July 23, 2025 • 44 mins
Get your passports ready as we wing our way down under to catch up with our favorite Scottish apologist. He will tackle issues like: Is there a spiritual revival happening in Australia? Why is a medical school teaching anti-biology? Is anti-Semitism on the rise in Australia? He will answer these questions and a whole lot more. Get ready to hear David Robertson show us how to think critically and biblically.
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The conference was over. The president won a pledge.
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Americans worshiping government over God.
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Extremely rare safety move by a major.
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17 years the Palestinians and Israelis negotiated.
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and I'm going to start as I do. Oh, so
often as I think we need to is we're going
to talk about the nation of Israel. There's a historic
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move in Israel about Israel going back to, well, the
lands that you have in that map in your Bible.
Have a listen.
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In a move that could have major implications for the
future of the region, Israel's parliament Wednesday passed a symbolic
resolution calling for the full application of sovereignty over Judea,
Samaria and the Jordan Valley. While the vote has no
immediate legal effect, it signals growing momentum within the ruling
coalition to formalise control over the biblical heartland.
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The Knesset approved a historic declaration to apply full Israeli
sovereignty over our homeland, Judea and Samaria.
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More than 700,000 Jewish Israelis now live in those areas,
while nearly 3 million Palestinians remain under Israeli military law.
The motion follows last year's resolution opposing a Palestinian state
and could mark a turning point in Israeli policy. While
all eyes remain on Judea and Samaria, Gaza continues to
dominate international headlines. Israeli officials say they're doing everything possible
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to get aid to civilians, but accused Hamas of blocking
deliveries and the United Nations of refusing to cooperate.
S8 (05:40):
Let me start with the facts and not the fiction.
In Gaza today, there is no famine caused by Israel.
There is, however, a man made Aid shortage engineered by Hamas. Now,
too often the full story is not being told. This
suffering exists because Hamas has created it.
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He noted aid is delivered through two channels the Gaza
Humanitarian Foundation, which has delivered tens of millions of meals
to civilians, and UN coordinated shipments of raw materials delivered
to Gaza bakeries and communal kitchens. President Isaac Herzog visited
Gaza Wednesday to inspect military progress and the humanitarian situation.
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We are acting here according to international law, providing humanitarian
aid according to international law, and those trying to sabotage
the humanitarian efforts are Hamas and its people, who are
spinning this to prevent our forces from dismantling infrastructures that
could harm us and our citizens.
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Despite over 950 aid trucks cleared and ready for distribution
inside Gaza, the United Nations continues to refuse to work
with the IDF. Israeli officials say the UN is more
invested in bashing Israel than feeding hungry Gazans. Meanwhile, the
IDF has concluded an internal investigation into last week's strike
on Gaza's only Catholic church. They say the building was
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hit by a misfired artillery shell caused by a technical malfunction,
not a targeted attack. But that hasn't stopped recent accusations
that Israel is persecuting Christians.
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There is no crisis where there is a crisis. Is
that the Pro-hamas movement are trying to engineer a crisis.
This is purely an engineered crisis. We take our relationship
with the Christian community extremely seriously. Israel is the only
country where the number of Christians are increasing. It's the
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only country in hundreds of miles in any direction where
Christians are free to practice their faith freely, freely, without restrictions.
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Outside Gaza, regional tensions remain high. An Iranian Navy helicopter
confronted the USS Fitzgerald after it neared Iranian waters in
the Gulf of Oman. The aircraft reportedly issued a warning
before the destroyer threatened to shoot it down. The first
confrontation since the 12 Day War ended mid-June, and ceasefire
talks between Israel and Hamas may be inching forward. President
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Trump's special envoy, Steve Witkoff, arrived in Doha with hopes
of securing a deal that could include a humanitarian corridor
and the release of Israeli hostages. An answer from Hamas
may be forthcoming as soon as today from Jerusalem. I'm
Chuck Holten for CBN news.
S1 (08:23):
So let me go back to that accusation again. You
know the UN is not worth the building they're sitting
in right now in New York City. So 900 plus
trucks closer to 950 of humanitarian aid. Israel gets those
trucks safely into the Gazan area and the UN refuses
to pick up the supplies. And then the UN turns
around and accuses Israel of starving the Gazans. So just
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so you have the facts there, and you can't know
the players without a program. And the program is the
UN is markedly anti-Israel. None of that comes as a surprise.
By the way, let me tell you also that just today,
the French President, Macron says that come September before the UN,
he is going to recognize a Palestinian state, which in
truth is sound and fury, signifying absolutely nothing because they
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can't establish a state vis a vis the UN. Upon
hearing this declaration, Israel's national security minister said, we recognize
France as a Palestinian state. Gotta love their sense of
humor by saying that. He's saying, you could say all
that you want to. You do not establish states by
any stretch of the imagination. It's just yet again, another
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hallmark of the anti-Semitism that's embodied in the United Nations.
We're going to take a break, come back, wing our
way down to the land right under that southern hemisphere,
the land of Australia. David Robertson is waiting for us.
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the market with Janet parshall.org. I don't get how it works,
but it's tomorrow in Australia, so I guess maybe this
is sloppy theology that Jesus doesn't return tomorrow because it's
tomorrow in Australia. And I'm talking to David Robertson. And
I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that he'd
be taken up harpazo the Greek word, uh, when Jesus
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comes to take his church and I'm talking to him,
so I wasn't I know he's not left behind, so
he's going to be there, which means it's tomorrow. I
don't know don't follow the theology on this. I could
be completely off. David, as you know, is a Scottish
Presbyterian minister, currently the minister of Scots Kirk in Newcastle,
New South Wales in Australia. Uh, he served for many, many,
many years in Dundee, Scotland, where he was a pastor there.
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But that didn't stop him from saying, yes, Lord, when
he said pack up and move to Australia. So he
went and he took all of the skills with him
he used regularly in Scotland. Now he's just doing it
in Australia. He is a broadcaster, a writer, a blogger,
a columnist. He hosts The Quantum of the weekly podcast,
which is fabulous. It's applied Christianity. He looks at the
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world and he applies the whole truth of the whole
gospel to the whole world around him. And then he
writes books, too. And I've put ask a period S
period k period 52 questions with answers from the Bible
as a resource, written by David on our website, started
out by answering questions from some young people. And really
I got into it and I thought, well, there's a
whole lot of grown ups who would have asked the
same question, so check it out if you're looking for
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a way to find out some of the answers to
some of the questions about Scripture. But be that as
it may, we're going to roll up our sleeves and
dive into some of the things that David has been
blogging and talking about lately. And we're going to start
I'm going to pick up because I just started talking
about Israel, and I want to talk about Jews in
Australia because, David, you wrote a wonderful piece to this end.
And I can tell you, I don't know how many
people here in the United States are aware that there
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is a fairly large Jewish community in Australia. In fact,
I had the privilege of interviewing the head of Jews
for Jesus in Australia not too long ago. Um, so
one wonders if there are Jews in Australia, does it
follow suit? Given what we're seeing in this day and age?
Are we seeing a market uptick, uptick in anti-Semitism in
Australia as well. So the warmest of welcomes tell me
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that you're okay. You're still here. You haven't been raptured yet.
And then talk to me about Jews in Australia.
S10 (12:30):
Well Janet, nice to talk to you again. All I
can say to your listeners is they should never follow
your theology of time. That's. Do you know, I would, uh, yeah. Yeah,
I think, um, the the concept of us. Look, as
I've said to you many times, I'm Australian and we're
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a day ahead. I'm Scottish, which means that we're a
year ahead in terms of, of thought and so.
S1 (13:00):
And deep cerebral activity. Yes, I get that.
S10 (13:03):
Yeah. And also, um, I can tell you in the
future there's illness. I'm on antibiotics at the moment. So
if any of my thoughts are incoherent, you can, you can,
you know, so this is my this is how much
I love you, that I'm still prepared to get out
my bed and come and do this. So it's it
is the morning in Australia. It is a lovely morning.
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And yeah, it's a really interesting subject. The Jews in Australia,
I think this is true. I need to check it.
But I believe that after the Second World War, Apart
from Israel, Australia was the number one nation that Jews
went to after the Holocaust. Um, there were large Jewish
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communities in Sydney and in Melbourne and an enormous influence,
as I wrote in the article, uh, the kind of the,
you know, the Jews just are remarkable, the influence they
have in a in a nation, not some kind of
secret cabal running the nation, but just by, um, developing and,
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you know, their own abilities. So, uh, we had considerable influence. Um,
general Sir John Monash was the was most famous Australian general. Uh,
the first, uh, native born governor general was also, uh, Jewish,
Sir Isaac Isaacs. You don't get much more Jewish name
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than that. However, what has happened is the anti-Semitism and
this is a picture of this is this. No, I
think Australia here is mirroring the West. Sadly, it's mirroring
the US, particularly, uh, in the kind of middle class
elites it's mirroring France. I heard your news item there.
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I did think that the Israeli response, you know, they
recognize France as a Palestinian state, uh, was, was quite funny. Um, but,
you know, it's mirroring the UK and it's sadly mirroring Scotland,
where I always used to boast. I think it's not true.
I think Finland was the same, that Scotland was the
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only country in Europe never to have had anti-Jewish laws. Um,
but in recent years, a friend of mine who's Jewish, uh,
has left Scotland. Uh, he's he's also gay. And I
wondered if he said he was leaving because of the homophobia,
as he would put it. And he said no, because
of the anti-Semitism. And the reason for this antisemitism Semitism
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is twofold. Firstly, whereas anti-Semitism used to be a right
wing thing, you know, far right, Hitler, fascist, all that
kind of stuff. Um, now it's very definitely left wing progressive, uh,
which is really quite astonishing. But that's the way it is.
And secondly, it is the importation of millions of Muslim
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immigrants into the West and the influence that they have.
And that is certainly true here in Australia. Probably the
most horrible example I've seen personally. Apart from the armed
guards outside Jewish schools and outside the Jewish Holocaust Museum,
which is just horrific, was when the, uh, it was
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decided to light up the Sydney Opera House with the
Israeli flag, and Jews were warned by the police to
stay out of Sydney city centre Center because there was
going to be a pro-Palestinian anti-Israel, which really means anti-Jewish demonstration.
And it was infamous that people were chanting on the
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steps of the Sydney Opera House, gas the Jews. Now,
that was disputed. Whether they were saying that or whether
it was just kill the Jews or get the Jews
or where are the Jews, it doesn't matter. It was
it was horrific to watch. And I have this photograph
of a group of Jews in what was a significantly
Jewish area where Bondi Beach is and so on, looking
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across the water and to the opera house with an
Israeli flag not being able to go. And that was horrific.
S3 (17:14):
Well.
S1 (17:14):
You write in your piece wonderfully. You end it by saying,
and we must also remember that it is the Jew,
Jesus Christ, who is the only one that can bring
that peace. He is the one who breaks down the
dividing wall of partition between Jew and Gentile and that
other Jew. Paul reminds us in his letter to the Ephesians.
It was only when the whole earth is filled with
his glory that there will be peace from the river
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to the sea. None of this should come as a surprise.
David Robertson is with us for the rest of the hour.
I'm thrilled. I know you are too. Back after this.
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We love spending time with David Robertson, Scottish minister, currently
Minister of Scots. Kirk, Newcastle, New South Wales in Australia,
where he joins me from Down Under. I don't get
how the tech works. I'm just so thankful it does. So, David,
I want to go to a piece that you wrote.
I thought it was fascinating about Glastonbury, and I'm not
sure how many people here in the West understand that.
We understand Woodstock. We understand a lot of the music
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festivals that take place here in the United States. Straw
man might be the closer thing to what we've got here.
But you talked about this brilliantly in a piece in
Christian today, not to be confused with Christianity Today, entitled
Glastonbury and the Banality of Evil. I'd love for you
to talk about this.
S10 (18:42):
Sure. Well, Glastonbury is a fascinating thing. It's a it's
a annual rock festival run by this farmer, a very
big farmer. Um. It is. How will I put it? Janet?
Let me put it this way. It's not for you,
but not not because it has good music. But it's
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like for yuppie progressives, you know, and it's actually a
bit of a joke here, you know, that basically, um,
there's a writer, Rod Liddle, who's very funny. He said,
basically all the horrible people in England get put in
one place. And he jokingly remarked about it. And solving
the country of all its problems, um, which was a
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rather Uh, nasty thing to say. Obviously didn't mean it,
but still. Nonetheless, people wanted to sue him for saying it.
But it's it's if you're if you're here's the thing.
If you're white, middle class, um, progressive and want to
proclaim your solidarity with the poor and enjoy some decent music,
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then that's where you go. And it's become highly politicized,
which is why I wrote about it. So I'll give
you a couple of examples. Um, one is they always
do this. We welcome immigrants and no borders, no walls.
And the supreme irony of that is, uh, Glastonbury costs
a lot of money to get into. In order to
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protect it from the plebs. They build a wall, a
literal wall, all the way around it. And there they
are inside, chanting, no more walls. Walls separate. I mean,
it's really quite funny. But the other thing that wasn't
so funny is, um, they had, uh, a couple of
acts on, uh, this This time I'm one guy in
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particular shouting, I don't know if you've heard this one,
he said, but death, death to the IDF. So here
we had a bunch of middle class English people chanting
for death, uh, as though we were in Iran. You know,
it was really quite astounding, you know. And so I
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wrote about that because I just thought, I'm not sure
I'd want to go to any festival where we were chanting,
where we were chanting death to anybody. Uh, but the
fact that they do this and they somehow think it's
a virtue is really quite horrible. And that's why I
cited philosopher, um, Hannah Arendt in her book on Eichmann,
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where she spoke of the banality of evil. Uh, to me,
this was evil, and it was banal, actually. Now, there's
an irony as well. There's a band called Oasis, which
I'm sure many of your listeners will have heard of
who've just kind of reformed the Gallagher brothers, very, very
popular in the US a bit as well, but certainly
in the UK and elsewhere. Um, they sold out, I
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can't remember. I think it was a million tickets in
less than 90 minutes. Um, you go to their concerts,
they're absolutely packed out tens of thousands of people. Not
a word of politics. No Palestinian flags flying, no political chants.
And I think we're seeing two different cultures in the UK.
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One is the progressive culture, and the other is what
I would just call the ordinary working man's culture. Uh,
and I think you see that cultural dynamic in the
US as well, and increasingly here in Australia too.
S1 (22:12):
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. You end by asking the question, what
is the solution? How do you answer that?
S10 (22:20):
Well, I think if I remember rightly, I'd said something
like Glastonbury builds walls and fuels hatred, and that the
only way that we beat that is through the proclamation
of the good news of Christ. I think it's so sad.
I'm watching in the Western world the hatred of mobs,
the irrationality of the progressives, the confusion sometimes of the
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right wing as well, and the weakness of the politicians.
And I think I put in the article about the
perversity of the human heart as well. And there's only
one who came to deal with the human heart, and
that's Christ. And I cited Ephesians 214. He himself is
our peace, who has made the two groups one and
has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility. And
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I think, you know, the Oasis concert goers and the
Glastonbury concert goers and the pro-immigrant people and the anti-immigrant people.
And it's not just as simple as that, you know. Um,
I think the only solution for every single one of
us is Christ. And it's as the West has forgotten
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that that we've descended into this chaos and this this divisiveness,
which is very, very, very prevalent. You know, and um,
I think, uh, yeah, the in the article I said
Britain is in a very dark place without a major
music festival. Thousands chant for the death of Israeli Jews.
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And this is broadcast across the world by the BBC.
And then on social media, I think it's indicative of
where we're at.
S1 (23:56):
Yeah. I think that's an astute observation on your part.
And I think your observation of the answer and the
answer is Jesus is right on and so necessary. The
gospel changes everything. And I love your recitation of the
verse in Ephesians about who breaks down those barriers, those walls.
Let me take a break and we're going to continue
with David Robertson. I've got a link, by the way,
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He observes so much of what's going on in the world.
Keen insight, sound theology, clever takes. He also was on X.
You can follow him on there as well. And also
he's written a couple of books. One of them ask
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This is in the market with Janet Parshall. David Robertson
is visiting with us. It is tomorrow there. He joins
us from Australia and he wears many hats, all of
them beautifully, by the way. He's a broadcaster, a writer,
a blogger, a columnist. He hosts the quantum of the weekly,
as I often say. What else would a Scotsman call
his podcast? And oh, by the way, in addition to
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all of that, he is a Scottish Presbyterian minister who
is currently the Minister of Scots Kirk, Newcastle, New South
Wales in Australia. So, David, this wasn't on the list
of things we were going to talk about, but I
thought about you immediately when I read the story that
the UK, apparently by the next general election cycle, is
going to lower the voting age to 16. Now, they
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haven't done this since 1969, where they dropped the voting
age from 21 to 18. I have had for 16
year olds. It actually gives me chills to think that
you're going to do this. And if you're going to
say that they can vote at 16, can they buy liquor?
Can they buy cigarettes? Will they be drafted by the military? Uh,
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what are the things will they be allowed to do?
But why is it just this age of 16? You know,
the brain, the frontal lobe isn't even fully formed until
you're 25. Why are you letting 16 year olds vote?
S10 (26:35):
Yeah, it's a very good question. Um. Uh, in my
wilder moments, I think we should raise the voting age
to 50, but.
S1 (26:43):
Agreed.
S10 (26:44):
You know? You know, let the elders decide. Um, the
reason for doing it, it's, you know, there's actually a
biblical thing here. It's, you know, Isaiah, they shall be
run by children. Mhm. Um, the reason for doing it
is not because they perceive 16 year olds to have
this incredible ability. It's because the labor government reckoned that
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16 year olds are much more likely to vote for them.
S1 (27:10):
Exactly.
S10 (27:10):
So, you know, you get this constant thing where people say,
oh well, look, the older people who are dying off
are their more conservative, and younger people tend to be
more inverted commas, progressive left wing. To which my response
is yes, but usually younger people grow up, you know. And, um,
I think that that it this is look, it's it's
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an attempt at vote rigging, um, particularly since our education
systems have become indoctrination systems. So now I think this
will backfire on labour because I think the youth vote
will go to the Greens, who are much more left wing.
And also to reform who are the opposite direction. But
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they speak much more for, I would say, ordinary people.
And also it's more radical. Young people sometimes like to
be more radical. They're not necessarily going to vote the
way that their teachers tell them to. So it's it's again,
it's a sign for me of a collapse in in democracy.
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The idea of democracy is that, you know, people are educated,
that they think for themselves and that they get a say. Um,
the use of children as voting cannon fodder is, to
me quite reprehensible.
S1 (28:33):
I agree, and it's so interesting. That was my sense too,
that this was and we see this here in the
United States on a regular basis, that you take people
groups to try to manipulate the outcome of the election.
I was thinking also when you were talking, given the
fact that there has been this very marked, very substantial
Islamic immigration, and I use that only because that's the
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commonality where regardless of where they're coming from, there is
this massive immigration to the UK of Islam. And I
find it interesting, although very troubling, that apparently due deference
is often given to Islamic practices, speech and worldview, even
the keeper of the faith has decided he's the keeper
of the faiths and spoke recently at an Islamic center,
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which bothered me tremendously. I'm not quite sure his mother
would even be pleased with that, but it is the influence,
I guess. There's two questions there. One is the influence
of Islamic worldview going to have an impact on the election,
and if so, would that tip in favor of labor?
And hence there's some some tepid behavior in terms of
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immigration laws or not?
S10 (29:40):
Well, it's very interesting. I don't think the Islamic thing
has got anything to do with the 16 year olds.
Although let me add something here. My cultural experience would
be this, that one of the other disasters we've done
democratically is to allow postal votes for people who could
actually vote in person, because in the UK, what you
would do is you'd go to your village hall or
your church hall or whatever, you'd go into a private
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space and you would vote and nobody would know how
you voted. But under postal votes, you could have the
head of the house take all the postal ballots of
all his family. And in Islamic homes it's often extended families.
And he could vote for every single one and send
it off, you know, so the the sacredness of the
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ballot has disappeared. And I think that's disturbing as regards
the Islamic influence. Yes. And it's and and again, it's
much more than people realise. Uh, the Labour Party did
used to benefit a lot from the Islamic vote. But
at the last election there were four independents who were
basically Islamic, or at least pro-Palestinian, who were elected over
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and against Labour. Now, excuse me, Jeremy Corbyn and uh,
and Islamic MP are setting up a new left wing
Labour Party. Jeremy Corbyn used to be, um, the leader
of the Labour Party. And it would be very interesting
to see what influence they have. But I think the
role of Islam, my view about this, I think I've
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said this to you before, but you don't need to
get to 51% of a population to have an Islamic state.
You need about 10% because the Muslims and I give
them credit for this. They're very well organized. They're very political.
You cannot separate Islam from politics. And if you've got 10%
of a community that are really committed and dedicated, they
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are going to tip that whole community towards their direction.
And I think that's what is happening, and especially when
you have the stupidity of the progressives somehow. I mean,
is there any dafter group than queers for Palestine? You know,
that's just, you know. Yeah. Where that sign in Gaza
and see how long you live. You know, but nonetheless,
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people who are apparently paying fortunes to get degrees to
show how intelligent they are can carry those signs. And
it just doesn't make any sense. But I do think
that this is where this is going. And I think
someone like Christopher Hitchens There's a clip going around on
X at the moment from the late, great Christopher Hitchens,
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an atheist, but he was in a discussion with John Lennox,
a wonderful Christian, and he said this. There's going to
come a time when Islamophobia will be the law. You
won't be able to say anything against Islam. And he says,
you know who's going to do it? It's going to
be the vicars and the progressives and all this kind
of stuff. And he was very left wing at one level.
And he said, it's always the barbarians only get into
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the city when people open the gates from inside. And
I thought that was incredibly insightful. And I think that's
what's happening.
S1 (32:41):
Yeah. I would be remiss if I didn't ask your
take on King Charles and his really very clear sympathies
toward Islam. I understand that he's actually studied Arabic. I
can tell you that at Highgrove, among the myriad of
gardens that he's got, one of them is an Arabic garden. Um,
and so he gives an Arabic address over Christmas time
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and he just again, excuse me, spoke at one of
their societies and it's raised the concern of a lot
of people because he's been rather dogmatic, no pun intended,
in the use of that word, that he doesn't want
to be known as the keeper of the faith. He
is the titular head of the Church of England, different
than the setup we have here in the United States.
But he wants to be of the faiths. But the
faith in particular he seems to favor is Islam. Where
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is this coming from?
S10 (33:24):
It's coming from ignorance. Um, and it's coming from, uh,
real difficulty, I think, in different ways. Uh, he, he
there's an ignorance and there's a lack of awareness. Um,
I think for me, he has a fantasy view of
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the world, and he thinks that if he stands up
and says, look, we should all have windmills and save
the planet, that people will do this. He thinks if
we go back to indigenous religion, whatever that is, um,
we'll be fine. I would say to him, why don't
you go back to the indigenous religion of the English
people or of the British people, which is Christianity. He
thinks that, I mean, good for him for looking at
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Arabic and looking at Islam, but his view of Islam
as a religion of peace is an absurd one, historically,
for anyone who's read the Koran. I think, um, King
Charles is an extremely dangerous man. When he was appointed.
I said, he'll be the third King Charles. The first
one was terrible and caused the English Civil War. And,
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you know, Cromwell's my hero and he was executed. The
second one was was pretty awful and persecuted the Puritans
and drove us all off to the United States, where
we set up this wonderful country which you are now spoiling.
And then and and the third one is this kind
of progressive, you know, green. All religions are the same.
(34:52):
Let's go back to Mother Nature, uh, millionaire who doesn't
understand the history of his own people, doesn't understand the Bible. And,
you know, unless William takes over fairly quickly, could easily
be the last king of England.
S1 (35:09):
Wow. Wow. I'm glad I asked, because there's. Pray for
those in authority. I mean, I love the fact that
that verse doesn't limit it to presidents of the United States.
It's those in authority, whether you voted for them or not,
whether or not you appreciate them. And again, remember, there's
a precious promise that comes with that about the kind
of lives we get to lead if we, in obedience,
prays for those and pray for those in authority. I
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think there is a spiritual hunger there, but I think
he's looking in the wrong place for the answer to
the question that's in his heart. And like I say,
I wonder, especially when I remember reading a marvelous book
about the faith of Queen Elizabeth. I remember her talking
once about the fact that she was a queen, but
that she served a king. She was very unapologetic about that,
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had multiple meetings with Billy Graham, and really spoke as
though she knew Christ on a very personal level, as
opposed to sort of formalized level. And I wonder if
she would be pleased if she were seeing the direction
that Charles is going these days. Something to think about,
but far more importantly, something to pray about. You know
everybody needs Jesus, whether you're a prince or a pauper.
Every single one of us will someday stand before a king.
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And it's going to make no difference what station you
held in life. It's whether or not you have received
to yourself what Christ did for us on the cross,
recognizing our sins, confessing them before the Lord himself, and
receiving him into our lives. Christ, who is the one
mediator between God and man, and the only name under
heaven whereby we will be saved, every single one of us.
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Take a break back after this. We're visiting with David Robertson,
which we are fortunate to be able to do on
a regular basis. He is a Scottish Presbyterian minister, currently
the Minister of Scots. Kirk, Newcastle, New South Wales in Australia.
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You know, I've been following this with great interest and
I was delighted to see that you wrote about this recently, David,
which is there's been so much conversation about there being
a revival in the UK. In fact, I'm so thankful
for social media in one respect, and that is, I've
watched some absolutely amazing praise and worship services where Jesus
is declared as Saviour and Lord with no ambiguity coming
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from the UK. And it stirs my heart when you
think that this is the land of the Reformation and
how we got our Bible and all of the stories
that are tied back to our faith today, emanating from
the history created in the United Kingdom, to say nothing
of the martyrs that lost their life there as well,
particularly the Scottish martyrs who gave up their life for
Christ as well. But the question then is raised if
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we're seeing if this is legitimate in the UK, are
we likewise seeing a kind of revival taking place in
Australia as well? And you address that recently? Give me
your take on this.
S10 (37:53):
Yeah. So this is quite a, a common thing that's happening.
I think sometimes Christians are far too quick to claim revival.
And I think we're far too quick to claim the
end of the world. You know that. Everything's just all rubbish.
I think it's always been in between. Um, there are
times when there is more judgement on a particular country,
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and there are times when there is what I would
call a genuine revival. You know, I think of in
the US the likes of Whitefield and Jonathan Edwards, you know,
and there have been movements and so on. But the
trouble is that we just we exaggerate at times and
we shouldn't do that. My view is that what's happening
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just now in the West is a cultural movement. It's
not a revival that as people are seeing and people
like Jordan Peterson and other cultural commentators, Douglas Murray and
so on are witnessing what the collapse of Christianity in
terms of it being removed as the foundation of our
society means they want us to go back to it.
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And there's a very interesting phenomenon. I think this is
true of the US as well. There's a division now,
male and female. Now, when I grew up, the division
was perceived as being if you're a woman, you're much
more likely to be interested in Christianity. Well, the division,
male and female now is this females are much more
likely to be progressive and left wing, and males are
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much more likely to incline towards Christianity and to being
more conservative. That sounds so absurd for someone my age.
But I think that is what's happening. I mean, I'll
give you just a. There are lots of there's lots
of anecdotal stuff, but, uh, 3 or 4 Sundays ago
here we have a very small church. It's growing gradually,
and we had no young people. And last Sunday, uh,
(39:38):
about a month ago, sorry, there was about ten young people.
And nine of them were young men, you know, and
I think the one who wasn't was there because of
a young man. So, you know, it's, uh, this is
often what happens, by the way. So I think that, um,
there is something very, very interesting going on. And in
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the UK it was really interesting seeing like on I
think it was Bournemouth beach, I mean, a church I
know well they, they did 95 baptisms on the beach
and the BBC actually covered it and reported it, which
is really unusual. In Australia we are seeing some movements
in some ways, you know, particularly amongst immigrant populations, but
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also again, particularly amongst, uh, men. I don't I don't
think it's revival. I think just being open to going
to church or considering things doesn't make you a Christian.
You know, the old adage of, you know, the famous
illustration of going to church doesn't make you a Christian
any more than going to a garage makes you a car.
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But it's it's nonetheless it's a good sign. So I'm
I'm quite positive about that, although I don't think it's revival.
And I have to say this just personally in my
experience as a pastor. For me, it's always been true.
There's always been negatives and there's always been positives. And
just from this is just my own personal experience in
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some ways. Uh, I've always found it easier, uh, in
terms of speaking to men. Uh, most of the churches
I've been in have had more men than women, and
I don't know why that is. Um, I think, by
the way, another big problem that's occurred, and this is
a completely separate issue and, well, no, no, it's not
completely separate, but it'll take us a whole program, which
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we don't have. So I'll throw it in at the end. Um,
and that is, um, the feminization of the church was
a disaster for the church. Now, that's not to say
that men and women are not equal. That's not what
I'm saying. But I'm saying going against God's pattern for
the church. Surprise, surprise. If you don't go by the
makers instruction, it don't work.
S11 (41:43):
Mm.
S1 (41:44):
Yeah. How true that is. Uh, let's let's remember you
and I. Let's make a mental note to talk more
about that the next time that you come, because that
is a universal problem. And I so appreciate what you
said about going against God's plan. So I want to
dig deeper into that. Um, so we're seeing what you
talked about, it being sort of a cultural response. Every
single week I'm getting pictures and stories of massive numbers
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of baptisms that are taking place on various college campuses
across the country. Do we what what should our response
be to something like that? Should we just be still
and know that He is God and see what sort
of seeds get planted? But more importantly, what fruit is
borne out of something like that? Walk us through that.
How do we how do we react to those stories?
Because we're getting more of them.
S10 (42:29):
Well, I think the phrase that's in mind for me
is you shall know them by their fruits. Mhm. So,
you know, I've gone through periods in my ministry where
in the church or in the area where I was,
there was a significant renewed interest and people were coming
along and for a while it became the in thing
amongst certain groups to profess faith. Look at that point.
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You you welcome and you accept everyone. It's the parable
of the sower. Some at first receive the word with joy,
but then they fall away. So we shouldn't despair when
there's a decline and we shouldn't think the rapture is
just around the corner. If you believe in that or
you know that, um, that, you know, the the whole
world's about to be converted. I think we need to
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be very, very careful about quantifying these things. And I
think we should rejoice at a new openness. We should
rejoice when we hear of baptisms and everything else, and
we pray that it will continue. But we mustn't despair
when there's some false fruit, because that is that has
ever been the case. And Jesus warned us of that.
S1 (43:33):
Yeah, that's a very solemn bit of counsel. One last thing.
If I were going to be a visitor at the
Scots Kirk in Newcastle, what would I hear on Sunday morning?
What are you preaching on right now?
S10 (43:46):
Oh, um, believe it or not, I'm going through acts
and I'm looking at the relationship of church and state
because we're on to acts 22, Paul speaking about the Romans.
So you would find it very interesting, Janet.
S1 (43:56):
Isn't that. Oh, if I could tell to transport myself there,
I would be there on the front row hearing that. David.
Thank you. You always give us so much to think about.
I love the way that you were unashamed of the
gospel of Jesus Christ, and you apply it to the
world around us. And how Jesus is always the answer,
or he is the missing component in one of the
issues that you've taken up. But you write, you blog,
you speak, you teach about this, and I'm so glad
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that you do. And it's a winsome witness for so
many of us. Thank you for that. Again. I want
you to follow David. He's on. It's really easy to find.
The Wee Flea. Com is his website, just a wide
variety of topics that he talks about. And if you're
interested in getting some solid answers to questions from the Bible, well,
just look at his book. Ask a period S period
(44:38):
K period 52 questions with answers from the Bible. Check
it out. It's on our website. Thank you David. Thank
you friends. We'll see you next time.
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move in Israel about Israel going back to, well, the
lands that you have in that map in your Bible.
Have a listen.
S6 (04:37):
In a move that could have major implications for the
future of the region, Israel's parliament Wednesday passed a symbolic
resolution calling for the full application of sovereignty over Judea,
Samaria and the Jordan Valley. While the vote has no
immediate legal effect, it signals growing momentum within the ruling
coalition to formalise control over the biblical heartland.
S7 (05:01):
The Knesset approved a historic declaration to apply full Israeli
sovereignty over our homeland, Judea and Samaria.
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More than 700,000 Jewish Israelis now live in those areas,
while nearly 3 million Palestinians remain under Israeli military law.
The motion follows last year's resolution opposing a Palestinian state
and could mark a turning point in Israeli policy. While
all eyes remain on Judea and Samaria, Gaza continues to
dominate international headlines. Israeli officials say they're doing everything possible
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to get aid to civilians, but accused Hamas of blocking
deliveries and the United Nations of refusing to cooperate.
S8 (05:40):
Let me start with the facts and not the fiction.
In Gaza today, there is no famine caused by Israel.
There is, however, a man made Aid shortage engineered by Hamas. Now,
too often the full story is not being told. This
suffering exists because Hamas has created it.
S6 (06:00):
He noted aid is delivered through two channels the Gaza
Humanitarian Foundation, which has delivered tens of millions of meals
to civilians, and UN coordinated shipments of raw materials delivered
to Gaza bakeries and communal kitchens. President Isaac Herzog visited
Gaza Wednesday to inspect military progress and the humanitarian situation.
S9 (06:20):
We are acting here according to international law, providing humanitarian
aid according to international law, and those trying to sabotage
the humanitarian efforts are Hamas and its people, who are
spinning this to prevent our forces from dismantling infrastructures that
could harm us and our citizens.
S6 (06:39):
Despite over 950 aid trucks cleared and ready for distribution
inside Gaza, the United Nations continues to refuse to work
with the IDF. Israeli officials say the UN is more
invested in bashing Israel than feeding hungry Gazans. Meanwhile, the
IDF has concluded an internal investigation into last week's strike
on Gaza's only Catholic church. They say the building was
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hit by a misfired artillery shell caused by a technical malfunction,
not a targeted attack. But that hasn't stopped recent accusations
that Israel is persecuting Christians.
S8 (07:11):
There is no crisis where there is a crisis. Is
that the Pro-hamas movement are trying to engineer a crisis.
This is purely an engineered crisis. We take our relationship
with the Christian community extremely seriously. Israel is the only
country where the number of Christians are increasing. It's the
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only country in hundreds of miles in any direction where
Christians are free to practice their faith freely, freely, without restrictions.
S6 (07:43):
Outside Gaza, regional tensions remain high. An Iranian Navy helicopter
confronted the USS Fitzgerald after it neared Iranian waters in
the Gulf of Oman. The aircraft reportedly issued a warning
before the destroyer threatened to shoot it down. The first
confrontation since the 12 Day War ended mid-June, and ceasefire
talks between Israel and Hamas may be inching forward. President
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Trump's special envoy, Steve Witkoff, arrived in Doha with hopes
of securing a deal that could include a humanitarian corridor
and the release of Israeli hostages. An answer from Hamas
may be forthcoming as soon as today from Jerusalem. I'm
Chuck Holten for CBN news.
S1 (08:23):
So let me go back to that accusation again. You
know the UN is not worth the building they're sitting
in right now in New York City. So 900 plus
trucks closer to 950 of humanitarian aid. Israel gets those
trucks safely into the Gazan area and the UN refuses
to pick up the supplies. And then the UN turns
around and accuses Israel of starving the Gazans. So just
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so you have the facts there, and you can't know
the players without a program. And the program is the
UN is markedly anti-Israel. None of that comes as a surprise.
By the way, let me tell you also that just today,
the French President, Macron says that come September before the UN,
he is going to recognize a Palestinian state, which in
truth is sound and fury, signifying absolutely nothing because they
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can't establish a state vis a vis the UN. Upon
hearing this declaration, Israel's national security minister said, we recognize
France as a Palestinian state. Gotta love their sense of
humor by saying that. He's saying, you could say all
that you want to. You do not establish states by
any stretch of the imagination. It's just yet again, another
(09:31):
hallmark of the anti-Semitism that's embodied in the United Nations.
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the market with Janet parshall.org. I don't get how it works,
but it's tomorrow in Australia, so I guess maybe this
is sloppy theology that Jesus doesn't return tomorrow because it's
tomorrow in Australia. And I'm talking to David Robertson. And
I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that he'd
be taken up harpazo the Greek word, uh, when Jesus
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comes to take his church and I'm talking to him,
so I wasn't I know he's not left behind, so
he's going to be there, which means it's tomorrow. I
don't know don't follow the theology on this. I could
be completely off. David, as you know, is a Scottish
Presbyterian minister, currently the minister of Scots Kirk in Newcastle,
New South Wales in Australia. Uh, he served for many, many,
many years in Dundee, Scotland, where he was a pastor there.
(11:00):
But that didn't stop him from saying, yes, Lord, when
he said pack up and move to Australia. So he
went and he took all of the skills with him
he used regularly in Scotland. Now he's just doing it
in Australia. He is a broadcaster, a writer, a blogger,
a columnist. He hosts The Quantum of the weekly podcast,
which is fabulous. It's applied Christianity. He looks at the
(11:20):
world and he applies the whole truth of the whole
gospel to the whole world around him. And then he
writes books, too. And I've put ask a period S
period k period 52 questions with answers from the Bible
as a resource, written by David on our website, started
out by answering questions from some young people. And really
I got into it and I thought, well, there's a
whole lot of grown ups who would have asked the
same question, so check it out if you're looking for
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a way to find out some of the answers to
some of the questions about Scripture. But be that as
it may, we're going to roll up our sleeves and
dive into some of the things that David has been
blogging and talking about lately. And we're going to start
I'm going to pick up because I just started talking
about Israel, and I want to talk about Jews in
Australia because, David, you wrote a wonderful piece to this end.
And I can tell you, I don't know how many
people here in the United States are aware that there
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is a fairly large Jewish community in Australia. In fact,
I had the privilege of interviewing the head of Jews
for Jesus in Australia not too long ago. Um, so
one wonders if there are Jews in Australia, does it
follow suit? Given what we're seeing in this day and age?
Are we seeing a market uptick, uptick in anti-Semitism in
Australia as well. So the warmest of welcomes tell me
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that you're okay. You're still here. You haven't been raptured yet.
And then talk to me about Jews in Australia.
S10 (12:30):
Well Janet, nice to talk to you again. All I
can say to your listeners is they should never follow
your theology of time. That's. Do you know, I would, uh, yeah. Yeah,
I think, um, the the concept of us. Look, as
I've said to you many times, I'm Australian and we're
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a day ahead. I'm Scottish, which means that we're a
year ahead in terms of, of thought and so.
S1 (13:00):
And deep cerebral activity. Yes, I get that.
S10 (13:03):
Yeah. And also, um, I can tell you in the
future there's illness. I'm on antibiotics at the moment. So
if any of my thoughts are incoherent, you can, you can,
you know, so this is my this is how much
I love you, that I'm still prepared to get out
my bed and come and do this. So it's it
is the morning in Australia. It is a lovely morning.
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And yeah, it's a really interesting subject. The Jews in Australia,
I think this is true. I need to check it.
But I believe that after the Second World War, Apart
from Israel, Australia was the number one nation that Jews
went to after the Holocaust. Um, there were large Jewish
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communities in Sydney and in Melbourne and an enormous influence,
as I wrote in the article, uh, the kind of the,
you know, the Jews just are remarkable, the influence they
have in a in a nation, not some kind of
secret cabal running the nation, but just by, um, developing and,
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you know, their own abilities. So, uh, we had considerable influence. Um,
general Sir John Monash was the was most famous Australian general. Uh,
the first, uh, native born governor general was also, uh, Jewish,
Sir Isaac Isaacs. You don't get much more Jewish name
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than that. However, what has happened is the anti-Semitism and
this is a picture of this is this. No, I
think Australia here is mirroring the West. Sadly, it's mirroring
the US, particularly, uh, in the kind of middle class
elites it's mirroring France. I heard your news item there.
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I did think that the Israeli response, you know, they
recognize France as a Palestinian state, uh, was, was quite funny. Um, but,
you know, it's mirroring the UK and it's sadly mirroring Scotland,
where I always used to boast. I think it's not true.
I think Finland was the same, that Scotland was the
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only country in Europe never to have had anti-Jewish laws. Um,
but in recent years, a friend of mine who's Jewish, uh,
has left Scotland. Uh, he's he's also gay. And I
wondered if he said he was leaving because of the homophobia,
as he would put it. And he said no, because
of the anti-Semitism. And the reason for this antisemitism Semitism
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is twofold. Firstly, whereas anti-Semitism used to be a right
wing thing, you know, far right, Hitler, fascist, all that
kind of stuff. Um, now it's very definitely left wing progressive, uh,
which is really quite astonishing. But that's the way it is.
And secondly, it is the importation of millions of Muslim
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immigrants into the West and the influence that they have.
And that is certainly true here in Australia. Probably the
most horrible example I've seen personally. Apart from the armed
guards outside Jewish schools and outside the Jewish Holocaust Museum,
which is just horrific, was when the, uh, it was
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decided to light up the Sydney Opera House with the
Israeli flag, and Jews were warned by the police to
stay out of Sydney city centre Center because there was
going to be a pro-Palestinian anti-Israel, which really means anti-Jewish demonstration.
And it was infamous that people were chanting on the
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steps of the Sydney Opera House, gas the Jews. Now,
that was disputed. Whether they were saying that or whether
it was just kill the Jews or get the Jews
or where are the Jews, it doesn't matter. It was
it was horrific to watch. And I have this photograph
of a group of Jews in what was a significantly
Jewish area where Bondi Beach is and so on, looking
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across the water and to the opera house with an
Israeli flag not being able to go. And that was horrific.
S3 (17:14):
Well.
S1 (17:14):
You write in your piece wonderfully. You end it by saying,
and we must also remember that it is the Jew,
Jesus Christ, who is the only one that can bring
that peace. He is the one who breaks down the
dividing wall of partition between Jew and Gentile and that
other Jew. Paul reminds us in his letter to the Ephesians.
It was only when the whole earth is filled with
his glory that there will be peace from the river
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to the sea. None of this should come as a surprise.
David Robertson is with us for the rest of the hour.
I'm thrilled. I know you are too. Back after this.
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We love spending time with David Robertson, Scottish minister, currently
Minister of Scots. Kirk, Newcastle, New South Wales in Australia,
where he joins me from Down Under. I don't get
how the tech works. I'm just so thankful it does. So, David,
I want to go to a piece that you wrote.
I thought it was fascinating about Glastonbury, and I'm not
sure how many people here in the West understand that.
We understand Woodstock. We understand a lot of the music
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festivals that take place here in the United States. Straw
man might be the closer thing to what we've got here.
But you talked about this brilliantly in a piece in
Christian today, not to be confused with Christianity Today, entitled
Glastonbury and the Banality of Evil. I'd love for you
to talk about this.
S10 (18:42):
Sure. Well, Glastonbury is a fascinating thing. It's a it's
a annual rock festival run by this farmer, a very
big farmer. Um. It is. How will I put it? Janet?
Let me put it this way. It's not for you,
but not not because it has good music. But it's
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like for yuppie progressives, you know, and it's actually a
bit of a joke here, you know, that basically, um,
there's a writer, Rod Liddle, who's very funny. He said,
basically all the horrible people in England get put in
one place. And he jokingly remarked about it. And solving
the country of all its problems, um, which was a
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rather Uh, nasty thing to say. Obviously didn't mean it,
but still. Nonetheless, people wanted to sue him for saying it.
But it's it's if you're if you're here's the thing.
If you're white, middle class, um, progressive and want to
proclaim your solidarity with the poor and enjoy some decent music,
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then that's where you go. And it's become highly politicized,
which is why I wrote about it. So I'll give
you a couple of examples. Um, one is they always
do this. We welcome immigrants and no borders, no walls.
And the supreme irony of that is, uh, Glastonbury costs
a lot of money to get into. In order to
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protect it from the plebs. They build a wall, a
literal wall, all the way around it. And there they
are inside, chanting, no more walls. Walls separate. I mean,
it's really quite funny. But the other thing that wasn't
so funny is, um, they had, uh, a couple of
acts on, uh, this This time I'm one guy in
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particular shouting, I don't know if you've heard this one,
he said, but death, death to the IDF. So here
we had a bunch of middle class English people chanting
for death, uh, as though we were in Iran. You know,
it was really quite astounding, you know. And so I
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wrote about that because I just thought, I'm not sure
I'd want to go to any festival where we were chanting,
where we were chanting death to anybody. Uh, but the
fact that they do this and they somehow think it's
a virtue is really quite horrible. And that's why I
cited philosopher, um, Hannah Arendt in her book on Eichmann,
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where she spoke of the banality of evil. Uh, to me,
this was evil, and it was banal, actually. Now, there's
an irony as well. There's a band called Oasis, which
I'm sure many of your listeners will have heard of
who've just kind of reformed the Gallagher brothers, very, very
popular in the US a bit as well, but certainly
in the UK and elsewhere. Um, they sold out, I
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can't remember. I think it was a million tickets in
less than 90 minutes. Um, you go to their concerts,
they're absolutely packed out tens of thousands of people. Not
a word of politics. No Palestinian flags flying, no political chants.
And I think we're seeing two different cultures in the UK.
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One is the progressive culture, and the other is what
I would just call the ordinary working man's culture. Uh,
and I think you see that cultural dynamic in the
US as well, and increasingly here in Australia too.
S1 (22:12):
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. You end by asking the question, what
is the solution? How do you answer that?
S10 (22:20):
Well, I think if I remember rightly, I'd said something
like Glastonbury builds walls and fuels hatred, and that the
only way that we beat that is through the proclamation
of the good news of Christ. I think it's so sad.
I'm watching in the Western world the hatred of mobs,
the irrationality of the progressives, the confusion sometimes of the
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right wing as well, and the weakness of the politicians.
And I think I put in the article about the
perversity of the human heart as well. And there's only
one who came to deal with the human heart, and
that's Christ. And I cited Ephesians 214. He himself is
our peace, who has made the two groups one and
has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility. And
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I think, you know, the Oasis concert goers and the
Glastonbury concert goers and the pro-immigrant people and the anti-immigrant people.
And it's not just as simple as that, you know. Um,
I think the only solution for every single one of
us is Christ. And it's as the West has forgotten
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that that we've descended into this chaos and this this divisiveness,
which is very, very, very prevalent. You know, and um,
I think, uh, yeah, the in the article I said
Britain is in a very dark place without a major
music festival. Thousands chant for the death of Israeli Jews.
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And this is broadcast across the world by the BBC.
And then on social media, I think it's indicative of
where we're at.
S1 (23:56):
Yeah. I think that's an astute observation on your part.
And I think your observation of the answer and the
answer is Jesus is right on and so necessary. The
gospel changes everything. And I love your recitation of the
verse in Ephesians about who breaks down those barriers, those walls.
Let me take a break and we're going to continue
with David Robertson. I've got a link, by the way,
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He observes so much of what's going on in the world.
Keen insight, sound theology, clever takes. He also was on X.
You can follow him on there as well. And also
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This is in the market with Janet Parshall. David Robertson
is visiting with us. It is tomorrow there. He joins
us from Australia and he wears many hats, all of
them beautifully, by the way. He's a broadcaster, a writer,
a blogger, a columnist. He hosts the quantum of the weekly,
as I often say. What else would a Scotsman call
his podcast? And oh, by the way, in addition to
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all of that, he is a Scottish Presbyterian minister who
is currently the Minister of Scots Kirk, Newcastle, New South
Wales in Australia. So, David, this wasn't on the list
of things we were going to talk about, but I
thought about you immediately when I read the story that
the UK, apparently by the next general election cycle, is
going to lower the voting age to 16. Now, they
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haven't done this since 1969, where they dropped the voting
age from 21 to 18. I have had for 16
year olds. It actually gives me chills to think that
you're going to do this. And if you're going to
say that they can vote at 16, can they buy liquor?
Can they buy cigarettes? Will they be drafted by the military? Uh,
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what are the things will they be allowed to do?
But why is it just this age of 16? You know,
the brain, the frontal lobe isn't even fully formed until
you're 25. Why are you letting 16 year olds vote?
S10 (26:35):
Yeah, it's a very good question. Um. Uh, in my
wilder moments, I think we should raise the voting age
to 50, but.
S1 (26:43):
Agreed.
S10 (26:44):
You know? You know, let the elders decide. Um, the
reason for doing it, it's, you know, there's actually a
biblical thing here. It's, you know, Isaiah, they shall be
run by children. Mhm. Um, the reason for doing it
is not because they perceive 16 year olds to have
this incredible ability. It's because the labor government reckoned that
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16 year olds are much more likely to vote for them.
S1 (27:10):
Exactly.
S10 (27:10):
So, you know, you get this constant thing where people say,
oh well, look, the older people who are dying off
are their more conservative, and younger people tend to be
more inverted commas, progressive left wing. To which my response
is yes, but usually younger people grow up, you know. And, um,
I think that that it this is look, it's it's
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an attempt at vote rigging, um, particularly since our education
systems have become indoctrination systems. So now I think this
will backfire on labour because I think the youth vote
will go to the Greens, who are much more left wing.
And also to reform who are the opposite direction. But
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they speak much more for, I would say, ordinary people.
And also it's more radical. Young people sometimes like to
be more radical. They're not necessarily going to vote the
way that their teachers tell them to. So it's it's again,
it's a sign for me of a collapse in in democracy.
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The idea of democracy is that, you know, people are educated,
that they think for themselves and that they get a say. Um,
the use of children as voting cannon fodder is, to
me quite reprehensible.
S1 (28:33):
I agree, and it's so interesting. That was my sense too,
that this was and we see this here in the
United States on a regular basis, that you take people
groups to try to manipulate the outcome of the election.
I was thinking also when you were talking, given the
fact that there has been this very marked, very substantial
Islamic immigration, and I use that only because that's the
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commonality where regardless of where they're coming from, there is
this massive immigration to the UK of Islam. And I
find it interesting, although very troubling, that apparently due deference
is often given to Islamic practices, speech and worldview, even
the keeper of the faith has decided he's the keeper
of the faiths and spoke recently at an Islamic center,
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which bothered me tremendously. I'm not quite sure his mother
would even be pleased with that, but it is the influence,
I guess. There's two questions there. One is the influence
of Islamic worldview going to have an impact on the election,
and if so, would that tip in favor of labor?
And hence there's some some tepid behavior in terms of
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immigration laws or not?
S10 (29:40):
Well, it's very interesting. I don't think the Islamic thing
has got anything to do with the 16 year olds.
Although let me add something here. My cultural experience would
be this, that one of the other disasters we've done
democratically is to allow postal votes for people who could
actually vote in person, because in the UK, what you
would do is you'd go to your village hall or
your church hall or whatever, you'd go into a private
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space and you would vote and nobody would know how
you voted. But under postal votes, you could have the
head of the house take all the postal ballots of
all his family. And in Islamic homes it's often extended families.
And he could vote for every single one and send
it off, you know, so the the sacredness of the
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ballot has disappeared. And I think that's disturbing as regards
the Islamic influence. Yes. And it's and and again, it's
much more than people realise. Uh, the Labour Party did
used to benefit a lot from the Islamic vote. But
at the last election there were four independents who were
basically Islamic, or at least pro-Palestinian, who were elected over
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and against Labour. Now, excuse me, Jeremy Corbyn and uh,
and Islamic MP are setting up a new left wing
Labour Party. Jeremy Corbyn used to be, um, the leader
of the Labour Party. And it would be very interesting
to see what influence they have. But I think the
role of Islam, my view about this, I think I've
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said this to you before, but you don't need to
get to 51% of a population to have an Islamic state.
You need about 10% because the Muslims and I give
them credit for this. They're very well organized. They're very political.
You cannot separate Islam from politics. And if you've got 10%
of a community that are really committed and dedicated, they
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are going to tip that whole community towards their direction.
And I think that's what is happening, and especially when
you have the stupidity of the progressives somehow. I mean,
is there any dafter group than queers for Palestine? You know,
that's just, you know. Yeah. Where that sign in Gaza
and see how long you live. You know, but nonetheless,
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people who are apparently paying fortunes to get degrees to
show how intelligent they are can carry those signs. And
it just doesn't make any sense. But I do think
that this is where this is going. And I think
someone like Christopher Hitchens There's a clip going around on
X at the moment from the late, great Christopher Hitchens,
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an atheist, but he was in a discussion with John Lennox,
a wonderful Christian, and he said this. There's going to
come a time when Islamophobia will be the law. You
won't be able to say anything against Islam. And he says,
you know who's going to do it? It's going to
be the vicars and the progressives and all this kind
of stuff. And he was very left wing at one level.
And he said, it's always the barbarians only get into
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the city when people open the gates from inside. And
I thought that was incredibly insightful. And I think that's
what's happening.
S1 (32:41):
Yeah. I would be remiss if I didn't ask your
take on King Charles and his really very clear sympathies
toward Islam. I understand that he's actually studied Arabic. I
can tell you that at Highgrove, among the myriad of
gardens that he's got, one of them is an Arabic garden. Um,
and so he gives an Arabic address over Christmas time
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and he just again, excuse me, spoke at one of
their societies and it's raised the concern of a lot
of people because he's been rather dogmatic, no pun intended,
in the use of that word, that he doesn't want
to be known as the keeper of the faith. He
is the titular head of the Church of England, different
than the setup we have here in the United States.
But he wants to be of the faiths. But the
faith in particular he seems to favor is Islam. Where
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is this coming from?
S10 (33:24):
It's coming from ignorance. Um, and it's coming from, uh,
real difficulty, I think, in different ways. Uh, he, he
there's an ignorance and there's a lack of awareness. Um,
I think for me, he has a fantasy view of
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the world, and he thinks that if he stands up
and says, look, we should all have windmills and save
the planet, that people will do this. He thinks if
we go back to indigenous religion, whatever that is, um,
we'll be fine. I would say to him, why don't
you go back to the indigenous religion of the English
people or of the British people, which is Christianity. He
thinks that, I mean, good for him for looking at
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Arabic and looking at Islam, but his view of Islam
as a religion of peace is an absurd one, historically,
for anyone who's read the Koran. I think, um, King
Charles is an extremely dangerous man. When he was appointed.
I said, he'll be the third King Charles. The first
one was terrible and caused the English Civil War. And,
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you know, Cromwell's my hero and he was executed. The
second one was was pretty awful and persecuted the Puritans
and drove us all off to the United States, where
we set up this wonderful country which you are now spoiling.
And then and and the third one is this kind
of progressive, you know, green. All religions are the same.
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Let's go back to Mother Nature, uh, millionaire who doesn't
understand the history of his own people, doesn't understand the Bible. And,
you know, unless William takes over fairly quickly, could easily
be the last king of England.
S1 (35:09):
Wow. Wow. I'm glad I asked, because there's. Pray for
those in authority. I mean, I love the fact that
that verse doesn't limit it to presidents of the United States.
It's those in authority, whether you voted for them or not,
whether or not you appreciate them. And again, remember, there's
a precious promise that comes with that about the kind
of lives we get to lead if we, in obedience,
prays for those and pray for those in authority. I
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think there is a spiritual hunger there, but I think
he's looking in the wrong place for the answer to
the question that's in his heart. And like I say,
I wonder, especially when I remember reading a marvelous book
about the faith of Queen Elizabeth. I remember her talking
once about the fact that she was a queen, but
that she served a king. She was very unapologetic about that,
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had multiple meetings with Billy Graham, and really spoke as
though she knew Christ on a very personal level, as
opposed to sort of formalized level. And I wonder if
she would be pleased if she were seeing the direction
that Charles is going these days. Something to think about,
but far more importantly, something to pray about. You know
everybody needs Jesus, whether you're a prince or a pauper.
Every single one of us will someday stand before a king.
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And it's going to make no difference what station you
held in life. It's whether or not you have received
to yourself what Christ did for us on the cross,
recognizing our sins, confessing them before the Lord himself, and
receiving him into our lives. Christ, who is the one
mediator between God and man, and the only name under
heaven whereby we will be saved, every single one of us.
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Take a break back after this. We're visiting with David Robertson,
which we are fortunate to be able to do on
a regular basis. He is a Scottish Presbyterian minister, currently
the Minister of Scots. Kirk, Newcastle, New South Wales in Australia.
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You know, I've been following this with great interest and
I was delighted to see that you wrote about this recently, David,
which is there's been so much conversation about there being
a revival in the UK. In fact, I'm so thankful
for social media in one respect, and that is, I've
watched some absolutely amazing praise and worship services where Jesus
is declared as Saviour and Lord with no ambiguity coming
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from the UK. And it stirs my heart when you
think that this is the land of the Reformation and
how we got our Bible and all of the stories
that are tied back to our faith today, emanating from
the history created in the United Kingdom, to say nothing
of the martyrs that lost their life there as well,
particularly the Scottish martyrs who gave up their life for
Christ as well. But the question then is raised if
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we're seeing if this is legitimate in the UK, are
we likewise seeing a kind of revival taking place in
Australia as well? And you address that recently? Give me
your take on this.
S10 (37:53):
Yeah. So this is quite a, a common thing that's happening.
I think sometimes Christians are far too quick to claim revival.
And I think we're far too quick to claim the
end of the world. You know that. Everything's just all rubbish.
I think it's always been in between. Um, there are
times when there is more judgement on a particular country,
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and there are times when there is what I would
call a genuine revival. You know, I think of in
the US the likes of Whitefield and Jonathan Edwards, you know,
and there have been movements and so on. But the
trouble is that we just we exaggerate at times and
we shouldn't do that. My view is that what's happening
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just now in the West is a cultural movement. It's
not a revival that as people are seeing and people
like Jordan Peterson and other cultural commentators, Douglas Murray and
so on are witnessing what the collapse of Christianity in
terms of it being removed as the foundation of our
society means they want us to go back to it.
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And there's a very interesting phenomenon. I think this is
true of the US as well. There's a division now,
male and female. Now, when I grew up, the division
was perceived as being if you're a woman, you're much
more likely to be interested in Christianity. Well, the division,
male and female now is this females are much more
likely to be progressive and left wing, and males are
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much more likely to incline towards Christianity and to being
more conservative. That sounds so absurd for someone my age.
But I think that is what's happening. I mean, I'll
give you just a. There are lots of there's lots
of anecdotal stuff, but, uh, 3 or 4 Sundays ago
here we have a very small church. It's growing gradually,
and we had no young people. And last Sunday, uh,
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about a month ago, sorry, there was about ten young people.
And nine of them were young men, you know, and
I think the one who wasn't was there because of
a young man. So, you know, it's, uh, this is
often what happens, by the way. So I think that, um,
there is something very, very interesting going on. And in
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the UK it was really interesting seeing like on I
think it was Bournemouth beach, I mean, a church I
know well they, they did 95 baptisms on the beach
and the BBC actually covered it and reported it, which
is really unusual. In Australia we are seeing some movements
in some ways, you know, particularly amongst immigrant populations, but
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also again, particularly amongst, uh, men. I don't I don't
think it's revival. I think just being open to going
to church or considering things doesn't make you a Christian.
You know, the old adage of, you know, the famous
illustration of going to church doesn't make you a Christian
any more than going to a garage makes you a car.
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But it's it's nonetheless it's a good sign. So I'm
I'm quite positive about that, although I don't think it's revival.
And I have to say this just personally in my
experience as a pastor. For me, it's always been true.
There's always been negatives and there's always been positives. And
just from this is just my own personal experience in
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some ways. Uh, I've always found it easier, uh, in
terms of speaking to men. Uh, most of the churches
I've been in have had more men than women, and
I don't know why that is. Um, I think, by
the way, another big problem that's occurred, and this is
a completely separate issue and, well, no, no, it's not
completely separate, but it'll take us a whole program, which
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we don't have. So I'll throw it in at the end. Um,
and that is, um, the feminization of the church was
a disaster for the church. Now, that's not to say
that men and women are not equal. That's not what
I'm saying. But I'm saying going against God's pattern for
the church. Surprise, surprise. If you don't go by the
makers instruction, it don't work.
S11 (41:43):
Mm.
S1 (41:44):
Yeah. How true that is. Uh, let's let's remember you
and I. Let's make a mental note to talk more
about that the next time that you come, because that
is a universal problem. And I so appreciate what you
said about going against God's plan. So I want to
dig deeper into that. Um, so we're seeing what you
talked about, it being sort of a cultural response. Every
single week I'm getting pictures and stories of massive numbers
(42:07):
of baptisms that are taking place on various college campuses
across the country. Do we what what should our response
be to something like that? Should we just be still
and know that He is God and see what sort
of seeds get planted? But more importantly, what fruit is
borne out of something like that? Walk us through that.
How do we how do we react to those stories?
Because we're getting more of them.
S10 (42:29):
Well, I think the phrase that's in mind for me
is you shall know them by their fruits. Mhm. So,
you know, I've gone through periods in my ministry where
in the church or in the area where I was,
there was a significant renewed interest and people were coming
along and for a while it became the in thing
amongst certain groups to profess faith. Look at that point.
(42:52):
You you welcome and you accept everyone. It's the parable
of the sower. Some at first receive the word with joy,
but then they fall away. So we shouldn't despair when
there's a decline and we shouldn't think the rapture is
just around the corner. If you believe in that or
you know that, um, that, you know, the the whole
world's about to be converted. I think we need to
(43:14):
be very, very careful about quantifying these things. And I
think we should rejoice at a new openness. We should
rejoice when we hear of baptisms and everything else, and
we pray that it will continue. But we mustn't despair
when there's some false fruit, because that is that has
ever been the case. And Jesus warned us of that.
S1 (43:33):
Yeah, that's a very solemn bit of counsel. One last thing.
If I were going to be a visitor at the
Scots Kirk in Newcastle, what would I hear on Sunday morning?
What are you preaching on right now?
S10 (43:46):
Oh, um, believe it or not, I'm going through acts
and I'm looking at the relationship of church and state
because we're on to acts 22, Paul speaking about the Romans.
So you would find it very interesting, Janet.
S1 (43:56):
Isn't that. Oh, if I could tell to transport myself there,
I would be there on the front row hearing that. David.
Thank you. You always give us so much to think about.
I love the way that you were unashamed of the
gospel of Jesus Christ, and you apply it to the
world around us. And how Jesus is always the answer,
or he is the missing component in one of the
issues that you've taken up. But you write, you blog,
you speak, you teach about this, and I'm so glad
(44:18):
that you do. And it's a winsome witness for so
many of us. Thank you for that. Again. I want
you to follow David. He's on. It's really easy to find.
The Wee Flea. Com is his website, just a wide
variety of topics that he talks about. And if you're
interested in getting some solid answers to questions from the Bible, well,
just look at his book. Ask a period S period
(44:38):
K period 52 questions with answers from the Bible. Check
it out. It's on our website. Thank you David. Thank
you friends. We'll see you next time.
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