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August 19, 2025 59 mins

What if the most powerful tool for change in theater isn’t performance, but conversation?

I sit down with my dad, retired firefighter Fred Cowan, for a candid family conversation about race, theater, equity, and what it takes to build genuine inclusion. From fighting fires in public service to calling out tokenism in the arts, he shares stories of resilience, honesty, and the power of difficult conversations.

This one’s heartfelt and full of wisdom.

Enjoy the episode, friends!

Check out the full show notes and other resources at 

https://www.inclusivestages.com/post/family-meeting-race-theater-and-fighting-fires-onstage-and-off

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Thanks to our music composer, Zachary McConnell, and our producer, Leah Bryant.


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