When worlds collide, magic happens. In this captivating episode, boxing legend Billy Moore welcomes professional wrestling icon Alan "Zeus" Dwyer for a conversation that bridges two combat sports dynasties and reveals their unexpected shared history.
Zeus unveils the remarkable connection between his father and Billy's father—the legendary Archie Moore—who discovered Zeus's dad boxing at street fights in downtown San Diego. Their friendship lasted decades, with Zeus's father preparing Archie's steaks exactly "two and three-quarter inches thick, not two and three-eighths." These personal touches humanize the sports legends behind the public personas.
The conversation takes thrilling turns as Zeus recounts his journey into professional wrestling, from being mentored by his high school coach (known professionally as "Dr. Death") to his unforgettable debut tag-teaming with Andre the Giant. Wrestling fans will appreciate Zeus's insider perspectives on industry giants like Hulk Hogan, who "turned the business around," and Ric Flair, "one of the greatest technicians ever." His humorous anecdotes—like searching for four midget wrestlers at a bar only to find them sitting on phone books—capture wrestling's colorful character.
Beyond nostalgic entertainment, this episode reveals how these combat sports veterans are channeling their passion into youth development through Any Body Can Youth Foundation. They share touching success stories, including how their program helped Brian Broomberg, a La Jolla teenager, graduate high school. As an eight-year-old participant named Braylon declared: "We're going to make San Diego better and then we're going to work and make the world better."
Join us for this unique crossover that proves champions are defined not just by achievements in the ring, but by how they champion others in life. Whether you're a boxing fan, wrestling enthusiast, or simply interested in community impact, this episode delivers powerful insights from those who've lived extraordinary lives.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to In the Ring with Billy Moore.
This is a very special andunique show that's done
especially for you and we hopethat you enjoy it.
Alan Dwyer A lot of peoplewould know him as Zeus Zeus,
(00:31):
Outstanding and championshipcaliber wrestler.
Good morning, Zeus.
Good morning, Billy how are youdoing this morning?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I'm doing great.
I hope everybody else is tooyeah but I think we're going to.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
If they're not feeling great, we're going to
give them something to.
I think we can talk aboutsomething that will make them
feel good, make them feel great.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
One way or the other, they're going to be great by
the time we get done with them.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
So it's all right and it's very interesting doing a
show with a wrestler opposed toanother boxer.
You were born in San Diego.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I was born and raised in North Park and my father he
was born and raised down inPresidio Park and where he was
born and raised they used tohave on Friday nights.
On the corner there was a lightand the kids would box down
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there and all the ethnic ownersof the restaurants around
downtown San Diego would comedown there and watch the kids
fight and they'd throw nickels,dimes and everything else and
the kids would make some extramoney.
Well, that's how my dad wasdiscovered by Billy's father,
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archie.
He had one of his scouts downthere one night and my dad was
in the ring and he had a prettygood night.
He was four for four and all ofa sudden Archie had an
interview with my dad and my dadwas very young at the time and
ended up being a professionalboxer under Archie's tutorage
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and after my dad retired.
My dad was a butcher for 50years and my father and Archie
were the best of friends, and mydad, on Saturdays, would go
around the city at differentmeat markets and he would rent
the meat market out on aSaturday.
So most of the people in thosedays had owned the little meat
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markets on the corners.
They had families, but theynever had a Saturday Sunday out.
It was always a Sunday.
So my dad would come in whenArchie was in town.
Town he'd call my father and heand my dad's nickname was Irish
.
He'd go Irish.
You know what I need and andArchie's, archie's favorite
steak was was the top sirloin'stwo and three quarter inches and
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not two and three, not two andthree quarter.
Two and three quarter, not twoand three eighths, not two and
three eighths, not two and notthree.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
It's two and three quarters, that was it.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
So that's how I learned how to cut his steaks.
So I just moved back here fromChicago a couple years ago.
After 40 years in Chicago, Iwrestled there professionally
and then promoted for about 15and then retired back there.
My late wife passed away there.
I came back here and Irekindled my relationship with a
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girlfriend that I knew in the70s.
And now we are married, happilymarried.
And then, through my travels inthe last, say, six months, I
knew about Billy Moore, but I'venever met Billy.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Right right.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
And through a friend of ours, ron Cota.
He mentioned the fact that hewas doing something with Billy,
and so subsequently we gottogether not too long ago and
now we're sitting here in thegym and possibly it looks like
I'm coming out of retirement totry to help this organization
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and get things cooking so herewe are.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Are you coming out of retirement to do that, or are
you coming out of retirement towrestle?
I'm coming to help you, not towrestle hey, zeus, tell our
listeners a story about you yourdad and my dad, I think, when
you were a little gangster.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
I was a problem child for a short time in my life
problem child for a short timein my life.
I grew up with 3076 Thorn Streetand I made a mistake one day
and my dad was a very easy goingguy.
But he said, al, you overdid itand he goes, you're going to
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pay for it.
And I went, uh, oh Well.
Subsequently he called Archieand and we're outside.
We're outside and all of asudden I see Archie pull up in
his, in his Brand new car, and Iknew it was Archie's car and I
went oh no.
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And subsequently the trunkopened, archie got two pair of
boxing gloves out of it.
He says put them on.
And Archie said you know whatI'm here for?
And I tried to do the old cryfake.
And he goes that ain't working.
And he says I go, yes, sir.
Archie said look up.
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I looked up and one smack inthe stomach and that was it.
And I never did that again andthat was the best lesson I ever
learned in my life.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
That got you going on the straight and narrow.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I was like a rattlesnake and then I got
straight and quick.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
How did you get into wrestling?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
I got into wrestling, I went to Hoover High School
and I had the honor of having mywrestling coach's name was Don
Arnold.
He was the first man to benchpress 400 pounds in the city of
San Diego at Leo Stern's gym.
And Mr Arnold God bless him hewas a mentor to me and he just
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was a great guy.
And my father when he took hetook me to 15th and e street.
That's where.
That's where he used to box, mrmore used to box everybody.
Well, that's where they hadwrestling and and Danny Millsap
was a promoter and my fatherjust took me to my first
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wrestling match and I told mydad and I said I think one day
I'd like to do this.
He goes, you don't want to box,I go.
Well, I'll learn how to box,but I want to do this.
And this is when I was veryyoung I was maybe 11, 12 years
old, something like that.
And this is when I was veryyoung, I was maybe 11, 12 years
old, something like that.
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Well, I'm at Hoover, it'sfootball time, it's towards the
end of the season, teen didn'tdo too well and we had kind of a
rough practice one day.
And I look up and I knew whoCoach Arnold was but I did not
ever meet the gentleman untilthen.
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And he goes.
I would like to talk to you andI go yes, sir, he goes.
I'll make a proposition.
He goes I understand you mightwant to learn how to the ropes
as far as being a professionalwrestler.
And I looked at him and I said,yes, but can you help me?
He goes have you ever heard ofthe wrestler Dr Death out of
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Indiana?
And I go.
Yeah, he goes.
That's me.
I go.
Huh, well, he was.
And he goes.
I'll make you a deal.
You wrestle for me my juniorsenior year, one hour a week
after practice, you and me inhere.
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He says by the time you graduateyour senior year, you'll know
everything you're going to haveto know and if it ever comes
down to a point where you wantto get into wrestling, you're
going to be able to get in therejust like you've been in there
forever.
I said you got a deal, so Iwrestled for him on the Hoover
High Wrestling Team and hetaught me the ropes as far as
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like learning the business, andthen I owned a bar called the
Beachcomber in the early 70s toearly 80s.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
You owned the Beachcomber?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yes, oh yeah, and that's when everything was
really going good.
The Chargers hockey was big inSan Diego, everything was really
cooking and Tuesday nights werea slow night in the bar.
Well, that's when wrestling wasdown at Bill Miller's Coliseum.
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So this is where I got theharebrained idea I'd go down and
talk to Mr Millsap, and CoachArnold talked to Danny, and
Danny gets a hold of these twowrestlers.
At the time they were calledthe Hollywood Blondes, jerry.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Brown and Buddy Roberts the Hollywood Blondes.
Jerry Brown and Buddy Robertsthe Hollywood Blondes.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
And they were two characters, really characters,
but they were great wrestlers.
Well, they gave me a workoutprior to the show that night and
they both said he's in, andthat's how I ended up getting
into the business, he's in, andthat's how I ended up getting in
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the end of the business.
And then, and then, uh, I didit just to get business going on
Tuesday night.
Well, it ended up being alittle bit more than that,
because then, all of a sudden, Iwas wrestling quite a bit and
then, uh, just not too longafter I'd started, Danny Danny
calls me up and he goes.
Well, Leo Garibaldi he was apromoter out of Los Angeles and
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Lee Neaton God bless that familythey were promoters for the
state of California for boxingand wrestling and he goes.
I heard good things about youand I'm going to have you as
Andre the Giant's tag teampartner here in San Diego.
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And I said what?
Because I mean I was still arookie.
He goes, but you'll be allright.
Well, the funny part about thisis you're not going to say no
when they say that.
So I said okay.
Well, we didn't know that thetag team partners were both
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Germans.
They were both about 6'6",about 280 each.
They couldn't speak a word ofEnglish.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
And how much did you weigh?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
I weighed 225.
And then Andre he was 7, 7'5and 550 pounds.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Andre's a giant.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
And he was a giant, and so I.
So I, and at the time at thebeachcomber, we bought a used
limousine because it was.
We wanted to get our patronshome safe and that's how it
worked.
So I am, I remember getting inthat limousine, going down and
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going down to the, to theColiseum, and I'm going, I'm by
myself, in the back of thatlimousine, I'm going, oh my god,
andre the Giant and two, twobig Germans that can't speak a
word of English and they're bothbigger than houses.
This should be a long night,which it was Well.
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I walk into the dressing room,I'm sitting there and I know I
was shaking.
All of a sudden I look up andthere's the giant.
And he goes are you Zeus?
And that's my nickname and I go.
How did you know that?
Andre was in San Franciscobefore coming down from San
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Francisco to San Diego for theshow?
He's at the bar in Sanfrancisco and a very dear friend
of of mine a lot of people tothis day tom wukowicz was a
biggie with xerox, xeroxcorporation.
At the time he was sitting atthe bar up there and and and tom
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, as tom told, he's sittingthere and all of a sudden he
hears this voice.
May I sit next to you?
And he looks around and here'sAndre the Giant.
Tom goes, andre.
They sit there.
They became instant friends.
They're on the same flight, psaflight down to San Diego.
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Andre's got his manager withhim.
Wook's in the back of the plane, andre's in the front of the
plane.
Andre tells his manager you goback and get Wook up here with
me.
So Wook sits up there withAndre and they've had a couple
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of bottles of wine, I guess, onthe way down, and that's how it
was.
But Andre goes.
Wookowitz is a very good friendof mine now.
I mean Tom Wookowitz, he goes,yeah, he goes.
He can't come, though he got alittle too tipsy.
His wife had to pick him up atthe airport.
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I go okay.
So anyway, that's how we,that's how it started.
So Andre goes, don't worry,you're going to be okay.
You get in there.
They're going to rough you up alittle bit and I go a little
bit.
He goes more than a little bit.
I go okay.
So that means a lot, he goes alot.
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But when you think you've hadenough, you wink at me and then
I'm going to come in and it'llbe okay.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Is that what you call the tag team?
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yeah, tag team.
But usually it's like this hegoes just wink.
Yeah, that didn't work verywell.
I'm in there and I'm gettingit's like around the world in
about 15 minutes.
I mean I'm flying here andeverywhere and I keep winking
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and he doesn't see the wink.
Well, needless to say, afterabout 10 minutes mean getting
pulverized.
Finally I go like this, andthen he ain't had enough.
Aubrey comes in there and thesetwo guys are giants and he
knocked the you-know-what out ofthem left, right, up and down.
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He picks one up and slams him.
He picks the other one andslams him on top of him.
Then he picks me up with onearm and just puts me on top of
him.
Then he puts his foot and legon top of me.
One, two, three you could havecounted to 500.
Nobody was moving there, butthat was the start.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Now, guys, they could actually toss each other around
as big as they were.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Oh yeah, oh Andre, these fellas.
They were strong too, theGermans.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
But Andre had immense immense, immense power.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Where was he from France?
Yeah, from Paris, and he was avery, very, very wonderful man,
great connoisseur of wine.
He was a restaurateur, he hadbusiness in Toronto and in Paris
.
And he was a dear friend andjust a really really good, good,
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good person.
But that's how my careerbasically got going in San Diego
.
That's how my career basicallygot going in San Diego.
And then I moved to Chicago andI wrestled around the country
and I learned the promotionbusiness down in Texas through
the Von Erich family and thenfrom there.
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I stayed in Chicago and did thatand married.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
What about?
I was a Hulk Hogan fan.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Hulk Hogan was at his day and age.
He was the best, was he?
And he was discovered in thebeach area up the coast.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, Venice Beach.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
yeah, yeah and he was just, I mean he was.
He basically turned thebusiness around, because with
him and Andre and Ric Flair youget and you get that.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
What about Rowdy Rowdy Piper?
Speaker 2 (17:06):
he, rowdy.
Rowdy was one of the nicestguys he was and he was a
Canadian, but he was really agood guy.
He was a great, great, greatwrestler, great technician.
Just he knew how to he could.
He could make you, he couldmake you love him in he could.
He could make you.
He can make you love him in asecond.
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We can make it hate him in asecond.
I mean, he was just really atrue.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
I can't recall his name, but he had walked into the
ring and he um whoo oh, that'sRandy Macho Macho man.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Macho man, macho man, that's it but Ric Flair is
still the king of whoo that'show it is and Ric Flair is one
of the greatest technicians, oneof the greatest, the greatest
technician, one of the greatestwrestlers ever.
Also Macho man, he was a beautytoo.
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But these are characters withincharacters.
But they were, I mean, they'rethe ones that put the pro
wrestling on the spotlight, Ibelieve, and it was just an
honor at that time to go againstthem but work with them.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
And you really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yes, yeah, we had a lot of fun.
There were a lot of tough days.
You know the circuits when youhad to do those days, the
circuits, you were driving 1,500miles a week.
You'd be wrestling.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Every week you would.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah, you'd be going well, especially if you're down
around Texas or something.
You'd be going all the way toLouisiana back and forth, or
Oklahoma.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Each week you'd be going Boxers back in the day.
They would.
Well, I'd use my dad.
He'd fight in Cleveland, ohio,and get on the train and fight
in Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Get on another train the next night and fight
somewhere else.
A lot of the guys used to.
I guess there's a similaritybetween the boxers and the
wrestlers.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Yeah, and at that time there was a great
similarity, because in thosedays, at that time there was a
great similarity because inthose days, if the guys got hurt
or something, they went throughit.
They boxed through being hurt.
If they were wrestling, theywere hurt.
If they could get in the ring,they were going to get in the
ring.
Your father, your father, tothis day, the greatest
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heavyweight boxer was Mr Moore.
The greatest heavyweight boxerwas Mr Moore.
Nobody has ever been or everwill get close to, even ever
having as many bouts as he didNobody.
I mean this day and age, you seea heavyweight boxer if they
have 20 bouts.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
it's like an attorney , Mr.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Moore had over 200.
He had 226.
I mean 226.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
That was recorded.
That's not even recorded.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
That tells you the athlete to that day and era, as
far as to survive.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
This is some pretty exciting stuff, yeah.
What about Ric Flair?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Ric Flair is one of the greatest.
There's a.
This was one.
This was in Chicago.
So right when I first met Ric,he was with the NWA and I was
with at the time I I was.
It was called Wild WestWrestling and we both had.
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It was amazing.
Both of us had shows in theChicago area and we were both.
Both the groups of wrestlerswere staying at this motel.
It was called the Air Host Inn.
It was right on Mannheim inchicago and there was the, the
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gal that owned the place.
Great gal, really a great gal.
She had an airplane right infront of the place.
I mean like an air host inn.
Well, we get there after.
I think we were in Wisconsin,we were in Milwaukee, we get
back and they were in Indiana orsomeplace.
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And then I had on my group wehad the midgets, two we had four
of the midgets wrestling, so Igot there late and then Rick
Floyd was with this other group.
Well, we're all down at the barand then we met each other and
it was fine.
I was looking around for thefour midgets and I'm looking
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around the bar and I can't findthe midgets.
Well, they were all foursitting around the bar, but they
were all sitting on phone books.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
So they just looked like regular people.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
And I'm looking around for little guys and I'm
going, they've got to be here.
And finally I saw one of them,lord Brooks, and I see his long
ponytail and I go oh, there youare.
And he goes yeah, we just hadto get some phone books so we
could sit up to the bar.
We couldn't be there.
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That's where I met Rick, andRick is a wonderful guy and his
daughter is just a greatperformer herself to this day
and she's just wonderful.
He's just a great guy.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
There was a he's a blonde haired, close cropped
blonde hair.
Hmm, that might not be enoughinformation for you to figure
out who.
I'm trying.
I had his name while ago.
What about Rocky Razzley who?
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Rocky Razzley?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
That one would be a tough one.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
I guess he was probably more towards the Hulk
Hogan era, okay, or as HulkHogan was coming out, something
like that.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Somewhere around there, yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Yeah, and well, let's talk about Terrence and I, our
executive director here at ABNZ.
We met you and it's been awonderful thing since we met.
Now we're talking about doing a.
All the talk we're doing lookslike we might be going to
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Chicago.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
No, no, no, we're here in San Diego.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
So what do you envision and hope to see us do
here with our nonprofit and yourpromoting skills?
Speaker 2 (24:07):
What I hope that can be achieved here is getting out
more in San Diego, all aroundSan Diego, because this area
down here, it's just likeanything else.
You've got to expand yourhorizons as far as getting out
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the word of what you're doingdown here, down here, what
you're doing with these kids, isvery, very instrumental in the
future of this area and the kids, this area and the kids and and
basically what I, which I can't, which I'm, I'm in because I'm,
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I'm excited about this, becauseI think we can reach out and
hit other spectrums of the city,other other organizations that
might like, like to justunderstand what's going on, the
concept of what's going on here,and how little, how little
financially, it takes to get oneperson, one child, each month
just to be able to come in here.
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Learn a lot of discipline, learnhow to eat better, learn
financial things about life,about communication, which is
the biggest thing in the world,instead of everybody being on a
computer all the time.
You have to learn how to talk.
That's going to be a big thing.
The language barrier issomething that I think can be a
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big help in the future as far asthe children here in San Diego
is Hispanic, english, whatever,but to learn bilingual it's just
very important.
But there's so many things thatyou've done here and tried to
instigate and get going, but wejust have to get out farther.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
we have to get more people involved well, one of the
things I'd like to, becauselately we've been talking about
this area quite a bit my dad, healways talked about how not
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only is this area in trouble,but on towards, on the other
side of it, things are spreadingand we're here to help all the
youth, and black, red, white,yellow and brown Doesn't matter,
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egbdf, every good body does andso what we want to do is we
don't want to get narrowed downto this community, we want to
help all communities.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
That's exactly what I said.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
And it's good that a gentleman like yourself has come
into our midst and we thank theLord for you and I'd like to
see what we can do to make adifference.
There's a kid just came to mewe were at Horton Elementary
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last week, a little kid by thename of Braylon, and he's seven
years, eight years old, and heheard about A, b and C and so we
walked in and we gave him somet-shirts and everything.
And this little kid, he washere yesterday.
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It was yesterday.
The principal stopped by and hetold him the same thing.
He told them at school.
He told the kids at school.
He said Hold it.
Hold it, instructor Moore, letme talk, let me talk.
And the principal, danielle, shesaid Go ahead.
He said what we're going to do.
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He said it just like this.
He said we're going to make SanDiego better and then we're
going to work and make the worldbetter.
Just a kid, eight-year-old kidsaying this.
And he repeated it againyesterday when he was here.
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He told Lamar, he told Lamar,that's what we were going to do,
that's the future and that's,you know, those are.
our kids are in trouble A lot ofus adults too, I guess.
But our kids are in trouble andwe've got to go the extra mile.
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We should go the extra mile togive them guidance.
There's a story, and we'llclose on this here story.
Dr Broomberg was a doctor outin La Jolla.
He had a son by the name ofBrian Broomberg, la Jolla.
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He had a son by the name ofBrian Broomberg.
Brian Broomberg used to comefrom La Jolla.
We didn't have the A, b and Cestablished like it is now, but
we were in another gym, irishBud Murphy's gym.
We used to be down there doingthe work with our kids and Brian
was in, I think, 10th or 11thgrade and he started coming from
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La Jolla hanging around,hanging around, hanging around
with the kids that were locateddown in this area.
And when he graduated, the wifeand I went to his graduation
and his mom she said Mr Moore,can you hold up for a minute?
Yes, ma'am, and she had writtena letter and she read the
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letter and she said if it wasn'tfor A, b and C, my son would
have never graduated from highschool.
And I tell that story because itreally shows how we touch all
walks of life if we're given thechance.
And the kid now he's one of thehe does film now and he's one
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of the best at it one of thebest.
So we give God the glory and wethank him.
You know, this is veryinteresting Zeus In the ring
with Billy Moore.
But we're not talking aboutboxing, we're talking about
wrestling.
That's going to be our lead-infor the next couple of shows.
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Zeus, you're renowned.
Our lead in for the next coupleof shows.
Zeus, you're renowned.
You're renowned, you're knownacross the country.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
You're known across the country.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
And most of it's good , I hope Well, I'm sure it's
good.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Well, I don't know you wrestlers, from what I hear
you guys have some stories.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Oh yeah, there's a lot of stories.
There's a lot more coming too.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Okay, you got it, zeus.
Well, I want to say thank you,and how's the wife?
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Wife is great, everybody's great, but I want to
thank you, billy and Terrence,for everything, and this is
going to get better.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
It is because I'm going to dig up them, guys.
I used to watch.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
We're going to bring the archives back, so it'll be
fun.
But once again, this ishopefully it's going to get some
attention of some people andwe're going to it's like,
instead of just like this area,like Billy just said, we're
dealing with San Diego County,the whole San Diego.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
County.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
We're going from.
I don't care If we can helpkids get a start or get on the
right path to what's going onfor the future.
It can go anywhere and that'sfine with me, and if I can help
I'm going to be there.
Thank you, brother.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
My pleasure Okay.
Welcome to In the Ring with Billy Moore.
This is a very special andunique show that's done
especially for you and we hopethat you enjoy it.
Alan Dwyer A lot of peoplewould know him as Zeus Zeus,
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Outstanding and championshipcaliber wrestler.
Good morning, Zeus.
Good morning, Billy how are youdoing this morning?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I'm doing great.
I hope everybody else is tooyeah but I think we're going to.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
If they're not feeling great, we're going to
give them something to.
I think we can talk aboutsomething that will make them
feel good, make them feel great.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
One way or the other, they're going to be great by
the time we get done with them.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
So it's all right and it's very interesting doing a
show with a wrestler opposed toanother boxer.
You were born in San Diego.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I was born and raised in North Park and my father he
was born and raised down inPresidio Park and where he was
born and raised they used tohave on Friday nights.
On the corner there was a lightand the kids would box down
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there and all the ethnic ownersof the restaurants around
downtown San Diego would comedown there and watch the kids
fight and they'd throw nickels,dimes and everything else and
the kids would make some extramoney.
Well, that's how my dad wasdiscovered by Billy's father,
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archie.
He had one of his scouts downthere one night and my dad was
in the ring and he had a prettygood night.
He was four for four and all ofa sudden Archie had an
interview with my dad and my dadwas very young at the time and
ended up being a professionalboxer under Archie's tutorage
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and after my dad retired.
My dad was a butcher for 50years and my father and Archie
were the best of friends, and mydad, on Saturdays, would go
around the city at differentmeat markets and he would rent
the meat market out on aSaturday.
So most of the people in thosedays had owned the little meat
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markets on the corners.
They had families, but theynever had a Saturday Sunday out.
It was always a Sunday.
So my dad would come in whenArchie was in town.
Town he'd call my father and heand my dad's nickname was Irish
.
He'd go Irish.
You know what I need and andArchie's, archie's favorite
steak was was the top sirloin'stwo and three quarter inches and
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not two and three, not two andthree quarter.
Two and three quarter, not twoand three eighths, not two and
three eighths, not two and notthree.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
It's two and three quarters, that was it.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
So that's how I learned how to cut his steaks.
So I just moved back here fromChicago a couple years ago.
After 40 years in Chicago, Iwrestled there professionally
and then promoted for about 15and then retired back there.
My late wife passed away there.
I came back here and Irekindled my relationship with a
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girlfriend that I knew in the70s.
And now we are married, happilymarried.
And then, through my travels inthe last, say, six months, I
knew about Billy Moore, but I'venever met Billy.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Right right.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
And through a friend of ours, ron Cota.
He mentioned the fact that hewas doing something with Billy,
and so subsequently we gottogether not too long ago and
now we're sitting here in thegym and possibly it looks like
I'm coming out of retirement totry to help this organization
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and get things cooking so herewe are.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Are you coming out of retirement to do that, or are
you coming out of retirement towrestle?
I'm coming to help you, not towrestle hey, zeus, tell our
listeners a story about you yourdad and my dad, I think, when
you were a little gangster.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
I was a problem child for a short time in my life
problem child for a short timein my life.
I grew up with 3076 Thorn Streetand I made a mistake one day
and my dad was a very easy goingguy.
But he said, al, you overdid itand he goes, you're going to
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pay for it.
And I went, uh, oh Well.
Subsequently he called Archieand and we're outside.
We're outside and all of asudden I see Archie pull up in
his, in his Brand new car, and Iknew it was Archie's car and I
went oh no.
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And subsequently the trunkopened, archie got two pair of
boxing gloves out of it.
He says put them on.
And Archie said you know whatI'm here for?
And I tried to do the old cryfake.
And he goes that ain't working.
And he says I go, yes, sir.
Archie said look up.
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I looked up and one smack inthe stomach and that was it.
And I never did that again andthat was the best lesson I ever
learned in my life.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
That got you going on the straight and narrow.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I was like a rattlesnake and then I got
straight and quick.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
How did you get into wrestling?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
I got into wrestling, I went to Hoover High School
and I had the honor of having mywrestling coach's name was Don
Arnold.
He was the first man to benchpress 400 pounds in the city of
San Diego at Leo Stern's gym.
And Mr Arnold God bless him hewas a mentor to me and he just
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was a great guy.
And my father when he took hetook me to 15th and e street.
That's where.
That's where he used to box, mrmore used to box everybody.
Well, that's where they hadwrestling and and Danny Millsap
was a promoter and my fatherjust took me to my first
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wrestling match and I told mydad and I said I think one day
I'd like to do this.
He goes, you don't want to box,I go.
Well, I'll learn how to box,but I want to do this.
And this is when I was veryyoung I was maybe 11, 12 years
old, something like that.
And this is when I was veryyoung, I was maybe 11, 12 years
old, something like that.
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Well, I'm at Hoover, it'sfootball time, it's towards the
end of the season, teen didn'tdo too well and we had kind of a
rough practice one day.
And I look up and I knew whoCoach Arnold was but I did not
ever meet the gentleman untilthen.
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And he goes.
I would like to talk to you andI go yes, sir, he goes.
I'll make a proposition.
He goes I understand you mightwant to learn how to the ropes
as far as being a professionalwrestler.
And I looked at him and I said,yes, but can you help me?
He goes have you ever heard ofthe wrestler Dr Death out of
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Indiana?
And I go.
Yeah, he goes.
That's me.
I go.
Huh, well, he was.
And he goes.
I'll make you a deal.
You wrestle for me my juniorsenior year, one hour a week
after practice, you and me inhere.
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He says by the time you graduateyour senior year, you'll know
everything you're going to haveto know and if it ever comes
down to a point where you wantto get into wrestling, you're
going to be able to get in therejust like you've been in there
forever.
I said you got a deal, so Iwrestled for him on the Hoover
High Wrestling Team and hetaught me the ropes as far as
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like learning the business, andthen I owned a bar called the
Beachcomber in the early 70s toearly 80s.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
You owned the Beachcomber?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yes, oh yeah, and that's when everything was
really going good.
The Chargers hockey was big inSan Diego, everything was really
cooking and Tuesday nights werea slow night in the bar.
Well, that's when wrestling wasdown at Bill Miller's Coliseum.
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So this is where I got theharebrained idea I'd go down and
talk to Mr Millsap, and CoachArnold talked to Danny, and
Danny gets a hold of these twowrestlers.
At the time they were calledthe Hollywood Blondes, jerry.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Brown and Buddy Roberts the Hollywood Blondes.
Jerry Brown and Buddy Robertsthe Hollywood Blondes.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
And they were two characters, really characters,
but they were great wrestlers.
Well, they gave me a workoutprior to the show that night and
they both said he's in, andthat's how I ended up getting
into the business, he's in, andthat's how I ended up getting in
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the end of the business.
And then, and then, uh, I didit just to get business going on
Tuesday night.
Well, it ended up being alittle bit more than that,
because then, all of a sudden, Iwas wrestling quite a bit and
then, uh, just not too longafter I'd started, Danny Danny
calls me up and he goes.
Well, Leo Garibaldi he was apromoter out of Los Angeles and
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Lee Neaton God bless that familythey were promoters for the
state of California for boxingand wrestling and he goes.
I heard good things about youand I'm going to have you as
Andre the Giant's tag teampartner here in San Diego.
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And I said what?
Because I mean I was still arookie.
He goes, but you'll be allright.
Well, the funny part about thisis you're not going to say no
when they say that.
So I said okay.
Well, we didn't know that thetag team partners were both
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Germans.
They were both about 6'6",about 280 each.
They couldn't speak a word ofEnglish.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
And how much did you weigh?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
I weighed 225.
And then Andre he was 7, 7'5and 550 pounds.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Andre's a giant.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
And he was a giant, and so I.
So I, and at the time at thebeachcomber, we bought a used
limousine because it was.
We wanted to get our patronshome safe and that's how it
worked.
So I am, I remember getting inthat limousine, going down and
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going down to the, to theColiseum, and I'm going, I'm by
myself, in the back of thatlimousine, I'm going, oh my god,
andre the Giant and two, twobig Germans that can't speak a
word of English and they're bothbigger than houses.
This should be a long night,which it was Well.
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I walk into the dressing room,I'm sitting there and I know I
was shaking.
All of a sudden I look up andthere's the giant.
And he goes are you Zeus?
And that's my nickname and I go.
How did you know that?
Andre was in San Franciscobefore coming down from San
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Francisco to San Diego for theshow?
He's at the bar in Sanfrancisco and a very dear friend
of of mine a lot of people tothis day tom wukowicz was a
biggie with xerox, xeroxcorporation.
At the time he was sitting atthe bar up there and and and tom
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, as tom told, he's sittingthere and all of a sudden he
hears this voice.
May I sit next to you?
And he looks around and here'sAndre the Giant.
Tom goes, andre.
They sit there.
They became instant friends.
They're on the same flight, psaflight down to San Diego.
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Andre's got his manager withhim.
Wook's in the back of the plane, andre's in the front of the
plane.
Andre tells his manager you goback and get Wook up here with
me.
So Wook sits up there withAndre and they've had a couple
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of bottles of wine, I guess, onthe way down, and that's how it
was.
But Andre goes.
Wookowitz is a very good friendof mine now.
I mean Tom Wookowitz, he goes,yeah, he goes.
He can't come, though he got alittle too tipsy.
His wife had to pick him up atthe airport.
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I go okay.
So anyway, that's how we,that's how it started.
So Andre goes, don't worry,you're going to be okay.
You get in there.
They're going to rough you up alittle bit and I go a little
bit.
He goes more than a little bit.
I go okay.
So that means a lot, he goes alot.
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But when you think you've hadenough, you wink at me and then
I'm going to come in and it'llbe okay.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Is that what you call the tag team?
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yeah, tag team.
But usually it's like this hegoes just wink.
Yeah, that didn't work verywell.
I'm in there and I'm gettingit's like around the world in
about 15 minutes.
I mean I'm flying here andeverywhere and I keep winking
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and he doesn't see the wink.
Well, needless to say, afterabout 10 minutes mean getting
pulverized.
Finally I go like this, andthen he ain't had enough.
Aubrey comes in there and thesetwo guys are giants and he
knocked the you-know-what out ofthem left, right, up and down.
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He picks one up and slams him.
He picks the other one andslams him on top of him.
Then he picks me up with onearm and just puts me on top of
him.
Then he puts his foot and legon top of me.
One, two, three you could havecounted to 500.
Nobody was moving there, butthat was the start.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Now, guys, they could actually toss each other around
as big as they were.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Oh yeah, oh Andre, these fellas.
They were strong too, theGermans.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
But Andre had immense immense, immense power.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Where was he from France?
Yeah, from Paris, and he was avery, very, very wonderful man,
great connoisseur of wine.
He was a restaurateur, he hadbusiness in Toronto and in Paris
.
And he was a dear friend andjust a really really good, good,
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good person.
But that's how my careerbasically got going in San Diego
.
That's how my career basicallygot going in San Diego.
And then I moved to Chicago andI wrestled around the country
and I learned the promotionbusiness down in Texas through
the Von Erich family and thenfrom there.
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I stayed in Chicago and did thatand married.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
What about?
I was a Hulk Hogan fan.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Hulk Hogan was at his day and age.
He was the best, was he?
And he was discovered in thebeach area up the coast.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, Venice Beach.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
yeah, yeah and he was just, I mean he was.
He basically turned thebusiness around, because with
him and Andre and Ric Flair youget and you get that.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
What about Rowdy Rowdy Piper?
Speaker 2 (17:06):
he, rowdy.
Rowdy was one of the nicestguys he was and he was a
Canadian, but he was really agood guy.
He was a great, great, greatwrestler, great technician.
Just he knew how to he could.
He could make you, he couldmake you love him in he could.
He could make you.
He can make you love him in asecond.
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We can make it hate him in asecond.
I mean, he was just really atrue.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
I can't recall his name, but he had walked into the
ring and he um whoo oh, that'sRandy Macho Macho man.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Macho man, macho man, that's it but Ric Flair is
still the king of whoo that'show it is and Ric Flair is one
of the greatest technicians, oneof the greatest, the greatest
technician, one of the greatestwrestlers ever.
Also Macho man, he was a beautytoo.
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But these are characters withincharacters.
But they were, I mean, they'rethe ones that put the pro
wrestling on the spotlight, Ibelieve, and it was just an
honor at that time to go againstthem but work with them.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
And you really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yes, yeah, we had a lot of fun.
There were a lot of tough days.
You know the circuits when youhad to do those days, the
circuits, you were driving 1,500miles a week.
You'd be wrestling.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Every week you would.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah, you'd be going well, especially if you're down
around Texas or something.
You'd be going all the way toLouisiana back and forth, or
Oklahoma.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Each week you'd be going Boxers back in the day.
They would.
Well, I'd use my dad.
He'd fight in Cleveland, ohio,and get on the train and fight
in Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Get on another train the next night and fight
somewhere else.
A lot of the guys used to.
I guess there's a similaritybetween the boxers and the
wrestlers.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Yeah, and at that time there was a great
similarity, because in thosedays, at that time there was a
great similarity because inthose days, if the guys got hurt
or something, they went throughit.
They boxed through being hurt.
If they were wrestling, theywere hurt.
If they could get in the ring,they were going to get in the
ring.
Your father, your father, tothis day, the greatest
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heavyweight boxer was Mr Moore.
The greatest heavyweight boxerwas Mr Moore.
Nobody has ever been or everwill get close to, even ever
having as many bouts as he didNobody.
I mean this day and age, you seea heavyweight boxer if they
have 20 bouts.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
it's like an attorney , Mr.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Moore had over 200.
He had 226.
I mean 226.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
That was recorded.
That's not even recorded.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
That tells you the athlete to that day and era, as
far as to survive.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
This is some pretty exciting stuff, yeah.
What about Ric Flair?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Ric Flair is one of the greatest.
There's a.
This was one.
This was in Chicago.
So right when I first met Ric,he was with the NWA and I was
with at the time I I was.
It was called Wild WestWrestling and we both had.
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It was amazing.
Both of us had shows in theChicago area and we were both.
Both the groups of wrestlerswere staying at this motel.
It was called the Air Host Inn.
It was right on Mannheim inchicago and there was the, the
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gal that owned the place.
Great gal, really a great gal.
She had an airplane right infront of the place.
I mean like an air host inn.
Well, we get there after.
I think we were in Wisconsin,we were in Milwaukee, we get
back and they were in Indiana orsomeplace.
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And then I had on my group wehad the midgets, two we had four
of the midgets wrestling, so Igot there late and then Rick
Floyd was with this other group.
Well, we're all down at the barand then we met each other and
it was fine.
I was looking around for thefour midgets and I'm looking
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around the bar and I can't findthe midgets.
Well, they were all foursitting around the bar, but they
were all sitting on phone books.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
So they just looked like regular people.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
And I'm looking around for little guys and I'm
going, they've got to be here.
And finally I saw one of them,lord Brooks, and I see his long
ponytail and I go oh, there youare.
And he goes yeah, we just hadto get some phone books so we
could sit up to the bar.
We couldn't be there.
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That's where I met Rick, andRick is a wonderful guy and his
daughter is just a greatperformer herself to this day
and she's just wonderful.
He's just a great guy.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
There was a he's a blonde haired, close cropped
blonde hair.
Hmm, that might not be enoughinformation for you to figure
out who.
I'm trying.
I had his name while ago.
What about Rocky Razzley who?
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Rocky Razzley?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
That one would be a tough one.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
I guess he was probably more towards the Hulk
Hogan era, okay, or as HulkHogan was coming out, something
like that.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Somewhere around there, yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Yeah, and well, let's talk about Terrence and I, our
executive director here at ABNZ.
We met you and it's been awonderful thing since we met.
Now we're talking about doing a.
All the talk we're doing lookslike we might be going to
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Chicago.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
No, no, no, we're here in San Diego.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
So what do you envision and hope to see us do
here with our nonprofit and yourpromoting skills?
Speaker 2 (24:07):
What I hope that can be achieved here is getting out
more in San Diego, all aroundSan Diego, because this area
down here, it's just likeanything else.
You've got to expand yourhorizons as far as getting out
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the word of what you're doingdown here, down here, what
you're doing with these kids, isvery, very instrumental in the
future of this area and the kids, this area and the kids and and
basically what I, which I can't, which I'm, I'm in because I'm,
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I'm excited about this, becauseI think we can reach out and
hit other spectrums of the city,other other organizations that
might like, like to justunderstand what's going on, the
concept of what's going on here,and how little, how little
financially, it takes to get oneperson, one child, each month
just to be able to come in here.
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Learn a lot of discipline, learnhow to eat better, learn
financial things about life,about communication, which is
the biggest thing in the world,instead of everybody being on a
computer all the time.
You have to learn how to talk.
That's going to be a big thing.
The language barrier issomething that I think can be a
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big help in the future as far asthe children here in San Diego
is Hispanic, english, whatever,but to learn bilingual it's just
very important.
But there's so many things thatyou've done here and tried to
instigate and get going, but wejust have to get out farther.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
we have to get more people involved well, one of the
things I'd like to, becauselately we've been talking about
this area quite a bit my dad, healways talked about how not
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only is this area in trouble,but on towards, on the other
side of it, things are spreadingand we're here to help all the
youth, and black, red, white,yellow and brown Doesn't matter,
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egbdf, every good body does andso what we want to do is we
don't want to get narrowed downto this community, we want to
help all communities.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
That's exactly what I said.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
And it's good that a gentleman like yourself has come
into our midst and we thank theLord for you and I'd like to
see what we can do to make adifference.
There's a kid just came to mewe were at Horton Elementary
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last week, a little kid by thename of Braylon, and he's seven
years, eight years old, and heheard about A, b and C and so we
walked in and we gave him somet-shirts and everything.
And this little kid, he washere yesterday.
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It was yesterday.
The principal stopped by and hetold him the same thing.
He told them at school.
He told the kids at school.
He said Hold it.
Hold it, instructor Moore, letme talk, let me talk.
And the principal, danielle, shesaid Go ahead.
He said what we're going to do.
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He said it just like this.
He said we're going to make SanDiego better and then we're
going to work and make the worldbetter.
Just a kid, eight-year-old kidsaying this.
And he repeated it againyesterday when he was here.
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He told Lamar, he told Lamar,that's what we were going to do,
that's the future and that's,you know, those are.
our kids are in trouble A lot ofus adults too, I guess.
But our kids are in trouble andwe've got to go the extra mile.
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We should go the extra mile togive them guidance.
There's a story, and we'llclose on this here story.
Dr Broomberg was a doctor outin La Jolla.
He had a son by the name ofBrian Broomberg, la Jolla.
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He had a son by the name ofBrian Broomberg.
Brian Broomberg used to comefrom La Jolla.
We didn't have the A, b and Cestablished like it is now, but
we were in another gym, irishBud Murphy's gym.
We used to be down there doingthe work with our kids and Brian
was in, I think, 10th or 11thgrade and he started coming from
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La Jolla hanging around,hanging around, hanging around
with the kids that were locateddown in this area.
And when he graduated, the wifeand I went to his graduation
and his mom she said Mr Moore,can you hold up for a minute?
Yes, ma'am, and she had writtena letter and she read the
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letter and she said if it wasn'tfor A, b and C, my son would
have never graduated from highschool.
And I tell that story because itreally shows how we touch all
walks of life if we're given thechance.
And the kid now he's one of thehe does film now and he's one
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of the best at it one of thebest.
So we give God the glory and wethank him.
You know, this is veryinteresting Zeus In the ring
with Billy Moore.
But we're not talking aboutboxing, we're talking about
wrestling.
That's going to be our lead-infor the next couple of shows.
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Zeus, you're renowned.
Our lead in for the next coupleof shows.
Zeus, you're renowned.
You're renowned, you're knownacross the country.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
You're known across the country.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
And most of it's good , I hope Well, I'm sure it's
good.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Well, I don't know you wrestlers, from what I hear
you guys have some stories.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Oh yeah, there's a lot of stories.
There's a lot more coming too.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Okay, you got it, zeus.
Well, I want to say thank you,and how's the wife?
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Wife is great, everybody's great, but I want to
thank you, billy and Terrence,for everything, and this is
going to get better.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
It is because I'm going to dig up them, guys.
I used to watch.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
We're going to bring the archives back, so it'll be
fun.
But once again, this ishopefully it's going to get some
attention of some people andwe're going to it's like,
instead of just like this area,like Billy just said, we're
dealing with San Diego County,the whole San Diego.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
County.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
We're going from.
I don't care If we can helpkids get a start or get on the
right path to what's going onfor the future.
It can go anywhere and that'sfine with me, and if I can help
I'm going to be there.
Thank you, brother.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
My pleasure Okay.
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