December 7, 2020 • 31 mins
Recorded on 9/11/2020 a day of remembrance and Billy Moore's birthday. Billy Moore interviews retired El Cajon Chief of Police Jeff Davis.
They discuss their friendship built on mutual respect. The also outline what needs to be done so that the community and the police can work together to make a better society.
Respect and humility are the keys to moving the conversation forward and reforming law enforcement and the community.
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Billy Moore (00:23):
Good afternoon and welcome to in the ring with
Billy Moore. And as we alwaystalked about everybody put you
put their gloves on and getready because they know that
getting in the ringevery day everything and
anything goes.
So good afternoon,I was a very, very, very dear
friend of mine. I still call himchief chief Jeff Davis, who's
(00:47):
retired from the as the alcoholpolice chief, but I'd like to
take a few minutes and let himintroduce himself to our
audience. Well, thank you,Billy, and hello to everybody
out there listening. And well,you know, thank you for the
introduction, Billy. My name isJeff Davis, I retired from the
(01:10):
Oakland Police Department. As amatter of fact, it'll be one
year tomorrow.
Jeff Davis (01:18):
I served 33 years with that department, grew up in
that area, spent my whole lifeout there. So in essence, I
joined the departmentthat police might my
neighborhoods, my area.
I think that's important.
Although I understand that it'snot always feasible to do that.
I enjoyed my career I enjoyedthe aspect of meeting some truly
(01:44):
phenomenal people is in my 33years. One of my
my beliefs, from my first day onthe job till the day I retired,
was if I made a difference, apositive difference in even one
(02:07):
person's life, it was worth it.
And I still feel that way,regardless of what you do. In
any endeavor, whether it's workor your personal life. If if you
can make a difference in aperson's life positively.
That is a blessing. And I thinkthat's why we're here.
Dwayne E. Shigg (02:28):
Any Body Can Youth Foundation teaches our you
step off into life with theirbest foot forward without
cowardice, but with courage anddignity. ABC was founded by
legendary Light HeavyweightChampion Archie Moore in 1957.
He had a heart and passion forhelping the youth. He believed
if we went into the business ofprevention, we could save
(02:49):
billions of dollars and millionsof lives. He started ABC to
teach us the basic ABCs of life.
Are you concerned about theworld today? Do you want to help
train our youth to be the changeneeded in the world? Join us in
the fight for equality in thefight for justice in the fight
for our youth. If you would liketo help, go to www dot HBCU
foundation.org. That's www. ABCNews. foundation.org. Be well
(03:15):
and be blessed.
Jeff Davis (03:23):
Good morning. Good morning. First and foremost, if
you don't know today, is Billy'sbirthday. So Happy birthday, my
friend. You've got the glory. Weabsolutely do. Yeah. And and
let's not lose sight of the factthat aside from your birthday
today is 911 a day ofremembrance, a solemn day of
(03:44):
remembrance for our nation. Andyou know, before I get any
further into myself, I just wantto make sure that we are aware
of that. And we take a moment topause and reflect on what has
happened since then, as well.
So thank you, thank you for thattime.
Billy Moore (04:06):
Actually, let's take a moment of silence.
Chief.
(04:26):
I was thinkingthat talked about it yesterday.
The way that we met andit start all started out we were
putting togethera segment of a million punches
from the heart or we punch outgang violence, racism,
disrespect, disrespect that thepolice have paid, I mean for the
(04:49):
community and the and thedisrespect that the community
have for the police. And we wereout at Allen's airway And
I think that was yours and myfirst meeting. Thank you. Right.
You know, as I recall,
Jeff Davis (05:11):
you had reached out to me just before that, okay.
And I still remember youintroduce yourself. I think it
was a phone call, and you said,I think we need to meet.
And so I did a littleresearching into Billy Moore and
the ABC Youth Foundation, and Irealized, I think I do need to
(05:35):
meet him. Yep. And and then wemay have met, like, I believe he
may have come into the officeright before that event. And
that was really the kickoff and,and I was, that was my baptism
to ABC and what you and thefoundation do for the young
people in your program. And Iwas hooked. After that. I was
(05:59):
absolutely hooked.
Billy Moore (06:01):
Well, and, and I remember I was,
was I was, I remember talkingwith you, you know, as it you
know, cheapest. I'm not. I'm notno ways at choirboy, nor have I
been and you said, well,no big deal. And so
I can't remember what the heckit was. But the next day, we
(06:24):
were supposed to meet that.
Not Alan's airfield, but overat.
It was a place where they makeairplane parts.
Jeff Davis (06:34):
I remember that.
Billy Moore (06:35):
And we had our kids that we came out, the TV was out
that was coming out.
And I was so tired.
and you and you and your littlewife
walked over to the car. Now sitin the car trying to rest on
about been to a party at nightbefore the sum and use it.
(06:56):
Billy.
You said you're right. Yes, sir.
And it was a darndest thisthing.
When you look, you look is gonnatell you something. I don't want
to see you like this anymore. Iwill see you healthy and feeling
good.
That's it, okay. Shewe've been friends ever since.
Jeff Davis (07:21):
I can't remember a time when
I met somebody. And right offthe bat felt a connection kind
of a kinship. And it's funny,you mentioned that because after
our first meeting,we talked quite a bit about
personal philosophies. Yes. Iremember going home and telling
my wife, I said, I met this guytoday. And we kind of see eye to
(07:43):
eye on things. And let her knowthat we were going to go to the
first event. And of course, shesaid, Well, I want to go Yeah.
And and ironically, after that,we had a conversation and she
said, I understand what you'resaying now. And and we we talk
(08:04):
about your billing. WeWe We realize it's
you know, how do I say this?
I've met a lot of good people Ireally have. But
it's unfortunately rare to meetreally genuine people anymore.
(08:27):
And maybe it has to do with myline of work. I don't know. So
when I do meet somebody likethat, it has a big impact on my
life. And my wife as well. And,you know, set aside what you do
for the community bill at theABC Youth Foundation. Yes.
I'm here right now, because ofyou. parents give God the glory
(08:52):
because of you. Thank you,Chief. Thank you. That means a
lot. Because
Billy Moore (08:58):
I like to share. I know sometimes in the past we've
been in board meetings not go totalking about
my shortcomings. In one of theboard members the ability.
We don't we really don't want tohear about your shortcoming.
That's okay. But you know, I wasreading
(09:19):
Paul, in the Bible. I know weprobably have some people that
that are atheists and but werespect all people. And but as
he says, He says, I brag aboutmy shortcomings, so that I don't
get to thinking that I'm morethan what I am. And I love
(09:41):
talking about my shortcomings.
Because I was yesterday and Iwas talking with terrorists and
I were talking and God placespeople in your life
and yourself and Terence Shiggand Dr. Bob
There are people that that'splaced in your life to help you
(10:04):
overcome your shortcomings. It'sencouraging,
is certain people that reallyencourage people, I don't care
how old you get this all, alwayssomeone placed in your life
to help encourage you, I amlearning that. And I welcome it,
(10:26):
I think the Lord for people likeyourself, and the people that I
just mentioned, butwe're here, one of the main
reasons we're here is for whatwe just got through talking
about, and maybe someone willhear that it'll resonate with
them, and add something to theirlife. But ABC.
(10:52):
What we do here is teach ouryoungsters how to step off in
life with their best footforward without cowardice, but
with courage and dignity. Inright now we have a situation
that's going on across hiscountry. And right now, I don't
believe it's getting any anybetter. I think it's kind of at
a low. Andthose of us that believe in
(11:14):
prayer, and believe in doingsomething positive, and we need
start doing it before it goesover the deep end.
We hear we when youngsters comethrough that door, we teach them
that respect, has to go bothways and we teach them how to
(11:44):
respect the elders, or thepeople that supposed to be in
charge of youngsters being ableto follow a guideline or some
guidelines. And right now,that's a little out of whack. So
that was one of the reasons Iwanted us to get together and
(12:05):
talk a little bit and see how weget on someone could hear this
conversation that we're having.
And we come up with a way towhere we would have mutual
respect. Not just respect, justgoing one way, but mutual
respect, the police respectedthe community enough to where
(12:30):
the community would maybe takesome lead and say, well, so let
me know, let me share some herereal quick with you. There was a
young man that came to ABC aboutthree years ago. And he came
from a family of a lot ofcriminal activity. And I said,
(12:51):
well, we're going around to thepolice department, he did not
meet. He's at that time. He'sprobably 1314 years old. And I
say, Well, if you're going tocome here, you want to mount the
police department in some way.
And so he kind of he gave in.
And we went around to the policedepartment when we left the
(13:13):
police department. He said,coach, I think I want to be a
police just like that. So, thatwas one of the reasons that led
me to ask you to would you comeon and let's do a podcast and
talk a little bit about what'sgoing on in our society, with a
(13:35):
with the community and with thepolice department.
Jeff Davis (13:41):
Well, that doesn't surprise me believe that this is
on your heart, and that you'retaking action. You know, you it
was a great segue actually intothis topic. You were mentioning
your shortcomings. And by theway, I don't see you the only
shortcomings I see and use yoursweet tooth. Terence guards
(14:05):
carefully. Yeah. that why Ididn't Bring up a doughnut. No.
And to me, Billy that speaks.
And I've thought about notspecifically the topic we're
talking about today, but more ona broader scale of what's going
on today on both sides. And youreally started this conversation
(14:29):
going down the path of exactlywhat I've been thinking about
and it's it's humility, whichthe Bible teaches as well. And
maybe and again, these are justmy opinions.
Billy Moore (14:49):
Yes, yes.
Jeff Davis (14:51):
And, and it's, it occurs to me that possibly sides
could benefit from a littlehumility. And being able to
understand where the otherperson's coming from, we just
(15:16):
had a conversation out in thelobby with one of your
Billy Moore (15:22):
Joe Sigurdson ,
Jeff Davis (15:23):
yeah, Joe from
Billy Moore (15:25):
Boys to Men.
Jeff Davis (15:26):
He related on I want to take a story. But it was a
great story. But it was verysimilar to that about him.
Having one of his mentees, wearhis shoes, and walk in those
shoes for just a bit, and thenmake a decision that Joe had to
make. And boy, couldn't we allbenefit from a little more of
(15:50):
that nowadays? Now, how thatplays out? I don't know. That's
going to be up to leaders likeyou, I think. But you're asking
my opinion. My opinion. And thiscertainly isn't just a simple
answer. But if we could allexercise a little humility,
(16:14):
accept our shortcomings. And indoing so accept the shortcomings
of others, and realize thereisn't there isn't just two sides
to every story. There's multiplesides.
Billy Moore (16:27):
Yes. Yes, it's a there's a how they see it,
there's Yes.There's my side.
This is what I've heard some oldgentlemen, a lot older than me
in the past. There's my side,your side. And then the truth,
something I it goes somethinglike that. But this is what
(16:53):
happened. And I won't mentionany names. But I, my dad, the
police used to drive down our
Jeff Davis (16:59):
I noticed.
street. And the majority of thetimes when the police drove down
our street. They didn't get offthat street until they went in
the house and played a game ofpool with you. And I was I was
(17:22):
raised that way. And the ChiefNieslet San Diego police, Him
and I have a good, good, goodrapport. We have a good report
ABC News. I'm not gonna say mebut ABC, our kids, when the kids
(17:43):
see our police they can call thepolice by the names. They can do
that. But, we haven't have acouple of young couple young
ladies that was doing somevolunteer work with us. And
after I think they saw a videoof us doing, doing, doing an
(18:05):
interview with the policedepartment. And it's really
really, it it. It hurt me morethan anything. But they sent
text they sent one to me one toTerence. So I'm not a texter I'm
a guy that I I like to ta k,
Billy Moore (18:28):
I like to talk so I picked up the phone I called
her. She said well let the texthit. Instructor more. I'm happy
to have you in my life. She saysbut if you're going to support
the police, then we can'tsupport ABC anymore. First of
(18:53):
all, I got angry. Because whatyou're calling me is something
that I'm not. I don't believe inkissing nobodies. But, I believe
in respecting them. I believe indoing that. So I call Terence.
Terence is kind of the type hecan just let want to roll off of
his back in a I can't do that.
I've got to do something aboutit. I have to but this time, I
(19:17):
did because I know what ABCstands for. I know kind of know,
both sides. Both sides of thetable, the public side and the
police side. So, with that, atmy church, Dr. John W. Ringold.
(19:43):
My wife and I and his wife.
We've been all over the country.
I think I've shared that withyou doing missionary work and a
lot of the work that I do on thefield I try and bring it into
what we do here at ABC, and walkby a lot of those guidelines.
(20:06):
So, we have something going onhere that I do agree with you is
going to take people like myselfand others, to do something to
make a difference. There was asituation that occurred the
other day, where a group ofpeople went to a police officers
(20:30):
home, went to his home, andprotested all about his home and
did some things towards hisfamily. It's very dis. It wasn't
right. Because when you startdoing things like that, and I
(20:58):
hope someone is listening tothis, that, was that was
involved with it. This wouldhappen to me years ago as a kid.
And it from time to time, I'lljump around a little bit because
different things come to mymind. I was there was a guy by
the name of Rufus KenyattaHackenhole. My data just got
(21:20):
gotten him out of San QuentinPrison. He was six, six weigh
245 pounds with a 32 inch waist.
And Rufuss, the nicest guy, man,but he had gotten involved with
a with a radical group. And sohe had came by the house, he was
(21:45):
talking to me, in kind of thewinter sounded good to me. And
so my dad, he act like he wasn'tlistening. And he's at the top
of the steps. I knew he was atthe top of the steps. Starting
with we went to go out the door,he came back. He said, Where are
you going? I see. I'm going tolet you know what you're going
(22:08):
to do is he said, you're goingto bring us back in his house,
and you're going to sit your assdown. That's what you're going
to do. So he said, Rufus you goahead, he said I'm gonna ask you
question. He said, Do you knowhow to you say Do you know how
to make a gun? No, sir. Did youknow how to make a missile?
(22:33):
That's a No, sir. Let me tellyou something, the best thing
you can do is learn how to helppeople. By using this, in first
of all going and finishing youreducation set, that's the best
thing you can do is yes, becausethis thing here is going to get
(22:59):
a lot of people killed. And Ithought about that, you're going
to go over a group of people aregoing to go to somebody's home,
mean in the front of somebody'shome, in being out in a parking
lot. Two different things. Firstof all, when you go into
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somebody's living area, you'retreading on their territory. I
think God that nobody got hurtthat day, because someone very
well could have gotten hurt. Andit's possible. When you do
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something like that, sometimespeople forget, sometimes they
don't forget. So, that's thefirst place I would like to
start that we would like tostart is to let our young people
know that you've got to becareful about the choices you
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decide to make. You've got to becareful about the way you step
up into life with your best footforward. If you step up in life
with your best foot forward,you're going to really be
careful about the direction thatyou're going. But, on the other
(24:22):
hand, now, a lot of those peoplethey can defend their point of
view because of what they'veseen happen with the police and
our citizens. I think there's anumber of people that died. So
it's going to take a lot ofpraying and a lot of putting one
(24:48):
another in each other'sfootsteps.
Jeff Davis (24:53):
Well said I couldn't agree more. Billy, you know, and
you're yeah, strong, strong Dad,you're blessed. Yeah. And and
that story that you relayed isalmost like a metaphor. And he
was right. I think, well, I, Isuspect nowadays, not just young
(25:17):
people, but a lot of people arebeing pulled in a direction. And
they feel based on theiremotion, that it's the right
direction to go, whether they'refriends, or even family or
pulling them in that direction.
And and if I if I if anybodyever asked my opinion or advice
on that, it would be similar towhat you said if it's if it's
(25:41):
the decision you make, couldhave dire consequences.
Regardless, if you're a youngperson or an old person, it
would probably be wise to take asecond and look into the facts
first, yes, before you make adecision, before you follow
(26:05):
somebody that you think isright, you probably wouldn't do
that normally in life. You wouldwant to think on your own and
make your own decisions. And Iunderstand that it can be
difficult, I understand,especially for younger folks,
they may not have access tosomebody who is wise as you or
(26:28):
your father, I would, I wouldsuggest seeking somebody out
that you trust and feelcomfortable. ABC is a good
example. You can and get arelationship with somebody who
you can ask in. Maybe you can,you can add to this, it seems
(26:51):
like right now. This eitheryou're on this side, or that
side has led to a situationwhere people don't want to
accept something they don'tbelieve in. Because they think
that they have to practice that.
I can accept that you have adifferent opinion. But I don't
(27:13):
have to practice that. But Irespect you have a different
opinion. And it's getting backto the humility issue. It's okay
for people to not agree withyou. And it's okay for you not
to agree with other people. Andyou kind of alluded to the fact
(27:35):
of Well find out the factsfirst, and speak intelligently
or at the very least, learn asmuch about what's going on, so
you can make a good decision,not just based on emotion. And
regardless of your lot in life,how old you are, what your
(27:56):
experiences are you and I bothreally know that emotions never
go away. You know, I got cut offon the way driving here on the
freeway, and boy, my emotionswere about to take over. But
that was an opportunity for meto take a step back and ask
myself, Well, why am I upset?
That guy probably didn't evensee me. And it was probably not
(28:17):
intentional. So I base myreaction on on the facts that I
saw at the time and, and didn'thonk my horn or Yeah. And I
think that's kind of what you'realluding to right now is is if
you don't feel like you have theresources or somebody you know,
(28:39):
I'm talking to a man right now,who is a resource Billy Moore
and ABC foundation. And, youknow, I can tell you in my 33
years in law enforcement, Ican't say I've met very many
people as genuine as, as thisman and i and i would trust your
advice.
Billy Moore (29:03):
I liked that Chief.
I liked it. What, what, whatwe'd like to do this segment,
because this is a segment thatwe're going to have a few of
these segments and hoping andpraying that you'll come back.
But in the meantime, what we'dlike to call this here, which I
(29:28):
still do is name just pass thathe believed in getting in good
trouble. john lewis, john lewis,so we want to call this segment
good trouble. Good trouble.
Let's uh, let's go out and ourlisteners, let's go out and get
into good trouble. And that way,it won't come back positive.
Jeff Davis (29:52):
Amen. to that.
Billy Moore (29:53):
I want to thank you, Chief.
Jeff Davis (29:54):
Thank you for inviting me
Billy Moore (29:55):
And tell that lovely wife of yours. I said
hello and in
Jeff Davis (30:01):
You know, she's gonna sneak a donut to you.
Billy Moore (30:06):
Thank you so much, Chief.
Jeff Davis (30:07):
Thank you. Thank you very much.
Dwayne E. Shigg (30:10):
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Good afternoon and welcome to in the ring with
Billy Moore. And as we alwaystalked about everybody put you
put their gloves on and getready because they know that
getting in the ringevery day everything and
anything goes.
So good afternoon,I was a very, very, very dear
friend of mine. I still call himchief chief Jeff Davis, who's
(00:47):
retired from the as the alcoholpolice chief, but I'd like to
take a few minutes and let himintroduce himself to our
audience. Well, thank you,Billy, and hello to everybody
out there listening. And well,you know, thank you for the
introduction, Billy. My name isJeff Davis, I retired from the
(01:10):
Oakland Police Department. As amatter of fact, it'll be one
year tomorrow.
Jeff Davis (01:18):
I served 33 years with that department, grew up in
that area, spent my whole lifeout there. So in essence, I
joined the departmentthat police might my
neighborhoods, my area.
I think that's important.
Although I understand that it'snot always feasible to do that.
I enjoyed my career I enjoyedthe aspect of meeting some truly
(01:44):
phenomenal people is in my 33years. One of my
my beliefs, from my first day onthe job till the day I retired,
was if I made a difference, apositive difference in even one
(02:07):
person's life, it was worth it.
And I still feel that way,regardless of what you do. In
any endeavor, whether it's workor your personal life. If if you
can make a difference in aperson's life positively.
That is a blessing. And I thinkthat's why we're here.
Dwayne E. Shigg (02:28):
Any Body Can Youth Foundation teaches our you
step off into life with theirbest foot forward without
cowardice, but with courage anddignity. ABC was founded by
legendary Light HeavyweightChampion Archie Moore in 1957.
He had a heart and passion forhelping the youth. He believed
if we went into the business ofprevention, we could save
(02:49):
billions of dollars and millionsof lives. He started ABC to
teach us the basic ABCs of life.
Are you concerned about theworld today? Do you want to help
train our youth to be the changeneeded in the world? Join us in
the fight for equality in thefight for justice in the fight
for our youth. If you would liketo help, go to www dot HBCU
foundation.org. That's www. ABCNews. foundation.org. Be well
(03:15):
and be blessed.
Jeff Davis (03:23):
Good morning. Good morning. First and foremost, if
you don't know today, is Billy'sbirthday. So Happy birthday, my
friend. You've got the glory. Weabsolutely do. Yeah. And and
let's not lose sight of the factthat aside from your birthday
today is 911 a day ofremembrance, a solemn day of
(03:44):
remembrance for our nation. Andyou know, before I get any
further into myself, I just wantto make sure that we are aware
of that. And we take a moment topause and reflect on what has
happened since then, as well.
So thank you, thank you for thattime.
Billy Moore (04:06):
Actually, let's take a moment of silence.
Chief.
(04:26):
I was thinkingthat talked about it yesterday.
The way that we met andit start all started out we were
putting togethera segment of a million punches
from the heart or we punch outgang violence, racism,
disrespect, disrespect that thepolice have paid, I mean for the
(04:49):
community and the and thedisrespect that the community
have for the police. And we wereout at Allen's airway And
I think that was yours and myfirst meeting. Thank you. Right.
You know, as I recall,
Jeff Davis (05:11):
you had reached out to me just before that, okay.
And I still remember youintroduce yourself. I think it
was a phone call, and you said,I think we need to meet.
And so I did a littleresearching into Billy Moore and
the ABC Youth Foundation, and Irealized, I think I do need to
(05:35):
meet him. Yep. And and then wemay have met, like, I believe he
may have come into the officeright before that event. And
that was really the kickoff and,and I was, that was my baptism
to ABC and what you and thefoundation do for the young
people in your program. And Iwas hooked. After that. I was
(05:59):
absolutely hooked.
Billy Moore (06:01):
Well, and, and I remember I was,
was I was, I remember talkingwith you, you know, as it you
know, cheapest. I'm not. I'm notno ways at choirboy, nor have I
been and you said, well,no big deal. And so
I can't remember what the heckit was. But the next day, we
(06:24):
were supposed to meet that.
Not Alan's airfield, but overat.
It was a place where they makeairplane parts.
Jeff Davis (06:34):
I remember that.
Billy Moore (06:35):
And we had our kids that we came out, the TV was out
that was coming out.
And I was so tired.
and you and you and your littlewife
walked over to the car. Now sitin the car trying to rest on
about been to a party at nightbefore the sum and use it.
(06:56):
Billy.
You said you're right. Yes, sir.
And it was a darndest thisthing.
When you look, you look is gonnatell you something. I don't want
to see you like this anymore. Iwill see you healthy and feeling
good.
That's it, okay. Shewe've been friends ever since.
Jeff Davis (07:21):
I can't remember a time when
I met somebody. And right offthe bat felt a connection kind
of a kinship. And it's funny,you mentioned that because after
our first meeting,we talked quite a bit about
personal philosophies. Yes. Iremember going home and telling
my wife, I said, I met this guytoday. And we kind of see eye to
(07:43):
eye on things. And let her knowthat we were going to go to the
first event. And of course, shesaid, Well, I want to go Yeah.
And and ironically, after that,we had a conversation and she
said, I understand what you'resaying now. And and we we talk
(08:04):
about your billing. WeWe We realize it's
you know, how do I say this?
I've met a lot of good people Ireally have. But
it's unfortunately rare to meetreally genuine people anymore.
(08:27):
And maybe it has to do with myline of work. I don't know. So
when I do meet somebody likethat, it has a big impact on my
life. And my wife as well. And,you know, set aside what you do
for the community bill at theABC Youth Foundation. Yes.
I'm here right now, because ofyou. parents give God the glory
(08:52):
because of you. Thank you,Chief. Thank you. That means a
lot. Because
Billy Moore (08:58):
I like to share. I know sometimes in the past we've
been in board meetings not go totalking about
my shortcomings. In one of theboard members the ability.
We don't we really don't want tohear about your shortcoming.
That's okay. But you know, I wasreading
(09:19):
Paul, in the Bible. I know weprobably have some people that
that are atheists and but werespect all people. And but as
he says, He says, I brag aboutmy shortcomings, so that I don't
get to thinking that I'm morethan what I am. And I love
(09:41):
talking about my shortcomings.
Because I was yesterday and Iwas talking with terrorists and
I were talking and God placespeople in your life
and yourself and Terence Shiggand Dr. Bob
There are people that that'splaced in your life to help you
(10:04):
overcome your shortcomings. It'sencouraging,
is certain people that reallyencourage people, I don't care
how old you get this all, alwayssomeone placed in your life
to help encourage you, I amlearning that. And I welcome it,
(10:26):
I think the Lord for people likeyourself, and the people that I
just mentioned, butwe're here, one of the main
reasons we're here is for whatwe just got through talking
about, and maybe someone willhear that it'll resonate with
them, and add something to theirlife. But ABC.
(10:52):
What we do here is teach ouryoungsters how to step off in
life with their best footforward without cowardice, but
with courage and dignity. Inright now we have a situation
that's going on across hiscountry. And right now, I don't
believe it's getting any anybetter. I think it's kind of at
a low. Andthose of us that believe in
(11:14):
prayer, and believe in doingsomething positive, and we need
start doing it before it goesover the deep end.
We hear we when youngsters comethrough that door, we teach them
that respect, has to go bothways and we teach them how to
(11:44):
respect the elders, or thepeople that supposed to be in
charge of youngsters being ableto follow a guideline or some
guidelines. And right now,that's a little out of whack. So
that was one of the reasons Iwanted us to get together and
(12:05):
talk a little bit and see how weget on someone could hear this
conversation that we're having.
And we come up with a way towhere we would have mutual
respect. Not just respect, justgoing one way, but mutual
respect, the police respectedthe community enough to where
(12:30):
the community would maybe takesome lead and say, well, so let
me know, let me share some herereal quick with you. There was a
young man that came to ABC aboutthree years ago. And he came
from a family of a lot ofcriminal activity. And I said,
(12:51):
well, we're going around to thepolice department, he did not
meet. He's at that time. He'sprobably 1314 years old. And I
say, Well, if you're going tocome here, you want to mount the
police department in some way.
And so he kind of he gave in.
And we went around to the policedepartment when we left the
(13:13):
police department. He said,coach, I think I want to be a
police just like that. So, thatwas one of the reasons that led
me to ask you to would you comeon and let's do a podcast and
talk a little bit about what'sgoing on in our society, with a
(13:35):
with the community and with thepolice department.
Jeff Davis (13:41):
Well, that doesn't surprise me believe that this is
on your heart, and that you'retaking action. You know, you it
was a great segue actually intothis topic. You were mentioning
your shortcomings. And by theway, I don't see you the only
shortcomings I see and use yoursweet tooth. Terence guards
(14:05):
carefully. Yeah. that why Ididn't Bring up a doughnut. No.
And to me, Billy that speaks.
And I've thought about notspecifically the topic we're
talking about today, but more ona broader scale of what's going
on today on both sides. And youreally started this conversation
(14:29):
going down the path of exactlywhat I've been thinking about
and it's it's humility, whichthe Bible teaches as well. And
maybe and again, these are justmy opinions.
Billy Moore (14:49):
Yes, yes.
Jeff Davis (14:51):
And, and it's, it occurs to me that possibly sides
could benefit from a littlehumility. And being able to
understand where the otherperson's coming from, we just
(15:16):
had a conversation out in thelobby with one of your
Billy Moore (15:22):
Joe Sigurdson ,
Jeff Davis (15:23):
yeah, Joe from
Billy Moore (15:25):
Boys to Men.
Jeff Davis (15:26):
He related on I want to take a story. But it was a
great story. But it was verysimilar to that about him.
Having one of his mentees, wearhis shoes, and walk in those
shoes for just a bit, and thenmake a decision that Joe had to
make. And boy, couldn't we allbenefit from a little more of
(15:50):
that nowadays? Now, how thatplays out? I don't know. That's
going to be up to leaders likeyou, I think. But you're asking
my opinion. My opinion. And thiscertainly isn't just a simple
answer. But if we could allexercise a little humility,
(16:14):
accept our shortcomings. And indoing so accept the shortcomings
of others, and realize thereisn't there isn't just two sides
to every story. There's multiplesides.
Billy Moore (16:27):
Yes. Yes, it's a there's a how they see it,
there's Yes.There's my side.
This is what I've heard some oldgentlemen, a lot older than me
in the past. There's my side,your side. And then the truth,
something I it goes somethinglike that. But this is what
(16:53):
happened. And I won't mentionany names. But I, my dad, the
police used to drive down our
Jeff Davis (16:59):
I noticed.
street. And the majority of thetimes when the police drove down
our street. They didn't get offthat street until they went in
the house and played a game ofpool with you. And I was I was
(17:22):
raised that way. And the ChiefNieslet San Diego police, Him
and I have a good, good, goodrapport. We have a good report
ABC News. I'm not gonna say mebut ABC, our kids, when the kids
(17:43):
see our police they can call thepolice by the names. They can do
that. But, we haven't have acouple of young couple young
ladies that was doing somevolunteer work with us. And
after I think they saw a videoof us doing, doing, doing an
(18:05):
interview with the policedepartment. And it's really
really, it it. It hurt me morethan anything. But they sent
text they sent one to me one toTerence. So I'm not a texter I'm
a guy that I I like to ta k,
Billy Moore (18:28):
I like to talk so I picked up the phone I called
her. She said well let the texthit. Instructor more. I'm happy
to have you in my life. She saysbut if you're going to support
the police, then we can'tsupport ABC anymore. First of
(18:53):
all, I got angry. Because whatyou're calling me is something
that I'm not. I don't believe inkissing nobodies. But, I believe
in respecting them. I believe indoing that. So I call Terence.
Terence is kind of the type hecan just let want to roll off of
his back in a I can't do that.
I've got to do something aboutit. I have to but this time, I
(19:17):
did because I know what ABCstands for. I know kind of know,
both sides. Both sides of thetable, the public side and the
police side. So, with that, atmy church, Dr. John W. Ringold.
(19:43):
My wife and I and his wife.
We've been all over the country.
I think I've shared that withyou doing missionary work and a
lot of the work that I do on thefield I try and bring it into
what we do here at ABC, and walkby a lot of those guidelines.
(20:06):
So, we have something going onhere that I do agree with you is
going to take people like myselfand others, to do something to
make a difference. There was asituation that occurred the
other day, where a group ofpeople went to a police officers
(20:30):
home, went to his home, andprotested all about his home and
did some things towards hisfamily. It's very dis. It wasn't
right. Because when you startdoing things like that, and I
(20:58):
hope someone is listening tothis, that, was that was
involved with it. This wouldhappen to me years ago as a kid.
And it from time to time, I'lljump around a little bit because
different things come to mymind. I was there was a guy by
the name of Rufus KenyattaHackenhole. My data just got
(21:20):
gotten him out of San QuentinPrison. He was six, six weigh
245 pounds with a 32 inch waist.
And Rufuss, the nicest guy, man,but he had gotten involved with
a with a radical group. And sohe had came by the house, he was
(21:45):
talking to me, in kind of thewinter sounded good to me. And
so my dad, he act like he wasn'tlistening. And he's at the top
of the steps. I knew he was atthe top of the steps. Starting
with we went to go out the door,he came back. He said, Where are
you going? I see. I'm going tolet you know what you're going
(22:08):
to do is he said, you're goingto bring us back in his house,
and you're going to sit your assdown. That's what you're going
to do. So he said, Rufus you goahead, he said I'm gonna ask you
question. He said, Do you knowhow to you say Do you know how
to make a gun? No, sir. Did youknow how to make a missile?
(22:33):
That's a No, sir. Let me tellyou something, the best thing
you can do is learn how to helppeople. By using this, in first
of all going and finishing youreducation set, that's the best
thing you can do is yes, becausethis thing here is going to get
(22:59):
a lot of people killed. And Ithought about that, you're going
to go over a group of people aregoing to go to somebody's home,
mean in the front of somebody'shome, in being out in a parking
lot. Two different things. Firstof all, when you go into
(23:21):
somebody's living area, you'retreading on their territory. I
think God that nobody got hurtthat day, because someone very
well could have gotten hurt. Andit's possible. When you do
(23:42):
something like that, sometimespeople forget, sometimes they
don't forget. So, that's thefirst place I would like to
start that we would like tostart is to let our young people
know that you've got to becareful about the choices you
(24:02):
decide to make. You've got to becareful about the way you step
up into life with your best footforward. If you step up in life
with your best foot forward,you're going to really be
careful about the direction thatyou're going. But, on the other
(24:22):
hand, now, a lot of those peoplethey can defend their point of
view because of what they'veseen happen with the police and
our citizens. I think there's anumber of people that died. So
it's going to take a lot ofpraying and a lot of putting one
(24:48):
another in each other'sfootsteps.
Jeff Davis (24:53):
Well said I couldn't agree more. Billy, you know, and
you're yeah, strong, strong Dad,you're blessed. Yeah. And and
that story that you relayed isalmost like a metaphor. And he
was right. I think, well, I, Isuspect nowadays, not just young
(25:17):
people, but a lot of people arebeing pulled in a direction. And
they feel based on theiremotion, that it's the right
direction to go, whether they'refriends, or even family or
pulling them in that direction.
And and if I if I if anybodyever asked my opinion or advice
on that, it would be similar towhat you said if it's if it's
(25:41):
the decision you make, couldhave dire consequences.
Regardless, if you're a youngperson or an old person, it
would probably be wise to take asecond and look into the facts
first, yes, before you make adecision, before you follow
(26:05):
somebody that you think isright, you probably wouldn't do
that normally in life. You wouldwant to think on your own and
make your own decisions. And Iunderstand that it can be
difficult, I understand,especially for younger folks,
they may not have access tosomebody who is wise as you or
(26:28):
your father, I would, I wouldsuggest seeking somebody out
that you trust and feelcomfortable. ABC is a good
example. You can and get arelationship with somebody who
you can ask in. Maybe you can,you can add to this, it seems
(26:51):
like right now. This eitheryou're on this side, or that
side has led to a situationwhere people don't want to
accept something they don'tbelieve in. Because they think
that they have to practice that.
I can accept that you have adifferent opinion. But I don't
(27:13):
have to practice that. But Irespect you have a different
opinion. And it's getting backto the humility issue. It's okay
for people to not agree withyou. And it's okay for you not
to agree with other people. Andyou kind of alluded to the fact
(27:35):
of Well find out the factsfirst, and speak intelligently
or at the very least, learn asmuch about what's going on, so
you can make a good decision,not just based on emotion. And
regardless of your lot in life,how old you are, what your
(27:56):
experiences are you and I bothreally know that emotions never
go away. You know, I got cut offon the way driving here on the
freeway, and boy, my emotionswere about to take over. But
that was an opportunity for meto take a step back and ask
myself, Well, why am I upset?
That guy probably didn't evensee me. And it was probably not
(28:17):
intentional. So I base myreaction on on the facts that I
saw at the time and, and didn'thonk my horn or Yeah. And I
think that's kind of what you'realluding to right now is is if
you don't feel like you have theresources or somebody you know,
(28:39):
I'm talking to a man right now,who is a resource Billy Moore
and ABC foundation. And, youknow, I can tell you in my 33
years in law enforcement, Ican't say I've met very many
people as genuine as, as thisman and i and i would trust your
advice.
Billy Moore (29:03):
I liked that Chief.
I liked it. What, what, whatwe'd like to do this segment,
because this is a segment thatwe're going to have a few of
these segments and hoping andpraying that you'll come back.
But in the meantime, what we'dlike to call this here, which I
(29:28):
still do is name just pass thathe believed in getting in good
trouble. john lewis, john lewis,so we want to call this segment
good trouble. Good trouble.
Let's uh, let's go out and ourlisteners, let's go out and get
into good trouble. And that way,it won't come back positive.
Jeff Davis (29:52):
Amen. to that.
Billy Moore (29:53):
I want to thank you, Chief.
Jeff Davis (29:54):
Thank you for inviting me
Billy Moore (29:55):
And tell that lovely wife of yours. I said
hello and in
Jeff Davis (30:01):
You know, she's gonna sneak a donut to you.
Billy Moore (30:06):
Thank you so much, Chief.
Jeff Davis (30:07):
Thank you. Thank you very much.
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