Hottest Happy Hour Episode 2: Music, Missteps, And Second Chances

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SPEAKER_07 (00:31):
Welcome to In Your City Show.
It's our second day right herein the new studios here at uh
the new K L I S 590 a.m.
And of course, on demand, theLou Information Station live at
LouInfo.com.
That's all you have to do is goto luinfo.com.
You can watch the show, listento the show.

(00:52):
And of course, being thatstreaming 24-7, you can keep
going back and forth.
You can watch yesterday's show,our first show.

SPEAKER_03 (00:58):
Like we said yesterday, binge watch.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:00):
Yeah.
We're the new binge watch,though, right?
Everybody's gonna be on pens andneedles waiting for the next
episode of us.
You go to Apple, Spotify,everywhere that you stream,
you're able to get the inform,what the little info, but get us
the in your city show.
So welcome.
We're a little late gettingstarted, of course.
Hope you can bear with us.

(01:21):
It is only the second day.
So there's a lot going on.
You know, we're sitting heretalking, trying to remember what
to say and what we're gonna talkabout, but there's so much
behind the scenes that goes onbetween lights, camera, and of
course, we're always dependentupon technology.

SPEAKER_03 (01:36):
The gremlins are at full force right now, working on
all the equipment and everythingis kind of like you know, if you
like to what was it?
The um the one with the bigears, what were they called?
The uh or gremlins, but I mean,yeah, the gremlins, but what was
it?

SPEAKER_07 (01:50):
Midnight when yeah, what was his name?

SPEAKER_03 (01:51):
Gizmo.

SPEAKER_07 (01:52):
Gizmo, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:52):
We got gizmo in there showing on cables and
doing all kinds of things.

SPEAKER_07 (01:56):
So things do happen.
So, and even when we are smoothand running and everything's
great, there'll still beglitches sometimes.

SPEAKER_03 (02:02):
That's the way it goes, you know, especially when
you're live, yeah, yeah, doinglive stuff.

SPEAKER_07 (02:06):
But we're having a good time.
I'm Kelly Lamb, and I'm GordonMontgomery.
And we have we've been doingthis a long time.
It's just that this show youmight not be able to tell new at
this location.
We were here quite some time agowith uh another show that she
said he said, but in your city'sbeen a while.
We've got three beautifulpublications.
Um, I heard Dave talking aboutthem earlier, and it was really

(02:29):
nice.
Yeah, so every month we have anew theme.
Uh, June, right now, is themen's issue.
So if you do get the magazine,you'll see the gorgeous covers
with the coach uh Beck with theBattlehawks.
Um, I kept calling theBlackhawks.
Yeah, that's hockey.
Yeah, that's a hockey.
Back with sports for Kelly.
Yeah, the Battlehawks, and thenof course, Dave Lover.

(02:50):
If you know him, he's an awesomeindividual, been in radio for 20
years now.
And then also Chef um uh Kaluchiover at Gianni over at the
Members Club on our covers, andthen our women's covers, if uh
which I don't think you can see,we'll have to hold them up
because you're not able to seeour cool table down here very

(03:11):
much.

SPEAKER_03 (03:11):
Actually, I want to invite you to go to
citylifestyle.com.
Go to citylifestyle.com.
All you got to do is put in yourzip code, and it'll all you can
pick Clayton, Chesterfield, St.
Charles, or even Renee'smagazine, Kirkwood, and you can
see all of the City Lifestylemagazines that are right here in
our city.
You can thumb through themagazines, and if you would
like, you can also subscribe tothe magazine right there at
CityLifestyle.com.

SPEAKER_07 (03:31):
Yeah, you can get that to your own.
So we, I mean, gosh, we havelots of like 45,000 homes.

SPEAKER_03 (03:35):
45,000, the largest distribution of any magazine in
St.
Louis.

SPEAKER_07 (03:40):
So it will tell you a little bit.
We've got some great guests on.
We've got um, we do have aquestion to ask here.
Um, maybe your parents, agrandparent, uh, an aunt, and
you know, you've got a littleone at home, and and they want
to draw you a picture.
And they're proud of it.
Oh, they're so proud of it.
And you know, they always wantyou to hang out on the
refrigerator.
And sometimes they actually takethat drawing and they take it to

(04:04):
school to share with theteachers about show and tell.
Show and tell.

SPEAKER_03 (04:09):
Once they show it, there's a lot to tell.

SPEAKER_07 (04:11):
There's a lot to tell from it.
You kind of can, you know, maybepick your own meaning from it.
But you know, while we get thoseready for you to be able to see
some of that that we thoughtwe'd share with you that are,
you know, really collectibleitems, and every parent would
want their kid to take that homefrom school, right?

SPEAKER_03 (04:29):
Right.
Right, right.

SPEAKER_07 (04:32):
So, you know, if you had something, you know, great
that has been awesome with yourchild, we'd love for you to
share it.
We got the comment section here.
So if you're on lootinfo.com,you can comment to us, but uh
let um go my mom likes drinkingdrinking wine.
There we go.
Yeah, every mom wants that tohappen.

(04:53):
They they get better.
So let what else do we have?

SPEAKER_03 (04:56):
Yeah, so if you're on air, make sure you go to
YouTube so you can see all yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (04:59):
If you're watching on radio, unfortunately, you
couldn't see the mom sittingthere with her glass of wine.

SPEAKER_03 (05:04):
Dear firefighter, thank you for saving me from
danger.
You were so brave, God blessyou, with your fire hose.

SPEAKER_07 (05:12):
So if you're looking at you can see the uh the fire
hose, and I I guess that workedwell to put out the fire.
What do you think?

SPEAKER_03 (05:20):
Oh my gosh.
I yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (05:22):
What else do we have?

SPEAKER_03 (05:23):
I'm sure the fireman's wife is happy.
Yeah, this one.
Okay, can you read it?
This one, well, yeah.
So this is actually, I went to ameeting with uh uh an
advertiser, and and she actuallyshowed me this that her niece,
her niece, she's an aunt, andher niece did this this photo.

(05:43):
This photo is actually a uh afarmer and his horse.

SPEAKER_07 (05:48):
And his horse.
Oh, that's a horse.
That's a horse.
Okay, so he's getting ready toride his horse.

SPEAKER_03 (05:52):
Okay, we'll see if it's sure your imagination is
taking you a lot of other placeswith this photo.
So, yeah, that's a farmer withhis horse right there.

SPEAKER_07 (06:01):
Do we have another beautiful one to share?
No, that's it.
Oh, yeah, here we go.
We're still so as you can see,it looks like all of the family
was hung on their vacation anduh and murdered, but they were
actually circular.
Oh, yeah.
This one, best friends, yeah,the best friends.
Best friends um at school andwanted to share Bobby's best

(06:24):
friend.
So we never, you never know.
So I remember, you know, um uh Iguess you uh know the story of
my daughter uh coming out to thecar.
So we were at a wedding shower,one of these funny wedding
showers, and we got as a gift afriendly little women's device.

(06:47):
Oh you can probably imagine whatthat is in your head.
So we all got one.
Mine was purple.
Lightsaber.
Teresa got it one of lightsaber.

SPEAKER_03 (06:54):
I heard one of the earlier shows today, Grant's
show.
I thought they were talkingabout Star Wars, so we'll go
with lightsaber.

SPEAKER_07 (06:59):
We'll go with lightsaber.
And so, of course, it was in abox, and we were getting ready
to leave for the lake.
And and my uh daughter, I kepttelling her, gosh, my head
hurts, my neck is killing me.
So she came out with um mypurple lightsaber, lightsaber to
rescue me from my headache.
So you really never know whatkids will do.

(07:20):
They they do the funniest thingswith without even thinking about
it.

SPEAKER_03 (07:23):
Wasn't there a show called Kids Do the Darndest
Things or Say the DarndestThings, maybe write and draw the
darndest things as well.

SPEAKER_07 (07:29):
Oh yeah.
So on our show, we're excited.
Um, so Gordon has a greatsegment that he does actually
outside of your school calledSoul Strings.
And if you go toinyourcityshow.com, um, you can
or actually you can go to ourYouTube for In Your City Show,
you'll see a few of his SoulStrings episodes.
Gordon is a musician, he is asinger, he's uh been on stage

(07:50):
since he was 17 years old,incredible voice, incredible
musician, even though you won'trealize it.
When you can sit down on a pianoor a guitar and listen to a song
within seconds, start playingit.
That's a pretty, pretty amazingtalent.
So um I love when he does it,but it's soul string, so it's
kind of really, you know, soulof music.
It it he may talk uh a littlebit.
Tugs at the strings of yourheart and the strings of your

(08:12):
heart.
So our first Soul Strings guest,which will be actually um each
Tuesday of the week, will be ashorter version.
Pat Liston uh is a greatinterview that you go and watch
on NYRCitieshow.com.
Uh, that Gordon met with andwow, what a great he read his
book.
We have a book here, actually,right there.
Right.
You don't realize you start inyour 17.

(08:32):
What is that?
Mama's pride?
Is that Mama's Pride?
Mama's Pride, the band.
You don't realize who you meet,especially at our age, who
you've met along the way, or sitnext to on an airplane like
Michael Jackson, like Pat did.
Yeah.
And just the great stories thathe talks about.

SPEAKER_03 (08:47):
We'll actually play a segment of that.
We'll have to play one oneTuesday segment of Pat's
interview.

SPEAKER_07 (08:51):
Yeah, like you actually hear him playing.
He was live at Carbon playingthere in the cigar room, which
was pretty cool.
But um, how do you say his name?
Is it Marcy?

SPEAKER_03 (09:00):
I hope I get this right.
Moisey Marchini, I think that'show you pronounce it.

SPEAKER_07 (09:04):
So he's gonna be here shortly, and we're gonna
bring him in and uh uh Brazilianbackground born musician,
composer, and cultural educator.
Yeah, very cool.
And then we're gonna take it awhole different spend.
We do got a great destinationfor you to go to.
Kat Muse, who's gonna bebringing a lot of uh bands and
lively things that are going onthe weekend.
She is not able to be with ushere today, which she was going

(09:26):
to kind of talk about, whatshe's bringing to the show.
So she had something come up,which definitely happens, and we
just, you know, makeshift andturn things around.
But she's gonna be bringing ussomething on Fridays.
We're gonna meet uh LoganJanice, who's actually our
incredible producer, but all heis from um mostly superheroes.
And I hope they said that rightbecause I'm not looking at it.

(09:46):
He's gonna be with us tomorrow.
He's gonna be doing a greatsegment on Friday on the show,
bringing you movies and TVs andlots of fun things also to look
forward to.
But we're gonna take it to awhole different notch today when
we talk to Judy Henderson.
Judy Henderson is a woman whospent 36 years in prison for
murder.

(10:07):
Um, and she didn't do it.
I mean, can you imagine?
So we're gonna hear her story,we're gonna talk about that, and
then we got a poll question forthe day.
We want to know because of theplace and destination that we
have for you, we want to know ifyou believe in ghosts, or maybe
you have a ghost story,something happened to you.
You know, they say that um uh46% of people, is it for that

(10:30):
40%, I think, believe in ghosts,and 20% of people, this is
whatever they take.
What's the percentage?
I think it's 40 something.
Wow, I I think it is.

SPEAKER_03 (10:39):
I would think it would be higher than that.

SPEAKER_07 (10:41):
Really?
Yeah, maybe it is.
We'll re-look it up because I'mI have so many numbers.
Do you believe in ghosts?
I do.
Only because things havehappened.
When I say ghosts, I don't mean,you know, but kind of spirit
flickering light flickering,yeah.
Energy.
Yeah, we've had there's somethings.
Or your refrigerator knocking.
That was crazy.

(11:02):
We both were sitting on thecouch completely stumped when we
heard knocking.
It was like completely, yeah,sounded like someone was on a
refrigerator.

SPEAKER_03 (11:11):
And when we opened the door of the refrigerator, it
was even louder, and it was notit was like there was a
leprechaun inside of ourrefrigerator banging on our
refrigerator.
I'm dead serious.

SPEAKER_07 (11:19):
But it wasn't like the ice makers to the left of
the refrigerator in the door, itwas not the sound was not.
It was coming from the backbehind the refrigerator.
Gordon went outside to see ifour neighbor came over.
Wasn't hammering on the house,yeah.
Was hammering on the house orsomething, that's how crazy.

SPEAKER_03 (11:35):
And to let you know, we don't have a crazy neighbor.
We live in Newtown.
So all the houses.
So when we live in Newtown, thehouse to the left of us, their
yard is actually next to ourhouse.
That's their yard.
Our yard is to the right.
So every house's yard is to theright of their house.
So that would be their yard.
So they're not crazy back in ourhouse.

SPEAKER_07 (11:53):
No, it wasn't.
Nobody was there.
We still don't know.
We've been there six years andwe've never heard anything like
it.
And I don't, I don't know whythe the ghost would be in our
refrigerator.
We've had several stories, andwe'll have to have some fun.
I think we're probably gonnahave a little paranormal fun on
here and have a special guest onto kind of talk about that.
But um, but anyway, our sourcequestion do you believe with

(12:13):
ghosts?
Have you had maybe somethingthat's been paranormal energy,
weird things or somethinghappened to you?
We would love to know.
And then we actually um there'ssomething we're kind of talking
about too.
We had the funny drawings andthat, and we had a conversation
with a friend.
But man, when and what is theage now that you finally get
your kid off the payroll?

(12:33):
Yeah, and when I say that, theyaren't doing anything to get
paid, it's just you're payingfor everything, like car
insurance, card payments, phonepayments.
I mean, now we didn't have cellphones, we didn't we didn't have
all the things that we have nowthat we need that you have to
pay for.

SPEAKER_03 (12:50):
So, what did March Sutherland say?

SPEAKER_07 (12:52):
It's like after rent's over when they're 18.
And he said it in a Britishaccent.
But yeah, you're done.
You start paying rent whenyou're 18 because they're then
the employees are gonna happen.

SPEAKER_02 (13:03):
Now you're being charged.

SPEAKER_07 (13:04):
Yeah.
So you know what?
We're all ready because we gotstarted a little bit late, but
we are gonna take it to a quickbreak because, of course, you
know it pays for the station.
It's all the amazing advertisersthat come on board that believe
in the station, want to be apart of it, share their voice,
and have you hopefully visitthem local.
And that's what it's all abouthere on the Lou Information
Station is being local.

(13:25):
We're gonna bring in Moisty, ifwe're saying it correctly, who's
a musician or the entertainer,find out a little bit about him
and our still streams right hereon the In Your City show.
So again, go to luinfo.com ifyou want to watch it.
Um, it's streaming live at alltimes.
And then, of course, we're onthe beautiful dial on the radio
at 590 a.m.

(13:45):
if you still love that way oflistening to things.
But we're your favorite podcast,we hope now.

SPEAKER_03 (13:50):
Yeah.
All right.
So we'll be right back.

SPEAKER_07 (18:44):
You can watch us live on Louinfo.com, and we are
here.
We've got our first SoulStrings.
Um, I love this.

SPEAKER_03 (18:52):
In-house guest, yes.

SPEAKER_07 (18:53):
Yes, and our first Soul Strings guest.
This is Gordon's baby.
This is something that he hasput together.
And being a musician, like wetalked about, he really wanted
to bring the heart of music intothe show.
So every Tuesday, we're gonnahave somebody in the station
that's doing incredible thingsout there in the music world
with a beautiful soul.
And today we have, I can't sayit correctly because his accent

(19:16):
is so amazing.
So I get to call him Mo, but MoI see Martini.

SPEAKER_01 (19:21):
Yes, very close.

SPEAKER_07 (19:22):
Very close.
Welcome to the show and thankyou for being here.

SPEAKER_00 (19:26):
The right pronunciation is Mo Acir.
It has to make three syllables.
The Brazilian Indian name is thefirst Brazilian name, actually.
And we have our poca huntersthere as well in Brazil.
Her name is Iracema.
Oh, really?
Iracema fell in love with onePortuguese general, but the
Portuguese accept her, so sheshe went and lived in Portugal

(19:49):
for a while, but she was Indian,like no clothes, and uh like no.
Oh, no clothes, and then she hadto go to Portugal, like and wear
like those big dresses, and thenshe got fed up with that very
shortly.
No, I think she lived over therefor three years, and then she
returned to Brazil.
But they have three kids, andone of the kids was Moacir,
which is my name.
So they said that's the firstBrazilian name, Moacir.

SPEAKER_03 (20:10):
That's so awesome.
Well, so well, welcome to theshow.
We're glad that you're here, andwe're glad you're that you're
our first guest on Soul Strings.
Thank you.
Thanks for having me.
Brazilian-born musician.
Yeah, so when did you firststart?
Let's go back and let's starttalking about when you first
started getting interested inmusic and what got you
interested in music.

SPEAKER_00 (20:28):
Well, I always always play, I always play
percussion.
Since I was 10 years old, I havelike 10.

SPEAKER_03 (20:34):
Always coming out.
You're just coming out playing.

SPEAKER_00 (20:37):
But I but I play because I love to do it.
Like me and my friends, we havelike each one have individual
precaution instruments.
So we did a little sample group.
Sum is not Brazilian nationalmusic.
So we did a little sample groupand we play in the corner.
Back then the police used tochase us out of the corner, they
didn't want us to play in thecorner, and then uh the military
was in power.

(20:57):
Now we have to understand thattoo.
But anyway, so like then we wentto the backyard and then we
started playing in the backyardthere.
They didn't bother us.
So like my I was I was 10 yearsold.
But soon, like I started likeworking, going to school at
night, and then was it was hardto continue with the music.
And then I got a degree inadvertising, and then I started
working on the PBS, like inBrazil, it's called the

(21:19):
Vicultura, which is a um mainlythe most like strong PBS in
Brazil.
And then like uh with 26, Imoved to the US.
And then when I moved to the US,like I moved to Chicago, and
then like in Chicago, uh acouple years later, I started
really getting homesick ofBrazil.
So I started doing a sampleschool.
Are you familiar with the termsamba school?

(21:40):
No, it's those big money graphparades that we have in Brazil,
those those kids on like inthere.
Those are those organizationswho put those money graph
parades together are calledsamba school.
And I grew up in summer schoolsin Brazil.
Like I prayed on them, like Iwas always present, like at the
the parade, and Carnaval hasalways been my love.
The money graph parades, likeno, the whole season of Carnival

(22:03):
has been my love.
And then uh, and then when Imoved to Chicago, I start one of
the young shoes.
I missed that too much.
So like I started a group oflike a sample school in Chicago,
it was called Chicago SumbaSchool, and it was in 1990 when
I did that.
And then and then for a while,we have like 25 percussionists,
but I have like 10 dancers, butI was very confusing.

(22:25):
How many percussionists?
25.
Oh, okay.
But but in Brazil, we have 400s,and those groups over there,
like every one of those groupshave 400 percussionists, those
parades have 5,000 people inthose parades, and like
different, like 50 differentsessions, and the precaution
session is only one of them.
It's something out of thisworld.

SPEAKER_03 (22:43):
I was gonna say, I'm because I'm sitting here and I'm
trying to I'm trying tocomprehend 400 percussionists
playing at the same time.

SPEAKER_00 (22:49):
It's a lot of rehearsals.

SPEAKER_03 (22:53):
What kind of look does the one guy who messes up
yet after the other 399 are likegoing?
We were all good.
What's now we gotta do thisagain?

SPEAKER_00 (23:00):
Well, just the main guy over there, like the main
lead drum cannot show up, no,like uh so like let's reschedule
this rehearsal with another 400people.
No, it doesn't work like that.
Like they know they have to dothose rehearsals.

SPEAKER_03 (23:12):
Everybody's prepared, indeed.

SPEAKER_00 (23:14):
They're sharp, no, like it's it's part of the
culture.
They grew up with that, and Igrew up with that as well.
And then I and then I startedthis group in Chicago, like uh,
and then with the only then whenthey said there was 25 in this
group that you started.
There was 25 instruments,precaution instrument, only
precaution.
There was no no melodicinstrument, it was all
precaution.
And then, like, we did somepresentations at some Latino

(23:34):
festival at an AVP in Chicago,which I was still working with
them today.
Like I still work with an AVP.
I so that band in Chicago calledthe Chicago Samba School, it's
still exists today.
But we took the school out ofthe name because it was too
confusing for America's like,this is a school, this is a
band, what is this now?
And it was just a Brazina band.

(23:55):
So we we took the school out ofthe name and became only Chicago
Samba.
That's the name of the group.
And we we're full like doing alot of shows over there, so I'll
go back and forth.
But I live in St.
Louis, I love you, so this is mycity.
It's our city.
This is my city.
It is our city.
I've been living over here for32 years now.
And uh I came over here.

SPEAKER_03 (24:16):
I've been here for 32.
I was gonna ask you.

SPEAKER_00 (24:18):
In St.
Louis, in San Luis for 32 years,uh 20 years in in Maplewood, now
12 years in Dogtown.

SPEAKER_03 (24:24):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 (24:25):
So, like uh that's the and I came over here in
1991, I think 1991, to do aworkshop with a group of
percussionists like call thesambistas.
They played some music, but theydidn't know how to tune the
drums properly.
So, like I gave theminstruction.
I came I came for the weekend,and I met a girl like uh when
when they came over here, youknow, and I was without a

(24:46):
relationship.
Like then we started dating, andthen we date for a while, and
then I moved down.
We lived together for 20 20years, we're not together
anymore.

SPEAKER_03 (24:54):
But it was now did the music have anything to do
with that relationship?

SPEAKER_00 (25:01):
Yeah, she she was a drummer too, and she loves to
play drums.
Now she we still play togetheronce in a while.
She she's kind of busy, youknow.
She was a uh professor, uh shewas a professor of Webster.
She retired now, but it's like,please, if you have like
festivals, she doesn't want todo clubs.
But if it's a festival, likesomething like that, you need
like my my skills, like pleasecall me.
So I always call her to do somegames with that.

SPEAKER_03 (25:22):
So very cool.
So do you have any now?
You say you have something overin Chicago, you've got a band
that you play with in Chicago.
Do you have anything herelocally?

SPEAKER_00 (25:29):
Yeah, so like uh and then when I 93, when I moved
over here, like it's wait forone year, and then I create
another band too called SumbaBoom.
That's that's a local band.
Okay, and uh and then we have asinger, wonderful singer, but
she's a dentist, and so she'salways really busy with what uh
working with as a dentist.
She's from Brazil, and uh toobad she couldn't come because

(25:52):
she has this sweet voice,beautiful voice.
Like uh, and then we have abunch of presentations now, like
this.
Uh I'm gonna plug in my mywebsite over here.
Yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 (26:02):
We want you to.
We want people to find out whereyou're at, what where you're
playing, and and where they cango to your website.

SPEAKER_00 (26:07):
Sure.
Uh so it's called www.samba S AM B A Bone B O M dot com, which
means good samba.
That's that's what samba bonemeans.
And uh, we have uh our schedulesover there on the website, but
tomorrow there will be awonderful show at uh history
museum.
Then we're gonna do a show, uhscript that I wrote.

(26:28):
Uh I I do many things, not likebesides music, but uh and I work
for Springboard St.
Louis.
I don't know if you're familiarwith them.

SPEAKER_03 (26:36):
You know what?
I saw that, so tell me a littlebit about that.

SPEAKER_00 (26:38):
That's it's uh it's a non-profit organization that
brings uh culture or art toschools, and I have programs
with them, and one of them iscalled Sounds of Brazil, that
we're gonna be doing tomorrow atnoon, uh the History Museum.
And this this show, like I wrotea script like with the history
of Brazil, and then so we tellthe history of Brazil through

(27:01):
music.
We start with the indigenousIndians of Brazil, how the
Portuguese arrived, how theybrought the Africans in, how the
cultures blend together, andthen we end up the show with the
Bossa Nova, which is like afusion between samba and boss.
So, like uh, so that's a lot oflike a lot of history like
involved in the show.
There'll be a dancer in costumestomorrow, like beautiful

(27:25):
costume, and she's a wonderfuldancer.

SPEAKER_03 (27:27):
How long is this event last tomorrow night?

SPEAKER_00 (27:29):
Tomorrow is 45 minutes.

SPEAKER_03 (27:31):
45 minutes.

SPEAKER_00 (27:32):
We are part of a big program from uh Latin and
Caribbean culture that uh thehistory museum is putting
together.
So the event the whole event isfrom 10 to 1.
10 to 1?
That's what I was gonna ask.
But we're gonna our presentationwill be at the uh the main
theater that I forgot the nameright now.
Dean, or I forgot the name ofthe main theater.

SPEAKER_03 (27:53):
Yeah, do they have information on that on their
website?

SPEAKER_00 (27:55):
Yeah, well, it's at their links like on my website.
You can find us like also onsocial media, like Facebook or
or Instagram.

SPEAKER_03 (28:04):
Yeah, I uh you know what I'm with you.
You know, if it wasn't for her,I wouldn't be on half of the
things that we're on, but it'slike because of what we do that
we're on it.

SPEAKER_00 (28:12):
Yeah, like me too.

SPEAKER_03 (28:13):
Like like so you start at a young age.
Um, and it seems like this iskind of a little bit of a
spiritual thing, too, with themusic.
Tell me a little bit about that.
How much is the spiritual sideof this played, not only with
with your music, but with yourown life?

SPEAKER_00 (28:26):
Uh it's uh I think it that comes with you already,
you know, like with your DA DNA,your soul, it's all together
with that.
You feel like very humanistic,like you're gonna be a good
human being.
Like uh, if you tend to be twoother sides, you're gonna be
like that.
That comes with you.
That's the way I feel.
And uh, my neighborhood was halfblack and half white, so there

(28:47):
was a lot of Afro-Brazilianculture in my upcoming, uh, when
was growing growing up, and thenthat we share the drums, like
now, we shared together.
I started seeing like thissocial difference when I moved
over here.
They start seeing like thisblack and white difference
that's right in your face.
There's subtle, there's sometrue, but subtle.
But when I was a kid, I didn'tfeel that no.

(29:09):
To me, like we are equal, likewe grow up.
No, we're poor, we're in theneighborhoods and the hoods, but
but uh no, we share the culture,like there was no not a big
difference being black.

SPEAKER_03 (29:19):
Well, you know what?
Um, you so how many instrumentsdo you actually play?
You play you're talking aboutpercussion, and I saw you
brought something that's notpercussion, yeah.
But how many instruments do youplay?

SPEAKER_00 (29:30):
Well, uh the the call bateria, but it is the drum
session of the the the summerschool, like the the 400
drummers there, and they areseparated in groups.
So, like there, there's like 10to 12 drums, but uh the little
little little chambour, likethis, they're like 80 of them.
So, like when they playtogether, it's called
tambourine, they play togetherreally loud and make solos on

(29:54):
that.
There's like lines designed forthose, and every year is
different, every song at schoolis different.
So, like uh it's a big processof creation there, and then they
call the biggest party on earth,like for a reason, because it is
the biggest part, the biggestparty on earth.
Like it's kind of way to putfootage on that, like later,
like, but uh that's what it is.

(30:15):
So there's those 12 instruments.
I play those 12 instruments andI teach because for a while,
like I was going to Europe, likein teaching groups in Europe as
well, doing workshops over here,like even in Brazil, like I did
some workshops in Brazil.
So those instruments from thebateria from the percussion
session called Batucada, I I Iknow well all of them because I

(30:36):
teach them.
And there's always a leadinstrument called hypniq.
I know there's a lot of foreignwords over here.
That's the lead instrument onthat.
So like you you you lead all theother instruments because it's
very high peat, you hit you hitwith one uh drumstick in your
right hand and the the left handis left, that instrument.
I can send you pictures later orsomething.

(30:57):
So so that one over there, likeI'm I'm good on that one over
there because you you need to begood on that, because like
you're gonna lead a lot ofpeople when you're doing that.
No, so from that, like there'ssome strings, instrument that I
play called biringball.
It's an is an African guitarthat's a one single string with
a gourd attached on that.
But if you one string, onestring, but if you slide the the

(31:17):
the string, like you have notesover there.
Oh you can play like littlescalping bow, and there is a
martial art associated with thatinstrument called Capoeira.
Sorry about all the foreignnames over here, like in terms,
but but it's what it's I'mintrigued.

SPEAKER_03 (31:32):
I've never seen that instrument.

SPEAKER_00 (31:36):
The one that I played, that we play like uh
when I was 30 years old, andthen I started and I started
Chicago Summit School back inChicago.
I said, I'm gonna be a musician.
But I was 30 years old when Idecided to be a musician.
So three?
30.

SPEAKER_03 (31:48):
Oh, 30.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (31:49):
30 years old.
I was 30 years old when I likeI'm gonna be a musician.

SPEAKER_03 (31:52):
So like started at 69, so you're good.
30 is good.

SPEAKER_00 (31:57):
So like I I went to Brazil and I took a lot of
class, I took a lot of classeslike this, like this.
No, and that's that's what I dotoday.
This the this is the onlymelodic instrument.
Uh it's funny, this this guitaris from Portugal.
And uh, I was in Portugal acouple years ago.
So I'm gonna find great playersover there.
Nobody plays this guitar inPortugal anymore.

(32:17):
But in Brazil, like the wholecountry played this guitar.
It's called cavaco orcavaquinho, which means a little
piece of wood.
Cavaco, a little piece of wood,and then uh the ukulele was made
out of this guitar here.

SPEAKER_03 (32:30):
But as you can see, I was gonna say it looks like a
ukulele.

SPEAKER_00 (32:32):
Yeah, the body is pretty much the same, but uh no,
the this like uh a fretboard,yeah.
No, the guitar.
Uh uh the strings are uh metal,uh iron, uh steel.
Oh, still still still guitar,and the ukulele are nylon
string.
Gotcha, and the way of playingtoo, because this one can I play
a little bit?
Yes, and what's the name?

SPEAKER_03 (32:52):
Is there a name to the song?

SPEAKER_00 (32:53):
No, just just give you like a deal.

SPEAKER_03 (33:09):
I thought Kelly was gonna break out in some little
bit of dancing because she hearssongs that get her moving, she
starts to dance.

SPEAKER_00 (33:15):
But you can you're playing melodic stuff too, like
like that.

SPEAKER_03 (34:12):
So that's that is like intuitive.
Very good.
Mo Martini right there.
Awesome.
So I know it was it's like itwas.
I felt like I needed a uh aglass of wine or a peanut a lot
or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 (34:27):
So that's what the group tried to blend a look,
like a lot of instruments ofthis style that I'm playing with
is called choro.
It's uh it's a Portuguese, likeuh funny story.
Like this is this this is aweird story.
Uh Napoleon Bonaparte, like in18 or 7, invaded Portugal.

SPEAKER_03 (34:44):
Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (34:45):
So the whole royalty fled to Brazil afraid of him.
Everybody was afraid of Napoleonback then.
So he went to Brazil and broughtlike everything with him, the
whole royalty and the musicians,because they were having a lot
of parties there, and the hipmusicians that was playing their
parties was the polka musicians.
So those polka musicians went toBrazil, and there, like, there
was there was no music beforebesides the drums, the African

(35:08):
drums.
So the African drums just like afusion with uh with polka music
and and and originated style ofmusical short of C-H-O-R-O.

SPEAKER_03 (35:19):
That is so interesting.
Yeah, I know.
Music, it tamed Napoleon'sheart.
He had to take it with him.

SPEAKER_07 (35:24):
So that is so yeah, like it really just calms the
soul.
Now, head baby music doesn't doit for me, but but music,
especially the plain live of it,it just it's so soothing and
relaxing to to be able to hear,you know, somebody play out.

SPEAKER_03 (35:41):
Oh, I know, and you play very well.
So you started when you were 30,yeah, and now you're doing
you're doing all these differentbands, you're flying back from
Chicago, you're doing up here inthe Midwest.
Um we're just thrilled to haveyou here today.
We have what we do, we do like aquestion of the day.
And uh, Kelly, you want to askhim what that is?

SPEAKER_07 (36:03):
Well, we have a poll question, so yeah.
Well, we have a question aswell, but we didn't quite get
deep into the subject as as wewanted to.
Um, and asking the question doyou do you have any children?

SPEAKER_00 (36:14):
I do.
I have two and I have fivegrandkids.

SPEAKER_07 (36:17):
Well, you might be able to chime in a little bit,
but we were we were kind oflaughing because we were
wondering, you know, when do youfinally, when do your kids
finally what we call get off thepayroll?
You know, we're we're constantlytaking care of everything for
them and they get quite used toit.
And then they stay in collegeforever because the longer they
stay in college, the more youmight take care of them.
So we're like, when do you know,should there be like a

(36:39):
straightforward when you're 18,you're on your own, but that
doesn't seem to happen.
And then we have a greatdestination that we're going to
be talking about um that'shaunted.
And so we're kind of wondering,you know, do people believe in
ghosts?
Do you believe in ghosts?
And what is it like in Brazil?
Do you feel in uh that there'sspiritual forces are out there
and around us?

SPEAKER_00 (36:59):
I think so, I think so.
I don't know about theconnection with about the kids
and the ghosts, but it's you wehad two conversations.

SPEAKER_03 (37:08):
So we're gonna go with the kids first.
So let's go there.
So do at what point do youfinally cut off the kids?

SPEAKER_00 (37:17):
Well, early, like they were teenagers, like I was
we always ask him to do somebabysitter to like to uh mow
grasses from from the neighbors,like because I might I went to
school, I pay for my school whenthey went to school, and they
said, like, listen, like I'm notgonna be working with the rest
of my life to pay school forboth of you.
No, just have good grades, no,like you don't need to work,
like you can go like out thewage, finish high school, like

(37:41):
have good good scores, like, andthen you you're probably gonna
get like a uh scholarship, andmy son did.
Oh, that's my daughter didn't.

SPEAKER_03 (37:50):
So there's always that one, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (37:53):
But she always likes you to raise cars, no, like and
then she don't know, she wantsto have her car.
You know, he was very like uhhe's an engineer, and uh she's
still going to school, likeshe's four years old, she's
still going to school.
But she started doing likeaccounting, and then and she
didn't on and off, on and off,and start having kids, start

(38:14):
having kids before like nohaving have a diploma in before
getting a job and stuff likethat.
I'm like, and she knew better,but I know I could you you try
to be supportive of that, no,but uh to me was my philosophy.
Like, since like a young age,they knew they were not going to
pay for the college.

SPEAKER_07 (38:30):
Does the family uh is anyone else involved in
music?

SPEAKER_03 (38:33):
No, just yeah, I was just gonna ask that.
No, you're good.
That was good.

SPEAKER_07 (38:37):
We do um uh actually Logan chimed in and clapped and
said how talented you are.
So it looks like he's also avery big fan of yours.

SPEAKER_00 (38:46):
Yeah, yeah, I love him too.
Like we're together some someparties.
He's really good friends withHabakka, which is the singer of
the band.

SPEAKER_07 (38:52):
He did mention that that uh that she's amazing as
well.
You were talking about her.

SPEAKER_00 (38:56):
Yeah, so like uh you know, because this happens.
If I if I had money, if I knowto have a job that I normally
have money, we would pay for theschool, of course.
No, but I didn't have now backin Chicago.
I even though I came from fromum from working the PBS, I was a
producer on the PBS in Brazil.
When I went to Chicago, Istarted working in the kitchen,
like like uh doing everything inthere, like making pizza, salad,

(39:18):
dishwashing, everything.
So from there, I thought myEnglish was a little better, but
it wasn't.
So it took me a while until likeI start working with my own
legs, like uh when speakingEnglish properly.
And uh, even today, like I knowthat I have a very heavy accent,
but understanding I requirethank you.

SPEAKER_07 (39:35):
Yeah, no, I mean go over to your country and start
speaking your language.
We admire anybody that is takingon the English language and
speak more than one, so uh wecan't say anything about your
accent.

SPEAKER_03 (39:48):
Music is the universal language, right?

SPEAKER_00 (39:50):
Yes, that's yeah, music has this magic, you know,
like it's like bringing peopletogether.
You all have like a romanticsong that you relate to a
person.
There's so so much, and somemusic calms you down, like
there's many factors, and allthe whole industry is a big
industry as well, no, like uhno, provide a lot of jobs, and
uh and when if you look at thehistory of music, music exists

(40:12):
for 30,000 years, 40,000 years.
They're doing uh flutes withbones and stuff like that.
But uh the music pretty muchtook out the last 300, three
centuries, the three lastcenturies, because the church
had the control of the music,you know.
Then the music started gettingmore popular with Bach and some
some other Luthero, Lutero, Ithink it was the one that would

(40:33):
make the music a little morepopular, more accessible to
people.
But it was a sacred thing, itwas something only for the
church before.

SPEAKER_03 (40:40):
So you're so well educated, it seems like in the
music history.
So, was that some of the coursesthat you took?
Was music history?

SPEAKER_00 (40:45):
No, no, my thing was straight and advertised, like
how to sell products, how totake advantage of people, stuff
like that.

SPEAKER_03 (40:54):
So, have you used that?
Have you used that in your musiccareer?

SPEAKER_00 (40:57):
Your marketing, no, I don't, but it's good to sell
the band.
Like, I know how to sell and howto charge too.
It's not only to sell, I have tosell and charge properly, you
know, like two things.
So it helps a lot.
But though, like I never I neveruh have a degree in advertising,
but I never work with product.
I think I said that before toyou.
Like I always work with ideasbecause I was working for the
PBS.
So like I feel like uh I know Ifeel good about that, you know,

(41:20):
like not having to sellcigarettes for kids or
something, you know.

SPEAKER_03 (41:23):
So you have a so give me an idea to sell our
show.

SPEAKER_00 (41:29):
I saw I saw a promo like online beautiful on on
YouTube.
That was nice.

SPEAKER_07 (41:36):
Thank you.
Yeah, it looks like um Loganalso was off the payroll uh at
14.
Wow, that's really 13.
I wish I could uh have had thatluck.
It's an exciting moment.

SPEAKER_00 (41:49):
Let me go back then to a to a question about the
spiritual.
Yeah, Brazilians are veryspiritual, and there's like you
know, there's this whole thing,there was like uh Indians over
there are living there for13,000 years until the
Portuguese arrived 500 yearsago, no, and they brought the
Africans there too, anotherspiritual like continent.
So, like how the mix of thoseelements over there, like like

(42:12):
make Brazilian people veryspiritual.
Because like I'm pretty muchEuropean, like my my
grandparents were from Italy andSpain, but I was born there in
Brazil, like but I like I said,like we're in the streets, like
playing the drums.
So like I got all those elementsfrom them too.
Like so I became this person,and then sometimes I'm living
over here now, but I why did Iwhy I was born like in Brazil,

(42:34):
no, like in the middle of that.
No, that's a big question.
The world, how how come you'reborn here, though?
You so many places in the worldnow, but that's that's a very
spiritual.
Yeah, I don't have an answer forthat.
Okay, but uh just to be remote.

SPEAKER_07 (42:52):
We all know we don't have those answers.

SPEAKER_00 (42:55):
No, no, I no, I don't I don't know if I believe
in ghosts, no, like but I byspiritual like forces I do.
I for like uh force of praying,you know, like we we combine
like uh uh direct like energy,like thoughts and stuff like
that.
I believe a lot on that.
And I believe like protectiontoo, because you know, as your

(43:15):
brain sleeps, your soul is stillthere, you know.
Like you wake up in the morning,connect everything again, and
your life go our life's gonna goall the way like that.
No, so I I believe a lot.
I though I don't I'm very Idon't have a religion today, you
know, like uh but I passedthrough a bunch of them, no, but
somehow do I got disappointed ordisinterested?
But uh that's sort of I'magnostic today, so that's uh

(43:38):
okay.

SPEAKER_03 (43:39):
Well, let me ask you this question too.
We'll get back not on the ghost,a little bit on the ghost thing,
because what we're doing.
Yes, let's do that then.
Let's do that.
We'll talk out there about theghost.
We have time for anotherquestion, and we have two
minutes.
So, what I wanted to ask you isum um in where you came from
when you grew up, what we'redoing is a road trip that's

(44:01):
taking us to places that werehaunted or have ghost places.
So is there anything over therethat has a story of hauntings?

SPEAKER_00 (44:09):
I don't know.
We don't have Halloween, forexample, right?

SPEAKER_03 (44:12):
But I'm talking like a place that maybe has this a
story behind it that would kindof have something.

SPEAKER_00 (44:18):
Well, it happened to me when I was an adult, like uh
in Bahia, state of Bahia, is thenortheast of Brazil, it's uh a
straight line from Africa.
So the Portuguese like uh shipson crews, like in and went
straight to Bahia, Brazil.
There, like a there was twoeyes, like I was like looking

(44:39):
some sanctuary over there, and Isaw this energy coming out from
there.
No, like uh, but it was uh thethe African religion, like
what's called the Yemanja, oneof them.
But uh there are gods fromAfrica.
So there was a little sanctuaryfrom over there, and I was
looking at night.
There were some candles in thisbeautiful energy, energy came

(44:59):
from there.
And then I said, like, wow, Idon't I don't even know how to
take it.
No, but uh, but but it was good.
It was something like this fillmy soul, like uh, and I really
enjoyed that.
That's the one time that Iremember something like, but
another thing too that Iremember, like that having like
a good, a good like saint or aprotector, like some something,

(45:20):
some to you, like uh you know,sometimes something really bad
can happen to you, but like uhthis thing pulls your body a
little bit so the things pass byin which some other people
happen to get the person infull.
So and you see that happened allthe time, no, like uh so I I
remember a bunch of times thathappened to me.

(45:40):
So, like I feel like uh uhangel, uh guardian angel,
guardian angel, yeah.
So that's I believe a lot onthat.
Now that happens to me manytimes, no, being situations that
was very uh uh dangerous, andsomehow I got pulled off like
that, like safe, like with noproblem.

SPEAKER_03 (45:57):
So, like uh well, Mo Marquis, we appreciate you being
here.
You've given us some spiritualfeelings today with your music
and how you've enlightened us.
Yeah, so you can take us tobreak.
So play us a little music out aswe go to break.

SPEAKER_07 (46:10):
Um will uh take us uh out as soon as he's ready to
go ahead and let go to go tothat top of the hour.

SPEAKER_00 (46:17):
This is a song of mine.

SPEAKER_01 (46:22):
What if I see you for the first time?
I'm gonna open my eye and say,Would you like to come with me?
What if since you like me toagree and say besides your arms

(46:50):
I want something else a piece ofyour mind?
What if I say it's all right fornow?
You look so sensational, for themind is that some delay have a

(47:12):
keys anyway.
But let's start it today.

SPEAKER_00 (47:19):
Aren't you glad it's Tuesday?

SPEAKER_07 (47:24):
That was fabulous.
Thank you so much.
We appreciate you being heretoday on the city show as our
first soul strings guest.

SPEAKER_00 (47:31):
Thanks so much.
I appreciate being here.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Oh, don't forget to log on likewww.sumababone.com.

SPEAKER_07 (47:37):
Yes, the history museum tomorrow, great.

SPEAKER_00 (47:39):
Tomorrow, tomorrow noon.
Yes.

SPEAKER_07 (47:40):
Awesome.
All right.
Well, you are Gordon, your uhfirst Soul Strings series.
First Soul Strings, yes.
Awesome.
All right, we're gonna take itto a break.
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murder.
I mean, what a scary, you know,title, right?
To have that happen to you backin 1982.
She maintained her innocence, ofcourse, throughout um her

(56:51):
incarceration.
Um asserting that herinvolvement in the crime was
misrepresented.
Um, after serving 36 years.
So she's 32, she has children,little children, 36 years in
prison.
Her sentence was commuted in2017 by the uh then governor
Eric Greyton.
One of the good things he did,right?
Um, leading her to release.

(57:12):
So since then, Judy's become anadvocate, strong advocate for
criminal justice reform and ashared experience for her
memories.
And she's here with us today.
She's got a new book out rightnow, When the Light Finds Us,
and also an upcoming movie.
So let's bring Judy to the show,talk to her, and find out what's
going on in her life since uhher last time that she visited

(57:34):
us, which was quite some timeago.
So welcome to the show, Judy.
We're so glad to have you.
You look lovely.

SPEAKER_04 (57:40):
Well, thank you, Kelly and Gordon, for having me
on.
This is such a treat.
I've been looking forward tothis, waiting for the book to
get done.
And of course, as you know, itwas a six-year project.
So it's been that long sinceI've seen you.

SPEAKER_07 (57:53):
Yeah, absolutely.
Can you show the cover of thebook or does um do that for just
so we can see it?
It's such a beautiful cover.
You know, what a you know,that's really something to try
to figure out.
How do you make a beautifulcover on a book that's a memoir
of something that was sodevastating in your life, right?
I mean, you're now a bloomingflower, that's for sure.

(58:15):
And every time I see you, um,and the last time I saw you was
at the event become um that we,you know, all enjoy it's gosh,
hundreds of women that cometogether to learn, motivate, and
inspire one another.
And that's where I saw you.
And every time I see you, thereis literally never a moment that
you aren't filled with the hugand joy um and and being alive.

(58:38):
And you know, you could bebitter and angry and you're not.

SPEAKER_04 (58:42):
No, no, you know, Kelly, I always said there's two
things you can do with anyanger.
You can either get better or youcan get better.
And I choose better over bitterbecause that is so such a
positive energy.
You can use anger as amotivator, you can use it to
reach your goals, you can use itfor so many um positive aspects

(59:06):
versus negative.
So why not choose better?
You're so right.

SPEAKER_07 (59:10):
So, Judy, could you share with us, you know, the
circumstances that let us knowwhat led to the conviction?
And of course, uh being in thereand maintaining your innocence
through that all you think you'dbe, you know, get broken through
all of this.
Can you share a little bit withus?

SPEAKER_04 (59:29):
Uh, yes, what led to my conviction was being set up
by someone that I totallytrusted that was my boyfriend at
the time.
He had been in the ministry, hewas a real estate broker, he was
very intelligent, very suave anddebonair, very, you know, easy
to talk to.
Uh, I would be able to open upto him.

(59:51):
He had asked me questions uh,you know, about my past and uh
as a battered woman for 12years.
And so I I felt comfortableopening up to him and telling
him my vulnerabilities.
And um, you know, I didn't ask alot of questions then because I
had yet had any therapy for myabuse all those years and being

(01:00:14):
such sexually molested as achild.
So I wasn't one to askquestions.
I was rather passive in arelationship, but I'm on fire in
business.
And so I it was just like justthe opposite.
I could do so good as anentrepreneur, but I could not um
I felt like I had no power in arelationship.

(01:00:38):
Yeah, and I learned to find outthat um so many people are
addicted to different things,and my addiction was love.
You know, I had no otheraddictions but but love, and
that's all kind of love.
And but what led to myconviction after I was um uh set
up to take the fall for thismurder, we had uh one attorney

(01:01:00):
represent both of us.
We were um it was a seriousconflict of uh constitutional
issue because he could notadequately represent one without
letting the other take the fall.
Uh so you could not testify tothe truth because it would hurt
the other client.

(01:01:22):
So therefore, I could nottestify to the truth or anything
that transpired during thatwhole incident.
And I was convicted.
In the meantime, he was seeingtwo other criminal attorneys on
the side that I was unaware of,and he hired them as soon as I
was convicted.
He fired that attorney thatrepresented both of us and hired
the other two that he had beenseeing.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:44):
Now, Judy, that law has changed, right?
Where you can't hire the sameattorney can't represent two
people, correct?

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:50):
Correct, absolutely correct.
And thank God, even though mysentence wasn't overturned,
because the federal court saidit would cost the state too much
money, uh, so they could notcorrect a wrong and the could
because it would make itretroactive, and other cases
would come up after mine, afterthey ruled on mine, and cost the

(01:02:10):
state too much money, so theycouldn't do anything.

SPEAKER_06 (01:02:13):
Sure.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:14):
Sure.
Um what?

SPEAKER_07 (01:02:18):
Go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:19):
Oh no.
Um, so I don't know if youmentioned this yet, but uh so
now you did you became aparalegal?

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:26):
Absolutely, yes.
I became a paralegal, graduatedwith honors because I had to
understand the law that got methere.
And I had to understand, I hadto have deep therapy to
understand why I did not see thered flags of what was occurring
right before me.
Um, but I had only known thegentleman from April to July,

(01:02:48):
and that's when the murderoccurred.
So it was a very short span thatI even knew him.
Um a lot of people justspeculate that he just sought me
out and was able to use uh myknowledge and my connections to
do what he needed to do.
Um, so I I hate to think that, Ihate to admit to that, of

(01:03:12):
course, but hindsight.
Um I should have seen a lot ofred flags, but I did not.

SPEAKER_07 (01:03:18):
Sure, many, many of us miss red flags in so many
instances.
I mean, who who thinks ofsomething of that scale or
magnitude, you know, that canchange your life forever by not
noticing you know those redflags?
So correct 36 years, that's along time, Judy.
What were some of the challengesthat you faced?

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:37):
Well, whenever I went to prison, he put a
contract out on me immediately.
Um, so that was the first thingwhile you were in prison, while
I was in prison, because hefeared me testifying against him
in his trial, which he wasacquitted of the murder.
Wow.

SPEAKER_07 (01:03:54):
And then having children and then having to see
them.
And I know some of the photos wejust, of course, you know what
some of those that are watchinguh may not know that we did a
beautiful um feature as well onyou, uh, and our women's uh
issue.
And so that allowed me to beable to see a lot of photos and

(01:04:16):
really kind of see you in thatelement of that time, you know,
with your kids uh coming to seeyou, your family.
I mean, that the amount ofstress that it must have put on
your kids.
Um, and then you know, you haduh Animal and Puppy Lump Day, I
guess, you know, to help, youknow, you're in this place.
We can't even imagine here youare so lovely, you know, out as

(01:04:39):
an author now of a book and amovie upcoming.
But you know, that had to besuch a challenge getting used to
watching them grow up.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:48):
Absolutely.
It absolutely was.
It was probably the besidesleaving a loving family, me
being the oldest of eightsiblings.
Um, my children were justliterally torn out of my arms,
and I did not, um, it wasdevastating to not be with them.
I was just a middle class motherof two children.
I had my daughter in danceclasses and acrobats, everything

(01:05:10):
you could imagine.
And I worked from the time I was16.
I worked for the courtadministrator at the time of
Jackson County, and I never,ever, ever expected something
like this to happen.
I believed in our system.

SPEAKER_07 (01:05:25):
Yeah, yeah, we we do till it fails us, and
unfortunately, it fails so manytimes for so many uh.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:33):
So we showed the book a minute ago.
What inspired you to write thisbook?

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:37):
Well, after telling different, well, during my years
of incarceration, I had neverreally I've never talked to
media about it or about the caseor anything.
And so uh after I got out, Istarted telling people, you
know, my situation, and um theystarted asking questions and you
know they said it just affectedpeople um uh in such a positive

(01:06:00):
way um to give them courage todeal with what they were going
through.
And they urged me and begged meto please write a book.
They said this, my situationwould help so many people, male
and female.
And it's even helped teenagersthat have talked to me about
themselves reading it, and sothat encouraged me to write it.

(01:06:21):
And um, I um I wanted to be veryreal, I wanted it to have the
feelings that I had during thattime.
So I was very picky, so was mywriter out of New York, and he
was um very uh he and I werevery methodical about making
sure the readers actually feltwhat was going on at the time in

(01:06:45):
the book through the pages.

SPEAKER_07 (01:06:47):
Well, you're very involved as you're saying.
So do you have a certain, andmaybe you can't say yet, but
when you started the book andyou could see this come into
action, was there someone thatyou could see playing your role
and have they picked thatperson?

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:02):
Well, there's uh we're still in the process of
talking to producers, so we'renot sure yet which you know how
we're going to go or whom with,but um different producers and
directors have mentioned umShirley Stheron, they've
mentioned uh Jennifer Lawrence.

SPEAKER_07 (01:07:22):
And uh yeah, two maybe because we'll have to have
one when you're younger and thensort of where they do with
movies, have two different, youknow, people.

SPEAKER_04 (01:07:32):
Yes, and they mentioned Rachel McAdams also
from the notebook.
So I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 (01:07:39):
She's one of my favorites as well.
How I mean, it's terrible,absolutely awful what you had to
go through.
I mean, I nobody not any of us,I don't care, could ever even
imagine what you went through,what that's like, how
terrifying, how justexcruciatingly painful something
like that can be.
But then now here you are, andthere's gonna be, you know,

(01:08:01):
somebody portraying your lifeand watching that, you know, go
into action.
I would imagine you'll be on setduring that as well, right?

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:10):
Yes, I can't wait.
I can't wait to uh see this inliving color.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:16):
Yes.
Let me ask you this, becausethis is interesting to me.
Since your books come out, um,and I guess these books could
could be in prisons as well.
Have you had other inmates reachout to you?

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:29):
I have go ahead.
I'm sorry, Gordon.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:32):
No, since you've since you've written this book
and and since they know yourstory, have you had other
inmates reach out to you?

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:37):
Uh there have inmates, uh, inmates have
reached out.
Um, however, we haven't got itin paperback yet, and that's
something the publisher wouldhave to do because hardbacks
aren't allowed in prisons.
So we're still trying to figureout that process and how to.
I would like to just donate prisuh, you know, the books to the
prison for the offenders andhave it in the library because

(01:09:00):
there's so much in there toteach offenders how to be moms
behind bars, how to createprograms to help other people,
how to become an advocate foreach other, and how to uh help
others because that's ourpurpose, why we were created to
begin with.
And I was given the gift andblessed to be able to find that

(01:09:21):
purpose.

SPEAKER_07 (01:09:22):
Wow.
Um, and I guess you kind ofmentioned that a little bit when
you said why you would love tohave your your book and be able
to donate those, because I'm I'msure that the conversations and
the things that go on inside,um, they're facing their own
challenges.
As many of us out here, andthere's there's many women um

(01:09:45):
that are in relationships thatshouldn't be, maybe can't get
out of them, or uh, there's manyshelters that are out there
where women are seeking help.
Is there some advice, some wordsof encouragement?
Uh, based on probably muchlarger than most out there from

(01:10:06):
what happened to you.
Is there any words ofencouragement that you would
want to share from yourexperience for those other
women?
Yes, starters.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:15):
Yeah, I yes, there is a lot of advice in the book
of ways to do it.
Uh, one thing that I starteddoing in order to build my faith
and know that God was with meand uh this was going to come to
fruition is I made a visionboard.
And I had to see my faith inaction on that board.
And I saw it all the time.

(01:10:36):
I made it out of two legal pads,that cardboard pieces, and it
was very elementary, you know,looking and not the not the
prettiest thing in the worldbecause I had to cut little
pieces out of newspapers andmagazines that we had that were
thrown away in the library.
But um I would post things Iwanted to happen.

(01:10:58):
I wanted a commutation, I wantedtime served, I wanted a pardon,
which something is that isreally hard for a lifer to ever
get.
I think I'm probably the maybethe first one in um Missouri
that's ever gotten one.
I'm not sure.
I believe possibly I am,especially one that was commuted
that day and immediate releaseby a governor in the first term,

(01:11:20):
his first year.
So all of that actually madehistory in Missouri.
Um, but there's so much goodadvice in there, and I would
like to tell people you may nothave the faith at the time to go
through what you need to gothrough to get out of the
situation, but put it in livingcolor in front of you and let
your faith build and let yourdreams build around that vision

(01:11:43):
board.
And you will have the putcourage on there, put faith on
there, put hope on there, putfreedom on there.
Because everything I put on thatboard has come to fruition
except for my jet and a sportscar.

SPEAKER_07 (01:12:00):
Just keep them on there moving in that direction.
So I think that the movie, whenis it projected that the movie?
So let me ask this first.
First, how can they get yourbook?
And that's available now.
Um, and then when are youprojected to be able to that the
movie is going to launch?

SPEAKER_04 (01:12:20):
Well, we have uh well, where they can get the
book is at all major bookstoresand on Amazon.
Um they can go towww.judyannehenderson.com at my
website.
And as far as the movie, we arestill working on getting
producers that are interested indoing it.
So um, you know, that's that's ahard project.

(01:12:42):
That's uh, you know, you'vereally got to work on that one.
I thought six years was long.
I hope this one isn't gonna takethat long, but um I'm not gonna
give up.
I'm making a new vision board,as a matter of fact.
Because movie is on there, andthe book was on there, and a
movie's on there.
So I know that has not come, youknow, that hasn't come true yet,

(01:13:03):
but it will.

SPEAKER_07 (01:13:04):
It truly does happen.
I have many vision boards, founda couple behind the behind the
bed, and they can't believe uhhow many things we actually
found it when we were lookingfor stuff downstairs, and it is
crazy how many things, you know.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:16):
Um she had she had a gray washer and dryer.
And when when me and Kelly, wemean me and Kelly got together
and I started we lived together.
Guess what?
I brought over, Judy.
A set of gray washer and dryers.
It was on her vision boardbefore she ever met me.

SPEAKER_07 (01:13:35):
And that's there's so many things on there, just
looking at it.
It's just it's absolutelyhilarious, you know, looking at
so many things come true.
We I'm so appreciative that wemet you.
Um, so glad the first time, andjust watching you literally
bloom from the first time thatwe became friends having you on

(01:13:55):
our radio show a while back, andthen knowing now, wow, a book is
developed.
You deserve every everythingthat's happening to you to be
able to enjoy your life.
I'm so glad that you're I loveseeing the pictures of you with
your daughters that are grown upnow.
And um, I guess you havegrandbaby now.
I have nine grandbabies.

(01:14:15):
Nine grandkids, ninegrandpapers.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, well, keep enjoying life.
Um, I can't wait to get my handson one of your books as well, so
that I can read it from front toback rather than just parts of
it that we've we've beengetting.
But we're very thankful that youare free enjoying life.

(01:14:36):
And I hope that you keep wakingup every day with the smile that
you have on your face.
But before you go, I mean, wehave to ask all of our guests
our poll question, right?
Yes.
Do you believe in ghosts?
Oh, you believe in ghosts, Judy.

SPEAKER_04 (01:14:50):
Okay.
Do I believe in ghosts?
That's our poll question for theday.
Oh, do I believe in ghosts?
I believe in spirits.
Yes, that's well, I guess Icould maybe I should have worded
it correctly.

SPEAKER_07 (01:15:02):
Whatever, I don't ooh, we don't have that flying
around.
I guess it won't make it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:06):
But I believe in spirits, I believe that my
mother comes to me in differentways.
And she come to me as it's inthe book through a piece of
chicken.
So you'll have to find that partafter she passed away.

SPEAKER_07 (01:15:20):
All right.
I can't wait to see that.
Can you show the book one moretime before we leave?
I'm sending you a hug uh throughthe airwaves here, Judy.
And thank you for being andsharing your story with us.
I mean, it's a it's a big thingto be able to talk about your
story and you talk about it witha smile, even though.
So the strength you have isincredible.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:41):
That's faith, though.
That's your faith, right?
This is a whole differentoutlook on when you have faith
in your life.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:47):
Yes, absolutely.
You are so right, Gordon.
Whenever you let God guide youand and you don't miss his
signs, then you're doing good.

SPEAKER_07 (01:15:57):
Well, Judy, Judy Henderson, she uh her memoir is
out when the light finds us.
Of course, this is a woman whospent 36 years um incarcerated
for uh murder she did notcommit, that she is innocent.
She's free today.
She's sharing her story to helpothers, and we appreciate you
taking some time with us on thein our new room.

(01:16:19):
In the in your say you are ourfirst virtual guest.
So we have the Tavin first forevery day of our show.
So and even we had no glitchesduring it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:29):
So happy because thanks to Grant, our board
operator.

SPEAKER_07 (01:16:32):
Grant, our amazing board operator, because you know
it is everything's new, andwe're trying to get we're trying
to even get comfortable in ournew room.
So everything, you know, as youknow, we have a new life
starting here.
But yes, you know, thanks forspending some time with us.

SPEAKER_04 (01:16:47):
We've got to do a picture on your someplace.
You've got to have a wall whereall your guests are on.
We've got to do this right now.

SPEAKER_07 (01:16:53):
Hang on, Grant.
Don't take her off yet.
I'm gonna I'm shooting a pictureat our TV right now.
Lord, get one of your camerabecause the lights are all in my
way.
I got it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:01):
I got it.
I got it.

SPEAKER_07 (01:17:02):
So we've we've got a picture that we can share.

SPEAKER_04 (01:17:04):
There we go.
I love you too.
Thank you so much for having us.
It's always such a joy to seeyou and talk with you and to
talk with Gordon.
I don't get to see him as muchas I do you, but um, it was good
to see you again.
It's great to see you.

SPEAKER_07 (01:17:20):
Thank you for staying so positive through it
all and sharing your time withus.
So, Judy, Judy Henderson, thankyou so much.
Thank you.
We'll be back more right here onthe In Your City show.
Um, we are going to have ourfirst restaurant as a guest
here.
So we're gonna be talking withBethany.
I, of course, it'sB-U-D-E-D-D-E.

(01:17:43):
So Bud or Budet, uh, we'll findout, Bethany.
She is the owners of Squiresrestaurant.
She'll be in.
We're gonna talk about when wecome back as well, before we
meet with Bethany.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:54):
And AJ, I think AJ's with her.

SPEAKER_07 (01:17:56):
Uh no, AJ's not here.
Oh, is that coming?
Okay, we're gonna talk about ourdestination, our road trip that
we've got trip.
Road tripping.
So we're gonna tell you about agreat place.
And of course, if you likeplaces that are haunted, like
Gordon does, he actually triesto go find them when we find out
that we're in a place like that.
We don't want to bring them homewith us.
We're gonna talk about that roadtripping, and then we'll be back
with our last guest for the day,talk about squires, and maybe

(01:18:18):
she brought something deliciouswith us.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:19):
I hope so.

SPEAKER_07 (01:18:20):
I'm starving.
I'm starving too.
Happy hour.
We don't get appetizers in here.
So actually, yesterday we hadchampagne and open that up, but
um, there's just water in hereright now.
I think we need a cocktail.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:31):
Yes.
All right, well, we'll be rightback.
You're listening to the in yourcity show.
We'll be right back.

(01:23:37):
I'm Gordon Montgomery, alongwith my beautiful wife, my
co-host.
Yes, in your city show righthere at 590.
I keep I gotta be careful when Isay 590 because you know where I
want to go with it from from theold days.

SPEAKER_07 (01:23:52):
590 a.m.

SPEAKER_03 (01:23:53):
It's the new K L I S K L I S, yes.
But you know what?
Me and Kelly, we get to do a lotof things uh with the magazines
that we have and the radio showsand the podcasts.
We get to do a lot of things.
One of the things that we reallyenjoyed doing was taking piano
lessons and taking them at LaceField Music in Chesterfield.

(01:24:13):
Lace Field Music, Dwayne is oneof the owners there, and he's
also the keyboard player for orthe organist at uh Bush Stadium
for the Cardinals, which he'sinvited me to come up and hang
out with them in the what dothey call it, the roost up
there.
And that would be so much fun.
I would love to do thatsometime.
But what I'm going with this iswe took piano lessons, and

(01:24:33):
Kelly, Kelly learned how to playthe piano in like a week.
In one week, she was alreadyplaying the piano.
The system that they have inplace for getting piano lessons,
it's so unique and it's so easyto do.
Um, we learned how to play thepiano.
I kind of knew I always learnedby ear, and it was a little
difficult for me because it waslike you had to read music, and
I've never read music, so but Ialways wanted to read music

(01:24:56):
because I wanted to be able tojust pull some sheet music out
and play something, right?
Instead of trying to do it theold school way, like I've always
done it.
But what's really cool about itis they have a huge selection of
grand pianos, uprights, uh babygrands.
Um, they also have the disc, Ialways say it wrong, disc
clavir.
The disc clavir is a keyboardpiano that is electronic, but

(01:25:20):
you can hook up an iPad to that,and you actually can record to
the iPad from the disclaver, butit will also give you all these
songs that will teach you how toplay them, but give you backup
accompaniment with that as well.
So you got like a whole bandplaying with you when you learn
how to play it.
I'm another great thing aboutthat is it will play itself so

(01:25:41):
you can entertain your guestsand all the at a party and have
the piano playing in thebackground, which I think is
really kind of cool.
If you buy a piano, you will getyou will get piano lessons for
life.

unknown (01:25:52):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (01:25:53):
Piano lessons for life.
So make sure you go to LacefieldMusic and go down there, see
Dwayne, and have him hook you upwith a piano and and lessons.
For life?
He's 3090, and the 99-year-oldguy goes in and Dwayne's like,
I'm giving you piano lessons forlife, buddy.
That's a great deal.

SPEAKER_07 (01:26:11):
Oh well, I gotta mention.
So my yesterday we talked aboutstyle.
Yes.
Monday styling.
And we talked about that theboho, the California um, I
guess, cowgirl look is N.
And it doesn't mean like what doyou have on today?
Yeah, when I grew up, it waslike jeans, belt buckle, or
whatever.
So I I wore my yesterday.

(01:26:31):
My my my white boots you surewore yesterday, yeah.
And my it's like a white,roughly dressed, jean jacket, a
little turquoise, and uh Ididn't wear a straw hat, but you
know, you can kind of play it upany way you want, but that's
kind of the new thing.
And then, of course, the guy,sure.
We talked about that, but Iforgot to mention why I was
dressed looking like I'm I don'tknow, going to a picnic country

(01:26:52):
concert or something like that.

SPEAKER_03 (01:26:54):
I love that look though.

SPEAKER_07 (01:26:56):
I'm definitely comfortable, let's put it that
way.
Should have that yesterday sincewe had to go to Kylan's baseball
game right after the show.

SPEAKER_03 (01:27:01):
And this is what we call what my uniform, pretty
much.
It's like my daily uniform.

SPEAKER_07 (01:27:08):
Psycho bunny.
And psycho bunny.
Yeah, so cool, Jack.

SPEAKER_03 (01:27:11):
So it's not Easter, it's actually psycho bunny.

SPEAKER_07 (01:27:13):
Psycho bunny.
So today's Tuesday, of course,and it's uh road trip and
Tuesday, and we got a greatdestination.
And in the studio with us aswell, we just want to say hello.
We're sitting over there.
We don't want to make sureeverybody knows that Bethany
Buddy, now I've got the correctpronunciation, Squires, which is
an incredible restaurant, iswith us and basket with her.

SPEAKER_03 (01:27:35):
Big basket for two.

SPEAKER_07 (01:27:37):
So we are gonna find out what's inside the basket
that we could probably use to goon our road trip destination,
right?
I would think so.
Yes, absolutely.
So um kind of cool, you know.
Sometimes we don't want to geton that airplane, right?
We don't want to have to makeall those trips.
We just want to go and or Ishould say airplane stopover
layovers in airports.

(01:27:58):
Maybe we just want to gosomewhere for the day.
So a great place to go is EurekaSprings, Arkansas.
And you probably come back witha we come back with a little bit
of a twang when you go there.

SPEAKER_03 (01:28:08):
Isn't it funny how your accent changes when you
like hang out for a while?

SPEAKER_07 (01:28:12):
But just a road trip.
It it does.
It's it just starts to happen.

SPEAKER_03 (01:28:15):
She starts like everybody else in the family.

SPEAKER_07 (01:28:18):
Do you have some photos that you can show?

SPEAKER_03 (01:28:20):
Uh no.

SPEAKER_07 (01:28:21):
Oh, so you didn't do your job, I think.

SPEAKER_03 (01:28:23):
I didn't have any road trip photos.
Anybody didn't send me.
It's the wrong file.

SPEAKER_07 (01:28:28):
Wow.
Wow, it's right.
That's what happened.
That's all right.

SPEAKER_03 (01:28:32):
This is where you people on the radio are going,
yeah, see, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:28:35):
This is a business park that failed incredibly
large right now because heshould be showing about six
photos that I sent to him of ourdestination.

SPEAKER_03 (01:28:45):
Well, I will see if I can find them.

SPEAKER_07 (01:28:47):
Yeah.
So you can take the scenicroute, it's through the Ozarks.
Um, roll down the winding, youknow, roads and that, and uh,
you could play one of yoursoundtracks, either haunted
songs or fun songs, whatever.
Uh float your boat.
But 1886, that's a long timeago.
So I had a picture of thishotel, the Crescent Hotel in
Spa, which actually looksspooky.

(01:29:08):
Yeah, Julie shed nodding herhead, it does.
It looks spooky.
It's known as America's MostHaunted Hotel with sweeping
mountain views inside of horsewith historic charm, and they
call the killer spa.
So pretty cool place um to beable to go to.
And they've got things, thetreehouse cottages.
If you'd rather, you know, stayoff premises and you feel like

(01:29:31):
maybe you don't want to, youknow, meet a ghost, I guess, or
a spiritual force.
Um, then there's of coursethings to do there.
Um, the which I also sentpictures when you drive through
Eureka Springs.
What a cute, quaint town, veryhistorical to be able to go
through the Grotto WoodfiredGrill, the uh Keel's Creek
Winery, the Eureka Spring CoffeeHouse, the local flavor cafe.

(01:29:54):
And of course, you loving foodand being part of that.
I I would imagine you love when.
You go somewhere and be able tocheck out a new place.
You could probably criticizeit's something terrible, right?
And sometimes goes to a concert,then he is absolutely 100%
critiquing the lighting, thesound, everything.

SPEAKER_06 (01:30:14):
It's horrible to go to music venue with him because
he won't just listen to it likeI will.

SPEAKER_07 (01:30:19):
He's finding everything either great or
really wrong about it.
Eureka's burst is perfect.

SPEAKER_05 (01:30:24):
There's so many places to pick and choose and
critique.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:30:29):
You've been there then.
I have not, so now I'm reallyexcited.
And that's why it's open.
It's not even something Ihaven't been to.
You do not have to go far to getthere, which is awesome.
Be able to enjoy it.
So you can, of course, uh, theyhave the historic downtown that
I was talking about that Gordonis not able to show because he
has a lot.

SPEAKER_03 (01:30:45):
I will in just a minute.

SPEAKER_07 (01:30:46):
Natural Springs, did you try that at all?
We did not, but that would besomething I would like to do the
next time.
Yeah, how much fun would thatbe?
You know, just natural warmwater that's supposed to
invigorate and heal the body.
That's at the Basin Spring Park,um, the Blue Spring Heritage
Center.
Uh, the Thorn Crown Chapel.
It's one of the most beautifularchitectural hidden gems, and
we'll be talking about thattomorrow with a lot of secret uh

(01:31:10):
secret secrets.
There we go.
City secrets.
See, see how we just found out Idid send it to you.

SPEAKER_03 (01:31:17):
Apparently she did.

SPEAKER_07 (01:31:18):
City secrets that are in plain sight, but we don't
know that they're there.
And we were talking about thatthe other day, too, is is um
being a tourist in your own cityor you know, close by, how much
fun that is.
And then, of course, you couldtake the ghost tour to um inside
um the Crescent Hills hotel andspa.
So there's a road trip in foryou, something close that you
can do, Eureka Springs, um, anduh just go take the road to

(01:31:43):
Ozarks or whatever.
So let's take it to our guestwho is here with us today,
Bethany Buddy, and really talkabout uh Squire's restaurant.
And I always love talking aboutthat.
You do so, you know, uh lush,they call it a lushly renovated
Victorian factory space.

(01:32:06):
Yes, absolutely.
You are in the Lafayette Squarearea, right?
Yes, they call that the WesternWire Factory.
Yes, um, because it's that thatsquires means it's paying homage
to uh wires.

SPEAKER_05 (01:32:18):
Yep, the way that we spell it SQ is for Lafayette
Square and Wires is because itwas a wire factory.

SPEAKER_07 (01:32:24):
Very cool.
Yeah, so tell us a little bitabout that.
And it it is one of the oldestneighborhoods, so it's got the
whole um feel established in1836.

SPEAKER_05 (01:32:34):
That's a lot you're right there when the hotel we
were just talking about.
Exactly.
Is it haunted?
So uh a lot of my employeesthink that it is, especially at
night when they're there, youknow, because compressors go
off, and this is a big open airspace, so you've got lots of uh
uh sounds bouncing off of brickwalls.

SPEAKER_07 (01:32:52):
So yeah, it could be haunted.
So it could be, so no one'sactually saw a little come by
there, but they feel itsometimes.

SPEAKER_05 (01:32:58):
I think so.
Absolutely, but it is, it's agreat building, and and you
know, it's Blaffit Square, ofcourse, is the oldest historic
neighborhood west of theMississippi.
Really?
It is, yes.
And um, and our park as well, 30acres.
Um, we have our house tour thisweekend, which is amazing.
Tell us what that is.

(01:33:19):
Yeah, so um uh we haven't had itsince uh pre-COVID.
So this is an annual house tourthat's been going on since the
70s.
Oh uh so it's Saturday andSunday, uh, the home and garden
tour.
So you can come and you can buytickets and you can uh walk
around and see numerous housesand beautiful gardens.
And then it's fine by you wherethey can do something.

(01:33:40):
Of course.
Yep, yeah.
We are right in the heart ofthings.
We're in the business districtand um, you know, proud to be a
really big anchor there.
Um, you know, but we are one ofone of many wonderful
establishments.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:55):
Oh, sometimes I get a little out of sync because I'm
doing all the technical stuffhere.

SPEAKER_07 (01:34:02):
Well, tell us how would you describe the
experience of going intosquires?
You know, what is somewhat theatmosphere, and we have to go.

SPEAKER_05 (01:34:10):
Sure, sure.
So absolutely.
So think about um a kind of anold Victorian um uh factory, so
exposed brick, um, wood beams,um, 22 feet foot ceilings, um,
just big open spaces, uh,repurposed, lots of repurposing.

(01:34:30):
Exactly, like lots of recycleditems that we use, lots of items
from the original wire factorythat we were able to reuse in
the construction and the rehabthat we did 24 years ago,
probably 26 years ago and openeda couple years later.
Um, but it's you know, we arevery, we're very American, very
Midwestern, um, super freshproduce.

(01:34:53):
Uh, we use the same six or sevenfarmers that we've used for 24
years, you know, in the seasonsthat we can use them.
And this is one of them rightnow, homegrown strawberries, you
know, fresh chicken.
I mean, there's just spinach andcollard greens, all those
wonderful items that we get andcan put into our menu.
Um, but it's it's a it's a very,I would say unique experience,

(01:35:17):
but simple.
And you know, perfect.
Exactly.
The space is great.
And, you know, just lookingaround and seeing things and
walk in the neighborhood.
You know, you can just, youknow, park there and kind of
walk around and come in and havedrinks or go to our market and
have uh, you know, a coffeebeverage or some grab and go.
Um goes along with our roadtrip.

(01:35:37):
It does.
Yeah.
How about wrap?
Bring your bags and your picnicbasket, and we will pack you up
and you can go for your ride.

SPEAKER_03 (01:35:45):
All right.
So you got this amazing menu.
Give me some of the greatestitems that you have.
Some of the ones that are thecrowd favorites, the ones
creating all the bars.

SPEAKER_05 (01:35:52):
Crowd favorites.
Um, okay, so not only are we,you know, kind of midwestern
meat, uh, we are also vegetarianand vegan.
So crowd favorites, uh 12-hoursmoked brisket that we smoke on
our patio um every week.

SPEAKER_03 (01:36:07):
So if somebody's doing that tour, they're gonna
be smelling that brisket andcoming right over.
That's the thing that alwaysgets me.
It's like when I smell smell it.
So we did the veggie, we did thevegetarian thing for a while,
right?
And we did it for like what,like year or two?
Two years, two years, right?
And then all of a sudden, one ofour buddies had a had a
barbecue, exactly what it is,and it was like, oh, that smells

(01:36:30):
so good.
It was the smell that lured usback.

SPEAKER_05 (01:36:32):
Next thing you know, we're carnivores again.
Well, we haven't gone back.
We we not only smoke our brisketand our chickens, turkeys, uh,
vegetables, our salmon everyweek for our smoked salmon
Benedicts and our smoked salmondisplay that we do for brunch
every Saturday and Sunday.
Um, you know, salts and and youknow, just different things

(01:36:54):
throughout the year.
So it's it's there's there's alot of really great um
ingredients for everybody.

SPEAKER_03 (01:37:01):
All right, let's get past the main menu.
Okay, okay, let's get to thepart where we know it's hopeful.
I can't eat another bite, butyeah, I got room for dessert.

SPEAKER_05 (01:37:09):
Gotcha.
Grandma Buddy's hot milk spongecake right now with fresh
homegrown strawberries andwhipped cream.
Say that again.
Yep, I know.
I gotta hear it again.
Grandma Buddy's hot milk spongecake.
It's not a hot sponge cake.
I've ever heard about it's madewith hot milk.
And it's my grandma buddy'srecipe.

(01:37:30):
Well, did you bring that with ittoday?

SPEAKER_03 (01:37:32):
What's wrong?

unknown (01:37:34):
Well, my friends.

SPEAKER_03 (01:37:36):
You want to describe it to me and then not let me try
it?

SPEAKER_07 (01:37:42):
Which of course we have lots of questions.
She's got lots of questions.
I wouldn't call Subway Sandwicha restaurant.
I know.
Let's put that on the shelfright now.
I was in that era a long timeago.
And there were, if they were,they were in California, which

(01:38:03):
that sparked my idea.
But the gluten-free and thevegetarian, I honestly, when
someone came into therestaurant, that's how long ago
it was, and said they weregluten-free, I wasn't quite sure
what that meant.
I'm not gonna lie.
Try this and see what happens.
Sure.

(01:38:23):
And then it's just startedevolving.
Do you find that in your yearshow that has rolled into play
because you have this smokedmeat and all these things, but
there are these people thatcan't eat it all.
Absolutely.
How has that been transitioningto really cater to everyone's
food needs?

SPEAKER_05 (01:38:37):
You know, so not only do we have the restaurant,
we also have uh a prettyextensive banquet and catering
facility.
And and because of those two, wehave so many people that have
those special requests, okay?
And and yeah, we transitioned.
Um, I I can't say that it'salways easy, uh, but I can say

(01:38:58):
that we do our best.
Um we but but we also do have, Iwould say half of our menu is
gluten-free.
Wow.
And that's a lot of it'slabeled, and and we even talk
about that we can make thesemenu items gluten-free.
Um, we have vegetarian and wehave vegan items as well.
Uh, that some of those are evengluten-free.

SPEAKER_07 (01:39:20):
A lot of us didn't, I mean, we didn't know what it
was.
We didn't realize why we had astomach ache all the time.

SPEAKER_06 (01:39:24):
Yeah, some of us don't, and as we get older, we
know it may not have beenearlier, but we don't process as
well, you know, as we're agingthat.
So I just wanted to kind of youknow, being a restaurant owner,
how is it transferred?

SPEAKER_05 (01:39:35):
Now it's very easy.
I mean, it's and it's and it'ssomething that's very normal
right now for us.

SPEAKER_06 (01:39:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:39:40):
Um, are you is there a way that you if you're in the
community very involved, so wecan find yourself giving back to
the community?

SPEAKER_05 (01:39:46):
Absolutely.
So, of course, you know, withwhat has just recently happened
um this this past couple weeks,that that was a big um
undergoing for us.
I mean, right away we donated umuh proceeds from our brunch that
weekend.
And and our brunches are ourthose two days are our biggest
days.
So it was very it was a goodimpact for for the community.

(01:40:08):
And also we are still um a dropoff for uh items and and things
that we take a couple days aweek.
But we also have a wonderfulneighborhood.
Um, and it is uh LafayetteSquare, and it's a restoration
committee, um, and it's anot-for-profit.
So so the beautification and thesafety and the extra things that

(01:40:29):
a neighborhood would do have tobe you know financed somehow.
So we do a lot of donating inregards to um that organization,
uh, dining out for life is nextweek.
Oh my god.
This is our 24th year of ofdonating.
That's it.
Um, and so it's like almost fromday one.
So that's really important to usas well, as well as the ALS

(01:40:51):
Association.
I can see Courtney's over like,what's the picnic basket?

SPEAKER_09 (01:40:55):
I want to know.
He literally just keeps stickingat it, he's losing it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:40:59):
Well, our listeners that we're gonna direct back to
YouTube so you could see what itis.
Yes, we want to see inquiringminds want to go.

SPEAKER_05 (01:41:07):
It's picnic in there, right?
Uh, we have concerts at the parkum every other Saturday,
starting this Saturday.
Let's get on 69.
Yeah, so all the way throughSeptember.

SPEAKER_03 (01:41:19):
You're not gonna show me, are you?

SPEAKER_05 (01:41:20):
Uh okay.
Oh Lord have mercy.
We made housemate cookies.
Oh my gosh, they're beautiful.
Aren't they a lovely?
Oh we have here, we got it.
We have the best.
Can we show them all?
Yes, show them.

SPEAKER_03 (01:41:36):
Look how big these things are.

SPEAKER_05 (01:41:38):
We have four, they're so heavy.
We babes so heavy.
About four times gain anyweight.
Yeah, of course.
Okay, what you guys have.
So many craft beverages in ourmarket.
You can just pick up a grab andgo, yummy.
That's a margaritas pineapple.
So beautiful.

SPEAKER_07 (01:41:54):
It's happy hours, so beautiful.
Uh local cheese.
What's it say?

SPEAKER_03 (01:41:58):
It says uh it says on the rocks, premium cocktails,
jalapeno pineapple margaritas.
Yeah, I love jalapenos in mymargarita.
I think it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_05 (01:42:06):
The first time you're gonna take that home and
you're gonna enjoy it on yourroad trip while you're not
driving.

SPEAKER_07 (01:42:12):
Well, of course, right.
I'm a passenger.

SPEAKER_05 (01:42:16):
Um, so we use local farms for our cheese.

SPEAKER_07 (01:42:19):
This is in your market.
You have the restaurant, but youhave the market to go shopping.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 (01:42:23):
Okay, and then also a lot of the products.
I mean, a lot of the productsthat are in the market come for
our kitchen, and a lot of theproducts in the market we use in
our kitchen.
So yeah, so it's a really goodcombination.
Yep.
So we've got some lovely cheese.

SPEAKER_03 (01:42:36):
Cheeses.
Um, we have smoke gouda, one ofmy favorites.
How'd you know?

SPEAKER_05 (01:42:40):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (01:42:41):
One of your personal favorites.

SPEAKER_05 (01:42:42):
It's gonna go really great with your white wine and
basil.

SPEAKER_07 (01:42:45):
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
If our friends are watchingright now, they're going, coming
over.

SPEAKER_05 (01:42:52):
Uh, so not only in that market, we also have local
artists.
So we've got you know folks thatmake these beautiful towels.

SPEAKER_03 (01:43:01):
Oh fine.

SPEAKER_05 (01:43:02):
Candles.

SPEAKER_03 (01:43:03):
Um uh by Monica Casey.

SPEAKER_05 (01:43:06):
Yes, so she also plays music at Squires.

SPEAKER_07 (01:43:08):
Would you like a children's book in your in your
market?
Just happen to have one rightthere.
Oh we have many books.

SPEAKER_05 (01:43:16):
We need to talk now.

SPEAKER_07 (01:43:17):
She's see it right there.
I'm gonna send you home with onefor sure so that you have it.
I would love to be in there.
Can we ask you a question beforewe have to, we're getting close.
Um, is what has um been yourproudest moment?
You know, here you have Squire'srestaurant, Lafayette Square.
There's so many lovely thingsthat are happening around you um
that you're doing and about thecommunity.
But is there something that justreally keeps you inspired to

(01:43:41):
keep doing what you're doing atyour proudest moment?

SPEAKER_05 (01:43:44):
I think being able to employ the number of staff
that we can.
I think that that's been reallyimportant.
It was very challenging, youknow, during COVID to you know,
keep keep that staff and and tokeep them confident that they're
gonna have a job.
Um, so that that was one reallythat that's been a a passion of

(01:44:07):
mine is is making sure thatwe've got a staff that can make
a living, can make a living, paytheir bills.
Um and we can want to do thatbusiness without them.
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, that's just been, youknow, I've said that I've had a
lot of interviews, and peoplehave asked me a lot of those

(01:44:28):
kinds of things, and I thinkthat was one really important
one.
The other one is um uh ourdaughter is our GM and she has
worked for us.
Um is it AJ who was gonna comewith you?
Okay.
Yeah, she she had to work.
Sorry you missed.
Um, and we have watched her uh,you know, be a busser and uh be

(01:44:50):
a hostess.
Burn the ropes, and now she'sour GM.

SPEAKER_07 (01:44:52):
Yeah, that's incredible.

SPEAKER_05 (01:44:54):
I'm real proud.

SPEAKER_07 (01:44:55):
Squires restaurant, Bethany Buddy, the owner of the
restaurant, spending some timewith us, bringing a picanicka
basket with her.
Thank you.
And you do you have an eventspace, market, restaurant,
everything that someone couldenjoy.
You have that there at Squires.
So of course, if they just putSquires into the Google SQW.
Pardon me?

SPEAKER_05 (01:45:16):
SQW.

SPEAKER_07 (01:45:16):
SQW.
If they put that, make sure youhave that right, you know, and
and know it's Lafayette Square,the SQ, whereas they'll be able
to find your restaurant.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Someone else that I want tothank because it's the reason
why that we get to be on everyday is a business, St.
Louis Closet Company, JenniferWilliams, who's become our
friend.
She's in all three of ourmagazines, Chesterfield,

(01:45:38):
Clayton, and St.
Charles County magazine.
Um, she was on the cover of ourmagazine last September for the
style issue.
Um, she's gonna be giving ussome tips coming up this
September.
She's gonna be on our show.
Um, also talking organization.
I mean, there's something aboutbeing organized and, you know,
just like your restaurant,you've got to have it organized,
you know, to be able to functionand stay calm within your

(01:46:01):
business because when it's adisarray, it is really hard to
be able to do things.
And having our closets done hasbeen brilliant.
People get their garages done,they get their offices, their
kitchens.
It's it's not aone-size-fits-all show.
Jennifer and her team arefabulous.
It's local, it's not afranchise, just like yourself.
It is owned by a woman, run by awoman and her team, and she just

(01:46:25):
does an incredible job.
And we're so thankful to haveher part of our show and look
forward to her to be able tocome in.
She's got a strong heart for thecommunity as well, gives back
locally, does a big toy drive atChristmas, which is huge.
And we're just really, we feelhonored.
As I'm sure, like you talk aboutyour team, that personal journey
with your team that you have,knowing people like Jennifer,

(01:46:45):
you know, it it's and andknowing how she treats her staff
and her team and how much theylove working for her just shines
on the kind of person she is andwhat she gives to the community.
So, as she says, from chaos tocalm, St.
Louis Claws and Company is yourgo-to for creating functional,
beautiful spaces in every cornerof your home.
Support small and support local,is what Jennifer says.

(01:47:06):
And get organized in the St.
Louis Way.
So we've had an incredible showat six o'clock.
Happy hour is ending, and we'regonna end it perfectly with
Squires bringing us jalapenopop, pineapple margarita, and
some incredible cookies and someitems from the store.
Thank you so much, Bethany, forspending time with us.
We can't wait to come in, take aroad trip to Lafayette Square

(01:47:29):
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I should have said my hothusband, right?
Because he was so nice earlier,so beautiful.
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