April 21, 2025 • 47 mins
"Music is the weapon in the war against unhappiness." These powerful words from Alethea Crimmins capture the heart of this transformative conversation with Broadway performer Nicolas King.
From the moment Nicolas steps into the passenger seat, the chemistry is electric. With a voice smooth as silk that's earned him recognition as a modern-day crooner in the tradition of Frank Sinatra, Nicolas shares his remarkable journey that began at just four years old. By seven, he was performing on Broadway in Disney's Beauty and the Beast as Chip the Teacup, eventually becoming the longest-running actor in that role in Broadway history.
But it's Nicolas's deeply personal connection with music that truly resonates. Mentored by the legendary Liza Minnelli from age 11, Nicolas served as her opening act for over a decade. Through this relationship, he learned that performance isn't just about sequins and jazz hands—it's about intention, purpose, and authentic expression. This mentorship provided an education that shaped not only his artistry but his approach to life.
The conversation takes a profound turn when Nicolas shares how a friend's simple statement—"I haven't lied in six years"—transformed his perspective on authenticity. Both Alethea and Nicolas explore the courage it takes to stop pretending, to release expectations imposed by others, and to embrace who you truly are. For those struggling with depression or feeling silenced because of who they love, music becomes more than entertainment—it's salvation.
As Nicolas explains the science behind music's emotional impact, we understand why certain songs can bring us to tears or lift us from our darkest moments. When he performs "My Funny Valentine" live during the episode, it's a moving demonstration of music's power to express what words alone cannot.
Ready to experience the healing power of music? Listen now, and remember to give yourself permission to let it out so you can let it go.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Yeah, shine like glitter, let the lightning light
get bigger and in the sky, highlike a winner, big and bright,
like a diamond on a silver, andyou're welcome, hello everybody,
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and we back back back again.
Welcome to, in the PassengerSeat with me, your girl, alethea
Crimmins.
Now, y'all just heard the introsong Shot Like Glitter.
Listen.
Music has been my passion sinceI was a child, but what I
didn't realize is how importantmusic has been in my life
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overall.
Realizes how important musichas been in my life overall.
So a little known fact about meis that I have depression.
I think what it is isfunctional depression, where I
can still go about my day todayand I look happy on the outside,
but inside it's like I wasscreaming, I was crying and I
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needed some type of outlet justto let out my emotions, to say
what I really felt inside.
Have y'all been there Like it'slike you?
You just don't know what to say, you don't know how to say it.
It's like you have all theseemotions just built up inside of
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you and you don't know how toget it out.
Music was the thing that savedmy life, literally.
They say that music is magicand I really believe that it is.
Every time I'd be unhappy, Iwill put a song on, listen to my
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favorite song, my favorite jam,and I'm just like hey, hey, hey
, and I forget how unhappy I was.
I forget what I was mad about.
Music is therapy and I knowthat y'all know, because if
y'all put on your favorite songright now, right now, right this
minute, then you will forgetabout everything that you were
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mad about and you will just bein the moment.
Music is literally like the waragainst unhappiness.
Music is the weapon in the waragainst unhappiness.
Music is the weapon in the waragainst unhappiness.
That is how strongly I feelabout music.
It is a weapon to me.
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It battles my anxiety, itbattles my depression, it
battles my anger issues.
It just takes all that on.
It speaks the words that Icannot say, because there's so
much that I want to say and it'slike I don't know how to put it
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into words.
If you listen to Adele, adelemakes beautiful music, but when
she was in a place where she wasdepressed, like she had just
broken up with the one that shewas with, the music that she
made was just amazing, becauseyou're able to really speak
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through music, like you're ableto get the words out.
Music is therapy and when Icreate my music nine times out
of 10, I'm going through someshit.
I am going through somethingand I just need to let the shit
out, and that's when I write mybest.
That is when I write my best.
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So listen, we all can't sing,like you know.
But I feel like what you can dois, anytime that you feel in
some type of way, write it down,put it into song belt, that
shit out.
I know that y'all are in y'allcars right now listening to this
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, and when your song comes on,y'all it don't matter who is
watching.
I need you to sing, scream likenobody is watching and watch
how good you feel, watch howgreat you feel.
Music is literally a lifesaver,and when somebody sings good
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and it touches your soul and youfeel their passion, you feel
their emotions, it's like you'reright there with them.
You are right there with themin the moment.
I challenge you to write a song.
Write a song.
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It doesn't have to rhyme, itdoesn't have to rhyme, it
doesn't have to make sense.
Just put out your emotions, letthe music speak.
Just let the music speak foryou.
Have you ever listen?
I don't know about y'all, buthave you ever broken up with
somebody?
And then you hear this song andit reminds you of everything
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that you are going through.
And then you send that song tothat person and be like, look,
this is how I be feeling.
Listen, I've done it, do notlie, because I know that y'all
have done it too, but it sayseverything that you cannot say.
Use that as a tool, use that astherapy, use that to get out
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the shit that you need to getout, and watch how good you feel
, watch how amazing you feelafter you.
Just let that shit out.
Just sing it as loud and proudas you possibly can.
Honey, you might have a hit onyour hands like you never know.
That's what music does.
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So this person that will be inthe passenger seat with me, baby
, the way this man, they call ita crooner.
The way this they call it acrooner, like Frank Sinatra,
when he sang, he crooned.
It was just this way, like jazz.
Jazz is one of my favoritegenres and it just lifts your
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spirit.
And they have this way wheretheir voice is just so.
It's like silk, damn near Like.
Who is it that made that song?
Y'all know what is that song?
See, it's going to come to melater on, but he says I bet you
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wonder where I've been, what youwon't do.
Baby him, the way that his voiceis smooth like silk, that is a
crooner.
Okay, so the person that isabout to come on in the
passenger seat right now, baby,his voice is smooth like silk.
He has been singing since hewas four years old.
He grew up around the greats,so how could he not be an
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entertainer when you grew uparound people like Liza Manelli,
carol Burnett, like, what, like?
It just blows my mind, and I amso honored, I am so proud that
he chose to be in my passengerseat and I hope that he can sing
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a little ditty.
Maybe I can get him to singsomething I don't know we're
going to see.
Maybe I can ask him, maybe Ican ask him, maybe I can
convince him to sing a littlesomething we're going to see
when he comes.
But, baby, we're going to run alittle clip so you can hear
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exactly what I am talking about.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Once I get you up there, where the air is so
rarefied, we are gonna glidestarry-eyed.
Once I get you up there, I'llbe holding you so fully near you
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might even hear all of theangels cheer, because we're
together.
Weather-wise.
It's such a lovely day, but ifyou just say the words, we'll
beat those birds down toAcapulco Bay.
Hey, it's perfect for a flyinghoneymoon, I dare to say.
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So come on, fly with me, comefly, let's fly, pack up, let's
fly away.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yes, oh, my goodness, did I not tell you?
Did I not tell you, baby, I amso excited to welcome in the
passenger seat the croon thatwill make you swoon.
The man behind the voice, mrNicholas King.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Welcome, Hello Gosh.
I want that introductioneverywhere I go.
Can you just travel with me andjust do that yes.
Just imagine enteringsupermarkets.
Yes, I want that introductioneverywhere.
Hello, hello, hello.
How are you?
Good morning, good morning.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Welcome in the passenger seat.
Thank you very much.
How are you?
I'm Welcome to the passengerseat.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
How are you?
I'm wonderful.
I'm happy to be back home.
I think I told you earlier I'vejust been away.
For about five weeks I've beenon the road working, so to be in
my own apartment and sleep inmy own bed and wake up in my own
bed and water my plants, sayingnothing of that, so I'm very
happy.
And water my plants, sayingnothing of that, so I'm very
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happy.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I'm in a very happy space today because I'm at home
finally.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
So for people that do not know who you are, can you
just give them just a briefrundown of who Nicholas King is?
Yeah, well, I'm an actor singer.
I've been singing and workingand performing since I was four
years old, claiming taxes, as Ilike to say, I did my first tax
return in 1995, when I was fourand a half years old, which
means that this year officiallymarks the 30 years that I'm
officially in show business,which is a really weird thing to
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say out loud.
But that's it, that's the truth.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Jeez, since you are four years old and you have a
very interesting background, canyou tell us just a little bit
about your background, because Iwas blown away.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Well, I started doing television commercials when I
was four.
So what I claim my taxes for?
I did a Dr Pepper commercialwhen I was four.
So what I claim my taxes for it?
I did a dr pepper commercial,yeah, when I was four and a half
, and that sort of led to medoing a couple dozen uh tv
commercials in the in the early,uh, mid, I'm sorry, mid to late
90s.
So if you ever saw that littlebrunette kid uh on tv pushing
products, that little annoyingbrunette kid, most likely it was
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, it was me or somebody close toit.
So I did that for for quite awhile.
And then I remember I saw aBroadway show, I saw the sound
of music when I was about seven,because a friend of mine was
playing one of the Von Trappkids, and I remember thinking
that I can do, I want to do thatbecause you know I was only
used to, you know, the setno-transcript.
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And subsequently, three hourslater, I got the job in Disney's
Beauty and the Beast onBroadway, oh, and I got to play
Chip the Teacup, which was justa joy.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
And I love Broadway.
The teacup, which was uh, wasjust a joy.
And I, I love broadway.
The sound of music has to beone of my all-time favorite
movies, one of my favoritebroadway.
Like I am a music and broadwayand Broadway Junkie, like I love
the sound of music.
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King and I, guys and Dolls,oklahoma Like I'm just like, ah,
like it's all just so great.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
I think what did it for me was, you know, I'd seen
Broadway shows before because myfamily exposed me to a lot of,
you know, a lot of theater and alot of things before, but it
was the first time I rememberseeing kids up on a stage and
there were seven of them, youknow and then I went backstage
and saw sort of how they, howthey were.
They were a big family, youknow.
They were friends with themusicians and the crew and the
stagehands and and the and theadult actors and I just remember
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thinking what a beautifulfamily that they have backstage.
And, gosh, I would love to dothat and, you know, luckily I
didn't have to wait that long.
You know, I think I saw that inthe fall of 99.
And by you know, winter of2000,.
I got the part in Beauty.
So it was my dream came truevery, very rapidly and I did
that quite a while.
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Actually, they just told methis.
Actually, during COVID, I washaving a conversation with my
former company manager and hetold me he goes.
Well, you did.
You.
Do you realize you're thelongest running chip in Broadway
history?
I said no, when would you havetold?
Had I known that that wouldhave been on my resume for years
.
You know longest, so that wasso.
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That's kind of cool.
You know to to to think that Idid that for the longest, so
that was so.
That's kind of cool.
You know to to to think that Idid that for the longest.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
But it was.
It was just a dream to to bewrapped up in in that community
and with a met.
Like several amazing peoplethat I am just like, like I
would.
I would literally pass out.
I would literally pass out.
Can you tell us about who yourmentor is?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
like I can't, like she is she is everything she,
she kind of is, and she's one ofthe most intelligent, um and
passionate and just um, allaround generous people I've I've
ever met, and that's miss lizamanelli.
Uh, we crossed paths when I wasvery little and, um, when I was
about 11 or so, she, she, she,you know, because she'd heard me
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sing and she'd seen me onbroadway and you know, we, we
knew each other.
My grandmother was her vocalcoach for a very long time
really.
So, early on into that sort ofpartnership, I was spending a
lot more time at liza's houseand you know, we'd sing around
the piano and all this stuff and, yeah, very hollywood, you know
, just hanging around the pianoand singing and stuff.
And one day she, she called myhouse, where I was with my
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parents in Rhode Island, around1030 at night and I picked up
the phone for some reason andshe went hey, baby, it's me.
Listen, I'm going on the roadand I need someone to do 20
minutes.
You think you can do 20 minutesfor me.
I need an opening act and I was11.
So I didn't know what in theworld she was talking about, but
I said, I said yes, of courseyou don't.
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You don't say no when LizaMinnelli asks you to do
something at all.
And so no.
So I was her on again, off again, opening act for about 12 years
.
You know, on and off and goshdid we, did we have a ball?
And then she I was.
I just finished a Broadway showcalled Hollywood Arms.
It was directed by Hal Princeand it was written by Carol
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Burnett.
And we had just finished theshow and there was a slew of
projects that weren't happeningand I was just kind of depressed
.
I wasn't getting any auditionsand nothing was taking steam and
full midlife crisis at 12,really just full on.
I'm never going to work againso dramatic, so dramatic.
And I was over the house one dayand she said well, you know
what's, what's the matter.
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I said, well, you know, I'm notreally not working and I'm.
You know, there's projects Iwant to do that I'm not doing
and I love it.
And she just said had her withher cigarette.
You know, she was, withoutbatting an eyelash, thought
again, I don't know what you'retalking about.
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So so we sat together at the endof her bed for about I don't
know three, four hours with apad and a pen and she wrote down
for me and we, we workedtogether, we, we, we created a
cabaret act, a nightclub act.
You know, from start to finish.
You know song selection andkeys and, and you know selection
and keys and, and you knowpatter and character development
and intent and arc of a showand all this, all this stuff
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that goes into building a show.
And she basically directedevery nightclub act.
I did from the time I was 12till the time I was in my early
20s, you know.
So I, I, the, the education youknow, aside from the friendship,
aside from from the friendshipthat I that I have with her and
still have to this day, um, uh,just the, the education that I
received from her about how toapproach your craft has been
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really incredible.
You know, everyone thinks aboutliza, they think sequins and
jazz hands, but she is so much,she's so far beyond that.
I mean, her brain is truly onethat is, um, unparalleled to any
I've ever really worked with.
I mean she thinks about everydetail, every single movement
and every choice on stage hasintent and has purpose, and the
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things that I've learned fromher in that has just been, you
know, just extra.
You can't pay for that sort ofeducation that is amazing,
earlier, I was telling people.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Amazing, earlier, I was telling people because I
have what is now that I know ithas a name functional depression
, and music has helped me somuch like I didn't realize how
powerful music was.
I didn't realize that music isactually very therapeutic.
When you think like you couldbe having the worst day ever and
you can put this song on and itlifts your mood, it feeds your
soul, it makes you forget abouteverything negative that's
happened in your life.
How has music impacted you, orhas it impacted you in that way?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah, well, I think, like yourself, I've gone through
ups and downs.
I think, like all of us, we'veall gone through ups and downs
and some downs are pretty down.
You know, and sometimes youknow you don't see the light at
the end of the tunnel and youand you wonder, is you know what
?
What am I going to do?
You know, am I going to pullthrough?
And I found a lot of comfort inlyrics, you know, in songs that
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that can say things in a waythat I maybe can't put words to.
You know, or feelings that Idon't really quite know how to
tap into.
You know, I look at lyricistslike Alan and Marilyn Bergman,
or writers like Stephen Sondheim, or people that have this way
of getting into the feelingsbetween the feelings, you know,
because anyone can sing aboutbeing happy or sad, fine, that's
one thing.
But to get into like the marrowof it all and give yourself
permission to say things andfeel things that maybe you feel
too ashamed to say out loud.
And I've been able to findsongs that have given me
permission to do that by way ofsinging them, and when I sing
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them it makes me more, you know,connected.
But to get you know, just totouch on what you're saying
about how music affects you.
I mean it's a science.
I mean it sounds sometimes alittle woo-woo but it's not
really woo-woo, it's actually afull-on science behind the power
that music has.
You know, I'm a friend of mineonce explained to me what
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happens in certain songs whenyou, when you have two strings,
or if you play two song, twonotes on a piano or two high
violins or something you knowhigh up in the in the register,
when you, when you have twonotes playing at the same time,
at the right frequency, with thesame pitch or the same sort of
intonation, it creates, the mindhears a third note that doesn't
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actually exist.
And there's a science and I'mnot a scientist, so I'll get all
the words wrong but in layman'sterms, it creates a third or
sometimes fourth or fifth notethat's not actually being played
but because of the harmony ofthose two notes, the frequencies
join together within what wecan hear and create other notes
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that aren't actually there, butthey're tangible, they're there,
you can hear them, you can feelthem, and to me it's such a
lesson yeah, it's such a lesson,not only in science and the
power that music has to createthings that aren't there.
But to me, it also gives me theoutlook on the power that we
have as musicians, as artists,when we are creating something
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to be able to make people feelsomething that they may not be
able to see tangibly, but thatthey can feel, something that
they may not be able to seetangibly but that they can feel.
You know, and what a gift thatwe have, and we have such a gift
to be able to do this forpeople and for ourselves.
You know that we can createthese third and fourth overtones
you know that aren't beingplayed, and we can actually
influence people and help peoplefeel something in a way that
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they wouldn't be able to feelotherwise.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
That is exactly what music does for me, and it it, it
makes you, it brings outemotions that you didn't really
know that you had, because it'slike some, some, some songs.
Like I can be listening to asong and a love song and it just
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brings out these emotions ofhow grateful I am that I have
somebody who loves me and that Ican relate.
And then all of a sudden I'mjust in tears, Like, oh, this is
the best song ever.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I get the same way I get the same way.
I get the same way, andsometimes I get weepy, not
because of any one or anythingin particular.
I just get weepy because Iappreciate the beauty of a song.
Yes, you know there's somerecordings on it that you know
the song doesn't really meanvery much to me or the singer is
, you know, not necessarilyimpacting me, but just the sheer
beauty of the arrangement orthe strings or the, or the lyric
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just makes me so grateful forthis art form.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
And I'm such a sap.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Sometimes I just sit there and I'm such a baby.
I'll be on the subway, you know, I'll be on the A train, just
full, burt, lars, the cowardlyline, you know just full on.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
And I love how you said and I said this earlier
because I do the same thing Iuse song writing as somewhat of
a journal.
For because, just like you said, when you write music it gives
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you permission to say thingsthat you might not feel
comfortable saying out loud, youmay not feel comfortable
expressing that to somebody else, but when you give yourself
permission to actually let thesewords out of your head, just
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write it down.
Let these words out of yourhead, out of your mind, just
write it down, and it doesn'thave to rhyme, it doesn't have
to make sense, but it's just yougiving yourself permission to
let it out.
Because I say this time andtime again, you have to let it
out, to let it go Absolutely.
And music, songwriting is abeautiful outlet to do exactly
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that.
Let it out, so that you can letit go, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
There's a lot of push towards highlighting the things
that separate us and silencingvoices that want to be heard or
just want fair treatment, andthere's a lot of push towards
that and I think people getscared, you know, and we get
scared to do it, and we get inour own head and go, we make
ourselves small, you know, and Ithink that that's really kind
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of running rampant these daysand I challenge anybody to defy
that.
You know, it's a very importantgift that we have of the
ability to express ourselves,you know, and whether it's in
songwriting, whether it's inpoetry, you know I'm not a good
writer.
It's never been a skill setthat I know, oh yeah, I'm just,
I'm not.
I'm not, it's not my skill set,but I think what my skillset is
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interpreting other people'swritings.
So taking someone else's songand someone else's feelings and
interpreting them through mypoint of view, you know, and
singing a song from mystandpoint, and hopefully maybe
that can reach somebody, youknow.
But so that's my way of doingit.
But whatever is your strength,whether it's interpreting lyrics
or songs or poetry, or it'swriting it and creating it, I
just encourage everybody to getin the trenches and do it and
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and to get your, get your voicebe made known and let it out
there.
And it's because it not onlymakes you feel better, but you
have no idea the impact thatyour art or that your feelings,
your emotions, your, yourexpressions have on other people
.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
That resonates a lot with me, because growing up I
was silenced as a childthroughout my life because of my
stutter.
I was like, oh, no way, youcan't do that.
But oddly enough, I neverstuttered when I sang.
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I never stuttered when I sang.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Isn't that something?
Speaker 1 (25:54):
That's like so crazy.
Like I would stutter when Italk, but I would not stutter at
all when I sang.
But people try to silence meand tell me, oh well, you can't
do this and you can't do that.
It was a lot of you can't, youcan't, you can't, you can't,
until one day I gave myselfpermission to tell myself I
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could.
I gave myself permission to sayyou know what?
Yes, you can, and I did.
And now, because of that, likeI'm doing what, I am loud.
I am a proud LGBTQ member andmy wife and I have been married
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for going on 11 years andwonderful Thank you.
And we are always told that weshouldn't.
It's a certain type of way thatyou have to express your love.
It's a certain type of way thatyou need to like be yourself,
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but not like that.
Right, exactly Be yourself, butjust not just calm down, isn't
that?
Speaker 2 (27:30):
ridiculous.
Isn't that so silly?
It's just so silly.
You know you, you would neveryeah, I don't know any any
examples in life where that sameprinciple would apply.
You know, I think it's.
It's absolutely silly, and Ithink it's, you know it's it's.
People, I think, say that out offear.
You know, there, I think,everything kind of boils down to
love or to fear.
And I think when people havefear their fear of offending
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somebody or their fear ofdisappointing someone then they
say kind of silly crap like that.
And I think that the more thatwe can sort of open the eyes of
people to say you are perfectjust as you are.
Yes, you are perfect just asyou are, yes, and that you don't
want and this is what I'vealways said when it comes to
fighting for either LGBTQ rightsor for Black Lives Matter or
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for anything where people have avoice that want to be heard no
one's asking for superiortreatment.
We're asking for equal treatment.
I'm not asking to be betterthan you.
I don't want more than you.
I just want the same right todo what I want to do as you have
the opportunity to do foryourself.
Equal, not superior, but equal.
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And I think that sometimespeople get afraid of that.
They think.
People think that, oh, becausewe want gay marriage, oh, they
want more.
No, nobody wants more thananybody else.
No one wants to take away whatyou have.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
You want what everybody else exactly has.
Exactly I I want, at the end ofthe day, if something happens
to me, or like I want my wife tobe able to be there and to say,
hey well, this, this is whatshe wants, this this is what she
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needs, like I want my wife tobe able to advocate for me.
Sure, if something happens,like if something happens to our
kids, like I want my wife to beable to advocate for them and I
don't understand why me beingmarried to my wife is so
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problematic.
Like what?
Well, I think I think.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I think for me it's even.
You know, I mean, those are allabsolutely true reasons.
I think for me it's even asmore simple than that.
It's just the fact of feelingyou want, you know your
relationship should, should bevalid and it should be.
It should be viewed as valid inthe same way that any other
union is, and unfortunately it.
It takes a while to getpeople's minds around that, but
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you know it's, but it's, it'sjust, it's just about validating
the fact that, hey, we have aunion and this is special and
this is just as, just as strongand just as healthy and just as
as and this is just as strongand just as healthy and just as
loving as your union.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
And don't take it away from me just because it
doesn't come in the same box asyours comes in.
Yeah, and I mean everybody.
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Artists that's what music doesLike.
Music allows them to beunapologetically them, allows
them to be unapologetically them, like you.
You will see artists that thatis, that are normally very shy,
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but when they get on stage it'slike it's like they were told,
because music does, it's healing.
It is healing and it allows you, just just like you said, it
gives you permission to beexactly who you are.
No holds bar.
I just am who I am.
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Do you know how many people I'vepassed by in vehicles and they
don't know that you're watchingthem?
But I'm at a red light and Idon't know what song they're
listening to, but they are in inthe car like just, are just
singing with their whole heartand I'm looking like like they.
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They are just.
It's a wonderful thing to seehow they are just out there,
just like they are being whothey are.
They don't care who sees, theydon't care who's watching.
I'm just being me.
Just imagine if we can be thisway all the time.
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I know.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
I know it's the truth .
When I had my car, I told you Isold my car.
Now that I live in Brooklyn,having a car here is just a
nightmare.
So I sold my car.
When I had my car, I mean, I'ddrive around, I would just I
would scat sing all the time.
You know, I'd put on like jazzrecordings, I would just scat to
them.
People must've thought look atthis guy having a very intense
conversation.
You know, I mean, now that I'vesold the car, I could do it on
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the subway, but I don't knowthat that would get the same.
That might get some looks.
I probably know if I could dothat on the subway in my morning
commute to places.
But but it's true, you know,when you, when you have that
freedom and you have that, thatability to just be yourself,
it's a wonderful feeling, youknow, and it takes some of us
longer than others to realizethat that's really, really
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important.
You know, I know a lot ofpeople, myself included, that
was a late bloomer in beinghonest with myself about certain
things that I wanted or that Ineeded when it came to just how
I should be treated or what I'mlooking for in relationships or
the sort of relationships andfriendships that I want to
surround myself with, andauthenticity, you know.
I had a con.
I had a conversation with a,with a really good friend of
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mine he's like a brother to meand I.
You know he, he and I had bothgone through some similar
traumatic experiences and whenit was all kind of said and done
, we, we sat at a diner and Isaid I just want to know, um,
are you, are you happy?
Uh, you know, and he, he lookedat me square in the eye and he
said something the mostimpactful life that I was
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changed, really changed my life.
He said, nicholas, I haven'tlied in six years.
And it just, it just hit melike like a ton of bricks, you
know, because the, the um, thecircumstances in both of our
lives at the time were such that, you know, we were very busy
doing a lot of things but notbeing authentically true to who
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we were and what we wanted andour big picture, you know, in
life and how we wanted to docertain things.
You know, and just for that tobe said, that I haven't lied in
six years, it immediately shineda mirror onto myself to go.
I don't think of myself as aliar, but if I'm pretending to
be interested in things that I'mnot interested in or I'm going
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along with things just becauseit's the norm, or it's the way
that it's said that you have todo it, or because it's your
family's tradition, or it's justthe way that things are.
I don't believe in certainthings, I don't stand by those
certain things, but I'mpretending to.
So that does make me a liar,and as soon as I heard him say
I'm the happiest because Ihaven't lied in six years, I
that was just.
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It was explosive and it just ittaught me such a lesson that
our time here on this spinninglittle rock of dust is so
precious and how, howunfortunate it would be to spend
it in a mystery of lying, youknow, or in a cloud, rather, of
not being authentic.
You know, we don't think of itas lying, but when you're not
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being authentic to yourself,you're robbing yourself the
opportunity of living honestly.
And I realized I didn't want todo that anymore, you know, and
it meant some changes and someheavy changes in my life, some
traumatic things that I had todeal with and still trying to
get a grip on and work through.
But I, honestly, I'm thehappiest now that I ever have
been, because I am authenticabout who I am and about what I
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want and about the sort ofrelationships I want to foster
and the sort of qualities that Iwant to have.
It's made me a much betterperson and a happier person, and
I you know my demeanor, myoutlook is is significantly
different.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Jeez, I like that.
I wouldn't.
When you said I, I haven't liedand I'm.
I'm listening to you and I'mthinking to myself I are there
things that that I'm lying about, that Like, like I'm just going
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through through, through themotions, just because, or do I
really like these things, or amI just pretending because it's
the norm or it's what I?
Speaker 2 (36:10):
should do, or it's what expect, it's what's
expected, and I don't, I don'tmean, and I don't, I don't mean
like the little white?
I don't mean like the littlewhite lies, like oh no, honey,
that dress doesn't make yourbutt look big, I don't mean that
sort of stuff whatever.
But but I mean like that youknow to, to try to live up to
the expectations.
You know I was.
I was in a situation that Ifound myself in life where I was
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constantly trying to meetpeople at at a hurt, jump a
hurdle and meet people at anexpectation Every time I jumped
the hurdle, a new one would beset and I and none of the work
that I did was ever appreciated.
So I had to jump this new hurdleand it was just this constant
sort of process and it and itreally brought me to some very
dark places because it felt likeI was never good enough and I
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wasn't good enough, you know,and nothing I was and and can't
you see the sacrifices I'mmaking and the the efforts that
I'm making for, for, for this,and it was never, never enough
and I just got tired of that.
You know, I got tired of ofthat and that's that's, you know
, all around the same time, Ihad to come to that realization
of I have to start makingauthentic decisions for myself
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and I, if it, if it hurts somepeople temporarily because they
can't wrap the brain around it,well, they will eventually.
You know, I'm not hurtinganybody.
I'm not out to hurt people, I'mnot out to to uh, to cause harm
to people.
It's just a different way oflooking at things and if and if
people really want to be in mylife and in my circle, they're
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going to understand it andthey'll respect it.
And if they don't, then theywere never yours to begin with.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Listen, Nicholas is like dropping little nuggets,
little life lessons.
He is dropping nuggets and Ineed y'all to pick them up.
Pick up the nuggets that he isdropping, because he is dropping
knowledge on us today and I'mliving for it.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Well, this is this is what years of this is what you
know five, four or five years oftherapy will do for you.
You know, and and journaling,and, like we were talking about
earlier, journaling, gettingthese thoughts out there and
gaining perspective on life.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
You know, the the the , the more that you keep your
mind and heart open to newperspectives, the happier you'll
be, you know.
Oh, I just, nicholas, I loveyou.
Like you are an amazing person.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Like you, are an amazing human and I love you.
Thank you so much.
I've, I've, we've just met, butgosh, the light and the
positivity and the authenticitythat comes out of you is so
lovable and so beautiful thatI'm so happy to know you.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Oh my gosh, Just like you, it took years to get here,
but I'm here and I ain't goingnowhere, baby.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Okay, no, and we still have a long way to go.
We do.
You know it's a daily thing,it's a daily education thing and
uh, but isn't that wonderful itis, isn't that so great?
I love the fact that you knowwe never fully graduate.
You know, we're always, we'realways taking a new course.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
That's a beautiful thing.
Listen.
Every day I am a differentversion of myself, like I wake
up and it's like I don't knowwho I'm going to be, did I?
Speaker 2 (39:20):
just do a software update in the middle of the
night, what's?
Speaker 1 (39:24):
going on Like I don't know who I'm going to be, but I
know that, whatever it is, I'mgoing to be great at it.
Whatever it is, I'm going towalk in my greatness.
Regardless of what version itis, I'm going to make sure that
it is my favorite version ofmyself and I'm going to be great
and I'm going to have a goodday on purpose.
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That's right, because I deserveit.
So, nick, I kind of told thepeople um, I kind of told them,
like people, that you was goingto give us a little sample.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
A sample.
Oh, I just handed those in tothe doctor.
Oh wait, oh that kind of sample.
Oh, that kind of sample.
What would you like to hear?
What sort of songs do you like?
Anything?
Jazz, great Americansongbookbook, broadway, all that
stuff what, what, whatever ison your heart.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
I, I just, I just had told them that you was gonna
give us like a list.
Oh gosh, and, and and youcannot make me look bad no, no,
I will.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I just, I just don't know what to do.
Is there any?
Is there any song in particularthat that you know?
I told you I'm not a backseatdriver, you're driving the car,
so whatever you want to hear.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
I think one of my favorite jazz songs is my Funny
Valentine.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
You know what's really funny?
I was about 90% sure just nowyou were going to say my funny
Valentine.
I'm not even kidding you.
That's really weird.
Okay, let me see, I'm at mypiano, so let me see, let me put
my little.
Let's see, let me put on thenice sound.
And we get a piano.
Can you hear it?
(41:07):
No, it's a little soft, isn'tit?
Because I'm coming through theheadphones.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
You can take the headphones out.
Yes, yes, Take them out.
We want to hear it all.
We get the concert y'all.
Put them away.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Can you hear me?
Can you hear me?
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Yes, I can hear you Very good.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Now I want to do.
Let me see, I want my little.
Where's my pretty?
Speaker 1 (41:36):
sound.
I'm so excited right now.
No, not that one.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
That one no, I want what's this one no, there we go.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
What key do I do it in?
That's it.
Don't change your hair for me,not.
If you care for me, stay,little valentine.
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Each day is Valentine's.
Each day is Valentine's.
Each day is falling down.
(42:36):
Oops, I dropped my camera.
Damn Damn.
Oh my God.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Was that all right, was it?
I dropped my stand.
I'm just going to hold it.
Was that all right?
Speaker 1 (43:12):
I can't even speak to you right now.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
You are amazing.
Oh, thank you.
Thank you If I could justfigure out how to work this damn
keyboard because it's got somany sounds on it.
But I wanted like that nice,like you know, 80s power ballad
sound on it, you know, like KuboBryce and James Ingram, patty
Austin thing going on.
That's what I wanted.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Beautiful, oh my gosh .
Thank you so much for being inthe passenger seat with me today
.
Can you please?
Speaker 2 (43:47):
It was so nice to meet you and to get to know you,
and I hope we can stay friendsafter this.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Yes, yes, definitely.
Like I would love to hear yousing in person, because, oh,
anytime.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Where do you live?
I forgot.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
I live in Louisiana.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Louisiana.
I'm always traveling, alwaystraveling, Wonderful wonderful,
I do tour quite a bit.
I'm leaving.
Actually in two weeks.
I'll be gone for another monthdoing stuff.
Louisiana is not on the list,but I think the closest I'm
getting to there is maybe whereis the closest I'm getting to
there Las Vegas but that's notvery close to you.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Let me know when, because I might just pop up.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
I would love to see you, I'd love to meet you.
Let's go to dinner.
Yes, that'd be really fun.
I'd love to go to like thedinner.
We'll go out to eat because I'ma, I'm a, I'm italian, I'm a
big foodie, you know.
So please, let me know when youare in vegas, like, yes, I will
march 28th, I'll be there march28th at the composing room.
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Oh my gosh, but I post all thestuff everywhere, so it'll, yes,
please check it out.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
We'd love to see you speaking of your socials.
Can you please let everybodyknow where to find all things?
Nicholas king yes, um.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Well, my website is um official nicholaskingcom, uh,
and it's my instagram is at.
It's nicholas king.
I t s nicholas king, um, andyou can find me on amazon music,
it, itunes, apple Music,spotify, but the only thing to
remember is that my name isNicholas, with no H Because?
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Thank you, mom and dad, because H is an L?
Ew.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Ew, jimmy Fallon.
You know Jimmy Fallon with hisSarah skit.
Sarah, no H because H is an L.
So I'm Nicholas with no Hbecause H is are ill.
No, my mother did it as amistake.
She was under a lot of how dowe say drugs from the medication
from the cesarean section.
I was a stubborn baby and whenthey made her sign the stuff,
she literally signed it byaccident because she was so out
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of it.
Poor thing.
And when she came to and theyrealized she went.
I didn't do that on purpose,but they decided to keep it
because it looks kind of cooland I'm thrilled that they kept
it.
But it does mess me up whenpeople go to look me up online
because they just put the H in.
So make sure, when you look meup, nicholas with no H and I do
have, see how it's spelledN-I-C-O-L-A-S.
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Love it.
N-i-c-o-l-a-s, n-i-c-o-l-a.
Check me out, let's all befriends.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Yes, oh, my gosh, I hope that you guys enjoyed
Nicholas King as much as I didListen.
I need you to know that you areeverything and everything is
you.
I need you to know that musicis medicine.
So go out there and take yourmedicine and give yourself
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permission to let it out so youcan let it go.
Okay, so, as you continue to goout there and be great in their
faith, be fabulous like I knowyou can be, and, as always, you
have a good day.
On 5% you up, you up.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha ha.
Yeah, shine like glitter, let the lightning light
get bigger and in the sky, highlike a winner, big and bright,
like a diamond on a silver, andyou're welcome, hello everybody,
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and we back back back again.
Welcome to, in the PassengerSeat with me, your girl, alethea
Crimmins.
Now, y'all just heard the introsong Shot Like Glitter.
Listen.
Music has been my passion sinceI was a child, but what I
didn't realize is how importantmusic has been in my life
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overall.
Realizes how important musichas been in my life overall.
So a little known fact about meis that I have depression.
I think what it is isfunctional depression, where I
can still go about my day todayand I look happy on the outside,
but inside it's like I wasscreaming, I was crying and I
(01:05):
needed some type of outlet justto let out my emotions, to say
what I really felt inside.
Have y'all been there Like it'slike you?
You just don't know what to say, you don't know how to say it.
It's like you have all theseemotions just built up inside of
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you and you don't know how toget it out.
Music was the thing that savedmy life, literally.
They say that music is magicand I really believe that it is.
Every time I'd be unhappy, Iwill put a song on, listen to my
(01:48):
favorite song, my favorite jam,and I'm just like hey, hey, hey
, and I forget how unhappy I was.
I forget what I was mad about.
Music is therapy and I knowthat y'all know, because if
y'all put on your favorite songright now, right now, right this
minute, then you will forgetabout everything that you were
(02:12):
mad about and you will just bein the moment.
Music is literally like the waragainst unhappiness.
Music is the weapon in the waragainst unhappiness.
Music is the weapon in the waragainst unhappiness.
That is how strongly I feelabout music.
It is a weapon to me.
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It battles my anxiety, itbattles my depression, it
battles my anger issues.
It just takes all that on.
It speaks the words that Icannot say, because there's so
much that I want to say and it'slike I don't know how to put it
(02:52):
into words.
If you listen to Adele, adelemakes beautiful music, but when
she was in a place where she wasdepressed, like she had just
broken up with the one that shewas with, the music that she
made was just amazing, becauseyou're able to really speak
(03:20):
through music, like you're ableto get the words out.
Music is therapy and when Icreate my music nine times out
of 10, I'm going through someshit.
I am going through somethingand I just need to let the shit
out, and that's when I write mybest.
That is when I write my best.
(03:40):
So listen, we all can't sing,like you know.
But I feel like what you can dois, anytime that you feel in
some type of way, write it down,put it into song belt, that
shit out.
I know that y'all are in y'allcars right now listening to this
(04:02):
, and when your song comes on,y'all it don't matter who is
watching.
I need you to sing, scream likenobody is watching and watch
how good you feel, watch howgreat you feel.
Music is literally a lifesaver,and when somebody sings good
(04:24):
and it touches your soul and youfeel their passion, you feel
their emotions, it's like you'reright there with them.
You are right there with themin the moment.
I challenge you to write a song.
Write a song.
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It doesn't have to rhyme, itdoesn't have to rhyme, it
doesn't have to make sense.
Just put out your emotions, letthe music speak.
Just let the music speak foryou.
Have you ever listen?
I don't know about y'all, buthave you ever broken up with
somebody?
And then you hear this song andit reminds you of everything
(05:08):
that you are going through.
And then you send that song tothat person and be like, look,
this is how I be feeling.
Listen, I've done it, do notlie, because I know that y'all
have done it too, but it sayseverything that you cannot say.
Use that as a tool, use that astherapy, use that to get out
(05:34):
the shit that you need to getout, and watch how good you feel
, watch how amazing you feelafter you.
Just let that shit out.
Just sing it as loud and proudas you possibly can.
Honey, you might have a hit onyour hands like you never know.
That's what music does.
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So this person that will be inthe passenger seat with me, baby
, the way this man, they call ita crooner.
The way this they call it acrooner, like Frank Sinatra,
when he sang, he crooned.
It was just this way, like jazz.
Jazz is one of my favoritegenres and it just lifts your
(06:22):
spirit.
And they have this way wheretheir voice is just so.
It's like silk, damn near Like.
Who is it that made that song?
Y'all know what is that song?
See, it's going to come to melater on, but he says I bet you
(06:46):
wonder where I've been, what youwon't do.
Baby him, the way that his voiceis smooth like silk, that is a
crooner.
Okay, so the person that isabout to come on in the
passenger seat right now, baby,his voice is smooth like silk.
He has been singing since hewas four years old.
He grew up around the greats,so how could he not be an
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entertainer when you grew uparound people like Liza Manelli,
carol Burnett, like, what, like?
It just blows my mind, and I amso honored, I am so proud that
he chose to be in my passengerseat and I hope that he can sing
(07:36):
a little ditty.
Maybe I can get him to singsomething I don't know we're
going to see.
Maybe I can ask him, maybe Ican ask him, maybe I can
convince him to sing a littlesomething we're going to see
when he comes.
But, baby, we're going to run alittle clip so you can hear
(07:56):
exactly what I am talking about.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Once I get you up there, where the air is so
rarefied, we are gonna glidestarry-eyed.
Once I get you up there, I'llbe holding you so fully near you
(08:28):
might even hear all of theangels cheer, because we're
together.
Weather-wise.
It's such a lovely day, but ifyou just say the words, we'll
beat those birds down toAcapulco Bay.
Hey, it's perfect for a flyinghoneymoon, I dare to say.
(08:52):
So come on, fly with me, comefly, let's fly, pack up, let's
fly away.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yes, oh, my goodness, did I not tell you?
Did I not tell you, baby, I amso excited to welcome in the
passenger seat the croon thatwill make you swoon.
The man behind the voice, mrNicholas King.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Welcome, Hello Gosh.
I want that introductioneverywhere I go.
Can you just travel with me andjust do that yes.
Just imagine enteringsupermarkets.
Yes, I want that introductioneverywhere.
Hello, hello, hello.
How are you?
Good morning, good morning.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Welcome in the passenger seat.
Thank you very much.
How are you?
I'm Welcome to the passengerseat.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
How are you?
I'm wonderful.
I'm happy to be back home.
I think I told you earlier I'vejust been away.
For about five weeks I've beenon the road working, so to be in
my own apartment and sleep inmy own bed and wake up in my own
bed and water my plants, sayingnothing of that, so I'm very
happy.
And water my plants, sayingnothing of that, so I'm very
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happy.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I'm in a very happy space today because I'm at home
finally.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
So for people that do not know who you are, can you
just give them just a briefrundown of who Nicholas King is?
Yeah, well, I'm an actor singer.
I've been singing and workingand performing since I was four
years old, claiming taxes, as Ilike to say, I did my first tax
return in 1995, when I was fourand a half years old, which
means that this year officiallymarks the 30 years that I'm
officially in show business,which is a really weird thing to
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say out loud.
But that's it, that's the truth.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Jeez, since you are four years old and you have a
very interesting background, canyou tell us just a little bit
about your background, because Iwas blown away.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Well, I started doing television commercials when I
was four.
So what I claim my taxes for?
I did a Dr Pepper commercialwhen I was four.
So what I claim my taxes for it?
I did a dr pepper commercial,yeah, when I was four and a half
, and that sort of led to medoing a couple dozen uh tv
commercials in the in the early,uh, mid, I'm sorry, mid to late
90s.
So if you ever saw that littlebrunette kid uh on tv pushing
products, that little annoyingbrunette kid, most likely it was
(11:25):
, it was me or somebody close toit.
So I did that for for quite awhile.
And then I remember I saw aBroadway show, I saw the sound
of music when I was about seven,because a friend of mine was
playing one of the Von Trappkids, and I remember thinking
that I can do, I want to do thatbecause you know I was only
used to, you know, the setno-transcript.
(11:54):
And subsequently, three hourslater, I got the job in Disney's
Beauty and the Beast onBroadway, oh, and I got to play
Chip the Teacup, which was justa joy.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
And I love Broadway.
The teacup, which was uh, wasjust a joy.
And I, I love broadway.
The sound of music has to beone of my all-time favorite
movies, one of my favoritebroadway.
Like I am a music and broadwayand Broadway Junkie, like I love
the sound of music.
(12:31):
King and I, guys and Dolls,oklahoma Like I'm just like, ah,
like it's all just so great.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
I think what did it for me was, you know, I'd seen
Broadway shows before because myfamily exposed me to a lot of,
you know, a lot of theater and alot of things before, but it
was the first time I rememberseeing kids up on a stage and
there were seven of them, youknow and then I went backstage
and saw sort of how they, howthey were.
They were a big family, youknow.
They were friends with themusicians and the crew and the
stagehands and and the and theadult actors and I just remember
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thinking what a beautifulfamily that they have backstage.
And, gosh, I would love to dothat and, you know, luckily I
didn't have to wait that long.
You know, I think I saw that inthe fall of 99.
And by you know, winter of2000,.
I got the part in Beauty.
So it was my dream came truevery, very rapidly and I did
that quite a while.
(13:24):
Actually, they just told methis.
Actually, during COVID, I washaving a conversation with my
former company manager and hetold me he goes.
Well, you did.
You.
Do you realize you're thelongest running chip in Broadway
history?
I said no, when would you havetold?
Had I known that that wouldhave been on my resume for years
.
You know longest, so that wasso.
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That's kind of cool.
You know to to to think that Idid that for the longest, so
that was so.
That's kind of cool.
You know to to to think that Idid that for the longest.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
But it was.
It was just a dream to to bewrapped up in in that community
and with a met.
Like several amazing peoplethat I am just like, like I
would.
I would literally pass out.
I would literally pass out.
Can you tell us about who yourmentor is?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
like I can't, like she is she is everything she,
she kind of is, and she's one ofthe most intelligent, um and
passionate and just um, allaround generous people I've I've
ever met, and that's miss lizamanelli.
Uh, we crossed paths when I wasvery little and, um, when I was
about 11 or so, she, she, she,you know, because she'd heard me
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sing and she'd seen me onbroadway and you know, we, we
knew each other.
My grandmother was her vocalcoach for a very long time
really.
So, early on into that sort ofpartnership, I was spending a
lot more time at liza's houseand you know, we'd sing around
the piano and all this stuff and, yeah, very hollywood, you know
, just hanging around the pianoand singing and stuff.
And one day she, she called myhouse, where I was with my
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parents in Rhode Island, around1030 at night and I picked up
the phone for some reason andshe went hey, baby, it's me.
Listen, I'm going on the roadand I need someone to do 20
minutes.
You think you can do 20 minutesfor me.
I need an opening act and I was11.
So I didn't know what in theworld she was talking about, but
I said, I said yes, of courseyou don't.
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You don't say no when LizaMinnelli asks you to do
something at all.
And so no.
So I was her on again, off again, opening act for about 12 years
.
You know, on and off and goshdid we, did we have a ball?
And then she I was.
I just finished a Broadway showcalled Hollywood Arms.
It was directed by Hal Princeand it was written by Carol
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Burnett.
And we had just finished theshow and there was a slew of
projects that weren't happeningand I was just kind of depressed
.
I wasn't getting any auditionsand nothing was taking steam and
full midlife crisis at 12,really just full on.
I'm never going to work againso dramatic, so dramatic.
And I was over the house one dayand she said well, you know
what's, what's the matter.
(16:11):
I said, well, you know, I'm notreally not working and I'm.
You know, there's projects Iwant to do that I'm not doing
and I love it.
And she just said had her withher cigarette.
You know, she was, withoutbatting an eyelash, thought
again, I don't know what you'retalking about.
(16:32):
So so we sat together at the endof her bed for about I don't
know three, four hours with apad and a pen and she wrote down
for me and we, we workedtogether, we, we, we created a
cabaret act, a nightclub act.
You know, from start to finish.
You know song selection andkeys and, and you know selection
and keys and, and you knowpatter and character development
and intent and arc of a showand all this, all this stuff
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that goes into building a show.
And she basically directedevery nightclub act.
I did from the time I was 12till the time I was in my early
20s, you know.
So I, I, the, the education youknow, aside from the friendship,
aside from from the friendshipthat I that I have with her and
still have to this day, um, uh,just the, the education that I
received from her about how toapproach your craft has been
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really incredible.
You know, everyone thinks aboutliza, they think sequins and
jazz hands, but she is so much,she's so far beyond that.
I mean, her brain is truly onethat is, um, unparalleled to any
I've ever really worked with.
I mean she thinks about everydetail, every single movement
and every choice on stage hasintent and has purpose, and the
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things that I've learned fromher in that has just been, you
know, just extra.
You can't pay for that sort ofeducation that is amazing,
earlier, I was telling people.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Amazing, earlier, I was telling people because I
have what is now that I know ithas a name functional depression
, and music has helped me somuch like I didn't realize how
powerful music was.
I didn't realize that music isactually very therapeutic.
When you think like you couldbe having the worst day ever and
you can put this song on and itlifts your mood, it feeds your
soul, it makes you forget abouteverything negative that's
happened in your life.
How has music impacted you, orhas it impacted you in that way?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah, well, I think, like yourself, I've gone through
ups and downs.
I think, like all of us, we'veall gone through ups and downs
and some downs are pretty down.
You know, and sometimes youknow you don't see the light at
the end of the tunnel and youand you wonder, is you know what
?
What am I going to do?
You know, am I going to pullthrough?
And I found a lot of comfort inlyrics, you know, in songs that
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that can say things in a waythat I maybe can't put words to.
You know, or feelings that Idon't really quite know how to
tap into.
You know, I look at lyricistslike Alan and Marilyn Bergman,
or writers like Stephen Sondheim, or people that have this way
of getting into the feelingsbetween the feelings, you know,
because anyone can sing aboutbeing happy or sad, fine, that's
one thing.
But to get into like the marrowof it all and give yourself
permission to say things andfeel things that maybe you feel
too ashamed to say out loud.
And I've been able to findsongs that have given me
permission to do that by way ofsinging them, and when I sing
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them it makes me more, you know,connected.
But to get you know, just totouch on what you're saying
about how music affects you.
I mean it's a science.
I mean it sounds sometimes alittle woo-woo but it's not
really woo-woo, it's actually afull-on science behind the power
that music has.
You know, I'm a friend of mineonce explained to me what
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happens in certain songs whenyou, when you have two strings,
or if you play two song, twonotes on a piano or two high
violins or something you knowhigh up in the in the register,
when you, when you have twonotes playing at the same time,
at the right frequency, with thesame pitch or the same sort of
intonation, it creates, the mindhears a third note that doesn't
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actually exist.
And there's a science and I'mnot a scientist, so I'll get all
the words wrong but in layman'sterms, it creates a third or
sometimes fourth or fifth notethat's not actually being played
but because of the harmony ofthose two notes, the frequencies
join together within what wecan hear and create other notes
(20:38):
that aren't actually there, butthey're tangible, they're there,
you can hear them, you can feelthem, and to me it's such a
lesson yeah, it's such a lesson,not only in science and the
power that music has to createthings that aren't there.
But to me, it also gives me theoutlook on the power that we
have as musicians, as artists,when we are creating something
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to be able to make people feelsomething that they may not be
able to see tangibly, but thatthey can feel, something that
they may not be able to seetangibly but that they can feel.
You know, and what a gift thatwe have, and we have such a gift
to be able to do this forpeople and for ourselves.
You know that we can createthese third and fourth overtones
you know that aren't beingplayed, and we can actually
influence people and help peoplefeel something in a way that
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they wouldn't be able to feelotherwise.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
That is exactly what music does for me, and it it, it
makes you, it brings outemotions that you didn't really
know that you had, because it'slike some, some, some songs.
Like I can be listening to asong and a love song and it just
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brings out these emotions ofhow grateful I am that I have
somebody who loves me and that Ican relate.
And then all of a sudden I'mjust in tears, Like, oh, this is
the best song ever.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I get the same way I get the same way.
I get the same way, andsometimes I get weepy, not
because of any one or anythingin particular.
I just get weepy because Iappreciate the beauty of a song.
Yes, you know there's somerecordings on it that you know
the song doesn't really meanvery much to me or the singer is
, you know, not necessarilyimpacting me, but just the sheer
beauty of the arrangement orthe strings or the, or the lyric
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just makes me so grateful forthis art form.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
And I'm such a sap.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Sometimes I just sit there and I'm such a baby.
I'll be on the subway, you know, I'll be on the A train, just
full, burt, lars, the cowardlyline, you know just full on.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
And I love how you said and I said this earlier
because I do the same thing Iuse song writing as somewhat of
a journal.
For because, just like you said, when you write music it gives
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you permission to say thingsthat you might not feel
comfortable saying out loud, youmay not feel comfortable
expressing that to somebody else, but when you give yourself
permission to actually let thesewords out of your head, just
(23:27):
write it down.
Let these words out of yourhead, out of your mind, just
write it down, and it doesn'thave to rhyme, it doesn't have
to make sense, but it's just yougiving yourself permission to
let it out.
Because I say this time andtime again, you have to let it
out, to let it go Absolutely.
And music, songwriting is abeautiful outlet to do exactly
(23:55):
that.
Let it out, so that you can letit go, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
There's a lot of push towards highlighting the things
that separate us and silencingvoices that want to be heard or
just want fair treatment, andthere's a lot of push towards
that and I think people getscared, you know, and we get
scared to do it, and we get inour own head and go, we make
ourselves small, you know, and Ithink that that's really kind
(24:26):
of running rampant these daysand I challenge anybody to defy
that.
You know, it's a very importantgift that we have of the
ability to express ourselves,you know, and whether it's in
songwriting, whether it's inpoetry, you know I'm not a good
writer.
It's never been a skill setthat I know, oh yeah, I'm just,
I'm not.
I'm not, it's not my skill set,but I think what my skillset is
(24:50):
interpreting other people'swritings.
So taking someone else's songand someone else's feelings and
interpreting them through mypoint of view, you know, and
singing a song from mystandpoint, and hopefully maybe
that can reach somebody, youknow.
But so that's my way of doingit.
But whatever is your strength,whether it's interpreting lyrics
or songs or poetry, or it'swriting it and creating it, I
just encourage everybody to getin the trenches and do it and
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and to get your, get your voicebe made known and let it out
there.
And it's because it not onlymakes you feel better, but you
have no idea the impact thatyour art or that your feelings,
your emotions, your, yourexpressions have on other people
.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
That resonates a lot with me, because growing up I
was silenced as a childthroughout my life because of my
stutter.
I was like, oh, no way, youcan't do that.
But oddly enough, I neverstuttered when I sang.
(25:49):
I never stuttered when I sang.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Isn't that something?
Speaker 1 (25:54):
That's like so crazy.
Like I would stutter when Italk, but I would not stutter at
all when I sang.
But people try to silence meand tell me, oh well, you can't
do this and you can't do that.
It was a lot of you can't, youcan't, you can't, you can't,
until one day I gave myselfpermission to tell myself I
(26:17):
could.
I gave myself permission to sayyou know what?
Yes, you can, and I did.
And now, because of that, likeI'm doing what, I am loud.
I am a proud LGBTQ member andmy wife and I have been married
(26:59):
for going on 11 years andwonderful Thank you.
And we are always told that weshouldn't.
It's a certain type of way thatyou have to express your love.
It's a certain type of way thatyou need to like be yourself,
(27:21):
but not like that.
Right, exactly Be yourself, butjust not just calm down, isn't
that?
Speaker 2 (27:30):
ridiculous.
Isn't that so silly?
It's just so silly.
You know you, you would neveryeah, I don't know any any
examples in life where that sameprinciple would apply.
You know, I think it's.
It's absolutely silly, and Ithink it's, you know it's it's.
People, I think, say that out offear.
You know, there, I think,everything kind of boils down to
love or to fear.
And I think when people havefear their fear of offending
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somebody or their fear ofdisappointing someone then they
say kind of silly crap like that.
And I think that the more thatwe can sort of open the eyes of
people to say you are perfectjust as you are.
Yes, you are perfect just asyou are, yes, and that you don't
want and this is what I'vealways said when it comes to
fighting for either LGBTQ rightsor for Black Lives Matter or
(28:15):
for anything where people have avoice that want to be heard no
one's asking for superiortreatment.
We're asking for equal treatment.
I'm not asking to be betterthan you.
I don't want more than you.
I just want the same right todo what I want to do as you have
the opportunity to do foryourself.
Equal, not superior, but equal.
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And I think that sometimespeople get afraid of that.
They think.
People think that, oh, becausewe want gay marriage, oh, they
want more.
No, nobody wants more thananybody else.
No one wants to take away whatyou have.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
You want what everybody else exactly has.
Exactly I I want, at the end ofthe day, if something happens
to me, or like I want my wife tobe able to be there and to say,
hey well, this, this is whatshe wants, this this is what she
(29:09):
needs, like I want my wife tobe able to advocate for me.
Sure, if something happens,like if something happens to our
kids, like I want my wife to beable to advocate for them and I
don't understand why me beingmarried to my wife is so
(29:34):
problematic.
Like what?
Well, I think I think.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I think for me it's even.
You know, I mean, those are allabsolutely true reasons.
I think for me it's even asmore simple than that.
It's just the fact of feelingyou want, you know your
relationship should, should bevalid and it should be.
It should be viewed as valid inthe same way that any other
union is, and unfortunately it.
It takes a while to getpeople's minds around that, but
(30:01):
you know it's, but it's, it'sjust, it's just about validating
the fact that, hey, we have aunion and this is special and
this is just as, just as strongand just as healthy and just as
as and this is just as strongand just as healthy and just as
loving as your union.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
And don't take it away from me just because it
doesn't come in the same box asyours comes in.
Yeah, and I mean everybody.
(30:41):
Artists that's what music doesLike.
Music allows them to beunapologetically them, allows
them to be unapologetically them, like you.
You will see artists that thatis, that are normally very shy,
(31:02):
but when they get on stage it'slike it's like they were told,
because music does, it's healing.
It is healing and it allows you, just just like you said, it
gives you permission to beexactly who you are.
No holds bar.
I just am who I am.
(31:24):
Do you know how many people I'vepassed by in vehicles and they
don't know that you're watchingthem?
But I'm at a red light and Idon't know what song they're
listening to, but they are in inthe car like just, are just
singing with their whole heartand I'm looking like like they.
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They are just.
It's a wonderful thing to seehow they are just out there,
just like they are being whothey are.
They don't care who sees, theydon't care who's watching.
I'm just being me.
Just imagine if we can be thisway all the time.
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I know.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
I know it's the truth .
When I had my car, I told you Isold my car.
Now that I live in Brooklyn,having a car here is just a
nightmare.
So I sold my car.
When I had my car, I mean, I'ddrive around, I would just I
would scat sing all the time.
You know, I'd put on like jazzrecordings, I would just scat to
them.
People must've thought look atthis guy having a very intense
conversation.
You know, I mean, now that I'vesold the car, I could do it on
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the subway, but I don't knowthat that would get the same.
That might get some looks.
I probably know if I could dothat on the subway in my morning
commute to places.
But but it's true, you know,when you, when you have that
freedom and you have that, thatability to just be yourself,
it's a wonderful feeling, youknow, and it takes some of us
longer than others to realizethat that's really, really
(32:55):
important.
You know, I know a lot ofpeople, myself included, that
was a late bloomer in beinghonest with myself about certain
things that I wanted or that Ineeded when it came to just how
I should be treated or what I'mlooking for in relationships or
the sort of relationships andfriendships that I want to
surround myself with, andauthenticity, you know.
I had a con.
I had a conversation with a,with a really good friend of
(33:15):
mine he's like a brother to meand I.
You know he, he and I had bothgone through some similar
traumatic experiences and whenit was all kind of said and done
, we, we sat at a diner and Isaid I just want to know, um,
are you, are you happy?
Uh, you know, and he, he lookedat me square in the eye and he
said something the mostimpactful life that I was
(33:35):
changed, really changed my life.
He said, nicholas, I haven'tlied in six years.
And it just, it just hit melike like a ton of bricks, you
know, because the, the um, thecircumstances in both of our
lives at the time were such that, you know, we were very busy
doing a lot of things but notbeing authentically true to who
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we were and what we wanted andour big picture, you know, in
life and how we wanted to docertain things.
You know, and just for that tobe said, that I haven't lied in
six years, it immediately shineda mirror onto myself to go.
I don't think of myself as aliar, but if I'm pretending to
be interested in things that I'mnot interested in or I'm going
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along with things just becauseit's the norm, or it's the way
that it's said that you have todo it, or because it's your
family's tradition, or it's justthe way that things are.
I don't believe in certainthings, I don't stand by those
certain things, but I'mpretending to.
So that does make me a liar,and as soon as I heard him say
I'm the happiest because Ihaven't lied in six years, I
that was just.
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It was explosive and it just ittaught me such a lesson that
our time here on this spinninglittle rock of dust is so
precious and how, howunfortunate it would be to spend
it in a mystery of lying, youknow, or in a cloud, rather, of
not being authentic.
You know, we don't think of itas lying, but when you're not
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being authentic to yourself,you're robbing yourself the
opportunity of living honestly.
And I realized I didn't want todo that anymore, you know, and
it meant some changes and someheavy changes in my life, some
traumatic things that I had todeal with and still trying to
get a grip on and work through.
But I, honestly, I'm thehappiest now that I ever have
been, because I am authenticabout who I am and about what I
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want and about the sort ofrelationships I want to foster
and the sort of qualities that Iwant to have.
It's made me a much betterperson and a happier person, and
I you know my demeanor, myoutlook is is significantly
different.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Jeez, I like that.
I wouldn't.
When you said I, I haven't liedand I'm.
I'm listening to you and I'mthinking to myself I are there
things that that I'm lying about, that Like, like I'm just going
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through through, through themotions, just because, or do I
really like these things, or amI just pretending because it's
the norm or it's what I?
Speaker 2 (36:10):
should do, or it's what expect, it's what's
expected, and I don't, I don'tmean, and I don't, I don't mean
like the little white?
I don't mean like the littlewhite lies, like oh no, honey,
that dress doesn't make yourbutt look big, I don't mean that
sort of stuff whatever.
But but I mean like that youknow to, to try to live up to
the expectations.
You know I was.
I was in a situation that Ifound myself in life where I was
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constantly trying to meetpeople at at a hurt, jump a
hurdle and meet people at anexpectation Every time I jumped
the hurdle, a new one would beset and I and none of the work
that I did was ever appreciated.
So I had to jump this new hurdleand it was just this constant
sort of process and it and itreally brought me to some very
dark places because it felt likeI was never good enough and I
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wasn't good enough, you know,and nothing I was and and can't
you see the sacrifices I'mmaking and the the efforts that
I'm making for, for, for this,and it was never, never enough
and I just got tired of that.
You know, I got tired of ofthat and that's that's, you know
, all around the same time, Ihad to come to that realization
of I have to start makingauthentic decisions for myself
(37:13):
and I, if it, if it hurts somepeople temporarily because they
can't wrap the brain around it,well, they will eventually.
You know, I'm not hurtinganybody.
I'm not out to hurt people, I'mnot out to to uh, to cause harm
to people.
It's just a different way oflooking at things and if and if
people really want to be in mylife and in my circle, they're
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going to understand it andthey'll respect it.
And if they don't, then theywere never yours to begin with.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Listen, Nicholas is like dropping little nuggets,
little life lessons.
He is dropping nuggets and Ineed y'all to pick them up.
Pick up the nuggets that he isdropping, because he is dropping
knowledge on us today and I'mliving for it.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Well, this is this is what years of this is what you
know five, four or five years oftherapy will do for you.
You know, and and journaling,and, like we were talking about
earlier, journaling, gettingthese thoughts out there and
gaining perspective on life.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
You know, the the the , the more that you keep your
mind and heart open to newperspectives, the happier you'll
be, you know.
Oh, I just, nicholas, I loveyou.
Like you are an amazing person.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Like you, are an amazing human and I love you.
Thank you so much.
I've, I've, we've just met, butgosh, the light and the
positivity and the authenticitythat comes out of you is so
lovable and so beautiful thatI'm so happy to know you.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Oh my gosh, Just like you, it took years to get here,
but I'm here and I ain't goingnowhere, baby.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Okay, no, and we still have a long way to go.
We do.
You know it's a daily thing,it's a daily education thing and
uh, but isn't that wonderful itis, isn't that so great?
I love the fact that you knowwe never fully graduate.
You know, we're always, we'realways taking a new course.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
That's a beautiful thing.
Listen.
Every day I am a differentversion of myself, like I wake
up and it's like I don't knowwho I'm going to be, did I?
Speaker 2 (39:20):
just do a software update in the middle of the
night, what's?
Speaker 1 (39:24):
going on Like I don't know who I'm going to be, but I
know that, whatever it is, I'mgoing to be great at it.
Whatever it is, I'm going towalk in my greatness.
Regardless of what version itis, I'm going to make sure that
it is my favorite version ofmyself and I'm going to be great
and I'm going to have a goodday on purpose.
(39:51):
That's right, because I deserveit.
So, nick, I kind of told thepeople um, I kind of told them,
like people, that you was goingto give us a little sample.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
A sample.
Oh, I just handed those in tothe doctor.
Oh wait, oh that kind of sample.
Oh, that kind of sample.
What would you like to hear?
What sort of songs do you like?
Anything?
Jazz, great Americansongbookbook, broadway, all that
stuff what, what, whatever ison your heart.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
I, I just, I just had told them that you was gonna
give us like a list.
Oh gosh, and, and and youcannot make me look bad no, no,
I will.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I just, I just don't know what to do.
Is there any?
Is there any song in particularthat that you know?
I told you I'm not a backseatdriver, you're driving the car,
so whatever you want to hear.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
I think one of my favorite jazz songs is my Funny
Valentine.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
You know what's really funny?
I was about 90% sure just nowyou were going to say my funny
Valentine.
I'm not even kidding you.
That's really weird.
Okay, let me see, I'm at mypiano, so let me see, let me put
my little.
Let's see, let me put on thenice sound.
And we get a piano.
Can you hear it?
(41:07):
No, it's a little soft, isn'tit?
Because I'm coming through theheadphones.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
You can take the headphones out.
Yes, yes, Take them out.
We want to hear it all.
We get the concert y'all.
Put them away.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Can you hear me?
Can you hear me?
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Yes, I can hear you Very good.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Now I want to do.
Let me see, I want my little.
Where's my pretty?
Speaker 1 (41:36):
sound.
I'm so excited right now.
No, not that one.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
That one no, I want what's this one no, there we go.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
What key do I do it in?
That's it.
Don't change your hair for me,not.
If you care for me, stay,little valentine.
(42:09):
Each day is Valentine's.
Each day is Valentine's.
Each day is falling down.
(42:36):
Oops, I dropped my camera.
Damn Damn.
Oh my God.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Was that all right, was it?
I dropped my stand.
I'm just going to hold it.
Was that all right?
Speaker 1 (43:12):
I can't even speak to you right now.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
You are amazing.
Oh, thank you.
Thank you If I could justfigure out how to work this damn
keyboard because it's got somany sounds on it.
But I wanted like that nice,like you know, 80s power ballad
sound on it, you know, like KuboBryce and James Ingram, patty
Austin thing going on.
That's what I wanted.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Beautiful, oh my gosh .
Thank you so much for being inthe passenger seat with me today
.
Can you please?
Speaker 2 (43:47):
It was so nice to meet you and to get to know you,
and I hope we can stay friendsafter this.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Yes, yes, definitely.
Like I would love to hear yousing in person, because, oh,
anytime.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Where do you live?
I forgot.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
I live in Louisiana.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Louisiana.
I'm always traveling, alwaystraveling, Wonderful wonderful,
I do tour quite a bit.
I'm leaving.
Actually in two weeks.
I'll be gone for another monthdoing stuff.
Louisiana is not on the list,but I think the closest I'm
getting to there is maybe whereis the closest I'm getting to
there Las Vegas but that's notvery close to you.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Let me know when, because I might just pop up.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
I would love to see you, I'd love to meet you.
Let's go to dinner.
Yes, that'd be really fun.
I'd love to go to like thedinner.
We'll go out to eat because I'ma, I'm a, I'm italian, I'm a
big foodie, you know.
So please, let me know when youare in vegas, like, yes, I will
march 28th, I'll be there march28th at the composing room.
(44:48):
Oh my gosh, but I post all thestuff everywhere, so it'll, yes,
please check it out.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
We'd love to see you speaking of your socials.
Can you please let everybodyknow where to find all things?
Nicholas king yes, um.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Well, my website is um official nicholaskingcom, uh,
and it's my instagram is at.
It's nicholas king.
I t s nicholas king, um, andyou can find me on amazon music,
it, itunes, apple Music,spotify, but the only thing to
remember is that my name isNicholas, with no H Because?
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Thank you, mom and dad, because H is an L?
Ew.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Ew, jimmy Fallon.
You know Jimmy Fallon with hisSarah skit.
Sarah, no H because H is an L.
So I'm Nicholas with no Hbecause H is are ill.
No, my mother did it as amistake.
She was under a lot of how dowe say drugs from the medication
from the cesarean section.
I was a stubborn baby and whenthey made her sign the stuff,
she literally signed it byaccident because she was so out
(45:44):
of it.
Poor thing.
And when she came to and theyrealized she went.
I didn't do that on purpose,but they decided to keep it
because it looks kind of cooland I'm thrilled that they kept
it.
But it does mess me up whenpeople go to look me up online
because they just put the H in.
So make sure, when you look meup, nicholas with no H and I do
have, see how it's spelledN-I-C-O-L-A-S.
(46:04):
Love it.
N-i-c-o-l-a-s, n-i-c-o-l-a.
Check me out, let's all befriends.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Yes, oh, my gosh, I hope that you guys enjoyed
Nicholas King as much as I didListen.
I need you to know that you areeverything and everything is
you.
I need you to know that musicis medicine.
So go out there and take yourmedicine and give yourself
(46:33):
permission to let it out so youcan let it go.
Okay, so, as you continue to goout there and be great in their
faith, be fabulous like I knowyou can be, and, as always, you
have a good day.
On 5% you up, you up.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha ha.
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