Episode 82: Comedian-William Wheeler

Comedian William Wheeler joins Curt to talk pro wrestling (of course!), comedy, comedians murdering their fathers and more!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Thanks for tuning in. In the Right Podcast, Episode eighty
two got an awesome guest today. William Wheeler is Our
guests had a fun talk with him, talked about comedy,
professional wrestling of course, talked about local comedian murdering and

(00:22):
his father. If you haven't seen my special yet, go
check it out on YouTube. Ginger Snaps is what it's
called Open bar Comedy. Go check it out. My video
that was talked about last time, the viral video, and
it's got about six hundred and eighty five videos on it.
It's pretty good. It's on my Facebook page. I want

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to go check it out and add to that total.
Try and get it to a million every pretty neats.
Do you have some shows coming up? Let's see November Thursday,
November twenty first, Santa Fe the Gean Cocteau Theater, and
then November twenty second and twenty third it'll be at
Loonies and Colorado Springs with Nick Off headlining. So come

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come check out the show if you're into town that
I'm in, Santa Fe, Colorado Springs. Also check out my
website Funny Fletcher dot com or intharrye podcast dot com.
You can buy stickers. On Funny Fletcher dot com or
if you want T shirts you can hit me up.
You know I have those on my website, but.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Hit me up.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Also thanks to Jared Reddick from Bowling for Soup for
intro music, John Singleton rom Anesthesia for outro music. All right,
let's go, let's go talk to William Wheeler. Everybody. It's
a fun one.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
His name is a really funny guy and this is
his podcast in the Drive.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
William Wheeler, what's up, buddy?

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Not that much, man, It's the best day of my life.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Are you? I can tell you're pretty pretty pumped? You
hung up all your autographed photos for me? Is that
Chuck Norris?

Speaker 2 (02:19):
I do Chuck Norris. That's one of my Uh, it's
one of my favorite ones. In terms of a person,
uh Sting is probably equal to him in terms of music,
killed Golden. In terms of how the autograph aesthetically looks,
probably Linda Blair from the Exorcist because she wrote it

(02:42):
in green ink. It looks like she stuck her finger
in the vomit and then autographed it.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
That's awesome. Is that? Uh?

Speaker 2 (02:51):
It takes take you on a journey?

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah, please do.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
There we go. That's written in green.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
It's awesome.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
That's super cool. Man, Is it mean Gene Okerhoand.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
No, that's Howard Finkel. They used to be the ring
announcer for, like when Hulkgan was famous in his prime.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Oh okay, it looks like me and Gene kind of.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah, the very similar body types and aesthetics.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, it's hard to see it.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah, I actually met him before he passed away. I
started collecting autographs when I got out of the Navy,
and so I started collecting. I went to my first
cong kN January of twenty sixteen, and then I've just
been going to them consistently ever since. So now I
almost have the all my front room covered in autographs.
And I haven't counted them, but I think I'm around

(04:04):
one hundred autographs, maybe ninety.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Oh really, Yeah, what's your favorite?

Speaker 2 (04:16):
So probably currently it's probably Sting or Chuck Norris, but
probably Sting because I fangirled in front of him pretty hard,
and then maybe the I did get some new ones recently.
A unique one I got recently was Priscilla Pressley. I

(04:38):
went to the Salt Lake City Comic Con, so I
got her autograph. That was kind of like an odd,
odd person to see. But that was cool nonetheless, Yeah, cool. Yeah,
I'm trying to get more autographs where it has like
multiple people on the same picture because I'm running into
a unique problem in my collecting where like I have

(04:59):
to be conscious of the space of you know, displaying
these things because like if I can't display them anymore,
like I'm not going to collect anymore. I don't want
them to just like my comic books just sit in
a box collecting dust.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Yeah, I understand that. Yeah, do you have any like
comedians comedians?

Speaker 2 (05:19):
I have Tom Arnold. I do have Tom Arnold. Yeah,
I met him and uh I met him at the
last Albuquerque Comic Con. Oh cool, Yeah, I want to
get more. Let me make well, let me double check
real quick because like there it's literally like three sixty
all the way out here. Let me just rotate the thing.

(05:40):
You can see all of those things are signed. I
used to have a giant flag right there. All those
are signed.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yeah, it's yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Then I got more on the und the thing right there.
So it's it's been a journey for sure. Like meeting
it's fun when you meet some of these people, like
they're they're there to play and like they're they're in
a good mood. And then there's other there's other people
they're just like, man, why do we have to have

(06:11):
a conversation kind of just sign your thing and we
go about our lives. Yeah, so I understand, I get that.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Uh yeah, that's fun. Man. Remember I always make the
comic cons. I've been to quite a few too. I
don't know if I've ever gotten an autograph at a
comic con, but uh, I guess I did for my nephew.
He was too shy to ask for one from this
lady who does voices like on his favorite anime or whatever.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Nice. Yeah, voice actors are fun. I've met John Cassier
who did the voice for the crypt Keeper and yeah,
uh I'm blinking on this guy's name, but he did
the voice for a Kurt the Cowardly Dog. And then
I met the guy that did the voice for a
Space Ghosts to Coach. Yeah, he was cool. He was

(07:04):
a fun he was a fun person to meet and
just like watch giving autographs because he like people that
went to meet him for Space ghost He would say
it like I could see him improving. Weird guests that
were on the show on every autograph, Like every autograph
he was giving was different. He would say on tonight's show,

(07:26):
Tobo the Talking Chicken, and then like like three things,
and then he would sign his name.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Oh that's cool.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah. I always appreciate when they when they put a
little thought and effort into what they're saying, along with
the color of the marker and where the placement of
everything is going to be, because you know, you're probably
gonna unless you sell them, but probably not if you're
going to a con, but if you if you go

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out of your way to meet these people, you're probably
gonna have these autographs till you're dead. Yeah, so you
wanted to look nice and dude, there's I have a
couple on the wall right now. I won't say who,
but uh, just like you can barely see the thing,
and like you, unless you know where the autograph is,
you would miss it.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Oh really?

Speaker 2 (08:14):
And yeah, like, well, I mean here's one right here.
I have. I have both of these. I have both
gold Dust and Terry Reynolds signed up on here. Gold Dust.
You know, Terry kind of wrote in gold right here,
and then she wrote big enough, she wrote in black,
but she wrote big enough for you to see the
autograph gold Dust. He has a he has a nice autograph,

(08:35):
but dude, he wrote in black and is right there
on his leg kind of barely see it. Uh. The
guy I'm already going back. And when I said the
guy that played Prince Humperdink, he wrote his in like
a red ink, which kind of matches the red royal
outfit he wears in the movie. And it's just like

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you can barely see the thing. It's like, why, man,
what are we doing here? But like what really will
like get me like like I'll start to boil under
the surface, is if they'll if they just like grab
over him, grab the marker and just like scribble. Jeff
Goldbloom did that. He just over him, grabbed the marker,

(09:18):
and he's just like going through people, which I can
appreciate if you're only there for the com con for
one day and you just have a line of people
to get through. But like, man, we're paying like some
decent money for some of these things and you're just
kind of sucking it off, you.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Know, Yeah, yeah, that's not cool. Jeff Coildboom. Yes, I
think I'm gonna use apartments dot com now. I don't
think so.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah, that's cool. Man. I met the uh, the guy
who created Mystery Science Theater three thousand one time out
a con here in Albuquerque. That's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Did you get to pick his brain at all?

Speaker 1 (09:59):
No, I gotta chat with him, like very briefly, like
a minute or two. I just you know, tell him
how much I love the show and all that. So
I didn't really get to ask him questions. But it
was cool to kind of like shake his hand and
meet him and stuff. You know.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Nice. It's always cold when you meet someone that had
left that's like unique and pop culture that way. M
you know, yeah, you don't. Yeah, even if you don't
get to specifically talk about the thing that they're known for,
you get in a conversation you can see how like
the gears in their mind work, you know.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Yeah. I've told this story a bunch on this podcast.
But I met Lou for Rigno, and I knew I
was going to meet him, so I I messed with
him a little bit because the guy, the guy I
knew that was going to introduce me to him, was
really good friends with him and told me he had
a good sense of humor. So I pretended I knew
him from something other than the whole. I uh, I

(11:03):
just looked at his IMDb page and he was a
character called the Klondike Butcher on Night Court. Okay, like
no way, Klondike Butcher from Night Court.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yes, I think they appreciate it when you call out
something that's not the norm, keeps it fresh.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah, or if you're like legit, like a fan of
something else they did that wasn't very big.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah, Like I met at the at the Salt Lake
City com Con. I met what's his name, Kelsey Grammar,
uh from Fraser, and like, obviously Fraser is popular, but
I was, like, genuinely I loved the movie Down Periscope
that he was in, not the submarine crew that that
he uh he was commanding. It's a comedy and in

(11:51):
terms of how I used to be on a submarine
in the Navy, So in terms of how the crew acts,
that is the most accurate submar movie ever made. Oh
really Yeah. In terms of like operations, yeah, you got
other movies that are more accurate, But in terms of
the demeanor of the crew as a whole.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Down her Scopes pretty Oh yeah, that's cool, man, I
remember that movie. Yeah, I probably would have talked to
him about being side showed Bob.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Heck to bounce off of Loof for Regno. When I
met him at where was it It was Rhode Island
of twenty seventeen. I didn't know he was like partially
deaf and so like I met him, and then I
went with my girlfriend at the time, and I didn't
know much about Loof Fregno outside of the Hulk, And

(12:44):
I was walking away and I told my girlfriend like, hey, man,
I didn't know he was from like Europe or something.
He has an interesting accent. She's like, no, Dunny, he's
fucking deaf. I'm like, oh, I do I feel like
an asshole?

Speaker 1 (12:58):
A good thing? You didn't say that to.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yeah, no, I I like to suffer in silence most times.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yeah, that's good. He probably wouldn't hurt you anyway.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
But still, yep, yep, yep, yep.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Man, his hand is did you shake his hand?

Speaker 2 (13:19):
I did shake his hand, like before we even like
closed hands. His fingers were already at my own.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
It was. It was insane. Same with John Cena. John
Cena also had like humongous hands. Shaking his hand was
like shaking a forearm. Oh yeah, mm hmmm, A lot
a lot of bodybuilders and wrestlers. Uh back, that was
the same Cain Caine was probably Yeah. I don't know

(13:45):
how tall lou Fregnant was, but oh, lou Fregnant was
a big guy. Cain might have been the largest human
being I've ever stood next to. Really, yeah, in terms
of just combination of like mass and height.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Yeah, I like a mayor somewhere now.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
He is still as far as I was still acting
there in Knox County, Tennessee.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yeah. Yeah, my cousin lives in Knoxville. He was telling
me that I think it was Kane. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yeah. If you ever listen to him talk, he's very
articulate about a lot of it's shocking.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yeah, Oh go ahead, sir.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
I met an MMA fighter one time in Tulsa. He
had an MMA Jim. I forget what his first name was,
but his last name was Nagura. But his fist was
the size of my face, like he was just like
it was just gigantic. Like I couldn't imagine getting punched
from that dude.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yeah, I you know, I've gone in and out of
taking martial arts classes and stuff. And on a base level,
I'm like, Okay, I feel comfortable defending myself, even getting
into a scrap with a person or two. But and
then you meet someone that's just born to do stuff
like that, and it's like like trying to trying to

(15:07):
box with this guy's like my arms are too short,
you know, to box with God. You know what I'm saying.
It's like I'm gonna lose, or even if I win,
I don't have three hours to invest into a single fight,
you know, because they he would just be playing with
you for the first two hours and fifty nine minutes

(15:29):
and you just get lucky with a punch or a kick.
You know. This is just me fantasizing about winning against
someone that big.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah, that's a that's a lengthy fight too, dude. Yes,
you don't think you'd tap out after I don't know
how your conditioning is, but I'd probably tap out in
about fifteen minutes at least.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah. Honestly though, like if you ever sparred with anyone
two three minutes, five minutes, you get tired.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
If it's non stop. Yeah, yeah, it's like one and
a half minutes for me.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
It's not like hardcore Henry or or like a crazy
action packed movie, you know, yeah, or or the Family
Guy Chicken Fight.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah yeah, I get tired of just watching that thing.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Yeah yeah, yeah, same here, man.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
So you've been a you've been a wrestling fan your
whole life.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah, ever since I started watching it or like Solid
TV for the first time as a kid, because you know,
it's they're basically live action cartoons, you know. Yeah, so
I'm like, man, what is this my uh So, the
first time I laid eyes on wrestling on TV was
I was like eight ish, maybe nine, you know, and

(16:54):
around that time, you know, gimmicks were still pretty heavy,
so you still you see someone like the Undertakers, like, oh,
look at what's the zombie? And you see Mankind and Kane,
people that wear masks and see around that time, the
Monday Night Wars were happening between ww At the time,
WWF and w CW they both had their flagship shows

(17:16):
on the same day at the same time. You flip
over to w CWC a guy with face paint, you know,
sting and then all these characters and it's like, man,
what's going on? And my dad wouldn't let me watch it?
And then I had to kind of, like, you know,
watch it, you know, vicariously through my friends who would
come and tell me what happened, you know, the next

(17:37):
day at school, and then I finally figured out a
way to like watch it on my own. I'm like, yo,
this is the best thing it's ever happened. And now, No,
I love wrestling, and I know this is a weird connection,
but I also love clowns because they're they're live action cartoons,
you know. You know, the first time I went to

(17:57):
a circus and I saw the clowns, one of them
threw his head back. He started crying five feet in
both directions, I'm like, Yo, this is the coolest thing
I've ever seen, Like I've never that was like like
a cool flavor of comedy without words. I'd never seen

(18:18):
it before. I'm like, you know, and then you see
the same thing with wrestling, with some of the gimmicks.
Like with wrestling, I'll make this argument all day long. Wrestling,
no matter what time period you watch it or like
you watch a clip from is always a reflection of
society at the time, because you see the good guys
that they push or bury, you see the bad guys

(18:40):
that they push or bury and it's it's interesting.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
It's fun Yeah, it's funny because a lot of these
episodes turn into wrestling talk. It's a lot of comedians
really love wrestling.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah, I mean for good reason.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Oh yeah, yeah, I loved it, man, like when I
was a kid. So when I was a kid, I'm
quite a bit older than you, I think. You know,
Hull Hogan and Andre the Giant going to war was
like a big thing for me. Like that was worse
than my parents getting divorced. Like those two they were
they were my two favorite wrestlers and they were best
friends and stuff. And then when they turned on each other,

(19:22):
I was like, what is going on?

Speaker 2 (19:23):
You know? Yeah? Yeah, and we all And I know
you remember this just as well as I do. That
episode of Piper's Pit where Hull Cogan is talking to
Rowdy Piper and Andrea the Giant comes out with Brian
the Brain, Heenan and and he just like rips hulks
shirt off of them. The world w WE jumpionship.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah yeah, did you watch the You probably watched the
Netflix thing about Vince McMahon, right.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
I did. I benched it in like two sittings.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah, I watched the whole thing in one day. But yeah,
it was interesting when they were talking when Hulgan was
talking about that match and he didn't know who was
going to win until the match was happening.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah. You hear that more often than not, where the
wrestlers actively in the match don't know what's gonna happen
five until five minutes before or even during the match. Yeah,
and it's like, man, we as fans get kind of
kind of go on an emotional roller coaster, but for them,
that's their likelihood. They don't know. They literally don't know

(20:33):
their future. And so it's like, yeah, wonderful when when
you think the guy's gonna kick out and then he
lays on his back for all three taps and you're like,
holy shit, I'm the champion.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah, I think, Yeah, I bet they do that. So
they get like a legit reaction, you.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Know, probably probably what did you think?

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Do you remember how, oh, sorry, do.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
You remember how HBK reacted when he won his first
WWF championship? Basically basically it was it was him just
like staring at the thing, almost crying over it.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Okay, I'm trying to remember when I stopped watching I
feel like I stopped before Hogan like switched over to
being a heel mm hmm when he went to I
think he went to WCW or something like that and switched.

(21:33):
So I remember like the Ultimate Warrior, you know, and uh,
who else I don't remember now, I don't know. Yeah,
I stop watching, you know when I was like probably
when I moved to New Mexico. But yeah, my grandpa
was a huge wrestling fan. He used to get like
wrestling magazines all the time.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
You know.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
It had like all like a bunch of cool pictures
from matches you didn't get a c and stuff like that,
and like it had like a list of like it
would talk about different different organizations that weren't on TV
and stuff too, so you got to read about wrestlers
that weren't ever on TV and things like that. That
was kind of cool.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
That's fun. That's fun when you get to see a
little bit more kind of behind the scenes, but like
a peek into the business on the things that they
don't show on TV, people that are jobbers or mid
carters that would normally only perform on dark matches. That's fun.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, my I remember reading about Rick Flair before I
ever got to see him on TV, because we did.
We did have the what was it called whatever one
that the van Erks were in, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Oh the Fabulous Thunderbirds. No, that's the band.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Whatever organization was the one that their dad ran.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
It was like the n W A, A, B, C,
D E F G something like that. Those old wrestling
promotions had like seven letters in the name.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. They used to show that after school
all the time. So I was always a big Kevin
von Eric fan. My brother liked Carrie van Eric and
uh I remember a couple of the wrestlers from there
ended up going to the w w F that was
kind of cool.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Which one uh wow, remind me please which one was
of the von Erics. Which one was the muscular one
that had the finisher where he would like like spin
around and like hit you with his forearm.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
That was Carrie that was carried without shoes. Kevin wrestled
without shoes, Yeah, Carrie. I didn't. I didn't know this
about Carrie until I watched the movie about them. But
he had like a prosthetic foot. I had no idea. Yeah,
because the first time he beat Rick Flair, he went

(24:01):
out partying and got a motorcycle accident. Oh dang, Yeah,
I didn't, yeh, I didn't know that until I saw
the movie.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
How's the movie? I've been kind of slacking on seeing it.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
It's so good. I went and saw. I was the
only person in the theater, so it was kind of cool.
I had the theater myself. But yeah, it was so good.
It didn't even get a touch on a lot of
the stuff. There was another brother that they didn't even
show in the movie. But yeah, they all died except
for Kevin.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Oh. Yeah, it's it was really a tragedy, you know,
when you see like the height of their you know, greatness,
and then just how everything plays out. I heard a
lot of people that weren't and are still not wrestling fans,
they just that went saw it and they just loved it.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Yeah. Yeah, because you'll tear up for sure.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Yeah. Is it more about the familial ties and them
like making it than the actual wrestling.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
I think there's a good combination of both. But yeah,
there's a lot of that. Yeah. Yeah, it's a it's
a great movie though, especially if you love wrestling. Man,
it's uh, you know, it's a it's a cool story.
I mean, I mean, it's not cool that they all died,
but right yeah, r I P yeah, but it's it's uh,

(25:24):
it's interesting, especially if you like wrestling though, and like
you know, like I said, I was a huge Kevin
von Eric fan, so yeah, I definitely wanted to see it.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah. Have you seen the thirty for thirty on Rick Flair? Oh?

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yeah, nice?

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Yeah, that one was good. I liked how when like,
as they were telling stories, they would animate some of
the stories they were talking about. I was like, this
is a cool touch.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
I don't know if they do that for all the
thirty for thirties. That was the only I don't think
they do. Oh okay, well that's that makes it more special.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
That's yeah. Yeah. One of my friends that used to
do stand up his his dad grew up in Minneapolis,
and I think it was his uncle that used to
play like neighborhood football with Ric Flair. That's good, that's cool. Yeah.

(26:20):
And then I had a I had a comedian friend
that worked for Rick Flair when he was younger, and
he got drunk with Rick one time that he was
just fucking nuts.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Yeah, how did in what capacity did he.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Work for him? I don't remember exactly. He used to
like work parties that he would throw and stuff like
I think he did like catering and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Okay, yeah, school, Yeah, it's always fun. It's always fun
to hear stories that work from people at work around
these super famous people like who ever knew if you
embark on a career path of being a tailor, you
just work with clothes and then you end up doing
all the costumes for the wrestlers. Yeah, Like I think

(27:11):
I forget his name, but Mantra Man Randy Savage had
one guy that made all of his jackets, all of
his pants and everything his hats. Yeah, and he's like, dude,
this it was one of the best gigs I've ever had.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
I bet man, that'd be cool.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yeah, you're not just making clothes, but you get to
I mean, I'm sure if you're in that line of work,
you already have like an artistic minded brain, and so
you get to like really get super creative with the
color combination and like the shapes that are on just
how it just aesthetically looks from head to toe, you know.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Yeah, especially Macho Man, he had such like a unique
look to him. You know, so you get to create,
you know, based around his persona. You know, I think
that's that's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Yeah, he's I think manchra man is going to be
one of those weird personalities that just lives on, kind
of like Freddie Mercury throughout pop culture, despite you ever
knowing their body of work. You just know the person
because they were such a you know, bright, colorful personality.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah, definitely. Have you heard Dan Soder's macho man impression?

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Oh it's perfect, dude. It is like on point. It's
not just like the loud, loud parts of him talking.
He also does like the normal, like almost whisper level
manche man.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Yeah. It's funny because he did that voice in a cartoon.
I forget the cartoon now, but but I remember hearing it.
I was like, oh, it's got to be Dan Soder
doing that voice for sure.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yeah. And he could do a lot of good voices too.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
I've heard him do Dave Chappelle. I've heard him Dodiam
that's awesome. Yeah. I can't even do a damn minute. Okay, Yeah,
that was great. How good is your macho man boys?

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Oh? I don't know. I haven't even tried dude, I
don't think I could do it. No, No, I'll try
later on though, and then not around people or something.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Not around people. Yeah, can I give you mine?

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Yeah, I try yours.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Let me sit up real quick, bent over the cream
of the crupezus to the top and oh cooping. You
had to get your honk dog in the greenstond and
didn't you.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
That's awesome. That's pretty solid. It's not Dan Soders, but
it's pretty damn good.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
It's not Dan Sodors, but you know, I'll do my best.
Hell yeah, still got to work on the whisper part
of it.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Yeah, at least you've been practicing. That's good. That's fun.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Voices are fun. Yeah, you give yourself permission to be
silly and just shameless with how you sound and look.
You wouldn't lock some fun pathways?

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah. Yeah. SODA's always had a great voice too, Like
he used to do radio, Like when when I first
met him, he was doing radio and Tucson and uh,
because I think he went to school out in Tucson,
so he used to work at the He would perform
at the comedy club there and then he would he
came out to the comedy club here years ago. That's

(30:37):
where I met him. It was probably like two thousand
and seven or something like that, Like he was like
still in college and shit. And then when he was
done with college, he moved out to New York, got
a radio gig out there. He's been doing pretty good.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Heck yeah, oh yeah, no, he's killing it right now.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Yeah, but man, can't miss Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, he's awesome, man. And he's super nice too. You know,
I haven't talked to you.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah, yeah, of all the obviously, you've been doing comedy
for a pretty good amount of time. Who are some
of the coolest people, never mind how good of a
comedian they were. Who were some of the coolest comics
you've ever met?

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Coolest comics? Brian Postsain for sure, dude, he's fucking super cool.
Jim Norton was awesome. THEO Vaughn is a good dude.
I've known him for a long time. You know Jackie
cash Is She tours with Marie Damford a lot.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
That name sounds familiar.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
I mean you you would probably know her if you
saw She's awesome. Kyle Kanaane, have you met him?

Speaker 2 (31:56):
I missed. I could have met him. He was performing
at the Drafty kilt a long time ago and I
was just busy. I uh, I missed him unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Yeah, he's great. One of my favorites was Carl Lebau,
who was like Sam Kinnison's best friend. So he he
passed away a few years ago, but he was like
part of the comedy Outlaws with Kennison, Bill Hicks and
those guys, and uh, yeah, dude, I just I just
did one show with or two shows with him in

(32:28):
one night, and he was the nicest dude. Man. For
some reason, I thought he was going to be an asshole,
just because he was like an old school guy, you know,
and like I don't know, I just for some reason
thought he was going to be and uh, dude, he
was the nicest guy. Like I Right when I came
off of stage, he was like the first guy there
like to greet me. He's like, dude, you're fucking funny man.

(32:49):
He's like, let's chat after the Show's all right, It's
super nice. So you know, it's it's funny because it's
like I haven't met too many people who had consider
assholes in this business, and the only ones that I
have are like nobody's you know, so those kind.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Just don't last.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yeah, yeah, and I'm sure you being an asshole and
you stop getting booked unless you're selling tickets.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
So yeah, you just have to you have to have
such an amazing amount of talent and like nothing less
than you're the best to like act that way for sure,
because like it gets tiring being around something that's angry
all the time. That's partially why I got out of
the Navy. Like some of the old cheat like like

(33:41):
older people in the Navy, they're just like needless mind you,
this was the Submarine Force. I don't know how sure
the surface Navy is the same way. They're just needlessly mean, needlessly,
needlessly an asshole. Now, on the other side of the coin,
I do find it delicious when you're an asshole and
the person on the receiving end deserves it. Oh I

(34:03):
have I have witnessed some delicious flamethrowings. I'm like, this
is my favorite movie right now. I've also like witnessed
some of the best rants, angry rants in the Navy,
which was like, yeah, I agree with everything that you said,
but there's some people where like if you're an asshole
and you come across another asshole, but they're controlled with

(34:28):
like how they deliver that's holary. Really mean pranks get
played on you. Oh yeah, Like I've peed in someone's
coffee maker. I've personally cut my peeps into tiny little
pieces and put it into someone's chewing tobacco. I've I've
done my fair share of fighting for the people. You know.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah, I thought you're gonna be like, I've murdered a
guy or two. That's not a prank, William, You're.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
It is? If your a necromancer, that's not so much fun?
Is it a lame? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (35:18):
When did you get out of the Navy?

Speaker 2 (35:20):
I was in from twenty to November seventeenth, twenty ten,
to November seventeenth, twenty fifteen. I was in a fiday.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
So when did you start doing stand up?

Speaker 2 (35:32):
It was shortly after I got out of the Navy.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
I So I got out of the Navy and then
I just kind of chilled for about a month to
unwind from the military a little bit and then figure
out what I was going to do.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
And so I got out fifteen and I started doing
it June or July of twenty sixteen. I went to
the box if for I think I was on a
date or something. I went on a Wednesday to the
box for an improv jam, and that's where I met

(36:08):
Tito and Elena, and there they're my comedy parents are
the one that got me into it. Tito at the
time was running the Bozy Brothers open mic on Sundays,
and so I went and I went every Sunday for
a month and I was like, oh, this is fun.
And I recorded my first set, so like I get

(36:30):
reminded of reminded of that set once a year on Facebook.
I'm like, wow, writing aside, my stage presence has improved
so much more and definitely in that first year of
me doing stand up, I looked like a popsicle stick.
I stood there super straight. I didn't look to the
left or to the right. It was just a struggle

(36:52):
to remember everything I wrote down on a piece of
paper that I wanted to say, trying to figure out
how to talk to people in that format. And even
when I would power through hecklers too, like that was
the cool. That was like the one weird good thing
that I about being at that level of sucking comedy.

(37:12):
You will power through hecklers, like people would talk at me,
and I was just just trudging along. I until my
my set was done, and I didn't even acknowledge their
existence frankly and uh. And then once I got more
comfortable on stage, then I started acknowledging heckler's a little

(37:32):
bit more, which I'm not sure if it's a good
thing or a bad thing. But I don't know. I
don't know if being conscious of everything is always good,
you know.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Yeah, yeah, A lot of times the heckler like if
you can't hear him, and then you ask them to
repeat it, then they don't repeat it, and then it's like, okay,
well that was a that that that went nowhere? You know. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
I saw clip of you recently where someone asked you, like,
where's Waldo. You're like, fuck, I don't know. And then
the guy was like is he a white guy? And
he's like, I don't know, but I was listening to
the audio book and it was silent for forty minutes
and then finally says, there he is.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
He's why.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
I was like that that's a fun heckler response.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Yeah, yeah, that was a laugh from Tucson. There's always
some pretty good hecklers. There are pretty stupid ones that
you can deal with Yeah, that's probably where I get
most of my heckler videos is from that club.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Yes, do you find it easier to deal with smart
or dumb hecklers, if there's such a thing.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Yeah, well I think they're all dumb.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Some of them are just like, I don't know, you
just like we we had one guy the other night.
I was at the end of the Mountain Gods and
this guy kept heckling the openers and they just I
couldn't understand a word he was saying. And then like
one of his heckles was like from three jokes previous.
So the dude's like, what are you even talking about?
You know? So when I got up there, I was like,

(39:14):
I'm not going to fucking talk to you. I was like,
I can't understand what the fuck you're saying, So you
just shut the hell up during my set, you know.
But yeah, sometimes you just I don't know, you just
can't understand him, and it's like, come on, dude, just
shut the fuck up. But some of them will say
some really dumb shit and you can make fun of him,

(39:36):
you know. Usually the crowd's on your side, so you can.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Usually pay whatever you want. Yeah, I mean especially if
they paid you know, fill in the blank amount of
money to go see you. They wanted to succeed. Yeah,
it takes a special kind of masochist to pay money
to suffer, you know. Yeah, a masochist or someone in

(40:01):
philosophy class, like there's no good without evil and vice versa.
I like to experience bad shit so I can appreciate
the good shit more.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
That's funny. Yeah, I So I started out, like, I
worked at a comedy club for years, so I got
to watch, you know, how headliners would deal with hecklers
and stuff all the time. So that was kind of
cool to see how the professional guys did it, you know,
because when I started out, I didn't know what I
was doing. I'd just be like, shut up, bitch.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
You know, have you ever just like let you know,
the flood gates break and you just tell someone like
don't let me catch you in the parking lot? I,
you know what, It takes a lot to upset me.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
But I was doing a show one night in Madrid
or Madrid, I don't know how people pronounce it here,
but little town up by Santa Fe and this dude
was I just he was just saying something after every joke,
and I just fucking snapped on the dude and just
yelled at him and shit, and like, I wish I

(41:10):
could remember what I say. I didn't. I didn't tape
that set or anything, but I snapped at that dude
pretty good. And then there was another time where I
was I was hosting, Like this was years ago. It
was like probably like two thousand and five or six.
I was hosting at this club in Colorado Springs, and
uh this dude was sitting right in the front row

(41:35):
and I told like three jokes and he commented after
every single one of them, and uh so I was like,
all right, I got to say something to him if
he does it again. And then so I see the
security guard walking over because he notices what's going on.
I was like, all right, security guard's there, I could
say whatever the fuck I want. So I tell another

(41:55):
joke and he chimes in again, and I go, dude,
if you don't shut the fuck up, I'm gonna punch
your girlfriend in the face. And then the security guy
stopped and watched to see what his reaction was. And
then I just told another joke. That guy didn't say
shit the rest of the night. I kind of had

(42:17):
to explain to the crowd that was going on because
I feel like a lot of them didn't know what
was going on because he was in the front row.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
They just hear the threat of violence, like music stops,
the pianists just.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Yeah. So I was just like, I noticed the crowd
was like, what, what the fuck? And I was like, sorry,
he wouldn't shut the fuck up. Oh man. So yeah,
that's always fun.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Have you ever? Yeah, human communication is so fascinating. Dude. Like, tomorrow,
I'm gonna be thirty four, and I I tell people sincerely,
I feel like I've been learning how to speak English
for thirty four years and it's my only language. Yeah,
a buddy of mine, I'll never this was probably my

(43:08):
first the first seed of philosophy planted in my life.
Early in my life a guy I used to work
with that cabinet shop. His name's Robert. I still hang
out with him to this day. He's originally from Mexico. See.
He learned how to speak Spanish first, obviously, then he
moved to the States and learned English equally as fluently

(43:30):
as Spanish. Impressive, And I asked him one day, Hey, Robert,
have you ever thought about learning more languages? You got
the two big ones down. And it impressed me, not
just with what he said, but like how quickly he
said it, because like without missing a beat, he was like, bro,
why do I learn more languages? That would just mean
more people can understand how much of a fucking dumbss
I am. And I sat for like a pregnant five minutes.

(43:53):
I'm like, Robert, that might be the most profound thing
I've ever heard at this point in my life.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Okay, that's awesome, man. Yeah, oh funny.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Yeah, and yeah, it just sits with me almost every day.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Yeah. Yeah, that's great man. Happy early birthday by the way.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
And that's awesome, thank you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Yet, yeah, I'm ten years older than you.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Man, ten years older than you.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
I'm ten years older than you.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Oh okay, okay, sorry I switched multi verses for a second.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Yeah, no, it's all good. I was just thinking of
all the WrestleMania as you missed.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Yeah, like, man, all the all that pay per view money.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Yeah. I feel like for a long time, when I
was a kid, it was just on TV. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yeah, I feel like at this point in my life,
I my decisions kind of start to matter now.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Yeah, it's like I can't. I can't really fuck off
choices as nonchalantly as I used to. Now I have
to give a choice like at least five seconds of
thought before I'm like okay, onto something else.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
Yeah oah, yeah, So what got you into comedy by
the way, Like, were you always a big fan of
stand up or.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
I've always yeah, I mean I've always enjoyed consuming it.
And you know, I never realized how low the barrier
to entry was when I first got in, like just
by you know, just start going to open mics, and
I didn't realize it was that easy. I thought it
was like this weird secret society where you had to

(45:48):
get like jumped in or you know, pay dues to
get into, like some learn a fancy handshake that takes
five minutes to do. I thought it was like something
that you know, wonderful, you know, because it's like this
is such a cool group of people. You know, certainly
there has to be some grand like puzzle Box from

(46:11):
Hell Raiser you have to figure out to experience the movie.
And in a way, I was kind of disappointed with
like how low the bear to entry was. Yeah, because
I didn't. I didn't even get in by my ego
getting flared up by watching someone that sucks. So I'm like, Fuck,
if that person can do it, I can definitely do it.

(46:33):
That didn't even happen. I was just like, oh, I
think I'm in it now. And so I was just
so focused on like being good and and then over
time I just start seeing like who's getting booked what
they were doing to get booked.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
I'm like, is this just a.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Popularity game or is it? Like is it or at
least at this level, I wasn't even considering like the
levels to it yet. I was like, does does your
actual skill level even matter? Am I still in high school?
Like what Twilight Zone episode is this? You know? And yeah,

(47:12):
and then and then it took a while before I
finally heard an actual traveling comedian. His name is Will
spotted Bear. He started, he didn't use the word open
mic or he was like, yeah, these people are hobbyists,
Like that is the most perfect word. I'm like, hobbyists.
They're just trying to stroke their dicks. They're not trying

(47:33):
to be funny, never mind making people feel better after
a shitty week, you know, or a day and I'm like, yo,
I got to pick my friends more careful. You know,
I've accidentally picked like a couple of people to hang
out with, like in the early days. I'm like, uh,

(47:54):
and I thought they were objectively skilled with words like
too skilled. One of them, if you want to, could
probably start a cult if he's bored. Yeah. I never
realized how many psychopaths kind of like running these groups.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Yeah a lot.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Yeah. The the amount of crazy that happens just because
a Canadian is bored is terrifying.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Yeah, you'll remember the worst day of your life forever,
but to me it was only Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Yeah. Yeah, we got a group of characters man in
this scene. A lot of times the the real bad
ones will disappear or end up in jail for slitting
their dad's tongues out.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Yeah it happened kind of recently, Yeah, says that man. Yeah,
like you meet these people before the bad thing happens.
It's like it is kind of like Dollar Store Minority Report,
where you just know something bad's gonna happen. You just
hope you're not in that that chapter of the story.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Well that guy specifically too. I remember thinking to myself, like,
always be nice to this guy, even if you don't
know what the fuck he's talking about. Just smile a
nod and be like, good set, buddy.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Yeah, I remember he invited me over to I thought
it was his house. It turned out to be his
uh then girl, his then girlfriend's house for a podcast. Yeah,
And because he was around like the open mics for
a while, you could tell something was off, but he

(49:51):
was nice enough to like be at least just cordial
with no reason to be friends, but no reason to
be enemies either. He it's like, y, it's a kind
of a fun weirdo whatever. And then and then he
would disappear. Then he'd come back, disappear, come back, and
before the before the last showing, he he would just

(50:14):
get like really weird where it's like uncomfortable to be
around him. And then when he came back for the
last time, at the very beginning, he was really cool.
He was like a genuinely cool guy where it's like,
go have a beer with this guy, throw darts.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
With him, you know.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
He seemed like that cool. And then I don't know
if he just got too much into shrooms or what
the or I don't know what the story was, but
he just got weirder and weirder and weirder. And I
remember on that podcast episode, I got this weird undertone

(50:51):
where he was just trying to get inside my brain,
trying to figure out how my thought process worked. And
so I kept everything real vague and level. And I
remember one day, because I I don't easily get pushed around,
so like, there were a couple of times where I
felt him trying to like get too comfortable with me,

(51:14):
and I said, listen, man, I've spent a lot of
time trying to understand you. But and then it was
in my house too. I was like, don't challenge me.
And then I left it at that and I just
stared at him until he be kind of backed down.
And then uh, a time, Larry knocked off his dad
and he's in jail now, probably forever.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
So yeah, dude, he actually so he would always talk
to me and stuff, and like, well, one time when
me and Holly were running that open mic, we were
doing it at the l Ray up in the mezzanine area,
and I remember he came over to me and was
like he was asking my opinion on something, and he

(51:56):
reads me this thing that he had written and like
he he was a really smart dude.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
He was.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
He would use words, he used words. I didn't even
know what the fuck he was talking about. So like
this whole time, I'm like, I have no fucking clue
what he's talking about, Like is this supposed to be funny?
Like you know what I mean? And then he tells
me that it was something that he wrote to his
dad and uh so he wanted my opinion on it,

(52:23):
and I was just like, well, first of all, I
have no fucking clue what you're talking about, and saying, well,
I have no idea what your relationship is with your dad,
so I mean I would feel weird, you know, offering advice,
you know. So he's like, okay, man, I just I
was just, you know, I just wanted to read this
out loud to someone, and I was like, that's cool, man.

(52:45):
I just yeah, I don't I don't know what the
fuck you're talking about. And uh I kind of wish
I would have liked filmed it or something so or
something you know, or remembered any of it, you know,
because like then when I find out he murdered his dad,
I was just like, holy shit, you know, I guess
his relationship with his dad wasn't great.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
Yeah, he didn't tell me that ahead of time, like
he was planning on killing him or anything.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
So well, I mean, if you're smart about your evil,
you'll you'll hide it in good ways, you know. Yeah,
you'll mix it in with truth, you know.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
The best villains are usually smart and capable. Yeah, I mean,
it can't be a successful villain if you're not smart
and have the means to carry it out. You have
to Batman and Superman a lot of things. Yeah, jointly. Uh.
For a while during COVID and even after, I was

(53:43):
running an open mic out of my house. It was
literally it was literally in my garage and it was
Musty called so the garage and that was fun. And
when he started showing up, he would just do we
would just do the open mic part of it. But
he asked me one day, like, hey, will, after the
comedy has done, can I do like a weird like

(54:06):
Q and a therapy session like like on like in
the stage. I like sure, I mean, if people want
to participate, that's up to them. And you could, I mean,
you could tell that there there's always a fine line
of doing research if you're going to school to be

(54:28):
a therapist or a psychologist or whatever. Yes, you know,
you there's a there's a tangible amount of study you
have to do. But like the way he was doing it,
you could just kind of tell he was learning how
to manipulate different flavors of people and like this, this
isn't good. M m hm.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Wow, that's crazy, man.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
You know what the craziest thing is, Kurt, When you
look at the of a cop and the brain of
a criminal, When you look at their brains, it's the
same part of the brain that gets activated when either
action is being done. It's like life just took this
person on this path, and life took this person on

(55:16):
this path. You know, this person need just needed more
money in a quicker frame of time, and this person
had more allowances to make mistakes that weren't too egregious,
had the right people around them.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Yeah, right, Yeah. I feel like he definitely didn't have
the right people around him or scared the right people away.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Maybe, yeah, unfortunately, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
Yeah, yeah, Because I always did enjoy conversating with him
when I did understand him. You know, he was always
a nice dude, and I never never expected to what
happened to happen. But you know, I didn't really know
him that well, so I don't know. Yeah, I always felt bad.
He was just not a funny, funny person.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Yeah there was. I wasn't there for it. But there
was one open mic I don't know how long ago
it was where he just gold got up on the stage.
He took off his shirt and he just stared at
the audience for five minutes, no word spoken.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Oh wow.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
And as much as a fan I am for abstract
art and like, okay, let's evolve the craft a little bit.
At some point it's like, what are you doing? Man,
don't hold his hostage?

Speaker 1 (56:36):
Yeah right, wow, Well this got a little dark.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
But uh well, we can't value the good even more
from this story, that's right.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
Yeah, So what are your goals in stand up? Obviously
not to kill anyone in your family hopefully.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
Well I'm not in the will so not yet.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
So no, BUTZ cal him down.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
I mean, for the longest time, it was just to
get more comfortable around people and just learn how to
talk in a different way. So I'm just more enjoyable
to be around. But at this point I I need
to start traveling more. Dude, I've been like so lazy
and like the business side of it and like and
even to the point of just doing the thing. I've
been like like a shit, like embarrassingly lazy about about it.

(57:36):
But now that I have more financial resources to just
go travel more, I do want to start doing the
thing more. And I wanted to pick your brain about
a website. Do you still make websites?

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Do?

Speaker 1 (57:49):
You just made one for Eddie Stevens, made one for Maverick,
made one for my buddy Tim.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Nice. Yeah, nice, Yeah, Because I want to start doing
the thing with more intent, because I've been kind of
lazy about it even, I mean even performing at Casadas.
I'm like, I'll get to it sooner or later. And yeah,
but no, like my next goal is to perform at
Casadas and then I'll just start going from there.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
Oh yeah, that's cool, man. What was I gonna say?
I totally lost it.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
It's all right, call me at three in the morning
when you remember, I know, Yeah, I like, whoo, I'll
still be awake. I like I keep late hours.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Oh yeah I do too. I uh, that's why I
scheduled this for one thirty. I was thinking that I'd
probably still be just kind of waking up. But I
actually woke up at like seven this morning or six
this morning, so I slept. I slept on a lot. Yesterday.
I had a really bad headache, so I just slept
most of the day. So I just slept at like
six o'clock.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
When I started driving Uber. It it put my circading
rhythm back to like what I feel is natural to me.
Were like, it's easy for me to keep late hours
and then I'll slip until the day a little bit.
But you know, I tend to enjoy the Uber rides.
I give more in the later afternoon and even deep
into the night. I need more cartoon I meet more

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cartoon characters that way.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
Yeah, I bet you meet some pretty interesting people.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
Yeah, it's fun. I've given almost three thousand rides. I've
hung out with some of my passengers. I dated some
of my passengers. Were they awake, Yeah, they were awake.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
I had a friend who quit doing Uber because he
he was giving his girl a ride and she passed
out in his car and didn't really know where she
was going, so like he had to sit there until
she woke up. Like he was he was trying to
like call her friends that kind of just shoved her
in an uber and couldn't get ahold of it anybody

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owners just like, I don't know. He felt weird about
it and was like, I don't know, I didn't want
the cops called on him or anything like that, right, Yeah, like, yeah,
this isn't for me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Yeah, and that's pretty rare. But yeah, it's it's one
of those weird situations where you're trying to do the
right thing, but like in doing the right thing, you
accidentally commit a crime. It's like, ah, yeah, go spend
a dime somewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Yeah, you like put her on a porch somewhere, and
she's dead.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
She's been dead for twenty years.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Like a weekend at Bernie's situation. Well, yeah, all right,
we're almost at nour I wanted to ask you, like,
who else some of your favorite comedians are.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Though right now my favorite comp is Tim Dillon, But
uh in terms of like the newer class of people,
but uh, even I would even put them in in
the realm of all time, you know, in terms of
my mount Rushmore of comics, it's definitely him. I mean

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names I names I commonly throw out are Dave Attel, Young,
Dave Chappelle, Joey diaz Uh. I mean it's it's easy
to throw out, like the Hall of Fame names, you know,
for good reason. But like Mitch Hebburg, Mitch Hepburg's great.

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Like when I when I have comedy conversations with people
and I just throw out some of my favorite one liners,
it's usually from both Mitch and David tel mm hm,
even John Mulaney. I really like John Mulaney.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
Yeah, Salt and Pepper Diner is one of my favorite bits.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Yeah, I think it's in his new special he's talking
about like his cocaine addiction, where he spent he couldn't
pull out any cash to get cocaine, so he went
and bought like a fifty thousand dollars rolex, ran down

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the street to pawn it for ten thousand dollars. It's
just so that he could have the money to go
get cocaine, and just the process a lot. Never mind
the money, the process it took him to go do
all that, and he's like, yeah, I got a problem,
I gotta stop.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Yeah, Milanie's great. Did you see SNL this past weekend
that he hosted.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
I did not How was it?

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
You just check it out. It's pretty good. It's nels been.
It's usually pretty bad. But I feel like when a
comedian hosts, it's usually pretty decent.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
They know the nuances of like laugh triggers and like,
oh yeah, let's lean more on, this is lean left,
you know, this pivot, you know, let's be silent.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Yeah, yeah, I thought, Uh, Nate Bargatzi did a great
job on his episodes that he's done.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
I wanted to ask you, do you think it's easier
for actors to get into stand up comedy versus someone
that's just kind of naturally just funny that starts stand
up comedy? Hmmm? In terms in terms of getting a
laugh side of the.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Audience, I don't know. I uh, because I've been to
a lot of like, well not a lot, but I've
been to some open mics in LA where you could
tell like a lot of these people were actors and
they were just doing stand up just well I don't
know why they were doing stand up, but they were.

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They were all terrible, like they're all so bad at it.
But they were also like young, and they were not
seasoned actors, you know what I mean. So like someone
like a Brian Cranston, who I've actually seen do stand up,
I feel could transition pretty easily. I feel like I

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guess it depends on the type of actor too.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
You know, like.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
You know, good comedic actors. I feel I could do it.
I don't know if it's easier, but I feel like
a lot of them could transition pretty easily.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
Yeah, I guess that's a bet that that should have
been a better way to phrase the question because if
it's a season actor, because those people are more comfortable
with pauses, for sure. Yes, it's like me, It took
me so long to learn how to be comfortable with
a five three second pause. It felt like an eternity.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Well, I mean, I know comics that have been doing
it for a while that still have like you can
tell that they're uncomfortable because they'll they'll step on punchlines
and taglines and stuff. They'll you know, they'll talk over
laughter all the time just because they're so weird about pausing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
And I think, you know, they don't let their punchline
marinate on the stove for three minutes to cook.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
Yeah. Yeah, And I love that shit. I love uncomfortable
silences and shit like that. You know, I like it
a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Yeah, I mean it doubles as the laugh is stronger,
and it kind of gives you a break. It kind
of gives you a moment to even think about what
you're gonna say next, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
I've written a lot of taglines that way too, like
just kind of pausing a little longer and then you're
still in the moment when you're like, hey, I can
say this boom, new tagline, you know, and then it's
another laugh, and then you know, then you got a
little bit to think about the next joke and stuff,
and yeah, it's pretty nice. Well cool man. Yeah, I

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usually try to keep this out in an hour.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
So oh yeah, sorry, did you need to say anything else? Well, no,
I got my first batch of merch uh. I have.
I have a bunch of stickers that do them models
for not all of the stickers are this big, so yeah,
you have them in different sizes. So what's fun about

(01:06:32):
this picture is like I actually sat and modeled for this.
I so like that's like one of the other weird
things I do is like I modeled for artists, and uh,
this is the guy that drew this, he's a his
name is Kevin Burke. He he's an animation artist. So
guys permission to draw this, and I guys from uh
I got his permission to turn them into stickers. So

(01:06:54):
I get the stickers out freely and I'm doing like
a words Waldo side quest. So because I have the
stickers in so many different sizes, I really hide myself
in a lot of different places.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
That's cool.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Myself on a door hinge one time. Yeah, so you just.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Give them yeah, yeah, yeah, I give a way stickers
of shows too. It's a good way to get your
name out there.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
Hmm. Yeah. So yeah, there's that. I'm in the cast
of a murder mystery dinner show called Dinner Detective. Yeah,
there's a lot of comics and improvisers that have come
and gone and stayed on the cast. Like Tito is
actually like on the cast with me, along with like
a few other comics and improvisers. I'm actually on a

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show for that this Saturday. I'll be one of the detectives. Yeah.
We're ramping into our busy season, like especially in December week.
We do public shows and private shows. So we could
kill your mother in life if you want to. But
just remember all the murders are fake. I know it's

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a fun time.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
How did you get into that? Have you done improv before?
Or is that the.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Actually I started, well, I started doing stand up. I'm sorry,
I keep drifting away from your original question. Man, I'd
need to go down articulate rabbit holes a politician. But
my I was doing stand up for a good while
and then Don Sherry told me about the auditions that
Dinner Detective was having, and I said, fuck it, I'm

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just gonna do it. I'm gonna I give myself permission
to fail, and I like to suffer in silence if
I fail. You know, just I take everything as a
learning experience. I don't just take the what, but I
also try to learn the why of the good, the bad,
why it worked, why I didn't for all these reasons, this, that,
and the other. I went it was they were in

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person auditions, and I remember this scene I was in.
What was it the scene I was in. The other
person I was doing the scene with also got cast.
She was a gym owner firing me from the gym,
and I, you know, within the context of the scene,
I kind of got angry and exploded. I was like

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my name is Raw Raw, and I kind of turned
into like a wrestling heel and the one of the
guys that owned that owns his Dinner Detective, his franchise
that owns our territory of Dinner Detective. He looked at
me like, yep, he's going to be our killer for
a while. So yeah, I was like, yes, I love

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playing villains.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
Frankly, that's cool man, heh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
Yeah, so I've been doing that for I've been on
cast for that since twenty nineteen twenty times. Yeah, yeah, dude.
It's so weird when I measure like how I used
to interact with people then versus now, because like I was,
they gave us paperwork to fill out with your name
and some of your acting experience and like performing experience.

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And someone like next to me who's also very accomplished
in acting and improvising. She doesn't do stamps so much,
but she's more in the like improv world. She looks
over and she's like, oh, your name is William, And
I look up at her. I'm like, yep, I just
kept on filling out my form. Now I try to

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have like a short little i'm conscious of your existence conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
Yeah that's cool man. Yeah, yeah, comedy and improv and
stuff will definitely help help with that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Yeah, I've definitely gotten better at conversating with people over
the years I was. I was always pretty shy. I'm
still pretty shy, but I think comedy has helped a
lot in that area for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
The same, I'm definitely a learned extrovert. If I'm left
to my own devices, I will not talk to anyone
and be very comfortable with it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
Yeah that's how Yeah. I was just in Canada for
a whole week and it was just all day, just
me by myself. That was great. Or then when i'd
go somewhere someone had like a weird accent. I couldn't
understand him anyway, so I was like, all right, So yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
I don't think I'm gaining or losing anything from this.
We're just chilling.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
Yeah, just giving my pizza. Well, cool man, thanks for
coming on today.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
Yeah, thanks for having me man. Yeah, I've always been
willing to talk to you like this for a while.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
Yeah, this is awesome. We'll love to have you on
again for sure, because there's more stuff we could talk about.
I'm sure. Also, happy early birthday. That's awesome, thank you. Yeah,
not dead yet. Yeah, you'll get there. But yeah, I
have a good sh Saturday. I'll probably put this online

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on Wednesday, so wonderful.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
Yeah, yeah, I'll I'll share it once once it's up
on the socials.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
Awesome. Appreciate you, William.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
Yeah, I appreciate you, man. It's always a pleasure.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Yeah. Thanks, buddy, I'll talk to you later.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
All right, all right you too, man, have a great day.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
See you, buddy.