Episode 89: Comedian-Angel Lopez

Comedian/Musician/Podcaster Angel Lopez joins Curt on this episode to talk comedy, music and more!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
His name is a really funny guy.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
This is his podcast in your Rise, Right, what's up, dude.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
I'm doing good? How about yourself, Kurt.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Dude, I'm doing pretty good, man.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
I see you. Haven't seen you in like a year,
probably a little bit longer than that.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Probably a little bit longer than that.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
That's my fault. I got into this funk. I got
in this weird funk about not being good enough.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
I'm I'm gradually getting out of it. I'm like, yeah,
I mean, especially since I recently got booked at Cassava
and I'm like, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (00:52):
How am I not out there? Yes? So, like your
funk of not being good enough? Is it like comedy wise?

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Are I think I was kind of I don't know,
just I guess not being motivated enough. I guess I
could say, because it's not really, it's not really comedy wise.
I've been kind of slacking on my posting on guitar.
I've been kind of slack.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Posted a long time.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yes, I've been kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
You emailed me back and everything. So yeah, I haven't
seen you post anything in a while. I love watching your
guitar videos.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Nice, thank you, thank you. I really appreciate that because.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Your sodium good. I I actually I've been trying to
learn how to play the bass. So what on my
YouTube is mostly like comedy podcasts and bass videos. Bass videos.
I just I watch a lot of less Claypool and
I'm just like, well, I'll never be able to do that,
but that's hilarious and it's still fun to watch, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
That's that's what I hate too, is like, well, I
don't hate it. I think it's hilarious when you're just
watching videos online and you're just like this Asian is
eight years old and I have no talent.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah, yeah, it's man. Yeah, how long have you been
playing guitar?

Speaker 1 (02:04):
I've been playing guitar for about I would say sixteen
years seventeen years o. I am thirty five. I recently
turned thirty five. Well, thank you, thank you very much.
With this face though, it looks good. So, yeah, Thanky.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Have you played in bands and stuff?

Speaker 1 (02:23):
I did? I used to play in a band. I
had a band, a local band here. We called ourself
Causes to Become.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah, we took that.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
We took that from I guess one of my guitar
players was a Jehovah, A Jehovah witness Oh yeah, I
guess that's what you're supposed to call. Jesus is supposed
to be called the cause to become, the causes to become.
So I'm literally just calling myself God up there on stage.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Okay, yeah, got me causes to become. Well, at least
you had confidence back then. I know that's true. I
was a Christian.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
No, it was just a we like to call it
a melodic death metal band.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Okay, cool, that's what we were. Very melodic death metal.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Ly, but we dressed like we were in an eighties
glam band.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Well I was hoping you dressed like Jehovah Witnesses.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
No, we went all out like little skin tight uh
you know, spandex muscle shirts, and then we would look
like we were from an eighties band, but we'd end
up playing melodic death metal.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Cool man, it was fun.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
It was fun.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
It was fun. How long were you guys around?

Speaker 1 (03:34):
We probably played for about we got really we started
in Taos, New Mexico, and then we moved we moved
over here and then that's when we ended up getting
more shows in Albuquerque and stuff. We probably played for
about seven to eight years together.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Really, yeah, okay, are you from Taos?

Speaker 1 (03:54):
I am originally not from Taos. I grew up there
because my grandfather lives there. Oh okay, my grandfather lives
in a small town called Pinasco with like and yeah,
I grew up with him from the age of like

(04:16):
eighteen or seventeen all the way till I was like
twenty seven, twenty eight. Okay, cool, it's about ten years.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Sweet. So you moved to Albuquerque with the band? Pretty much?

Speaker 1 (04:26):
I moved because of a girl, ah, okay, and then
the band broke up, but the girl did not, right,
the girl did not, and then I broke up with
the girl. And then the band two years later was like, hey,
we're moving to Albuquerque, can we Are we going to
do this? Are We're going to get the shit started?
So we did it again.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Cool?

Speaker 1 (04:47):
It was fun.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
It was a really fun time.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Unfortunately, one of my the guitar player, passed away because
of drugs, so drug overdose and you're just like, man's
that's how that's how a rock star goes. I guess
at least don't have to go the hard parts of
being famous first.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah, was he twenty seven? Uh? No, I wish she's
twenty three. It was pretty Yeah, young, young dude, that's crazy.
Uh do you have any desire to play in a
band again? I mean not really.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
No. I like I like jamming or doing like a
like streaming online. I like streaming guitar online. Yeah, so
I'll throw a backing track on or maybe if I
know somebody who like drums or something, will like have
a jam session and just just play for whatever reason.
But I've never really had the ambition to start a
band again, which everyone says I should, but I don't

(05:44):
know if I should or not, because you know, getting older.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Turmoil my love bar, you shred though, Man, you're you're good.
What about comedy?

Speaker 1 (05:56):
What?

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Uh? When did you start doing stand up?

Speaker 1 (05:58):
I started comedy in h two thousand and nineteen.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
So okay, so that was an Albuquerque Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
I got I got just one of those niches, you know.
I used to watch a lot of like Comedy Roast Battles,
and I thought that was hilarious, the Comedy Central Comedy
Roast Battles. So me and my roommate would just you know,
hang out and then like watch TV and then like
you know, kind of riff off of stuff, and I thought.
We were like, he's like, dude, you're so funny, he
should try doing comedy. And I was like, I don't

(06:28):
even know where to start, and I ended up finding
My first open mic was the Tito's open mic I
guess on the Sunday is called the I can't remember
what that Sunday mic was called, but it.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Was that Bois Brothers.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, the Bois Brothers one. I can't remember what he
used to call it. But that was my very first
open mic.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Cool.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
And it was one of those things too, you know
how people kind of show up to an open mic
before they they're like, maybe I should feel.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
It out or whatever.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah, I went.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
I went.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
I went straight in and headfirst and what was horrible,
But it was still a good experience to start off with.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Oh yeah, sorry, I got to send a test message
real quick.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Oh yeah, sorry that your girlfriend's telling you to get
off the damn the damn Internet.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
No, uh no, that's cool man. I uh yeah. I
thought about going to like an open mic to check
things out first before I started to, but I was like,
I'm just gonna I gave myself like four months to prepare,
like writing material, and stuff, and I was like, I
sat a date and I that's when I decided to
do it. But I always liked the Bosey Brothers one

(07:35):
that was always fun. I don't know if I ever
did it when Tito ran it, because someone else ran
it before Tito did.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Same Day What's that?

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Was it?

Speaker 1 (07:43):
On the same day?

Speaker 2 (07:45):
It used to be Sunday's. Yeah, so we were doing
a Catholic joke one time, like on Easter Sunday, a
bunch of people were doing Catholic jokes. That was pretty fun.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
I've always I've been like, I have a niche. I
just like, maybe we should just go ask them again
to do it on a Sunday because I mean, it
was such a good mic on a Sunday. It was
really fun. Yeah, it's still open. I remember when Tito
ended up canceling it. It was because they said that
they were tired of open mics. Yeah, the comedy open mic.

(08:17):
But that was almost probably.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Three years ago, yeah, maybe longer, so.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
It's been quite a while that it's been shut down.
I was just thinking, like, hey, guys, do you guys
think there's a comedy boom going on or would you
want to do it? Again, maybe with a different format
or something. I don't know. I wouldn't really want to
do an open mic, more.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Like maybe like a book showcase or something. Yeah, something
like that.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah, kind of like test the waters and see if
we can get some kind of thing going on there.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yeah, it was a cool spot and you know it's downtown. Yeah.
I always had fun there. I always thought the shows
are fun.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
So I got a couple questions for you, if you
don't mind me asking. Oh, for sure, being the comedy,
the comedy senior that you are, the amount of times
you've done it, do you see a difference now with
what the way comedy was back then to when it
is to what it is now? I mean, is there
a big difference. Do you think that people are trying
to push the bar a little more, not trying to

(09:14):
push the bar being a little sugarcoated?

Speaker 2 (09:17):
What do you think? You know what, for a few years,
it felt like, uh, it felt like you had the
tiptoe around stuff a little bit, okay, But I think
it's coming back around. I think it's because there's a
few years where it was like there was some stuff

(09:38):
that I would I would joke about that people had
kind of grown or get offended for other people at
you know, but I feel like that's changing a little
bit now. I don't know if it's the crowds or
if it's just maybe my attitude towards it where I'm like,
I don't give a shit. I'm gonna say what I
want to say, okay, and if you like it, you

(10:00):
like it. If you don't, I don't care, you know.
But when I started, I was kind of like, I
wasn't really a shot comic, but I definitely had a
few jokes where it was like I definitely crossed the
line just to get reactions, okay. But once I learned,
you know, I started out a comedy club, so then

(10:21):
I would I would hang out at the comedy club
all the time, so I would see a lot of
comedy club crowds, and I learned how to adapt my
writing style to where it was suitable for like a
comedy club. Like I knew what I could get away
with and what I couldn't get away with and stuff
like that. So I guess, you know, it probably depends

(10:46):
on the venues too, just knowing your crowd and stuff
like that. But you know, if you're gonna push the
envelope a little bit. You have to you definitely have
to be funny, and you definitely want to have the
crowd on your I you know that stuff I learned,
you know, a couple of years into it. Just I
had a really good mentor, Like the comedy club owner

(11:08):
was a great mentor to me, okay, and he liked
me right off the bat, and he would give me pointers,
you know, saying like, maybe you should do this joke
a little later in your set instead of pissing everybody
off right away, you know, stuff like that. So okay, Yeah,
so I think, yeah, it's it's definitely different from when
I started, though, I mean I started twenty some years ago.

(11:31):
There's there are so many more comics now, so many
more venues, so many more places to get comedy. You know,
there's Netflix and YouTube and Hulu and this every streaming
thing has comedy now, you know, Like back back when
I started, it was two thousand and one, and you know,

(11:54):
Netflix wasn't even a thing yet. And I don't think
you know, so you'd get you'd get your half hour
specials on Comedy Central every once in a while, but
it wasn't you know, it was it was a special
thing to have a special, you know, and now it's
like I could just fucking record a special this week
if I wanted to.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, throw it on YouTube and it just be right there.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Yeah, which I do have one called Ginger Snaps go check.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah right there.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
That's how you that's how your self promote baby.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah what Well then if that's the case, do you
think it's like too oversaturated? Then like it's just so
much that it's like people are just like, ah, not
this one again, or oh great, I'm gonna hear kind
of this again.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
Like I don't know, man, that's hard to say. I mean,
I mean that's probably what happened with Bosey Brothers. They
kind of got you know, they fizzled out. Maybe, I
don't know. I don't know if it's Yeah, it might
be oversaturated. I really don't go out to a ton
of shows and stuff, so I don't know. It does
seem like there's a ton more comics now than there

(12:57):
were like when I first moved back here twenty twenty. Okay,
it almost seems like it's doubled since then.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Yeah, because even even when I started, I remember, the
most would be in like nine to eleven comics, yeah,
and on the list, and now it goes past twenty five.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah. I'll see some of the lists they posts and
it's say, holy shit, yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
WHOA, Like, like, I'm what, do I really have to
get there right on time just to make sure because
like it kind of seems like it's a lot to
even just to make sure.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
That you get stage time.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah, but that shouldn't be that big of a problem, right,
because that's the biggest problem in like New York or LA.
It's like you're lucky if you get stage time. You
just got to go find it.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yeah. I mean there are some people who, you know,
I watch a lot of podcasts and stuff where, you know,
Louis c K would talk about getting on stage ten
times per night in New York City. But he's also
Louis ck. You know, he's not just some schmuck open micer,
so you know, it could be different. But the thing
about Albuquerque now is like when I started, there's one
open mic per month. Now you can get on stage

(14:03):
sometimes twice a night, yeah, which is great. You know,
it definitely helps the comics who are starting out, you know.
So so the comics who are starting out there's definitely
a lot of them, but they're getting a lot of
quality stage time. It seems like like the reps. Yeah,
so I think like it's a I think it's a

(14:24):
pretty quality scene. I mean there there are some comics
who definitely need some work, but you know who doesn't.
You know, I still need work.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
So I always like that, Like philosophy is like you
can always learn a little more, no matter how much
you are ready.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
No, oh, for sure, I learned shit all the time, right,
you know, I've been doing it twenty four years, and
I'm still like, I'll fucking figure something out. I'm like,
oh man, how did I not know this? I'm gonna
get this fucking baseline? I know I am. Well, I
don't know about that. But another one bites the dust, dude,
you'll feel fine, You'll feel I think I could do
that one.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yeah, you'll feel so accomplished. I promise I can.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
I can. I think I can. I think I know that.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
One that and like was another seven nation army that.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Gets you got that it's so easy. That makes you
feel like you're getting good. Yeah. I like to challenge
myself a little bit, you know. Okay, you know, like
sometimes I'll look at some tabs and I'll be like,
I'm never going to be able to do that one,
so I'll just skip it.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
You know, are you playing on a four string bass?

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah? Nice? Nice? Yeah. Yeah, I'm still not good at it.
I started in twenty twenty, and I'm still not good
at it, but I like it. It's fun.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
How does one prioritize all the time to just do
one new thing, right, It's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah. Yeah, it was easy during COVID, you know, because
I didn't have any gigs. I you know, I have
nothing to write jokes for. Yeah, so I'll start a podcast.
I'll learn how to play bass.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
You know that they're they're yeah. See that's how it's done.
Before you know what, you're teaching people how to play bass.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Mm hmmm mm hmm. Yeah, you know it. Yeah, I don't.
I don't know about that, but I still don't know
how Like I don't know. I can read tabs all right,
but I don't know different ship. I don't know how
to tune the guitar or the bass or whatever. I
have a tuner on there, but I don't know. I'm

(16:20):
just I'm not gonna ship like that.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Do you happen to know the first four string names
like the letter.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
Probably d G or something close. I mean E A
d G.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Yeah, from the top to bottom. But you know it's
it's all over the place. If anything, we're just you know,
making music. You think they do. You think they have
music theory in India. Hell no, they're just doing whatever
they want.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
That's right, kick ass. Yeah. It's not like I'm ever
going to be in a band or anything or do anything,
but just something fun for me. You know. I just
bought like a cheap bass and little land. It's fun
to do every once in a while trying to Like,
I'll hear a song, I wonder if I could play that,
I'll look it up.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
You're I know, you're really into music, but you're like
a more of like a punk kind of music, right,
like punk hardcore kind of thing or yeah, like.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Old school punk. So some metal. I used to be
a big metal head, but yeah, I don't know. The
older I get, the more mellow I'm getting, you know,
So I gotta be in a certain mood to listen
to metal, or I like to listen to it before
a show though. Oh yeah. The playlist with a bunch
of metal songs, get me, get me hyped up? Nice.

(17:32):
But yeah, some old school punk rock, old school country
I was. Yeah, there was a lot of old school
hip hop.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
What did your parents listen to when you were growing up?

Speaker 2 (17:44):
My dad didn't really listen to music, not that I
ever saw anyway. I know, you like the Beach Boys, Ok,
But my mom would listen to, like, she's.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Gonna be playing that jungle music in here.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
I listen to like some old school like like Kiss
and Alice Cooper and stuff like that. Oh nice, And
she would start she started getting into the country a
little more, like in the mid eighties and stuff nice.
So but yeah, she's always she's always liked, you know,
some of the bands from like the late seventies and
stuff like that. So I've always been a big Alice

(18:17):
Cooper fan. And I actually lived right down the street
from their original guitar player, which was pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Oh nice.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah, So he'd walk by his house before school and
after school sometimes that's where he lives. Yeah, Well, we
talked to him sometimes. He taught my buddy how to
play guitar, oh, how to read music and stuff like that,
and it was awesome.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
And that was during the Alice Cooper when he was
playing with him or too Well.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
He actually got kicked out of the band like in
the seventies. He was like, that's funny because he got
kicked out for drinking, which they all did, but he
was like he was bad, like he could out drink.
Jim Morrison. Oh, man, he was good friends with Jim Morrison.
And actually his one of his sweaters is on the

(19:03):
Doors album. He was hanging out with Jim Morrison and
Jim got a phone call. So they're doing a photo
shoot for their album and he's like, shit, I don't
have anything to wear. So this dude threw him a
sweater and then so he's wearing that dude's sweater on
the cover of one of their albums. And he never
did get that sweater back. Damn.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
It's one of those nostalgic things where it's just like, well,
the sweater lives on, I guess. Yeah, so much for
his career.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah, the sweater made it big. Yeah the sweater was huge.
But yeah, he did great things, man. He you know,
he made a couple of those first albums, like wrote
Schools Out, a couple of the of their other big
hits and stuff. So that was pretty cool. Okay, sweet, Yeah,
what kind of music you into?

Speaker 1 (19:52):
I'm I'm now that I'm older, I listened to like
almost anything like country, metal, even some weird like gypsy
jazz and stuff. Anything that was cool, cool, just cool
sound to it. Yeah, I don't know. I guess I
can blame my parents because my mom was really like
a radio person. So anything that was on the radio
that was a hit, you know, top fifty or whatever

(20:14):
I or kind of heard in the eighties. So yeah,
that's so ridiculous because now that I think about it,
I'm just like, oh my god, Like, I know this
Ozzy song because my mom used to listen to it,
or I know this Deaf Leopard song because my mom
used to listen to it, And then you get into
the niches and you're like, oh shit, this whole album
of def Leopard is pretty sick. I never even thought

(20:35):
it would be that cool.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
You know, Hysteria album is probably my favorite album of all.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Time, Hysteria high and Dry. Like those guys are sick.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Any any I love I love.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Music, rock and roll.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Any music is in general pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
So who are some of your favorite guitar players? Did
you have, like any favorites like growing up.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
When I was growing up, I kind of wasn't really
into guitar players, more into just like the whole like
heavy metal scene. So one of the bands that really
got me into music was Marilyn Manson. Oh yeah, I
was really into Marilyn Manson. I was growing up more,
I bet because of the rebellious stage where I was
just like yeah, And then even growing up in high school,

(21:18):
I dressed like a goth like eyeliner like horrible like
shaved head, but still had the bangs up to like
my freaking chin stuff. It's pretty bad. I looked like
a science experiment.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
But were you an Anti Christ Superstar came out, you
would have been like seven or eight or something.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
Right, Yeah, very very the yeah, very very young. I
think I remember. I think I remember watching the Anti
Christ Superstar video when I don't know if you ever
remember this TV program called The Box where they would
play music videos and stuff all the time, all day,
whatever the case may be. But at certain times you
would see like these extreme stuff and I remember a

(22:00):
Marilyn Manson video where he's just ripping the Bible and
I'm just like, holy shit, I was like, that's crazy.
I never I never really connected it all together. I
didn't really know anything about it until I got older,
and then my friend ended up showing me Marilyn Manson.
I guess Marilyn Manson just came out with like the
greatest Hits album and it comes with the song Personal

(22:21):
Jesus and Tainted Love.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Oh cool.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
That was the first real Marilyn Manson album that got
me into like all of his other stuff where I'm
just like.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Oh, Manson, he's crazy. He's a crazy guy.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
And then his guitar player at that time his name
was John Five.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah, he's gonna be playing an Albuquerque soon.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah, I've seen him a few times here in Albuquerque.
Yeah at the moment right now, he's working with Molly Crue.
He's the second guitar player for Molly Crue. But that
guy was cool too because he had a solo record
at that time called Vertigo John Five Vertigo and it's
all just guitar shredding. Like I didn't even know that
stuff existed, and I was like, holy shit, it's like

(23:04):
he's singing with his guitar. So I really enjoyed that,
and then I got more into the niches, like finding
out about people in the eighties like Steve VII and
Joe Satriani and all these guys Veay Mousting. I was like, yeah,
this is the whole culture that I'd never even heard of.
And then I got into it, and then I wanted
to become a guitar god because you know them.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
It's like, it was horrible. You know.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
The funny part is you like play guitar to get chicks,
but you don't impress chicks. You only impress other dudes.
It's like, yeah, right, I don't get anywhere with that.
So that was my whole introduction into music and stuff. Okay,
and then my mom was really into country music and
every weekend she would watch the Grease movie, you know,

(23:48):
with Johnny Travolta and Olivia Newton or whatever. She would
watch that every weekend and I hated it. It was
like the worst experience. I was like, not again, why
are you watching this? And now that I'm older, it's
like on my playlist because it was just so much
of a nostalgia thing growing up because it's like, hey,
this is my childhood.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
You're the one that I want. I'm Danny Zuko a.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
I got chills and they're multiplying, you know, a bunch
of this stupid, cheesy tech. But yeah, I love it now.
It's like I love it. I can sing every word
to it. I can do the dance dance numbers. I
look just the childhood where you hated it and then
you end up finding out it's actually part of you. Yeah,
I'll show you one day, I hope. So, man, just

(24:32):
grab grab my crotch and be like, you're the one
that I want.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, make sure that beforehand you say, hey, I'm gonna
do that thing from Greece, yeah, and then do that. Yeah, yeah,
I promise I won't. Yeah, yeah, I gotcha. So you
were too young to probably realize how big Marilyn Manson was.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah, I didn't. Didn't even realize.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
It was insane, like cause I was. I was a
junior in high school when that album came out, When
Antichrist Superstar came out. I remember, you're ditching school to
go get that album. That's crazy people getting in trouble
for it. And my brother went to his concert in
Des Moines, Iowa. Said it was like one of the
most insane things he's ever seen in his life. Oh wow. Yeah,

(25:16):
there are people out there like protesting and shit and
like just nuts. I didn't get a go because I
was underage.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Stay home, you can't go.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, I wish I would have been able to burn
a Bible or two.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
Don't you think that's pretty crazy though? How like the
transition of shock rock. You know you're how you're talking
about Alice Cooper and stuff, But yeah, Alice Cooper is
kind of the transition of Marilyn Manson and stuff.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
How crazy that was? Yeah, yeah, for sure, because Alice
Cooper I think was the first one that ever did
stuff like that. Yeah, well, Kiss came along, and then.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
There was another dude before then, but he was more
of a blue singer. I don't know if you ever
heard of screaming Jay Hawkins.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Screaming I'm gonna write that down.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
This guy, this guy was the guy I know, you
know him when you see him. But he was the
guy who did the cover of the song I Put
a Spell on You. Oh yeah, the black dude where
he would always like face paint with like tribal and stuff. Yeah,
when he would come out, he he used to have
skulls all over his set. He would have like this
like this stick with a skull on it that would

(26:19):
have smoke coming out of it, and he would just,
you know, scream.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
I'll put a spell on you. O. Cool.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
So everyone wants to relate the whole genre of shock
rock to that guy. Okay, and I can see it too.
I can totally see it.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
That's badass. I had no idea.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
I'm yeah, you'll freak out. It's pretty funny. Yeah, some
of his music is hilarious. I've been listening to this
podcast called The History of Rock Music in five hundred Songs.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Oh wow, I think you would. I think you would
enjoy it too.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
It's a really good podcast, The History of Rock Music
in five hundred Songs, And one of the one of
the episodes is him talking about screaming Jay Hawkins and
like all of the history of him and stuff alcoholic. Obviously,
the best part about it is like he would go
to the studio and sing these songs and they were like,

(27:09):
you do so much better on stage. Why is it
that you do so much better on stage and in
the studio it doesn't sound as good. He's like, I'm
not drunk, yeah, can you get me drunk first? And
then so that recording of I Put a Spell on You,
the recording that you listen to from Screaming Jay Hawkins.
He's plastered, wasted, wasted. That's the only way he can

(27:30):
sing that good is because he's wasted.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
How funny, dude, It's like that. It's the other way
for some people because they you know, they sing great
in the studio, and then when you see him live,
they sound like shit.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
They sound like Vince Neil. That's funny, but then you
think about it. I don't know if you know the
creator of Rick and Morty, how he says he plays
Rick's voice, he has to drink while he does it
just gets the vibe of getting drunk and burping every
couple syllables and stuff. Yea, So maybe there is some
kind of weird science to it where it brings out

(28:06):
more creativity. I mean, some people can do it, some
people not.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
You know. Yeah, I'm actually I'm gonna do a show
with this guy who does he performs on psychedelics.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
I think, are you talking about Tom.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Bamb Nope, he's a comedian.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Well he's not a comedian if his name's Bomb. But
there's this gentleman who does that too.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
He can't. Yeah, there's a guy named Shane Moss that
used to do it. He would perform on shrooms and stuff.
So I don't know the exact details of the show
I'm doing. I don't know if I'm performing well, I'm
all shroomed out or whatever. I might just be opening
for the guy. But okay, I'm interested to see how
the show is. Should be pretty fun. I have you

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ever performed drunk or high or anything.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
A little bit? And I know I'm not the best.
Like I can even see in the recordings where I'm
just like I forgot I forgot timing a couple of words,
probably get.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yeah, like performing Stone wasn't bad, but it was like
the cotton.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Mouth, Oh horrible.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yeah, so you stumble on some words and you know
the punchline don't hit as much. But drinking is like
I've had I've had some bad ones with that, like
I had. I had a show in North Dakota one time.
I think it's North Dakota and uh, these dudes, I

(29:38):
was telling like I was so tired. I slept like
an hour the night before. Then I had to drive
thirteen hours to this gig. Oh jeez, and uh and
it was really smoking there. Everyone's smoking, so like, my
eyes are watering really bad, so I closed my eyes.
During my set, I was like, I can't keep my
eyes open, so I'm performing with my eyes closed. And

(29:58):
then uh so as I performing, uh this, uh, the
waitress comes up and she taps on my shoulder and
I opened my eyes and she's got like a tray
full of Jaeger shots and she just hands me the
tray and I was like, what is going on here.
She's like, oh, these guys got you these shots, and
I was like, okay. I wasn't a big drinker at

(30:22):
the time. I'm still not, Like I don't want to
look like a posty in front of all these guys.
They're like big old oil workers and shiit. I was like,
fuck it, I down five of them, dude, and uh
like they kicked in like right away, and I don't
remember the rest of my set, but I remember because
there was like a two man show. I told the headliner.
I was like, Hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna go pass

(30:44):
out like right now, so yeah, right now. I was
just like I'm going to sleep as much as I
can right now, and I'll see you in the morning.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
So would would something like that at a bigger show?
Would that entice you to drink like that? Again, like say,
if it was a bigger show, it's a bit great crowd,
and then all of a sudden that same scenario comes
up where they're just like five shots. Is that something
you still would kind of consider or more like I'm.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Right now, no, I've only had two drinks the entire year. Okay,
I just know it's not something I enjoy, even.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
If in the background like don't be a pussy, I think, Yeah,
I don't know how I would react to that, Like
if they just brought it up like that, I'll do
them afterwards or something like that.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
And then okay, probably just give it back to the
server and be like these somebody just take the money
and dump us back into the bottle, take the money
and run. Yeah. I know a lot of comics will.
We'll have them like they'll say like, hey, if someone
wants to buy me a shot, just send me up
something that looks like alcohol and I'll drink that or whatever.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
Oh that's good. So you kind of let them know
beforehand too.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah, So, like I think Sam Kennison sometimes he would
act like he was drunk or whatever on stage because
it's sold more drinks so the club would make more money.
But his beer bottles just there's this water in there,
so he drink the water or whatever. I think it
was Sam Kennison would do that. Yeah, he's pounding water

(32:18):
and everyone's like, Oh, yeah, this guy's a fucking drug
having a good time. Let's get more.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Beers, let's all get on his level.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Yeah, let's do a pilot cocaine after all. Oh yeah,
do you.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Have any I don't know, Like I guess like war
stories or anything that happened on stage that like kind
of caused the conflict maybe you know, verbal or physical.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah. I've had two times where I got attacked. One time.
One time was during a corporate gig in Albuquerque. Eric
Kennedy was there. She was opening for me. Oh wow,
yeah it was. It was a corporate gig. I forget
it what the company was called. But there's a dude

(33:05):
in the back. He kept saying stuff, and uh, I
thought he was like just playing along with me, Like,
so I kept talking ship to him and he goes, uh,
he said something like, how about I cut your balls off? Yeah,
that'd be fine, And then he like stands up and
starts coming towards me. And it was like a big

(33:26):
banquet room at a hotel and like so, you know,
there's not a stage or anything. I was just kind
of behind a podium and uh so there's like a
microphone at the podium. He actually came up there and
he pulled out a little pocket.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Knife at Swiss knife, yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Dude in like, uh dude. He was like a foot
taller than me too, big old cowboy, and he actually
grabbed my pants like where my my penis would be
disappeared at the.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Time, straight into your body. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
So I like just backed up and I was like, dude,
what the fuck man? And then he just went and
sat back down, and like nobody did anything, and I
was like standing there and I was just like, well,
I guess I'll keep doing the show since no one's
gonna do shit about this. And I wanted to get
paid because it's a corporate gig and it's pretty decent pay.
So I just I just went on with the show,

(34:26):
and I every once in a while i'd poke some
fun at him when I noticed he wasn't paying attention
or whatever. Yeah, you know, you get a couple of
jabs at him, but yeah, it was super weird. And
then there's a lady in Oklahoma City, I think it
was she just I was featuring, so I was going

(34:47):
in the middle, and she just kept saying dumb shit
like ruining my jokes, and uh, it takes a lot
to piss me off, but she was like she ruined
like three or four jokes, and I was just to
get really pissed off, so I just said, I was like, hey,
if you're here, who's guarding your meth lab? And she
got fucking pissed, Like she stood up and started coming

(35:10):
towards the stage and I don't know what she was
gonna do, but there's a luckily that club out of
security guard and he came over pretty quick and grabbed
her and stuff and kicked her out and everything. But yeah, afterwards,
I was selling merchandise and stuff, and like a couple
of her friends came over and were like, they're like,

(35:31):
you're pretty spot on with that meth lab jab. She
has a meth lab, and they're like apologizing on her
behalf and stuff, and they felt embarrassed because they brought
her with.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
You know.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Yeah, some people are just like that. You know, you
just say one wrong thing or whatever and they for
some reason think it's about them or something, and you know,
they just they snap or or they have too much
alcohol and they want to be the center of attention
or whatever. I don't know what it is. I don't
it's hecklers are weird. It's usually an older white lady too.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
I don't know why, You're like, they just have that tendency.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, it's weird. It's like, you know what, just if
you want to be heard or something, start a podcast
or something.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Yeah, to go talk to your husband again.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah right, probably murdered him. Yeah. See, I've had a
couple couple things like that happened, but I haven't been
punched or anything yet, nothing like that.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
So well, I mean if you're yeah, I mean, if
you've done it this far, I think I think you're
in the fleeing clear for another couple of months.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
We'll see.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
That only happened once to me, though, But somebody got
offended because they said it was their birthday and they're like,
it's my birthday and I was like, oh great, how
old are you because you look fifty and they were
not fifty.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Obviously they were like in.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Their like mid twenties, maybe getting down thirty or whatever,
and he threw.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
A lighter at me.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Oh Jesus, yeah, and it hit me in the chest
and I was like, well, obviously you're insecure. And then
that's when they told him that, hey, you have to
leave your you're being really reckless and stuff. But there
was only the worst part about it is there was
only three people in the crowd.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Oh wow.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
So it felt it felt kind of like like, well,
obviously you came for this. You came to get physical
with somebody. You didn't come to get laughs or anything
like that.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Yeah, because you only had two people show up at
your birthday party.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yeah, and you were obviously upset that they weren't here
for you.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
They were here for me. Yeah. Is funny. It was.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Uh it was during COVID when they were doing shows
at the We're Old where the old Dry Heat used
to be. I remember Kevin Kennedy was trying to put
on shows there for a while during COVID where he's like, oh, like,
it's all into down low. We're all doing it down low,
and it's just like you posted it on Facebook, how

(37:53):
fucking down low is this?

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Yeah? That. Yeah, I remember that spot. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Do you follow any of like the comedy scene things
going on like around?

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Uh? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Well, I'll just bring it up. You you're a big
fan of the Texas comedy scene going on right now?

Speaker 2 (38:11):
What part of Texas?

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Well, the only one that cared, the only one that
matters apparently still good old fashioned Austin. Oh nah, I
mean it's so big that everyone's going to Austin.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
I mean I'll watch a lot of podcasts. I hear
stuff that's going on and things like that, But I
I don't know. I always liked Austin. You know, my
daughter grew up near Austin, so I always like going
there and stuff and and performing. I haven't been there
since you know, Joe Rogan and all his fucking dildos
took over. But you know, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Before before before they got there, what was the main club?
There was the City cap City.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Yeah, there's cap City was like, uh the main club,
and then they had the Velveta Room, which was like
downtown on Sixth Street. Oh okay. Belvida Room was like
a cool little independent club, and then Cap City was
like the one that had like some of the big
headliners coming through and stuff like that. So there's only
two clubs, and then I used to perform. What did

(39:18):
I perform? I can't even remember the name of the
place now. Buddy of mine from Austin he actually died
of COVID sadly, but he would bring me out and
I perform with him sometimes at uh it's called the
Anderson Mill Pub or something like that. I was able
to do spots at Cap City and the Belvida Room

(39:38):
and stuff like that. It used to be a really
cool scene. I mean, I don't I don't know if
it is anymore or not, but I mean it's I
hate as much as I hate kill Tony.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Hencliffe, but I kind of liked the show. I watch
a lot of it.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
That's probably my watch what my friends are on, you know,
And I like that it's helped out comics like Casey
Ry getting William Montgomery. Yeah, I really I met those
guys before they were big famous and stuff, so you know,
I I I really like those guys, and I gotta
work with Hans Kim. He was super nice. So I

(40:14):
do think it's cool in that aspect, you know. I
just I've never been a fan of Tony Hinchcliff. I've
never met him, but a buddy of mine knows him
pretty well. He used to perform at the Comedy Store
all the time. He just said he was kind of douchey.
And this was before he got famous too, so I
can't imagine like the level of douche he's at now
he is.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
I'm pretty sure he's probably a total douchebag. Like for
he totally seems like that big time. But I do
and I do enjoy the show. I kind of I
like the you know, the randomness, apparently the randomness of
the bucket.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
I also do like the guests because you know that
I always like that. Somebody says Tony doesn't make the
show the guest or what make the show? Yeah, so
like you know, special guest or hey, this guy or
this one. So I feel like that aspect of the
show is really cool. Uh Yeah, Tony has a big head,
and I don't like Tony, but you know that's yeah
to each his own.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Yeah, and then uh yeah, so we'll probably get on
the show one day and then this podcast will surface
and they'll be like, what.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Do you remember that Timmy tis you in his bread
kiss or it's gonna be like that computer chip in
his brain he knows automatically when everyone talks about him.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Oh yeah, yeah, he's got like people scounging the internet
looking for people talking shit about him. Literally, these guys
are talking shit about you. On this podcast only eight
people listen to.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Do you have a I guess do you have like
a kind of a favorite comedian or someone you look
up to, someone you kind.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Of like like a lot?

Speaker 1 (41:46):
I guess you can say.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Yeah, I mean not right now. Really, I guess I
really don't watch a ton of comedy anymore. But you know,
I like theovon a lot, mostly because I met him,
you know, I've worked with him and stuff, and I
know how Hardy works. So like like seeing him, seeing

(42:16):
his work ethic and seeing like the success he's had
makes me happy, and so I don't know that that's
kind of a cool thing, like seeing him go from like,
you know, he's a pretty well known headliner to now
he's like selling out arenas and shit, he's like interviewing
presidents on his podcast and shit like that. You know, Yeah,

(42:37):
like he's at the level of famous where I'll probably
never get his new phone number. You know what I mean. Yeah,
and another guy like that is Chad Daniels. Like I've
known Chad for fucking twenty years probably almost.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
It's one of those things too. I saw him on
Kill Tony. That's how I know of Chad Daniels. Oh yeah,
and he had like that controversy with William Montgomery.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
So funny because I know both of them. Yeah, that's
so hilarious. And yeah, it was such a weird thing,
like I don't know, I don't because I feel like
they like, had they met in a different circumstance, they
would have gotten along, but they met that way, so
it's like a weird way to meet and not like
each other.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Yeah, that's so true, because.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Like they're both kind of like performing, so it's like, uh,
I don't know. I think like if they would have met,
like done a show together and just hung out in
the green room, they would have been fine. Yeah, since
it was like that circumstance where you know, I don't know, well,
we saw we saw it.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
William Montgomery comes out and starts talking ship like he
usually does. Yeah, and Chad didn't know that was gonna happen,
especially when it was directed towards him, like, Oh, why
don't you say something funny, Chad. Yeah, I would. I
would get upset about that too, especially you know, you're
a comedian who does really well. Obviously he's on kill

(44:04):
Tony for a reason. Yeah, so I could totally see
that as well. Yeah, I have a big problem of
following all of that comedian beef and stuff. I have,
like it's man, it's yeah, joke world though stupid, too
lazy to try Elephant Graveyard, Like, I follow all of
that pop.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
There's one I just saw last night. I think it
was podcast Cringe maybe.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Yeah, I follow him today. He even has a Patreon
that I want to join because it's so crazy.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Yeah, and it's like every time I watch it, I'm
like I enjoy it, but I'm like, what am I doing?

Speaker 1 (44:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Why am I watching?

Speaker 1 (44:39):
I'm so invested in someone else's life right now.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Yeah, It's like it's cool because I'm in the same
world as these people, but it's like I'm not on
their level or anything.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
That's a good example, like the level, Like we're in
the same world, but it's obviously like it's going to
take us a while to knock on their door before
they even let us in or look at it or
whatever the case may be.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Yeah, but I guess it's good to know that stuff
in case you do ever get on that level. You
can like, yeah, Mark Miron is a piece of shit.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Uh, that's right. Theovon would interview with Hitler and say
something like that.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Yeah, that's funny.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
But then again, you have those scenarios right where like
you become famous in the weirdest of ways.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Like I've heard the story of Ron White didn't really
become a real comedian until after his forties.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Yeah, see that blows me away. I'm just like, you're
not late to the game. On hell. You just got
to get out there and do it.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
That's right, dude, you just got to get out there
and work and do the ship. You know. That's You're funny.
You're a funny guy.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
You gave me one of the best compliments on my
one liner about the the Japanese one, where I'm just
like Pearl harbor.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Us so funny.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Yeah, and ever since then, I was just like, I
know I can do this. Yeah, Kurt Fletcher said, I
had a good joke. How can I not?

Speaker 2 (46:03):
It's one of those jokes I think about it from
time to time, I was like, man, I wish I
wrote that joke.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
That's that's so cool. I love that and I love
it so much. Yeah, I really that's that makes me
very I'm blessing, that's all. Yeah, I'm getting hard.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
It's good man, It's uh yeah. It's good to know
too that you have that ability in you to write
a solid joke like that, you know, because I used
to struggle with confidence, like wonder if I never write
a good joke again. But it's like, I'll write another
fucking good joke again. It might take a while, but I.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Can do it.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Yeah, Like when I actually sit down and try to write,
I can pump out some pretty funny shiite, Like even
if it's not a joke, like if it's just something
to make my nephew laugh, I just sit down and
type something out and be like, hey, look at this
and make him laugh.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
You know what, what's a what's a good writing process
for you when you start writing comedy or trying to
even work on jokes because you're also known as the
one liner guy too, like yeah, like you have a
lot of those in your repertoire as well.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Like you, Yeah, I'm actually like I just talked about
I just had another podcast I recorded. I'm trying to
write some stories because when I first started out, I
did have a couple of jokes that were like stories,
and I didn't like that style because usually because the
story wasn't funny until I got to the punchline. So
that's kind of when I decided to be a one

(47:29):
liner guy. So I was like, I'll just cut out
the bullshit and just tell the funny part. But I've
had a lot of like a lot of funny shit
happened in my life, like funny stories and stuff, So
I'm trying to make those into trying to make it
into material, you know. So that's that's a new process
for me that I'm just kind of now starting. Like

(47:54):
so it's it's definitely new because one liners are so
you're not easy, but it's like easy. The process of
writing it is easy.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
And the structure a little The structure is a little
easy too.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Right Yeah, yeah, yeah, because you like you figure out
the punchline and then you're like, okay, just write up
right a set up line rope or right around it
or whatever. Yeah, So like that part's easy, like coming
up with it isn't easy obviously, and like coming up
with the clever stuff. But but yeah, so I'm working now.
You know, obviously I was still write one liners and
things like that, but it's trying to work on stories,

(48:26):
and I mean being able to perform it too is
going to be difference, you know what I mean, Like, uh,
but but there are some some jokes that I do.
I've got a couple jokes where they started out as
one liners and then I'd add to it a little bit,
like add a tagline here and there and then and
then then all of a sudden, it's kind of like

(48:47):
a little story. So okay, so maybe I could do
it like that.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
I don't know, And there's no real That's what I
love about the comedy thing, is like there's no real
right answer of how to write it.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
Yeah. Yeah, it's like you know what my Yeah, like
the older I get to, you know, my style might change.
Like you know, look at George Carlin, how much his
style changed over the years and you know, from when
he started out to when he got famous and stuff.
And I think that's good for a comic because you know,

(49:18):
you can change. You don't have to be the same dude,
you don't have to be the same character or whatever.
You can change things. So it is nice being known
as a one liner guy. There aren't many of them
out there, so it's kind of cool to be, you know,
in that category. Two. You know.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
Okay, with that being said, how do you feel about
musician comics like a dude that brings a guitar on stage?

Speaker 2 (49:49):
How do you feel about that? I know a lot
of people like feel like it's hacky and shitty. I
don't know what I feel. Do you feel that way? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (49:59):
I kind of do. I kind of feel like I've
always felt like with the guitar, I can get probably
way more laughs than I would without the guitar, and
that kind of feels a little hacky to me. Like
it's just it's so easy. I feel like it's so
much easier.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Yeah, but I don't know, to play guitar to sing
at the same time sounds like it would be extremely difficult,
plus making it funny, okay, plus pausing in the right
times to make you know, wait for people to laugh
at the timing. Yeah, So I don't know. I mean,

(50:38):
I think it'd be fun to write funny songs and
stuff like because they're kind of like Nick nick Thune saying,
super funny, dude, He's got a lot of funny songs, okay.
And then there was a just talked about him on

(50:58):
the last podcast I did, Steven Lynch, I think his
name was you U still have a lot of really
funny songs, Oh, John lgois Have you heard of him?
I don't think so. Now he's got a super funny
song called show Me Your Genitals.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Okay, And that kind of that kind of becomes more
of like because one of the things you hear in
comedy a lot is like I can't do the same
joke after a while, but when it becomes a song,
that becomes more like it can be done over and
over and over again.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Right. Yeah, that's the thing about musicians and comics, like
you know, yeah, you as a musician, you always want
to play the hits, but as a comic you're like, oh,
you know, I don't want to do this joke every
fucking night.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
Or they know this joke every night, Yeah, because.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
You don't put the same energy into it, you know,
you're not excited about it. Like I remember a friend
of mine pointing that out to me when I was
performing one time, He goes, you I could, I could
tell when you're excited about a joke, like there a
new joke that you have because you get excited, and
I'm like, I was like, yeah, I need to learn

(52:09):
how to do that for all the jokes. Yeah, okay,
because I heard I heard a long time ago. I
feel like it was Dana Carvey or maybe David Spade
or something, but I think it was Dana Carvey talking
about how how you should perform your joke like it's
your first time performing it. Like I have that level

(52:32):
of excitement every time you perform at which is obviously
hard to do. You know, you get sick of telling
the same old jokes all the time, and yeah, but yeah,
the crowd can tell, like like if you're delivering, like yeah,
here's this shitty joke again?

Speaker 1 (52:46):
He again, guys.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Yeah, So I've definitely you know, my attitude I think
has changed on stage a lot. So I used to
take on the energy of the crowd. You know, if
it's a an energy, like a bad energy crowd, I'd
be like, here we go, this is gonna suck, you know.
But a lot of times, like if you put effort
into the performance, you know, you can change that crowd.

(53:11):
That's true, you know what I mean, Like you can
really it's like they're there to laugh, you know at
most shows you do. You just got to fucking give
it to them, like give them something to laugh at,
and then you know, I feel like if I can
get a laugh right away usually goes pretty well.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
So what is it you have to You have what
less than ten seconds to get them on your side.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
I don't know if there's a time frame, but yeah,
people say that all the time. They have a different
time frame. Yeah, you know, I've been told like as
a as like a solid headliner, you want to get
a laugh at a solid laugh every fifteen seconds. Okay, yes,
I think that's it's not bad for laughs minute.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Do you kind of follow that structure in all of
your jokes writing and stuff or do you kind of
just it just kind of comes naturally as you're up there,
like you're just like, okay, I'm getting ten laughs per
minute or something like that. Like you you don't actually
break down the math of it, do you, or do
you kind.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Of like to you used to? Yeah, Now it's just
like I don't know, I feel like it's a waste
of time to do it now because I know what
jokes work and which ones don't usually, And but yeah,
I used to all the time. I used to be
like really dorky about it. I would keep track, I
would record. I still record every show, at least the audio.

(54:42):
But I used to like rate the jokes too, like,
so I would keep it in a little folder based
on which comedy club I was at, whatever city I
was in, so like the next year, when I go back,
I can open up the folder and see what jokes
didn't work and which ones worked better, so that I
could base my set list on that, which which was

(55:05):
very helpful to do. But I kind of stopped doing
it because I could usually get a feel for I
know it's gonna work and what's not, usually in different places.
So okay, yeah, it's just I don't know. It just
takes time to figure it out. And that's the one
good thing about doing jokes over and over again is
the cool thing is like also like you could put

(55:27):
them in different spots in your act and see if
it works better at the beginning or in the middle
or the end or whatever. Like I like doing that sometimes,
Like I cause I used to be very structured where
I do. I wanted to do it in like a
certain order, which helped me memorize it that way. But
it but once I started getting more material, it's like, well,
I'm gonna change it up and stuff. And then once

(55:48):
I started doing that, it's like, well, shit, you can
do a callback to this joke here, and then this
and this, and then that works better there. So you know,
changing it up, you know, helps a lot. It helps
a lot. And then I don't know, I might be
just talking out of my ass.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
But you're like, this is from experience, but I don't
really know.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
That's I mean, it worked for me, you know, just
trying different jokes in different spots and stuff, and do.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
You go predetermined right away? You're just like, I'm going
to try something different or is it kind of on
the stage kind of?

Speaker 2 (56:21):
I usually it's usually predetermined predetermined. If I'm just like,
I don't want to do those jokes in that order
at this show, so I have to fuck around a
little bit open with something different. See what happens. Yeah, okay, yeah,
and it's fun. It's fun to do. It's fun too.
You kind of get out of your comfort zone a
little bit too, you know, because you you know, I'd

(56:43):
be used to doing those same jokes in the same order,
and then when you don't do that, you're like, oh shit,
this is this is different?

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Is it kind of you feel a little off rhythm
stuff too?

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Kind of? Yeah, a little bit. But I mean I've
got the I've got the jokes and chunks where like,
these jokes go well together, so I know that, you know,
for at least four or five minutes, I'll have the
crowd pretty solid there. There might be like a weird
little pause in between where I'm getting to the next
chunk that I'm not used to doing right after it
or whatever. But but I think I think that makes

(57:19):
you a better comic to doing stuff like that, you know. Okay,
yeah makes sense?

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Yeah, inside inside baby.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Yeah, that's right. That's right. Yeah. So are you You
said you're doing some shows coming up?

Speaker 1 (57:36):
Yes, I have cassadas coming up the seventeenth and eighteenth.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
I'll be this weekend No. No.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
Of October.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Okay, good because this episode is not gonna come out
till the twenty fourth.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
Yeah, I'll be on October seventeenth, seventeenth and.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Eighteen, eighteenth. Case dude, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Yeah, I'll be doing a show with Josh Adam Myers.
You ever heard of that guy? Oh yeah, okay, the
comedy jam dude.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I saw him and Tulsa one time.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Apparently he's looking for the The only reason why they
called me is because they were looking for a comic
who could play guitar very.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Well, no shit, yeah, so that's why I got the call.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
They're like, hey, I think he wants to do improv
riff at the end with somebody, and we're looking for
a good guitar, good guitar player. And I was like,
please tell me you're the I'm down. I'll totally do it.
And they're like, make sure to save these dates, blah
blah blah. He'll get a hold of you and we'll
plan from there. And I'm just like, sweet, that's that's dope.

(58:40):
This would be the second time I got to perform
at Casata's.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Nice dude. That's actually who I was texting earlier. When
I was texting somebody was Christian from Nice.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Yeah, do you have anything coming up there?

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Not as no, hopefully soon. I just did a headline
spot there, which was awesome. Oh nice. Yeah, that was fun.
But yeah, I don't have anything on the book. I
don't have anything booked in Albuquerque right now. I just
have some stuff around the state. And I'm going to.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
Taos and uh the burger stand? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Have you been there? No?

Speaker 1 (59:15):
But I want to go.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
You want to open for me?

Speaker 1 (59:19):
Dude, I'm totally down. I would so love that.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
What do you have a car? I do I have
a car? Do you want to drive out there? I
don't have a car right now?

Speaker 1 (59:27):
You don't have a car right now?

Speaker 2 (59:29):
No, I don't have a car right now. What time
is it? I think it's at like seven thirty or
eight on a Wednesday, right or Thursday. I can get
off that Wednesday. I can get off that day. Yeah, okay,
I'll leave to twenty fourth, the same day this podcast
comes out, twenty four All reah, I'll pay for gas
and everything. So let's do it.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
I'm down. Hell yeah?

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Open it up for a Kurt at the burger stand? Yeah,
hell yeah? Yes, give me a time. I went up there.
I opened for Eddie Stevens up there a few weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Okay, how did that go?

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
That was awesome. It was a cool little spot and
you get free burgers.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
So nice.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Yeah, yeah, sweet dude, thanks man. Yeah, I'll pay for
gas and everything, and I'll kick you down a little
cash too.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
And that's the best part about comedy, right, is that's
how you end up getting other gigs and stuff. You're like, hey,
I got to go this way. It's like, hey, I've
never done that spot. Do you want to do that spot?
And yeah, for sure that's I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
That is so sick. Yeah, hell yeah, sweet dude. Well
we just hit an hour or so, I'm gonna probably
stop it because I've already done two podcasts today, all.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Right before you before before we stop, I have one
more thing I want to talk to you about. Oh
for sure, these are these are just things I think.
I don't know. Do you tell me your opinion. What
are things that need to have a Yelp review that
don't have a Yelp review?

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
People?

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
Okay, that's one like family members or just random random
people like you should be like I should be able
to google Kurt Fletcher and see a good Yelp review
about him. Is that what you're trying to say?

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Maybe not me as a person, but as a comedian.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Okay, but yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
I think, yeah, I think comedians would be good to
have a Yelp review comedians of public restrooms?

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
Maybe right?

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Can I take a shit here?

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
Is there is someone going to do drugs next to me?
Is that more enticing to take a shit here?

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
That's good? Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
I've been trying to work on something with that Yelp reviews.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Okay, what do you have? What is your list?

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
My list of Yelp reviews would just be again family
members that I don't like, so I got to make sure, like,
oh man, if you're going to go meet my cousin,
go check his Yelp because he's an asshole, okay. And
then the other one that I have was public restrooms
because like, I don't know, I would think it'd be
gross just to go, like, oh man, I got to
go use the restroom all the way on the Central

(01:01:52):
and eighth because they have great toilet paper.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
It's what the yelp says.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
And then the other one I was thinking of is
just like your neighborhood's your neighborhood lawn care, So like
if your neighbor has a dirty yard, you're just like
this guy gets two stars because of hell, well he
keeps his yard clean.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
So I'm kind of like animals that are annoying.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
That's a good one. Or does do you have an
exotic animal? Let me find out on yelp right now,
All right, here comes the the baby tigers and everything.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Yeah, yeah, so you can figure out what that weird
noise is other people's animals. Nice. I like the family
member thing too, Like would it be like a like
an anonymous thing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
Or maybe one of those things where like, say you're
introducing a girl, your girlfriend to you like your family.
You're like, Hey, this is my family, but before you
meet them, you better go check the yelp review because
I don't want you to not expect anything or something
like that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Something.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
Yeah, but it wouldn't be like you know that, It
would be kind of niche where it's like, oh ay,
I'm trying to introduce you to my parents, but before
you see them, you should read their Yelp reviews because
they're good people, I promise you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
But the Yelp reviews are not that great. Maybe have
a section where it's like, uh, if you were to
eulogize this person, well, it would be like a positive
that you would say about them, and if there's nothing
you could come up with then you're just like a
one star.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
Nice all right, Kurt, that's yes. I just wanted to
riff a little bit with you. See if we can
do some stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
I appreciate that for sure. Man, that that was fun.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
I would like you to come do my podcast sometime.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Dude, I've been on your podcast. I remember, amuse me
TV right you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
Still want Yeah, but we should do it again. I
mean I got to got a little bit better equipment.
I've got a little bit more different setup. So I
mean I would just love to have you on again
and do it again.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Okay, I'd love to you. Man.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
Maybe bring the base and we'll jam. I have the setup,
you can hook up right away and you'd be straight on,
straight live right away.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Just don't make fun of how bad I am.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Another one bites the dust.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Here it goes, baby, here's seven Nation Army again. Kurt.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
You're the best man. Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Thank you. Man. I'll see you next Wednesday, for sure.
I'll get you all the details for that. And then dude,
if I'm in town, I'll come see you. I'd love
to see you, see you perform and see a jam
out at the end.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Yeah. That would be cool. I'm really excited about that
part too, so it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
Should be fun. Hell yeah, buddy, you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
Gotta know what to do. Follow me, amuse me TV,
Catch you later, yep, see you, buddy,