#005 - Mick Neven - In This Universe with Craig Griffin

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in me home. You're in my heart and soul, My
heart and soul. My heart is so.

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Welcome along Mick Nevin, the Nevstar, my brother from another
mother. I've always been part of the
Craig Gryphon universe. I've always been part of the
Craig Gryphon universe. And now here we are, actually in
the Craig Gryphon. Universe.
Well, you were there for The BigBang, like you were there from
when the universe first started.We're back there from the day.

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Yeah, yeah, the. Big Bang.
That's right. Which, you know, on that note,
it's it, it kind of strikes me that that one of the advantages
of the podcast is that it's kindof like what we were doing 30
odd years ago, you know, like early 90s was having a chat.

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It was just sitting around having a chat, you know, it was
that kind of tribal, you know, yeah, daily sitting around
overnight and having a few beersand chatting about, you know,
whatever had happened. And that's kind of what the
podcast is, you know? Moon landing if I recall back in
the day. I mean, nothing, nothing was off
limits, was it? You know, I was actually

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thinking about that when I thought, oh, OK, well, I wonder
how many of the things we won't be able to talk about on the
podcast. OK, let's let's look at only the
things we'll actually be able todiscuss from the 90s, from back
in the day, from like pre socialmedia.
And I'm like, fuck, it's going to be a very short podcast if we

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only have like the safe for workstuff.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
It's like, oh, it's been great. Thanks for coming along, Mick.
That's that's that's that's classic 2020202025 existence,
though, is like the The Post cancel.
Yeah, you know, when they go, oh, Seinfeld's Seinfeld's out.
Yeah, Seinfeld's out because it was it was, it was fat phobic,

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it was transphobic. It was, you know, whatever.
You know what other things ablest?
Yes. Sexist.
Yeah. And but then you're like, that's
what it's, that's what life was like back then.
You can't. You can't go back and just
cancel shit. Yeah, yeah.
Look, it's even the same with, you know, and I've heard people

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discuss it. You go back to like the old,
hey, I hate Saturday red faces, you know, and the blackface
thing, which you look back on now and they're like, you know,
you couldn't do it. It's it's like it's blackface,
you know, it's cult cultural appropriation and blah, blah,
blah. But you know, I've always said
you can't really judge back thenfrom now's standards and and

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what goes on. I'm not sure there's things
that, you know, went on back then that you just go, you know,
that was fucked. We should never have done that.
To be to, you know, to to be fair on hey, hey, it's Saturday
in the blackface at the time, Harry Connick junior did go What
the fuck? Is this true?
They're probably a little ahead of us.
They're like. Little more, little more

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sensitive to the whole blackface.
Yeah, you might say. American Harry Connick, Junior.
Actually, I'd forgotten all about that, but you could see
the look on Connick Junior's face.
He's kind of like, yeah. What?
Who were they blackfacing? Was it Michael Jackson?
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think there was actually a
few. There was a couple of different
ones. Yeah, and then Harry Connick,
junior's like, you can't, you can't do this.

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Have they just done this on TV? We're like, what's wrong with
that, Harry? We're just having a laugh, mate.
I've got some footing somewhere of my old man and a couple of
his mates. They were doing, I forget what
it was. It was some kind of a review
thing they were doing, you know,and he and his mates were
dressed up as Diana Ross and TheSupremes.

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So like, not only were they doing blackface, but they were
pretending to be women as well. They were like cross dressing
blackface. Yeah.
But again, like, you know, different times.
It was the late 70s, early 80s. Nikki, my apartment.
She's got one of her. She's a picture of her dad
dressed up as Mr TI. Think Blackface and Mr. T Wow, a
pitiful yeah was I read to be the other day.

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Mr. T chose Mr. T because he growing up seeing his dad called
boy. And so he chose Mr. T as his
name because he wanted people going to talk to me.
They're going to call me Mr. Wow.
Yeah. Do you remember Bert Newton
saying to Muhammad Ali? Yeah, Yeah.
And he goes, oh, I love the boy.And he's like, what the fuck you

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calling me boy? And he's like, he took serious
offence. Yeah.
He's like, I'm Muhammad Ali. I'm still gonna play along.
I get that there is a bit of a joke, but he was like, you could
tell. He was like, yeah, yeah.
You're seriously calling me boy like?
Yeah, this is my like that that retroactive cancelling,
retrospective cancelling. It's like, you can't, you gotta

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understand that these were that's the product of the time
and stuff like when like when they tear down statues, I just
see quite, you know, say there'sa some some there's a statue of
a guy up in like I'll pick a town out of out of the hat for
like in Traralgon in Gippsland. And there's a statue of some

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collar, some early colonial settler.
Yeah, who, who and heaps of shitin the areas named after him.
And then people are like, we need to tear this statue down
because he was, he was responsible for.
He massacred heaps of Indigenouspeople.
Yeah, like he was a leader of massacres and it's a historical

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record. Tear the statue down.
It's like, don't tear the statuedown.
Put the other information up. Yeah, exactly.
Just. Put the other like, this is the
guy, this is what he did, Yeah. And then let.
And then if he's descendants andthen like, actually, yeah,
that's let's take it down. Yeah, it's not, Yeah, he's not

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as cool as we thought he was, you know, But like, as soon as
you tear it down, that's a that's a act of like, it's an
act of not violence, but it's, it's an act of aggression.
Aggression. In that sense, and the other
people go fuck you don't tear our fucking statues down and
then. But like, did did we learn
nothing from like prohibition inthe 30s?

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It's like the big stick approachthat you can't do that approach
was never the fucking solution to anything.
Yeah, whether it's alcohol, whether it's drugs, it doesn't
matter what it is every time it's, it's information and
education. It's going to win out every
time. The fucking biggest big stick
approach has never worked and will never work.
And it's that old story. It's this constant fucking

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pendulum approach that we have as a society where we go, hey,
things are a little bit too thatway.
Like classic. We were watching, we watched the
the full seasons of Mad Men. Did you watch that?
Yeah, Yeah. And you look back and you're
like, fuck, this is actually like just about a documentary,
you know, like the the way they were treating women and then

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women were just secretaries and the drinking and smoking at work
and all that. You're like, that's how it
actually was. Yeah.
So to be able to look back at that now and go, well, yeah,
that was fucked. Like, how did anyone get any
work done? Yeah, You know, it's like
lunchtime, let's have a Scotch. You know, you, you're halfway
through your pack of cigarettes.We.
Just signed the Marlborough account, right?

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Yeah. It's like everyone get rid of
your palmow everyone break out the Marlboro or break out.
I forget. I forget what the what the
account was. Yeah, that was it.
It was like, it was like, yeah, four more mould or something.
Yeah, yeah, we're not smoking those anymore.
We're smoking these. No, it was a lucky strike, Lucky
Strike, the Lucky Strike account, you know, but it's that

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whole pendulum. See, rather than going, hey, we
need to slightly adjusting so that we're back in the in the
middle secret to the universe's balance, as I always say, rather
than do that, they go, Oh no, no, no, we're going to go
fucking full tilt the other way.And then we have to fucking
overcorrect and overcorrect. And it's like the fucking
swinging pirate ship at Disneyland.

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It's just this constant overcorrection.
And that's exactly the same withthe cancelling.
Like it got to the stage. And you know, as a comedian, you
would have experienced that morethan anything.
I've heard so many comedians saying exactly the same thing.
It's like with all the politicalcorrectness and, and, and the
cancel culture, you know, there was a lot of comedians that went

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from pretty much going, hey, I'ma comedian as part of the job.
I can fucking do and say what I like without restriction.
Like that was the, that was the gig, that was the job
description to just have to be alittle bit more aware of, of
what I say and, and how I say it.
And there's varying degrees of that.
You know, there's like some comedians that went up fucking

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changing nothing to some that are like fuck I.
The comedians who said aggressive, who said no, fuck
that, I'll I'm not changing anything.
They're not working anymore. No, no, you know.
Yeah. And I know every comedian I know
who's been in it for 20 years ormore has jokes that they don't

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do anymore, that they used they were doing 20 years ago, that
they don't do now because times have changed and people don't
laugh at those jokes anymore. Yeah, Yeah.
And you can say whatever you want.
Nothing's off limits. Yeah, when you're on stage with
the microphone in your hand. But the only your job is to make
people laugh. Again, back to Seinfeld, the
whole Kramer thing. Yeah.

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You know, and everyone's like, oh, this is part of it.
This is part of the bit, Yeah. And it wasn't until like a
minute and everyone went, oh, fuck, this is not actually part
of a bit. Like he's having some kind of a
fucking meltdown. Yeah.
He's. Flipped wow.
But yeah, so and the best the beauty of stand up is it's
instant feedback. You don't have to, you don't.

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It doesn't have to go to a panelof editors, doesn't have to go
through the writers room. It doesn't have to go like you
can do that joke in front of live audience and they laugh or
they don't. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
And it can be about anything. Your joke can be about anything.
It's just. And it's all about context and.

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100% You know, and like you say,the audience decides you do 10
gigs of that same material, Yeah.
And you just get no laughs and. Maybe I'm the problem?
Exactly. You have to go.
Yeah, Well, that's that's obviously not working.
This is, and this is, this is the thing that comes up all the
time because we do comedy workshops, funny coast comedy on
the Sunshine Coast, beginners comedy workshops.

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And you'll get dudes in there that'll, and like, they'll write
jokes about topics that you know, like they'll write, it'll
be something sexist or homophobic or racist and you'll
go, what, what are you? What are you trying to achieve?
I just, you know, I thought it'dbe funny.
Like Anthony Jeselnik's one of my favourite comedians, you
know, and he does that real edgystuff.
Or Louis CK, you know, he, you know, he does that real edgy

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stuff. So I like that.
I'm like, yeah, but you've neverdone a gig.
Yeah, yeah. They've got enough of a
following. No, it's not even a following.
They've got the experience, yeah.
To be able to pull it off, 2530 years of experience, yeah.
To be able to pitch, it pitched in the right tone of voice, the
right angle, the right words, the right you know, you can't

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just get up and say that. Shit, yeah, but, and again, it
doesn't matter how big you are, there's still been plenty that
have had a backlash on on what the one of the cleverest,
cleverest approaches I've seen is with a lot of Joe Rogan stand
up where he's actually doing a Bundaberg good Australian soft
drink. Joe Rogan, where he's doing, he
actually makes it part of the gig.

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And so he'll say something that's, you know, that out
there, that old school, and he'll go.
But look, I don't really fuckingmean that.
That's just that's part of the joke.
He goes because I know that you all fucking freak out in this
day and age and cancel culture. And he's actually written it
into the gig. Yeah.
And then straight after, he'll say something even more extreme,

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you know, And he's like, that's.Not.
Really. He's like, you know, I don't
really believe that that's, you know, that's I'm a comedian.
That's what I fucking do. But then you'll go even further
at the next time and you just like, that's a really clever way
of of kind of making it part of the gig, you know, there's.
Lots of ways to do it. I mean, the main ways to be to,

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to make it funny, whatever. Yeah, whatever.
Whatever topic it is you're talking about.
Yeah. Whether it's, you know, whether
it's racial politics, rape, homophobia, whatever, trans,
something about, you know, the, the trans whatever, make it
funny. Yeah, people, you know, it's

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very it's weird to and the audiences are different too, in
different places. Like I just don't know.
What year was your first gig? 2003. 2003 So like in that time,
you're lucky enough that you would have seen some massive
changes of, of how things have evolved as, as society's evolved

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as to what you could say or likeI can remember some of your
early gigs, like your earliest gigs, you know, I never saw your
first one, but I, I was there for all of the earlier ones and
like the amount of shit that youcould just drop and you could.
Just people just go, oh, really?And and then there's that thing
of like, people laugh and they're like, fuck, I shouldn't

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laugh at that, but it's funny and you know.
Yeah, it's all in pitch. I don't, you know, I've never
actually, I've only ever just tried to write jokes and it'd be
funny. I've never really sat out to
just go oh, I'm going to tackle this topic or I'm going to
tackle. This topic or anything?
Like that, it's always, and I'm always trying to be trying to be
nice and punch down and punch up, not down, punch up.

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But it's just in that sense of like, just like it, it was 20
years ago, it was different, man, what a old man thing that
he's 2020, 20 years ago it was different.
I was a boy, but it it. Wasn't better like it was like
there was it was less, no. Electric light bulb lit by

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candles with the shell on the. Ride a horse to the fucking
gigs. You know, sometimes you turn up
through a gig that didn't even have a stable yet.
Fucking unsattle the horse yourself.
Rub it down, give it the oats. It was like the ale wasn't
carbonated. Open mic comedy back then.
Man, you'd be lucky to fucking have a hitching.
Post out the front. You had to project your voice.

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It's like Shakespeare. Yeah, but anyway, it's like
fucking people are out there trying to get newspaper space by
saying, oh, political correctness is killing comedy.
Nothing's fucking killing comedy.
You know there's bad. Comedy's killing Comedy.
There's comedy on every night. Yeah, you know, there's comedy
on every night. There's heaps of fucking people
out there making a living from doing comedy.
Nothing's killing comedy. Yeah.

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Just people who don't write new jokes is what's killing comedy,
Yeah. And on that note, can I say on a
very serious note, even though we're talking about comedy, how
fucking proud I am of you 20, what, 23 years later, you know,
to, to see you go from from the very start, you know, to where

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you are now and, and watch how you've grown and evolved with
it. Mate, I could not be fucking
prouder of you now. Thanks bro.
Honestly, mate, you've as someone who's been there from
the very start and, and what yougrow and I, I mean, you hit the
ground running anyway. You were fucking bringing it
from the from the get go. But the secret is from what I've

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seen of your approach to not just that, but whether it's, you
know, it's acting or you're studying or your work or, or
whatever it is, is that you go all in.
Like, you know, if you're a poker player, you're fucking
pushing all the chips in the middle.
You, you, there's nothing half assed about.
If you go in, you go fucking allin.
You know, I can remember watching some of your early

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plays. There was that one at Griffith
Uni and you were like a dad. Do you remember that one?
No, the pregnant man, Was that him?
No, you weren't the pregnant man.
You, you were like a father figure.
It was quite a like more of a serious role.
But anyway, we come along. It was on one night at Griffith
Uni, back in the day at GriffithUni, Gold Coast.

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And I was just blown away. Like I was expecting you to take
a, you know, a kind of a little because you know, you're pretty
easy. You're an easygoing sort of a
person. You're not highly strung.
You're not, you know, you, you're not a highly strung kind
of a person. You're pretty easygoing and go
with the flyer. But to see your, your work work
ethic and your approach to, to what you did, mate, I was

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fucking blown away. Like it was fucking awesome.
And that was, you know, way backin the day, you know, when you
were just just starting out and doing some, doing some plays and
stuff. Good fun acting.
Yeah, it's good fun. Yeah.
Yeah. But, well, yeah, I mean, you
can't, you can't sort of half ass your way through much.
Yeah, really, Can you? It's one of the things, you

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know, running comedy workshops and stuff like that and dealing
a lot with open mic is, you know, early career comedians and
stuff like that. It's like there's no shortcuts.
Yeah. If you don't, you know, and if
you're living on this, we're living on the Sunshine Coast at
the moment based on the SunshineCoast.
But if you wanted to be, if you really want to be a comedian,

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then you have to drive to Brisbane, you know, and you've
got to drive an hour and a half and do shitty open mics and get
better and, you know, and so, and people are you can't, you
just can't shortcut that shit. Yeah, Yeah.
And everyone I know started out doing exactly that.
Everyone I know who's a comediannow started out by fucking going
for a 2 hour drive for 5 minutesof stage time or, or hosting a

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trivia night. Yeah.
And squeezing jokes into the trivia night in between asking
people questions and. And taking 30 seconds out of a
trivia night to run some material and see exactly.
Yeah, just busting their hump totry.
And you know, yeah, to for that,for that stage time and it.
And it's not. You've got to want it.
Yeah, yeah, 100% yeah. You've got to want it and that's

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that's all there is to do it. Sometimes you don't even know
that it and then suddenly someone pays you some money for
it and you just go. What the fuck?
Really. That much for what I just did
then Jesus. Well, and it you know, back in
the day, that was my initial reaction.
Again, as we said at the start of the show, like, you know,
we'd we'd sit around of the night and we'd chat, you know,

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the boys would all get together and we'd sit around and couple
of beers of the night and just chat about the day and, you
know, whatever else was going on.
And then you came out with, Hey,I'm going to be a fucking
comedian and, and make it actually make a living out of
being funny. And I'm like, fucking hang on.
So you're going to do like what we do every night, as in sitting

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around trying to make each otherfucking laugh and entertaining
each other. You're going to do that and make
a living out of it. I'm like fuck like.
That's. Fucking brilliant and and you've
done exactly that, you know. Yeah, I didn't.
I mean, you know, you don't knowit at the time.
I just bloody entered that competition because I was like,

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yeah, this will be interesting. Tell us about how it started.
What was the first gig? The first gig was the Legends of
Laughter competition at the GoldCoast Arts Centre in 2003.
Now, Hodder, now honing of the hearts, yes.
Yeah. I was performing back there when
it was the Gold Coast Arts, you know, mate, but I was going to
watch. I was watching the comedy a

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regular on a Friday night that aFriday night show there.
Saw some down in the basement. Down.
In the basement, Down in the basement.
Who did we see down there over the time?
Vince Saranti, Gary Eck, Kitty Flanagan was one I saw down in
the. OK.
In the basement in 2003. Yeah, well, well, Vince Saranti
too funny as fuck. Very.
Early career Kitty Flanagan. She would have only been gone

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for like 8 years. Yeah, OK, back.
Then. She's a 19 brand smart, so she
was funny. You know, she was super funny
back then, but no. And then one night I went in
there and I had a poster on the wall to say the Legends of
Laughter competition, First Price, 3 grand.
And you know, I, I was writing at the time, so I was writing
and. And this is 2000, this is early

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2000s. Like that's a lot of money back
then, back when we were. A boy, and in 2003 we bought a
house. Yeah.
Exactly. And a car.
What have been a house deposit? And yeah, and so I was writing
at the time. Not a real good house, mind you,
but. Writing a unit, A unit in Bud's

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Beach. But I was writing radio ads at
the time and I just thought there's something and so all
right, whatever. So I just rang up and entered
and then I was all right, I've got to write 5 minutes of jokes
and then wrote me 5 minutes. Did my first gig, won it, so
that was the heat and then the second gig was a semi which I
won and the third gig was the final which I came third in and

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won 300 bucks. Wow, nice.
And then? Which again, back then, that's
like a week's pay 3. 100 bucks is a week's pay.
Yeah, in 2003, yeah. And then and then just kept
doing it. And then shortly after that
moved to Vic and started to drive to regional Victoria to be

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a breakfast radio guy and then. Where were you living in Regal
Victoria Warrigal. That's right.
Yeah. Yeah. 9090 what was it 94.3 yeah
94.3 CFM shout out and I don't think they exist anymore but
yeah. And then started driving into
Melbourne. So what's it was like an hour

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from where we lived to Melbourneand then?
Which again was what you had to do.
You had to go where the gigs were you had.
To go where the gigs were, you want 5 minutes of stage time,
man, it's so fucking easy now for because it's all online and
you just have to email, you know, I'd have to like buy the
Herald Sun, scan through the ads, like the, you know, go the

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classifieds. Classifieds, Yeah.
And see where, what, where comedy was advertised.
Yeah. And then driving to Melbourne to
that comedy show, or sometimes you'd ring up the venue and say
hello. I'm a on on your landline, the
Rotary. Dial phone and then and then

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you'd find it. Ask who is in charge of booking
the comedy sometimes. Or for the early gigs, it was
more the hello, hello, hello. Sometimes they give you the name
of the person who organised it, sometimes they'd just go, no,
you've gotta come in and team show up.
So then you'd show up, drive an hour and a half into this to
whatever pub it was, find the person, run the show, introduce

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yourself. They'd say great to meet, you
got a spot in four weeks time orsix weeks time and you put that
in your diary 6. Weeks.
Oh, so you're not even there that for that night, No.
No, no, no, no, no shit. Wow.
And then, you know, or you'd ring up and then you'd ring them
and leave a message and ring them and leave a message and
then ring them and they'd answerand go, Oh yeah, you've left a

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couple of messages. You must be keen.
And then they'd book you, you know, and then, but then you'd
meet other comedians and do a spot.
And if you're funny, they go, oh, there's another night here,
there's another night here and stuff like that.
But you know, now it's just likeif I you, you get on Facebook
and you go to the Brisbane, you join the Brisbane open like
comedy Facebook page and there'sa whole list of all the gigs and

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the email number of the person that books them and what night
they're on and. Yeah.
And at the same time, you're building your own following,
you're on TikTok, you know, you're getting your material out
there. You're starting to build your
brand and get a bit of a reputation out there as well.
You know, it's it's it's the same for actors, it's the same
for musicians. That ability to be able to send

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your material with socials straight to your audience, not
having to go through, you know, yeah, yeah.
Through someone else. And.
And again, you're like start. Gatekeepers and. 100% yeah,
which? Is which is good and bad
because, you know, there are some very fucking average
comedians doing solo tours of the country.

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Yeah. It's like, what?
Yeah, you haven't got a good 10 minutes, let alone a fucking one
hour show worth $30. Yeah.
To the people of Townsville, yes.
What the fuck? Yeah, who's anyway?
But that's the way it is, so whatever.
Yeah, but, you know, again, coming back to hell.
Well, you've done I can remembergoing along with some of your

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earliest gigs and going, Well, yeah, in fact, it was probably
it was probably even one of the first gigs I've seen.
And I kind of went from. Fuck Mick.
It's one thing to be funny amongst the boys of a night
while we're sitting around, you know, but it's another to go and
do it up in front of 100 or 300 people and be paid money to

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actually do this. And I'm like, you know how you,
like, he's kind of almost nervous for someone else.
Fuck. Like he's doing it and I'm proud
of him. But fuck, I get up there.
You fucking killed it. You had him all leading out of
the palm of your hand. You had, you know, you had the
material, you had the timing, you had the rhythm, you know?
Yeah, you, you just, you had it all down and, and just, you

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know, just watching the way thatthe proof's in the pudding, the
proof's in the audience, like you say, it's that instant
feedback, you know, and just just watching the response that
you got, I'm like, fuck, you've done it, mate.
It's a, you know, benefit of hindsight and all that, but you
look back at you growing up and stuff like that.
I just alls I've ever really enjoyed or not all I've ever

(26:34):
enjoyed, but I've just always loved humour and I've always
loved jokes and stuff like that.So, you know, I used to read
joke books and then try and you know, like 1000 classic Aussie
jokes and read the whole thing from cover to cover.
But then like make notes in the joke book pages and then go back
and then write down what I thought were the 10 best jokes

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out of 1000, you know, and just be like, I'll tell those jokes.
The other, there's quite a few shit ones in there, but I'll
just, these are the 10. I'll try and remember and tell
people, you know. And yeah, I'd sit at the edges
of adult conversations and just like someone, wait for someone
to tell them. Sue, I've got one for your boys.
And then just like ears up. And you're probably doing it on
your phone now, but I remember back in the day you'd carry your

(27:18):
little leather bound book with your.
Pen Yeah, yeah. And, you know, whenever and
wherever some material popped up, you were like, fucking right
that you're probably putting it in our Apple Notes now, yeah.
I used to listen to fucking BillCosby records then and try and
like learn start to finish. Not as cool as it used.
To be no kind of lost some of attached him and Rolf Harris

(27:42):
just don't seem to have that appeal anymore you.
Know he's to separate the art from the artist.
Good comedy. But anyway, yeah, so you know,
we need the benefit of hindsightand stuff like that.
It's like part of being a community is knowing how to how
a joke works and all that. So benefit of hindsight you
think, Oh well, I was just endedup where I was always going to

(28:05):
be, I suppose. And it was always good for me to
be going along the gigs with you.
Like, I saw so many of your early gigs and just seeing what
went on around you, like, oh, everywhere you go, everyone's
like, oh, you're a comedian, Fucking tell me a joke.
Tell me a joke. So that became like a running
joke for us. Yeah.
Like, Mick, tell me a joke. Tell me a joke.
Oh, you're a fucking comedian. Tell me a joke.
A. Few jokes, Yeah.

(28:26):
Doesn't happen to anyone else, does it?
Oh, you're a fucking brain surgeon.
Hey, you just fucking have a look at, you know, disconnect my
frontal lobe for me. Had a good one today.
Did you hear about the bloke that fell into the
reupholstering machine? He's fully recovered.

(28:47):
Hey, hey. What's the no the 2 jokes when
someone says oh you're a comedian, oh you tell us a joke.
The 2 jokes I tell are Did you hear about the constipated maths
teacher? He worked it out with a pencil.
Ah yes, and what happens when you cross a Hell's Angel with a
Jehovah Witness? You get.
What do you get when you cross aHell's Angel with a Jehovah

(29:08):
Witness? What do you get when you cross a
Hell's Angel with a Jehovah's Witness?
Someone who knocks on your door on a Sunday morning and tells
you to fuck off. Gold, Gold.
And you've done some overseas gigs.
Tell us about that. Tell us about you ones where you

(29:30):
went over to. Was it Iraq or Afghanistan?
I think Afghanistan, Iraq was it?
Yeah. I've been in the Middle East
twice now to do shows do shows for the troops serving over
there, which is quite a quite a what's.
The an honour. Yeah, it's a bit of an honour.
Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

(29:50):
And full respect to you for doing it take.
The politics out of it, it's just about you.
You know, there's people over there that they didn't join the
army knowing what they were going to be doing, you know,
join the army to defend Australia and then next thing
you're over in fucking. Some shit hole.
Yeah, in the middle of nowhere, on an Army base in the middle of
the desert. Yeah.
They didn't choose it. So yeah, there's quite, quite a

(30:11):
quite a, quite a fucking experience, man.
And, you know, you go and yeah, they'd like, yeah, it's
certainly you've got to be a, a comedian who can make, can think
on their feet and, yeah, make jokes about where you are and
what's happening around you and stuff like that.
Because you've got to be able to, you keep trying to connect
with people who are out in the middle of, you know, soldiers,

(30:36):
lot of, you know, fairly young, but you know, you've got to talk
about what they're going throughand what's happening around you
and stuff like that. So you've sort of got to be able
to write Material 4 each gig. Yeah.
Sense, you know, you're at this air base and you're at this air
base, and then you're at this Navy base and you're.
Yeah, Yeah. Different types of people.

(30:57):
Yeah. That's the way to make it work
best, in my opinion. Yeah.
Sure. And and you, you know, I, I
noticed from having seen quite afew of your gigs is just sort of
got your you might, you know, I mean, it kind of works with
themes. You might have a certain theme,
you're doing a a particular season at the time, you know,
like you had the what was the cult 1?

(31:18):
Start your own cult. Start your own cult or whatever
the particular theme is. And then there's AI.
Guess what you'd probably think of as like your core, the core
part of your routine. And then there's some that you'd
add in and even on the fly, you had that ability to go.
I'm not going to run this one tonight.
I reckon that's going to work, but I'm going to add this in
and. You know, you can watch your
crab walk into a room and just be like, oh, I'll start with

(31:41):
this. Yeah.
And then I'll go to this. Yeah.
And if this goes well, then I could probably go to this.
If this doesn't, you know, whichbits of a joke are going to.
You can read an audience just bylooking at them after a while.
And that's the difference of someone who's just not feeling
it, just reciting, just saying the words to someone who's
actually using the brain, you know, and adapting it to the

(32:01):
audience and doing shit on the fly going, you know, it's this.
It's all different styles. And some people just won't.
Some people will be like, no, they have to come to me.
You know, I'm going to, I'm going to do my jokes and if they
don't like it, fuck them. But then, you know, which is
fine if your jokes are good enough.
But yeah, like particularly those Army gigs, you've got to

(32:23):
like, you know, everything's up and they're like it's, it's just
in a sense there's a bit of a court jester thing happening
because you don't, you want to hang shit on that on the brass
always. Yeah, yeah, you wanna shit on
the hierarchy? Yeah, hang shit on the
hierarchy, cause all the, all the most of the people you're
talking to are grunts. Yeah, They, they have no rank or
anything like that. And they're, they're eating shit

(32:44):
every day. Yes, because of the people above
them. So they wanna, they wanna hear a
bit of that, You know, it's pretty funny.
Yeah. One of the, the one I did the
Solomon Islands, the we'd been out on a which was which was
awesome. We went out on this World War 2
Battlefield 2, you know, the guide in Guadalcanal.
Yeah. So like, and, and it's insane

(33:07):
because they had they've, you know, it's been a place that
veterans come back in the, the Guadalcanal battles.
U.S. Marines have gone back there,
you know, to deal with the trauma and stuff like that, as
well as Japanese Army veterans. Yeah, wow.
Gone back there. And so they've had military
historians there talking to these veterans.

(33:30):
So the battlefield tours are insane because they can actually
tell you the names of the dudes that were in this foxhole.
You know, this is like where Private Eugene Lawrence from
Maine was in there alongside hismate Privates.
Fucking Dexter. Fucking whatever.
From Wow and. They they know the names of the
two dudes that were in this foxhole.
Not only that, they know the names of the Japanese guys that

(33:53):
were fucking because they've talked to these veterans.
To both sides since. Standing on the and then the
foxholes are still there and therusty barbed wire is still there
on the hill. And it's.
It's insane. Yeah.
Anyway, we did these and. And the guy in charge of the guy
was looking after us. He, he was a bit of, he was a he
was a knob. He was a captain.

(34:14):
And he was like a. He likes the sound of his own
voice. Yeah.
You know. Yeah.
And so during the day of hangingout with him and stuff, he's
right, you know, And I'm just like in my head, I'm like, Oh
yeah, I've probably seen that. I could probably say that.
Yeah. All right.
So I write, made a few notes about this bloke and.
And then? So you're writing your material

(34:35):
even on the day? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%
Yeah, yeah. You're writing material fucking
until 5 minutes before you go onstage.
Yeah, these. Gigs and I've literally seen you
do that. Yeah.
And and then, yeah. So I'm thinking, all right, this
captain, I'll, I'll, I'll say a few words about him.
And then just before the gig starts, you know, maybe 10
minutes before I go on stage, this this dude, this little,

(34:58):
this little muscly, nuggety little cat just comes up and
goes, are you the comedian? I said, yeah, he goes outside
with me now, please. And I go, yeah, OK.
And I'll follow him out. And he goes, mate, just to let
you know, I'm the fucking Brigadier.
I'm the guy in charge of this base.
And I've had word that you're going to, I've just picked up on
the Grapevine that you're going to maybe make a few jokes about
the captain. And I said, oh, I had a couple

(35:20):
of ideas and then he's just got up on his tippy toes in me face.
He's just gone. You know, you listen to me.
If you don't hang at least 10 minutes of shit on that fuck
Whip, I will. Drag you back out here.
And punch the fuck out of you. He is the biggest fucking idiot
in the army. He makes my life a fucking
nightmare and I wanna see you roast the cunt.

(35:40):
That's go. Meanwhile, you're like, I'm just
about to lose 10 minutes of material here.
I'm gonna have to fucking drop that whole part of the gig,
Yeah. And then anyway, so I went in
and just, yeah, you know, all the jokes that I'd written about
in work to treat and everyone pissed themselves laughing.
And it was a, it was a Friday night, no, Saturday night.
And so on this base like army, like the Australian Army's

(36:01):
pretty strict about booze and that.
So yeah, because there was. Make sure you drink plenty of
it. No, no, not in, not in combat.
Because there was a function on,they'd open the bar.
Yeah. So they usually only open the
bar one night a week. But then they had the the, you
know, because they're, you're over there with a band and a
couple of musicians and putting a show on for them.
And so they'd open the bar. So everyone was allowed to have

(36:24):
two drinks, including us. We're like, oh, we get to have
two drinks after the show, you beauty, Right.
And then, so I did my spot, hunga bit of hung a bit of shit on
this captain. And then he's dragged me back
outside afterwards. He goes mate, unlimited drinks
for you tonight. You're like.
Hey, it's sick. Thanks mate.
Waiting. Yeah.

(36:45):
Funny. And you're like, well, I'm the
fucking comedian that's actuallywritten into my writer anyway,
but whatever. Whatever.
Yeah. They don't.
Oh, that was, yeah, that was another that I did one in.
I did a couple of shows on 2 tours to the Middle East at the
air base in Abu Dhabi. Hey, Dad.

(37:06):
That's right. I remember you.
And, and the first one wasn't allowed to swear.
Like apparently the the general at the time was a hardcore
Southern Baptist. So we we show up, it's me and
two musicians and the Aussie guylooking after us, Our liaison,
he just said, oh, you're the comedian.
I said yeah, he goes mate, just gotta let you know, no swearing.

(37:27):
I'm like what the fuck are you talking?
About you What? What?
Yeah, yeah, what the fuck are you talking about?
He goes, mate. I know, but the general in
charge of the base is a hardcoreSouthern Baptist.
He doesn't like cursing. We had a comedian here six
months ago and he swore too muchand we haven't had a comedian.
You're you're our first comedianin six months.
So no swearing. So you've come along to fuck it

(37:49):
all up for him for the next 6 months?
Anyway, so, you know, and I'm like, so you have to open with
that and go, oh, you know, I'm the comedian.
And it's like the Australians are there, but it's a
multinational air basically. Yeah, yeah, mostly Americans,
but other people from other countries and stuff like that.
And yeah, I'm just like saying, you know, apparently the general
doesn't like swearing, so I'm not allowed to swear.

(38:10):
And I I normally swear a fair. Because he's a Khan Baptist, but
he's a fan. Southern Gentleman.
And then and and, and, you know,if so, if you see me go, that's
I'm trying to think of a word that's not a swear word or
whatever. Just bear with me.
So if I say fudge a lot during this geek.
But then like, I'm 10 minutes inand the guy looking after us,

(38:33):
Robbo, the Lieutenant Colonel Robinson, he who's even a
fucking champion of a bloke, buthe's he, he comes out on stage
and grabs the mic off me and he goes, stop swearing.
I'm like, I haven't sworn. He goes, yeah, you've said,
you've said a couple of like just in the heat of the moment,
you know, I'm talking to a couple of guys that are clearly
pilots with their moustaches andall that.

(38:55):
Look at these soft cocks over. Here you know and.
Everyone's like, yeah, soft cocks, pilots are fucked, you
know, all that and. He said cock.
Just a couple of slip and then Ilook over and Robbo points up at
where? At the tech box and there's this
little dude there who'd already warned me.
He goes, hey, if you swear anything, I'm just going to turn
your sound off. And I look up and he's like just
doing that. The the hand across the throat

(39:17):
motion at me. I'm like, oh, sorry mate, I'm
going to turn around to like 1000 soldiers.
Did I just get chewed out? So and then this bird comes
after after me after the show, this little American Dan little
high school sweetheart look. And she's so cute in the camos
and all that. You know, it's like, bet you
were the prom queen. And she's like, do you remember
her name? No, but she's like, you know.

(39:39):
It's like a Mary Lou. Is that, is that true what you
said about not being allowed to swear?
I'm like, yeah, 100%, man. I got told I'm not.
Let us you know the generals, not I'm not allowed to sweat you
good. Ah, that motherfucker.
He's such an asshole. That's having, that's having
talking the fucking fuck that zombies that motherfucking needs
to watch. Full Metal Jacket so.

(40:01):
Funny. It's great.
I'd say the best part of you randown the cracking mum's ass
ended up staying on the mattress.
I'd say you've been cheated. Shout out to shit you can.
Suck a gun Full through gun no. Shout out to Lee Emery.
Yeah. Yeah, who at the time you just
went fuck me, this guy can act. God damn.

(40:24):
And then you find out he's actually an ex U.S.
Marine Corps gunnery Sergeant. You're like, so there was no
acting involved. They've just gone.
You know what you normally do with new recruits?
Could you do that in front of the camera?
He's. Oh, sure.
Turrets to clean the head. That head so sparkling and
squared away. The Virgin Mary is proud to take

(40:44):
this. Shit, go in there and take this
shit. Serious Sir, crazy shit.
You're from Texas? Well, only steers and creers
come from Texas. I don't know.
If you stack shit that. Hard.
Absolutely brilliant. Maybe for anyone that hasn't
seen it, Full Metal Jacket. Put that on your list.
Yeah, so anyway, and that's a thing.
You're like, you've just got to be in the moment.

(41:05):
You know they made us do a fucking Battlefield casualty
clearance. Course.
Wow. OK.
Before we went into Iraq. So like you like, dude, I'm just
here to tell jokes like I'm not gonna Oh.
Shit right and but like and fullon like with the I'm learning
how to do use the tourniquets and and putting a putting a
wounded person on a stretcher and then signalling what's wrong

(41:26):
with them to the medic clearing them with.
Here's the thing, if you're relying on me dude, that to put
your tourniquet on in. Combat that was straight into
the routine. Then you're fast anyway, the
routine. As I walked on stage, I give you
believe these fuckers made me doa battlefield casualty clip.
As soon as shit starts, I know what's going to happen.
Someone's going to go. You sit the fuck down over there

(41:48):
and don't fucking touch anything.
Exactly. I don't want to.
I don't want to know what a fucking tourniquet is.
Yeah, Jesus. Again, like Full Metal Jacket.
You'll be like one of the reporters being pushed to the
fucking just sit down, put your fucking head down.
Don't. Move, but they let us keep the
tourniquet because because you've got to carry the
tourniquet and the field dressing kit around on your

(42:10):
webbing. Because it's a live.
Base in Iraq. So you have to.
You have to have. Oh yeah, yeah, webbing and
everything. Yeah, so we've got like, you
know, fucking body armour and ithave the webbing with the the
field dressing kit and then the two tourniquets on it.
But once the tourniquets come out of their packet, like the

(42:30):
the field tourniquets, they're they can't use them again.
Yeah, they're basically vacuum sealed, Yes, Now, once you open
it. So they say, Oh no, no, no, not
that at all. But like once you've taken them
to put them on your on. On they're no, not long or
hygienic, yeah, no. No, it's not even hygiene.
It's just like they don't anyway.
So they say you can either give them back to us and we use them
for training, or you can hang onto them and take them.
Like you never know when you might need to tourniquet.

(42:52):
Here's a tip, put them in the glove box of your car because in
civilian life, that's the time you're most likely ever going to
need to put a tourniquet on someone after a car accident.
So then so got the tourniquets in the glove box so they'll be
driving along. Every time you see someone, some
P plate a fucking cutting in a cutting in and out of traffic on
the motorway, it's like get the tourniquet ready, babe, we're on

(43:14):
it here. And then keep my daughter had to
do she's in she's nearly finished high school, but she
was doing they were doing a first aid, a first aid course
and they had the person teachingit just said, Oh, just out of
interest, does anyone anyone's parents keep keep tourniquets in
their glove box just in case? Like clearly like I was the only

(43:36):
one that put my hand. Up.
Yeah, my dad does put me when hewas when he was touring in the
middle. East.
My dad's got some PTSD. He's he used to keep one
strapped onto his webbing in hiscombat vest.
Oh, was your dad in the army? No, no.
He's a comedian. It's like the Blues Brothers,
Mister Man there. You go.

(43:58):
So that's that, but. Yeah.
Are you gentleman police? No, man.
We're musicians. I've watched the Blues Brothers
for ages. The single greatest film in the
history of filmmaking anywhere, anytime.
That's my number one. That's my go to.
If anyone says what's your favourite film, I've got a few
in the top 10. But if you can only pick 11

(44:19):
favourite film, it's Blues Brothers. 4 metal jackets, my
favourite film. Yeah, OK, yeah, yeah.
Speaking of which, yeah, yeah. Oh, look, that's absolutely
brilliant. There's, you know, there's very
few films that that can stack upto that.
But yeah, no Blues Brothers my #1.
What else about it, really? And what about in terms of,

(44:41):
like, comedy festivals and stuff?
What do you mean? Well, you've done, you know,
obviously overseas gigs. Yeah, Yeah.
You know I've done. I know Edinburgh's a big one on
the comedy. Yeah, yeah, that's actually
Edinburgh's starting today, I think.
Is it Edinburgh and Edinburgh Fringe?
Starts today. Shout out to the French at
Edinburgh Fringe. Shout out to everyone doing the

(45:02):
Edinburgh Fringe today. No, so I did it 2015 Sixteen
17/18/19 Yep. And then obviously there was a
couple of years off for the old spicy cough and then went back
in 22. But it has like they've had a

(45:22):
few dramas. It's just too expensive now.
So flights, flights are too expensive for a start.
And then I mean, but that's you can handle that because do some
gigs over there and stuff like that before the fringe starts.
You can cover your flight, but none of the accommodations have
changed. They've changed a few rules and
then just people cashing in on the comedians coming to stay.

(45:46):
So like when I 2019 Nikki, my partner and I Nikki, we shared a
room and it cost us maybe £400 each.
Per night. No, no, for the month.
Oh, for the month. Yeah, shared a room.
Yeah. Cost us 400.
Four 100 lbs each for the month.Yeah wow, 350 or something like

(46:08):
that. OK 700 like cheap as fuck.
Yeah, I was gonna say yeah, yeah.
When we went over in 22 it cost us 2 grand each.
No2 grand between us for the month.
So that's more than double. And then looking at it in 2324
and stuff like that, it's like, you know, people, people are

(46:29):
fucking living out, going over there now and living like
fucking backpackers, you know, like, yeah, three people in a
sharing a room together and stuff like that, which is, you
know, each step you can't I'm you know, you're, I'm a fucking
grown up. I don't want to.
Share because again, going back to your early days, like you
have to, you have to be doing those gigs, you know, especially

(46:50):
well, I suppose anytime, but youknow, early on you're trying to
make a name and get your name out there and get your face out
there and and. To a certain extent it's all,
it's all, you know, it was a profitable experience going
ahead. A lot of people go there and
lose money. But for me it was, it's always
been a sort of a fairly profitable and it was good in
the, in the timing of it becauseEdinburgh's now sort of August

(47:13):
and then you'd go over there with a, you know.
You'll have to stop back at the table.
You're going to be driving the poor folks and watching nuts.
So you go over there and do the do the month in Edinburgh with
your solo show and then by the time you get back to Australia,
that solo show is tired as fuck.Yeah, yeah.
And then ready to go for Perth, Adelaide, Melbourne.

(47:33):
So, So in that sense it was good.
It was a good planning wise. And then you make a bit of money
as well. But like Edinburgh's, for some
people, Edinburgh's had, it usedto be about getting found and
get discovered, and there'd be TV people in town, yeah.
OK, if you're. Getting good reviews and getting
some buzz. The TV people would come and

(47:54):
watch your show. Wow.
But that don't happen anymore. You'd have the scouts in the
audience. Well, no gatekeepers anymore, is
there? So yeah, you can TV people will
come because you've got a million TikTok followers.
Yeah, you make your own fucking TV show.
Yeah, that's right. Exactly.
You don't need the BBC or you don't need, you know, yeah,
people to come and watch your shit.
Yeah. So from that point of view as

(48:14):
well, it's not. It's not really worth it.
Whereas back in the day, you'd have to be signed, you'd have
to, you know, get a deal and yeah, yeah.
Yeah. And it's, it's, it's a you can
do it. There's, you can do it heaps of
different ways. But yeah, you don't, you're not
you it, it, you're just feeding parasites now.

(48:36):
And in that sense, so that the accommodation prices have gone
up because people are fucking trying to suck money, you know,
being parasitical on on, on this.
Like the music industry? Yeah.
And it's, it's the same as people.
You have to pay for PR. You want management, you got to
pay for a venue. There's all these parasites that
are just making it. Yeah, yeah.
Unaffordable, you know, So you're not actually, whether or

(48:59):
not you're achieving what you want as a comedian, you've got
all these fucking people. And you know, they say that half
of success in life is just timing, like your timing, 2003
couldn't have been perfect because you know, right around
the corner, you've got Twitter, YouTube leading into all of the
social media is starting to kickoff like 10 years, 20 years, if

(49:22):
you imagine you had us started 20 years back before that.
I mean, sure, people did it, butyou know, the that's a massive
game changers social media for everything to the point where
it's evolved now. And like you say, with the music
industry for, for actors, for comedians, for, you know, I mean
across so many different industries, not just performers,
that ability to go direct to your audience.

(49:43):
Speaking to people directly is good.
One of my bug bears is when people do their little bits to
camera on on on the social medias and they say, hey guys,
how's it going guys? Are people watching these
things? Is is there a group of them
together watching you? You're having a one on one
conversation direct to your eye.It's not guys.

(50:05):
It's hey you. How are you going anyway?
That's just a hey, what's up, Legends?
Looking down the barrel of the camera.
Hey, what's up Legends? What?
Is there a group of legends watching you all at once?
Who are you talking to you? Anyway, that's just me.
And what is more than one legend?
What's the What's the plural forlegends?

(50:26):
What's the? What's the no?
What's the the the collective noun?
What's the collective noun for agroup of legends?
Far more educated than I am. A champion of legends.
See all of that? All of that book reading when
you were young all paid off. A fable of legends, A myth of

(50:47):
legends, A myth of legends there.
You go that's. You are.
You are the man, the myth, the legend.
That's. Got to be the collective noun
for a anyway. If you're watching.
If you are watching and listening right now, comment
below What do you think the collective noun is for a group
of? Legends.
There will be a test, there won't be a prize.
Yeah, it's got to be a myth of legends, doesn't it?

(51:08):
Yeah, that'll do. We'll go with that.
That sounds good. Tell us about the funny Coast
comedy as we can see on your shirt there.
Hey, why would I advertise anyone's business but my own?
And just just for anyone watching who doesn't know the
Sunny Coast, doesn't know Australia, you know, quite

(51:28):
possibly watching from overseas,just explain the little play on
words in the name as well. It's.
Really, we're based on the Sunshine Coast, which is often
referred to as the Sunny Coast. So We Are Funny Coast Comedy Now
started in 2020 when we moved tothe Sunshine Root Coast by

(51:50):
accident during the pandemic and.
Was that in the pandemic? Well, 2020 was in the right,
yeah. OK.
So our first our first ever funny coast comedy gig was
October 2020. Wow.
So all of the the borders were closed?
Yep, QLD borders closed and we could only use local comedians.

(52:12):
Was that planned? What did you did it because of
COVID? Like you were going there
knowing that lockdown. Was coming, yeah, we were, you
know, we were living on the Sunshine Coast but then driving
to Brisbane, doing gigs in Brisbane and then.
But there were no regular, therewas no regular comedy on the
Sunshine Coast, and in particular no sort of regular.

(52:36):
There's a couple of theatres on the Sunshine Coast, the Event
Centre, Caloundra and the Jay Noosa, but they're 300 to 800
seaters and you know, when we'retalking about running gigs,
we're talking like intimate hundred 150.
Yeah. Small little rooms close to the
community, you know, proper, proper stand up gigs.

(52:56):
Yeah, yeah. And anyway, yeah.
So we just started running a gigonce a month.
And then after a few months, a couple of venues reached out to
us and said we would like to do comedy also.
And then five years. Later.
We're still running gigs. And who is the funny Coast

(53:18):
comedy? It's you and your lovely fiance
Nikki. Me.
And me and the lovely fiance andNikki.
Congratulations too. Hey, thank you.
Yes, getting married next year. But no.
Yeah. So she's a comedian as well.
So it's, it was sort of originally it was a bit like,

(53:39):
well, it's a bit of work for ourselves to make some gigs for
ourselves. And then, I don't know, we just
people kept reaching out to us and oh, you know, you'll, we've
seen you do some shows. Would you come and host this or
would you, you know, can you come down and be involved in
this event that we've got going on and stuff like that?
So anyway, we. Which again is part of the

(54:02):
networking and get your name outthere and.
Part of the game there, part of the being sort of based
somewhere. We like it on the Sunny Coast.
It's a nice place. So yeah, that's so we just keep
keep putting the shows on, whichhas various degrees of success
on that, you know. People can also keep up with
your your, I guess your second Instagram page.

(54:25):
Funny coast comedy no. Well, whoa.
OK, then. Your third one.
Yeah. The Van life comedian.
Van life comedians. Yeah, that's that's once again
that's. We'll make sure we've got the
links to everything down in the comments.
We'll we'll put it all in the BIOS, but yeah, people can check
that out. Yeah.
So we we live in a van by choice.
We're not losers, no. And if you are, it's a separate

(54:48):
issue altogether. It's funny, we always since the
since the housing because we when we first got together, we
talked about what we're gonna dowith our lives and put a plan
together. And one of it was to sort of
live in a van and travel around.We always on the road.
And and yeah, it took a, it tooka while to put that together the
the whole van like how? When you say it's a van like

(55:10):
it's a van like it's, it's pretty swish.
Yeah, it's a van and we leave itat full time with a dog.
And we're not talking about your1970s bicount caravan, we're
talking about a pretty swish setup.
It's. Not a Toyota Hiace, it's a high
roof, long wheelbase and, and decked it out ourselves.

(55:30):
Yeah. But so we, yeah, right back
early on, not long after we, when we first got together,
yeah. We're sort of putting a plan
together and then to like live and travel in a van.
And we thought that's what we can do.
And because then we're like, we're thinking about comedy
wise. We go, oh, well, you know, if
we, we've got a month at the Perth Fringe, we've got a month
at Adelaide, we've got a month at Melbourne Comedy Festival and
then we drive around and we go and do gigs in Sydney and

(55:52):
Brisbane and Melbourne and whatever.
Yeah, and then with and then we took, I don't know why it didn't
click sooner for us, but we're trying to think, you know, how
are we going to make money whilewe're in the van?
What's our And then we thought, Oh well, if we if we still, if
we can run funny coast comedy remotely, Yeah, then, you know,
look after the gigs and make sure we keep booking it and

(56:12):
marketing and doing all that we have to do to make that operate.
Oh, that'll generate an income for us.
Yeah. And then we just put some from
out of somehow. We're just out of the blue.
We thought, what the fuck are wethinking?
Like we're comedians. We can just drive anywhere.
Yes, we can do a gig anywhere. We can do a gig to Birdsville.
Yeah, do a gig at Birdsville 100.
Percent. Warwick We can drive to Casper

(56:34):
and we can drive to Peru. You know what?
Like wherever we are, we can earn you.
Know that's the gig, yeah. Yeah.
And then suddenly we just openedour eyes and just went, oh, so
that's, that's where the van life comedian thing came around.
So, yeah, yeah. Still doing writing writing.
No, I mean, I'm writing everydaywith comedy and stuff like that.

(56:56):
Yeah, yeah. No, I'm not writing radio ads or
anything like that. Yeah, yeah.
No, probably gonna. I should have.
I should write a book at some point.
What's his name? Tells me I should write a book.
Colbert just got the chop. Oh yeah, yeah.
I didn't know they were saying that.
That show was losing $40 milliona year, right?

(57:18):
Half the reason behind that was they had 100.
That's a one and two zeros. 100 writers writing his jokes behind
the scenes. Yeah, MAD, isn't it?
I think like in that sort of in an instance like that, you can
still have 100 writers, but you can only pay them if they're

(57:39):
getting if they're you've got toget jokes on the show.
You can't be sitting in a writers room getting paid for
the for not. The shows aren't long enough to
fit Yeah Yeah material in from 100 writers.
Yeah. And yeah, I mean, unless it's a
a collaborative writing it where100 people are sitting around,

(58:02):
here's a joke and they go, here's how to make that joke
better, here's how to, you know,and everyone's pitching in.
But I couldn't see that, not for100 people.
No. You've got to, you know, I don't
know. Yeah.
And even then, you know, the best people that have done those
shows or similar gigs historically are the ones that
can fucking think for themselves, think on their feet

(58:22):
and actually say funny shit themselves.
Yeah. And, and it does make you a
little bit, I don't know, I can't think of the word.
It is a little disappointing to then watch Letterman or Colbert
or or or Conan O'Brien or whatever.
And but they'd be like. That's right.
There's 40 guys. Yeah, exactly.

(58:42):
Yeah, 40 guys. Putting that shit together.
For you've you've sat around a fucking table and you've you've
brainstormed that idea out yeah,you've done 30 different
versions of how to say that one funny thing yeah.
Then you've probably got in a fucking a table of people and
done it around a circle and. Table read in front of.
A You've got some fucking feedback from your What do they

(59:03):
call your target audience? Yeah, as to which one was the
most funniest over multiple nights, and then that's the one
you fucking run with, Yeah. We were in America.
I was on in America on holidays when Letterman did his last
show. Oh, wow, that's a big deal.
Yeah. And then people were saying to
us, Oh no, there's no point going out to like is that

(59:24):
there'll be nothing on now. It'll be out like it's
Letterman's last show. Yeah, yeah.
Look, it's kind of a little bit like the James Bond.
You relate to whichever James Bond was in in your era.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, you know, he first came in, ah, he's just the new
fucking Johnny Carson, you know,he's Johnny.
Yeah. You know, and it's like, ah,
you'll never be Johnny Carson. Yeah, But, you know, made a,

(59:45):
made a name for himself. And I, because I didn't grow up
in the Johnny Carson era. I don't know who he is.
I've seen his gigs, but you know, Letterman was was the era
I grew up in. So he's the one I kind of think
of. And then I remember when he was
first replaced by Colbert and I'm like.
This guy's just no Letterman. Yeah, I'm sure he found his own

(01:00:07):
audience and probably, I don't know, maybe a younger
demographic, but I was just like, dude, you know, fucking
Letterman. It's insane the size of the US
market, though. And you're like, and they said
there, there's Letterman, there's Leno, there's Craig
Ferguson, there's. Craig Ferguson's the best of
them all. And like, he was the guy that
was on after the others. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

(01:00:27):
So it was, it was probably that bit of a thing of like, I'm like
the bee comedian, you know, I'm,I'm on after them, so I don't
have to give a fuck. Yeah, I can.
Do whatever and. His show was skeleton.
Smoking a cigar. Exactly.
Yeah, his show was the fucking best of them all.
He was the fucking funniest of them all.
And you know, as we both know, like flashback to Billy

(01:00:49):
Connolly, no matter how funny the fucking comedian is, with
the Scottish fucking accent, it's even funnier.
Like it's 10% funnier just because of the fucking accent.
That's that's only in Australia though.
Yeah. True, it's only in Australia.
Yeah, yeah, it doesn't work in Scotland.
When I first went to England, because because of growing up in
Australia, where we all have roughly the we're all got the
same accent. Yeah, it's just the Australian

(01:01:10):
accent. There's like 2, It's large.
There's like the Australian accent, OK, there's three.
There's the Australian accent, there's the north far North
Queensland accent, a little bit slower, a little bit more drawn
out, and then there's the Adelaide accent.
Yeah, but it's, and that's it. It's.
Largely the same wherever you go.
Yeah. 100% country. And so because of that, when a

(01:01:31):
comedian with an accent comes here with a not so much
American, I don't think, but definitely from UK, so they're
Irish, English, Welsh or Scottish, we're automatically
like, oh, I have a listen to this Funny Car.
To to Moen, he was a classic example.
You're like, he's 10% funnier, yeah.
Automatically 10% funnier just with the accent.

(01:01:52):
So when I went to England I'm thinking, oh we're on here, I've
got my Australian accent, I'm automatically going to be 10%
funnier. I'll speak a little bit slower.
I'll drag it out a little bit more.
How you going? How you going?
How are you? I'm from Australia.
How are you? Name's Mick and everyone, and
I'm from Australia. Yeah, we're good mate.
Have you? You can tell us a joke or what

(01:02:13):
you know. Are you gonna fucking be funny?
It better be more than this mate, because this is shit so
far and then because. They're like, mate, we've been
seeing this shit since Barry McKenzie first came here in the
60s an. Australian accent.
They just go to the pub and ask for a pint and they're
Australians. Ask for a fosters.
Can I have a fosters? Where, you know, they want to
hear a different accent, they goto a village fucking 10 miles

(01:02:34):
down the road. Yeah.
So these weird counts. Yeah, exactly.
There's. In a country where there's what,
50-60 different dialects? Oh.
Something like, yeah. And so this, they're flush with
accents. They don't need to hear.
Hearing a new accent is not going to make them.
No, not going to impress them atall anyway.
I must say, though, even growingup and hearing American accents

(01:02:57):
from comedians, that is, it was always like, you know, if
someone stands up, you take a look, they look Australian, and
then they say, oh, OK, is it? Yeah.
Oh, OK, let's fucking see what they got.
Because again, like you say, it's a different market.
There's so many people over there that their cream of the
crop is like, you know, they've,they've battled through 300

(01:03:17):
million other people to get to where they are, you know?
Yeah, that's true. You're right to the top of the
market. Over there, yeah.
Yeah, you've got to be good. Yeah, yeah.
And that's probably the point oftrying to go over and do gigs
overseas in America and and England.
You know, England's not as big amarket.
No, it's still bigger. Yeah, if we had any.

(01:03:41):
Australian comedians really kickit in the States.
Jim Jeffries? Yeah, of course.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he had his own.
Show over there. Speaking of late night variety
shows, remember we had that showover there show.
Yeah, Jim, ain't my skills doingall right over there.

(01:04:08):
Oh, who's James McCanns doing right over there at the moment?
He just did Rogan the other day.Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's funny.
He's funny. Awesome.
Yeah. He's.
What's he doing? He is supporting Shane Gillis.
Yep. So.
He's funny as fuck. McCann he like he did our he

(01:04:29):
headlined our Funny Coast gigs 2years ago.
Yep, and. You know, well, so you know, we
know where it's all started from.
It's like, you know, we know where he's cut his teeth.
It was, and we were, we were sitting out on our balcony
after, after the second night, you know, that he headlined and
and he's funny like, and a lot of people said you got McCann

(01:04:50):
headlining, like McCann's funny and then sitting out on the
brand of playing darts. And then I didn't hear this
conversation. Nikki just told me about it the
other day, but she said who she goes, James, you've got
everything it takes to be a fucking great comedian and a
great headliner. You've just got to believe in
yourself. And now he's on fucking Rogan

(01:05:15):
and he's like supporting Gillis in arena tours man, playing
fucking 50,000 stadiums and shitlike that because Nikki told him
to believe in himself. That's where it all started.
I just hope he he looks back andknows what that when they say
what was the defining moment that fucking changed your
career. Yeah, yeah, started you off got.

(01:05:36):
To be when Nikki told me to believe in myself, he's funny,
he's funny James, he's a good lad.
He'd never played darts before. And so I was showing him how to
play darts and then he just wentand sort of signed thought his
way through it. You know, if I do this, it'll go
in and start it. And then we, we had a, we had a
game of 301. He goes, hey, you know, what's a

(01:05:56):
game we could play? That's all right, no worries.
And so playing 301 and he got a like 110 peg on his first game
and like, pros rarely get 110 pegs.
Yeah, you know, And he hit a triple 20 and I'm like, Oh well,
fuck you. You just need a, you know, a 10

(01:06:17):
and then a double 20. And then he's hit the 10 and I
go mate, if you hit A. Double, double 20, you're there.
You've pegged out 110. Yeah, I hit him like as if it's
not going to happen. Bang, double 20.
I'm like, fucking this kid is something special.
And you're like, we're not playing fucking darts anymore.
No more darts. Do you play chess?
Yeah, it's still on the darts. You're quite the dartsman

(01:06:38):
yourself. Yeah, I play when I can.
Yeah, Play when I can. Yeah, we'll probably, yeah.
We're still setting up the van, getting the van squared away,
but we'll probably have a littleportable dartboard set up in
there somehow. Yeah, but not playing.
It's just on the road too much. When you're doing gigs at home,
do you have like a home base forfunny?

(01:07:01):
I haven't, I haven't been up there yet.
I'm gonna have to get up there and see some gigs up and up on
the Sunny Coast. I haven't got up there.
No, yeah, we just live in them. We're we're in the van.
So we were. We did have a.
We were. But I mean like do you perform
at the out of the like one home base location or do you have
different? Oh, no, we, yeah, we're just
gypsy promoters. Yeah, yeah.
To put shows on in other people's venues.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But no Soul Bar is probably our

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main. Soul Bar in Maroochydore would
be our main venue. Shout out to Soul bar.
Shout out to shout out to the good folks at Soul Bar.
So we have a couple of open mic shows a month and then one
professional show and then we doa bit of other stuff there and
then the Moffett Beach Brewing and yeah, a few others.
We're always looking for more venues.

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If you're on the Sunny Coast, you want a comedy show.
If you just actually, if you're anywhere in Australia and you
want some comedy. Exactly.
Doesn't matter where you are, comedians or overseas.
Yeah, we're the van life comedians, baby.
We go anywhere. We'll put the links in the
comments, but you can go to micknevinthatsneven.com dot AU.
Don't forget the dot AU. No, yeah.

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So McCann's doing well, I mean, if yeah, Monty Franklin's doing
all right. Yes, too.
Yeah, Yeah. Monty's, he's been over there
for years. He felt.
Yeah. So he's, he's doing all right.
Of course we exported one of ourbiggest comedians, Eric Banner,
but not as a comedian. He had to.
He had to become an actor. He didn't.
Make it as pointer. Has he been in any?

(01:08:28):
Movies lately? Is he still acting?
As he's got one out I mean he did that sequel to the Dry and
there's a new one at the moment.It escapes me, but I'll flash it
up on the screen. It'll be here.
The new one. He's just got out at the moment.
It's a big American one. I can't think what it was.
He's very good in chopper. That's, I mean, look, to take
nothing away from all the other roles he's done since, that was

(01:08:52):
definitely his best role ever asan, as an Australian, you know,
I mean, and it's he's pretty much become folklore.
Even Chopper, the guy he played said you did a bit of Chopper
than I ever did. You know, it's, it's, yeah.
Never fucking battle. But seriously, yeah.

(01:09:15):
You've gone and made your mum upset.
Look what you've done. Look what you you've upset your
mother. Fuck.
It brutal, brutal. The word is you have got some
cash for me. That's just the word, but I can
pick it up now if you like. So good.

(01:09:37):
I wonder how well it translates.I mean, again, I've heard, I've
heard them talking about Eric Banner being in this movie
Chopper on Joe Rogan. But I and I remember thinking at
the time, I wonder if it's a movie, if people watch it, if
they're gonna get it. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because we all grew up with, you
know, Chopper, who was this kindof celebrity gangster, you know,

(01:10:01):
within his own right. And so we kind of had that frame
of reference of knowing, you know, who Chopper was.
Yeah, I used to shop the few books.
Wow, OK, that's your claim to fame.
Shoplifty's books. Yeah, when I was a broadcast uni
student anyway. That, that boy, that, that

(01:10:22):
mutual friend of ours that, thatwe've got he, we won't say his
name because in case they're still looking for this bloke,
but his mate used to call up from Tassie and he was actually
in witness protection. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
On the run from from Chopper andall the crew.
And he was the guy that back when when, and they reenacted it

(01:10:43):
in the movie back when Chopper says to his mate, he says grab
this, this beer bottle and go and stand up there.
And he take, I think he had likeA357 magnum and he shot the beer
bottle out of his hand. He was the guy that was actually
holding the beer bottle. Yeah.
And yeah. I knew there was a connection
there somewhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
When someone. Got he's like, you'd never guess
who just rang me. He's like, oh, this guy, I don't

(01:11:06):
even know his name, but he's like this guy such and such.
He's like, do you remember seeing him on?
What was it, 60 Minutes or Current Affair?
I think it was A Current affair.And he's got the reporter and,
you know, he gets his mate to hold out the beer bottle.
He goes, he's the guy that held out the beer bottle.
And I'm like, really? He goes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He ended up giving the police a little bit of information and

(01:11:28):
now he's in with this protection.
I'm like. Wow, I did AI did a spot at the
I did a spot at a chopper show Chopper and Mark Jackson.
Well, I was going to say when they were travelling around
together, yeah. What were they?
What were they called? The wild colonial boys wild
colonial. Boys, I was going to say,
because Mark Jacko Jackson was the what were they, The

(01:11:52):
Highwaymen? Remember that show where he was
in the Highwayman? No.
He went to the States and he cracked it over there for a
little while and he was, He was.Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He was huge over there for a while.
It was around the time of the Ever Ready Battery commercials
that oy oy, you know, Yeah. And yeah, he went over there.

(01:12:14):
He was in some kind. It was like Knight Rider, but it
was a truck. Rider.
He was the highway man and he was in this like, you know, high
tech truck from the future kind of thing, and he was the
highwayman. That's a great pitch.
Yeah. Listen, I've got it, Knight
Rider. But but he's a truck Truck.

(01:12:34):
With an Aussie doing the Aussie accent.
Aussie. Yeah, with an Aussie truckie.
I like it. It'd be popping out a lot of oi
oi, I mean like we. Were in the Surfers Paradise one
day and someone just went is that Mark Jackson?
And we look up and is that Jacko?
And then sure enough there's Jacko walking down Orchid Ave.

(01:12:54):
We were in one of the bars facing the street and then
someone from another bars just yelled out and he's still going.
Did he get it? Just cracked up the whole
street. Yeah, it was very funny.
That's like the comedian George Similovich.
I was working behind a bar one time and he's, he's come up to
sign in, you know, and he walks in and go, what's your name?

(01:13:19):
He goes George Similovich. I said, is that George?
Because that was his, that was his thing, you know, in his
colony. His name's George Similovich.
That's for everyone. That's George.
And I'm like, is that George? And he's just lost his shit.
He just cracked up. He's gone, mate.
That's 30 years ago. People are still doing that.

(01:13:41):
I'm like, yeah, fuck, some of usare old enough that we'll
remember that shit. You know, that's funny.
He Doug Sommelovich actually still lives on the Gold Coast,
does he? He.
Must be fucking old now. He'd be getting up there.
He was. He was a classic.
He was a funny bastard. I've never seen.
I've never, never, never never worked with him, never seen him.

(01:14:01):
No, did you I I I had never seenI still don't think I've seen
live footage of him. But I had had the tape had his
like his tape back when there was like a when it was the old
cassette tape and and that was funny.
He did all of that. Remember.
I'm tough. How tough are ya?
How tough are ya? I'm so tough.

(01:14:23):
I go to a funeral where and a life be in a T-shirt.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He goes.
I remember when I was five yearsold, my dad come in and he goes,
son, I'm going to make a man of ya.
And he goes, I don't want to be about I'm a fucking 5 year old
boy. And he goes, son, I want you to
begin by making your bed. So he'd give me a hammer and
nails and wood. He'd say make your bed, make

(01:14:43):
your fucking bed. He's oh wait, my fucking bed.
Oh, he had this half. I was funny as he was funny
fucker. That's George.
Shout out to George Smelovich. Hello.
George. And the dream, like ideally,
would you like to have your own permanent venue, like a look at

(01:15:06):
what Rogan's done shifting out of LA Oh, yeah.
During the making Austin during COVID went to Austin.
He's now open the comedy mothership.
Yeah. That's and it is massive.
Yeah, it's, it's it's bad how quickly it's changed.
Like everyone, people used to goto America and I, they'd either
want to go to LA and play the store and the the the the the

(01:15:31):
improv. Yep.
Or they want to go to new. York, NY.
And play the cellar. Yeah, yeah.
And work and all that sort. Yeah.
No one who goes to New York and LA anymore.
No. We'll just go on, Austin.
Yeah, well, you know, even I've heard Rogan say about how many
other comedians shifted to Austin as well.
And then he's also got the the contacts that, you know, he has

(01:15:53):
people there all the time, everyother night of the week, you
know, and. Like you know, people are lying
running up down the street to get on, kill Tony and do 3
minutes. Yeah, yeah.
Well, or even a minute. Yeah, yeah, you know, they had
that. That's that's so good to kill
Tony and, you know, get up. And funny thing is, they do a
one minute gig and then 4 minutes about themselves, which
is great. Like giving back, you know, to

(01:16:15):
people just cutting their teeth.Yeah.
I mean minutes. That's used to be 5 minutes.
I was going to say I think I think a minute's even harder
than 5 minutes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Because at
least I've, I mean, I've never done stand up.
I'd love to, I'd love to one that's actually on my bucket
list to do 1 stand up gig. I don't want to be a comedian,

(01:16:36):
but just to do 1 stand up gig just to say I've done it.
We've. Got 2 open my shows a month we
can. Fit you in?
Yeah. Nice.
OK, so I'll get a gig up at the funny Coast comedy.
We'll. Fit you on the lineup?
Yeah, nice. You might have to give me some
coaching beforehand. No.
Yeah, but it is like, and it changed overnight.
Yeah, much like the the the way it, you know, I'm like, what are

(01:16:57):
you, what are these? And I'm not, I don't listen to
podcasts very much. I'm very, you know, but.
Unless it's the Craig Gryphon universe, well.
Apart from. The Craig Gryphon universe.
Yeah, fair call. And the dollar, but yeah, the
the speed in which it was, I'm like, what's he doing in Austin?
And then what? He's in Austin, too.
What's what's going on there? She's in Austin, Yeah.

(01:17:18):
And then you then and then you just the pieces fit.
Oh, it's all. It's all changed.
Yeah, yeah. Yes, so I've done gigs in New
York. But yeah, like you say, Once
Upon a time, well, it was the same with acting.
Acting, pretty much. Acting, you know, any
performers, acting, musos, you know, musicians, comedians.

(01:17:41):
You're in it, either in LA or New York.
Yeah, yeah. It's no gatekeepers, is it?
No. Make your own shit, Yeah.
Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What's his name played? Oh, I've gone blank.

(01:18:02):
Patrick, the guy who was in Terminator.
What's his name? Played who?
What? You know, he was the Terminator
in Terminator 2, Patrick. I know the you know, he was the
first liquid Terminator. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Someone Patrick, go on blank on his.

(01:18:23):
I was only watching him the other day on Instagram saying
about how, you know, so the way the, the industry's changed,
like Once Upon a time he was only doing gigs in LA.
Now it's very rare to do any, any acting gigs in LA.
You know, it's very rare to actually shoot.
He said. He said, like, I live in LA, so
I like working in LA because I go home to my own bed every

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night. But he said it's, you know, it's
very rare to do any gigs actually, you know, they're on.
He's in Canada or Georgia or, you know, it's, it's always
someone else, somewhere else. Everyone wants that film money
now, don't they? So they're going tax dodges and
yeah, you know, you can just have the studio for free and all
that shit. Yeah, yeah.
Well, you know, that's part of what's what's kept the film

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industry over here going. It's just the massive incentives
that we offer for them to come over here and you know, you.
Get those Americans in. Yeah.
How's your American accent? Mate, awesome.
Because if you don't have one, you're not going to.
You're not going to work. And again, that was like, never,
never as true in COVID. You know, so many shows were

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being shot over here because we're one of the few places you
could still actually work. Yeah.
I remember Shawna had that gig on Young Rock.
Did he? He was working with the Rock.
Yeah. Really.
Yeah. Yeah.
I didn't know. Shout out to Shawna.
Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, right.

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Yeah, the Young Rock I, I auditioned for a couple of bits,
Couple of bits in the Young Rock.
OK. Didn't get him.
My audition claimed to fame was for the Elvis movie Tom Hanks's
film. Yeah, playing one of the mafia
guys in the casino. Yep.
But apparently I wasn't gangster.
Enough. Not gangster enough, was he?

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Have you watched it? Yeah.
Did you see the guy who got the part?
Yes. Was he gangster enough?
I could have done a better job. I'm biassed.
That's the funniest bit about watching when when you you know,
you get you get your audition and you think, no, I'm not right
for this part. And then you see whatever it is

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come on, whether it's an ad or ATV show or a movie.
And then it's someone just the complete opposite of you.
And you're like, I knew it. Why did you even send me that
shit, you know? I had, I, I had that.
Singing director doesn't know what they want.
No, I was like, let's see who's out there.
Yeah, I had an audition when Pirates of the Caribbean was

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shooting here, and it was to be,what's his name, Geoffrey.
Geoffrey Rush was to be GeoffreyRush's stand in.
Yeah, right. And it got down to me and three
others. There was there was four of us.
So we go up to Warner Brothers Movie World or the Warner
Brothers Studio next to Movie World there on the Gold Coast,
and we had to rock up this down to the last four of us.

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And I get there and there's me and two other blokes there and
we're waiting around to go in the 4th bloke rocks up, He's
fucking Geoffrey, rushes twin. Ohh, my God.
Fuck. Well, I might as well go.
There goes that fucking thing. He got it.
Of course, you know, it was likehe's fucking twin.
He was exactly the same height, exactly the same Bill.

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I mean I would not wanna be and I don't think like good
experience. Yeah, well, that's it.
I'd only just started out, so I was, you know, to to get on a
gig like Pirates of the Caribbean.
I was staked. Good.
Experience and good coin and stuff like that.
But man, when you watch standings at work, you know if
you do an extra work or whateverportal, they're just standing
there. It's like, yeah, sucks, you
know? Can you put your arm back up?

(01:22:02):
Thank you. Now just keep it there a bit
longer. Bit longer.
Just hang on. How's this light?
I think it needs to brighten up a bit.
No, Put your arm back up please.OK, we're all going to have to
stop for lunch. If you could just stand in that
exact position for the next hour, we're going to have
someone bring you a plate of food.
Don't fucking move. But anyway, it's a good

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experience when you want to learn how a film set works and
all the fucking all the shit. That goes on, yeah, 100%.
Hey, quick break. Let's take a break.
Let's do it. And we're back, all freshed, all
refreshed again thanks to Bundaberg Creaming Soda.
Australian family aren't. It is.

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It's the goods more famous in Australia for their rum.
They don't make the rum. They're a different one.
Bundaberg, same company. Bundaberg rum.
Bundaberg, Bundaberg Rum, it's the same, yeah.
And Bundaberg rum. Same company.
Are they? Yeah.

(01:23:05):
Come me, catch up. All right.
Can I look that up? You can look that up.
I suggest you do it now. Look it up, Jamie.
Is Bundaberg. We can't afford to have someone
to look up our stuff online, so we're just going to have to look
up our own ginger. Yeah, no, it's the same company,
Bundaberg rum and Bundaberg softdrinks.

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It's all made in the same place.Is Bundaberg ginger beer and
Bundaberg rum the same company? No.
What? No.
Bundaberg Ginger Beer and Bundaberg Rum are not the same
company. They are separate entities that
have recently collaborated on a new alcoholic ginger beer
product. Wow.
Bundaberg Ginger Beer is made byBundaberg Brewed Drinks, a

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family owned Australian company that focuses on soft drinks,
while Bundaberg Rum is owned by Diageo.
Not even Australian rum anymore.That's you can shove your
fucking Bundaberg rum up your ass mate.
They've sold out. Wow, no more.
Gone the way of the Acubra. Gone the way.

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Of the fucking Blundston. The Fosters.
The harm? The Blundston Boot, the CUB,
the. VB The tooties.
Unbelievable. So where's it?
Where's it made now? Bundaberg rum, probably.
Still in Bundaberg, but it's owned by D it's NGO.
Who are they like? Yeah, a multinational drinks

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corporation, I believe. Wow, I always assume that
Bundaberg Soft Drinks and Bundaberg run with the same
company. There you go.
Yeah, I bow down to your infinite trivia, wisdom and
knowledge, Queen. Diageo is a British
multinational alcoholic beveragecompany headquartered in London,
England. Wow, have a fucking Bundaberg.

(01:24:51):
Rundy, have a fucking Bundy get a fucking in ya I'll.
Give you a fucking stab mate. You're taking a piss?
Yeah, They are taking our piss. They're taking our piss
offshore. Wow.
Oh, I'll. Do a bit about that tonight.
Yeah, I just found out Bundabergrums owned by the.
British and I'd just like to officially say a big fuck you to

(01:25:15):
Bundaberg rum. Yeah, Wow, you're fucking.
You're asking for a fucking slap.
Governor, remember the kick up when they sold Vegemite?
Yes, Craft. Yeah.
But it's come back. It's come back.
Yeah, yeah. Who else did they?
Oh, everything gets. I was.
Gonna say what? Hasn't everything?

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Yeah. Sold.
His Aaron Williams got sold. No, no, Oh no.
Still Australian owned and Australian made.
Aaron Morris. Andrew Forrest bought him back.
Didn't he? Did he?
Yeah, I think so. Wow, nice put.
Him back under the Australian umbrella.
Yeah, wow. Breaks your heart though when
you see these Australian like they're more than just brands,

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they're icons. This is the.
Like there's a, you know, when you, you hang out, I, I tend to
drink craft beer. And part of the I like, part of
the reason is I like the fact that it's independently,
generally speaking, independently owned and brewed
in Australia, you know, and it'sa locally owned and all that

(01:26:23):
sort of shit. Yeah, yeah.
And then you get these like, youknow, you don't want to use the
term bogans or whatever, We're all, we're all just people.
But people like Staunt like craft beers for fucking poofters
mate you. Know.
Oh, you mean like bogans? Oh, you drink that craft?
Oh, you like, got enough fruit with your beer, mate?
Like, what are you drinking? Oh, you're fucking putting some

(01:26:46):
money into the pockets of the Japanese.
Hey, mate, enjoy your Japanese cat's piss, man.
Fucking idiots. Anyway, yeah, like it's all,
it's all owned by who's the I think it's like Coopers is
owned, still family owned. Yep, Yep, South Australia.
Coopers are still family owned and then that's pretty much it.
And then you've got all of the like the more boutiques sort of

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be companies that have all started up your stone and wood.
Stone Woods. What was?
The one at Byron the the 55 mates was it?
Stonewood is the Byron. Yeah, there's another one too, I
think it's called 5 Mates. Is that the bar and buying
lager? Five friends or five mates, it
was 5 blokes just got together and I think they ended up
selling it, I think to one of the bigger breweries.
Bolters. Yeah.

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Sold out. Yeah.
I mean, that's the business. But even just around here, we've
got Husk Brewery, you know, there's a a few of them that are
not too far from here that are all brewing their own.
Yeah, and it's, you know, I meanthe the business model for a
craft breweries startup. Get big enough that you attract
the attention of a multinationalsuch as Kieran or.

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So you start up, you market it to the fact that we're a family
owned company. Yeah, yeah.
And then you sell it off to somemultidational. $100 million and,
and, you know, double your money.
What's the Sapporo, Sapporo, Sapporo, Sapporo, Asahi, Asahi?
Asahi. When are we to Japan?
Yeah, Saahi and Kieran are the 2main, the two big Japanese ones

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that own most of the Australian stuff.
The Asahi headquarters is like abeer, so I was like gold, but
then with a white frothy top on it.
Ah, the building. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, I was. Walking, walking along the river
in Tokyo and I look up at this building.
I'm like, that's a pretty distinctive building.

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And then hit the Google Maps. Oh, it's a Sahi headquarters in
the shape for beer, A Japanese so clear who was doing ads.
For them, was it Hugh Jackman orI think it was Hugh Jackman
wanted the big Aussies was doing.
So because heaps of Australian celebrities go and do Japanese
ads and stuff you never hear of.Them no no, no, and he did that
one for Lipton iced tea. Remember that oh brilliant clip

(01:29:02):
Everyone have a look. Google Hugh Jackman Lipton iced
tea ad and it was what did they pay him?
It's like 1,000,000 bucks or 50 million bucks or something,
something like right up there. And he's basically dancing as
this whole because, you know, he's a, he's a dancer, singer,
actor, singer, you know, all rounder.
And he, he does this whole thingwhere he's like dancing through

(01:29:24):
this building and through the water.
And, you know, it was all Curry about.
It was awesome that it was really, really cool.
Yeah. Hey.
There you go. How'd we get on to that?
Oh, Bundaberg. I can't believe Bundaberg's
owned by the English of all the fucking people.
The actual fuck? Yeah.
Anyway, wow. And again, like, not just a
brand like that was iconic. Iconic The Bundy Bear.

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The Bundy bear. Some of the best commercials
made too. The Bundaberg bear ads.
Wow, they were right up there with the the Coca Cola polar
bear. Ads.
We're not just podcasting, Craig.
We are learning. We are learning as we go and and
shattering illusions as we go. I know I would have bet the bet

(01:30:07):
the farm that Bundaberg soft drinks and Bundaberg run with
the same company. Yeah, I knew they were.
I knew they were different. Wow.
For some reason I knew and but also I didn't know that I
thought Bundaberg might have still been independent.
Yeah, but wow, I'll tell you oneof the other great fucking
minds. I don't think it's a great tour.

(01:30:28):
The rum. Factory.
The Bundy rum factory, Yeah, I've not been on it, but OK, the
old man went up and did it. Yeah, I, I know someone used to
work up there. They used to do the night shift
up there in the in the brewery. Yeah, because it ran 24/7.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, fuck, enough of that
British rum, yeah. Love to fuck him yeah, I'm in
there the. Old man, he got A and he got a

(01:30:51):
bottle made up like with his name on it and stuff like that
and it's. On the tour.
Yeah, when I die, right? That's for you boys to drink.
Yeah. And of course we had the Cadbury
Chocolate Factory down there in Tasmania.
There was another tour you coulddo.
I was doing a gig in, there's a Cadbury Chocolate Factory in
Ringwood, right out near Ringwood, East Melbourne.

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Yep. And I was doing a gig at the, at
the, doing a gig at a, at a, at a footy club there.
OK, there's a table of ladies and they all worked at the
Chocolate Factory together. Yep, Yep.
And I was like, oh, well, that must be cool.
What's that like? What's that like working at the
Chocolate Factory together? And they're like, it's pretty

(01:31:33):
good. You know, they're good hours and
we get as much chocolate as we can eat.
Like, are you serious? And they're like, yeah, we
fucking as much chocolate as youcan eat.
I'm like, well, obviously that'sa I guess that's a good thing
because if they let you eat all the chocolate you want,
eventually you're gonna get sickof eating chocolate and you're
gonna eat fuck all chocolate. Yeah.
And they went, yeah, that's pretty much what.
Happens. It's like going to fucking

(01:31:53):
really, Wonka. Chocolate Factory, except when
all your periods sink up. So for two days a month, they're
like, where's all the fucking chocolate?
No. And you drop that out on stage.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That came out in a.
Moment they're all pissing themselves laughing.
Someone's on the production likethe boss is up and looking at
the figures, going great, no trouble.

(01:32:16):
Oh God, it's the 28th, No wonder.
How come all the chocolate's Missy and we've had those star
for two days? What's going on?
Yeah. Don't go down on the floor.
Those bitches are angry. Man, oh, that's classy.
Wow, the old Australian brands. There you go, you heard it first

(01:32:37):
here. Classic.
Yeah. What else?
I think 4 and 20 pies went the same.
Someone probably owns anything. Didn't they end up getting sold
off I think? Would.
Have maybe, maybe not. I could be wrong, but now I had
a feeling that it was the classic Australian meat pie 4

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and 20, obviously named after a British nursery rhyme.
So we kind of did the reverse there.
We we stole the name from there from a British nursery rhyme.
What's the nursery rhyme? 4 and 20 blackbirds baked in a
pie. Oh, is that where it comes from?
Yeah. OK, Yeah, I better check that
because. Remember, you're way off base.
Well you bet. You might want to Google it.
I'm sure they used to have that in the logo.

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They had the the. Birds flying out of the.
Yeah, they had like 4. And 20.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. They had the blackbirds flying
out of the pie. I.
Mean they're all right as far aspie.
'S going yeah. That was a another classic
Australian coon's gone Coon cheese.
No more Coon cheese. No longer politically correct.

(01:33:40):
Some people are absolutely fuming about that.
Yeah, yeah. Despite being named after it, it
was the family name was Coon. Was it?
No, it wasn't the family name. Cooning is the process of a
cheese making process. Well again, you're going to have
to Google this, but I'm sure it was named after the the family

(01:34:02):
name because I believe it was his.
Either his dad or his grandfather had you Google that
shit. The.
One, when it all was came out, it was like, yeah, so it was a
process, a cheese making processpatented by Edward Kuhn in the
States. Oh, OK, right.
Yeah, why? What is it now?

(01:34:25):
Just. Get its name.
Cheer, cheer, What the fuck? I mean, why?
Wasn't it named after the great Australian cricket of Boone?
They could have just changed it to Boone.
Yeah, Yeah. How did you?
I mean Goon was already taken. There we go.
The cheese got its original namefrom American pioneering cheese
maker Edward William Coon, who patented A ripening process in

(01:34:45):
the 1920s. There you go.
There you go. Coon is also a derogatory racial
bot. It is anyway all the people who.
Well, in that case, if it wasn'tthe cub, the the like the
founder's name of that, well, fair enough, get rid of it.

(01:35:08):
Hang on, here's something from the ABC Cheese name was a racist
joke, he said. It had racist connotations but
has always been a racist joke. Owners dairy products company
Saputo confirmed the change Friday.
There we go. Anyway, I mean, there's no

(01:35:31):
effect on me or you, but that's because we've never been called
that name. Yeah.
Yeah. In an offensive.
And then you walk in and you seeit in the shop, you know?
Yeah. A little bit of empathy goes a
long way. Yeah, fair, cool.
I I always thought it was the the family name.
I thought it was the family thatI thought there was something
came out around the time that itwas the the family name and
they'd agreed to change it because they didn't sort of feel

(01:35:53):
the tide to the name or something, even though it was.
Well, this is the IT. Was probably one of those urban
myths. How many fucking urban myths are
they getting around that one person says.
Especially pre Internet. You think you're all you?
You and I are the same mate. You're a couple of years older
than me, right? So we grew up in a time when
using those slurs was just part of general society, pretty much.

(01:36:15):
As my mate Rick says, ever sincethe Internet, there's no more
wondering because you go, Oh well, we'll look it up back then
you'd go, I wonder if. Back in 1920, you know, you
can't tell me that they came up,they said, Oh no, let's just
make it after the cheese making process.
That's. Why?
Maybe, Yeah. And guess what?
You'd. You'd like to think not of.

(01:36:36):
Course it was. Yeah.
How racist? You know, how racist against
Indigenous Australians would it have been in 1920?
Yeah, there was still massacrement in the NT in 1920.
Yeah, you know, as if it wasn't deliberately.
Chosen. Yeah, You know, well, I'd like
to see the better side of human nature and go.
Hopefully it wasn't. It was if it was.

(01:36:57):
That was just a time, you people.
Just the times anyway. Anyway, I didn't know any
better. Everyone was doing it.
Yeah, I remember hearing that, the Phil Collins song in the air
at night, you know, and the old urban myth went around back in
the day that Phil Collins as a kid was being babysat, you know,

(01:37:19):
and this, this guy had watched this other kid there drowning in
a pool, you know, because that'sthe lyric in the song.
If you see, if I saw you drowning, you know, I would not
lend a hand. And this guy let him drown.
And all these years later, Phil Collins went off and wrote a
song about it. And I'm like, oh wow, you know,
that's fucking someone to tell you.
So that was it. It was urban myth.

(01:37:40):
It was true. And then I remember him being
interviewed once years later andsomeone asked him exactly that.
He's like, no, that's complete bullshit.
I'm like, what? Wow, really?
But again, you know, like pre Internet you just unless you
went to your Encyclopaedia Britannica or yeah, not that

(01:38:02):
anyone could afford that becausethey were like 12 grand or
something. So you had to check out your
funk and Wagnalls. How did you go to the?
Library. Yeah, had to.
Go to the library and look stuff.
Up and by that stage, it was themoment it passed, yeah.
Whereas now you're just like, Yep, no, fucking look it up.
No Mick, Bundaberg soft drink and Bundaberg rum are the same
fucking company. I would have been in the van

(01:38:23):
with Nikki going, that's cool babe.
We can skip drinking Bundaberg rum because it's owned by the
Bundaberg soft drink company andthey're Australian family owned.
No. And she'd be like, wow, being
English, I can tell you, no, it ain't I.
Remember when we bought Bundaberg?
Rum, we own that shit. You want a fucking slap mate?

(01:38:46):
You want to fucking go? I'll go anyway.
Tell us the story about you and Nikki.
Where'd you guys meet? We met backstage at A at a gig
at the Adelaide Fringe. Wow.
Shit, no, at the at the fat cave.
So she was in a double act called the Cagools, the Cagools,

(01:39:08):
the Cagools. OK, a silent.
Physical theatre, Wow, it's got to be a tough niche.
Silent physical theatre and veryenergetic and lots of music and.
So kind of like the Umbrellical Brothers, but they were girls.
And they were silent. What a clowning.
Silent physical theatre. Clowning, silent physical

(01:39:31):
clowning. And so I was at the Fat.
I was backstage at the Fat Cave hanging out.
Fat Cave's a legendary Adelaide Fringe late night show on the
weekends, Friday on Saturday night, it usually starts about
11:30. And it's just a kind of, you
know, when you finish whatever gigs you're doing at the
Adelaide Fringe, It's often a place that comedians will go and

(01:39:52):
hang out. And even if you're not on, even
if you're not on the show. Comedians are always on.
What are you talking about? You'll go and hang out and then
the host of the Fat Cake, MickeyD said to me, he goes, oh, this
next act, you're going to want to watch these next acts.
Great. You might.
You're going to. You want to have a look.
And so I sort of poked me head out from behind the stage,

(01:40:13):
watched probably the first 10 seconds and was like, fuck.
And then I just ran around into the audience and watched it from
the audience. And then I was booking a show in
the early show in Melbourne, which is a lineup show.
Yep. And yeah.
And I was like, wow, these guys are great.
And then talked to him after theshow.
I was like, do you do 7 minute spots?

(01:40:34):
Because I want to book you. I want to book you for my early
show and then so booked him for the early show for a.
Pretty, which was really just a pick up line, right?
No. Not I want to book you for a
gig. Not at all, no.
It's just purely professional. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Purely professional, you can seethat book, you know, using I

(01:40:55):
want to book you for a gig and then hitting onto the, you know,
the people that you're booking for your gig.
That went out about two or threeyears before that was this was
post me too right? OK, you did yourself.
So you'd already phased that outif you rap as.
Well. Long before that, I wasn't.
Me too. And chicks in 2006.
I was not even there. Don't.
Worry about that. I was not even there, man.

(01:41:18):
Yeah, that. No, that was post me too.
I don't know when was me too anyway.
And so then we just sort of hungout and then came friends from
there. Nice.
Nice. It's good.
It's good being with a. Comedian how?
How is that dynamic? It does.
I am curious how it works when there's like, you know, 2 actors

(01:41:40):
or two musicians or or two comedians in a relationship.
Ah, it's yeah, I, I, it's good, it's good.
It's good in that sense, you like be.
If you're a comedian and you're with someone who's not a
comedian, you'd spend a lot of time apart.
Because what? Because the person who's not a

(01:42:05):
comedian tends to have a regularjob.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And.
You're off doing your. At home doing their and
especially in Australia, it's hard to make a living as a
comedian and be in sleep in the same bed every night.
Yeah, that's why you have to do the Eric Banner thing and become
an actor. Yeah, well, I don't know what I

(01:42:26):
don't know Eric Banner's thing, but.
By our school mate, Remember we went to school together.
You mean Eric Banner? Yeah.
So from that sense it's good because we just, we travel
together and stuff like that, sowe don't have to spend all that
time apart. Yeah, it's good in the material
sense. Like you can have an idea for a
gig, an idea for a joke and you can share it and workshop it.

(01:42:48):
And we're both sort of, we've got different styles.
I was gonna say, and you know, like she isn't a brilliant
comedian in her own right, but your, your styles are both miles
apart. You're both very, very
different, you know, and. It's also like, different in the
sense like when you're, you know, from a lineup point of
view, you want to have diversityin your life.

(01:43:09):
You don't want it to be all dudes.
Yeah, you want it to be all. So it's good an accent, but also
it's just good to be Yeah, have that different style about
because we're often, you know, off and on together.
Yeah, well, that's right. Exactly.
I was going to say, you end up doing the same gigs.
Yeah, you know. So so in that sense, so.
It's you might be MC ING for heror she's MC ING for you and

(01:43:31):
yeah. Yeah, we can both feel any spot
in a lineup. Yeah, 100% that's.
Good. Yeah.
So I mean, and it's good for forfor promoters, I mean, you to
book a couple. Yeah, because you only need to
pay for one room. Yeah, if you're doing
accommodation for people. You.

(01:43:51):
Yeah, you can. Get them over and just that's
only going to cost me one room. These guys are a bargain.
Because you've got your $500,000Winnebago, you don't even have
to pay for airfare. It's just like, don't worry.
Fucking van life, comedians. We're fucking driving.
Drive over. Yes.
God. So that's good.
Yeah. Yeah.
Awesome. OK, cool.

(01:44:13):
How Long's Nikki been doing it? 13 years.
OK, cool. Cool.
Not quite the veteran. Very much the junior partner.
You're like the the the Johnny Cash to her to her, Carter I.

(01:44:33):
Don't know on the Johnny Cash movie wasn't he like in in the
movie he was listening to him and his brother were in bed
together and June Carter Cash was part of the Cash family or
something performing. Oh, OK.
As a as a, she was a. Child before he was gigging.
Before he was gigging. Yeah, wow.
And. He was like, I'm gonna, he said
to his brother, I'm gonna marry her.

(01:44:53):
I mean, obviously fantasised a little bit for the for the movie
or whatever. Yeah.
But yeah, I'm sure he would haveif that's, if it was in the
movie, he would have said at some point that he was listening
to June Carter Cash on the radio.
Yeah, said he wanted to marry us.
There's been some classic examples of that, though, where
somebody has seen someone on stage or in a movie, you know,

(01:45:14):
or heard them on the radio and they're like.
That's the one for me, Yeah. And then you stalk them to.
You're gonna marry that guy or girl?
Yeah. And then Nick Minute.
There's the yeah, you know, that's how people.
Then the few comedians that do it, they took that old story of
sort of generally sort of this material where they're like some

(01:45:35):
old. So how did you, you know, you
see an old couple in their 8080 odd, you know, how did you 2
meet? Well, she didn't like me much at
first, but I persisted. I just waited around her front
gate every day for 2 1/2 years until she finally agreed to
date. This was pre stalking
legislation, yeah. Pre stalking, pre me too, pre

(01:45:57):
everything. Pre Internet, pre everything,
yeah. I got together 400 sheep and
gave them to her father and she was mine.
Well, we had neighbouring farms.Our parents were pastoralists.
Yeah, that's classy. Oh, my.

(01:46:19):
How the world's changed me. The.
World's changed, not for the better.
In some ways yeah, In some ways no.
That is what it is. Yeah, is what it is.
Adapt or die, we positively embrace change.
But have we? I don't.
Know that was the sign on the wall when I started writing
radio ads at CFM on the Gold Coast, OK.

(01:46:42):
We positively embrace change, yeah.
Right. Which is a.
Back before CFM became part of. Which is which?
A management way of saying we'regonna fuck.
You and you're gonna enjoy it. And you will adapt.
Yeah, Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, or your job and your income will die.

(01:47:02):
We're. Gonna fuck you and you're gonna
smile while we do it. Smile away boys, smile away you.
You were writing for CFM for a while.
I. Wrote radio ads for a while,
yeah. Yeah, I think that was your
early days of writing, wasn't it?

(01:47:25):
So. I, yeah, I just started because
Kurt Vonnegut, my, my favourite author was a, he was a, he was a
copywriter. So that's like, you know, you
know, someone has to write this shit.
Someone writes radio ads, someone writes that those ads in

(01:47:46):
magazines, and someone writes, you know, someone.
Someone writes all the Colbert'sshit.
Most. Most people don't even know
that's a job. And I only found, I don't think
it was a job because of kept finding it.
Yeah. And then I can't even remember
how it happened, but I, I, I just got in touch.
I actually, yeah, I got, I just got in touch with the radio

(01:48:08):
station and said I just like, does do you have someone there
that writes radio ads? And they said, yeah, I just put
in touch with our creative director.
And I was like, no, I wasn't quite ready for that.
But I'll make something up on the spot.
And then, yeah, because I'd finished the drama course at
uni, so I was trying to do acting and then, you know,

(01:48:31):
acting. And no, I hadn't started a
comedy at that point. And then.
And so I was doing the acting and then.
Yeah, but they kept making me dothese work for the dole courses.
I was on the dole. And then they kept making me do
either apply for hospitality jobs or labouring jobs because

(01:48:51):
that was the experience that I had.
No, Yeah. And I'm like, I don't want to do
hospitality and I don't want to do labouring.
Yeah, I've done those jobs and Idon't want to do those jobs and.
That's where you're experiencingand they're like, son, you're
going to have to become a comedian.
And then next to me, there's this guy who's just on the phone
when mobile phones would just come out.
And this guy had one and he's like, yeah, I'm on a.
Would have been a big brick phone yeah it would have been

(01:49:11):
like 2 hands He's. Just answering it in the car and
just going yeah, I'm on a work for the Dole course, so you'll
have to meet me in the Broadwater car park at 12:00.
That's when lunch is. Phone would ring again.
He goes, yeah, I'm on a work forthe Dole course, so you have to
meet me in the Broadwater car park at 12:10.
That's when lunch is yeah, I want to work for the Dole, like
openly drug dealing while he's on this work for the.

(01:49:33):
And then because I'm, I've got work experience, so these, you
know, that work for the dole, that training thing where they
get more money if they get people, you know, So yeah, yes,
they're giving me a hard time. Well, this fuck next to me and
I'm like, no, fuck you if I haveto, if you're gonna make.
All right, fine. I'm gonna look for a job that I
want to do. Yeah.
I'm not doing hospitality. I'm not doing.
I'm not doing construction. Yeah.

(01:49:54):
And so, yeah, that's how I endedup.
So I rang the radio station. I'm like, yeah.
Did someone write your ads? How do your ads get written?
Because they and then end up speaking to Pete Maiden, who's
the creative director. And he said, he just asked me a
few questions. He's like, what it had, you
know, what are you, what are youdoing?
Can you write? Tell me a bit, You know, and
I've done that, you know, a couple of degrees.

(01:50:16):
And she's like, I don't know howto write.
Yeah, don't worry about that. And he goes, I'll come in.
We'll get you to write May. Not be to you.
I can write fucking sentences, words, whatever you like.
He just said come in and write afew ads and we'll, you know, see
if we've got see if we've got what it takes.
So I went in. I did like maybe four days.
So they were like, sell me this pen, I think the first.

(01:50:38):
Ad that I wrote was an ad for sovereign pools.
OK. And then so he just gave me the,
the brief, the creative brief. And then he goes, oh, and you
get on, you know, you look up, you can look up what their past
ads were. And it was sovereign pools.
So they had like a a king, but Ienjoy my summer holidays.
I like to swim in a sovereign pool, you know, and he goes.

(01:51:00):
So that's and then as and there was a queen going, my husband
and I, you know, that wow, that was the rads and he goes.
So obviously they've got a bit of a theme there.
So, you know, just write me 30 seconds, you know, and here's a
stopwatch. Just time it to make sure it
fits to 30 seconds. And Yep, you know, just give me,
give me a yell when? You are they still around
sovereign pools? There's a Townsville based

(01:51:21):
business because it's a radio network so ad for a Townsville.
Anyway we could Google it so I. Wrote it sounds like sovereign
pools if you're still around, Nick never is available so.
I wrote it as no, before I, before I, you know, and before I
cannonball into the water, I just want to make it clear that

(01:51:41):
I never had any kind of relations with that woman.
I'm in a splash and it's like it's sovereign pool.
So it's obviously the Bill Clinton thing.
Wow. And that made it to air man.
Like that's the first out I everwrote.
And then, you know, just gave it.
And then after I think like 4 days, he hit the creative
director said, oh, no point coming in anymore.

(01:52:03):
We know you've got what it takeswhen one of these blokes has a
holiday. I'll get you to come in and fill
in. You've hit the ground running.
You've sat on Bill Clinton. You're fucking hired.
I did not. Have sexual.
Relations. With that woman.
Turns out he actually did. Turns out he had a fuck load of
sexual relations with that womanand A and a few on Epstein's

(01:52:24):
plane. I saw a picture the other day on
Facebook or Instagram and it's apicture of Bill Clinton sitting
at his desk and it says some people are old enough to realise
there's two people in this picture.

(01:52:45):
Classy. Classic.
Anyway, so then that just turnedinto a job writing radio ads.
And then that turned into a job doing breakfast radio.
And then when I got made redundant from being on air, I
went back to writing radio. That's why I was doing comedy.
And then you're a writing material for breakfast radio

(01:53:07):
guys, I. Was writing, yeah, I was writing
jokes for the For the Moon Man show, Triple M Sydney.
Yeah, yeah. Very cool.
That was cool. Yeah.
It was good, good writing discipline, you know, sitting,
having to write, sit down and write a couple of pages of
jokes. Yeah.
Five days a week. Yeah.
Based on. So anyone that thinks the moon
man was funny, you're the reasonwhy.

(01:53:29):
Come on now. Mick Mick was doing the job of
100 Colbert riders. 100 Colbert.Riders that's right for.
A fucking fraction of the price.That's like the the, the
Australian American currency conversion rate.
It's like there's one Mick Nevinfor every 100 Colbert writers.
Yeah, yes, only, only the bonus is at the end of the day, you

(01:53:54):
won't be losing $40 million every fucking year when Mick
writes for you. Hard to believe.
Hard to believe that a show can lose that sort of money and just
still keep going. Did they not have advertisers?
People not fuck you. And mate, it's network radio.
No one's advertised on network. Sorry, Network television.
No one's advertised on network television.
Yeah. No, that was good and it was

(01:54:16):
good. It was like, do you know, you
just do it from anywhere? Where is it?
I was at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival getting home at 3:00 in
the morning. Half pissed right now and a
couple of pages of notes. Just win all your best material
game. I'll be having a pine at a pub
and be like, oh fuck, I've got to get home and write jokes for
the Moon Man show, you know? Yeah, yeah, like, but thanks for

(01:54:38):
spending the last three hours onthe piss with me, because now
I've got some awesome material, yeah.
I've got to write a joke about this.
Anyone got any ideas? No, that was good.
That was good fun. I remember you.
You panned out that movie scriptat one stage too.
Yeah, that was awesome script. I've still got a copy of it
somewhere kicking around. Yeah, 1312 weeks in witchy

(01:55:01):
proof. Yeah, it's the hardest things.
Fuck it. Easy enough to write a movie
script. The hardest thing is getting
someone to read it. Yeah, who's anywhere within
fucking shouting distance of a movie camera?
Yeah, 100%. It's a fucking nightmare.
Yeah, yeah. It's like, again, gatekeepers
end up going through literary agents and.
Yeah, literary. And it's like you can't, you

(01:55:24):
know, just so many. You can't get a.
You can't. No one's going to read your
script unless you've had a script.
Produced. Yes.
Yeah. And you can't.
Can't get experience without a job, and you can't get a job
without experience. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's just a just a whole lot. And you could knock on 1000
doors and you just get that 1000times back mate, because

(01:55:47):
obviously people, and I'm not saying my script's brilliant or
anything like that, but better than some of the fucking shit
I've done. 100%, like 100%, you know, because again, all they
want to do is pump out the safe bet.
Yeah, I don't know what it is, you know.

(01:56:07):
You know they want to make trendyou.
Can just make it yourself, but it's kind of a in that if I was
gonna then do that, then if you want to make a movie, I wouldn't
have written that script if it was a movie I just want to make
myself because it's obviously the scope's a little bit too
big. It needs it needs a whole town
to get a facelift and be repainted and reinvigorate, you

(01:56:28):
know? Yeah.
So if I was gonna, that's what like what they did with the
castle, you know, because they wrote, Working Dog wrote.
The dish 1st 100% yeah. And then they're like, we we
can't give you the money that you're asking for to make the
dish when you've never fucking made a movie before.
Yeah. And like.
We did you. We did The Late Show.
We're the fucking. Degeneration.

(01:56:49):
We can't make a fucking movie. Just give us some money.
And then they're like, no, no. And then they wrote The Castle,
which was a fucking so much moresuccessful.
Like The Dish was a great film. Yeah, yeah, it's no Castle.
No, no. Even though it was about the
moon landing and Australia's vital role in it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, yeah, there's only one
castle. A little untold story.

(01:57:11):
But also, the secret to their success was the fact that they
were writing their own shit. Producing their own shit.
Yeah, you know, write. The theme tune Play the theme
tune singly Part Yeah. 100%, yeah.
You know, you'd have Santo Chilaro on the camera.
You know, Tom Gleisner was normally the the director and,

(01:57:34):
you know, they were doing it allthemselves.
I've, I've spoken about them before, you know, like I was
always a massive fan of Mick Malloy, like of all the
degeneration. But Mick Malloy growing up and
then seeing them successfully jump from one thing into the
next into the next, you know, they, they jumped out of that.
And then like the Late Show in the 90s, that was absolutely

(01:57:58):
brilliant. Like there was nothing else like
it, you know, and. That was a different time as
well, like because P you know, we back then, we lived our lives
around TV shows to a certain like if there's a good TV show
on, you just stayed home and watched.
It yeah, yeah, you. Couldn't.
Well, there was and there was only three other channels to

(01:58:19):
choose from, so so you could. And it was.
There was a like there was a real cultural thing around when
a good team, you know, even hey,hey, it's Saturday in its peak.
Oh, yeah. Like whole families used to be
just be handsome and you'd be like, it's oh, did you see red
faces? Oh, man, it was so fucking, you

(01:58:41):
know, seen it. I was on it.
Yeah, yeah. That guy, man, he was so funny
because everyone, I watched it and it became a cultural, A
cultural touch point. Now.
The show's going to be so fucking good now, yes?
To. Achieve that kind of and you
know, hardly, hardly anything's done it since Breaking Bad,
really. Like no, no.

(01:59:02):
Like, it's got to be. It's got to be so good.
Yeah. And so I don't know what the
word is, but broad and. But even then, like TV is what
movies used to be, like television's now where all the
fucking money is, yeah, that's where all the best writers are.
That's where all the money is. That's where the most of the the
best productions are are coming out from.

(01:59:23):
Yeah, the movie. I mean, how much longer have
movie cinemas got? Yeah, yeah.
I'm to be honest, I'm amazed that they've lasted this long.
Yeah. You know, I thought they would
have gone the way of the drive in a long time ago.
Like look at the site how big isyour TV?
Fucking 180 centimetres is. It.
Yeah, something like that. Yeah, you spend a lot of time in
front of it. You could have 1/2 decent telly.

(01:59:47):
Shout out to the good folks at Sony with their Bravias if
they're looking to send one someone's way.
Sony Bravia, my choice for television.
We wouldn't watch anything else.Sony Bravia because I had the
vision. I swear I never had relations
with that Sony Bravia. Now watch.
This bomb guy. Well, they've done better than

(02:00:10):
the Sovereign Television Company.
That's for the Sovereign Televisions.
Yes. When did Anchorman come out?
Early 2000s. Maybe probably about when you
were starting comedy, actually. Something like that.
Google that shit. Yeah, I watched it with my my

(02:00:31):
daughter the other night. She hadn't watched it. 17 and
she's watching. This is the dumbest shit.
You're like, now when I was a boy, that was funny.
That's. Right mate, this is exactly this
is not supposed to be challenging your intellect in
any way. It's just dumb shit, which is
why it's great. Did you give her your speech
about times were different, but laughing hadn't been invented?

(02:00:56):
Yet no, she, she, she had a goodlaugh at it because she once she
realised, oh, it's just dumb shit, I get it.
Yeah, lighten up you fucking idiot.
But, I mean, you know, you stillgot to have.
Yeah, yeah, right, your lowbrow,yeah.
Comedy films, yeah. There's no no getting around.

(02:01:17):
It and that's pretty much his. Fucking I'm out of, you know,
I'm out of the loop. Fucking What's the movie with
Adam Sandler? The G1.
Oh yeah, yeah, Yep. Happy Gilmore.
Happy. Gilmore Yeah, yeah, just come
out. Yeah, yeah.
I had no idea. There's been a bit of a
resurgence, actually, of all of those films that, you know,

(02:01:40):
yeah, came out in the 80s where they're like, hey, do you want
to make a fucking, You know, we just have Beverly Hills Cop.
Here's a cash grab for you. How about one for the road?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Eddie Murphy must be 80 by now.
Is. He he'd be up there.
I think we looked it up. I think he's in, he's, I think
he's like 69. All right, 71 or he's up there.

(02:02:03):
Beverly Hills Cop. One of the funniest men who've.
Ever walked the plane? Like to your point flicked on
the telly only about 3 weeks ago, Beverly Hills Cop was it
had just started, you know, and I'm like, oh, I love the opening
scene. You know, he's standing in the
back of the Speaking of Lucky Strike, you know, jumping back

(02:02:25):
to what we said earlier, he's inthe back of the cigarette truck
and I'm like, I've just got to watch the opening scene, you
know, and I'm like, that's it. It had me in sat down and
watched the whole thing all the way through.
It's just, and even till today, if you can watch a film 30 or 40
years later and it's still good,it's still, you know, stands up
to the the test of time. Like, you know, that's that's a

(02:02:49):
fucking film. Yeah.
He's like, yo, man, check it out.
The shit just stop. Fucking cigarettes.
Next thing they look at the others like let's get the fuck
out of here. But like it, at least in

(02:03:10):
Australia, might have been, might have been different in
America because they had like Saturday Night Live.
And I think a lot of people had grown up, you know, with Eddie
Murphy's stuff. But like, Beverly Hills Cop was
the first time we'd really heardit in mind here.
And so Beverly Hills Cop became famous and then people went back
and watched Eddie Murphy delirious.
Well, you didn't even watch it. You could hire the VHS, but

(02:03:33):
before that, you listen to the fucking cassette tape.
Yeah. Yeah.
And you're like, yeah, so much, yeah.
Go down, hire the VHS. And then someone to tell you,
you know, it's AV, it's available on VHS, and you're
like, what? The fucking cassette tape?
Yeah, you can actually get the whole fucking stand up routine
on VHS. Yeah.
Which for the younger members playing along at home, VHS was

(02:03:53):
like the early equivalent of, like, streaming it.
It was like an early DVD. Yeah, wild times.
We had this plastic cassette tape called a VHS Wild.
Times. Yeah, but jeez, I remember
watching Delirious for the firsttime, and that was just.
Yeah. Like wow, you're like, who is

(02:04:14):
this guy? This shit is amazing, like funny
from start to finish, you know, and to be able to just to get up
on you'd know yourself, like to be able to get up on stage and
make people laugh like that. Like fucking what?
A gift. Yes, he's pretty.
Funny. Do you ever find yourself on

(02:04:35):
stage having that bit of a, an outer body, like looking down on
yourself moment where you like? I suppose you're that much in
the moment. Some gigs a bit, yeah.
It just depends. Sometimes it goes when it's
going really well, you can sort of you get a sort of a split,
you know, there's you're doing the gig, but then there's a bit

(02:04:55):
back, you know, sort of externalconsciousness watching you.
OK, darn. Fucking this is great.
Yeah. Yeah, that's awesome.
Yeah. Are you like?
Conversely, you get that same external consciousness going
fucking hell this is you are. You are eating shit right now my
man. Which you'd have to drown that
voice out, wouldn't you? You know, you've got like the

(02:05:19):
the Angel and the devil on your shoulder and they're going this
fucking crickets. Mick, what was that bullshit I
fucking told you last time and that fucking bit didn't work.
Don't do that again. You got crickets last time and
now you're doing it. Again, blame the odd.
You guys are shit. You guys wouldn't know fucking
good comedy. I'm talking to you, direct you,

(02:05:40):
you fucking. Don't make me gold Creamer on
you. Yes, it's.
A yeah. I don't know.
It's, it's pretty good. It's good to be able to just, I
mean, it's indoor work with no heavy lifting, you know?
Yeah. But you've got to be good.
Yeah, you've got to work hard. Yeah, yeah, you can do the work.

(02:06:03):
No shortcuts. Well, you know, that was exactly
what we're saying in the in the very last podcast with John
Kreisfeld. He was, you know, we're talking
about Seinfeld's gig where he booked out Madison Square Garden
said I'll give you the secret tosuccess.
And it was just do the work. Yeah.
You know, And that's, that's what it's a what do they say

(02:06:23):
about, you know, hard work will take you where talent never
will. Yeah, do the work.
Yeah, mind you, if you can have a bit of talent and do the
fucking work, that that helps too.
This. Is the talent, is a it's just
some. Sometimes it's just genetics.

(02:06:45):
I don't know. I mean, I'm watching one thing
about a guy talking about filming with Brad Pitt and he's
like, I just, you know, I was like, Oh yeah, Brad Pitt's
great. You see him in all these movies
and you think he's fucking great.
And then he I'd never worked with the guy before, but it
wasn't, you know, until that first day.
And then you realise. So he's like, oh, I'm watching

(02:07:06):
him through the camera and just thinking, fuck, he looks good,
you know? And then you look back at the
the replay, which is a bigger, slightly bigger screen, and he's
like, hey, wow, that scene looksgreat.
Jeezy looks good. And then you go back that night
to watch through the rushes and you're watching it on a bigger
screen again. It's like, wow, he looks
amazing. And then you go and then you're

(02:07:26):
watching the first edit on the big screen in a cinema.
He's like, wow. And he's like, you can't fuck
him up, you know, like he's got that, yeah, that presence or
whatever it is. 100% and I thinkthat's half of The thing is that
if you are at that level of anything, not just as an actor
at anything, you do have that ability to make it look easy and

(02:07:48):
to make it look effortless. Yeah, you know, and and you
walks me. Oh fucking anyone could do.
That. Yeah, yeah.
That's, that's, yeah. I've heard Tom Cruise.
I was only I only saw a clip recently someone was
interviewing. I think it was an older clip.
I don't think it was him talkingrecently, but they were saying,
you know, talking about his process and he was saying, you

(02:08:08):
know, like when you first start out, you just, you know, you
just want to remember the lines and don't look at the camera
sort of thing. But he said it's once you start
to build the layers on top of that, and you're starting to
take into account how you're interacting with your distance
from the lens, the direction, not just where your eyes are

(02:08:29):
that you're not looking at the camera, but where your eyes are
in relation to the camera and what effect each little thing
can have. And just the the, the nuances
and the layers that that go intothat performance.
And you're like, yeah, well, like there's a reason that
you're as successful as you are,you know?
And he's a classic for hard work.

(02:08:49):
He's he's the hard work and the talent.
You also get to build that knowledge by doing it over and
over and over and over. Oh, for sure, you.
Don't get that opportunity unless you've got what they're
looking for 100%. Yeah, yeah, have.
You ever watched the we watched the Extras?
Ricky Gervais. I have.

(02:09:09):
Yes, when he's when he's, he's saying this serene McKellen and
he's like, do you have any advice for me about acting?
Because, well, my boy, the secret to acting is you have to
pretend to be someone else. See, I'm talking to you right
now and I'm just me, but ready Watch this Thou shalt not pass.

(02:09:32):
Did you see that I was pretending to be someone else
and that my boy is the. That cracks me up every time I
think. I first started watching that
show when I was acting and you just like, I think I've learned
more about acting from this showthan I have from any acting

(02:09:52):
course, you know? So good.
I'm watching. Oh, yeah, because he'd written
his script, I only started watching again the other.
I think I watched the first episode, but like, and then he
goes like, he writes his script and he tries and they're like,
no, you've got to have the sillycat.
I don't want the silly catch phrase.
No, you've got to have the sillycat.
And then have you seen his his bit where he's taking the piss

(02:10:14):
out of the American office? Ricky Gervais.
Was it like an Oscar's speech or?
Anything. I think it was yeah, yeah, yeah.
And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.So so they gave you a fucking
Oscar or whatever it was. Yeah, yeah.
They gave you a. Yeah, an Emmy was it.
And he's like, and I wrote the fucking shit.

(02:10:40):
And they're like, yeah, well, we're, we're going to make an
American version of it. Oh, yeah, no, look, I'm
available. Well, we don't want you to play
it. But.
But I fucking wrote it and I created it and I'm the role and
I start in it. So wouldn't it make sense to
have me in it? No, we don't want you.
We don't want the chubby little pale Englishman to pay.
Play that role, you know, classic.

(02:11:01):
And then they'd made an Australian version too.
They did make an Australian version, yeah.
I haven't seen it. I watched it, OK, I watched it.
I know several of the people in it.
Right, and any names you want todrop.
No, not really. I'll just say like it.
Just fucking you. You know, one of the things that

(02:11:22):
my drama lecturer used to say was before you get.
You know why? This is the question, what's
your why? Yeah, why?
Why are you doing this? Why are you?
And then I watched. I like, why are they?
There's already great. I mean, there's already great
English offers and there's already Great American office.
And it was. You're never going to make
anything like if you'd made the Australian office before the

(02:11:45):
American office, OK, It would crack.
Yeah. Like, there's no point now.
No. It's like why?
It's it's, it's never going to. It's never going to be.
Because next thing you like CSI Sydney and.
Yeah, hey, it's just, it's like,so it was.

(02:12:06):
Everyone did the best they couldwith what they had, but it's
like you just, you never. They're performing under the
weight of this giant fucking thing.
And it's never gonna. You know, and particularly for a
strut, like they could make a fucking, they could make a
Tibetan, they could make a Mongolian office.
Yeah, because they're not swamped with UK and American

(02:12:27):
culture and shows and they can have it on, you know, probably
they can make a Chinese office. Yeah, but they could like making
an Australian one when we were have an English one and an
American one and just like. What would it?
What would a Chinese office looklike it?
Would probably just look like a fucking idiot boss with a bunch
of fucking employees that don't give a fuck about their job.

(02:12:50):
Oh, so just the just the same. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, but it wouldn't have that cultural fucking weight on top
of it of the fucking of the 1st 2, which were awesome.
Yeah. So there's no need for this one.
Yeah. Not in Australia anyway.
That was my thoughts, yeah. It just felt silly.
Yeah. But I mean horses for courses,
different markets they work, butfor different reasons you.

(02:13:12):
Know yeah, that's that I just sort of felt silly.
Yeah, he's a funny bastard. Ricky Device, Yeah.
Yeah, very. He's good.
Yeah, he's good. He's the right, You know, he
obviously there are other writers working on his shows and
stuff like that, but they're really well written.
Afterlife is great. Yeah, yeah.

(02:13:35):
And a well populated community, you know, the characters in it
and stuff like that. Yeah.
That's the that's one of the keys, you know, even just to the
fucking the mailman and. Yeah, yeah.
And you know, I've said it before, there's a few shows
like, you know, before you mentioned Game of Thrones, like
Yellowstone was the same. If you can tick all of those

(02:13:57):
boxes, like it all starts with great writing.
That's that's that's the starting point.
You know, anything basically Taylor Sheridan put his hand to
was just, you know, he had the mind as touch.
You know, he still does. He could just whatever he writes
as gold, but then they back it up with really good fucking
actors, really good production, really good directing.

(02:14:19):
And if you can tick all of thoseboxes like, you know, you,
you're just going to make one ofthose absolutely iconic shows,
that's just. Yeah, yeah, it's, that's the
thing. It's about the it's like you got
to create a community. They're right.
They've got to look like they belong to, you know, who are

(02:14:39):
these people? And they got to look.
Like, yeah, yeah, you know, and then there's extra things that
happen. You get, you know, the
individual performance and the individual actors, you get the
synergy that they create becausethey have a an on screen, they
have that chemistry, you know, and you just it, it takes on a

(02:15:00):
life of its own, you know? And I've spoken previously about
where, you know, I think it was with Reacher, where, you know,
the writer has a particular thing in mind.
But then the actors given at another level, another dimension
that even they hadn't written in, that they hadn't seemed
kind. And they're like taking.
A life of their own. I didn't think it could even go
to another level, but it it clearly has, you know, well,

(02:15:23):
it's. In the sense that, like, Kurt
Vonnegut talks about that when he's like, in his process of
writing or whatever, where he's like the he he created the
characters. And then they just went on to do
whatever it was they had to do. Yeah.
And by the end of the book, he was as excited to find out what
it was they did as anyone. Yeah.
You know, And then that's part of that, that TV, that movie,

(02:15:47):
that creation process in that you build.
The character collaborative. You know, yeah, there's some
reading about script writing where it's screen writing where
it's a screen writing is not art.
It's an invitation to make art. With other people, I like that.
So like you're, you can write, you know, you write 1000 fucking
screenplays. Yeah, but they're only going to

(02:16:08):
get turned into a movie if someone says, oh, you know, and
then someone else has to go, oh,I'll direct that.
And then someone else says, oh, I'll act in that, you know,
Yeah. And then they.
I heard Joaquin Phoenix on Theo Von's podcast the other day and
they were talking, you know, about the the process and
Joaquin was saying how sometimesyou you do a take and you're

(02:16:32):
like, you know, he said, I don'tsay this to myself a lot.
He said, but occasionally you'llbe like, fuck, yeah, that's the
one. Like that's the shit.
And he's like, the film comes out.
It didn't even make it out of the entity room, right.
You know, they've cut that out to all together.
But then they've chosen another version where he hadn't done

(02:16:55):
that particular thing that when it was added with this other
ingredient, this other part and this other part.
And when they go together, you're like, oh, oh, fuck yeah.
You know, he'd be like, you know, you try not to have
preconceived ideas. You're trying to listen to what
the other actors saying. And, you know, you're trying to
work with that. And it's, you know, it takes on

(02:17:16):
a more of a, an authentic, you know, response.
But he says some occasionally. You have a look, in this scene,
I'm going to do this. And in that scene, I'm going to
do that, you know? And he's like, yeah, fucking
that's the shit. That's that's the one.
Yeah, because you can only do that if you're acting in a scene
by yourself. Yeah, yeah, that's right, You

(02:17:36):
know, Whereas if you're, you canwalk into any, if you, as soon
as you have to act with someone else and you think I'm going to
play it like this. Yeah.
And then they take something from you and fucking twist it.
It's like, oh, now I'm doing it like this.
And Oh yeah, feels different over here, you know?
Which is what good actors shoulddo.
They should take, you know, it'snot like they.

(02:17:57):
Say boy, good acting is. Reacting.
I was just about to say it's notacting, it's reacting.
I was not even there. I was not even there, man.
Oh God. Well, anything else before?
We wrap it up. How are you?
I'm great. I'm doing what I want to do,

(02:18:20):
what I should have done a long time ago.
Podcasting, you know it, I thinkI spoke about it in in the pilot
episode with Michelle. You know it, it kind of just
made sense, like it was something that I'd I'd wanted to
do. And it goes back again talking
about the degeneration and Mick Malloy.

(02:18:40):
I remember watching those guys early on and just go, fuck, I'd
love to do that. And like even out of the
degeneration and then the Late Show, Mick Malloy was always my
favourite. You know, I think you sort of
gravitate towards a certain person.
And then later on, Mick Malloy with Tony Martin end up doing
the, you know, the their radio show they're doing, you know,

(02:19:03):
which became the poop Shoot and you know, the Martin Malloy show
and they they released the poop shoot albums.
I can remember early 90s just going that's what I want to
fucking do, like listening to toTony Martin and Malik and Mick
Malloy talk on the fucking radioin that, you know, drivetime,

(02:19:23):
afternoon drivetime sort of timeslot.
Man, that was just the funniest shit you've ever heard.
Like to the point where they released it and they released it
as a as a CD, like the proof shoot it became you could you
they released it. It was like its own stand up
thing, you know, and, and just remember thinking I'd always
loved it. And then he did the same, you

(02:19:44):
know, when they did the the Kennedy Malloy show, exactly the
same thing. Like she was there from day one.
She was there from Jane Kennedy back in The Degeneration and The
Late Show and The Castle and, you know, did you?
Did I send you that? Did I send you a picture of the
time I did a gig with Guido Hatzis?
No, I did a gig. With.

(02:20:07):
I I still this still to this very day, will say to Michelle,
my, my, my, my mate, do not talkover me, my friend, I'll.
Fly and kick you to the. Head, I will fly and kick you to
the head. That was some funny shit.
Yeah, that was some seriously funny shit.

(02:20:29):
Again, you probably couldn't getaway with half of that today.
Look you can. Get away with fucking a bunch of
other shit though. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Adam, good talking to you, Craigboy.
You too. Thanks for having me in your
universe. Mate, it's been a pleasure.
You've always been in here. Like I say, you were there since
The Big Bang. You were there since the since
the beginning. You're part of the origin story.

(02:20:49):
Yeah. We'll come back.
We'll do it again sometime. Let's do that.
Look forward to it. Well, thank you very much, Sir.
My pleasure. You'll be good.
Who ends? Who talks last?
Whoever likes just depends on depends on where the editors cut
it I guess. So we just keep talking and
it'll just disappear. Headphones.
Are. Off and we're out Thanks Mickey

(02:21:11):
Nev appreciate it my. Heart is so.

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