast majority of
Christians will just ignore it. Um, I think, you know,
who knows. I mean, I pray I've known, um, people
who are pastors, uh, who were pastors before they were converted.
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So of course I'll pray for her. And I don't
wish her ill, but, um, I don't think this really
has anything to do with the Church of Jesus Christ. Um,
it's interesting because, um, Uh, maybe I can mention this. I'm.
You know, you said I've got quantum of the of
the wee flea, and that's true. I'm just. As soon
as I'm done here, I'm going to record my last
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one because we're changing it into something called beauty for ashes.
And the first one of those will be launched next week.
And basically it's going to be on Christian radio. It'll
be a radio program here in the UK, in the
in Australia, sorry. And it'll still go out as the podcast.
It'll still be the same, you know, because I've got
all these American listeners in Texas and Iowa, you know,
I can't let them down. But, um, I just want some,
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you know, I just want some more people from New York.
Come on, get a grip, guys. And, you know, in California,
I want to go to California because then I can
play all kinds of Eagles music and stuff. But, I mean,
I'm doing this. And at the same time, somebody sent me,
somebody told me and said, I've been listening to you
since 2014. I'll not say the country and I'll not
say their name. But they said, I'm working with a
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tribal group whose language isn't even recorded. We started, um,
we teach from the Bible. We started writing down the language.
They some of them have become Christians, many have become Christians,
and they're writing their own worship music. And he sent
me a, um, a recording of this worship song. And
you know what? That worship song and what's going on
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in that remote tribal people is a far more significance
to the kingdom of God than the machinations of politics
within the Archbishop of Canterbury and all that kind of stuff.
That's what I'm interested in.
S1 (43:48):
Beautifully said, beautifully said. Tell me a little bit more
about beauty for ashes. So even if we can't listen
to the radio in Australia, we'll be able to still
go to your website and be able to listen there.
S12 (43:58):
Yep, it'll still be the podcast. It'll still be hosted
on the same things. Um, it'll be better than ever
because I'll be subject to discipline. Like that music in
the background that says you have to finish on time.
I won't be allowed to waffle on, you know, so
it'll be. It'll be better. Janet, I'm becoming more like you.
S1 (44:15):
Oh, well, I'll tell you what. I want to become
more like you. So I'm loving our conversations. And by
the way, congratulations on that. I'm thrilled that it's going
to have just that radio audience as well. We'll have
to change our bio because this will be coming up
the very last. The quantum of the we flee. But
content wise, David, it sounds like you're still going to
be covering the same sorts of things. Am I correct?
S12 (44:34):
Absolutely. Absolutely.
S1 (44:36):
So it'll be worth your time to go there. So again,
in the meantime, the address stays the same, right. The
we flee com and we'll be able to find it there. Excellent.
S12 (44:44):
Everything's the same in all. The news will be there.
S1 (44:46):
Wonderful. So once upon a time it was called the
quantum of the. We flee. That's coming to an end.
It's now going to be rebranded beauty for ashes, because
it isn't just going to be on his website and
go globally through the internet. It's also going to be
heard on radio, which is absolutely fabulous, and we will
update our bio. So, Lord willing, if he doesn't tarry
or call either one of us home, we'll talk about
that the next time and we'll find out how the
broadcast is going. David. Thank you. And we didn't even
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cover all the topics we wanted to cover. That's how
broad and wide and deep the issues are that David addresses.
Always taking it back to the Word of God, always
taking it back to the King himself. Blessings to you, David. Thanks, friends.
We'll see you next time on In the Market with
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The conference was over. The president won a pledge.
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Americans worshiping government over God.
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Extremely rare safety move by a major 17 years.
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The Palestinians and Israelis negotiated.
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Everything is not over.
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So many people think that somehow God stops loving us.
We equate whatever relationship we had with an earthly father
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with Janet Parshall. Well, in case you hadn't noticed, uh,
we don't have a deal with Israel. Hostages have not
been returned. In fact, if anything, Hamas has just raised
its demonic head even higher and demanding that all of
any evidence of involvement in Gaza be withdrawn by Israel
before they do anything. In other words, the terrorist demonic
organization is trying to call the shots again. And yet,
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as we speak, we have representatives in Egypt from the
US supposedly trying to move us toward a deal in
the Middle East. Will it happen? I don't know, but
here's some insight from Julie Stahl at CBN news.
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Tens of thousands of Israelis attended the Bereaved Families National
Memorial ceremony marking the second anniversary of the October 7th attack.
The ceremony opened with a moment of silence, followed by
speeches from relatives of hostages and bereaved families.
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I know you're in pain and I can't hug you.
I hear you whisper. Come for me, mom. And I
can't protect you again.
S7 (06:03):
In Egypt, American mediator Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner arrived
for talks between Hamas and Israel on President Trump's plan
to free the hostages and end the war. 48 hostages,
20 of whom are believed to be alive, are still
in Gaza. In honor of October 7th, Israeli Prime Minister
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Benjamin Netanyahu said in a statement. We are in a
time of fateful decisions. We will continue to act to
achieve all the aims of the war, return all the hostages,
destroy the Hamas regime and ensure that Gaza no longer
poses a threat to Israel. Together we shall stand and together,
with God's help, we shall be victorious. The Israeli team,
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led by Strategic Affairs Minister Ron Dermer, arrives today. According
to The Times of Israel, an Israeli official says there
was optimism but very cautious, and warns that Hamas can
add obstacles at any moment and leave in Washington. New
Jersey representative Josh Gottheimer introduced bipartisan legislation honoring American hostages.
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The October 7th Gold Medal Act to award the Congressional
Gold Medal, the highest civilian honor bestowed by the United
States Congress, to the American hostages and victims of October 7th,
including those Americans who survived in captivity in Gaza, in
recognition of their profound suffering and sacrifice.
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Also in Washington, freed hostages shared their testimonies at a
vigil marking the second anniversary.
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I am here, standing in front of you today as
the result of a life saving agreement. That agreement was
secured through leaders who made it a priority. President Trump
and the US administration.
S7 (07:52):
The Hostage and Missing Families Forum nominated Trump for the
Nobel Peace Prize. In a letter, the president and his
wife Melania thanked them and said, please know that we
remain steadfastly committed to seeing an end, both to the
conflict and the wave of anti-Semitism, both at home and abroad.
Julie Stahl, CBN news, Jerusalem.
S1 (08:15):
And in the meantime, closer to home, we've got all
of these free Palestine rallies that are taking place. Here's
a report of what happened recently in Boston.
S11 (08:26):
A massive clash between pro-Palestine Ralliers and Boston police officers
on bikes. Police say several members within the group turned
on officers kicking cruisers, assaulting officers, blocking traffic and setting
off these devices, causing red smoke to shoot into the air.
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This is all part of the Flood Downtown for Palestine Rally,
which was posted up throughout the city and on several
student Justice for Palestine groups calling for support, claiming the U.S.
War Machine arms funds and protects every atrocity. Our fight
is here against the system that makes genocide, displacement and
starvation possible in these states of destruction.
S1 (09:09):
In the meantime, at the white House today, the president
held a roundtable discussion on Antifa, where journalists and these
are mostly independent journalists, talked about their interaction with antifa,
the death threats, the brandishing of weapons, the the atrocities
that these people have to deal with on a regular basis.
And out of that, the president was given several suggestions
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of how to deal with this organization. The most important,
and this is the headline of the day, is that
the president is calling now Antifa a terrorist organization. They
work their way in and through protest, exactly like the
one held in Boston. And what an embarrassment for the
world to see in the United States, these pro-Palestinian rallies
cheering two years after the horrific massacre that took place
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in Israel. We got a lot to talk about. Got
your seatbelts on. Okay. There's going to be no TSA,
no turbulence. And the fastest flight you've ever taken. David
Robertson from Down Under will join us when we return
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with Janet Parshall. He's a multi-talented man who loves the
Lord and says yes and follows him wherever he leads.
So for the longest period of time, he was in
his native Scotland, where he was the minister of a
church there, in Dundee in particular. And it's tough to
leave the city of Dundee in the Highlands of Scotland.
But the Lord said now it's time to go to Australia.
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So he packed up and he went down there, where
he is currently a Scottish Presbyterian minister, the Minister of Scots,
Kirk Newcastle in New South Wales in Australia. But it's
not just his pastoral duties, by the way. He has
several other things that he loves to do. He broadcasts,
he writes, he's a blogger, he's a columnist. And of
course he hosts The Quantum of the weekly podcast. And
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he also writes books and he writes some pretty important letters.
And that's where I want to start, because he wrote
an article that I thought was tremendously important. We talked
about the march in the UK on this program, where
there were upwards of a million people who took to
the streets in the UK very, very upset because they're
seeing what illegal immigration does to the country. Now, Keir
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Starmer's unfortunately awful suggestion to deal with the issue is
to make sure that everybody now has digital ID in fact,
has made the declaration that without digital ID you can't
have a job in the UK. Well, last time I checked,
there were 2.7 million people have already signed a petition
and that number rolls every single day who have said,
no way in the world will I do that. There
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have even been calls for the king to reconvene Parliament
and for him to set a new government, a vote
of confidence against Keir Starmer. ET cetera. ET cetera, et cetera.
The list goes on. In fact, it's interesting if you're
paying attention and you should be paying attention of the
parallels we're seeing over the pond to some of the
things we're dealing here in the United States, illegal immigration
being one of those issues. Well, there was a letter
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that was put out, and David Robertson responded to that letter.
He'll give you the background on this in just a moment.
In Christian today, not to be confused with Christianity Today,
Christian Today is an excellent publication that comes out of
the UK. But the headline reads thus Disuniting The Kingdom
An Open Letter to evangelical signatories of the anti Unite
the Kingdom letter. David, the warmest of welcomes. I have
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been so looking forward to you. I'm telling you, there's
so much happening in the UK right now. I can
hardly keep up with the facts, but I did want
to see what happened with that march. And I'm thankful
for global media so that I could listen to the
speakers and see how many people showed up, and to
watch the deportment and the way in which people handled themselves.
It was also disconcerting. We see the same kind of
thing here in the United States, where people would put
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up the George the Saint George flag, which is a
white field and a Red cross or the Union Jack.
And then people would follow behind and they would rip
them down. And the message clearly was, we want to
keep British culture. We want to still have a United Kingdom.
And yet you look around what's happening in the UK
and in various cities. There are five calls from the
mosque every single day. There are people praying in the
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middle of the streets of London. They're arresting people preaching
the gospel on the streets, but allow the minarets to
declare the call for prayer. So something very unsettling is happening.
And yet there were a group of people who wanted
to send out a letter about this march, and they
weren't particularly happy about this March. Talk to me about this.
S12 (13:57):
Yeah. Wow. There's so much in there. Um, you forgot
to mention in your introduction about the things that I
do is that I have a monthly, a monthly chat
with you, you know, and that's probably that's that's the
highlight of my month, you know. Thank you.
S1 (14:11):
Sir.
S12 (14:12):
I think I think I think bizarrely, I mean, I
need to warn anyone who thinks of getting involved in
your program that I think about ten years ago you
said we'll do a one off. And that was. And
every month since then, the one off has continued. So,
you know.
S1 (14:28):
Tells you what a marvellous guest you are, my friend.
It's so much to have to say that I want
to hear.
S12 (14:34):
Yeah, maybe. And then the other thing that made me
laugh was, uh, you said we're going with no turbulence.
I don't do that. We have lots of turbulence. Turbulence.
S1 (14:42):
I stand corrected, correct.
S12 (14:43):
Right. And and and in this one there is turbulence.
So here's the problem. It's a little bit complicated in
that there were about 150,000, maybe a quarter of a
million plus people who went on a march in London
around this idea of unite the kingdom. Now, it was
a bit controversial because it was associated with, you know,
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some people who would be considered and maybe would be
genuinely far right, or at least a bit controversial. But
there were lots of ordinary people involved. I know, uh,
people who were involved in it and who absolutely loved it,
and they were expressing a sentiment which is really important,
and it really is about the disuniting of the United Kingdom,
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not as many people suspected in terms of England, Scotland,
Ireland and Wales, but rather because of social divisions and
particularly religious. And the rise of Islam is a major,
major issue. Now, what bothered me about the the evangelicals
who signed this letter is that it's strange. They never
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signed a united letter about the numerous anti-Israel marches in
the UK, out of which has arisen, by the way,
this horrific, uh, murder of two Jews on Yom Kippur
in Manchester at the synagogue. Um, not a word about that. Plus,
they signed up with people who are not evangelical and who,
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in effect, deny the gospel. And what bothered me about
the letter was they said that rally contained racist, anti-Muslim
and far right elements. Well, every March I've ever been on,
and believe it or not, Janice, I used to go
on marches contain people who had more extreme views. Um,
but does that mean to say you never go on
that March, uh, miss their letter advising Christians not to
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go on pro-Palestinian marches? And then when they used the
term far right, far right is just a meaningless term.
There are far right people there. Nazis, you know, there
are people who are white supremacists or whatever, but the
vast majority the term far right has has been so
demeaned that, you know, you're a far right lunatic, and
I'm a far right. I'm way far right lunatic. You know,
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you're mild compared with me. Yet my nickname at university
was Red bull, you know? So, I mean, it's just
it it doesn't make any sense. And then the one
that really got me was they complained about the march
being anti-Muslim. And I thought, well, as evangelicals, are we
not at least anti-Islamic theology because in the United Kingdom.
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I mean, this is hard to believe, but the government
are about to introduce an Islamophobia law that if you
criticize Islam, it in effect means that if you criticize Islam,
you could be jailed for it. I mean, it's extraordinary
what's happening.
S1 (17:33):
Wow. Let me pick up on that point. Because again,
if it happens over there, David, it's just a hop,
skip and a jump before it potentially can happen here.
Or it takes up residency in Canada and then it
spills out over into our northern borders. But I want
you to think about what David just said. Because, remember,
our directive is to go and tell. It's why we
talk so often on this program about this precious liberty
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of free speech. It isn't a matter of saying, isn't
it wonderful? The government gave us this, right? No, no, no, no.
This is an inalienable right to be able to speak
out loud your sincerely held religious beliefs. And if the
government here were to pass a law that says you
can't speak aught against another religion, how would that bode
for the message that we have known as the offense
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of the cross back after this? We're visiting with David Robertson,
Scottish Presbyterian minister, currently the minister of Scots Kirk, in Newcastle,
New South Wales in Australia. Wonderful thinker, loves the word,
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knows how to apply the whole truth of the whole
gospel to the whole world. So I want to go
back to this march that took place and there was
some ridicule that it was, quote, anti-Muslim. And David, you
made a very important point, which is, wait, you can't
plant this is, you know, double minded man. This is
first Kings 18. You can't limp between two opinions. Either
a law is God or God is God, but they
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both cannot be God. And the tenets of of Islam
cannot coexist with the tenets of Christianity. They stand in
stark opposition one to another. Now, that doesn't mean our
deportment toward people who follow Islam. He's not willing that
any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
So we always are ambassadors for Christ in our interaction.
But there is a public policy aspect to this because
Islam is not just a religion, it is a geopolitical system.
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So let me go back to what you said. It's
a bombshell you dropped just before the break, which is
right now, Parliament is literally considering whether or not they're
going to pass legislation that prohibits any negative comments about Islam.
If a pastor were to set up in his pulpit
and he were to say, this is what the Bible says,
this is what Islam says, this is what Jesus said.
This is what Muhammad said. It wouldn't take much at
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all for someone to trigger and say, well, that's Islamophobic.
Therefore you're guilty. We're already watching police come and arrest
people at 2:00 in the morning for unhappy posts. Going
after pastors would be no problem whatsoever. So talk to
me about this.
S12 (19:57):
Yeah. So I think what you need to realize is
people use the word hate, you know? So if it's
perceived to be hateful to somebody, um, now we've seen
this in different ways. There was a Catholic priest in Spain,
has been found guilty of Islamophobic remarks, and he's going
to face up to three years in jail. I think
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his name is Custodio Ballester. Now, I've got here in
front of me. What he actually said was he said,
Islam does not allow for dialogue. You either believe or
you're an infidel who must be subdued one way or another.
He also suggested that Islam poses a threat to Europe.
Now the Association of Spanish Muslims against Islamophobia, it's just
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amazing that that actually exists. Yes. Uh, brought a case
against the priest, and he's been found guilty. And he
could go to jail for for three years for saying that. Now,
that's that's the kind of thing in terms of the UK.
So let me put it bluntly, I just did a,
I did a podcast on Islam. Um, I could go
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to jail for that podcast, you know, because I, I
say that Islam and we're very, very interesting conversation with
Tom Holland, the historian and the guys of a podcast
called trigonometry, where Holland says that Islam is incompatible with
Western liberal democracy. And he's quite right. And by the way,
we don't blame Muslims for that because the Muslims are
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just following their faith. I blame I'm sorry to use
these words, but I blame the idiots who don't realize
what Islam is and particularly, um, dare I say it,
the rather unintelligent people on the campuses of Yale and
Harvard and so on who are going around shouting things like,
you know, queers for Gaza or whatever, you have no idea.
They have no idea what Islam is and but ironically,
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my saying what Islam is could end up with me, uh,
being charged in that respect now. I mean, it is
it is unbelievable. And let me just put another thing
on this as well. This is where Christianity is different.
We don't argue that Muslims shouldn't have the right to worship.
We don't believe in coercion, in worship. And if Muslims
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wish to build a mosque and they wish to, you know,
all that is fine, providing it remains within the law.
It's not a mosque used by jihadis or whatever, but
that also means that we have the freedom and the
right to proclaim Christ, to critique Islam, and so on.
And if Muslims do not accept that we have that right,
then they have no place in our society, because the
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point of our society is that it has rules, and
the rules are above all in the United States. You
cannot lose this, you know, freedom of speech, freedom of religion.
I reckon in most areas where Islam gets to around 10%
and you've got some cities in the United States where
it's way beyond that. Now you see that, you see
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examples of that coming across, and you will find that
they are fundamentally intolerant. First of all, they say you've
got to tolerate us. And we say, well, of course
we do, because that's our position as Christians. Then they
get into position of power and they say, you're not
allowed to offend us, which is the stage we're at
just now. And then when they get more power, they
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will say that the practice of your religion offends us,
you know, and and they will ban it. So I
think and I used to think an Islamic takeover of
the West was highly unlikely. But I think a combination
of the progressives and Muslims and the Islamic, uh, I mean,
it's amazing that these two ally themselves as well. It
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shows you how insane and stupid society is because you
couldn't get more anything anti-Muslim in one sense than the other.
The progressive idea. And yet it's the progressives who are
pushing the Islamophobia thing. And I mean, it's it's madness.
S1 (23:52):
And I concur, that comes from and I say this judiciously,
but I think I say it accurately. It comes from
a place of ignorance. You can't say queers for Gaza
without understanding that they behead homosexuals. So it's just it
tells me you haven't done your homework. But to that point,
I love to watch what's going on in Parliament. We
have the same thing here, where cameras often dead roll
just within the chambers of Congress, and you can watch
for yourself to see what's happening. And I very frequently
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do that with Parliament as well. And I literally sat
and watched an argument for the establishment of Sharia law.
And the argument was under the guise of, quote, religious tolerance,
this from the land of the Magna Carta. So when
we come back, talk to me about what in the
world would happen to British jurisprudence. I can tell you
what would happen with American jurisprudence if they instituted Sharia law.
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It has nothing to do with religious liberty. Are you
going to say now to the girls who would go
to an all girls private boarding school, you can't go now,
because under Sharia law, girls can't get education. And by
the way, this six year old can marry this man
of 37. Under Sharia law. And by the way, the
husband can beat the wife under Sharia law. So you
can throw every domestic violence law on the books in
the UK out the window. How in the world could
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someone elected to serve in Parliament even think you could
have a two tiered judicial system? I'll get your reaction
to that and more when we come back. In the meantime,
follow David on X and go to his website, The
Wee Flea. It's excellent. Great information back after this. As
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with Janet Parshall. We always enjoy our conversations with David Robertson.
He loves the Lord, he loves the Word of God,
and he loves people. And he knows how to apply
the whole truth of the whole gospel to the whole world.
And he does it not only as a minister of
a church in New South Wales, in Australia and Newcastle.
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It's called Scots Kirk, but he also does it as
a blogger, a broadcaster, a columnist and of course, the
host of his own podcast called The Quantum of the
Wee Flea. So I want to go right back to
what we were talking about before. And this, this. And
it started as a springboard with some, quote, evangelicals, along
with not evangelicals, putting out a letter saying that they
didn't appreciate the march, where basically, it's what we see
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here in the streets of the United States to saying
our culture is being diluted by illegal immigration, and we're
being forced not only to accept, but to acquiesce. And
somehow there's precedent. And you talked about that 20%, that 10%
factor that's out there. And we're seeing that in some
cities here in the United States. So I watch what's
happening because it's coming this way. And so it gives
me a sense of being one beat ahead of the music,
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as the conductor will tell us. And so I watch
in Parliament the introduction of Sharia law under the guise
of religious tolerance. Well, it is anything but. So talk
to me. And I put this to you just before
the break. David, you cannot have coexisting British jurisprudence and
Sharia law. The two are mutually exclusive. There is within
the tenets of Sharia law, the antithesis of some of
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the things that are already written into law in the UK.
So how in the world does someone think that you
would even adjudicate these two things? You draw a circle
around a part of Manchester where there's a high Islamic population,
and say it doesn't count for them, they get to
live by their own law.
S12 (27:29):
Yeah. So it's a little bit more complex than that
in that, uh, what I would say is, again, this
is again part of the ignorance. So what happened in
parliament was a government minister was asked about this and
she first of all, kind of denied that there was
Sharia law and then said, even if there is, this
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is religious tolerance because, you know, the Roman Catholics have
their church council, the Anglicans have their synod, and the
Presbyterians have their Kirk session or whatever. Well, she didn't
say Kirk session because she didn't know. But our presbytery now,
it is quite funny. I mean, I have been called
the Tartan Taliban. You know, the idea is that, you know,
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that the the churches that we run, people's lives, that
we dominated, you know, and you couldn't get a job
unless you were part of the church. You couldn't do this.
And I'm going, na na, sorry. This ain't you know,
this isn't Savannah or Jackson, Mississippi, you know, um, where
you have to be a Baptist to get, you know.
But that's not that's not how it operates. We know that.
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But that's the image that people have, and they have
this image of of, you know, black suited Presbyterian elders
dominating and so on. And it's complete nonsense because we
have church courts to deal with church matters. Now, the
Muslims would say, you say, they would say, well, we're
dealing with. Um, well, they wouldn't say, uh, mosque matters.
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They would say Islamic matters. But the trouble is, for Islam,
everything is Islam. Everything has to submit. So the concern
with Sharia law is there are already 80 Sharia courts
in the United Kingdom. I think about half of them
in and around London. They do not apply to people
who are not Muslims. That's the first thing to say.
But it does mean that an alternative jurisdiction is being
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held within the country, and it does allow for the
oppression of women. For example, the, uh, Manchester, the man
who stabbed.
S1 (29:32):
Um.
S12 (29:32):
Uh, those two Jews, he has three wives. You know,
now that's illegal in British law, but under Sharia law,
it's not. In fact, you're allowed up to four in Islam.
And so that's the kind of issue where it's an
alternative system being set up. And what you will find
is you mentioned rightly that there will be areas of ghettoization,
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which is always terrible. And you need to look across
the channel to France to see the chaos that that
has brought. So again, I think we're, we're, we're I
think with Christians, we need to be careful about two things.
First of all, we need to not project onto the
world the way that we would like it to be.
So we might like to say, well, look, Islam is
basically peace loving, and that's how we would like it
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to be. Well, it's not, you know, and and Islam is,
is a theology of politics as much as anything. Yes.
And we need to recognise that. And then I think
the second thing that we need to know, we need
to understand the culture, but we also need to understand
the word of God. You know, and it's so important
because the Bible says very, very little about atheism and
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it says a massive amount about about idolatry and false religion.
So I am always going to I mean, I talk
to Muslims a lot. They're very easy to talk to
about the gospel. Um, in fact, I remember one Muslim
neighbor said, putting his arm around me one time and saying, David, brother,
I really like you because you're a fundamentalist like me.
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I said, oh, please don't tell the police that, you know.
But we both believe in absolute truth, you know, and
I'm going to argue for that. I'm going to say, listen, friend,
you have no concept of forgiveness in Islam. You cannot
be forgiven. You do not know what forgiveness is. You
only have a concept of submission. You know, you have
a great misunderstanding of Christianity. Um, and I think there
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are some amazing things happening. I think someone like Ayaan
Hirsi Ali, who is just, you know, Janet, I'm sorry,
but she's overtaking you as my I was going to
say my heroine, but that's maybe doesn't sound a good expression,
but she really has because she's remarkable. I mean, a Somalian, uh,
Muslim fundamentalist who effectively became an atheist, Richard Dawkins best
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mate and then has converted to Christianity. And her warnings
about the threat of Islam are brilliant, you know, and
and it's not. Again, I really want to stress this.
You don't hate your Muslim neighbor. You love your Muslim neighbor.
You know, you care for your Muslim neighbor. And there
are things within Islam that you can that you can appreciate.
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But because you love your Muslim neighbor, you want them
to know Christ. And also because you love your own country.
You don't want it to be an Islamic one. Well said.
S1 (32:17):
I'm stunned at the number of Sharia courts that are
in London. I had no idea. And I have to
tell you that that would be an absolute nightmare. In
terms of American jurisprudence. Sharia law allows for honor killings.
So a father is allowed to kill his teenage daughter
if she's consorting with a non-Muslim. I mean, at some
point it's going to hit up against British law, where
some things in Sharia law, even if there's this and
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it is you're telling me now definitively there is already
a two tiered legal system in London that is a
nightmare for governance and and for people to be able
to have self-rule. It absolutely. You're you're creating pockets that
are not the U.K., you're creating pockets that are an
Islamic dominated neighborhood, city, town, whatever word you want to
use that is going to clash with what is a
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British law. It's certainly the same case here in the
United States. And I wonder why there's a pass, for example,
and you talk about religious tolerance. I when I watch
that particular member of Congress talk about their Parliament, rather
talk about that, I thought, isn't that interesting? And yet
I saw a young black man preaching on a street corner,
the gospel, and he was arrested. But they don't arrest
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the people who stop on London Bridge and decide it's
that time of day. And so we're going to do
one of our five times of prayer and block traffic
on the bridge. Please don't touch them at all, but
they go after a man preaching the gospel. So there
is absolutely an inherent bias in the adjudication of what
the UK is doing right now under the guise of
religious tolerance. They tolerate some. They don't tolerate others.
S12 (33:45):
Yeah. And it's again, you know, you may think this
doesn't this won't happen in the US, but I've been
looking at, um, you know, you know, my interests and I,
I've been looking at Dearborn, you know, uh, in Michigan,
which is the largest Muslim population in the United States,
the largest mosque in North America. And it's the first
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Arab majority city in the US. And although there are
around 20% of of the Arabs who are Lebanese and,
you know, largely Christian, um, 80% are Muslim. And when
you watch some of the decisions that are being made
in community things, it is you can see the influence
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of Islam. People don't seem to understand that. You don't
need to have 51% of a community be a particular religion,
particularly Islam, I reckon. To be honest, I reckon if
if most cities in the United States had 10 to 20%
solid Christians, it would transform those cities. Imagine San Francisco
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like that, for example. Um, but but I reckon the
number on Islam is around the same. It's around 10%.
And once you've got 10% of a city being Islamic
with its own alternate laws, alternate communities and so on,
that has a phenomenal impact on on any society.
S1 (35:14):
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And so this goes full circle to
the letter, because what you did is you called out
the people who were, um, disgusted. My word with the
gathering of these people for the march, calling it a
racist and Islamic phobic. And you call them out for
their hypocrisy. Because where were you when the anti-Jewish marches
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were taking place then? Those, quote, evangelicals were silent. And so, um,
have you gotten any response? I love your boldness, by
the way. I think it's exemplary for the rest of
us in putting this out in Christian today. Tell me
the kind of feedback that you've gotten.
S12 (35:49):
Oh, I mean, it's, uh, listen, I've always believed in
cancel culture because long before it became trendy, you know,
I was being canceled all the time, so I was,
you know, you know, I if you want to keep
ahead of the curve, John, it just stick with me,
you know?
S1 (36:03):
Got it.
S12 (36:04):
Um, so. So what happens is this. It's not sometimes
you get some pushback, you know, directly. And that's that's
actually the kind I prefer most. But it's the it's
the behind the scenes kind of pushback. It's the that
guy's not safe or you're not being fair or, or then, uh,
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to be honest, evangelical Christians can far too easily play
the same card as the secular society does. Oh, that
was quite hurtful. I was quite hurt by what you said. And,
you know, I just want to go. Yeah. I mean,
the head of the Evangelical Alliance in the UK congratulated
the new Archbishop of Canterbury. Now the new Archbishop of
Canterbury is in no way an evangelical doesn't believe the
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Bible and everything. What you congratulate him for? I'm just
trying to be nice. Well, stop being nice. Be nice
to me instead. I'm on the same side, you know?
Speak the truth. Stop. Stop being nice. You won't find
the word nice in the Bible.
S1 (36:58):
That's exactly right. Well, you took me where I wanted
to go because I do want to talk about the
new Archbishop of Canterbury. And, um, it is why you
are part of the Free Church of Scotland. It is
why you're doing the work you're doing in Australia. But, um,
it just makes you scratch your head. What is happening
to the Church of England? And who is this new archbishop?
You're going to find out when we return. In the meantime,
let me again point you to the work that David does.
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If you'll go to the weekly.com, you're going to see
a myriad of topics that he talks about, always from
a biblical perspective, culturally in tune, biblically spot on. Great stuff.
That's why I asked David back every month. We'll return
after this. David Robertson is with us, Scottish Presbyterian minister,
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who is currently the Minister of Scots. Kirk, Newcastle, New
South Wales in Australia, in addition to a myriad of
other things that he does oh so well. So, um,
I talked to you before about David's piece in Christian today.
They've certainly commented on this issue as well, as well as, uh,
Premier Christianity, who had a piece in recently by one doctor,
Calum Miller. Doctor Miller, by the way, uh, is a
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graduate from the University of Oxford Medical School. He currently
works as a doctor in the UK, and he's published
multiple academic papers in medicine, law and philosophy and ethics.
And he also has a master's degree with distinction in
biblical studies. But he wrote a piece that bore this headline, David,
it's called A Pro-Choice Archbishop of Canterbury Lacks the moral
authority to lead. Tell us who this dame is, who
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has now been selected as the incoming Archbishop of Canterbury.
S12 (38:33):
Well, let me say, first of all, Calum Miller is
a superstar. And I know Calum and if you read
anything by him, he really has done some marvellous work,
particularly on the abortion issue. Um, and he had a
paper on abortion in Malawi which debunked completely because, as
you know, the American government before Trump, uh, was sending
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money aid to Africa, including Malawi, on basically to promote abortion,
which was awful, you know. Um, anyway, so so Calum
did really well in exposing all that. So he's great now.
Not so great is the new archbishop. Now, in one sense,
I don't care, uh, archbishops and bishops, because I belong to, uh,
theological tradition and a country that went to war to
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prevent bishops happening to us. So I'm a Covenanter, so,
you know, you know, I probably wouldn't go to war
for that now. But, you know, I'm not a big
fan of bishops, you know? So, um, so apologies to
any bishops listening or archbishops or whatever. Um, so this, uh,
woman has been chosen. Malawi. Malawi. Uh, the big fuss
(39:43):
is being made because she's the first female archbishop. Uh,
I think once you've got, you know, female priests and bishops,
it's inevitable that that was going to happen. That, for me,
is not the big issue. And nor is the fact
that she's not that great a speaker and she's seen
basically as a managerialist. But it is, as Callum points out,
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her pro-abortion stance. Also, she led the Living in Love
and Faith project, where she squared this circle of saying
that holding to the traditional view of marriage between being
a man and a woman. But we're still going to
introduce church blessings for same sex couples. Um, you know,
it's it's both cowardice and and and ignorance.
S1 (40:28):
So I it tells us immediately. Does it excuse me
for interrupting, but doesn't it tell us immediately where she
stands on the the authority, the primacy, the application of Scripture?
I mean, she's abandoned it right out of the gate.
S12 (40:40):
Yeah. Oh, yeah. But and here's the other thing that's
really quite sad. None of it matters because the Church
of England has become just increasingly irrelevant. It's a property
manager with a declining portfolio. Um, you know, it's you know,
there are things that are really sad. There are good
evangelical churches within the Church of England still. But, you know,
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the Lord will build his church, and it's not our church.
And we might even talk about national churches or whatever,
but any church that abandons scripture not only deserves to die,
but it will die. It's what we see happening to
the mainstream denominations in in the US, or any church
that abandons biblical standards, biblical discipline and all the rest
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of it.
S1 (41:27):
So that's right.
S12 (41:28):
Yeah, I think that's that's a bit of a disaster, um,
in that sense. But it's also almost entirely irrelevant. What's
much more relevant is the church in Nigeria, which is
like 20 times the size of the Church of England,
has said, we're out of here. You know, you are
not our archbishop and the Sydney Anglicans who are very evangelical,
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basically saying the same thing. You're not archbishop, so the
world will treat her as the archbishop and as a
leader of a church. I think the vast majority of
Christians will just ignore it. Um, I think, you know,
who knows. I mean, I pray I've known, um, people
who are pastors, uh, who were pastors before they were converted.
(42:10):
So of course I'll pray for her. And I don't
wish her ill, but, um, I don't think this really
has anything to do with the Church of Jesus Christ. Um,
it's interesting because, um, Uh, maybe I can mention this. I'm.
You know, you said I've got quantum of the of
the wee flea, and that's true. I'm just. As soon
as I'm done here, I'm going to record my last
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one because we're changing it into something called beauty for ashes.
And the first one of those will be launched next week.
And basically it's going to be on Christian radio. It'll
be a radio program here in the UK, in the
in Australia, sorry. And it'll still go out as the podcast.
It'll still be the same, you know, because I've got
all these American listeners in Texas and Iowa, you know,
I can't let them down. But, um, I just want some,
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you know, I just want some more people from New York.
Come on, get a grip, guys. And, you know, in California,
I want to go to California because then I can
play all kinds of Eagles music and stuff. But, I mean,
I'm doing this. And at the same time, somebody sent me,
somebody told me and said, I've been listening to you
since 2014. I'll not say the country and I'll not
say their name. But they said, I'm working with a
(43:17):
tribal group whose language isn't even recorded. We started, um,
we teach from the Bible. We started writing down the language.
They some of them have become Christians, many have become Christians,
and they're writing their own worship music. And he sent
me a, um, a recording of this worship song. And
you know what? That worship song and what's going on
(43:38):
in that remote tribal people is a far more significance
to the kingdom of God than the machinations of politics
within the Archbishop of Canterbury and all that kind of stuff.
That's what I'm interested in.
S1 (43:48):
Beautifully said, beautifully said. Tell me a little bit more
about beauty for ashes. So even if we can't listen
to the radio in Australia, we'll be able to still
go to your website and be able to listen there.
S12 (43:58):
Yep, it'll still be the podcast. It'll still be hosted
on the same things. Um, it'll be better than ever
because I'll be subject to discipline. Like that music in
the background that says you have to finish on time.
I won't be allowed to waffle on, you know, so
it'll be. It'll be better. Janet, I'm becoming more like you.
S1 (44:15):
Oh, well, I'll tell you what. I want to become
more like you. So I'm loving our conversations. And by
the way, congratulations on that. I'm thrilled that it's going
to have just that radio audience as well. We'll have
to change our bio because this will be coming up
the very last. The quantum of the we flee. But
content wise, David, it sounds like you're still going to
be covering the same sorts of things. Am I correct?
S12 (44:34):
Absolutely. Absolutely.
S1 (44:36):
So it'll be worth your time to go there. So again,
in the meantime, the address stays the same, right. The
we flee com and we'll be able to find it there. Excellent.
S12 (44:44):
Everything's the same in all. The news will be there.
S1 (44:46):
Wonderful. So once upon a time it was called the
quantum of the. We flee. That's coming to an end.
It's now going to be rebranded beauty for ashes, because
it isn't just going to be on his website and
go globally through the internet. It's also going to be
heard on radio, which is absolutely fabulous, and we will
update our bio. So, Lord willing, if he doesn't tarry
or call either one of us home, we'll talk about
that the next time and we'll find out how the
broadcast is going. David. Thank you. And we didn't even
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cover all the topics we wanted to cover. That's how
broad and wide and deep the issues are that David addresses.
Always taking it back to the Word of God, always
taking it back to the King himself. Blessings to you, David. Thanks, friends.
We'll see you next time on In the Market with
Janet Parshall.
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