November 14, 2025 • 47 mins
It’s our Haunted Halloween Special on the IN YOUR CITY Show! 👀
We’re getting chills (and maybe a few goosebumps) as we welcome Franki Cambeletti and Maddie Klein of Haunted Soulz Paranormal Investigations, along with our favorite ghost guru from the Haunted Garage Podcast! Together, they lift the veil on the supernatural world — from haunted mansions and restless spirits to their upcoming Lemp Family Documentary releasing next year.
Franki and Maddie show off their ghost-hunting gear, reveal what it’s really like to communicate with the other side, and share how their faith, spirituality, and energy protection play into investigating the unknown.
Grab your sage and your flashlight — this is one hauntingly good episode you won’t forget!
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SPEAKER_04 (00:30):
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So we are back with anothergreat show.
Our last show was sensational.
Love meeting the prongers.
(00:51):
And today we're going to take itup a notch because Halloween is
right around around the corner.
I know you were out decoratingall day yesterday, making our
house.
In fact, our neighbor is notinto spooky things.
You sort of watched uh scarymovies.
How can that be possible?
That's like so much fun.
I mean, I watch it with my eyesclosed mostly the whole show,
(01:13):
but it's still the adrenalinerush is so fun.
SPEAKER_03 (01:16):
Tell me when it's over.
It's like, why are you watchingthis?
SPEAKER_04 (01:19):
I'm like, tell me when it's over.
That's what I say all the time.
Well, the gruesome stuff is whatskits me.
I jump with the scary stuff, butit's the gruesome stuff that I
can't watch.
I can't get it out of my head.
Now it's like, how gruesome canwe get?
Yeah, it's pretty gross.
It's kind of disgusting.
That's all those sick minds wegot out there watching it.
It was the one we watched theother night.
It was the one where we couldn'teven finish it because it was so
ridiculous.
SPEAKER_03 (01:39):
No, we did finish it.
Oh.
It was the one where she the oldlady brought the box and set it
down on the table.
That was scary.
Whoever got the box was likegoing around losing their mind
and wanting to kill people.
SPEAKER_04 (01:50):
Chop themselves themselves up as well.
But no, the other movie wecouldn't even finish because it
was just so ridiculously stupid.
It it was like, okay, this isjust dumb.
So normally we don't do that.
But Olive is a little afraid ofthe decorations.
She is.
SPEAKER_03 (02:03):
I got this.
SPEAKER_04 (02:03):
Is that sure she should eat it or run from it?
SPEAKER_03 (02:05):
I've got this tombstone that when you walk up
to it, out of the tombstonecomes this ghost and pops up and
we have a bulldog and they'retriggered.
And she was ready to kill it.
She's like, it was great.
SPEAKER_04 (02:16):
She's ready to take it down.
What do you got going on?
SPEAKER_03 (02:19):
Well, did you know that remarry there's a study out
about being remarried?
That study says two-thirds ofdivorcees remarry.
SPEAKER_04 (02:26):
It's because practice makes perfect.
Now, is that the divorcee thesecond time around or first
divorce?
Did they mention?
I don't know.
I don't know if it's I don'tknow if it's they say second
marriages don't always work.
SPEAKER_03 (02:36):
Right.
And then there's people that getmarried to the same person
again.
Yeah.
Yeah, I know someone did that.
That was really a bad idea.
Hey, do you know what theaverage lifespan of a baseball
is?
Never even thought of that.
Me neither, but apparently it'sseven pitches.
After seven pitches, they changeout the ball and give another
ball, put another ball in.
SPEAKER_04 (02:56):
So they have a shorter lifespan than reality TV
couples.
You're funny today.
I know.
I know.
I tell you all the time howfunny I am.
I one of these days you're gonnacatch on.
SPEAKER_03 (03:08):
I don't, I didn't read the study, but they say we
might finally be close to theera of flying cars.
I thought when I had this, okay,so I was born in 61, I'm old.
And I thought I thought when Iwas about 11 years old, you
know, we watched all everythingwas space.
Jetsons.
Everything was space, you know,to space odyssey 2001, all these
things.
The Jetsons, yeah.
(03:29):
I actually thought when the year2000 came, we would be flying in
cars, and we'd be stuck intraffic up in the sky.
SPEAKER_04 (03:36):
Yeah.
How do you have a traffic jam inthe sky though?
How do you even keep trafficgoing the right way?
Could you imagine?
Just road rage in the sky.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, it's a long floating.
SPEAKER_03 (03:58):
I don't think that's ever gonna happen.
It shouldn't.
Ever.
SPEAKER_04 (04:01):
You're starting to bore me now.
It's a little reading.
That's all I think I liked yourother ones.
Yeah, yeah.
These are not as good.
These are great news itemsthere.
Thank you for sharing.
I know.
Well, let's get to the showbecause we're some of my
favorite topics.
You know, a little bit of chillsright now and goosebumps as I
get quite often because FrankieCambo, it's Cambo.
(04:23):
Cambo Letty, but his stage nameis Cambo.
That's right.
So we we've got we've got himand Steven Drews with us of
Haunted Souls ParanormalInvestigations.
Um, wow.
So now this is also uh with yourum Haunted Garage podcast.
SPEAKER_01 (04:42):
So Haunted Garage is a it's a leg into the the full
company.
So Dan Klein, who's the otherowner of Haunted Souls, he
couldn't make it tonight.
Uh he got sick.
So, but Haunted Garage is JeremyKing's and myself.
And then we met Dan at Dan hadthe Haunted Souls paranormal
team.
So Haunted Garage wanted aparanormal team.
We basically bought into Dan'scompany.
(05:03):
And so me and Dan basically, Danhad found it um Haunted Souls in
2022, and then we came in thisyear, 2024.
SPEAKER_04 (05:11):
And we were talking earlier.
2025.
So we actually had you in ourmagazine and did a little story
on you too as well.
So cool.
I love it.
I love every time someone comesin, we're like, we've had you in
our magazine.
That's so exciting to know that.
Yeah.
You have ghost hunting gear?
SPEAKER_01 (05:24):
Yeah.
So how we what we what gearworks for the ghosts?
SPEAKER_04 (05:29):
You're not gonna wear like bulletproof vests,
right?
SPEAKER_00 (05:32):
But but some people do show up that way sometimes.
I'm like, all right, tax fulltactical gear.
I'm like, are we squatting theseghosts?
What are we doing?
Are we climbing down the wallsand jumping through windows on
them?
Like, what are we doing?
SPEAKER_03 (05:45):
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_00 (05:46):
He was he was right, and he was actually a he was
actually a cop and marine.
So I guess when he sees thosethings, it's like Jesus.
SPEAKER_04 (05:55):
That's what I want to know.
Like, man, what do you do?
SPEAKER_00 (05:57):
When he can't see one you can't see.
SPEAKER_01 (05:58):
So um, we have investigation.
So we do 12 locations.
We have two headquarteredlocations, meaning that we have
exclusive rights to the locationfor three years.
Okay.
One of those is a Martha'sVilla, it's a Mayus Asylum or
Emmaus Village.
And then we have ArcadiaAcademy, which is an old um
Ursuline nun academy.
So it's it's very, very haunted,but it's also a wedding wedding
(06:19):
venue.
So we do limited, um, we do fourevents a year there.
SPEAKER_04 (06:22):
Did you say wedding venue?
SPEAKER_01 (06:23):
It's a wedding venue.
It's gorgeous, it's absolutelybeautiful.
And so, yes, well, we separateall that from from them.
So that never really affectstheir weddings at all.
And we don't do it in the sameweekends.
No, we don't they don't wantthat either.
So we have select weekendsthroughout the year.
Our next big event there is uhNovember uh 15th.
So you'll purchase tickets onour website, you'll come out,
(06:44):
um, you'll meet Steve, you'llmeet the whole crew.
We've got about 30 souls intotal.
We're in um there's there's athere's an Illinois chapter,
there's a St.
Louis chapter, there's a Memphischapter, there's a Kansas City
chapter.
Um, because there's KCK.
So we have guys in Kansas andstuff too, and then we have
people in Memphis, Tennessee aswell.
So we run events in all thoselocations.
Um, and how it works is thebasically the souls teach you
(07:06):
how to ghost hunt correctly.
Um, and then we have affiliateteams.
So he's spooky dookie.
That's how we found him.
And then he has his own littleprivate team that he was doing,
and then we liked him so muchthat we're like, we really want
him to be a soul, but he gets tokeep like spooky dookie.
He still can do his things withhis friends, they can still
investigate.
He's just an affiliate, but nowhe's a soul with us, so he'll
(07:26):
run the events, he'll teach youhow to ghost hunt.
SPEAKER_04 (07:28):
So there's an actual way to ghost hunt.
Yes.
Sponky Bunky over here will getmaze out.
He thought we could go find onewhen we stayed at the Elms
Hotel.
SPEAKER_03 (07:36):
Oh, Elms is Elms, yes.
SPEAKER_04 (07:38):
He's like, let's go for one.
SPEAKER_03 (07:40):
Um down where there's supposed to be a
floating body because theywhacked them, remember?
That's right, right?
Al Capone and those guys tookthem out.
Yeah, and so I'm like down thereand I'm talking.
SPEAKER_04 (07:50):
And you know what?
Hey, I go, I don't want to bringanybody home with us.
Let's go back upstairs, okay?
SPEAKER_01 (07:55):
We absolutely love the Elms.
They do some of the best ghosttours too.
Really?
Um, yeah, you can actually buy aghost tour with your hotel room,
and they do phenomenal ghosttours in that building.
And it's got such a greathistory with Jack Dorsey and
just everything with the pooldownstairs and just an amazing
uh collection right there inExcelsior Springs, which is such
an eerie type of town inMissouri League.
(08:16):
And it's starting to come back,which is really nice.
It's starting to nicerestaurants are opening up there
with Elms.
I think Elms is trying to bringit back a little bit.
So, yeah, we we used to do theHall of Waters, which you guys
might be familiar with.
It's right outside.
It's literally you can walk toit from the Elms.
Um, they stopped doinginvestigations.
We're trying to get them to comeback next year and maybe have
the souls run it because we knowhow to run things correctly.
(08:38):
People trust us.
Um, when the people come out,they get to even if you've ghost
on it for 30 years.
I guarantee you'll learnsomething from a guy like Steve
or myself on differenttechniques.
We're always trying to add thescientific layer.
And the one thing that we areit's debunk or dishonor.
That's our thing, and that's howyou become.
That's a soul's way.
The soul's way is debunk ordishonor, which means if you
fake something, you're out.
(08:58):
Like, don't ever fake on ourteam and just don't do that.
It's not worth it.
We've got plenty of TikTokersdoing that.
Like, we really want to makethis something fun.
People, ghosts don't go homewith people.
Um, we get all that all thetime.
Because we have ways of teachingyou, so they won't.
You always have dominion overyour soul.
No one has possession of yoursoul but yourself.
Um, unless you invite thosethings into yourself, do you
(09:22):
have any problems?
SPEAKER_03 (09:23):
So, how do we talk?
Let's talk exorcist then.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (09:26):
You're talking to the right guy.
That's I was gonna say that'sall frankly.
SPEAKER_03 (09:29):
Did they invite them in?
SPEAKER_01 (09:31):
Absolutely.
So I've been on 17 deliveranceteams with the Catholic Church.
Uh so I've done 17 of them uhwith the affiliate out of the
Roman Catholic Church of St.
Michael in Miami, Florida, whichis a Roman Catholic Church.
SPEAKER_04 (09:42):
When you say someone invites them in, I mean I don't
want any of us to see it, butwhat does that mean then?
Do you realize you're not doingit, or is it by doing seances or
Ouija boards, stuff like that?
SPEAKER_01 (09:54):
You're on the right, you're on the right measure now.
So we have we have differentdevices that we use, and and
Steve can talk more to the Estesmethods and stuff like that,
where most of the questions thatwe're asking these disembodied
um individuals um is the yes orno questions.
We're not asking anything ofthem.
The problem with the seances isthat an auja board or table
(10:16):
tipping, anytime or tarot cards,you are table tipping, so we'll
have to that on the right.
So you're you're askingsomething from another realm to
help you with something.
SPEAKER_05 (10:27):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (10:27):
So just like in life, so in death, if you ask
for a favor, you need to returnone.
And so that's the problem,that's the invitation part.
If you start asking questions,if you start asking for your
future, if you start doing thesestances where you're inviting
these things into your body,into your vessel, that is when
you start getting into bigproblems.
That's when you start dealingwith the demonic, which in the
(10:47):
cases that I worked, I would saymaybe one was really eerie to
me, the rest were nervousconditions.
Um, my cousins was a priest aswell that dealt with exorcisms
with the Holy Catholic Church,which is the only church
denomination that actually canperform exorcisms.
And I've gone toe-to-toe withLutherans and non-denominational
Christians.
They just don't have the rightways to battle with it.
(11:11):
The Catholic Church invented it.
Um, we're the ones that havefought it our whole lives
through the crusades and dealingwith demonic entities and the
entire run of the CatholicChurch, which is why it always
defaults to the Catholics.
Even if the Lutherans try or allthese other types of pastors try
to do it, it always comes backthat we got to bring a priest in
here that specializes in it.
(11:32):
It's a very different walk for apriest.
You'll never ever know who thewho the exorcist is in your
church.
They are hidden by thearchdiocese.
You'll never know.
Why is it like no other priestor preacher or because it's a
sacrament.
It's it's the sacrament ofChrist.
Remember that, like after youget a little religious here, and
and you know, to any viewer, oneof the things about the souls is
(11:53):
that we're open to anybody'sreligion and we're very
accepting of everybody'sreligion and what their beliefs
in.
If they want to do seances, ifthey want to do Ouija boards,
we're totally fine with that.
You just won't do it on ourwatch.
They can't come to our locationswith that stuff, and we don't do
that stuff, we just don'tbecause of the repercussions of
other people getting in thereand not doing things correctly.
The reason why the CatholicChurch owns the rights to it is
because it's a sacrament, it'ssomething that's been handed
(12:15):
down for generations, and theyhave the most information, the
most knowledge.
So think of software, right?
There's a reason why softwaredevelopers use a certain
language, it's because there'sdocumentation.
Right?
They're not going to trust thenew software because it's brand
new.
They're going to trust thesoftware with the most
documentation.
It's the same with theexorcisms.
We have the most documentedcases, we've dealt with them
(12:37):
forever.
And the way that exorcism worksis very different than what most
people and what Hollywood triesto portray.
It's usually wrong.
The actual rite or ritual ofexorcism, which there's two,
it's 20 pages long.
That's it.
After that, did you hear that?
SPEAKER_04 (12:54):
You said that's it.
That sounds like a lot.
SPEAKER_01 (12:57):
Well, after that, when I've the average exorcism
lasts anywhere from seven tosixteen hours, but it's not
over.
It's called the residualhaunting after.
SPEAKER_04 (13:05):
So there's this there's That's why there was
exorcists one, two, three, andfour.
SPEAKER_01 (13:08):
Yeah.
Yeah, you always there's alwaysan old one and a new one.
There's always an old one and ayoung one.
Um, just in case the other onepasses.
So you always have a backuppriest.
Um, you know, exorcisms are uhthey're a very interesting
subject matter amongst a lot ofdifferent people.
I mean, a lot of people havegravitated toward clickbait.
Um, and although people have theright thing in mind of having
(13:31):
dominion over your soul andunderstanding what that means
from Christ's standpoint, itdoesn't necessarily mean that
you can battle this thing alone.
You've invited it in, but you'regonna need people to get it out.
SPEAKER_05 (13:41):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (13:41):
And it could take months, it could take years, and
that's what the movies neverportray.
People that were once possessedcan be possessed again by the
same spirit.
If it's not bound to the crossof Christ, which is why saging
and all that stuff doesn't work,because it needs to go
somewhere.
Which is why one of the biggestcontroversies that I bring to
the team is like I don't believein haunted objects or dolls
because I'm a demon ontologist.
(14:02):
I study the origin of demons.
SPEAKER_04 (14:04):
What about that doll?
Um Annabelle, and everybody andthe church burns down what she's
at, and the dye.
SPEAKER_01 (14:16):
Um it I think that there's manifestations.
I think that um we're we'rewe're now very good friends with
the team that was running withAnnabelle.
Uh we we had our controversiesin the past, but um that that
particular team, the the Nesperteam, which is Tony Sperra and
Judy Sperra, which owned therights.
Well, they sold the rights forfive years to Matt Reif.
SPEAKER_03 (14:39):
We saw that.
SPEAKER_01 (14:39):
Yeah.
So Elton bought the house or thecottage.
Um, you know, I've I'veinterviewed people that were
ex-Nesper's members.
You know, there's something tothe Annabelle doll, but I
believe what we would call anegregore or an elemental or a
crawler, which is somethingthat's manifested by ourselves.
So we're bringing in negativeenergy to it.
We're so it think about when youbring things into yourself,
(15:00):
right?
If you think negative thoughts,negative things are gonna
happen.
If you think positive thoughts,positive things are gonna
happen.
It's proven, right?
You don't want to be a negativeNancy, right?
Because your job looks at youlike a cancer.
You want to be the positiveperson that's trying to bring
positivity to people that areworking around you.
It's the same thing with theparanormal.
It's what you get what you putinto it.
And Dan always says that in thebeginning of the night.
Um, uh, he always says, What youget what you put into it.
(15:22):
So if you're talking to thesespirits, if you're trying to
understand what these spiritsneed or want, and that maybe you
can have a conversation or uhcommit to dialogue with them,
that's great.
But the one thing you shouldnever ask is, you know, make me
rich, make me make me amillionaire, make me, you know,
give me powers, uh, make me dothese things.
Therefore, what you wish for.
Right.
Right.
SPEAKER_04 (15:41):
Is that that's wishmaster, right?
Is an affirmation when you'resaying things or in your prayers
or whatever, right?
SPEAKER_03 (15:48):
Or you No affirmations are different
because you're sitting theresaying, I am wealthy, I am a
magnet.
I'm you're not bringing anybodyelse into it.
You're you're it's yourself.
You're manifesting.
SPEAKER_04 (16:00):
What about watching scary movies in your house and
opening your door to scarythings?
Is that opening doors to things?
Like I won't let I've never letmy daughters watch The Exorcist
in our house.
Like I didn't even want thatenergy in our home.
SPEAKER_02 (16:13):
But I do watch scary movies.
Um, no, I don't think it opensthe door.
I think it's strictly forentertainment purposes.
I mean, I don't I don't buy toomuch into that.
Okay.
That's just my personal beliefon that.
SPEAKER_03 (16:24):
One thing, it's a man-made movie you're watching,
it's not an act of movies.
Well, some of them are truestories, some of them are based
on true stories, sorry.
SPEAKER_02 (16:31):
And it's and and in my opinion, again, it's loosely
based on on true stories.
I mean, every every lie has abit of truth to it.
SPEAKER_03 (16:38):
So funky one the other day.
Right.
SPEAKER_04 (16:41):
So that's the one we turned off and we didn't watch
it.
It was so bad.
So, what about like when my mompassed, the light in my closet
was blinking for quite sometime.
Stopped.
My brother just passed inAugust, and my light is blinking
in my closet again, which I wasteasing.
I was like, okay, Mark, I'mgetting undressed.
(17:03):
This is creepier, my brother,um, and teasing or whatever, but
it didn't scare me, but it waskind of weird in the downstairs
light.
Yeah.
Um, and you didn't change thebulbs, right?
It and it just stopped.
Is it just something strange inmy head, or can they use light
for a moment before they crossover, or do you believe they
stay for a while?
And what's the differencebetween an angelic moment and
(17:26):
you know, something that youknow is demonic?
SPEAKER_01 (17:29):
Um, there's a lot to impact there.
No, you're fine.
There's a there's a lot toimpact there.
I mean, Steve, I think that youknow, Steve has had more
experiences than I have.
I'm very guarded, I'm veryblocked because of my belief
system.
Okay.
Um, I mean, the exorcistquestion, watching scary movies,
does that open up an invitation?
The Catholic Church would sayyes, it can be an invitation to
(17:50):
the dark.
Um, however, to Steve's point,they're man-made.
Most exorcism movies get itwrong.
The exorcist film, however, getsa lot right.
And that is what's scary aboutthat film.
SPEAKER_04 (18:05):
It gets in your head.
SPEAKER_01 (18:06):
It does get in your head.
It can manifest things, and anda lot of kids out outside of
that film, it was one of thehighest circuits of one of the
reasons why the Catholic Churchhides the Exorcist is because so
many kids and so many peoplethought they were possessed
after that movie.
SPEAKER_05 (18:21):
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_01 (18:21):
That they literally had to, they were getting
inundated.
The the the rectories weregetting inundated with phone
calls, and and then you'retrying to, you know, figure out
which one's real and what's not.
The Catholic Church wants tohelp you, but you know, there
are things that you need to lookfor as investigators into that
type of demonic force.
There's things that priests lookfor.
The exorcist will look for whenhe they're the biggest skeptic
(18:44):
in the room.
SPEAKER_04 (18:44):
Sure.
SPEAKER_01 (18:45):
Um, never forget that.
SPEAKER_04 (18:46):
It's good to know.
SPEAKER_01 (18:47):
Very, yeah.
They they are very, veryskeptical.
They're the they're they're justa they're cut differently than
most priests.
Um, they've dealt with stuffmostly in the third world.
Doesn't happen in the firstworld.
Um, and then what was the otherpoint?
SPEAKER_04 (19:01):
Yeah, that one of the other questions you had was
uh, you know, the differencebetween like me seeing my light
flickering after a loved one.
Is there time before they do youyou know, I don't know what your
belief is, but crossover thatmakes that a different type of
energy force to a demonic force?
Is that was that someone who wasbad one time, or is it just bad
energy?
SPEAKER_02 (19:23):
I mean, not that we know because your beliefs are,
your belief system and how youbelieve.
Um, you know, I mean, the theinvestigator size says, is it
faulty electric?
You know, is your is your wireloose?
Is it a bad light bulb?
I mean, could it belegitimately?
I mean, they can uh spirits areknown to interact uh by messing
with lights.
(19:43):
I mean, they they have theenergy to do that, they can draw
energy from that light um tomanipulate them.
Um it is a possibility.
Uh, and I do believe that thereare certain spirits.
Do I believe that they're alldemons?
No, but that's my personal mypersonal opinion.
SPEAKER_04 (19:58):
Say spirits, are we talking that they're the
afterlife of being here?
SPEAKER_02 (20:02):
Disembodied.
Disembodied, yes.
Okay.
So yeah, I do believe that,yeah, they can definitely
manipulate things.
If they want you to know thatthey're there watching over you,
I think it's a way that theyreach out.
Um, I had a buddy that I servedin a Marine Corps with uh that
lost his battle to PTSD.
And uh I think he reaches outquite a bit.
SPEAKER_04 (20:19):
And still so there's not like a time limit, maybe
that they're here, that theymight be here.
You know, you you want to hopethat your loved one goes
someplace else.
It's really wonderful, right?
We all want to believe thatthere's a heaven and somewhere
special for after being here.
Um, so it's it kind of it waslike comforting to know that
possibly my mom was there for awhile or my brother's there for
(20:41):
a while, but at the same time,you don't want them stuck here,
you don't want them here.
Oh, yeah.
And is that what your job doesis to to debunk or to find if
it's real.
And if it is real, is there doyou get rid of them?
Does someone get rid of them?
SPEAKER_01 (20:55):
So it um as in life, I have so many questions.
SPEAKER_04 (20:57):
No, no, no, you're like I'm like my heart's racing
right now talking about this.
SPEAKER_01 (21:01):
So as in life, so in death.
I I believe that if you believein the in the biblical text of
free will, I don't think thatchanges in death.
I I think that sometimes momsand brothers and friends they
hang around a bit just to makesure that the people that
they're leaving are okay.
And they want you to know thatthey're okay so they can
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transition on.
Um, and I think that's a part ofthat humanity, the human element
that comes out in a lot of theghost hunting that we don't talk
about on TV and we don't talkabout in reality TV shows, is
that there is a real humanelement to the idea of
investigating the paranormal, isbecause are these people
trapped?
Are they stuck?
Do they need a way to find thelight?
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Do they need a way to makepenance or do they need closure?
Did something really bad happento them and they want people to
know that this person is stillalive and and and I was
murdered?
I wasn't just this wasn't justyou know a random death.
I think that we have thatability within each other.
I mean, thermodynamics provethat you cannot neither create
nor destroy energy.
So it goes somewhere.
SPEAKER_03 (22:03):
That's a really uh powerful statement you just
said.
SPEAKER_01 (22:06):
Yeah, so it's it it energy is here, your energy
that's interesting.
SPEAKER_03 (22:09):
That's interesting for the non-believer who thinks
we just die and we're done.
SPEAKER_01 (22:12):
Yeah, that's the most faith-based religion is the
atheist.
To really believe that nothingis there, that takes a lot of
faith.
It takes a lot of faith.
SPEAKER_04 (22:24):
Wow.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (22:26):
Because there's there's more into the paranormal
than there is into the darkness.
I mean, but I also believe thatGod does harden people's hearts.
He does say it multiple times.
He hardens people's hearts.
So it's a pharaoh.
Yeah, that's right.
And that's right.
And the more that you believeand you buy into that, then he's
gonna give it to you.
It's the same with beinghabitual with alcoholism, with
drug addiction, the more you buyinto that.
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But you see these beautifulstories of what so many great
people are doing.
I mean, Mark Wahlberg, andthere's people that are just
doing this stuff with Halo andtrying to get people to come
back to God, come back to thechurch.
And some of my team is they'rethey're they're believers,
they're agnostic, but they'renot all Catholics, they're not
all Christians.
But the fact that what they'redoing and and how they're
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believing in things is in apositive way, I can't find fault
in that.
You'd be surprised how manytimes you're actually talking to
a ghost, been around a ghost,and didn't even know it was a
ghost.
SPEAKER_05 (23:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (23:17):
It happened to my mother in in uh in a we were in
Charleston, South Carolina, andwe went up to a restaurant
called Pugan's Porch becauseit's notorious for having a
haunted dog, and I'm a huge doglover, and so is my family.
So we wanted to go to therestaurant with the haunted dog.
Well, my mom walks in and she'sand the lady is like, How can I
help you, ma'am?
And she's like, Well, we have aparty of four, and she's like,
Okay.
And then the lady goes upstairs,and then my mom's Italian, and
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she's like, My phone goes,what's she going?
What'd she want?
I don't want to go upstairs.
I don't want a room, I want atable, you know.
So she comes out, she goes out,and there's some baddie woman in
there.
And so I want my mom's fromPhilly, she's very, very
hardcore.
But um, so I walked in and I'mlike, I'm just we we just met
somebody, we're supposed to havea table, and she's like, I'm I'm
the only one working today,unless she talked to a waiter.
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I'm like, no, she was standingright here.
My mom's like, yeah, she had ashe had a bun on her head in the
black dress.
And then the owner behind herwas like, Did she look like
this?
And they showed us a picture.
She's like, Yeah, her.
And then that's the ghost thatbasically does that.
She also appears in the mirrorsupstairs.
SPEAKER_04 (24:16):
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So, back to paranormal.
We have with us Frankie Cambo,Cambaletti, that is, and Stephen
Drews with the Haunted SoulsParanormal Investigation.
We have been talking so muchabout I can't quit talking.
I can't wait to sit down withyou guys again.
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What inspired you to want to doto even begin to do something
like this?
To me, it's terrifying.
To you, does it bring you anyfear ever?
And why did you get started?
Uh your mom probably goes likethis.
SPEAKER_01 (25:51):
Yeah.
My mom, my mom was one of thereasons why I'm actually into
it.
My mom was very into it, she'sstill not as much.
I mean, she's older now, butwhen she was younger and I was
younger, we loved going to thegraveyards and going ghost
hunting.
And my mom was very open to itas well.
I mean, we had a lot of friendsof the clergy in my in my house.
I even at one point wanted to bea priest.
And and uh yeah, and I'm tryingto go through the uh the
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deaconies right now, through thearchdiocese right now to be a
deacon.
So I have to be married forthree years, but um, and I just
finished one year this nextweek.
So got one year of Mary GeneralBelt, and two more years I can
be a deacon.
So that's what I'm trying to dowith the Catholic Church.
I still want to give back and Iand stuff like that.
But for me, it was always aboutum, you know, we had a run-in
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with a Ouija board when I was akid, and I never forgot that.
And that's how I know the stuffis real.
SPEAKER_04 (26:40):
I played with one too.
Am I okay?
It was a long time ago.
Second grade.
Am I okay?
SPEAKER_00 (26:45):
Might be a little late to act now.
SPEAKER_04 (26:48):
That's what's wrong with it.
SPEAKER_00 (26:49):
That is the most stubborn demon ever.
Right.
I was gonna say, I mean, I don'tI don't know that I'd change
anything.
That's what the demon wassaying.
SPEAKER_03 (26:57):
That demon comes out every once in a while.
SPEAKER_00 (26:59):
It's just for different children.
Yeah.
The boots are questionable, butI let her have it.
SPEAKER_01 (27:05):
Like that's like um, so we have to, yeah, and that's
the thing too.
I think that like when we hadthis experiment when I was a kid
with the Ouija board, I mean,things got very dark very fast,
and we had to bring a uh afather wren in, uh an actual
priest father came in, and and Iremember him saying, like, this
is not this is a board game.
This is you can't take this, youcan't do this.
It's not a board game.
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Like, and when he walked intothe house, you could see his
skepticism kind of wiped off hisface because it's Florida, it's
where I grew up.
I mean, the house is 60 degrees,it's 85 outside, and he's just
looking around like something'swrong.
Like it's just something off.
And you know, we went on to losetwo dogs mysteriously over that
whole event.
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Um, so there's something verydark about, but it also was
curious, it was also intriguingthat I wanted to explore it
more.
Um, I wasn't afraid because I'vealways had God, I've always had
him on my side.
Um, and so when you go intothose dark places, when you go
into there, I mean, you know,people, we were just at Missouri
State Penitentiary in D3, and Iwalked down there by myself five
(28:09):
times.
I I you have this to be a soul,to to represent our colors, our
team, our our cuts, it showsthat your bravery is over your
heart.
SPEAKER_04 (28:18):
So I'll never make it on your team.
SPEAKER_01 (28:20):
You have to do lonely walks.
You have to, you know, to be asoul, it's a 16-week program.
There's a whole standardoperating procedures, there's
there's the ways that we go suntversus other teams don't go
sunt.
Every soul on my team has donetheir lonely walks, which
basically means they got toinvestigate by themselves in
some of the most haunted places.
Um, and you got to earn thatcourage because it shows us that
you can go and get a personthat's freaked out, you can go
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and get equipment that somebodyleft behind by yourself, um,
where you don't need the wholecrew to go.
And so that has always been likehow I started in it.
And I started at 17 years old.
So 12, 13 years old, that thinghappened with the Ouija board.
And then I got back into it whenI was 17 years old, and then I
was basically a soloinvestigator.
You know, back then we didn'thave phones and stuff like that.
We had to use our gut, we had touse flashlights, you know, we
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had high eights and you know,that were you know infrared kind
of.
And that's the that's the bestpiece of equipment is your gut,
though.
Right.
And that's where I'm still at.
To this day, I uh you know,people say, Well, you bring in
equipment with you, and I got myflashlight.
I'm uh I'm good.
A body cam.
I'll always carry body cam withme, a little IR.
In case I do get something,it'll be on camera.
But I don't really get into alot of the stuff, but but we
offer it.
SPEAKER_04 (29:25):
And I think that's what happens as kids.
You watch scary movies, right?
Remember that thing you used tostare in the mirror and you'd
say this thing over and over,and apparently you're supposed
to see things.
I mean, there's crazy things.
SPEAKER_01 (29:35):
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_04 (29:37):
You don't realize what's going on.
SPEAKER_01 (29:38):
Bloody Mary.
SPEAKER_04 (29:39):
Yes, Bloody Mary, that was the one.
So I mean, all those things youdo as a kid, you just want to be
afraid and just give us a board,light as a feather.
And then you try to do thosethings where you can you know
put the fingers under.
I mean, so many stupid things,you know, opening the door
possibly to you know, to to badthings out there like that.
Are you ever afraid?
You're not afraid, you said.
Even as a kid, you weren'tafraid when that I think when
the Ouija board.
SPEAKER_01 (30:00):
Stuff was happening, it was very scary, and we were,
yes.
I I I had never in my life hadseen that many shadow people.
Like you would just run by yourface.
Like you would just be sittingon the couch and all of a sudden
you'll see.
SPEAKER_04 (30:12):
I don't think I've ever leaned this forward over
when I'm talking to say I'mliterally about to come out of
my seat.
SPEAKER_01 (30:16):
But I mean, I think that's some of the things on
camera.
Yeah, some of the things theconjuring gets right, some of
the things that Blumhouse, we'revery good friends with
Blumhouse.
I've got a very good friend thatworks there.
Some of the stuff that they getright is the shadow people.
Some of the stuff that they getright in their films.
SPEAKER_03 (30:30):
That's stuff people, somebody you like you, you think
you saw something out of thecorner of your eye.
SPEAKER_01 (30:35):
It depends on what the motive is for the shadow
person.
If if a lot of times the demonicappear black, but it's not
always evil when they're blackall in all in shadow.
It's a revealing thing.
Um, I also believe it hassomething to do with the energy,
how much energy they have.
Because some can, like thepicture you showed me, that's a
full manifestation.
(30:55):
That's the holy grail.
I mean, that's what every ghosthunter wants in their pocket is
the idea that they saw afull-bodied apparition.
In most cases, when you seepictures like that, it happens
when you're not investigating.
You guys were never those peoplewere never intending to capture
picture of a loved one.
SPEAKER_04 (31:09):
That was taking the pictures of the kids with their
presence.
SPEAKER_01 (31:11):
And that's when you the best pictures are always
taken.
SPEAKER_04 (31:14):
That was just probably only maybe a week
after.
SPEAKER_01 (31:18):
Yeah, I mean, when the Warrens captured the kid in
the Amienville house, right?
The child that had just died, itwas very fresh.
Uh the Lutz family had moved in,they had gone and done an
investigation after Lutz hasmoved out after 28 days, which
is why you get 28 days haunted,which is where all that stuff
comes from, is because of theAmmyaville, a horror in Long
Island.
So, you know, there's there's alot of history that builds.
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There's a lot of like, you know,the three o'clock witching hour.
It's actually not the witchinghour.
What is it's um it's actually uhit's 5 a.m.
Uh it's not three a.m.
SPEAKER_03 (31:49):
I don't like to get out of here.
I know I read all these thingsabout the best time to pray is
between three and five becausethat's when you're fighting the
enemy.
That's right.
The enemy is between three andfive.
That's right.
And so as you're praying, that'swhen you're gonna feel more of
the spirit, whether it's God orthe evil spirit.
That's right.
But as long God will alwaysprevail.
SPEAKER_01 (32:07):
A hundred percent.
SPEAKER_03 (32:07):
God will always prevail.
So there's where your faithcomes in, where you can't be
afraid, whether you're walkingdown a a a hallway.
We just went to uh uh um SanFrancisco.
We went to um oh my gosh, Ican't even think of it.
Alcatraz.
Alcatraz.
That was very haunting monster.
SPEAKER_02 (32:23):
Very haunting.
I would love to get out there.
SPEAKER_03 (32:25):
We went to Alcatraz.
Um, so that was fun, and therewere thousands and I mean
millions of flies.
Not thousands, millions,millions of flies everywhere.
There was hundreds on me while Iwas sitting there.
Everyone, and they're trying toblame it on some type of bird
thing.
And I'm like, right, you knowwhat?
I remember anime amenable whore,there was flies everywhere too.
I go, I'm thinking it's just theevilness that's in this place.
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It's very true.
SPEAKER_04 (32:48):
And it could have felt like being there.
In fact, I'd never I don't wantto go back.
SPEAKER_03 (32:51):
Pestilence.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (32:53):
Okay.
Oh, yes.
Okay.
What about the um I have friendsthat you know that had like
angel cards where you say aprayer and you look at the angel
cards and it it's kind oftelling you it'll it'll it's
almost crazy how to pop up thecard that's kind of going on in
your life.
Is that considered opening yoursoul as well?
SPEAKER_01 (33:14):
So angels are a very controversial subject.
Okay.
Um, especially when you'retalking to somebody like me
who's an ontologist.
Angels do not interfere withman's work.
It is very clear in the Biblemultiple times.
Uh, most of the angels that youread of are not even in the
non-denominational Bible,they're in the our book.
So the Catholics have more booksthan non-denominational
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Christians.
Non-denominational Christianshover right around 66 books.
The Catholic Bible, the actualcanon law, hovers right around
74, 76.
You can get two different ones.
Um, most of the angels in thatare from the book of Tobit and
the Book of Enoch.
So both of those have been nowEnoch's been removed even from
the Catholic religion.
Uh, and there's a reason forthat.
SPEAKER_05 (33:56):
How do you remove a book?
SPEAKER_01 (33:57):
Yeah, so they removed it because of the what
it what Enoch was able to giveaway.
The reason why most ontologistsand people that study Semitic
languages believe that Enoch wasan actual book in the Bible at
one point is because it wasfound in the Dead Sea Scrolls,
verbatim.
Um the reason why it's removedis because it gives too much
away of the of the kingdom, andthey didn't want people to go
(34:19):
down the wrong paths.
The problem with angels is thatif angels appeared to man, you
you get into a bad scenariowhere you have people praying to
those types of things.
SPEAKER_05 (34:29):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (34:29):
Angels know this.
This is how they fell, isbecause they were guardians.
They're in Enoch, they'reconsidered the guardians.
They were angels, and they fellto the love and the prettiness
and the beauty of women.
And so with them, they made itwith the children of men, and
they had the Nepha.
SPEAKER_03 (34:46):
Back in Noah's day, correct.
SPEAKER_01 (34:48):
So Enoch is Noah's grandfather.
Um, so he was a very holy man aswell.
A lot of people don't know thelineage there.
When you talk about angels,angels do not work for anyone
but God.
However, in Psalm 82, it isclear that you have dominion
over angels.
SPEAKER_03 (35:05):
We are greater than angels.
SPEAKER_01 (35:07):
Correct.
And some angels didn't likethat.
And that's why you had to splitamongst the tribe.
They are still part of thedivine realm.
Even demons are still part ofthe divine realm, and they still
have Erepentis, which means thatthey can move wherever they
want, they can go wherever theywant, they can be wherever they
want.
The difference between angelsand the Elohim, which would be
Yahweh God, is that they canneither destroy God, um, they
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can't, they can't fight God,right?
But they and they're notomniscient, which means they
can't be in all places at alltimes, right?
It's just when you call uponthem, this is where the
invitation comes from.
But it's the same with angels.
Some people believe in the 72lesser keys of Solomon, which
basically believe that this ideathat somehow Solomon could
control angels and demons, whichis why he lived with a thousand
(35:50):
years and built empires.
Is there truth to that?
Well, you if you look at theBible as a supernatural book,
then yes, there could be truthto that.
Uh Dr.
Michael Hauser, right, a lyserwrote a lot about this before
his death in 2023 in a bookcalled Angels, but he's very
clear on what angels represent,right?
There's Raphael, there'sMichael, which is the most I
(36:13):
mean, this guy can blow awayearth with a with a with a
whisper.
I mean, they know, and there'sthe messenger, Gabriel, and
there's Raphim, which not a lotof people talk about because
he's in Tobit.
They're destructors.
They do God's will.
And they will never appear toanyone.
Angels do not appear to man.
They've made that promise sincethe fall.
They do not.
You cannot pray.
SPEAKER_03 (36:34):
What about the by when the book of the Bible where
it tells us we have beenentertained by angels?
SPEAKER_01 (36:38):
So it's an interesting, it's an interesting
uh dialect, and I've alwaystried to get to the the bottom
of that Semitic text and whatthey were meaning by that.
The original Bible is actuallywritten in Greek.
It's the it's the it's theancient Greek, the cohen.
And so when you when you read itthere, it it doesn't translate
that way.
Um, so I believe what they meanis that like the one thing that
(36:59):
I would tell people that withangel cards is the manifestation
of artists, right?
These people make these angelslook beautiful.
Angels are not beautiful.
In every part in the Bible whereyou have people that have faced
a demon, it's the same thing.
The angel says the same exactthing.
They say, be not afraid.
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Because they know how they wouldlook to human eyes.
We don't have the persect, wedon't have the precepts in our
eyeballs, the cones in our eyesto see as many colors are there.
We don't have the force, nothingto see what actually is in there
beyond the divine realm.
That's why the apostles didn'trecognize Jesus.
A hundred percent.
Yeah, yes, because he was in adivine form, right?
That's why you have doubtingThomas.
(37:40):
So when you read the book as asupernatural book, then the
Bible starts to make sensebecause everything starts to add
up.
In the case of angels, angels donot make their presence known to
anyone.
It's not that it's a gimmick,it's that people are misled.
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (37:55):
So are those ghosts that we're entertained by
sometimes?
Because my mom, when my fatherpassed away, my mom was sitting
in a car.
It was like a couple weeks afterhe passed away, and out of
nowhere, this man came up andsaid she was upset.
And out of nowhere, sitting inher car, this man comes up,
gives her a rose, sayseverything's gonna be all right.
She turned around and he wasgone.
SPEAKER_01 (38:13):
So that could have been an angel, right?
Because God sends angels, He Hesends messengers, He He does
those things, right?
There are seven arts.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (38:23):
She's got a hot line to God.
She's that five people.
SPEAKER_01 (38:26):
Yeah, and sometimes you do have that beautiful, and
the non-denominationalChristians do a great job of
having that built-in personalrelationship with Christ.
My child, my own daughter, wasafraid to tell me that she was
gonna be baptized.
So her mother called me andsaid, Hey, Sienna's been wanting
to tell you this for a while,and like it's it's just really
hard for her.
I'm like, why?
And I'm like, Well, you knowwhat?
(38:47):
Let my daughter tell me.
And she told me, she's like,Dad, um, I want to be baptized
with my friends.
And I'm like, that's awesome.
When is it?
And she's like, You're not mad?
I'm like, no, you could havetold me you're gonna be a
Wiccan.
Then we would have had someproblems, you know.
She was, but she chose the pathof non-denating Christian, which
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they do a great job at music,they do a great job at healing,
they do a great job atprofessing and love and proverb.
And a lot of people know a lotof people that are in the
non-denominational realm, theyknow their Bible more than
Catholics do.
Um, don't be dependent upon theword, right?
Like that's what one of thethings about like the Catholic
religion, you know, we we readout of a mesolette, you know,
but you're always encouraged toread the Bible.
(39:29):
But it's always it's always agood thing to have somebody that
knows the knowledge of the Biblebecause because the Bible in and
of itself can mislead people,right?
That's how we got the Mormons.
SPEAKER_03 (39:38):
So it's like we have we have a lot of and not going
back and reading the originaltext and very important, also
taking things out of context.
So many times religiously takethings out of context, and it's
like they're not really lookingat why this verse was written
and who it was going to and whoit was talked to at the time
that it was written.
SPEAKER_01 (39:57):
Yeah, and that's how you get that's how you get
cults.
Yeah, right.
You have that's how you get, youknow, people just misinterpret
it.
They don't the ontology part ofthe Bible is is the most
important part, and for me it'sthe most fun part to look at the
Semitic text and look at like,did he mean it that way?
Is that is that what he meant bythat?
Because, you know, you couldthere's another story here, but
you're probably gonna have towrap it up.
Yeah, talk everywhere.
SPEAKER_04 (40:19):
When it comes to mediums, people that speak to
loved ones or think that theyare, uh, and they answer with
something that, you know, I knowthere's a lot of people out
there that's been found to befalse, but there's some that
seem to hit right on the line.
Right.
Um and again, uh they speak intothe energy force of that loved
one, or is it a different energythat knows the answer?
I mean, those are all scarythings that you probably
(40:40):
shouldn't mess with.
Is that right?
SPEAKER_01 (40:42):
Uh mediums, I mean, like I said, I I'm one of the
religious ones in the team.
There's no necromancers, thereare very, very real mediums.
There are people that cancommunicate with the dead.
SPEAKER_04 (40:52):
The brain has the ability, it's moreowing it.
They're open to it.
SPEAKER_01 (40:56):
The team tells us not to be right, be engaged with
mediums.
Be engaged and be open to thescience.
SPEAKER_04 (41:02):
I've done that before, you know, and they were
right on.
Some of the things they saidwere very, very scary that they
were sawing.
And I think it's a good thing.
SPEAKER_01 (41:08):
Once again, you've you've called that.
You've called that to yourself,which means, and that's what we
look for in exorcism.
The do they have the known?
The known is the most deadliestleg of the exorcism.
That's what they look like inthe child.
And what the known is, is thatif you bring in a 68-year-old
priest that's been practicingand has been an exorcist for 30
years, and there's asix-year-old there that is
basically possessed by a demonthat's been around for 30,000
(41:30):
years, and he looks at thepriest and says, I know you.
We've met before.
You didn't bind me as much asyou thought you bound me.
Isn't that right, Father Paul?
Or should I call you Michael?
And that was the one I was in inHaiti.
SPEAKER_04 (41:43):
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_01 (41:43):
And this kid did not speak English.
He was Haitian, he spoke Creole.
Kid spoke perfect English to thepriests.
SPEAKER_04 (41:48):
That's not terrifying to you.
That doesn't horrify.
SPEAKER_00 (41:51):
It was like, all right, well, if this ain't a
set, right.
This might be real, but let's uhlet's wrap this up.
Let's get this guy to go.
He's a six-year-old speakingEnglish right now.
SPEAKER_01 (42:04):
And you're not, I'm just a holder.
I'm not supposed to even look atthe thing, you know, because you
can make eye contact.
Right.
It it was very creepy.
SPEAKER_04 (42:11):
Because I have up until that point I had done like
15 and I was like, yeah, this ismy head is super heavy right
now, like listening to all thequestions, you know, the things
coming in in the mind.
And you know, like when you'resitting there and a song will
come through your mind that youhaven't heard in 30 years, or
maybe, and you know it word forword, and you're like, what the
you feel like who's saying wheredid that come from?
It doesn't even make sense thatit came through.
SPEAKER_01 (42:32):
I do want to put a bow, uh close a loop though.
Mediums, uh, there's a beautifulmedium up in Hannibal named
Brittany Buckwalter.
She is in the light, she doesnot do anything dark, she
doesn't ask anything of it.
It's a gift that she has.
She always, and there's a lot ofmediums that play in the light.
They don't play in the dark.
It's okay because it's a giftthat God had given them, right?
(42:53):
It's it's it's it's it's forbait, it's for witnessing.
So there, I mean, some people'stestimony is that it's insight,
it's clairvoyance.
I mean, it could be somethingvery good, but in most cases,
what she's dealing with ishelping people heal.
SPEAKER_05 (43:05):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (43:06):
And I think that that's okay, right?
Grieving and closure and thosetypes of things are okay.
Knowing that the person on theother side that passed is okay
makes us feel a lot better.
And sometimes those people canintercede and they can do the
things.
Yeah, I personally don't do itand won't do it because of my
religion, but it doesn't meanthat it's not true.
I think there's a lot of peopletrying to make money off
(43:27):
everything.
I mean, the biggest thing isTikTok, man, with these fake,
you know, ghost hunters.
SPEAKER_04 (43:32):
Oh, I bet.
Now we gotta know what tobelieve.
SPEAKER_01 (43:36):
Yeah, I don't know what's terrifying.
SPEAKER_04 (43:37):
So we've got a minute here.
I need so first of all, you needto let everybody know again,
remind them who you are, howthey can get a hold of you, and
what it is that you do.
SPEAKER_01 (43:48):
Uh hauntedsouls uh.com, that's souls with a Z.
It has all our investigations upthere.
Um, there are two numbers on thesite.
The 636 number goes directly toDan.
So if you need a privateinvestigation, if something is
going on in your house, we keepit private.
Your name is never released.
The files that we have go toyou, and we don't talk about it
publicly.
It does not go on our podcast.
It is a private investigation.
(44:09):
Uh, we did one last year with avery, very, very wealthy family
in St.
Louis, and they were having somevery crazy stuff happening into
one of their houses, and we wereable to clear that and and get
that out of there and find outwhat was going on, and it was
paranormal.
SPEAKER_04 (44:23):
You actually knew what was going on and know how
to get rid of it.
SPEAKER_01 (44:26):
Yes.
SPEAKER_04 (44:27):
And and being intuitive, is that an opening
when you feel like you can feeland see things more than other
people?
SPEAKER_01 (44:34):
Sure.
Gosh, that's when you get tohang out with guys like Steve,
they'll teach you how to go signand we have a blast.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (44:40):
I I I think I would be so terrified.
Like my head is seriously heavyright now, taking this all in.
I I believe it 100%.
I I there's no doubt in my mindwhat you do and what happens.
SPEAKER_02 (44:50):
It's okay to be nervous, it's human nature.
Yeah, because you just you'regoing in the downdo.
But when you have fun with it,make light, you know, things.
And uh a lot of times that'swhen we get the best responses
from things.
SPEAKER_04 (45:00):
I just gotta make sure when I'm asking for money
in my life, that's throughJesus.
Don't want to ask the wrongperson.
SPEAKER_01 (45:09):
If you put to the Father, but if you exactly, and
if you put the kingdom first,then God will grant you the
things that you wish.
That's biblical.
And so agree, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (45:18):
Uh Frankie Campbell, Campbelletti, and Stephen Drews,
uh paranormal experts.
Gosh, you're fascinating to talkto.
I wish we I can't wait to dothis again, actually.
I can't wait to do it again andlearn more and hear more what
you have to say.
But again, let everybody knowhow to get a hold of you again.
SPEAKER_01 (45:34):
HauntedSouls.com, souls with a Z, uh, come out to
one of our investigation sites.
Every place we have is basicallynon-demonic.
We I go through it personally, Icheck all the facilities first.
There are places we do notinvestigate, there are places
that we do not hold eventsbecause of that.
One of those is the Sally House.
My team and team members are notto ever ghost hunt there.
And if they do, they're to seeme before they come to one of my
(45:56):
events.
SPEAKER_04 (45:57):
Is that because you're bringing things to start
happening?
And that's very and that'sdemonic.
SPEAKER_01 (46:02):
The Sally House is demonic.
That's a very bad energy there.
There's nothing good to be foundin that house.
I know I know what happened toSally and Tony, uh, to Debbie
and Tony.
They're very good friends ofmine, and they have told me,
Frankie, do not go in thathouse.
SPEAKER_04 (46:15):
And you're not looking to bring things up.
And but if someone needs yourhelp, you will go there.
SPEAKER_01 (46:19):
We will.
We absolutely will.
We'll bring in the right peopletoo.
If we need priests, we'll bringpriests.
If we just need sage, we canbring those people too.
SPEAKER_04 (46:26):
Haunted Souls with a Z.
Haunted Souls, paranormalinvestigations.
Oh my gosh, Frankie and Steve,this was amazing.
Thank you so much for spendingtime with us.
I and again, I can't wait to sitdown and talk with you guys
more.
I it's just so you know, it'sit's it's it's the unknown.
Right.
SPEAKER_05 (46:43):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (46:43):
And and we want to know, you know, it's the
unknown.
So thank you for spending timewith us.
We appreciate it.
I'm so glad we did a story onyou as well.
We're gonna have to do it again.
SPEAKER_00 (46:51):
Absolutely.
I love talking to you guys.
Cheers.
SPEAKER_04 (46:54):
Awesome.
All right, here we go.
We're taking it out now.
The In Your City show at the LouInformation Station.
We hope you have a beautifulevening.
Do not open your soul to anyone,put the Ouija boards in the
trash and uh call it a day.
So until our next show.
Welcome to In Your City Show right here at the Lou
Information Station.
Put the LouInfo app on yourphone.
You can listen to the radioanywhere you want.
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And then, of course, we love ifyou can subscribe to the In Your
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Of course, LouInfo.com as well.
So we are back with anothergreat show.
Our last show was sensational.
Love meeting the prongers.
(00:51):
And today we're going to take itup a notch because Halloween is
right around around the corner.
I know you were out decoratingall day yesterday, making our
house.
In fact, our neighbor is notinto spooky things.
You sort of watched uh scarymovies.
How can that be possible?
That's like so much fun.
I mean, I watch it with my eyesclosed mostly the whole show,
(01:13):
but it's still the adrenalinerush is so fun.
SPEAKER_03 (01:16):
Tell me when it's over.
It's like, why are you watchingthis?
SPEAKER_04 (01:19):
I'm like, tell me when it's over.
That's what I say all the time.
Well, the gruesome stuff is whatskits me.
I jump with the scary stuff, butit's the gruesome stuff that I
can't watch.
I can't get it out of my head.
Now it's like, how gruesome canwe get?
Yeah, it's pretty gross.
It's kind of disgusting.
That's all those sick minds wegot out there watching it.
It was the one we watched theother night.
It was the one where we couldn'teven finish it because it was so
ridiculous.
SPEAKER_03 (01:39):
No, we did finish it.
Oh.
It was the one where she the oldlady brought the box and set it
down on the table.
That was scary.
Whoever got the box was likegoing around losing their mind
and wanting to kill people.
SPEAKER_04 (01:50):
Chop themselves themselves up as well.
But no, the other movie wecouldn't even finish because it
was just so ridiculously stupid.
It it was like, okay, this isjust dumb.
So normally we don't do that.
But Olive is a little afraid ofthe decorations.
She is.
SPEAKER_03 (02:03):
I got this.
SPEAKER_04 (02:03):
Is that sure she should eat it or run from it?
SPEAKER_03 (02:05):
I've got this tombstone that when you walk up
to it, out of the tombstonecomes this ghost and pops up and
we have a bulldog and they'retriggered.
And she was ready to kill it.
She's like, it was great.
SPEAKER_04 (02:16):
She's ready to take it down.
What do you got going on?
SPEAKER_03 (02:19):
Well, did you know that remarry there's a study out
about being remarried?
That study says two-thirds ofdivorcees remarry.
SPEAKER_04 (02:26):
It's because practice makes perfect.
Now, is that the divorcee thesecond time around or first
divorce?
Did they mention?
I don't know.
I don't know if it's I don'tknow if it's they say second
marriages don't always work.
SPEAKER_03 (02:36):
Right.
And then there's people that getmarried to the same person
again.
Yeah.
Yeah, I know someone did that.
That was really a bad idea.
Hey, do you know what theaverage lifespan of a baseball
is?
Never even thought of that.
Me neither, but apparently it'sseven pitches.
After seven pitches, they changeout the ball and give another
ball, put another ball in.
SPEAKER_04 (02:56):
So they have a shorter lifespan than reality TV
couples.
You're funny today.
I know.
I know.
I tell you all the time howfunny I am.
I one of these days you're gonnacatch on.
SPEAKER_03 (03:08):
I don't, I didn't read the study, but they say we
might finally be close to theera of flying cars.
I thought when I had this, okay,so I was born in 61, I'm old.
And I thought I thought when Iwas about 11 years old, you
know, we watched all everythingwas space.
Jetsons.
Everything was space, you know,to space odyssey 2001, all these
things.
The Jetsons, yeah.
(03:29):
I actually thought when the year2000 came, we would be flying in
cars, and we'd be stuck intraffic up in the sky.
SPEAKER_04 (03:36):
Yeah.
How do you have a traffic jam inthe sky though?
How do you even keep trafficgoing the right way?
Could you imagine?
Just road rage in the sky.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, it's a long floating.
SPEAKER_03 (03:58):
I don't think that's ever gonna happen.
It shouldn't.
Ever.
SPEAKER_04 (04:01):
You're starting to bore me now.
It's a little reading.
That's all I think I liked yourother ones.
Yeah, yeah.
These are not as good.
These are great news itemsthere.
Thank you for sharing.
I know.
Well, let's get to the showbecause we're some of my
favorite topics.
You know, a little bit of chillsright now and goosebumps as I
get quite often because FrankieCambo, it's Cambo.
(04:23):
Cambo Letty, but his stage nameis Cambo.
That's right.
So we we've got we've got himand Steven Drews with us of
Haunted Souls ParanormalInvestigations.
Um, wow.
So now this is also uh with yourum Haunted Garage podcast.
SPEAKER_01 (04:42):
So Haunted Garage is a it's a leg into the the full
company.
So Dan Klein, who's the otherowner of Haunted Souls, he
couldn't make it tonight.
Uh he got sick.
So, but Haunted Garage is JeremyKing's and myself.
And then we met Dan at Dan hadthe Haunted Souls paranormal
team.
So Haunted Garage wanted aparanormal team.
We basically bought into Dan'scompany.
(05:03):
And so me and Dan basically, Danhad found it um Haunted Souls in
2022, and then we came in thisyear, 2024.
SPEAKER_04 (05:11):
And we were talking earlier.
2025.
So we actually had you in ourmagazine and did a little story
on you too as well.
So cool.
I love it.
I love every time someone comesin, we're like, we've had you in
our magazine.
That's so exciting to know that.
Yeah.
You have ghost hunting gear?
SPEAKER_01 (05:24):
Yeah.
So how we what we what gearworks for the ghosts?
SPEAKER_04 (05:29):
You're not gonna wear like bulletproof vests,
right?
SPEAKER_00 (05:32):
But but some people do show up that way sometimes.
I'm like, all right, tax fulltactical gear.
I'm like, are we squatting theseghosts?
What are we doing?
Are we climbing down the wallsand jumping through windows on
them?
Like, what are we doing?
SPEAKER_03 (05:45):
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_00 (05:46):
He was he was right, and he was actually a he was
actually a cop and marine.
So I guess when he sees thosethings, it's like Jesus.
SPEAKER_04 (05:55):
That's what I want to know.
Like, man, what do you do?
SPEAKER_00 (05:57):
When he can't see one you can't see.
SPEAKER_01 (05:58):
So um, we have investigation.
So we do 12 locations.
We have two headquarteredlocations, meaning that we have
exclusive rights to the locationfor three years.
Okay.
One of those is a Martha'sVilla, it's a Mayus Asylum or
Emmaus Village.
And then we have ArcadiaAcademy, which is an old um
Ursuline nun academy.
So it's it's very, very haunted,but it's also a wedding wedding
(06:19):
venue.
So we do limited, um, we do fourevents a year there.
SPEAKER_04 (06:22):
Did you say wedding venue?
SPEAKER_01 (06:23):
It's a wedding venue.
It's gorgeous, it's absolutelybeautiful.
And so, yes, well, we separateall that from from them.
So that never really affectstheir weddings at all.
And we don't do it in the sameweekends.
No, we don't they don't wantthat either.
So we have select weekendsthroughout the year.
Our next big event there is uhNovember uh 15th.
So you'll purchase tickets onour website, you'll come out,
(06:44):
um, you'll meet Steve, you'llmeet the whole crew.
We've got about 30 souls intotal.
We're in um there's there's athere's an Illinois chapter,
there's a St.
Louis chapter, there's a Memphischapter, there's a Kansas City
chapter.
Um, because there's KCK.
So we have guys in Kansas andstuff too, and then we have
people in Memphis, Tennessee aswell.
So we run events in all thoselocations.
Um, and how it works is thebasically the souls teach you
(07:06):
how to ghost hunt correctly.
Um, and then we have affiliateteams.
So he's spooky dookie.
That's how we found him.
And then he has his own littleprivate team that he was doing,
and then we liked him so muchthat we're like, we really want
him to be a soul, but he gets tokeep like spooky dookie.
He still can do his things withhis friends, they can still
investigate.
He's just an affiliate, but nowhe's a soul with us, so he'll
(07:26):
run the events, he'll teach youhow to ghost hunt.
SPEAKER_04 (07:28):
So there's an actual way to ghost hunt.
Yes.
Sponky Bunky over here will getmaze out.
He thought we could go find onewhen we stayed at the Elms
Hotel.
SPEAKER_03 (07:36):
Oh, Elms is Elms, yes.
SPEAKER_04 (07:38):
He's like, let's go for one.
SPEAKER_03 (07:40):
Um down where there's supposed to be a
floating body because theywhacked them, remember?
That's right, right?
Al Capone and those guys tookthem out.
Yeah, and so I'm like down thereand I'm talking.
SPEAKER_04 (07:50):
And you know what?
Hey, I go, I don't want to bringanybody home with us.
Let's go back upstairs, okay?
SPEAKER_01 (07:55):
We absolutely love the Elms.
They do some of the best ghosttours too.
Really?
Um, yeah, you can actually buy aghost tour with your hotel room,
and they do phenomenal ghosttours in that building.
And it's got such a greathistory with Jack Dorsey and
just everything with the pooldownstairs and just an amazing
uh collection right there inExcelsior Springs, which is such
an eerie type of town inMissouri League.
(08:16):
And it's starting to come back,which is really nice.
It's starting to nicerestaurants are opening up there
with Elms.
I think Elms is trying to bringit back a little bit.
So, yeah, we we used to do theHall of Waters, which you guys
might be familiar with.
It's right outside.
It's literally you can walk toit from the Elms.
Um, they stopped doinginvestigations.
We're trying to get them to comeback next year and maybe have
the souls run it because we knowhow to run things correctly.
(08:38):
People trust us.
Um, when the people come out,they get to even if you've ghost
on it for 30 years.
I guarantee you'll learnsomething from a guy like Steve
or myself on differenttechniques.
We're always trying to add thescientific layer.
And the one thing that we areit's debunk or dishonor.
That's our thing, and that's howyou become.
That's a soul's way.
The soul's way is debunk ordishonor, which means if you
fake something, you're out.
(08:58):
Like, don't ever fake on ourteam and just don't do that.
It's not worth it.
We've got plenty of TikTokersdoing that.
Like, we really want to makethis something fun.
People, ghosts don't go homewith people.
Um, we get all that all thetime.
Because we have ways of teachingyou, so they won't.
You always have dominion overyour soul.
No one has possession of yoursoul but yourself.
Um, unless you invite thosethings into yourself, do you
(09:22):
have any problems?
SPEAKER_03 (09:23):
So, how do we talk?
Let's talk exorcist then.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (09:26):
You're talking to the right guy.
That's I was gonna say that'sall frankly.
SPEAKER_03 (09:29):
Did they invite them in?
SPEAKER_01 (09:31):
Absolutely.
So I've been on 17 deliveranceteams with the Catholic Church.
Uh so I've done 17 of them uhwith the affiliate out of the
Roman Catholic Church of St.
Michael in Miami, Florida, whichis a Roman Catholic Church.
SPEAKER_04 (09:42):
When you say someone invites them in, I mean I don't
want any of us to see it, butwhat does that mean then?
Do you realize you're not doingit, or is it by doing seances or
Ouija boards, stuff like that?
SPEAKER_01 (09:54):
You're on the right, you're on the right measure now.
So we have we have differentdevices that we use, and and
Steve can talk more to the Estesmethods and stuff like that,
where most of the questions thatwe're asking these disembodied
um individuals um is the yes orno questions.
We're not asking anything ofthem.
The problem with the seances isthat an auja board or table
(10:16):
tipping, anytime or tarot cards,you are table tipping, so we'll
have to that on the right.
So you're you're askingsomething from another realm to
help you with something.
SPEAKER_05 (10:27):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (10:27):
So just like in life, so in death, if you ask
for a favor, you need to returnone.
And so that's the problem,that's the invitation part.
If you start asking questions,if you start asking for your
future, if you start doing thesestances where you're inviting
these things into your body,into your vessel, that is when
you start getting into bigproblems.
That's when you start dealingwith the demonic, which in the
(10:47):
cases that I worked, I would saymaybe one was really eerie to
me, the rest were nervousconditions.
Um, my cousins was a priest aswell that dealt with exorcisms
with the Holy Catholic Church,which is the only church
denomination that actually canperform exorcisms.
And I've gone toe-to-toe withLutherans and non-denominational
Christians.
They just don't have the rightways to battle with it.
(11:11):
The Catholic Church invented it.
Um, we're the ones that havefought it our whole lives
through the crusades and dealingwith demonic entities and the
entire run of the CatholicChurch, which is why it always
defaults to the Catholics.
Even if the Lutherans try or allthese other types of pastors try
to do it, it always comes backthat we got to bring a priest in
here that specializes in it.
(11:32):
It's a very different walk for apriest.
You'll never ever know who thewho the exorcist is in your
church.
They are hidden by thearchdiocese.
You'll never know.
Why is it like no other priestor preacher or because it's a
sacrament.
It's it's the sacrament ofChrist.
Remember that, like after youget a little religious here, and
and you know, to any viewer, oneof the things about the souls is
(11:53):
that we're open to anybody'sreligion and we're very
accepting of everybody'sreligion and what their beliefs
in.
If they want to do seances, ifthey want to do Ouija boards,
we're totally fine with that.
You just won't do it on ourwatch.
They can't come to our locationswith that stuff, and we don't do
that stuff, we just don'tbecause of the repercussions of
other people getting in thereand not doing things correctly.
The reason why the CatholicChurch owns the rights to it is
because it's a sacrament, it'ssomething that's been handed
(12:15):
down for generations, and theyhave the most information, the
most knowledge.
So think of software, right?
There's a reason why softwaredevelopers use a certain
language, it's because there'sdocumentation.
Right?
They're not going to trust thenew software because it's brand
new.
They're going to trust thesoftware with the most
documentation.
It's the same with theexorcisms.
We have the most documentedcases, we've dealt with them
(12:37):
forever.
And the way that exorcism worksis very different than what most
people and what Hollywood triesto portray.
It's usually wrong.
The actual rite or ritual ofexorcism, which there's two,
it's 20 pages long.
That's it.
After that, did you hear that?
SPEAKER_04 (12:54):
You said that's it.
That sounds like a lot.
SPEAKER_01 (12:57):
Well, after that, when I've the average exorcism
lasts anywhere from seven tosixteen hours, but it's not
over.
It's called the residualhaunting after.
SPEAKER_04 (13:05):
So there's this there's That's why there was
exorcists one, two, three, andfour.
SPEAKER_01 (13:08):
Yeah.
Yeah, you always there's alwaysan old one and a new one.
There's always an old one and ayoung one.
Um, just in case the other onepasses.
So you always have a backuppriest.
Um, you know, exorcisms are uhthey're a very interesting
subject matter amongst a lot ofdifferent people.
I mean, a lot of people havegravitated toward clickbait.
Um, and although people have theright thing in mind of having
(13:31):
dominion over your soul andunderstanding what that means
from Christ's standpoint, itdoesn't necessarily mean that
you can battle this thing alone.
You've invited it in, but you'regonna need people to get it out.
SPEAKER_05 (13:41):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (13:41):
And it could take months, it could take years, and
that's what the movies neverportray.
People that were once possessedcan be possessed again by the
same spirit.
If it's not bound to the crossof Christ, which is why saging
and all that stuff doesn't work,because it needs to go
somewhere.
Which is why one of the biggestcontroversies that I bring to
the team is like I don't believein haunted objects or dolls
because I'm a demon ontologist.
(14:02):
I study the origin of demons.
SPEAKER_04 (14:04):
What about that doll?
Um Annabelle, and everybody andthe church burns down what she's
at, and the dye.
SPEAKER_01 (14:16):
Um it I think that there's manifestations.
I think that um we're we'rewe're now very good friends with
the team that was running withAnnabelle.
Uh we we had our controversiesin the past, but um that that
particular team, the the Nesperteam, which is Tony Sperra and
Judy Sperra, which owned therights.
Well, they sold the rights forfive years to Matt Reif.
SPEAKER_03 (14:39):
We saw that.
SPEAKER_01 (14:39):
Yeah.
So Elton bought the house or thecottage.
Um, you know, I've I'veinterviewed people that were
ex-Nesper's members.
You know, there's something tothe Annabelle doll, but I
believe what we would call anegregore or an elemental or a
crawler, which is somethingthat's manifested by ourselves.
So we're bringing in negativeenergy to it.
We're so it think about when youbring things into yourself,
(15:00):
right?
If you think negative thoughts,negative things are gonna
happen.
If you think positive thoughts,positive things are gonna
happen.
It's proven, right?
You don't want to be a negativeNancy, right?
Because your job looks at youlike a cancer.
You want to be the positiveperson that's trying to bring
positivity to people that areworking around you.
It's the same thing with theparanormal.
It's what you get what you putinto it.
And Dan always says that in thebeginning of the night.
Um, uh, he always says, What youget what you put into it.
(15:22):
So if you're talking to thesespirits, if you're trying to
understand what these spiritsneed or want, and that maybe you
can have a conversation or uhcommit to dialogue with them,
that's great.
But the one thing you shouldnever ask is, you know, make me
rich, make me make me amillionaire, make me, you know,
give me powers, uh, make me dothese things.
Therefore, what you wish for.
Right.
Right.
SPEAKER_04 (15:41):
Is that that's wishmaster, right?
Is an affirmation when you'resaying things or in your prayers
or whatever, right?
SPEAKER_03 (15:48):
Or you No affirmations are different
because you're sitting theresaying, I am wealthy, I am a
magnet.
I'm you're not bringing anybodyelse into it.
You're you're it's yourself.
You're manifesting.
SPEAKER_04 (16:00):
What about watching scary movies in your house and
opening your door to scarythings?
Is that opening doors to things?
Like I won't let I've never letmy daughters watch The Exorcist
in our house.
Like I didn't even want thatenergy in our home.
SPEAKER_02 (16:13):
But I do watch scary movies.
Um, no, I don't think it opensthe door.
I think it's strictly forentertainment purposes.
I mean, I don't I don't buy toomuch into that.
Okay.
That's just my personal beliefon that.
SPEAKER_03 (16:24):
One thing, it's a man-made movie you're watching,
it's not an act of movies.
Well, some of them are truestories, some of them are based
on true stories, sorry.
SPEAKER_02 (16:31):
And it's and and in my opinion, again, it's loosely
based on on true stories.
I mean, every every lie has abit of truth to it.
SPEAKER_03 (16:38):
So funky one the other day.
Right.
SPEAKER_04 (16:41):
So that's the one we turned off and we didn't watch
it.
It was so bad.
So, what about like when my mompassed, the light in my closet
was blinking for quite sometime.
Stopped.
My brother just passed inAugust, and my light is blinking
in my closet again, which I wasteasing.
I was like, okay, Mark, I'mgetting undressed.
(17:03):
This is creepier, my brother,um, and teasing or whatever, but
it didn't scare me, but it waskind of weird in the downstairs
light.
Yeah.
Um, and you didn't change thebulbs, right?
It and it just stopped.
Is it just something strange inmy head, or can they use light
for a moment before they crossover, or do you believe they
stay for a while?
And what's the differencebetween an angelic moment and
(17:26):
you know, something that youknow is demonic?
SPEAKER_01 (17:29):
Um, there's a lot to impact there.
No, you're fine.
There's a there's a lot toimpact there.
I mean, Steve, I think that youknow, Steve has had more
experiences than I have.
I'm very guarded, I'm veryblocked because of my belief
system.
Okay.
Um, I mean, the exorcistquestion, watching scary movies,
does that open up an invitation?
The Catholic Church would sayyes, it can be an invitation to
(17:50):
the dark.
Um, however, to Steve's point,they're man-made.
Most exorcism movies get itwrong.
The exorcist film, however, getsa lot right.
And that is what's scary aboutthat film.
SPEAKER_04 (18:05):
It gets in your head.
SPEAKER_01 (18:06):
It does get in your head.
It can manifest things, and anda lot of kids out outside of
that film, it was one of thehighest circuits of one of the
reasons why the Catholic Churchhides the Exorcist is because so
many kids and so many peoplethought they were possessed
after that movie.
SPEAKER_05 (18:21):
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_01 (18:21):
That they literally had to, they were getting
inundated.
The the the rectories weregetting inundated with phone
calls, and and then you'retrying to, you know, figure out
which one's real and what's not.
The Catholic Church wants tohelp you, but you know, there
are things that you need to lookfor as investigators into that
type of demonic force.
There's things that priests lookfor.
The exorcist will look for whenhe they're the biggest skeptic
(18:44):
in the room.
SPEAKER_04 (18:44):
Sure.
SPEAKER_01 (18:45):
Um, never forget that.
SPEAKER_04 (18:46):
It's good to know.
SPEAKER_01 (18:47):
Very, yeah.
They they are very, veryskeptical.
They're the they're they're justa they're cut differently than
most priests.
Um, they've dealt with stuffmostly in the third world.
Doesn't happen in the firstworld.
Um, and then what was the otherpoint?
SPEAKER_04 (19:01):
Yeah, that one of the other questions you had was
uh, you know, the differencebetween like me seeing my light
flickering after a loved one.
Is there time before they do youyou know, I don't know what your
belief is, but crossover thatmakes that a different type of
energy force to a demonic force?
Is that was that someone who wasbad one time, or is it just bad
energy?
SPEAKER_02 (19:23):
I mean, not that we know because your beliefs are,
your belief system and how youbelieve.
Um, you know, I mean, the theinvestigator size says, is it
faulty electric?
You know, is your is your wireloose?
Is it a bad light bulb?
I mean, could it belegitimately?
I mean, they can uh spirits areknown to interact uh by messing
with lights.
(19:43):
I mean, they they have theenergy to do that, they can draw
energy from that light um tomanipulate them.
Um it is a possibility.
Uh, and I do believe that thereare certain spirits.
Do I believe that they're alldemons?
No, but that's my personal mypersonal opinion.
SPEAKER_04 (19:58):
Say spirits, are we talking that they're the
afterlife of being here?
SPEAKER_02 (20:02):
Disembodied.
Disembodied, yes.
Okay.
So yeah, I do believe that,yeah, they can definitely
manipulate things.
If they want you to know thatthey're there watching over you,
I think it's a way that theyreach out.
Um, I had a buddy that I servedin a Marine Corps with uh that
lost his battle to PTSD.
And uh I think he reaches outquite a bit.
SPEAKER_04 (20:19):
And still so there's not like a time limit, maybe
that they're here, that theymight be here.
You know, you you want to hopethat your loved one goes
someplace else.
It's really wonderful, right?
We all want to believe thatthere's a heaven and somewhere
special for after being here.
Um, so it's it kind of it waslike comforting to know that
possibly my mom was there for awhile or my brother's there for
(20:41):
a while, but at the same time,you don't want them stuck here,
you don't want them here.
Oh, yeah.
And is that what your job doesis to to debunk or to find if
it's real.
And if it is real, is there doyou get rid of them?
Does someone get rid of them?
SPEAKER_01 (20:55):
So it um as in life, I have so many questions.
SPEAKER_04 (20:57):
No, no, no, you're like I'm like my heart's racing
right now talking about this.
SPEAKER_01 (21:01):
So as in life, so in death.
I I believe that if you believein the in the biblical text of
free will, I don't think thatchanges in death.
I I think that sometimes momsand brothers and friends they
hang around a bit just to makesure that the people that
they're leaving are okay.
And they want you to know thatthey're okay so they can
(21:21):
transition on.
Um, and I think that's a part ofthat humanity, the human element
that comes out in a lot of theghost hunting that we don't talk
about on TV and we don't talkabout in reality TV shows, is
that there is a real humanelement to the idea of
investigating the paranormal, isbecause are these people
trapped?
Are they stuck?
Do they need a way to find thelight?
(21:42):
Do they need a way to makepenance or do they need closure?
Did something really bad happento them and they want people to
know that this person is stillalive and and and I was
murdered?
I wasn't just this wasn't justyou know a random death.
I think that we have thatability within each other.
I mean, thermodynamics provethat you cannot neither create
nor destroy energy.
So it goes somewhere.
SPEAKER_03 (22:03):
That's a really uh powerful statement you just
said.
SPEAKER_01 (22:06):
Yeah, so it's it it energy is here, your energy
that's interesting.
SPEAKER_03 (22:09):
That's interesting for the non-believer who thinks
we just die and we're done.
SPEAKER_01 (22:12):
Yeah, that's the most faith-based religion is the
atheist.
To really believe that nothingis there, that takes a lot of
faith.
It takes a lot of faith.
SPEAKER_04 (22:24):
Wow.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (22:26):
Because there's there's more into the paranormal
than there is into the darkness.
I mean, but I also believe thatGod does harden people's hearts.
He does say it multiple times.
He hardens people's hearts.
So it's a pharaoh.
Yeah, that's right.
And that's right.
And the more that you believeand you buy into that, then he's
gonna give it to you.
It's the same with beinghabitual with alcoholism, with
drug addiction, the more you buyinto that.
(22:47):
But you see these beautifulstories of what so many great
people are doing.
I mean, Mark Wahlberg, andthere's people that are just
doing this stuff with Halo andtrying to get people to come
back to God, come back to thechurch.
And some of my team is they'rethey're they're believers,
they're agnostic, but they'renot all Catholics, they're not
all Christians.
But the fact that what they'redoing and and how they're
(23:08):
believing in things is in apositive way, I can't find fault
in that.
You'd be surprised how manytimes you're actually talking to
a ghost, been around a ghost,and didn't even know it was a
ghost.
SPEAKER_05 (23:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (23:17):
It happened to my mother in in uh in a we were in
Charleston, South Carolina, andwe went up to a restaurant
called Pugan's Porch becauseit's notorious for having a
haunted dog, and I'm a huge doglover, and so is my family.
So we wanted to go to therestaurant with the haunted dog.
Well, my mom walks in and she'sand the lady is like, How can I
help you, ma'am?
And she's like, Well, we have aparty of four, and she's like,
Okay.
And then the lady goes upstairs,and then my mom's Italian, and
(23:40):
she's like, My phone goes,what's she going?
What'd she want?
I don't want to go upstairs.
I don't want a room, I want atable, you know.
So she comes out, she goes out,and there's some baddie woman in
there.
And so I want my mom's fromPhilly, she's very, very
hardcore.
But um, so I walked in and I'mlike, I'm just we we just met
somebody, we're supposed to havea table, and she's like, I'm I'm
the only one working today,unless she talked to a waiter.
(24:01):
I'm like, no, she was standingright here.
My mom's like, yeah, she had ashe had a bun on her head in the
black dress.
And then the owner behind herwas like, Did she look like
this?
And they showed us a picture.
She's like, Yeah, her.
And then that's the ghost thatbasically does that.
She also appears in the mirrorsupstairs.
SPEAKER_04 (24:16):
And I'm so sorry.
So the real is that we'restudying right now, and we got
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No, you're fine.
We forgot commercials.
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So, back to paranormal.
We have with us Frankie Cambo,Cambaletti, that is, and Stephen
Drews with the Haunted SoulsParanormal Investigation.
We have been talking so muchabout I can't quit talking.
I can't wait to sit down withyou guys again.
(25:39):
What inspired you to want to doto even begin to do something
like this?
To me, it's terrifying.
To you, does it bring you anyfear ever?
And why did you get started?
Uh your mom probably goes likethis.
SPEAKER_01 (25:51):
Yeah.
My mom, my mom was one of thereasons why I'm actually into
it.
My mom was very into it, she'sstill not as much.
I mean, she's older now, butwhen she was younger and I was
younger, we loved going to thegraveyards and going ghost
hunting.
And my mom was very open to itas well.
I mean, we had a lot of friendsof the clergy in my in my house.
I even at one point wanted to bea priest.
And and uh yeah, and I'm tryingto go through the uh the
(26:14):
deaconies right now, through thearchdiocese right now to be a
deacon.
So I have to be married forthree years, but um, and I just
finished one year this nextweek.
So got one year of Mary GeneralBelt, and two more years I can
be a deacon.
So that's what I'm trying to dowith the Catholic Church.
I still want to give back and Iand stuff like that.
But for me, it was always aboutum, you know, we had a run-in
(26:35):
with a Ouija board when I was akid, and I never forgot that.
And that's how I know the stuffis real.
SPEAKER_04 (26:40):
I played with one too.
Am I okay?
It was a long time ago.
Second grade.
Am I okay?
SPEAKER_00 (26:45):
Might be a little late to act now.
SPEAKER_04 (26:48):
That's what's wrong with it.
SPEAKER_00 (26:49):
That is the most stubborn demon ever.
Right.
I was gonna say, I mean, I don'tI don't know that I'd change
anything.
That's what the demon wassaying.
SPEAKER_03 (26:57):
That demon comes out every once in a while.
SPEAKER_00 (26:59):
It's just for different children.
Yeah.
The boots are questionable, butI let her have it.
SPEAKER_01 (27:05):
Like that's like um, so we have to, yeah, and that's
the thing too.
I think that like when we hadthis experiment when I was a kid
with the Ouija board, I mean,things got very dark very fast,
and we had to bring a uh afather wren in, uh an actual
priest father came in, and and Iremember him saying, like, this
is not this is a board game.
This is you can't take this, youcan't do this.
It's not a board game.
(27:26):
Like, and when he walked intothe house, you could see his
skepticism kind of wiped off hisface because it's Florida, it's
where I grew up.
I mean, the house is 60 degrees,it's 85 outside, and he's just
looking around like something'swrong.
Like it's just something off.
And you know, we went on to losetwo dogs mysteriously over that
whole event.
(27:46):
Um, so there's something verydark about, but it also was
curious, it was also intriguingthat I wanted to explore it
more.
Um, I wasn't afraid because I'vealways had God, I've always had
him on my side.
Um, and so when you go intothose dark places, when you go
into there, I mean, you know,people, we were just at Missouri
State Penitentiary in D3, and Iwalked down there by myself five
(28:09):
times.
I I you have this to be a soul,to to represent our colors, our
team, our our cuts, it showsthat your bravery is over your
heart.
SPEAKER_04 (28:18):
So I'll never make it on your team.
SPEAKER_01 (28:20):
You have to do lonely walks.
You have to, you know, to be asoul, it's a 16-week program.
There's a whole standardoperating procedures, there's
there's the ways that we go suntversus other teams don't go
sunt.
Every soul on my team has donetheir lonely walks, which
basically means they got toinvestigate by themselves in
some of the most haunted places.
Um, and you got to earn thatcourage because it shows us that
you can go and get a personthat's freaked out, you can go
(28:42):
and get equipment that somebodyleft behind by yourself, um,
where you don't need the wholecrew to go.
And so that has always been likehow I started in it.
And I started at 17 years old.
So 12, 13 years old, that thinghappened with the Ouija board.
And then I got back into it whenI was 17 years old, and then I
was basically a soloinvestigator.
You know, back then we didn'thave phones and stuff like that.
We had to use our gut, we had touse flashlights, you know, we
(29:04):
had high eights and you know,that were you know infrared kind
of.
And that's the that's the bestpiece of equipment is your gut,
though.
Right.
And that's where I'm still at.
To this day, I uh you know,people say, Well, you bring in
equipment with you, and I got myflashlight.
I'm uh I'm good.
A body cam.
I'll always carry body cam withme, a little IR.
In case I do get something,it'll be on camera.
But I don't really get into alot of the stuff, but but we
offer it.
SPEAKER_04 (29:25):
And I think that's what happens as kids.
You watch scary movies, right?
Remember that thing you used tostare in the mirror and you'd
say this thing over and over,and apparently you're supposed
to see things.
I mean, there's crazy things.
SPEAKER_01 (29:35):
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_04 (29:37):
You don't realize what's going on.
SPEAKER_01 (29:38):
Bloody Mary.
SPEAKER_04 (29:39):
Yes, Bloody Mary, that was the one.
So I mean, all those things youdo as a kid, you just want to be
afraid and just give us a board,light as a feather.
And then you try to do thosethings where you can you know
put the fingers under.
I mean, so many stupid things,you know, opening the door
possibly to you know, to to badthings out there like that.
Are you ever afraid?
You're not afraid, you said.
Even as a kid, you weren'tafraid when that I think when
the Ouija board.
SPEAKER_01 (30:00):
Stuff was happening, it was very scary, and we were,
yes.
I I I had never in my life hadseen that many shadow people.
Like you would just run by yourface.
Like you would just be sittingon the couch and all of a sudden
you'll see.
SPEAKER_04 (30:12):
I don't think I've ever leaned this forward over
when I'm talking to say I'mliterally about to come out of
my seat.
SPEAKER_01 (30:16):
But I mean, I think that's some of the things on
camera.
Yeah, some of the things theconjuring gets right, some of
the things that Blumhouse, we'revery good friends with
Blumhouse.
I've got a very good friend thatworks there.
Some of the stuff that they getright is the shadow people.
Some of the stuff that they getright in their films.
SPEAKER_03 (30:30):
That's stuff people, somebody you like you, you think
you saw something out of thecorner of your eye.
SPEAKER_01 (30:35):
It depends on what the motive is for the shadow
person.
If if a lot of times the demonicappear black, but it's not
always evil when they're blackall in all in shadow.
It's a revealing thing.
Um, I also believe it hassomething to do with the energy,
how much energy they have.
Because some can, like thepicture you showed me, that's a
full manifestation.
(30:55):
That's the holy grail.
I mean, that's what every ghosthunter wants in their pocket is
the idea that they saw afull-bodied apparition.
In most cases, when you seepictures like that, it happens
when you're not investigating.
You guys were never those peoplewere never intending to capture
picture of a loved one.
SPEAKER_04 (31:09):
That was taking the pictures of the kids with their
presence.
SPEAKER_01 (31:11):
And that's when you the best pictures are always
taken.
SPEAKER_04 (31:14):
That was just probably only maybe a week
after.
SPEAKER_01 (31:18):
Yeah, I mean, when the Warrens captured the kid in
the Amienville house, right?
The child that had just died, itwas very fresh.
Uh the Lutz family had moved in,they had gone and done an
investigation after Lutz hasmoved out after 28 days, which
is why you get 28 days haunted,which is where all that stuff
comes from, is because of theAmmyaville, a horror in Long
Island.
So, you know, there's there's alot of history that builds.
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There's a lot of like, you know,the three o'clock witching hour.
It's actually not the witchinghour.
What is it's um it's actually uhit's 5 a.m.
Uh it's not three a.m.
SPEAKER_03 (31:49):
I don't like to get out of here.
I know I read all these thingsabout the best time to pray is
between three and five becausethat's when you're fighting the
enemy.
That's right.
The enemy is between three andfive.
That's right.
And so as you're praying, that'swhen you're gonna feel more of
the spirit, whether it's God orthe evil spirit.
That's right.
But as long God will alwaysprevail.
SPEAKER_01 (32:07):
A hundred percent.
SPEAKER_03 (32:07):
God will always prevail.
So there's where your faithcomes in, where you can't be
afraid, whether you're walkingdown a a a hallway.
We just went to uh uh um SanFrancisco.
We went to um oh my gosh, Ican't even think of it.
Alcatraz.
Alcatraz.
That was very haunting monster.
SPEAKER_02 (32:23):
Very haunting.
I would love to get out there.
SPEAKER_03 (32:25):
We went to Alcatraz.
Um, so that was fun, and therewere thousands and I mean
millions of flies.
Not thousands, millions,millions of flies everywhere.
There was hundreds on me while Iwas sitting there.
Everyone, and they're trying toblame it on some type of bird
thing.
And I'm like, right, you knowwhat?
I remember anime amenable whore,there was flies everywhere too.
I go, I'm thinking it's just theevilness that's in this place.
(32:47):
It's very true.
SPEAKER_04 (32:48):
And it could have felt like being there.
In fact, I'd never I don't wantto go back.
SPEAKER_03 (32:51):
Pestilence.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (32:53):
Okay.
Oh, yes.
Okay.
What about the um I have friendsthat you know that had like
angel cards where you say aprayer and you look at the angel
cards and it it's kind oftelling you it'll it'll it's
almost crazy how to pop up thecard that's kind of going on in
your life.
Is that considered opening yoursoul as well?
SPEAKER_01 (33:14):
So angels are a very controversial subject.
Okay.
Um, especially when you'retalking to somebody like me
who's an ontologist.
Angels do not interfere withman's work.
It is very clear in the Biblemultiple times.
Uh, most of the angels that youread of are not even in the
non-denominational Bible,they're in the our book.
So the Catholics have more booksthan non-denominational
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Christians.
Non-denominational Christianshover right around 66 books.
The Catholic Bible, the actualcanon law, hovers right around
74, 76.
You can get two different ones.
Um, most of the angels in thatare from the book of Tobit and
the Book of Enoch.
So both of those have been nowEnoch's been removed even from
the Catholic religion.
Uh, and there's a reason forthat.
SPEAKER_05 (33:56):
How do you remove a book?
SPEAKER_01 (33:57):
Yeah, so they removed it because of the what
it what Enoch was able to giveaway.
The reason why most ontologistsand people that study Semitic
languages believe that Enoch wasan actual book in the Bible at
one point is because it wasfound in the Dead Sea Scrolls,
verbatim.
Um the reason why it's removedis because it gives too much
away of the of the kingdom, andthey didn't want people to go
(34:19):
down the wrong paths.
The problem with angels is thatif angels appeared to man, you
you get into a bad scenariowhere you have people praying to
those types of things.
SPEAKER_05 (34:29):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (34:29):
Angels know this.
This is how they fell, isbecause they were guardians.
They're in Enoch, they'reconsidered the guardians.
They were angels, and they fellto the love and the prettiness
and the beauty of women.
And so with them, they made itwith the children of men, and
they had the Nepha.
SPEAKER_03 (34:46):
Back in Noah's day, correct.
SPEAKER_01 (34:48):
So Enoch is Noah's grandfather.
Um, so he was a very holy man aswell.
A lot of people don't know thelineage there.
When you talk about angels,angels do not work for anyone
but God.
However, in Psalm 82, it isclear that you have dominion
over angels.
SPEAKER_03 (35:05):
We are greater than angels.
SPEAKER_01 (35:07):
Correct.
And some angels didn't likethat.
And that's why you had to splitamongst the tribe.
They are still part of thedivine realm.
Even demons are still part ofthe divine realm, and they still
have Erepentis, which means thatthey can move wherever they
want, they can go wherever theywant, they can be wherever they
want.
The difference between angelsand the Elohim, which would be
Yahweh God, is that they canneither destroy God, um, they
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can't, they can't fight God,right?
But they and they're notomniscient, which means they
can't be in all places at alltimes, right?
It's just when you call uponthem, this is where the
invitation comes from.
But it's the same with angels.
Some people believe in the 72lesser keys of Solomon, which
basically believe that this ideathat somehow Solomon could
control angels and demons, whichis why he lived with a thousand
(35:50):
years and built empires.
Is there truth to that?
Well, you if you look at theBible as a supernatural book,
then yes, there could be truthto that.
Uh Dr.
Michael Hauser, right, a lyserwrote a lot about this before
his death in 2023 in a bookcalled Angels, but he's very
clear on what angels represent,right?
There's Raphael, there'sMichael, which is the most I
(36:13):
mean, this guy can blow awayearth with a with a with a
whisper.
I mean, they know, and there'sthe messenger, Gabriel, and
there's Raphim, which not a lotof people talk about because
he's in Tobit.
They're destructors.
They do God's will.
And they will never appear toanyone.
Angels do not appear to man.
They've made that promise sincethe fall.
They do not.
You cannot pray.
SPEAKER_03 (36:34):
What about the by when the book of the Bible where
it tells us we have beenentertained by angels?
SPEAKER_01 (36:38):
So it's an interesting, it's an interesting
uh dialect, and I've alwaystried to get to the the bottom
of that Semitic text and whatthey were meaning by that.
The original Bible is actuallywritten in Greek.
It's the it's the it's theancient Greek, the cohen.
And so when you when you read itthere, it it doesn't translate
that way.
Um, so I believe what they meanis that like the one thing that
(36:59):
I would tell people that withangel cards is the manifestation
of artists, right?
These people make these angelslook beautiful.
Angels are not beautiful.
In every part in the Bible whereyou have people that have faced
a demon, it's the same thing.
The angel says the same exactthing.
They say, be not afraid.
(37:20):
Because they know how they wouldlook to human eyes.
We don't have the persect, wedon't have the precepts in our
eyeballs, the cones in our eyesto see as many colors are there.
We don't have the force, nothingto see what actually is in there
beyond the divine realm.
That's why the apostles didn'trecognize Jesus.
A hundred percent.
Yeah, yes, because he was in adivine form, right?
That's why you have doubtingThomas.
(37:40):
So when you read the book as asupernatural book, then the
Bible starts to make sensebecause everything starts to add
up.
In the case of angels, angels donot make their presence known to
anyone.
It's not that it's a gimmick,it's that people are misled.
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (37:55):
So are those ghosts that we're entertained by
sometimes?
Because my mom, when my fatherpassed away, my mom was sitting
in a car.
It was like a couple weeks afterhe passed away, and out of
nowhere, this man came up andsaid she was upset.
And out of nowhere, sitting inher car, this man comes up,
gives her a rose, sayseverything's gonna be all right.
She turned around and he wasgone.
SPEAKER_01 (38:13):
So that could have been an angel, right?
Because God sends angels, He Hesends messengers, He He does
those things, right?
There are seven arts.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (38:23):
She's got a hot line to God.
She's that five people.
SPEAKER_01 (38:26):
Yeah, and sometimes you do have that beautiful, and
the non-denominationalChristians do a great job of
having that built-in personalrelationship with Christ.
My child, my own daughter, wasafraid to tell me that she was
gonna be baptized.
So her mother called me andsaid, Hey, Sienna's been wanting
to tell you this for a while,and like it's it's just really
hard for her.
I'm like, why?
And I'm like, Well, you knowwhat?
(38:47):
Let my daughter tell me.
And she told me, she's like,Dad, um, I want to be baptized
with my friends.
And I'm like, that's awesome.
When is it?
And she's like, You're not mad?
I'm like, no, you could havetold me you're gonna be a
Wiccan.
Then we would have had someproblems, you know.
She was, but she chose the pathof non-denating Christian, which
(39:08):
they do a great job at music,they do a great job at healing,
they do a great job atprofessing and love and proverb.
And a lot of people know a lotof people that are in the
non-denominational realm, theyknow their Bible more than
Catholics do.
Um, don't be dependent upon theword, right?
Like that's what one of thethings about like the Catholic
religion, you know, we we readout of a mesolette, you know,
but you're always encouraged toread the Bible.
(39:29):
But it's always it's always agood thing to have somebody that
knows the knowledge of the Biblebecause because the Bible in and
of itself can mislead people,right?
That's how we got the Mormons.
SPEAKER_03 (39:38):
So it's like we have we have a lot of and not going
back and reading the originaltext and very important, also
taking things out of context.
So many times religiously takethings out of context, and it's
like they're not really lookingat why this verse was written
and who it was going to and whoit was talked to at the time
that it was written.
SPEAKER_01 (39:57):
Yeah, and that's how you get that's how you get
cults.
Yeah, right.
You have that's how you get, youknow, people just misinterpret
it.
They don't the ontology part ofthe Bible is is the most
important part, and for me it'sthe most fun part to look at the
Semitic text and look at like,did he mean it that way?
Is that is that what he meant bythat?
Because, you know, you couldthere's another story here, but
you're probably gonna have towrap it up.
Yeah, talk everywhere.
SPEAKER_04 (40:19):
When it comes to mediums, people that speak to
loved ones or think that theyare, uh, and they answer with
something that, you know, I knowthere's a lot of people out
there that's been found to befalse, but there's some that
seem to hit right on the line.
Right.
Um and again, uh they speak intothe energy force of that loved
one, or is it a different energythat knows the answer?
I mean, those are all scarythings that you probably
(40:40):
shouldn't mess with.
Is that right?
SPEAKER_01 (40:42):
Uh mediums, I mean, like I said, I I'm one of the
religious ones in the team.
There's no necromancers, thereare very, very real mediums.
There are people that cancommunicate with the dead.
SPEAKER_04 (40:52):
The brain has the ability, it's moreowing it.
They're open to it.
SPEAKER_01 (40:56):
The team tells us not to be right, be engaged with
mediums.
Be engaged and be open to thescience.
SPEAKER_04 (41:02):
I've done that before, you know, and they were
right on.
Some of the things they saidwere very, very scary that they
were sawing.
And I think it's a good thing.
SPEAKER_01 (41:08):
Once again, you've you've called that.
You've called that to yourself,which means, and that's what we
look for in exorcism.
The do they have the known?
The known is the most deadliestleg of the exorcism.
That's what they look like inthe child.
And what the known is, is thatif you bring in a 68-year-old
priest that's been practicingand has been an exorcist for 30
years, and there's asix-year-old there that is
basically possessed by a demonthat's been around for 30,000
(41:30):
years, and he looks at thepriest and says, I know you.
We've met before.
You didn't bind me as much asyou thought you bound me.
Isn't that right, Father Paul?
Or should I call you Michael?
And that was the one I was in inHaiti.
SPEAKER_04 (41:43):
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_01 (41:43):
And this kid did not speak English.
He was Haitian, he spoke Creole.
Kid spoke perfect English to thepriests.
SPEAKER_04 (41:48):
That's not terrifying to you.
That doesn't horrify.
SPEAKER_00 (41:51):
It was like, all right, well, if this ain't a
set, right.
This might be real, but let's uhlet's wrap this up.
Let's get this guy to go.
He's a six-year-old speakingEnglish right now.
SPEAKER_01 (42:04):
And you're not, I'm just a holder.
I'm not supposed to even look atthe thing, you know, because you
can make eye contact.
Right.
It it was very creepy.
SPEAKER_04 (42:11):
Because I have up until that point I had done like
15 and I was like, yeah, this ismy head is super heavy right
now, like listening to all thequestions, you know, the things
coming in in the mind.
And you know, like when you'resitting there and a song will
come through your mind that youhaven't heard in 30 years, or
maybe, and you know it word forword, and you're like, what the
you feel like who's saying wheredid that come from?
It doesn't even make sense thatit came through.
SPEAKER_01 (42:32):
I do want to put a bow, uh close a loop though.
Mediums, uh, there's a beautifulmedium up in Hannibal named
Brittany Buckwalter.
She is in the light, she doesnot do anything dark, she
doesn't ask anything of it.
It's a gift that she has.
She always, and there's a lot ofmediums that play in the light.
They don't play in the dark.
It's okay because it's a giftthat God had given them, right?
(42:53):
It's it's it's it's it's forbait, it's for witnessing.
So there, I mean, some people'stestimony is that it's insight,
it's clairvoyance.
I mean, it could be somethingvery good, but in most cases,
what she's dealing with ishelping people heal.
SPEAKER_05 (43:05):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (43:06):
And I think that that's okay, right?
Grieving and closure and thosetypes of things are okay.
Knowing that the person on theother side that passed is okay
makes us feel a lot better.
And sometimes those people canintercede and they can do the
things.
Yeah, I personally don't do itand won't do it because of my
religion, but it doesn't meanthat it's not true.
I think there's a lot of peopletrying to make money off
(43:27):
everything.
I mean, the biggest thing isTikTok, man, with these fake,
you know, ghost hunters.
SPEAKER_04 (43:32):
Oh, I bet.
Now we gotta know what tobelieve.
SPEAKER_01 (43:36):
Yeah, I don't know what's terrifying.
SPEAKER_04 (43:37):
So we've got a minute here.
I need so first of all, you needto let everybody know again,
remind them who you are, howthey can get a hold of you, and
what it is that you do.
SPEAKER_01 (43:48):
Uh hauntedsouls uh.com, that's souls with a Z.
It has all our investigations upthere.
Um, there are two numbers on thesite.
The 636 number goes directly toDan.
So if you need a privateinvestigation, if something is
going on in your house, we keepit private.
Your name is never released.
The files that we have go toyou, and we don't talk about it
publicly.
It does not go on our podcast.
It is a private investigation.
(44:09):
Uh, we did one last year with avery, very, very wealthy family
in St.
Louis, and they were having somevery crazy stuff happening into
one of their houses, and we wereable to clear that and and get
that out of there and find outwhat was going on, and it was
paranormal.
SPEAKER_04 (44:23):
You actually knew what was going on and know how
to get rid of it.
SPEAKER_01 (44:26):
Yes.
SPEAKER_04 (44:27):
And and being intuitive, is that an opening
when you feel like you can feeland see things more than other
people?
SPEAKER_01 (44:34):
Sure.
Gosh, that's when you get tohang out with guys like Steve,
they'll teach you how to go signand we have a blast.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (44:40):
I I I think I would be so terrified.
Like my head is seriously heavyright now, taking this all in.
I I believe it 100%.
I I there's no doubt in my mindwhat you do and what happens.
SPEAKER_02 (44:50):
It's okay to be nervous, it's human nature.
Yeah, because you just you'regoing in the downdo.
But when you have fun with it,make light, you know, things.
And uh a lot of times that'swhen we get the best responses
from things.
SPEAKER_04 (45:00):
I just gotta make sure when I'm asking for money
in my life, that's throughJesus.
Don't want to ask the wrongperson.
SPEAKER_01 (45:09):
If you put to the Father, but if you exactly, and
if you put the kingdom first,then God will grant you the
things that you wish.
That's biblical.
And so agree, yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (45:18):
Uh Frankie Campbell, Campbelletti, and Stephen Drews,
uh paranormal experts.
Gosh, you're fascinating to talkto.
I wish we I can't wait to dothis again, actually.
I can't wait to do it again andlearn more and hear more what
you have to say.
But again, let everybody knowhow to get a hold of you again.
SPEAKER_01 (45:34):
HauntedSouls.com, souls with a Z, uh, come out to
one of our investigation sites.
Every place we have is basicallynon-demonic.
We I go through it personally, Icheck all the facilities first.
There are places we do notinvestigate, there are places
that we do not hold eventsbecause of that.
One of those is the Sally House.
My team and team members are notto ever ghost hunt there.
And if they do, they're to seeme before they come to one of my
(45:56):
events.
SPEAKER_04 (45:57):
Is that because you're bringing things to start
happening?
And that's very and that'sdemonic.
SPEAKER_01 (46:02):
The Sally House is demonic.
That's a very bad energy there.
There's nothing good to be foundin that house.
I know I know what happened toSally and Tony, uh, to Debbie
and Tony.
They're very good friends ofmine, and they have told me,
Frankie, do not go in thathouse.
SPEAKER_04 (46:15):
And you're not looking to bring things up.
And but if someone needs yourhelp, you will go there.
SPEAKER_01 (46:19):
We will.
We absolutely will.
We'll bring in the right peopletoo.
If we need priests, we'll bringpriests.
If we just need sage, we canbring those people too.
SPEAKER_04 (46:26):
Haunted Souls with a Z.
Haunted Souls, paranormalinvestigations.
Oh my gosh, Frankie and Steve,this was amazing.
Thank you so much for spendingtime with us.
I and again, I can't wait to sitdown and talk with you guys
more.
I it's just so you know, it'sit's it's it's the unknown.
Right.
SPEAKER_05 (46:43):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (46:43):
And and we want to know, you know, it's the
unknown.
So thank you for spending timewith us.
We appreciate it.
I'm so glad we did a story onyou as well.
We're gonna have to do it again.
SPEAKER_00 (46:51):
Absolutely.
I love talking to you guys.
Cheers.
SPEAKER_04 (46:54):
Awesome.
All right, here we go.
We're taking it out now.
The In Your City show at the LouInformation Station.
We hope you have a beautifulevening.
Do not open your soul to anyone,put the Ouija boards in the
trash and uh call it a day.
So until our next show.
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